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You need Indeed. Hey everybody, it's Bart Winkler. This is Into the Winklerverse, at least the podcast feed.

You notice I didn't go with the good morning everybody because it's not a traditional episode. We are renting the space out for free 99 for Rami and Drew. I was able to jump on their podcast so maybe you've already heard it elsewhere. I thought Rami's tweet was great.

It gave you the link to Spotify and then for Apple it just said like beats me or still figuring it out or I don't know. So they're getting up and running. Rami Makhloff, of course, longtime friend, longtime friend of show also, longtime good old buddy, Drew Flaggy. Rami's longtime friend got to meet Drew a few times during the Bucks run and good to be on with them. So I'm the guest on their episode. This is Rami and Drew's episode.

If you enjoy it, please reach out and find ways to continue to listen to them as they continue to post more episodes. With this show being a not daily anymore sad tear, Rami is going to be a good outlet for some of the other stuff that you're looking for. So check out Rami and Drew and here is their first episode.

Welcome in to episode one of Rami and Drew. I'm Rami Makhloff. You may know me from previous sports radio escapades.

This is my cohost, Drew Flaggy, Flello. God damn it. I can clip off the beginning. That I know how to do.

I just don't know how to clip stuff from the front and back. Just roll with it. Barton's backstage and he saw all of that. That is laughing. All right, here we go. Welcome in to the episode one of Rami and Drew. I'm Rami Makhloff. You may know me from previous sports radio escapades. This is my cohost, Drew Flaggy, fellow Milwaukee comedian, where we get together and talk about sports and other things. Drew, I'm excited about this. Are you ready for a new adventure, buddy?

I'm ready for take three of this. Can you not watch the game over your laptop or over your phone or whatever you're recording from? Can you, can you not do that for at least the first episode? Can you just focus on the show and focus on our first guest? You got to focus on our first guest. He's, he's a national superstar from CBS sports radio.

You can hear him late nights and follow him at Bart Winkler show. It's my absolute pleasure and honor to welcome in the one and only Bart Winkler. Bart, thank you for joining us and thank you for putting up with all the bullshit that preceded this in terms of the technical difficulties and our first two takes. Well, it's my pleasure to be here. Is it really though? At this point, is it really?

No, I've recorded, I've recorded like with college kids that were more. But we're like, it's the first one. And my internet just went out. Like I'm not the most technologically advanced and I'm more than happy to take the roasting for that. But my internet just completely went out as I tried to introduce Bart on our first day. Well, that's something that I've needed to do in podcasting is hard.

You got to hard wire it. You got to, you got to put it, you got to put it right in. Okay. All right. See, we're here to learn. Bart, we're here. That's a failure that I've had on my own.

And I am, uh, unbothered by all your shenanigans because I'm having a very, uh, financially rewarding nights. I had a, uh, I had a points rebounds assist prop on Nick Batum. No, no, you don't get to do this. And they both hit along with my Embiid Jokic one.

You got to do PRA. Yeah, no, I do. Draft Kings got a new pick six I'm doing.

I did. I do underdog and I took Jokic on the triple double and I took the points rebounds assists on Embiid. Embiid hit. I bet on Aaron Gordon. Rami said that I have a problem. Well, yeah, you have a problem because you're betting on guys like Aaron Gordon and on Packers kickers. Who bets on kick Bart problems are issues that are in need of solutions. Do you feel like you're gambling is in need of a solution or is it something that you enjoy doing? It's one 800 gambler. Rami froze again.

Rami looks like he's winding up to sneeze. I'm about five minutes away from telling her on me to come over to my house. I'll just edit it. It was fine all day. I've literally been sitting on my computer all day and had no, of course now it fucking starts up. I will hardwire late, like Bart told me.

And that's, that's an experienced podcaster sharing wisdom with me, but what I was about to say before my internet come out, maybe out or went out, maybe I'll edit this. Maybe I won't, but I don't want this to turn into like a long promo for draft gangs or underdog or like throw anybody under the bus. How's this shit legal?

I thought gambling wasn't legal in Wisconsin and like y'all are just betting unders. How's this, how, how is it, how is this allowed? Is it, did I just get you guys in trouble?

Should we start the recording over again? No, just, uh, I think the rule is forget about it. Like that's it.

It, the mob runs it. But there's a difference. We're not, we're not using like there's betting services and then there's like fantasy contesting. Yeah. And so there's a lot of sites where Drew and I cannot go to, to put a bet in for over under, but we can play through fantasy contesting if they will score more than or less than, yeah, which are over and unders. That's like, that's a classic bet.

You can go to Vegas and they got a whole board full of over and under is the size of my house and you can go to, get a fucking stack of pull tabs. It's the same thing. I'm not saying I got it. I don't care. I don't care.

I want it. I think it should be legal, even though I don't, I don't partake. I'm just, I'm curious as to how that's allowed and called fantasy when it's the same, it's the same betting that's been going on as long as there's been betting.

Am I wrong? Now you talked about it. Like it's prostitution. I don't do it myself, but I was, I was thinking it sounded like people talking about marijuana, but I guess, uh, we, all our minds go wherever our minds go part, how is it being a national radio host?

How's that treating you, buddy? The hours are very different from what you're used to. Well, my hour, my, my hours are nighttime hours now, but the process of doing it, I think is it's like, it's, it's very different. It is very different than like doing Milwaukee. And when you're like invested into who the 26 guy is on the brewers and stuff like that. And now I might like my whole goal in 2024 is to not ever have to bring up baseball. And I think Really? Baseball sucks to talk about.

It's no fun. Um, if you're not like podcast is going to be, I don't know. If you're not breaking down the minutia of the day, it's not once you get like you, if you're going to talk about baseball, you have to fully get into it. You have to fully get in like doing a show every day, the pregame, the post game, you know, it's got, if you do it every day and you're fully into it, there's an engaged audience for that. But if you're just, you can't just be like, you can do that with the NFL. You can just look around and say like Cowboys coaching search or NBA can be like, Oh, what do you think of this trade? Like you can, you can dabble into something with baseball. You gotta like go all, there's not a lot of topics other than I think just in doing the fill in work for the last year, the main baseball topics I talked about were, do we like the new rules? Why does the playoffs suck? Shohei Ohtani traded Shohei Ohtani?

Where's he going to sign? That's pretty much all that you can get into. You're not going to go like even, even on some of these nights, I'm really excited for some of these nights to watch these kinds of basketball games. And if it's the nuggets and the Clippers, you can get 15 minutes out of that to a national audience and talk about it. Cause it just resonates. If you watch like a Dodgers Astros game and then try to do 15 minutes on the net, like no one, no one cares.

Cause you don't even give a shit like that's the thing. So I think, and one of the things I talked about was the big four in American sports used to be football, baseball, NBA, NHL, but now I think it is NFL college football the NBA. And then I lumped events into another thing like the Olympics, which Rami hates or the world cup or the masters or, you know, indie 500. Like that's, that's kind of where we're at as a culture. And so, because I never watch hockey and because I hate baseball more with every passing day, this national job is a perfect fit for me. What's that? Is that just being a Brewers fan made you hate baseball?

Cause my girlfriend and I started dating last year and she got a whole summer of me being like, fuck this and just not caring. And then Brandon Woodruff got after we ran into him at an Ian's pizza. And then it was smoky at the bandits. It was awesome. And he was like, I'm gonna eat these myself.

And then he, his shoulder died. And then I was like, well, all right, don't got to turn that on in October. Yeah. It's just the, the whole, like the whole you're in it and that's the thing you're in it for 162 games. And you don't like, if you're a baseball fan, you're not just watching four games a week. And if you are because of work or other events, you're still like, how are the Brewers doing? You know, you're still like up to date and then they make the playoffs and they're done within 36 hours.

Like, well, the, the, the amount of time that you prep for something. It's like, if you train your whole life to climb Mount Everest and then you get a flat tire on the way to the place and then someone like shoots you in the neck, it's like, you never got to do what you wanted the fuck with the whole process. And I had to park like way past Kelly's bleachers. I sprinted to the stadium to watch us blow that lead. Like I was so pissed off and Gary was like, ah, this is awesome.

It's the playoffs. And I'm like, we're going to be done tomorrow. It's, I was just sad the whole time and sweaty. I was about to disagree with you and I was, and I was about to be disappointed in you because I really am. I don't just say this because you're on the show or whatever.

I've told you this in private. I'm, I'm really happy that you got this job and I'm proud of you, but I'm also glad that there's somebody on national radio doing national media. That isn't just screaming hot takes that, that is going to be funny is going to be smart and is going to have nuanced takes.

And, and it's going to be different from what we're used to on national radio. And I was about to be mad at you for being like all the rest in not talking about baseball, but you make a good case in terms of hosting a national radio show. It does seem like you either gotta be all in and breaking it all down, like every day with the same team and following them.

Or you're kind of just in for the big stories. Like if there's a fight, if somebody charges the mound or there's a fight or remember a few years ago when they're checking everybody's belt and everybody's socks and shoes to see if they, if they had, had something stick P on there, that's, that's when it really lends itself to a national conversation. I love baseball, but you make a good case that it's kind of, it's kind of regionalized and nichey and, and nerdy. And, and it's hard to make that a national thing, which I kind of hate to say, but I agree with you. Well, I don't, I don't think baseball is a regional sport, but the way you root for baseball is a hyper local. It's hyper local. It's like, cause if you're watching your team, like let's say you watch, um, the Packers.

Okay. So you watch them and then there's five other windows of football, which is once a week, it's very digestible. Even the NBA, if you watch the bucks, they're on a couple of times and there's plenty of other weeks.

And then it gets to be a point where there's not much else going on. Turn on a basketball game, uh, with baseball, they're on every day. So you're going to watch that game and then you're going to watch another game and then you're going to do it again that you're already committing five, six, seven days. You're, you're like, you're committing time to the sport and then when else are you going to watch it? Uh, so maybe they do a bit like, I think there should be a day game on every day.

Let's figure it out a way. It's good for kids. It's good for gamblers.

Um, it just like the people will be interested and take advantage of that. The Sunday night baseball stuff. I mean that that's a start, but it's the same five teams all the time.

And that's another take that I've kind of really been proud of is with the NFL. It's like think of the worst Superbowl match up possible right now. Like the worst Superbowl, but we'll get Houston in Tampa. Okay. Oh, but they would get 110 million people.

Yeah. People will celebrate it. And we would find the great storylines because it wouldn't be Houston versus Tampa. It would be the Buccaneers versus the Texans. And in the NFL, we all like look at every team is one 32nd. But in baseball, it's like, Oh, I'm not watching Houston, Tampa. They, it needs to be the LA Texans and the Chicago bucket.

Why? Because the people that cover the sport, like you never see rich eyes and going, Oh mother, we got to go to green Bay. There's nothing to do there.

We got to go to green Bay to watch a game. It's like they cherish, they don't, they're not focused. Fans aren't focused.

The media is not focused on the market size. And so that's another thing. Like if we're going to rant about baseball, I could go on forever because I think baseball is trying to make all these changes for what? Like there should be a sport. That's a little slower. There should be a sport that doesn't have to be tick tock microwaved, you know, drunk uncle getting in there, but there, there should be something where you can just go and relax and not have to look at nine different fucking clocks and see what's going on. Oh yeah. I was totally against the whole speeding up everything.

And I brought up to my dad, actually. I'm like, you think any of these pictures are going to have shoulder injuries and shit like that because they're not letting their bodies just rest for a couple seconds. And then fuck me, that goddamn doctor comes out and says, yeah, Brandon Woodruff shoulder injury comes from the, like the pitch clock thing. He's like, they're seeing more and more guys with these strains and it's like Manfred wants to have these rule changes to speed this shit up. So what?

So you buy a Christian Yelich Fortnite skin or something? Fuck them. I don't care. I don't care what the son and XQC have to say about baseball.

They're not American. I don't give a fuck. I don't care what I have to say about the Red Sox.

It doesn't matter. So it's like people who like baseball. The problem is the people that are celebrating the shorter games are the writers who hate their jobs anyway and get to go home 45 minutes earlier. And then we're the ones reading that and we're like, oh, games are shorter.

That is better. Meanwhile, have you seen one like person that's, have you seen like anyone come out and be like, you know, I'm a 17 year old kid and I didn't like this three hour game, but now that it's two hours and 45 minutes, this is the game for me. No, I've said that. I said that for a long time leading up to the rule changes. But I mean, there was, there was a bump in ratings and attendance last year for major league baseball. I don't know.

Cause I agree with you, Bart. If you're going to watch a baseball game for two and a half hours, you'll watch a baseball game for three hours. Like what's the other 30 minutes and every sport.

Now when you throw in commercials and everything, an NFL game is three hours and NBA game is two and a half hours. I don't think it was the length of the game that they were trying to shorten. I think it's, they want more perpetual action happening. They don't want the lulls because people aren't being entertained when a pitcher is taking 38 seconds in between a pitch or there are six mound visits and an inning. You know what I mean? I don't, I don't know if it's so much about the time and fitting it all into a shorter timeframe as much as it is more action constantly happening.

And that's why you saw like the change in the size of the basis. They want more base runners, more stolen basis, more hit and runs. They just want more action. I think that's more what they're going for with the rules. And honestly, I'm kind of for that. I, I pushed back on some of these rules and then I saw with the, the effect that they had on the game and I'm here for it. I'm not necessarily, I don't necessarily need a shorter game, but a faster, more athletic, more faster moving game that, that I'm here for.

And, uh, and, and I kind of support it. Look, there, there were, there were times here that like when Yohani Gallardo was a goddamn snow storm out there, like nothing moved. When Gallardo was out there, that guy was captain Dick around out on the mountain. Like you could literally get up within a batter. You could go up, take a piss and then get back in line for a beer and come back.

And he's at a two, two count. Like it was, it was, you didn't miss a lot either. It's like not a lot was happening, but you weren't missing it. You know, it was good.

Yohani Gallardo was like a museum exhibit. Okay. And sometimes I just want to admire the art. Yeah. Yeah. Now you go get a drink and a hot dog and it's like three innings have passed.

Yeah. I went to a game in San Francisco last year, beautiful ballpark by the way. And, uh, these people, these people sat down behind us and, and they were like, we usually show up like half an hour late and it's the first or second inning. And so, and this game was flying, like it was moving fast, even for the new pace of the game. They're like, it's already the fourth or fifth inning.

And we just, we just got here. And so I think it, it does change like your habits around watching the game and going to a game and everything else. But aren't we all in favor of like a faster moving, more action packed, more athletic version of baseball. I don't really give a shit how long it takes, but don't we all want that? No, because Miami heat fans show up the exact same way as San Francisco giants fans do.

It's like they show up and they're like, wow, an entire half of basketball has gone by. That's fair. I guess we shouldn't be coddling fans who, who want to show up late to games.

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Need to hire you need indeed. Uh, Bart, I did want to, we want to get into the bucks with you. That's the main reason that we got you here to talk about that basketball team. I wasn't expecting a baseball conversation, but I enjoyed it there off the top. There's been a surprising turn with Bart Winkler and I don't know if it's just getting older.

I don't know if it's being a father and perspective. I saw you came around on Matt LaFleur, which was a very reasonable and objective thing to do. And as the season with the bucks had kind of a rocky start, you were on the Bart Winkler podcast, one of the voices of reason and saying, everybody chill out. We don't need to fire Adrian Griffin 10 or 15 games into this season.

I I'm, I'm, I'm kind of pleased with this change in Bart Winkler because you were a little bit more reactionary when, when I knew you at a younger age. Well, maybe, but I don't think I've ever called for a coach to be fired one 10th away. Maybe not. Yeah. Yeah.

Maybe not that cool. Never went quite there. I just, I, you know, and again, bucks fans and maybe this is all fans. Maybe this is the Tic Tac microwave social media generation we're in, but it's like every game, every game, every game that they have played is a discussion about Adrian Griffin, every game, Damian Lillard hits a game winner.

I go on the phone. I see Dave bailed out grift tonight. Dame bailed out grift.

That that's your reaction. Damian, the same way you freaked out when you couldn't imagine Damian Lillard was going to be paired with the honest at a Kumpel and thinking of when the first Dame time was going to hit and how joyous that would be when he just, you know, stone face did the watch and you were going to be so happy and that happened and you let yourself have a few fleeting seconds before you then looked at the coach and thought that fuck that's, that's what we're doing. This is what we wanted argument that was going on after that Sacramento game. It was Lopez's reaction to Dame shooting that ball on that give and go like Brook Lopez put his hands on his head like in disbelief and people were like this fucking washed up 35 year old thought he was taking the game when he shot. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? There wasn't one player on that team that was like, Oh yeah, yeah.

Dave should have gave it to me. That person is maybe the NASA's thought that, but give him a pass. Well, they've got, they've got expectations, right? I'm not, I'm not, I'm not adverse to thinking that they, they have Yanis at a Kupo, they have Damian Lillard, they have Chris Middleton, they, you know, and you have a coach that a coach that came in before this Dame trade. So they thought about shaking it up, they shook it up, but then they had a way to shake it up again. And so maybe, maybe you shouldn't to fire bud.

Who knows? I still think the way that like something had to change and something did change. It's just, they never would have like, you don't not fire bud for the 1% chance you might trade for Dame. And then, and then, you know, you just, this is how it worked out.

This is how it played out. And so, I mean, give the guy a year, but even if you don't give them that long, give the guy more than a month. I mean, before we, and I think it was a lot of people trying to plant their flag and say, this is, this is what we think. We're the first ones to think it.

And they did it earlier than ever. And I think there's some weird like thing. And I regular season NBA is hard. And I've, I've talked about this a lot, but it's like, it is important, but we do react a little too strongly. We do get too into it.

We should get into it. It's fun, but we're at this weird place now where I think a lot of bucks fans, and then also I'll tell you from, from a national perspective, some of these like podcasts, it's like the bucks, the bucks somehow need to win every game by 25 points. Otherwise they're going to get shit on by the national media and they're going to get shit on by their own fans. Winning's not good enough.

Winning by a few points. Isn't good enough. Winning on game winners certainly isn't good enough. They ha I don't understand that. And if they get to the playoffs and then it doesn't work fine, you make a change.

I just, I don't understand like the need for, I don't know. And I'm dumb enough. I think this buck's team has constructed can win the whole thing. I still think there might be a trade or two or whatever, but they have so much, they got Dame and Giannis and Middleton and Brooke and not everybody's been playing great. And some of these guys, you know, Dame's going through stuff, whatever. They're still figuring it out. They got a first year head coach.

It's still, it's still relatively early and their second place in the league and putting up 130 points a game. My excitement and optimism for this buck's team has not wavered or faltered even a little bit through anything, through anything that I've seen. I have not, I've not been to Milwaukee Bucks nation.

You haven't seen it. Those people are out of fucking control. Like being the face Facebook, the Facebook, you mean? Yeah, no, I'm not in that being like, you see this crazy shit because after every game people freak out and like that, that was where the Brook Lopez thing was circulating. And then like somebody even deleted a comment that I made on their posts. Cause they said bud didn't or not, but, uh, Adrian Griffin didn't adjust at the end of that Sacramento game. And I brought up that Pat Connington had to inbound that ball. They stuck Sabonis on him so he couldn't see around Sabonis. They glued the Aaron Fox and Malik monk to Damien Lillard. And they were really willing to roll the dice at Malik Beasley being in the corner and Pat content, having to throw over Sabonis and three other defenders to hit that guy in the corner for a three pointer. And then what happened was Pat called a timeout, Adrian Griffin adjusted and sent Dame to the back court. So they would remove a defender and then they had to go to Giannis. And that's why Giannis went to the line. It's like Giannis is your second best ball handler out there.

And these fans are just like, no, they need to get it to Dame immediately and let him Jack up a shot from literally anywhere on the court. And it's like, he has been less than efficient for a month now and time in Facebook groups like the one like Twitter is reactionary and crazy enough. Like Facebook groups are just fucking, you're spending time in Facebook groups, don't do that. I'm trying to do more on Facebook. I put a, I put like a new show logo. I put a new logo for my radio fan page or whatever. I just put a new logo out there and it goes, you fucking suck. Your ratings were terrible. I'm like, this is a fan page.

Why are you here? Yeah, he had, he had to go and find you to tell you how bad you fucking suck. Then he's trying to, then I don't, so I don't want to engage any further, but then he's like, we all know what you did to your co-host and the things you said about them. And I've said a lot of stuff about other people in the business. I've said a lot of stuff about people employed where I've been employed. Sure.

Yeah. But I've never gone after my co-host or anybody that worked on my shows ever. I sometimes wished you had, but you never did. You never once went after your co-host.

Never. I like the people, um, that, that want to like throw ratings in your face. Like the only ratings publicly ever available to anybody in a, in radio are like the most general ratings that exist.

Yeah. And sports stations, unless some of the year that one of the big ones in some of these bigger cities don't register ever in those ratings in their demos, they do, they do very well. Uh, it's a great return on investment. There's very loyal listeners, very wise listeners.

I really believe that, but it is a smaller piece of the pie. And so, yeah, uh, we were getting our ass kicked by like the station that runs all Christmas music or I like that. He's like, karma's a new bitch with your new job on national sports. Karma really got you Bart.

I don't think he knew that as I was arguing with him, I was like in between commercials of my have you, uh, we'll get back to the bucks in a second. Since you brought it up, is there, are there a being a national radio host? Cause I know you got talking twos for, uh, your social media activity by your boss on local radio. I happen to know that for a fact. Are there some, uh, are there some, any strict restrictions now that you're on national about engaging with the listeners and the audience and not going too far or using certain language? You would think, right? I would, I would think I'm trying to police myself better, but I didn't notice like, so I started, I started, uh, I've always like, we're back in Fond du Lac.

Okay. I took over a music morning show for a duo that was there for 15 years. Listen to these humble beginnings, ladies and gentlemen, and they got fired.

The guy got fired and the lady was like, I'm just not working with anybody else. And we didn't tell the audience what the hell happened. They were just there one day. It was just me.

Yeah. And then like when wicket left, then I took over and there was an explanation, but I had filled in a little bit. So, and then, um, this just happened on my new show is that I'm a familiar voice on filling in, but I don't know that it registered yet that this is the voice now in this time slot and wherever I've gone, there's always, I call it the fart stinkler day where people realize, Oh shit, this is the guy now. I hate him. And then they call me fart stinklers. If it's the first time I've ever heard it. And, um, you know, they tweeted whoever, like this guy sucks.

Fuck this guy. And it's all that. And it's like, cause for a while it was a couple of weeks. I'm like, man, nobody's like, I guess this audience likes me. And then there was one day where I realized there's a, there's the normal section of people.

A guy really called you fart stinkler like recently many people. Yeah. How does that thought run through your mind? And you're not like, ah, that's not original. So I'm sure. Am I just thinking like a comedian where I'm just like, I'm sure he's heard that a million times. There's no no, I'm not going to waste my time.

You're calling a guy fart stinkler. I gotta be better than that, dude. How many times, Rami, how many times have you, you hosted an open mic for years?

How did you hear a brand new person go up there and be like, this is the first time doing a comedy open mic is a lot like the first time I had sex. So it's gonna seem like forever for me. It's going to be way too short for you.

And you're going to leave probably disappointed. Oh, that is like a stock. So their first fucking open mic, somebody went on a message board and called Bart, Bart stinkler. That's fair.

What do you art was good to go for this? I was like, I thought the clippers tip off. I think I said this on the show too, which I don't know. Cause I I'm really, I'm trying to be cognizant of like how I come, I don't know. I, I still think I'm very niche. I don't, I don't know. I think I'm like, if you like what I provide, you do.

I don't, so I'm still trying to be like very, I'm trying to guide people into what's up here. Yeah. He's a man.

He's a man. It was very all of you. But I think I said, at one point I said, I could put a hundred of you in a room and then you could tell me 15 of these people hate your guts. And I said, by looks alone, I would bat a hundred percent on that test. I could just tell, I know who doesn't like me just based on your appearance. I could feel like you're more likable on the radio though, than you are in person or vice versa.

Wow. What, um, do people like you more when they can't see you? Are you more likable? No, I'm saying, cause you're not, I mean, we can say we are all we want, but there's a different, there are differences between on air Bart and on air Rami and on air drew versus just your day to day person.

Do you think that this, I don't, I don't think so. Not for me, there's a little bit of a difference. There's always a little bit of a difference always. There's any different than any conversation we've ever had off the air. No, I guess our conversations are pretty much the same off the air as a, yeah, you got a good point. I'll give you that. I might like actually name names off the air or say shit like that.

You want, you can name names here. Nobody's watching. This is the first episode.

Nobody's watching anything. No, the first episode, what happens is you think nobody's watching, but then as you grow, people always want to be like, well, what was the first one like? And so then a bunch of people watch you figure out that in 2024, internet does not reach attic somehow. I'm not in an attic.

I've been an upstairs bedroom. It's a, what do they call these? Uh, I don't know. It's one of the houses with like the pitched ceiling and the upstairs there's a, there's a, there's a name for this style of home, but no, it's like a bungalow. No, it's not a bungalow. I forget.

I don't know, man. How much time do you want to waste on the style of home that I live in? I live in a bungalow.

This is a bungalow. I did want to talk about. Yeah.

Rami. We should get like some books to put behind you, like just dictionaries and then like a basketball. So we seem smart about sports.

I am going to, I got to hang up some stuff. It's like politicians. Like we're getting into the political year and I've been watching a lot of Nikki Haley shit because she texts me every day and she definitely got my, she thinks that I'm my mom and she just said Nikki Haley. So I've been checking out and see what she does. She's got books behind her.

Like everything she says is stupid, but she, she looks smart. COVID really changed home broadcasts. Everybody's got like a great fucking home broad part. I was on your show the other day. Who is that guy that, that, that jumped on your show and he had the fur coat and he had a wall of portraits of himself behind him.

Everybody has like a great professional, well decorated studio in 2024. And I'm, I'm in what looks like an attic for our first episode. Yeah, I guess I have the fanciest backdrop of the three of us. This is my windows.

I couldn't do it out my light. It's a, it's really reflecting on my eggshell walls. It looks yellow. Can't see my neighbor's house.

Reflection. Duddy. My driveway is like this big too. It's like a sliver.

It's very small. Is that all you shoveled? Is that what you're saying? Or, Oh my God, my snowblower broke again. Twice in two months.

I saw you tweet that. How do you break a snowblower twice in two months? It's not even the engine. It's like, it's the first one broke, the thing snapped off. And then the second one was a newer one where it's bigger and like it clips onto what steers it. And that just decided to break.

So did you buy a new one or get them repaired? I don't, why are we talking? Just answer this question and then let's move on from here. I don't think I'm that much. I don't think I'm likable in any platform back to the box and what I was saying, I'm no less optimistic or excited about this team and the pairing of Damon Yanis than I was the day that the season tipped off.

And is, is any, are either of you two any less optimist? Cause I lost my mind. I jumped on your show the day that they traded for Dame.

And I thought then like, this is fucking amazing. Not only from a basketball standpoint, and they're going to win a lot of games, but find me a more entertaining pair or duo in the NBA. When you talk about those two guys, style of game, has any of the shine worn off of that for you guys? Because I still sit down every night and just get giddy and laugh at highlights or watching what we saw the other night with the first dame time in a bucks uniform.

Like I, I, I will not let these bucks fans that you're talking about rain on this parade for us. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I don't think you can say in 2024 that you get giddy anymore. I do.

No, he had that whole problem with the kids. I know what you're saying. Yeah. Getting giddy don't mean what it used to get going, dude. It's not good. No one cares. We don't know yet. There's an investigation.

You were saying true about the box though. No, I haven't. I actually, I haven't wavered at all. Like, you know, like I'm constantly trying to go places and watch games and just drag all of our friends out to just like watch this because it's like, if this does manifest into another championship run and we all decide to go to like uncle bucks again, it's going to be fun when people are like, Oh my God, I sat through January basketball to watch something awesome happen again. Like I've, I told you, I mean, you've known for a long time. Damian Lillard was my favorite player in the league.

Anyway. I actually just got accused after Damian Lillard hit that, that shot of being a Damian Lillard hater. And all I do is hate on Damian Lillard because I said he was really inefficient for most of December. Because remember I don't use the word inconsistent.

I use the word inefficient where it's like, are you taking a lot of shots and making them? Cause like people always lobby the accusation at Chris Middleton. Oh, he's inconsistent. Well, maybe there's a game where he only took eight fucking shots cause the shots weren't there.

So yeah, he's going to score what? Maybe maximum 16, 20 points, but people get pissed off when he scores four. Cause he shot eight fucking shots when he shoots 40% from the floor, it's like, okay, whatever. Fine. Like Damian Lillard was inefficient for a lot of December, but his numbers in Portland already pointed to that happening.

Plus his, uh, his whole thing with going through with whatever his personal issues are like, he's fine. Like I haven't had an issue with him, but then he hits a big three pointer and everyone's like, you fucking hate him. You fucking hate it. And I'm like, no, I don't like it. You got to stop talking to the people you talk to is what I was thinking.

Well, it's, it's specifically that one comic I told you about that like got all mad. Oh yeah. Stop talking. Yeah.

Stop talking to that guy. Bart, are you putting chairs out on the parade route? Are you still fired up about this thing?

Has any of it worn off for you? I think like you just got to get to the playoffs. And so we just got to make sure that they continue to get better and that you see improvement, but also if they lose a couple of games in a row, it's not, it's not the post season. And I, I don't know. I, I tend to think of it that way. I know that a lot of people say, well, the signs were there and this, how you turn on a switch or whatever, but you are playing a different sport. You're playing a different game.

It's a different setup. It's a, it's against a one opponent, five, six, seven times. And so I don't know that you can properly judge it until the first round and last year was bad. And the year before that they were hurt and the year before that they won it all. Last year, we beat the shit out of Miami in the regular season. And then like, I think we went three and one against them last year. And then if we see the Pacers, we'll kick the shit out of them.

Yeah. And that, I think that's the thing that a lot of people are upset about that it's like the Pacers and they're kind of like a non entity. I think like they're, they're a six seed maybe at best in my opinion. And what, what I, what I think people get mad as they see us lose like four games to them and that sucks to watch. But also it's like, we, the year that like we won the championship, we lost three out of four games to the Charlotte Hornets, whatever. Where the hell were they in April?

Like they weren't anybody to worry about. So it's like, I don't, I don't know why people like forgot all of 2021, because most of them, I honestly think weren't there until may. It was a young fan base part.

I've seen you tweet about that. It's, it's a relatively young and new fan base, which is going to happen when you have a team that hasn't won a championship in 50 years. And then suddenly they get a new arena. That's the center of downtown and they have a great superstar like Yanis and you win a championship. You're going to draw and attract new people who are still learning the game and sort of learning how to be a fan over the course of a long season. Yeah.

I just, I just wish that they're not, not saying that you have to be old to appreciate the bucks, but there's gotta be just the level of like, and I, I don't know. I remember being mad about a lot of games growing up and then you punch your pillow and you know, you, you slam your hand down or you say like, ah, fuck or like that. And then you move on.

But now we have a way to document our frustration. And if everyone's doc, like if everyone is punching a pillow being like, fuck, but they're doing it publicly, then it seems like it's a bigger thing than it is. Then that spreads. Then you have assholes like me that are always like, why is everyone punching their pillow?

Why don't you? And then, and then people gang with me and gang up on me. And then we're all fighting each other. And then 15 minutes later in the locker room, they go, uh, bucks fans are crazy.

What do you think about that? And they're like, what the fuck? How we just like, how is there, how is there any group think of emotion?

How is there any pulse on what people are thinking? I'm still sweaty. You know, the first, the first game against the Celtics this year, I was so excited that game. And then we just came out and just shit the bed hard and had to claw our way back. All of our friends showed up after an open mic to the bar that I was watching it at. And they bought me shots. Like I was going through a divorce.

I'm not going to also take all these shots. That was also blackout. That was also blackout Wednesday.

I think that factored in as well. It was bad. My sister drunkenly took my keys and drove me home in my car. That was, I found out how high up my backs.

Deets are because my sister was like, you're not dry. Nice. I should maybe edit that out too. We'll decide and post Bart. We are going to wrap this. We are going to wrap this thing up, but uh, before I let you go, like you're fucking your football team is like in the playoffs again and you got a quarterback again and uh, like that, that's probably pretty cool for you. Rami.

Say it. What team is that? Oh, you're doing the Ohio state, Michigan thing. No, I fucking hate you guys. I hate, how is this happening again?

How's this happening again? They're the best team in the NMC north. No, they are going out. Cause I'm already looking at next season. So Packers aren't winning the super bowl. The lines aren't winning the super bowl.

The Vikings aren't even in the playoffs and the bears are a joke of an organization. This is why, um, this is why I think Packer fans need to really enjoy this moment because next year there will be expectation again. Like now we've seen what Jordan love can do and we've seen this team get better. Um, next year there will be expectation this year.

Still there's not, you're still playing with house money. So, um, I do kinda, I do kind of worry about like a Jordan love and CJ Stroud did really good. And then they're both going to go and get, you know, whooped up by, you know, and get an like welcome to the league moment. I worry about that a little bit, but also Jordan loves been playing on what I think is as good of a run as you've ever gotten from a Packer quarterback with these last eight weeks. There was the giant's hiccup, but he's got like 20 touchdowns, one pick pass ratings over a hundred every game. Again, not the giant's hiccup, but it's in big games like Rogers won MVPs.

Okay. And he put up a lot of numbers, but then in those big games, he was not MVP Rogers. Love is playing better in bigger games and it's a greater stretch than Rogers maybe has done. I don't, I don't know when the last time was, uh, certainly the Superbowl run, but how many other times after that? And for, for love to go to San Francisco, if he could go there, cause Rogers had a chip on his shoulder, right?

Cause the nighters didn't take him. And then you want a Superbowl and that should be like, all right, the chips off my shoulder, right? Everyone who didn't take me, I did it, but he still kept that chip on his shoulder against the Niners. And then he played them in the playoffs four times and they beat him four times in different ways too, whether it was Kaepernick or Mostert or the snow or whatever it was. And if Jordan Love can go into San Francisco now and beat the Niners on his first try, I mean, that would just be comically insane. Is that going to be exercising a demon? Like the bucks and six thing became exercising the demon or love just beat San Francisco.

If we go and beat San Francisco, then we got to go to Detroit or Tampa Bay. I mean, are we that close to getting there? Yeah. Yeah.

I do. I remember like at least 10 years ago and saying, you know, when Aaron Rogers was, was taking the throne from Brett Favre, I was like, man, cause as a bears fan, I was like, okay, you guys had back to back hall of fame quarterbacks. If there's a third, I, I fucking, I quit and I, I'm not just not job, just a job in sports media. I just quit football. Like I'm just, and now it's, now it's happening and they're, they're like testing me. They're challenging me to see if I will actually fuck the football guys are trying to see if I will actually do this and just quit football. And I might, I'm telling you, I, if this goes in the trajectory that it's going right now in two or three years from now, I might just be done with the sport, man. This is fucking bullshit. This is complete and total bullshit. Well, you gotta, sorry. You gotta, you gotta let other people make the decisions for you.

What do you mean? Like the Packers only got Rogers cause 23 teams passed on them and Farve they got because Glanville thought he was too stupid. So they traded for him and then love bunch of teams.

Didn't want them. Other quarterbacks were taken. The bears always have the choice. The bears are always like, they're making the choice and then they choose the wrong guy.

Yeah. But then they also, you got, you got, I would just trade down, trade down to like eight and take the last quarterback left that no one else took. That's how you get your next car back. If you're going to make the decision, they'll screw up.

Like they always do. I still think the bears should draft two quarterbacks because you know, they're going to fuck it up. So at least once you fuck, like whoever they take between Caleb Williams, Drake may, let's say whichever one they take will suck. But if you take both, one of them will be good. No, you're just better than the other one. Yeah.

Take them both. Now you're just, now you're just mocking me. Now you're just laughing in my face and mocking me.

No, I wouldn't buy face. Um, no, the there's the South park streaming. What have you done to earn my respect?

I'm a national radio host. You can't even get past your first, you can't even get past your first bar on wifi. No, it's holding up. It's been good for like the last 45 minutes. It's been 45 minutes.

Can you believe that? No, you're looking at the Adidas bars on your shirt. Oh yeah.

I thought that was his wifi. It's fitting. It's halfway there.

All right, Bart, we're going to let you go buddy and wrap this thing up. Uh, thank you for doing this. I appreciate you. I'm proud of you. I'm happy for you. I love you. And uh, thank you.

Um, I have no desire to do this anytime soon. Check them out weeknights, late nights, nine to one. If you're listening in the central standard time zone on CBS sports radio and on the Bart Winkler show podcast. See you buddy. We'll talk to you next time. You're doing this again and we'll talk next time. I know.

All right. Bart Winkler. Hell of a dude. Isn't he? Drew? I love that dude.

He's the last time I saw him in person. He was, he had helmet nachos at a brewer's game that he hates. I thought you were going to say we were all shirtless in the deer district celebrating a championship was, but I was like, no, there was less hairy, sweaty hugging.

I was hugging a cop that night, so it doesn't matter. Any, any closing thoughts on the first episode of Romney and Drew, when you're like, they're going to force me to quit. It's like, you're doing like the I'm walking out the door and literally there was like one of the South park specials that came out and Cartman was like, I'm going to do it. I'm going to leave.

And then he ends up getting fake tips because his mom wouldn't buy fake tips one day. Like that's just what's going to happen. If that happens, you'll see it right here. I'm Romney and Drew, wherever you get your podcasts and on YouTube, that's Drew flaggy. I'm Robbie Mack law. Thanks again to our guest Bart Winkler. And, uh, we're gonna try and pump these out daily. So, uh, look for a new one on Thursday, Drew, I will talk to you then my man.

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