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Done my sports prep. Unless I'm listening to a game, I'm trying to see what else is going on in this country, in this world of ours, and nearly every night there is a story about AI. And a lot of it has to do with the uncharted territory. The computer software is so good right now. The processing is so fast right now that, as Al Michaels said, it's near perfect. Even though he didn't say it, and he didn't put it together, and he didn't actually voice the recap, only Al Michaels can maybe tell the difference between AI and his actual voiceover.

And it's a little bit scary as a broadcaster for a couple of reasons. What if, because there are no regulations for AI in our business, not yet, this is similar to the internet, right? The internet exploded, and the regulations, the legal side of it, it struggled to catch up. What's fair?

What's unfair? Just think about stalking online, or threatening someone over the internet, or even catfishing, those types of things. A lot of criminal, unethical activity was going on long before the internet was policed. And even now, it's not the same as in-person type of regulations, communications, and ethics. Well, ethics are grey areas, right?

But crimes versus what's allowed, what's not allowed. I know, gosh, five years ago, maybe this is pre-Producer Jay, I had a really serious stalker in that he was sending me threats over social media, but was actually threatening to find me, at one point even kill me. And I printed everything out, and I took it to, well I took it to my company, then we tried to talk to some police detectives.

I even called the state police one time to just ask my options, and they were all really honest with me. Because this is online, and there's been no threat in person, there's not a whole lot we can do. Which is scary, right? You can be stalked, you can be threatened. Over the internet, people can find all kinds of information about you over the internet, and they can scare you half to death, but it's still not necessarily a crime.

Now that was five years ago, the laws are trying to catch up with the internet, but you hear all the time about how kids are being targeted, and there's not enough laws to protect children, that's the internet. Now think about AI, and how the technology is so far out in front of the laws and the regulations, and this is what's going to happen. There's going to be all these grey areas, all these questions of ethics, and my ethics are different than your ethics. My values and my line that I won't cross is different than your values, and your line that you won't cross. And so a lot of broadcasters and a lot of what our union's concerns are, this is just for broadcasters, right, but a lot of the concerns are that our voices will be used without our A, knowledge, or B, compensation.

Think NIL. This is what athletes had been saying and had been working toward for years. You cannot use my name, my image, or my likeness to sell tickets, to make money, if you're not also paying me. So this is kind of a different way to look at it, is now you've got this technology that will generate potentially an entire role in a movie or a TV, and especially if it's voiceover and the person never appears on camera. Or, now this, I think there's been some controversy about this recently, I have to remember which, Scarlett Johansson, it was Scarlett Johansson, they were using her voice, well she believes they're using her voice, some type of AI-generated Scarlett Johansson, but with a different actress. So you could take someone's voice and put it on someone else's body and all of a sudden, voila, you create this incredible role. But that's not only unethical, it should be illegal to use Scarlett Johansson's voice and play it off like it belongs to another actress. That's funny because she was the voiceover, have you ever seen Her? I didn't. Yeah, never mind then.

No, tell me. It's about AI and it's got Joaquin Phoenix came out, I don't know, maybe 15, 20 years ago or so, and Joaquin Phoenix, it's him, so he's the body, and it's about the near-distant future where Scarlett Johansson is this device, and you can turn it off and turn it on, and that's his girlfriend. But it's not real, it's kind of like how futuristic AI is, and it learns what he likes, what he doesn't like, it talks to him, it's sentient, but then if he doesn't want it, he just turns it off. So it's a really interesting idea, and she's the voice of that machine in the movie.

Okay, well, yeah, so it's happening, and that's just one example. This is Al Michaels with his permission because the number of recaps that Peacock will generate for the Olympics, there's no way they could get away with it without him finding out, right? People would say like, oh, hey, Al, I heard your personalized recaps, and it wasn't him.

So there's no way they could get away with it, and I hope that NBC wouldn't do that to one of its iconic, legendary voices and faces. But this is the direction that we're going. Al has to do nothing except for say, okay, and sign on the dotted line and cash the checks.

It's after hours with Amy Lawrence, seven million possible accommodations based on what Al has done in his broadcasting history. This opens up a whole lot of potential, but a whole new can of worms. We've seen it with photos, too.

Oh, absolutely. And I've generated photos. Taylor Swift was suing someone a month or two ago because of these photos leaked, and it's not her. It looks like her.

It's not her. Yeah, it's crazy. It's seriously a little bit disconcerting. Have you heard about these personalized Olympic recaps generated by AI to sound like Al Michaels?

And how do you feel about artificial intelligence creeping into sports radio and TV? We put that question up. Jay's got a post on our show Twix at Amy After Hours.

The machines are taking over. And then also on our Facebook page. And I just love to hear your honest reaction. If you think it's great, cool.

But for those of us on the other side of it whose voices might get used, it's a different perspective. Let's talk to Doug, who's in Houston. Welcome to After Hours, Doug. Thanks, Amy. I listen to you all the time. Thanks for having me on. Of course.

Thank you. I actually work in radio here in Houston. And I work as the imaging director and production director.

Okay. And I've used AI to fix problems. And yes, so we can clone the voice.

There's a program I have that costs me $5 a month. Oh my gosh. And I can clone a voice. And I actually did it for Star Wars Day. I cloned Alec Guinness' voice, Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Oh my gosh. To do a sweeper for our radio station. And it sounded just like him. Holy cow. I can clone you with 30 seconds of audio.

I can clone your voice. And I'm assuming that you do this for the most part for your broadcasters that are part of your company, right? Yes. Yes. It's just, it's not for necessarily profit. It's just for on air, for entertainment.

Right. But I have heard stories that smaller markets, these smaller towns, because they don't have live people anymore, they could get your voice, my voice in larger markets or national like you, and clone our voices and use them in their smaller markets. So all they have to do is type out what they want our voices to say. That's on the horizon. I mean, that is scary because for the most part, if I'm working at my network and a station in some part of, let's say Idaho or New Mexico or Maine is using my voice, there's probably not a whole lot of chance that I would know. You would never know. Wow.

And it's coming. I've heard it happening and it's on the horizon of happening more. It's what we used to call voice tracking or satellite. Now, now it's simply, you clone the voice and simply type in what you want the voice to say. I can, like I said, I can clone you and you could say, Doug is the greatest guy in the world. I listen to him all the time and you have no clue who I am, but it would sound like you're endorsing. Well, if you ever had the opportunity and you want to call back and play something like that for us, I would love to hear what it sounds like Doug, but can you, since you're in our business, can you understand just the gray area with the ethics when it comes to this type of thing? Absolutely. I, I am feel a little bit like a trader because at the same time I'm using it as a business that could also replace me at the same time. It's very precarious. Yes.

It makes me very nervous. But, um, yeah, it's, you could literally make it say anything. You could make anybody endorse anything and it is terrifying and I honestly don't know how it will be regulated and I understand it as just a regular human being, but also as a broadcast professional because like you said, what if someone owns my voice and instead of paying me the amount of money I should get paid, they're using it for free and they're getting major market talent in whatever town they're in or, or even celebrities. You could have celebrities endorsing cause I like the, uh, Obi Wan. I took it straight from Star Wars.

I simply took his audio and cloned it, typed out what I wanted to say and it sounded just like him. Wow. Yeah. It's, it's crazy that it happened so fast now and that it's, it's generated within seconds. It's not even a tough challenge anymore.

Oh no, it takes minutes. Not even. And there's actually in music they're doing AI and as a matter of fact, Randy Travis just recently, uh, he had a stroke. So he actually endorsed using AI to recreate his voice to create a new song.

Wow. He supported it and it actually sounds just like Randy Travis and it sounds great. Except it's not actually him.

I mean it's him, but it's not him in the present. Exactly. Exactly. It's crazy. It is.

Wowzers. I mean, it's one thing to enhance a person's voice. Yeah, like you know, we know that people go into studios and they use different sound effects and different elements that make them sound maybe bigger or faster.

I mean, sometimes I'm sure you do this too. If you have a say 61 seconds of audio and you need to shorten it to 58 seconds, you can speed it up, right? You can take out a couple of words. We edit our audio all the time when I have a guest and you know this, but my audience may not. So if I have a guest who stutters a bunch or who has a coughing fit in the middle of an interview, you know, we don't tape all our interviews, but when we do, I just take the coughing fit out. So it's a little bit like that, the digital editing, but this is completely different where you don't even need a person. You don't even need a person.

No. And with the program, there are actually voices that come with it. So you can use the voices that are already in the program.

They have different dialects, different sounds, but the ability to clone so easily is the terrifying part. That is. Wow. Doug.

Well, I appreciate your perspective. How hot is it in Houston these days? Cause I'll be there next week. Hi. Tomorrow.

97, 80% humidity. Oh, it sounds delightful. I can't wait.

But the Astros are just as hot, so we're happy. That's true. Back to 500. Well, I appreciate your insight, Doug. Thank you so much for calling. Thanks, Amy. Take care.

Let's talk to MK who's in Atlanta. MK, welcome to After Hours with Amy Lawrence. Thank you, Amy. And I would like to say, first of all, congratulations. Thank you. I appreciate that.

He's a very lucky young man, I'm sure. Thank you. Yes.

I was calling, I don't know, maybe you can tell me, they got a gentleman just hung up. If this would work as a solution for AI, you remember back when albums first started receiving a warning label on all albums. I think the government stepped in and had to put warning labels to protect kids. So like explicit language, that kind of thing?

Yes. And they also have it on like cigarettes. I mean, I'm old enough to remember when they started that too. But if they could, you know, maybe put a stamp on the AI product and that way you'd be able to pick and choose if you want to believe it or not. I kind of feel like they need to make that mandatory, except as we talked about, the regulations and the legal aspects are so far behind because the AI, the software and the technology is moving so fast that it's hard to get anything put into law or put into regulation as quickly. It's a little bit like, remember going back to the days when we had the steroids and the performance enhancing drugs in baseball and other sports too, and the science would go so fast and there was such an incentive to keep ahead of the testing. Well, it's kind of like that, right, where the technology is moving so fast and there's this incentive, unethical sometimes, to keep going, to keep pushing the limits, to keep figuring out what they can do with artificial intelligence. Meanwhile, any type of regulation and legal border or boundary is hung up in Congress or in votes or whatever else it is.

So yeah, I feel like we're dealing with almost the wild, wild West for a while. I would agree with you. Warning labels should be, well, maybe not a warning label, but just, hey, AI generator or somewhere on the product, this is AI. I mean like a fingerprint, it's going to have to have a fingerprint or a DNA and they could just put it on the new software coming out or all the software, whereas no matter where you get your software from, it's there and it would have to show itself. Interesting.

Yeah, I would think that would be one place to start. There has to be some type of, like if it's an actor that's not actually in the movie, but you're using their voice or their likeness, I don't know, something along those lines. If it's AI generated, I would think that the production studio would have to indicate, I don't know, but I don't know, like computer graphics, we see movies with dinosaurs. We all know that those dinosaurs are not in it.

I mean, those are computer graphics and yet we are still so highly entertained. Oh gosh. Yeah, it's pretty nuts. It's too deep for me now, man, and I'm not, that's out of my eyes right now.

Right? I'm with you there. I enjoy your show. I'm going to hang up and listen to the rest of your show. Oh, thank you, MK. Good to talk to you in Atlanta. Have a great Thursday.

855-212-4227. We are asking you about this imposition, I think it is, it's an encroachment of artificial intelligence into the world of sports TV and radio. And this really just kind of sparking a whole lot of thoughts and concerns as I was hearing about these personalized, and I'm using my air quotations, personalized, because they're not, they're not personalized.

And that's the point is Al Michaels can voice them and they can sound like they're made specifically for you. But don't you feel cheated if you didn't know, wouldn't you feel cheated if you log on to Peacock and maybe there are people out there, Jay, who don't recognize that it's AI, they log on to Peacock, they see this option, maybe it's a dropdown menu, something of the sort where Al Michaels can give you a daily recap. I'll bet the majority of our population doesn't know it's AI and maybe can't tell, but even if it's just a handful of people who believe that they are signing up for Al Michaels, advertising, their daily recaps, and it's not actually him, it's not actually him.

That's just false advertising. Yeah. I think MK was really onto something where I don't know what it could be or should be, but there needs to be some sort of warning label, if you will, or like he said about like, Hey, this is AI, this is not really Al Michaels. Simple as that. There needs to be some sort of thing where everybody knows this is AI.

I don't know what that is or how we get there, but. And yet at the same time, it is actually Al Michaels. It's just not, but how do you, how do you delineate that in words though? It is Al Michaels' voice. It's not him though, because it's not his brain thinking these sentences. Yeah. Oh, it's it right voiced. It's the voice of Al Michaels, but AI generated, but it's so that's so convoluted. I agree with you.

There needs to be a big old sticker slapped on it. I mean, it's, it's physically not him. It's not. It's a computer. It's a computer. That sounds like Al Michaels. Posing as him.

It's a computer posing as him. Right. So how do you guys feel about it?

There is a post up on Twix at Amy After Hours, also on our Facebook page, I'd love to hear your reaction. And I suppose there are people out there who don't work in the business, right? Who don't have the concerns of, Oh my goodness, someone else could be using my voice. But maybe put yourself in the space of the college athletes who are now getting paid for NIL.

And there probably are some people out there who think, this is amazing. I can pay less and still get the same. It's not the same. It's just a really dangerous game because it's like our liner with Klay Thompson.

He recorded that liner. Klay Thompson was in a room and said, this is Klay Thompson, right? If I had to, if I paid $5 a month, as Doug was telling us, I could make any athlete in the world say this is after hours. What if they don't like the show? You know what? It's just, you can't. Right. And they would never know. They would never say it authentically.

It's just with any product. You can make them say whatever they want. Shoot Jay, do we now need to promise people that was actually Klay Thompson? That was Klay Thompson. Right.

We didn't make that up. Klay said that. This is Klay Thompson.

It's him. It is Klay Thompson. But you know what? We have that. We can move the words around, rearrange it. Actually, we were just talking about this the other night because if he doesn't remain with the Golden State Warriors, we're going to have to take that part out of the drop. Now that's just eliminating material from something that Klay actually said, but it's just as easy with a digital editor to make it seem like it's us or me and it's really not. The amount of Klay Thompson, like audio we've used over the years, I paid, apparently as Doug says, $5 a month to make them say whatever they want. That creeps me out. Yeah, not great. What do you guys think? At A Law Radio, at Amy After Hours or our Facebook page. Coming up.

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Yes, it is. The Orioles take the lead on a Cedric Mullins home run out into the flight court. Just fair. Cedric dropped the bat.

He knew it was gone. It was just a matter when it stayed fair and it did. Orioles on top. Mullins, eighth homer of the year. It's three, two Orioles.

This is after hours with Amy Lauren. Oh, hey, two can play at that game. You know, the whole smash the home run power surge thing and the Orioles were missing some of that and have gone through some injuries the last couple of weeks, but found the power again, found the power outlet, if you will, against the slugging Cleveland guardians. So with that home run from Cedric Mullins, you hear on Orioles radio, that was the seventh inning snapped a tie. It was actually Gunnar Henderson in the fifth inning that tied the game with his solo shot.

Yeah. In this game between the two teams, guardians and Orioles, there were five home runs and yet it was still just a four, two victory for the Baltimore team that now gets to 50 wins. They're snapping the guardian seven game win streak, managing to get back on the winning track themselves. And they're sitting on 50 wins. It's huge, you know, in the midst of kind of where we're at right now in the schedule. Some guys are beat up, some guys are tired, but you know, it's a matter of being able to push through that. You know, we got, got some rest days coming, but we can't stop. They had lost their previous five before the victory last night over Cleveland and Cedric Mullins says they definitely needed that one. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence. Now you've got the Orioles and Yankees sitting on the same number of losses.

Yankees have two more wins, but only one game back is Baltimore in the AL East and we'll talk Yankees Mets coming up maybe back in the hour or next hour, sometime before the end of the show. 855-212-4227, how do you feel about artificial intelligence, AI getting into the world of sports, TV, radio, maybe even athletes? Think about how much money athletes command to endorse products. If you're Kaitlin Clark or Steph Curry or LeBron James or Peyton Manning, for heaven's sakes, these guys, take your pick, CJ Stroud.

You see them endorse sneakers and sports drinks and all manner of different products. Could you imagine if their voices were used without their permission? There would be a huge uproar, but that could be happening in broadcasting, it can be happening really with people who wouldn't even know that their voices were being used and yet it would seem like it was that person, right? We just talked about it with Doug from Houston, which is, yeah, it's fascinating to think about, pretty amazing, the technology and also frightening. Kerry is in Oregon.

Kerry, what do you think about the whole thing? Hey Amy. I've listened to you, well, pretty solid for the last year plus, but on and off the last 15 years, depending on how the radio station's out, your pickup, whichever broadcast company, but anyway, I like your show, it's sunshiny in the middle of the night.

I don't know how you do it for all those years in the middle of the night, but I worked my share of night shifts back in the day, but good for you and good for us because yeah. No, I was telling the call guy, I don't know who it is, it's Jay, no, it's producer Jay, it's fine. Jay is multitasking, I love it. He is.

Working it. No, to me, this is all like thought about and I read a bunch of, not technically, but I mean, I read a bunch of articles, critical articles about AI and I know until that guy from Houston called, I had no idea it was quite that accessible commercially or maybe efficient commercially, but it seems to me that it's the same thing in a regulatory sense they can do, getting Congress to do anything is a nightmare, but they can do something like, I mean, you can't call, like I told him, you can't call champagne, Sparking Wine from California, you can't call it champagne, you just can't, it isn't, it isn't marketed as champagne, Cheez's from Canada, they don't even allow them off across the border for different reasons, things like that, there's domain of origin, you know what I mean? And I think there's a way to kind of make, you talked about warning labels, there's ways to make the origin of something, even a voice, regulated, isn't there? So that's part of why, that's part of why the broadcasters went on strike last year, as well as writers, you may remember there was both a writer's strike and then an actual broadcaster's strike, it's my union, now we in radio didn't have to, but everyone in TV had to go on strike as a show of solidarity and part of it is because they were worried about production companies skipping the big paydays to the actors and actresses who make millions and millions of dollars to associate with a film, but somehow their voices would still end up in it, could you imagine if you could generate an AI Tom Cruise and use him for Mission Impossible and not have to pay his fee, I mean that probably is something they can do, but yeah there's all these ethics and certainly actors and actresses don't want to be cut out, I mean think about it in another way, umpires are about to be replaced by robots behind home plate, that's another way, no it's a different type of thing but it's still artificial intelligence for these robots who will be taking the place of people and presumably taking their jobs. You think so? I think there's a place for, obviously a place for ump's no matter what and it's just the communication lag that needs to be worked out, but I think the, and the Screen Actors Guild and the writers and producers and everybody, I think they kind of just put the brakes on but didn't get real good concessions from the studios on, and hopefully that'll change, hopefully it's home made, because none of us, I don't want a world where I'm listening to artificial generated crap. Yeah, but how would you know, that's the question Kerry, how would you know? I'll tell you what Amy, I'd turn off the dead gum radio, how about that?

Just completely, just go on strike. No really, I've worked really well without having to deal with a lot of computer crap in my life, I've paid people to do computer work for me, never bought into the whole thing, but I know it's essential, it's how the world decided what's essential, but I hear people say, oh yeah I put my information out there, we all do, no we don't all, but y'all did, so luck to you, yeah I will, it's hard to take it back, once it's on the internet it's hard to get it back, I tell my students all the time, what you put on social media or the internet never goes away, it never goes away, yeah I mean that from the get-go, sorry I'm going to opt out, I'm going to bail on that one, however I'm not bailing on my Orioles, so there you go, come on Adelie, get your bat moving, let's do this, I like it, all right Kerry, good to talk to you, thanks so much for your phone call, we appreciate you listening faithfully, Craig in New Hampshire, I don't want to cut you off, so we're going to wait till after the break if you don't mind, we're taking some of your posts online at A Law Radio or on our Facebook page and our friend Jack, who's an author and a former journalist himself, replies with this, AI is a terrible thing, brings more uncertainty, creates a lack of credibility, that one I like, because if you don't know if it's authentic and you start questioning everything, there is definitely a lack of credibility and it destroys the careers of hard-working voice talent, yeah that's scary too, I mean think about the voice actors who are likely to be out of jobs if computers can generate voices that they like just as much, oh goodness, another tweet coming in, it's not authentic in all capital letters, that's true, except do people care, if it's not really Al Michaels but it's still Al's voice, do you care? What's the name of that social media app, Jay, that we talked about last year, I guess it was over the holidays, that you can, Cameo, Cameo, you call and you get a video that's made for you by a particular celebrity or entertainer, musician, what if Cameo started using AI, I'm not saying it is or it would, but what if Cameo starts using AI, doesn't need the actual actors, celebrities, entertainers, not only do you save a heck of a lot of money but you also can deliver a product that seemingly is exactly what people are looking for. All it would take is someone with the technology and access to make an account, right, I could be Tom Cruise if I had the technology to do it, what do you know? Oh yeah, I mean Mission Impossible does make masks for people and portrays them like they're people they're not, including the voice technology, right, it's MI come to life, I mean maybe if things get so bad like that there'll be some sort of regulations but for the time being it's the wild wild west out here. Well that's what I kept saying about NIL and how people are using NIL as pay for play and it's hard, the NCAA regulations are still just catching up so it's going to be a similar thing with AI because the technology is moving so fast. Online our Facebook page After Hours with Amy Lawrence, I suppose there could be fake Amy Lawrence pages out there, and then also on our Twix page at Amy After Hours too, how do you feel about the use of AI for an Al Michaels personalized Olympics recap that's not actually Al Michaels, he has nothing to do with it except he signed on the dotted line and said yes you can use. Plug in a Hyundai EV and the extraordinary happens, it's not just the ultra fast charging capability and long range in the IONIQ 5 and IONIQ 6 or the adventure seeking spirit of the Kona electric or the groundbreaking 601 horsepower IONIQ 5N and it's not just the comfort in knowing that every Hyundai EV is backed by a 10 year 100,000 mile limited electric battery warranty, Hyundai's EVs transform a low hum into a loud adventure, they bring color to your journey and turn energy into main character energy so forget everything you thought you knew about EVs and turn the extraordinary into something truly electrifying.

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He's at first. Nimmo goes to second. The Mets in the bottom of the third take a one nothing lead against the Yankees.

Here's the 0-1. Driven in the air to deep right. Soto going back to the track. He looks up and has gone disappearing into the Mets bullpen. Francisco Alvarez swung on and driven in the air to right field slicing away from Soto who's on the run.

He won't get it. It's in for a hit. One hops the wall. Nimmo around third. He's digging for the plate. The relay throw to the plate. Head first slide.

Nimmo is safe. Alonzo to third and on at second with a double and a run batted in is Francisco Alvarez. He has driven in three. The Mets are leading by a score of four to nothing.

This is After Hours with Amy Lawrence. Even with a severe weather delay the Mets went on to pound the Yankees. So now the Yankees are they're backpedaling a bit. They know it. They're making some roster changes or some moves I guess in the starting lineup. Meanwhile the Mets are back to 500. They've won 12 of their last 15.

They scorched their way through June. They're giving credit to a large stuffed purple eggplant that belongs in a McDonald's Happy Meal and yeah all of a sudden it's like a different team. Eggplant. Well I mean he does look like an eggplant.

He's kind of pear shaped like an eggplant. That's grimace. Anyway this has got to be embarrassing for the Yankees. Even though Aaron Judge is on a tear they're not getting enough support around him. Judge hits his 30th home run so staying out in front of the rest of Major League Baseball but yeah they're 0 for 7 with runners in scoring position and the the Yankees pitching gave up 12 runs on 12 hits to the Mets. So trust me when I say it's more embarrassing when it comes from the crosstown team they won't even acknowledge as a rival. Yankees are clinging to the lead atop the A.L.E. so Baltimore winning on Wednesday night as well.

It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence. The call's there on the Mets radio network with the amazing Howie Rosen. It's really him. It's not actually A.I. generated which I feel like we need to say every time now. Not confirmed.

We can neither confirm nor deny. Craig has been waiting in New Hampshire. Craig welcome to After Hours with Amy Lawrence. Hi Amy. Listen I know that your show After Hours has been on for about 10 or 12 years but I think it's safe to assume you've been working in broadcasting a lot longer than that. Oh yes I'm old for sure. Well I'm in my 60s and I'm a former broadcaster as well. I go back to the late 80s early 90s back when radio and television were still analog not digital but I just wanted to share real briefly with you and your listeners that I think we started down this slippery slope sadly back in the 90s when we made the transition from analog technology to digital technology and we started to incorporate all of this computer automation as you know a lot of radio stations nowadays there isn't any humans involved computers right and we also started to see thanks in part to deregulation on the part of the FCC back in the 90s in fact it was during the Clinton administration that the FCC allowed basically now you just have a handful of broadcast conglomerates that own all the television stations and radio stations which prior to deregulation was illegal. But I think it's a combination of factors that have led us down this slippery slope if you will and I think it's not just a cause for concern for people like you in terms of your voice being used or your image being used but I think it's also a concern for people who are creators of content in other words AI can create movie scripts, television scripts and so we're going to I think find ourselves in the very near future in kind of a really unique situation where computers and computer technology and artificial intelligence will have the capability to do everything that historically and traditionally has been done by humans in the entertainment industry and I really think it's going to have a profound and negative impact on our society. Yeah it's crazy to think about the possibilities but it's there I just wonder though because it would be perfect computers are perfect for the most part well they're as perfect as the people that program but the artificial intelligence it will continue to learn and grow it's a little bit like a human brain in that respect and yet part of the human experience is failure part of the human experience is not being perfect part of the human experience is the emotion and so I wonder if we'll be able to tell when it's AI generated versus not I don't know I just kind of wonder if we'll have the ability to distinguish. Well here's what I can tell you I remember just like the gentleman who called in earlier from Houston I can tell you that back in the mid 90s again when I was still working in broadcasting we started to do something that he referred to as voice tracking and voice tracking when I was in the business we used to refer to it as live but later in other words I could voice I could voice track my own show and go home and listen to myself right but how you can tell that something is voice tracked or at least this was the case back in the in the 90s in the early 2000s how you could tell that something was in essence a canned ham was the fact that there were no mistakes true so when you when you didn't hear a mispronunciation of a word when you didn't hear someone take a breath when you didn't hear someone sneeze or cough that was usually indicative of voice tracking because they could take all the mistakes right out right good point that's a really good point you're right and we do that in digital editing right if I happen to be taping an interview and someone needs a minute they have a coughing fit it's happened before oh excuse me do you mind if I go get some water and I say don't worry we'll take it out that's so true and it's funny too Craig because people ask me is your show live or taped and I say to them all you have to do is listen for 15 minutes do you think I would leave all the dumb words in or the mistakes I make if it was taped no I would not so yeah you're right the human experience is imperfection and so that's a great way to be able to tell so I appreciate that Craig what part of New Hampshire are you in well I I live in Derry New Hampshire I'm not originally from New Hampshire however I'm one of these people that has come back to New Hampshire on several occasions because of my broadcasting career yeah I bounced around the country yes but I got out of broadcasting about 12 15 years ago and I decided to make New Hampshire my home so I've been in New Hampshire full-time now for about 14 15 years oh gosh love it miss it wish I could do the job there although I suppose with AI maybe I could but live for your die baby thank you so much for your call Craig I appreciate it I enjoy your show Amy thank you Ra is listening in Chicago Ra welcome to After Hours what's your perspective I think this is must be broadcast night because I'm also a broadcaster in Chicago and I'm also do music production and I remember when Tupac passed away then when he passed away there was our artist who was sounded death row who sounded like Tupac and he was recording and putting out music and they were saying they was labeled as unreleased music by Tupac Shakur and this was with an actual person so now with AI you can generate and generate artists that may have passed away that you miss yeah and you can and now what's the scary part is you can have new artists actual new artists who have features on their albums from artists that they've never worked with who may have long passed away before them and they can bolster their careers and build a career by saying okay this artist featuring DMX but we know DMX has passed away but they could put something and say unreleased material by DMX and completely falsify a whole entire career oh man and then on top of that now you're using AI and you can't be sued by for into use of intellectual property because it's not actual DMX and it's not actually DMX lyrics so now it becomes a either slippery or slow oh well I'm not using DMX's voice I'm not using DMX's lyrics but I am technically using DMX's voice but it's an AI version right oh man and how would people know except of course that he's passed away but you know maybe there is some material it's someone who knows him and once this hits the internet and people you know maybe believe it or you can get away with it for a short time I mean especially if it's someone who's passed away it's hard to know Ra I appreciate I'm sorry so our music is going but I 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