The Milwaukee Brewers are knocked out of the playoffs, again. Again!

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Just go to indeed.com slash blue wire right now and support our show by saying that you heard about Indeed on this podcast that's indeed.com slash blue wire terms and conditions apply need to hire you need indeed. Good evening, everybody, is how I started the show on Thursday night and then right after my Infinity Sports Network show started. It was about 30 seconds before the game actually ended. So at least going on the air I knew that they were probably going to lose but there was still some glimmer of hope and then it all came crashing down. Welcome into the Winklerverse I'm Bart Winkler, Graham Pills, Paul Imig.

Alongside, you can see our faces on the Dan Cheney YouTube stream, or like and subscribe on your audio platforms. So yeah, I did 20 minutes to start the show. Like certainly raw and grant you really I mean, you're doing this and you're on Bill show you haven't really like done your takes on the brewers yet on air. I did it the second after it ended.

Zero interest. I'm glad that I didn't I tweeted I fired off a couple tweets last night and then I unplugged did I played Xbox before bed, which got more mad but whatever. So my, my, my, my whole thing with baseball is it's so long for this. I mean, it still felt like the playoffs after Wednesday. Like it felt like okay we have a playoff like run here, as short as it was, but I've been probably. This is the least connected I felt towards the team, and that's it's it's different because I used to like be in the building. And so there's going to be that, but I maybe watched one game a week. I mean I follow up but I maybe watch one game a week and I'm glad that I wasn't more connected and I'm even mad like I let myself get back in but when Peter Lanza was at the plate. I walked out of the room.

I knew what was coming. And then I came back and it happened that's not like an anecdote or a joke I did walk around, and I think, you know, all these times that they make the playoffs. It's not. It's not that they lose.

You're not going to win. What are we idiots, we think our team is going to win every year, we got two Super Bowls we got an NBA championship. It's better than some. It's how they lose. Yeah, it's never just like a five run inning for the Mets in the second game and six one. There's always and it's always like some lead that we blow any team it's these blown leads.

Because this was the fifth straight loss for the Brewers in a playoff game where they had at least two run lead and lost. They blow them all the time so I'm just, I don't know, like the day after isn't as painful. It's worse. That's, that's, it's worse the next day. It's well well for me for me, and then I'll shut up for me it's like, it's not it's, it's, this is old hat though grant. This is we're used to this.

You never get used to that. But also I already had four hours of like talking myself through it. I was home alone. I, the first person I interacted with was Eva our morning show host when I got here at 955 I normally get in at 915, I do a couple segments, I walked in three minutes before Bill show started today. So let me give you a story that I think directly relates. And it's what immediately came to mind when I was listening to you on what was your Thursday night show, Bart. And it brought me back to what Josh sitting Yes, why am I talking about a former retired Packers offensive lineman I promise you it's the perfect, like, way to look at this. Oh, we weren't, we weren't questioning you know I know but I mean it's it's he was like wait what was he talking about why is he about to bring up a quote from nine years ago from Packers, but it's when I was still covering the team, and it's obviously one that I've retained that I thought was really interesting.

And it was the day after it was locker clean out that sort of bring up another bad memory but the day after the loss to the Seahawks in the playoffs. In January of 2015, and interviewing Josh sitting that morning, one of his, his main thing was I wish we had and I went and found the article to make sure I wasn't making this up so I'm looking at it right now. I would rather have not made the playoffs. The full quote that he said was anytime you feel like you should have one it's tough to get over, and when it's the last one it's very difficult to get over, you feel like it's a waste of seven eight months, what's the point of getting this far. I would have rather not even made the playoffs, and quote. At the time, myself and the other reporters like what like that is. I don't think Josh means that like, as I've gotten older. And, you know, you've been a part of these as a fan.

Yeah, like it's way worse called in last night and I was, and he was like, Oh, at least you guys make the playoffs I go, No, you you be be your, your, your, your ignorant in your apathy like, Yep, you are. Like, maybe the perfect. It's like the perfect way. Honestly, the perfect way to consume sports is like the, not even the Florida Marlins, but Tampa Bay, the Buccaneers.

Sure. The Buccaneers. Some years they're good some years they might have some expectations some years they're shit. And then some years they win a Super Bowl and then 20 years later Tom Brady comes, and it's like, it's, it's fun in a way where you don't have to devote. Like you. It's just it's too it's too much in for not enough out.

Sure, is what it is. Yeah, I do think you, I think you have to live through being a fan of a team that is constantly in the playoffs, but never actually. And it adds up with our teams, yeah, Packers, and the bucks thing is great, thank God. Yeah, but the bucks like, and I think one thing that I realize is in Wisconsin and there's some weird Cubs Packer fan things, but for the most part, like if you're a Bucks fan you're a Brewers fan your Packers fan it's not some of these cities it's like Mets or Giants you know in New York you're not sure hubs but bears but White Sox, and then even some like, yeah, I live in Phoenix I like the suns but I'm actually from Memphis so I like the Titans, or something it's it's just in Wisconsin, it's everybody wears everything and I do think the Bucks felt that pressure of those other teams. And the teams made like the 2024 fans may not feel it. But I don't think there's any other franchise because the people were mentioning the maple leaves to me a lot which makes sense for the Brewers. But when you're a Brewers fan, and you leave that stadium. You're not only thinking about, oh, that's another Brewers loss, you're thinking of all the Packers and Bucks loss and the fact that we've had these competitive teams. And then they lose in the playoffs, and it's not a 30 to 10 loss, right, it's Oh Aaron Jones is a big run, you're going to score on this drive, you're going to beat San Francisco. Yep. It's, oh, you're coming into the playoffs and oh Yanis blew out his knee or whatever the hell.

Sure. So it's it's everything on top of everything and what I was asking last night. Not to just cry about the Brewers for four hours which I ended up doing. But what I was asking last night is, how do you get up for the next one. Why, why, like, and why I think you've used this analogy, but it's the perfect one.

And again, that's why I'm honestly like beyond being buddies I'm glad that someone like us on the radio because it's like oh there's like very few people like you'll find hopefully grant is, you know, this next generation's version of that where it's like oh like there's actually someone who thinks the things and says the things that I think, but something you brought up that really resonated that I had previously thought before you ever said it publicly was it's like playing like the Mario games back in the day where you got to go all the way back to the beginning. And the worst part is just getting back to the spot where you just were it took a long time to get there. And then you didn't didn't you know you lose your final. And now you're back, and you have to take like another hour hour and a half to get back and that sucks that is just a process like you have to get back to that same spot and you're not having fun. Getting back to where you just were you just wish you could fast forward to getting back where you were.

And those are the type of video games that I always had thought of that you obviously had also always thought of like. I mean grant definitely likes the Brewers in this present moment, right grant is a much bigger Brewers fan part than you and I are. Are you going to have a fun time watching the regular season next year. Are you looking forward. Yeah.

Yeah, I think he's still, but I think he's still like, but is it because he's young. No, I feel like grants where I was in 2018. So I'll say this too.

If I'm not surprised in watching this year's playoffs and recent years playoffs but definitely the most this week. I'm definitely very likely, never going to get over, truly, honestly, recover from 2018. I've never come all the way back. I mean, that's just I'm not saying that's the right or wrong with me I was like, I was there. I was on the field.

Right. So when I talk about myself like I'm not as attached to the Brewers will know shit I'm not sure I'm not in the locker room, which they're not letting NFL people, did you see that. I did see that the new locker room access thing. I don't think it can. They're going to send guys to the podium for an hour and a half. I mean, you can't, you can't, whatever this is a gender.

It is messed up though, if that's true and that's going to be like a universal rule, then that's a different story. But like for me in 2018 and everyone has their own story but I, I was a season ticket holder I had gone to like 30 games. You know Bart we had gone to the Rockies series together you may or may not have fallen asleep, like I was at the Dodgers games.

Like, that was my like they had to get to the World Series that year. And I see a lot of people since last I brought I brought up last night when I called Tim and Billy and was like, yeah, guys, everyone is too much. There's too much excitement for next year this was the chance, well and I saw Sparky, you know, who's older than us Bart get retweeted or quote tweeted by a few people when he was less than we are you know what but what a fun season. And one of my topics is on this but it's enough off of this that we can kind of keep talking about it generally which is like, I hope people like Bart you I heard you talk about it last night like you had your own experiences this year with your kid. Like so this baseball season had its own thing for you. I mean yesterday was a gut punch he was so into the playoffs we had a baseball practice right before it was like, but I just make sure that I'm watching the.

I am really surprised though and again it you know everyone's different right like, but I'm surprised that someone like Sparky someone like Tim Allen can go right to. Well, next year. I don't think you can eventually maybe that's a maybe that's a. Maybe that's the process. Maybe that's their grief process my grief. My grief processes. Like, I disconnect. So when I'm like you know what, fuck, I kind of like, I'm out.

Like I get really to the point of disconnection which I don't know if that's healthy or good or bad but it's that's that's my, my process I would love to be able to do that. I'm responsible for six hours of Wisconsin sports content a day I literally that's why that's why this sucks is last night I'm like I tomorrow is going to be a fucking treat, like, but I think beyond you're crying. That's fucking awesome.

I can't wait to play that. I think grant though, you know, speak for yourself don't let me speak for you but like beyond your professional obligations like you are a Brewers fan, like a pretty like sincere, I would say grant is true blue brew crew. Yeah, yes.

But I know my realization is that one girl tweeted. All you losers that went to that loser parade in 1982 This is your fault. I did not see like there's got to be a curse. But what is the curse. I actually I think it might be a bud ceiling related curse. Because we stole a franchise.

Yeah, from Seattle. I don't think they'll win anything in the playoffs until Ryan bronze number is hanging in the. I agree.

And also, Grant. Oh god I just I had a point that I had, oh yeah you. We said this. It's not like I want, it's not like I was like, oh, we had our chance because we were going to beat the Phillies and then beat the dot like, I just wanted to win this series. Yeah, you got to get past this wildcard thing. Well, and that's what's weird text about this earlier like this is a, this is a wildcard series, just the idea of advancing, and by the way, you know we were going to beat the Phillies. The whole thing is predicated on getting in and getting hot, because you never know when a team is off for five days they can get cold. I wanted to see what the Phillies would look like after a couple days layoff. The Mets totally have the advantage. This is the way that this playoffs are set up, and this is what I'm bitching about the format I think maybe I don't do a good enough job of but if you're the Phillies, you're sitting on your ass for a week, and if you're the Mets, you went to Atlanta for some weird double header that was super fun and team bonding, you go to Milwaukee you add another thing to the meme team, which I don't know why that's not catching on.

That's a good name for this team. Mm hmm. But you had another thing and you're coming in, and you're coming in, like, and all of a sudden, no one care, what is, what is this Jesse Winker stuff he acts like we wronged him. I know he was terrible here.

How is this some redemption arc for you. Yeah, if you if you have beef with Willie Adam is you are the problem. Yeah.

I think it's number three behind only 2014 and 2020. I clearly and basketball the national championship like that's its own thing but yeah i think this is worse than this is up there with hackers for you, and I don't, and I don't like. And I don't know why do this to myself because I get an idea in my head of this is what Wisconsin sports radio should be saying today, and I know that that's not what they're going to say and I turn on shows in the morning expecting something different and it's on this morning was, you know, we'll add it to the pile of and they're just going through the but, but like yes we have suffered a lot of tough playoff losses, but lumping today lumping this loss in with what's happened to the Packers the bucks like that's letting last night's team off the hook they fucked it, and that has nothing to do with what Aaron Rodgers did what happened with Colin Kaepernick like you are at the finish line. You had your closer on the mound. Everyone was saying I was listening to Rosie act on microbrew this morning so that's the loudest I've ever heard that ballpark of the dozen plus years or how many years I've been covering games are so loudest it's ever been self relocating a home run last night, your boy I'm not kidding. I was texting my dad about this quite literally could be the most unlikely thing I've ever seen happen in Wisconsin postseason game. All baseball. The underlying stats the year that he had the type of player that is, that was one of the most it might be the most shocking thing I've ever seen, and they waste grant more shocking to you. This is a personal question just for you, self really coming up big in the playoffs or Rashaan Gary coming up big in the playoffs.

Those are like your two guys, probably sell, and that's why it's, it's insane that that happened. And all Bruce fans, forget a World Series forget a championship series all Milwaukee wanted to do for 12 hours was to be able to walk out of that building last night, and to celebrate a series went to celebrate their team advancing. That's all we wanted to do. And I'm not saying that well once you get to the Philly series I stopped wanting to win like of course, that's all we would have taken it. That's all we wanted last night, and we couldn't we just for whatever reason it was not given to us. So one thing that I saw that maybe this could be related to our. I don't know where you're going. I did see the comment from Pat Murphy.

That really pissed me off. Well, last night. I think the best part of history, if you want to report on history is the Brewers have been to the playoffs and six out of seven years with one of the smallest budgets and in one of the smallest markets and baseball. You see the small market thing you say if you get to the World Series and you lose, and it's just clear like the year that we almost got there in Boston would have beat us, then you say small market I mean we got we if you're not making the playoffs you say small market. You've been there six last seven years.

You've had opportunities you've led in ball games. It's not small market why they lost the series. It's not. I also don't think he's. So how long did he talk for 1012 15 minutes after the game. Like, that's probably 15 seconds of the let's call it 15 minutes because he's not wrong what he's saying is, they should be commended for it.

They should be like, I don't know, the words. It's, it's like, we don't need it last night we don't need small market does not need to be mentioned last night by anybody or by the manager. Certainly the manager but anybody. I didn't need the owner, I mostly don't have any issues with Mark he didn't need to do a press conference the day of, or the day before their playoff game saying we love Adamus but you know we don't have the money so we'll try that wasn't necessary. It's true I'm not asking him to go up there and lie, you just don't need to say it. I think Mark things when he's here he has to do media and he's doing everyone a favor but really nobody wants to hear from you. Well, I mean that's not, I mean the reporters, obviously very much want to hear from him whether or not Mark being up there is good for the Brewers, because he's going to, of course you'd be asked about Willie. And then what's he gonna say he's gonna lie, or is gonna say something honest and if you say the answer say we love having Willie we're going to do everything we can to keep him around, but so fucking easy. Press conferences are fucking hard. It drives me nuts to listen to sports figures bungle press conferences drives me nuts, I mean like I appreciate what you're saying but also he's doing the exact thing we should want not just as like a reporter as a sports guy as a, as a sports radio guy. Well, you should want him to say the correct honest thing like what do you I'm very confused by this term, say it after say it after the series, I don't want to begin.

I don't want to begin the series under. Well, this is probably it for a Thomas because the owner just said we're poor, we'll get what did he say we'll give it our best shot. He said something like that seems have tighter or bigger pocketbooks, or something like that right, which we know that's, that's like when field and we knew school information. We knew feel there was going to be gone and they're like, well, you are going to give him four years 100, and it's not going to happen but we're going to see but I, I could be wrong.

I like Willy Adamas a lot. Prince Fielder was, at least to my Brewers fandom like a much more important figure to there's a Braun and Fielder with, you know, like, I don't know Paul I think some people younger feel about that, feel the way about Willie we did about them. That's, I mean, like so when, when Prince got the deal that he did it was mammoth like you're like whoa like that was not, not because Oh, what was me Brewers but like he got like a lot of money more than obviously he was ended up being worth. Grant what number would really get that would have you be like, oh, like, that was close enough that I wish we could like it's going to end up being like, I've not seen projections I have no research on this. Is he being valued at like a $200 million contract.

I, I don't know, I'm gonna make 34 Korea makes 33 Seager makes 32 bets makes 30. That means the only thing he needs to do to to eclipse 200 million is to get a five year deal. I mean, this isn't about there's no salary cap right we know that we were not for 25, but I'm saying even if they don't want to be 25.

Yeah, I don't know, that's what I'm saying like I think this isn't even like Oh well the tight purse strings or whatever this is. There are markets that can flippantly overpay, and it's not. I don't know, you know sucks if we did that remember the thing where we traded Josh hater and we were in first place and we all got mad about it.

Yeah, but then it brought us all these guys. Yeah. I mean at this point, should we have just traded Willie.

Exactly. I mean, honestly, if this was the shit you're going to do in the playoffs. I mean, what was it, by the way, what was his final stat line in the playoffs this year. Did he have a hit. Wasn't he old for nine had he had a single, he had a 11 at bats, and two hits he had a hit last week that is like 2011 were fielder and Bron got to the NLCS and went like two for 40. But this all goes back though to what you've said Bart and there is, you should not play a six month regular season with a one and a half month lead up to it to be done in the middle of a week, Tuesday through Wednesday. You guys keep you guys keep saying this and I guess I don't inherently disagree but what's the alternative do you want them to play 20 game series, it's 162 game season you're never going to have a rep, get rid of the playoffs, but minimum minimum five. That's that's picking nits, that's nearly representative of here, I got this great, I got this great thing that I want to show you that I was looking at.

I don't there was a website long time ago stats by Lopez. This is an article from a few years ago but as I pull this up. I do want to remind you about happy place hemp calm promo code is Bart 25% off each and every order happy place hemp, the promo code is Bart gummies the CBD CBN ones have been helping me greatly. As I try to sleep. The minute I get home because my kid at office school the other day had to get up.

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Each and every time that you go there. programming note also Horvat's got shit going on so no Horvat picks this week. All right, here is this. This is. I'm going to put the link on the bottom if anyone's interested as well.

And now I realized that I am broadcasting towards video and not audio but there's a YouTube. So, essentially. There's a chart that says coin flips and predetermined. And this is trying to measure who actually has a playoffs, where the best team wins. And what they've done the stats on is that in the NBA their playoffs. 80% of the time, the best team wins in the postseason for these other leagues to get to that. The MLB would have to play a best of 75 series. NHL would have to play best of 51, and the NFL would have to play a best of 11.

So obviously there's going to be some variants. When it comes to Major League Baseball I think my biggest issue is that you play 162 games. Again, 28 hours, you should not have a whole, and then, and like grant you had a tweet about it too, where they didn't show up in game one you're like, not only that, are they on the road half a year, they got another month that they're in either Florida or Arizona.

So you have all that time, just to give your fans 28 hours, and most of the time the series are smack in the middle of an afternoon. And you're like, where did the playoffs, where did they even go when I'm in the playoffs. I just want to feel like I'm in the playoffs.

I want buildings to start to be lit up I want signs to be available at pick and save. I want that kind of shit. The NBA you get that even if you get bounced the NFL, it's, it's a shorter thing and it's its own favorite thing. It's all week long build up to we're in the playoffs in baseball you're like seasons over in two days you're gonna play at 130. And if you don't win two games, you are out by the next night at dinner time. That is just unacceptable to me. There's another way that you haven't said it yet, but the White Sox players who had obviously the terrible record that they did their commitment to the season was only like 66 hours, less than playoff team players like it you know like they say okay well I get to book my trip to wherever at the end of the season I'm going to go on this vacation, like, it shouldn't only be two and a half three days later before playoff teams like the Orioles getting swept like like the Astros getting swept the fuck the Astros it's, it's too.

It's too soon after what had just happened and so like, Grant if you're opposed to the earth, you know, if you take offense to like the idea of what, what do you want then. I know that it'll never be a thing and I don't even think it would be if I was running baseball I would not do what I'm about to say but if you want the right winner air quotes the right winner. I would say the regular season winner is the winner, and then maybe you do a best of 11 between the AL best record the NL best record, though, even now with as much as the two divisions play each other like conference played like.

I don't know, maybe it's not even. You don't even need the two separate al al and nl but that's how they do it in the prim. Right.

And I figured that's what part I don't know if parts mentioned that nationally yet but you should have given his expertise in that area. You know what pisses me off about the Premier League, is that the NFL is playing all these games overseas. NHL there's a game on right now in Chechnya. NBA is in Abu Dhabi today. Yeah, at least that's preseason but they do play a game in Paris MLB starts in, you know, Korea or Asia or somewhere, Japan, one of those countries on that side of the, that's all I'm saying one of the countries on the eastern hemisphere. But the Premier League won't play over here for a game they're like, they're like fuck no we would never do that. And our leagues are all like eating money.

What about them. I just think the format. Well, the format debates are, I think it's loser talk, the Brewers are the only team that struggles with this when the fucking games you had leads, you had multiple leads. The Mets and the Tigers, and the Padres. What about them, the Royals, maybe not them but they all have clear advantages coming into this weekend.

Not necessarily. The home teams don't matter it's like home teams have won the last 25 games like five times in baseball playoffs. So what are you what what do you want. I want. What I want is a 14 playoff.

In each league, but that won't happen, and I want best of seven right away, but that won't happen because baseball by adding by adding the five and six seeds, they got the Atlanta Mets double header thing, they got the Tigers which had a shot, because in the wild card races, the five and six team in both leagues were like four or five games behind the four seat so those would have been done the last week of the season, they're trying to get excitement and other teams involved when it's watering down their they fuck. It's like, well this thing I'm complaining about. They don't care. It's like, they just don't care.

I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna complain to my neighbor because there's a part of a patch of grass that's not growing well and it's not, but it's behind his garage you don't see it you don't give a shit that they don't care. They don't they. The thing that I think is a massive problem to them is not an issue.

Mm hmm. They don't care. They've got Dodgers against the Padres. They've got tigers against the guardian against the Royals, they've got Mets against the Phillies.

They've got divisional round series, being actually division around series. They've got the Yankees alive. They've got the Dodgers alive.

They can be like, oh, quirky tigers. Look, they got everything that you could possibly want in these final eight. They don't give a fuck if teams playoffs end in 28 fucking hours. It's the Brewers fault. They can win their games. They're allowed to win these games. I agree. I agree. You asked about the format.

I'm not, once the Brewers won game two, any format thing for me is over. But here we are. Then what are we talking about? You asked the question. Paul started it. Maybe.

I actually don't know. Well, the 28 hour thing, that sucks. Well, yeah. I'm mad at the Brewers about it too. So I think, I'm sure we've talked about this. I'm pissed that everyone kept saying, this team is different.

They technically should have been. Do you think everyone else is enjoying this part, by the way? Do you think you're the only one bothered by what's happened this week? Is that what this is? I think he's the only Brewers fan.

Let me get your back here for that. I think he's the only Brewers fan who has to dissect it live on the National Airways. And I mean the only. Yeah, that's probably true. We had a unique experience.

No, I'm. Especially as he's being produced by a Mets fan, who won't stop playing the fucking Mets new song, or whatever that was. Oh my god. Which I also did not know about. I didn't know about that till Monday.

Also, Bassey's farm is awesome. Also, I don't think that's where he went, because I saw a picture and it didn't look like it. But it could have been.

That's really far to have traveled. Did you see my? No, I'm back tweeting, I guess. But I think Pete Alonso got that pumpkin from the farm where I was standing when I believe it was one of you that texted me that Devin Williams broke his hand.

I did break that news to you. I was at the farm where Pete Alonso then got the pumpkin. She would have gone to that farm a couple of weeks ago. Maybe Devin would have punched. I mean, they win that game if McGill throws the ninth last night. McGill had it. He had it. All three games of the series, he came in and blew guys away and then mother effed his way back to the dugout.

Why didn't we walk Alonso? The guy coming out was shit. Also, I know we are in the narrative business. But Bart, you said this, and I'll reiterate it, because this was not like a me saying what you said.

This is me also having this independent thought. When the announcers said this could be his last bat as a mat, it was fucked. I left the room right then. Clearly, that's a silly thing to say, clearly that it had no impact on the play, but I felt that.

My reaction, and I was actually watching live, was, oh, fuck. There is no like, I got to the point where I knew it was going to happen. That sucks. This is loser coping behavior. That's what this is. It's not.

Yes, it is. It's past behavior is the best predictor for future behavior. Because people like you, you say in every moment like that in every game, he's going to fucking blow it. And 9 out of 10 times, he doesn't. I don't think he's going to blow it based on the situation at hand. I think he's going to blow it because, oh, my god, I've seen this movie before. I'm actually, this is a rerun.

You didn't think he was going to blow it. You had already known he was going. It was already foretold.

Yeah. This was a rerun. You and Paul knew it. I knew it. I knew Williams didn't have it.

I would have pulled him out with a finger. No, I didn't. I'm not, don't do that to me.

Well, it's adjacent. That's all I'm saying. I didn't know that Devin didn't had it, whatever. It's just that moment where it's 2-0, and there's a guy at the plate who can hit a three-run home run.

It's going to happen. It's nothing to do with Devin Williams having it or not having it. You know who led the Major Leagues in three-run home runs this year? You know who hit a shitload of them in the regular season?

It was Willie Adames. Hell of a series that he had, by the way. And also, Contreras, did you want to fucking be there last night?

Not to be body language police. He looked like this game was an obstacle for him to clear before he could go do the thing he actually wanted to do. Was he farmed in the snow in 2008? He looked like he didn't want to be out there in his last at bat. If he was hurt, fine, then sit down.

Eric Haas can do it, too. But he was hurt, wasn't he? Isn't that why you gave him a cut? Yeah, he had a scratchy knee. But do you not want to bend over and catch, or are you incapable of putting together a good at bat?

Because it looked more like the latter. We haven't gotten to a topic yet. Let me ask one, because it will just keep the conversation going. And I think I know how you're both going to answer, but I'll give you a back story before I ask it. In the 2018 playoffs, I remember walking into the game and texting with probably you, Bart, but also with another buddy about the game. And I was like, the question, the idea was around, is this going to be, it was before the defining game to go to the World Series. And I asked, is tonight going to be fun to watch or stressful to watch?

And the answer he gave was, oh my gosh, stressful to watch. And I wasn't going to go to that game and have fun throughout it. So it was going to be a stressful viewing until the final pitch, win or lose. So this could just be my enjoyment of the sport of baseball compared to my enjoyment of the NBA, compared to my enjoyment of the NFL.

But I'll ask it to you this way. Unlike the playoffs and other pro sports, MLB playoffs are not fun to watch your team. They're just stressful to watch your team. Or notice I said, unlike the others, which means you would say you have more fun, even in losses, watching your team lose in the NFL playoffs, watching your team lose in the NBA playoffs. So to me, and I'll just, so I'm obviously, I love watching the NFL. Of course, it sucks to watch a Packers loss. I'm a huge Bucs fan. Of course, it sucks to watch the Bucs lose. But I separately from that enjoy the content that leads to the outcome in the NFL, in the NBA, far more than major league baseball, which I think- Are you talking about you enjoy a Packer, like you're enjoying the Packer game and then they lose and it sucks, but you're enjoying the game? Yes, that's what I'm saying. Whereas in baseball, now I'm not saying this in the regular season, because the regular season- Oh no, mm-mm.

Oh, interesting. Oh, the one I enjoy the least is the NBA. Facts.

Oh my God. The NBA is the worst. Because it's, you know, in baseball, you're like building up to big moments. But in the NBA, it's just, it's constant. And even in the NFL, it's like drives. In the NBA, it's like score, score, up five, three point shot. Oh, it's just, it's just exhausting.

And it is from the jump. It's the most exhausting. So I'm saying- It's exhausting, but I didn't say exhausting.

I said stressful. I would put the two feelings in a similar bucket. It's like, I think of it this way. Like, I'm not proud to admit I'm a nail biter still at my age, but like- Like when you're nervous?

No, well, I don't know. It's just a bad habit, but like- I bite my nails and I want to cut them. Yeah, that's probably also true.

Or pick them. But I'm not like- No, no. Yeah, shaking my teeth. But I would say like, so playoff baseball with your team, for me, it's not a fun watch. Like there was, and I have a story for this in a little bit, but like there was a moment during game two of this Mets series, which of course was like the Churio home run and then the Mitchell home run, which are now such afterthoughts, even though they just happened, that I don't know.

So Grant, so Bart, you at least, it sounds like Grant, you agree with him. I did not know you were going to say the NBA, but I don't know. For me, it's all just restated, but unlike the playoffs and other pro sports, MLB playoffs are not fun to watch your team. They're stressful to watch your team.

So Grant, you're also mm-mm because NBA? Well, I just think the NBA is, basketball is the worst. If you win, it's like you got away with it.

You're not celebrating. It's like, okay, we didn't lose. Especially the NBA, because we do it.

We can do more long form on this at a different time. But the NBA, I think has jumped the shark. I just think that, whatever.

Baseball, the good moments are as good as anything. I'm worried, yeah. Don't we get to jump the shark? I was jumping up and down off my couch last night when Freelick hit that bomb. I haven't done that in a Packer game. And I did that Packer's playoff game.

Because I think baseball can create legendary moments like that out of nowhere. Yep. You're saying that the baseball playoffs suck because the Brewers have lost 10 of 12. No shit, they suck.

That's miserable. If they're- Again, I would say this in reference to like even a conversation in 2018. So there were fewer kicks to the balls at that point. There were still several. Oh, that was fun. That whole thing was fun. That was a fun, that was a fun- I'm saying specifically- They won games, they advanced. I wonder why it was a good time in 2018.

I'm not trying to be a dick. I just- You just start watching the game and you're like, God, kill me. Yes. I think that's what I do during the regular season too. Like that's, we're bowlers fans. How could you watch anything differently? I would say, so Grant, I think your point that I really resonate with, despite us having different answers is like, I will always, unfortunately, remember Chris Taylor's diving catch in 2018. So the good moments are really good. The bad moments are really bad.

So baseball, to your point, it lives on the extremes of like, well, playoff baseball, excuse me. It lives in moments. Like it's not about like a good three hour, like this is, oh, what a great shot. What a great pass. What a great play. What a great cut.

What a great way. It's moments. And actually I had not thought of this as the parallel to something I was gonna mention otherwise, but like what the game two moments reminded me of, and had we talked and done this right after the Churio and Mitchell game two home runs was like, Bart, you'll appreciate this more than Grant from a wrestling fan perspective. But what Royal Rumble was it? Like during a time period of like 2012, when anyone that was like everyone wanted Daniel Bryan to just finally be anointed. And instead they're like, here's fucking Sheamus. And you're like, you hate the thing you're watching because it's like, we all just, this is so obvious.

But then you wade through the shit and you crawl through the mud and it's just garbage and you hate it. And then Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania happens. And it's this moment. And this is what made me think of it is like baseball is WrestleMania. Like it's not about having a good card or having a great event.

It's about like, there's gonna be three moments you remember and that's baseball for better and for worse, that's baseball is like it's moments, which to me apparently are very, they're very memorable. I don't know if I'm having, you don't know when they're coming, right? Like you don't know, like it's not like.

I did, I knew the home run was coming. Well, okay, you knew the one, the one exception. But like.

The worst kind of people. But in the meantime. I'm not, how am I supposed to, I'm not saying like, I'm not saying Grant that like, oh, I, I'm not being like the guy in major league.

They're like, they're gonna blow. I actually knew. Like I knew, like I knew, knew, knew, knew, knew, knew. Like it was knowledge that like, like I know the sky is blue. It's I knew it.

It was real information that I knew. You have anything else on this? I have one other baseball. We can do one more, one more quick one.

I'm gonna pick up my kid and I think I'm gonna tell him no park today and that's gonna be a fucking disaster. I'm gonna ask this in the context of Devin Williams, but of course you can apply it however you want. The clutch gene in sports is a real thing. Mm-hmm or mm-mm.

I don't, I don't, I wanna say yes. I wanna say mm-hmm, but I think it's more of just like not being nervous or not choking. So the thing I'll bring up before you guys say more though is the context of the question is obviously with Devin Williams, but they've done these in when, and I know this happens in the NFL. They can wear these heart monitors and they do. And the players who are the quarterbacks, especially who are the best, it's usually not coincidence. It's the guys who maintain a steady heart rate in the biggest moments. Like it's extremely scientific of that nature. Before like 15 years ago, especially in baseball, I would have said anything to do with clutch is just noise, like data, data noise.

Like it's gonna eventually normalize. And then I found out about these heart rate things that players can wear. And though the sample size is still extremely small with like, you know, Josh Hader blowing it for the Tigers against with Houston, Devin Williams. If you look at like someone posted today, Devin Williams playoff stats versus his regular season stats, this could be totally wrong, but his stats, albeit small sample size in the playoffs would tell you he's probably a heart rate guy where he's definitely nervous.

Like statistically it's so improbable that you could be so different between regular season and post-season performance. But all of that to say, whether or not you believe in the quote unquote clutch gene as being a real thing or not, there are players who maintain a steady heart rate throughout regardless of the moment. And not surprisingly, those guys are the ones that perform well in bigger moments, anyway, clutch gene grant or a real thing.

On some level, I think of it more as an energy or an attitude that you wanna be out there and that you're jacked up to be out there. Like I don't buy into the athletes that are like stone face, stone cold. Like I want the guy who's like smiling, looking like he's chomping at the bit. Like Jackson Churio is 20 and was everywhere in the series. And if you watched his face and you watched his mannerism, he couldn't wait. He was in the batter's box. He was so excited for the pitch to get to home plate. He couldn't wait that split second for the ball to get there. He was so excited to just fucking clock one like multiple times and McGill and Mears and Freddie. Like interesting sliding doors moment. Like if Freddie comes in and stinks it up, like there are takes, but he didn't think it up.

So like gamer, right? Like wanted the ball, wanted to be out there. Williams, like I don't, I buy more into those guys than I do the guys who's like, I'm emotionless. You can't fucking shake me. Like, I just, I don't know. I don't buy that.

I know that's not really the answer that you were looking for, but that's the best one that I think I can provide. Bart, any other thoughts on that? No, I, no, but then yes.

When I started my show last night, I thought my reaction to the Brewers last, I thought I delivered a good segment. And I'm thinking to myself, I don't want to do this. I don't want, this is not, but I have to. I didn't want to wake up this morning.

There's not a single thing that I've done since the end of that game that I've actually wanted to or enjoyed doing. Sometimes when you're, you just have to do something and you draw on what you know, that got you to that moment and you just do it. And for some of these guys, I think that like a lot of times, I feel like, and I don't know, Grant, if you've got this, but sometimes I don't always feel like, and even this is just radio, but I don't feel like I'm always, like I'm in a different zone. Like I'm in a different, it's not like me talking. I mean, I go, I'm in a different zone. You got to take yourself to a different place. You put yourself on like shuffleboard or whatever. Yeah, and you have to do that maybe on the field as well.

And some of these guys just, I don't know. I think that was, I think I should have just said no to Paul's question and ended the program. That's fine.

Here's the last one. I'll end you on a high note and this will be somewhat non-sports related, but I was gonna text this to you, Bart and Carlos, you are the executive producer of the Bart Winkler National Show. So you should be listening to this. You should be listening to everything Bart does. You can know his content.

But I was gonna text you this. I'm convinced of the following Bart. Like, and you don't have to, you can cut this out of the pot if you want, but like Carlos is like the perfect guy for you. He's the perfect like side guy. It's unbelievable that you stumbled into this.

Like, so here's my side question for that. His hit rate on drops, he loves drops. I think the drops are great.

Keep doing them, Carlos, if you're listening to this. His hit rate on drops is greater than 75% or mm-mm. I don't know how to answer that. I just wish I had my own drops. No, I think it's better that you don't though. Cause you'd have some good ones, but it's most fun when you're surprised by when there's a good one, you know, or, and actually even actually when you're angry that there's a bad one. Like you're like, I don't want that right now. Yeah.

Like that makes it more fun that you're not controlling it. I want to hear a drop that I used on Bill's show the other day that's was super funny and now not funny literally at all anymore. You want to hear it? Yeah.

Off your weight, you fat. Hit a three run game winning, game winning home run. That guy hit. Who? I don't know what that is. I don't either. It's Frank Fleming.

Off your weight, you fat. See, like Frank Barstool, it's just like, it's like, he's the, he's the Met fan. And the guy from McAfee show is the Packer fan.

I don't know. I don't, I don't like how that happens, but I'm glad he's happy. I'm indifferent on the fact that he's happy. I would like it for it to be our turn once to be happy. And by the way, by be happy, advance to the divisional round.

Yeah. I just wanted to watch the game on Saturday with a group of dudes. Last year, my only standard for happiness was possibly win one playoff game and have our hometown hero manager want to stay. So we went 0-1 last year. This year, my entire standard was beating the shit Mets to go to the divisional round.

So we're 0-2 now in two years. And also, God, people were crying in the clubhouse last night. All the players, Euchre came down, hugged everyone, was crying.

I don't need to, why is this shit put on us? Sorry to swear a lot. Do we think Euchre's done? There's a good chance. He's old. He only did one game of the series, didn't he? Yeah, he did yesterday because he was under the weather apparently. I listened to the whole game yesterday.

He did the first couple innings and then he jumped back on the mic in the ninth. So, good work, Brewers, on that one. Really, whatever. I want to go home. All right, well. Do you want to host my show tonight?

I don't want to host my show. I'm going to talk a lot of Atlanta Falcons tonight. I watched the fourth quarter in overtime of the game. I don't remember a single play. I sat there looking right at it with the sound on. I could not tell you one thing that happened. And I was locked in on that as I've ever been in on a football game.

I couldn't tell you one thing that happened. I've got the Packers over the Rams this weekend. All right, guys, appreciate your time.

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