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Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live as usual. If you want to give me a call. The number is 8772072276.

And you can also email me info at carm.org, info at carm.org, and put in the subject line, radio comment, or radio question. All right, today's date is uh Let's see, August 13th, 2026, last night. I talked about doing this and I I did it. I went to a local Eastern Orthodox Church. And I was there for an hour and then had a discussion afterwards for an hour.

Oh man. And so I have my notes here. This was the Holy Transfiguration Antioch and Orthodox Church. Yeah. And as Susie, I'm going to tell you about this.

This is good stuff. I took a lot of notes during the service, a lot of them. Uh well you know border credit I review, but uh So, uh Let's see. You go in there, and there's incense going on. There's incense.

And icons everywhere, all the walls, there's images of people in this. Get this, this is for real. Oh man. In the center of the room. There was a coffin.

And there was somebody in there. There's a body in there. I asked later, what is this? And they said it's a recent person who died recently. It's a person who died recently, past few days.

And so they had the the body in an open coffin in the church. And at the head of the coffin was an icon of Mary. And at one point they all lined up and bent down is about chest high for most people, bent down and kissed the icon of Mary. Right in front of this coffin.

Now, you know, if A lot of churches wouldn't put a body in the church. I don't have a problem with it. It's just, you know, it's a cultural thing, doesn't mean it's right or wrong. But uh it was interesting and um And then they started singing. They were singing.

And the singing went on for like Fifty minutes? Wow, it's hard to describe. The way they would sing words, you know, we pray for thee. And you say, and if you go and we look to Theotoka, they would just say these, they would just, it's like singing words, not like songs. but they would chant words, long words, in tones.

And this went on And on and on. and on. They read the Lord's Prayer very quickly. And I've got my glasses here because different different paracas. Hard to read in my notes.

And um They read the Lord's Prayer, And uh in this singing they asked Mary to deliver them. They mentioned the Theotokos, which is the god bearer, it's Mary. they beseeched the Virgin, they made the sign of the cross, asked the Virgin to come to their aid. Pure idolatry. in this church.

Um And we got a call from Scotland, so I don't want to have the guy wait a long time. Uh and I'm gonna Say one more thing, then I'm going to get to the caller and get back to this. But they had a priest in there swinging an incense thing. and making sounds with like Timbrils in this device that they would swing, and while everybody's chanting this song thing that they would do, and uh it Yeah. And it went on and on.

I'm going to read you some more stuff and just casually go through. I wrote a couple hundred words. I won't what it was. And I'll tell you what happened afterwards.

So let's get to Stephen from Scotland. Steve, welcome, man. You're on the air. Hello, good evening Matt from a very late uh Scotland, the land of kilts. Oil, and last but no means least, John Knox.

And John Knox and Lockerbie. That's right. I watched a whole series on Lockerbie. uh recently on the the plane crash. Yeah.

But uh yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was a pretty bad uh pretty bad uh plane crash. Yeah, it was a good one. I was scrolling through TikTok.

Not long before your show started here. And I came across. Uh a museum uh live stream. Mohammed is bad as Jesus. Could be wrong.

And that always irks me. And I just cannot pass it without intervening and saying something.

So I jumped in. I thought, man, this is pretty clear cut. Uh, Mohammed's a sinner. Jesus wasn't. End of Um but when I go into the conversation, Um the the Muslims that we're speaking with they they don't believe in um Yeah.

He said you have unintentional and intentional sin. Adam and Eve. didn't know right from wrong, good from evil, when God told them not to eat the apple.

So they ate the apple. They did like a baby doesn't know right from wrong, good from evil.

So therefore, there was no sin. Uh how did you develop out that mat? Yeah, that's dumb. Yeah, no, God said, don't eat of the tree. And so that's the law.

And they broke the law. That's sin.

So for them to say that, it's just ridiculous. Yeah. I have an article on Carm, who's a better example of how to live, Muhammad or Jesus? Yeah. Uh-huh.

Yeah, but as I was That there was they they never committed sin because they didn't know right from wrong, good from evil, the unintentional and intentional. Excellent. I don't didn't didn't know we had any art close. On the Specifically. Yeah, and in fact, I'm looking for a verse.

There's a verse in the Bible. That says, even if you're unaware of a sin and you commit it, you're in trouble. 1 Corinthians 4:4, For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted, but the one who examines me is the Lord. He's saying, I don't know of anything myself that I've done wrong, but it doesn't mean I'm okay. That's what he's saying.

And so it's 1 Corinthians 4.4.

So uh the Muslims um They're under the religion of the devil. And the devil is the one who would create a religion where people are executed. where you can have lots of women. Where you dominate, you oppress, lying's okay, and things like this spread by death. and threats.

Uh that's the religion of the devil. And so it's hard to work with them because they're so brainwashed. And to say that Muhammad is the best of examples, I forgot what it was. Surah 3321 or something like that. Anyway, so.

When they say Adam and Eve didn't know what sin was because there wasn't any law, yes, there was. God said, don't eat to the tree, that's the law.

Okay. Yeah. He went on he w he went on about the uh unintentional have a baby, you know, doesn't know this kind of sin and therefore they cannot send in the ghost. Yeah, that doesn't make sense because if you don't know something's wrong and you do it, God says, Oh, that's okay.

So if you didn't know that murdering someone was wrong, I guess that's okay then? Yeah, that's their logic. And just always saying, I mean, there was, you know, I see it quite often: Muhammad is better than Jesus, and it's like, wow, what? What a statement. Yeah, it is.

You know, Muhammad had said to kill the infidels, Jesus taught us to love our enemies. Many people died in the presence of Muhammad, but no one ever died in the presence of Jesus. Muhammad maimed people. Jesus healed them. Muhammad's only alleged miracle is the Koran, Jesus performed many miracles.

Muhammad was a sinner. And Jesus was never a sinner. even though the Quran is such that. Muhammad was not virginally born, but Jesus was. Muhammad owns slaves.

Jesus said not. Go ahead. Yeah. Does it say in the Quran that Muhammad was a sinner? Or did I hear you wrong?

It says he sinned, according to the Quran, in Surah 40, 55. Obtain it.

Okay. Okay, thank you very much. Yeah, I'll get the verse and read it. Um You can check it out. Sure.

So be patient, Muhammad. Indeed, the promise of Allah is truth. And ask forgiveness for your sin and exalt Allah with praise. Very interesting. Because I took him to Psalm 51, verse 5, whereas in the womb we were conceived in sin, and I explained to him how Jesus was not conceived in sin because he was not born.

He doesn't have a father on earth. He was born through the miracle birth. Of the Holy Spirit through the Buddha Miriam, so that that bloodline of Jesus being a sinner is not there, whereas it is for Muhammad and all of us here. Right. Yeah, I think it's a good idea.

So I didn't take him to new tests and I took him to the old test. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, there's lots in the Old Testament about the law. And what I'll do is I'll ask Muslims, I say, are you doing enough to keep yourself right with Allah? And they always say, Insha'Allah.

In other words, if Allah wills. And in fact, when I talk to Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholics, they say the same thing.

Well, if God wills, we'll be saved. It's the same thing because both teachers. Salvation by faith and works.

So you can never know if you've done enough good works. That's why they say that. Yeah. All right, brother. Thank you so much for taking my call, especially from Scotland.

I really appreciate it. You know, I still is calling all the way from Scotland. It's not free to call you here in Scotland if we don't have the free phone number.

So I do have minutes, but I get some minutes in my mobile package. It isn't expensive.

So thank you so much for taking the call, Matt. I really appreciate it. Hey brother, you're welcome, man. Call any time. Love to get over to Scotland too sometime to see you 'cause uh and see you and others love to go to Scotland.

I just yeah you know come to Edinburgh, but go and visit John Knox when he lived there in Edinburgh. Edinburgh, right? It's Edinburgh. Edinburgh. That's right.

We'll get you we'll get you a kilt and we'll get you we'll get you into a Scots man.

Well, you never know. You know, my daughter's got friends in Scotland. She went there by herself and made a bunch of friends. And so, of course, she's really good looking, though.

So she stands out. She's an immoderate. And so that helps me because she would turn heads, man. They'd stare at her, walk. I've seen it when I'm with her.

But I turn heads too, but it's for a completely different reason. Yeah. Uh-huh. All right, yeah, y y y you turn head so you've got the mantilla on, right? That's right.

And then you see them hold your mouth while their stomachs are convulsed. That's exactly right. That's right. I turn a lot of heads and apparently some stomachs too.

So there you go.

Sorry, but Well, take care, brother, and God bless. All right, you two, man. God bless. Thanks. All right.

No, I've seriously, I've all three of my daughters are really good looking, but one of them, seriously, she's just a model. She looks a model when she I'd be out with her going someplace, and God there are people even women are staring at her because she has that look. that model beautiful face look. And she's oblivious about it. And she goes places and she says, people are so nice to me.

I just go wherever I go. And they're so nice. Everyone's so nice. Yeah, I know why.

So, anyway, but she's a good girl, too. All right, let's get to Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome, buddy. You're on the air. Yeah, hey Matt, yeah, it was a neat phone call.

Just reminded me of my favorite Star Trek engineer. Yeah. Scotty? Mm. Yeah, yeah, but uh That's another story.

I guess my question would be people who pray with other Religions or denominations, even. Like some folks I know they draw a line even within denominations, but I I've had no problem with denominational praying but I I definitely don't pray with other faiths. What what do you have to say about that? Yeah, I won't pray with a Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox or a Mormon because they're false religions. But denominations that adhere to the basics.

Yeah, no problem. Hold on, but we got a break. Hey, Phoebe, you're right back after these wonderful messages. Please stay tuned. We'll be right back.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome to the show. We're just having more stupid conversations in the chat rooms. Oh, man.

A lot of immaturity going on, a lot of fun. All right, Jermaine, you back rudder? Mm. Yeah, anyway, I was saying, yeah, I have no problem praying with Calvary Chapel people or Calvinists or Lutherans or non-denoms, Baptists. Who cares?

I don't care. But the Catholics, no. Uh because they pray to Mary and I won't commit idolatry. Same thing with the Eastern Orthodox, they pray to Mary.

So that's don't m and go uh Mormon doesn't even have a true God, anything, so they're just you know false all the way around.

So yeah, you know, it just depends. As long as that denomination is not heretical, you know, like having affirming women pastors and elders along with homosexuality and things like that, you know, I forget it, I'm not going to pray with them.

So Okay.

Okay, yeah, I think that's fair enough. Good.

Alright ma'am. All right, buddy. All right, talk to you tomorrow. All right, God bless. All right, so as I was saying before the break, last night I went to an Eastern Orthodox service.

And um It was a c a dead body. Wow, in the church sanctuary, which, like I said, I don't have a problem with it. I really don't. But it was a little startling. I went and checked.

And uh So what they did was They had this incense and they had bells.

So I call it smells and bells, okay? incense and things that they would, you know, do. Anyway, so uh It went on. At least, I'm going to say at least 40 minutes. where uh They just would repeat words response given uh while they're kind of singing.

You know, it was just weird. It's hard to describe it. It's just, it's like if you were to take a paragraph of writing and then sing it. Without going into too many tunes, just singing it monotone and then raise a couple of tones for a couple of words, then back down, this kind of thing. Um They mentioned in the singing Augustine and someone named Abigail.

They had a long list of prayer requests for the congregation while they're doing the singing monotone. The people responded occasionally in unison. A priest guy was making sounds with bells. Things Uh maybe timbrels, I don't know. They were singing Theotokos Save Us.

That's Mary. That means they're praying to Mary to save them. This is just blasphemy. All made the sign of the cross during the singing, repeated, response thing, appeal to the Virgin. And then when they mentioned the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, they would give the sign of the cross.

They seem to know when to respond, occasionally, telling me this repetition has been going on for a long time. Because some of it was like, how do they know to respond? And the way they do it.

So it just tells me that the congregation was responding to the people up front singing. This one guy singing. uh this monotone thing. was rev modern All of a sudden, in the congregation, he's just singing. I'm like, what?

And they're all doing it the same way.

So like I said, this tells me they're d they've been doing it a long time. A message of God being ordained, foreign countries. Uh Then there was some singing by the people. A common tune continued mentioning the Theotokos, that's Mary. Uh And let's see, I'm scanning through my notes.

So a rate of oh. Oh, this was interesting. They said, Now let's hear the gospel according to Luke, the gospel according to Luke.

So I'm paying attention. And they sang. Uh About uh the area where Mary was blessed. They called it the gospel. This is, we now hear the gospel from Luke.

And I went, okay. Yeah. Oh my goodness, it was bad. Maybe I misunderstood them, but that's what I thought they said. It'd sing, uh Mentioned the Theotokos again and again, maybe 50, 60 times.

I don't know. Um mentioned the Orthodox Christians as a true church, blah blah blah. Uh then uh Let's see, Maximus the Confessor, they mentioned, and then they were praising the relics of Maximus. They beseeched uh some one I couldn't make out what was going on. People they used the word besiege.

Um Theotokos save us, that's Mary, okay? Still singing this whole time, Oh, Most Holy Theotokos, save us, repeatedly sung it, singing repeated to the Virgin Mary, most holy Theotokos to save again and again they were doing this. Uh mentioned the Virgin repeatedly. long times. Vespers is what they're doing, repeated singing.

Oh, well, touch the sign of the cross. Touching their feet. They would do this thing where they'll be singing and they'd cross, they'd touch your feet. Bye, bro. I don't know what that's about.

Um Okay. And then he said the Our Father prayer, And then a g then a guy did the monotone singing some more. people sang in response, more monotone singing. Saying intercession of the Holy To Diotokos. Morning session prayers.

in a monotone They mentioned relics in Russia. The Theotokos again, people went up in line to show to on how to uh Uh and then kiss the icon in the middle of the room. Listen to what's going on. This one like this for an hour. Uh There's some breaks, there's some stuff, but that's what it was ridiculous.

And I looked around the room. like I said, icons and kissing icons. and uh and stuff. Bells and smells. And I remember thinking, man, these people are so lost.

They're just so trapped in rituals.

Well, anyway, I went outside. and uh I ended up in a conversation with a guy. And uh For an hour he was polite enough, except he became very interruptive. I've noticed that with a lot of people when they get cornered is they start interrupting. and uh a lot.

And then he said, Well, it's just your interpretation of Scripture. And then he's I'm so giving references for things, quoting scripture repeatedly, and he didn't like it. He said, well, anybody can just quote mine or just take take verses out of context. And so he was frustrated because I was I was Quoting scriptures. And then he would reference something, and I would say, Yeah, that's this verse.

I'd say, Oh, yeah, that's verse. I'd give him the Yeah. Didn't mean to irritate him, but well, yeah, that's that verse. That's what this says, yeah. And he says, Yeah, you've got to learn the context.

And I wanted to say to the guy, oh, That's a new concept I've never known for all these decades. Reading something in context. Wow, why did I think of that? Because it's so ridiculous.

Well, you're taking it out of context.

Well, what's the context?

Well, I don't know, but you're taking it out of context. Then how do you know I'm taking it out of context? And So get this. It's so. Um So he he was saying that salvation is tied to His church.

And I was thinking about this later. What it is, is salvation by church membership. Salvation by church membership. And as simple as that is, that's what it is. And Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox both say there's no salvation outside of their churches.

You've got to belong to the true church in order to be saved, salvation by church membership. Not membership in the household of God. Christ himself is the head and we are regenerate. No, it's salvation by church membership, church association, the true church. This is so clearly demonic.

Yeah, salvation isn't founded in just trusting in Christ. and just what he did by faith. Yeah. You've got to believe that, but you have to belong to God's true church. Because without the membership of the true church, without the priesthood, you can't have the sacraments and you can't have grace infused into you and given to you so that you can continue to work for salvation.

Heresy upon heresy upon heresy. Heresy. And I'll show you some more stuff we talked about when we get back. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. I'll be right back.

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All right, so we had this conversation. I'm going to read you something here. And I have done this with so many people lately. and it really trips them up. For the people who say that Jesus, you know, the Eucharist, the body and blood.

of Jesus is really the body and blood.

Alright, so uh I'm going to go through this and talk about this a little bit, and also something else I talked about. And and the blindness of this gentleman. He was a nice enough guy, but man, a blindness was just so profound.

So If people say, well, look. Jesus said in John 6, 51, For the life of the world is my flesh. That's what he's saying. Eat this bread. You will live forever.

The bread which I also give for you, the life of the world, is my flesh. He says, right there, Matt, he says, the Eucharist is true because the bread is the flesh. It says it. You said it. I said, what verse is that?

Good, I know it. I know where they're gonna go and I want them to go there. And it's John 6.51.

Okay? If anyone eats of this bread, he'll live forever. And the bread also which I give for the life of the world is my flesh. They say, See, the Eucharist is his. His uh body.

And I say, okay.

Well, let's look at the previous verse. This is the bread which comes down out of heaven.

so that one may eat of it and not die.

So I asked him. Did his I say is the bread his body? They say, yeah. He says the bread came down out of heaven. Did his physical body come down out of heaven?

And they immediately see it. And I've had people say, well, yes. No, his physical body did not descend from heaven.

Well, spiritually it did. You know, it's the way you gotta rub your forehead and you just you know, you just shake your head and you go, Yeah. Uh-huh. Where is uh Arnold would say on happy days, Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Oh yeah.

And so I'd say, Well, well, let me ask you, did the bread come down out of heaven? Yes. That's Jesus? Yes. That's his physical body?

Finally, they'll say, well, no, but so you admit it's symbolic. You admit, then, it's a metaphor. Because if it was literal, then it has to be that his body, which is the bread, came down out of heaven. But that's not the case, is it? And you can hear crickets for a few seconds while their brains are screaming to find a way out of this.

And well, all I know is the Bible says, and I go, oh, so you're ignoring what Jesus Himself said?

So, this is the kind of stuff I ran by this guy. Another thing I ran by, and he couldn't answer it. He just wasn't able to deal with it, he changed the topic. And so, and that was really interesting. I do this with a lot of people in different conversations, and they see this and they just ignore it.

Why? Because they're more loyal to their church than they are to God's word. And like this guy. You said, well, we gave you the Bible. I said, no, you didn't.

God did. He said, No, the church gave you the Bible. I said, No, the Old Testament is 72% of the Bible. Did your church give us the Old Testament? And you know, he did what to do.

Because I'm asking this tough question. If you say yes, well, it's not true. Your church didn't give us the Old Testament. Romans 3:2 says God trusted the Jews with the oracles of God. He trusted him.

And so God gave us the word, and the Christians recognize it.

Well, who are the true Christians? He wants to know it's his church. He says, no, it's a body of believers. The body of believers, that's who the true church is. Because Jesus, the Bible says that, okay?

Um And it says it in 1 Corinthians 12, 12 and 13: Even as there's one body, yet many members, all the members of the body. Although there are many, one body is also of Christ. And then you go to Ephesians 1:22, and he put all things in subjection under his feet and gave him his head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him, who fills all in all. And Ephesians 4:12, for the equipping of the saints, for the work of service, to the building up the body of Christ. What they like to do, what false religions like to do, is say, no, the church, our true church, our physical church, our church has apostolic authority.

We have a tie to the original apostles. Mormons teach this, the resurrection. Oh, it's going to be the restoration. Right? Oh man.

The Catholics and East Orthodox all say, well, hey, look, it's our church. We have apostolic authority. And so. when they do that I say, Really? says your church doesn't have apostolic authority Oh.

If they had feathers, you'd see them stand up, get their feathers get ruffled, if they had feathers. What you see is usually a shift of posture from one foot to another foot. And they go, yes, we do. No, you don't. In Matthew 10, 1 through 8, Jesus gave the authority to the apostles to heal every kind of sickness, every kind of disease, cast out demons, raise the dead, cleanse lepers.

On command it was done repeatedly in the book of Acts. I've said this home on the radio many times, repeatedly. I said, they did this, so great crowds are following them. Great crowds. And I said, Your church isn't doing that.

Oh, yes, it does. Yeah. See, really? Where's that? And he says, Don't you have the documentation to show that's happened?

And I said, You know what? An Eastern Orthodox guy, and I'm thankful. He brought to me or he sent me documentation. documentation of different miracles that occurred Um to his church. And I said, Really?

I gave it to me. And uh So I wrote an article on July 27th. Do historical miracles prove the apostolicity of Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy? And I took All of what this guy gave me. and I went through and averaged everything out.

to all these miracles, some were just generic. Um You know, like uh a dove descended from heaven and settled upon this one guy's head. Pope's name. That's a miracle. Yeah, a bird's lens on guy's head.

Look, it's a miracle. You know, it's not a miracle, so I said it's not a miracle. And then one place, you know, recorded visions of his impending martyrdom. That's a miracle, it's apostolic authority. He says, no, Protestants do this too.

We've got it recorded. There's things like this. It's not an apostolic gift.

So, what comes down? What is an apostolic gift?

Well, that's something that the apostles themselves could do. And of course, they wouldn't want to do this. I mean, they couldn't do this kind of stuff. And as I was showing, this guy said, there is no place where. You have.

Uh in your church great multitudes following, miracles performed by your people who claim to have authority. and they do it at the command people rising from the dead healing every kind of sickness, repeatedly doing this. And so where is this documentation? And there's none. There it it is.

In fact, when I did my research from the very documentation this one Eastern Orthodox guy gave me. It came out to an average of, where is it? an average I'm trying to scan it. Across 529 years span one miracle every forty point seven years. Yeah.

one miracle over forty point seven years and not all of them are really miraculous. And so I said, is that how your church works? It's just ridiculous. And also, I said to this guy, I said, look. There's no place in the Bible where it says that you have A priest which with special authority excuse me special garments who stands in front of people at an altar in a church and offers represents sacrifices.

I said, That's not in the Bible. And he says we don't just believe in the Bible. I said the Bible says don't exceed what's written. 1 Corinthians 4.6. I kept saying this to him.

Did you guys do this? And you can't even find your doctrines in God's Word. And You know, all kinds of stuff. These people are so ingrained to Church membership is equal to salvation, salvation by membership. salvation by association with a true organization.

A true church. that has apostolic authority. or connections or the restored gospel from the apostles. That's where our salvation is. No.

Salvation is in Jesus. Jesus says, Come to me, all who are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Math 11. Come to me He didn't say come to the true church and submit to a priesthood that sacrifices. I didn't say that.

See, Jesus has all authority in heaven and earth. Matthew 28, 18 through 20, right? is all authority.

So go to the one who has the authority, he forgives sins. Luke 5:24, He forgives sins. 6:48. He forgives sins. Jesus does this.

He never says pray to Mary. He never says trust a Latter-day Prophet. He says, Come to me. See the simplicity is this. True Christians follow the true shepherd.

We hear the voice of Christ. And Jesus says in in John 10, 5. They won't go after his sheep won't go after another shepherd. the shepherd of Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell, the Pope, The patriarchs. historical pedigree for church authority and succession, we have it.

etcetera. etcetera. No, none of that. It's The opposite. Scripture says.

Trust in Christ. If you want salvation, that's what you have to do. Trust in him, not a prophet. Not a church. Not a system.

Jesus and Him alone. We'll be right back after these messages, please. Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Alright, everybody, welcome back to the show. I guess you're enjoying my rambling and just kind of. Going through and musing about things. Nobody's called.

So that sometimes happens when I do that. Let me uh. Let me continue with this. One of the things I routinely hear From EO and RC, Eastern Orthodox Roman Catholics, in their arrogance and their pride. They say our church gave you the Bible.

You wouldn't even have it if it wasn't for our true church. Mm-hmm. And that kind of Just It irks me. I do get occasionally irked. And that's an irking statement.

It irks me.

So I said, like to this guy last night, we actually talked about it, and others I've spoken about. I said, no. Your church did not give us the Bible. God did. No, he used our true church to get it and recognize it.

And I said, well, a true Christians are the ones who recognized it. And it doesn't mean your church is true. Yes, it does. We have the lineage. It goes back to the truth, a lineage doesn't prove anything.

And I said to this one guy last night, he used that argument. I said, so in a mafia organization, we have a series of guys that traits our lineage back to the start. Does that mean that they're true and good? Of course not. Lineage doesn't mean that it's true and good.

It just means you can allegedly trace what you claim as a lineage back, and then you say, see, there it is. That's why we're true. We're true because so-and-so was after so-and-so, after so-and-so after so-and-so, and that's why we're true. I said to him And I say to them, I say, No, truth is not determined by a pedigree, it's determined by whether or not you're biblical. That's the center of truth.

But they don't want that. They do not want the standard of God's Word, the Bible. What they want is their own standard, either tradition, church authority, or extra-biblical documents. This is how it works. All the devil has to do.

is get you to not believe God's word. What's the first thing you said to uh To um To Eve, I understand the first thing. It was right there when he was in the garden of Adam and Eve in Genesis 3. I'm gonna go through that really quickly. Genesis 3, come on.

I typed it in. There we go. And so it says here, the servant was more crafty of any beast in the field that the Lord God had made, instead of the woman, indeed, has God said, you shall not eat from any tree of the garden.

Now, notice it's not a contradiction, it's a question. Did he say that? It raises the issue of determination of whether or not it's really said. Which includes very cleverly the idea: well, maybe that's not what he meant. Are you sure it's what he said?

And so This is the first thing that Satan does is question the word of God. This is a critical principle. The first thing that Satan did was to doubt or question. The Word of God. Just subtly question it.

What does Mormonism do? Oh, the eighth article. You know, the uh the church uh the Bible's true insofar as it's correctly translated. Yeah. or the EO and the RC.

Well, our church gave you the Bible. We tell you what it really means. And this guy was talking to last night, he says repeatedly, this is just your interpretation of things. I'm just quoting Scripture to him. It's just your interpretation.

People do this to me all the time. I'll quote a verse.

Sometimes I'll quote a verse, they don't even know I'm quoting a verse. you know Said, I make I believe that God makes all things, even the wicked, for the day of destruction. That's not true. I just quoted Proverbs 16:4. And I'll do this repeatedly to people and show them things.

In fact, I was having a discussion today with someone and just trying to get this guy to admit that sin is breaking the law of God. Took five minutes. Supposed to be a Christian. Because they know I'm going somewhere. They know I'm leading them down a path, and they got to resist every single step of the way.

Even when the Word of God says something very clearly, they've got to resist it. Because I'm using it. What is wrong with people? The pride that they have in their hearts, the stubbornness, where they submit the Word of God to their feelings. with her caution.

I don't want you to use God's word against me. You mean when I say 1 John 3:4, and I quote it, it says, sin is lawlessness, and I'm saying that what it says there is sin is the lawlessness, breaking that law. We know that if God says, don't lie, and you lie, you've broken his law, that's sin. Is that correct?

Well, you see, you might be made this me and they give me all these excuses. Because they have such pride and arrogance in their heart that they won't automatically just say, That's what the Word of God says. That's what it says. Just like with John 6, 15-51. The Euch Eucharist.

I'm the bread that came down out of heaven, and the bread's his flesh. Did his flesh come down out of heaven? They they get stuck with these kinds of questions and they don't know how to answer them. And they don't trust me because my last name's slick.

Okay, I don't blame them for that. But heck, and I'm reading stuff to them, and they resist, they resist, they resist. It's really funny. The sheep hear the voice of Christ. They just listen to what Jesus says.

That's why we want to go hear sermons. You want to hear what the Word of God says. But Like in this church service, this so-called church service, of this so-called true church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, I went to last night, just singing, no preaching.

Now, I'm not judging all their services by this one service.

Okay, not doing that. They said, You need to come back on a Sunday for the Divine Liturgy. The Divine Liturgy. In other words, the order of what they do in a church service. And the way they do it, singing and standing up and sitting down and repeating this and crossing, it's divine.

What does that mean?

Well, divine liturgy. means it's from God Himself. Can you show me that in scripture? But it's not there. It might be recorded in the book of First Moronicles.

You know? Where people, they just so easily, they so easily. I just believe what my church tells me to believe. You see, I relinquished my thinking over to what the true church, the true restored church, says. Because salvation is tied to the true restoration or the true continuation.

'Cause that's what they'll say. That's how the cults work.

Okay. Cults and false religions. It's continuation or restoration of the truth, which our church organization has. The simplicity of the gospel is, come to Jesus. Jesus says, Come to me, all who are heavy laden.

We're justified by faith. Romans 5.1. This is what we're we have. That's it. And yet the falseness of so many religions is uh such that these people uh are duped.

People are duped duped. They think they're right, they think they believe they're right. I think you get a Mormon and an EO guy going at going at it at each other. Let us see that. Have them go at it at each other.

One bearing a testimony about the truth of Joseph Smith, another one saying, We have the testimony of the Apostolic Church. And I'd wait and see, listening, how many are talking about the truth of God's Word and the person and work of Christ. Because I wouldn't come up in my opinion. for what truth is, what space-time. No, I wouldn't be out of the Word of God.

Because if you use the Word of God as your final authority, you're going to have trouble believing Mormonism, you're going to have trouble believing Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism. Because Those things, those groups, they have things not taught in the Bible.

Well, we have extra revelation. Extra. And in the Mormons, extra revelation is Doctrine, Covenants, Pearl of Great Christ, Book of Mormon. These are the extra revelations. What's the extra revelations in the EO and the RC?

Tradition, magisterium. Extra. The traditions are inspired. The church fathers, when they're in consensus, are inspired. It's extra.

revelation from God. And this is always how it is. Whenever you have someone saying it's extra revelation. then it means the Bible is subjected to that. It's always how it works.

I've seen it. countless times. And I'll say to people while they're talking about stuff, and I'll quote scripture and I'll say, look. You're not supposed to go beyond what's written. You know, you can't can't exceed it.

I said, yes, you can. I've done this so many times with people. I see, look, I don't believe you can. I don't think you should exceed what's written in the Word of God. Yes, you can.

We have traditions. We have the restored gospel. We have present-day prophets. We have traditions from wherever down to today. Blah, blah, blah.

1 Corinthians 4:6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written. This is from the inspired Word of God. 1 Corinthians 4, 6. 2 John 9:11, 9-11. Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teachings of Christ does not have God.

Okay. And We are to submit to the word of God. You. Artists submit to the Word of God. You Christians.

You need to submit to God's Word. Are you too? When you're reading through the word, if it says something, that's what it says. You don't like it? Not my problem.

But I'll tell you, I cannot I can't remember count how many times I've talked to people about biblical theology. and they don't want to hear what God says. I see, I have to ask him, I have to trick people all the time. He said, I believe God works everything. Everything after the counsel of his own will.

He does not. We have free will. I'm just quoting you, Ephesians 1:11. I do this all the time to people. They know what the Word of God says.

It's clear. And then you know what they do? Oh, that's just your interpretation. I just interpreted it, right? What interpreted it?

I just read it to you. I just quoted it to you. And you won't even believe what it clearly says.

Now, this is the question. It's easy for us to look down our noses at the EO and the RC for their false religious content. and the false restored church of j of uh Mormonism, or the true restored church of of uh Jehovah's Witnesses, and all this stupidity. You see We can do that very easily. But think about this.

You know, you go to your church.

Well, is what's being taught there, what your customs are, they're biblical.

Now, some people might say, well, how far are we going to take this?

Well, you know. Can you wear a robe if you're a special preacher? Nothing the Bible says you can't wear robes. All right. Doesn't say you have to have jeans either or shorts.

But You'd be clothed.

Okay. And so that that's not a really big issue. But the kind of things you need to work on is what kind of worship This was being sung. Is the worship, for example, would you sing Mormon-based hymns in your Protestant churches? Of course not.

Because they're authored from unbelievers. False believers.

So Bethel music has a lot of heresy in it. Should you have Bethel music in your church? What if your church uh supports women, pastors and elders? Is that biblical? No, it's not.

What's your church teaching? And are you checking what the pastor says, what your church statement of faith is against scripture? You go do it. A lot of times people just believe because. And we can go to A fast food restaurant.

anywhere in the country, and it's all the same. And they assume we go to these different churches and they're all just basically the same. Not the case. Whenever I check out a church, I go to the website, look up the website, staff. And Uh statement of faith.

The staff, if they have women, pastors, and elders, bye bye Because the Bible forbids it. And And I'll debate it. Hey, here we go again. Here we go again. I will fly out at my own expense any place in the country to debate the issue in your church.

Does the Bible support women, pastors, and elders? And As long as we record it. You can have a copy, it won't cost you anything. Let's do this. I've been making this challenge now.

for like twenty years on the radio. And not a single person has taken me up on it. Have a formal debate. Let's do it. Not one.

Why is that?

Okay. But, yeah. But anyway, so look, we're out of time. I've got to keep going. The music's going to start me.

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