Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at carn.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slicker. Listen to Matt Slick Live. All right, all right.

Hey, there's some stuff to talk about. Um Today's date is October 21st, 2025.

Now yesterday, yesterday a guy called up and he talked about an atheist show. And I called into the show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And uh So we'll talk about that a little bit. If he's soliciting, the guy who called up yesterday about that and the issues and stuff like that, they can. You can call me and we can talk about it. But I I did call into that show y uh yesterday. And it was um The tobacco.

Uh They Two guys. Arn uh R and I thought it was Aaron, but Arn Raw This guy, oh man, he's full of invectives, foul language, interruptions. He thinks he's smart, but he's not. He thinks he's logical, but he's not. And um And they just Um There is absolutely no way they wanted me to make any point valid at all.

they are the definition of the word obstreperous.

Now that's being a voice received recalcitrant, very difficult to work with. And um so I get on it. They go, Is this r is match slick? And I go, Yeah. From Carmen?

Yes, uhhuh. We get talking and he says, Well, He talked about the Gospels. He says the Gospels were not We're not written by who they say they were written, by people who believe they were. And he says, Prove me wrong, Matt. And I said, No, you need to prove that your statement's true.

And that was it. They didn't like the idea of the statements that they make being demonstrated to be true. And so I kept saying this for 10 or 15 minutes. They kept trying to turn it on me and say, You prove it. And then they would actually say, Well, you said that they're all by the authors, but you know, I said, When did I say that?

And These guys came unglued. And this went on for fifteen or twenty minutes, I guess. And then he eventually hung up on me. But um Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. They're not very good at logic. And don't say that to these guys because. Oh yes, they're the best. They're the best at logic.

And uh I said, guys, you made a mistake to begin with. You said this is what it's not done by.

Well, how do you prove it's not done by something? It's a negative. You're trying to prove a negative. I said, if you're going to argue, you need to say that they were written by different authors, and here they are.

Well, if they're not written by who they say they're written, then who are they written by? And if you're going to demonstrate, if you make the claim, then demonstrate it's true. And they couldn't, it took me, I think, five minutes to get that statement out because they kept interrupting and trying to shift the burden on me. And I know their game. I told them, I know your game.

I've talked to thousands of atheists. I said, you make a statement and then you don't want to back it up. You want the Christians to prove you're wrong. I said, no, you got to, you know, you step up, you do it. They didn't like that at all.

Now It went from bad to Bader. And uh They would Constantly, constantly interrupt, constantly. They'd ask me a question, I'd go to answer it, and they would jump in and stop me from answering it and accuse me of something.

Well, they were they were basically behaving like children. And um they really were. And this went on for another 10 minutes or 15, I don't know, you know, the whole bit. Uh And so, um So I I I forgot what happened. One of them said, Oh, we could beat you.

You don't know logic. You're so stupid. You're like a five-year-old man. I mean, all this stuff. And I said, Well, if that's the case, you should be able to beat me in a debate, right?

And I go, That's right. We debate you. I go, Good. I challenge you to a debate, a formal debate. Do you accept?

Both of them said yes. And I've yet to hear from them. Because I put in the chat text Because they silenced me and eventually kicked me out so I couldn't defend myself. And um And so I I kept putting the text, you know. I accept the challenge.

Let's go. You said you would do it. Let's see. And contact me at info at carm.org. I checked the data, nothing.

These blowhards, you know, they don't want to do a formal debate because in a formal debate, You have to let the other person speak. Woo! Ooh, we can't have that happen now. And uh it means that their feet could be held in the fire, and they don't want that.

So Ahren raw Oh my goodness. My goodness, it was so bad. He uh he comes up, he's supposed to be some atheist guy, and uh I know his weaknesses. I've talked to him a few times, you know, 10, 15 years ago. I remember these conversations.

He's not as as critical thinking as he he thinks he is. He's not, he's very much not. And so he said, Get this. He said to me, He says, Uh was it you don't support science Can you hold it? Yes I do.

And he said he said, No, you don't. Ego. But I do. I like science. you know, Edgie 'cause he wouldn't let me finish.

Yeah. I'm cracking up. And uh Because I do. If you guys have listened to me here very much, you know I enjoy science. I watch documentaries and stuff on astrology and quantum physics and.

You know, I enjoy that stuff. I really do. And he actually made the profound. blunder and I mean profound Okay. Uh He said, I'll I'll give you a hundred bucks if If you can Prove that you support sockets.

Okay. Here we go. I said, I want my hundred bucks because here it comes. And I started talking, they cut me off again, you know, and I said, um. I said, I want my hundred bucks.

But I said, science is a procedure. What you do, you make an observation, and then it cut me off. And I'm like, are you kidding me? And I got back in there and I said, yeah, I want my 100 bucks. Come on.

I want to keep saying 100 bucks on the text and stuff like this. Then they did something to where um They either did it on purpose or it's part of the setup where I can only post a text after they kick me out, after they hung up on me. I can only post in the chat room once every like. two minutes or something like that.

So I had to wait while they're talking smack about me. And, you know, I'm typing something out. I said, contact me for the debate. Both of you guys, info at Carmen.org, nothing. Nothing.

And uh What's really interesting is I didn't know I didn't like science. here all these years. taking science classes. And loving science and studying quantum physics and learning about physics. I love physics.

And I love math. And I wanted to be a marine biologist. And I studied it. I like to hear documentaries on the space, James Webb, on Hubble. I like to watch the stuff about black holes, you know.

But apparently I don't like science. Apparently.

Okay, and so uh Yeah. Yeah. Aaron Raw has brain Maybe it's a little raw. Maybe, I don't know. Maybe it hasn't matured properly.

I don't know. But this guy owes me $100. And I'm going to hammer on him. I'm going to hammer. Where's my $100?

You know, I'm going to say I like science and I support it and I do.

Now you do not. Yes, I do. No, you don't? Oh, wow, I guess I don't know my own heart and mind. You know, I guess you know it better than me.

You know, anyway, it just, it was a laughable. He was a laughable nuisance, basically. Uh They uh were rude. Highly interruptive. And I'm serious.

It's not me just saying this. They didn't understand the basics of logic. And they thought they did. They are incredible. Incredibly self-deceived.

Wow. It was really profound. And so anyway, you know, I thought it was interesting. I thought it was interesting. And I'm hoping to be able to have another conversation with these guys.

And because they said they'd debate me, they publicly accepted. that they set up public Each one, the Armin Raw, you know, the guy who basically owes me a hundred bucks. He says, I accept your challenge. I go, okay, great. And then the other guy chimed in and goes, I want to debate you.

I'll do a formal debate. I go, great. Let's leave both. We'll do both. And so uh Uh It it didn't go well.

It didn't go well, period, because the They they're I'm just this is my opinion, okay? This is my opinion. I think they're Their commitment to irrationality and the atheist worldview has clouded their minds so much that they can't even see their own logic errors and their own incredible rudeness. And And then, but, like I said, they constantly try to put me on the defensive. But I said, look, I've talked to a thousand atheists.

I'm not going to do that. I said, you're the one who made the statement. Back up your statements. And they wouldn't do it. And then he brought up one thing.

Well, the majority of the scholars say blah blah blah. I go, so?

So it's called called argumentum in populum. I said, let's look at the internal evidence. We finally, you know, gotten to some topic. And I went to John 19 or John 23, I think it was. Where there's an eyewitness, and it says, We were there, I was this, this, and that.

It's writing it's an internal evidence that there's some eyewitness writing that.

Now we can get to who that's attributed to later, but they didn't want to do that. They said they didn't do what I was talking about.

So Uh they, I'll politely say, they couldn't argue their way out of a wet paper bag if. He was on a NASA centrifuge. The open end was out and it was going. They'd still have trouble. Let's get to Elijah from Pennsylvania.

Elijah, welcome, buddy. You're on the air, man. Hey, Matt. I talked to you yesterday, and I was the one that told you about the existence of the line YouTube channel. And something told me that you were going to call in yesterday, but I didn't watch it.

So, like, this morning I had. Uh open uh Turned to it, and I had fast forward to see if I saw your name pop up at the bottom of the screen. I saw it pop up. I was like, huh, is that Matt Slip, or is that another Matt?

So I started from there. And I was like, oh boy, he actually called in. Oh yeah. Did so did you listen? Yeah.

I I uh listened to the whole thing and um Uh R and he He needs to learn how to control himself because I feel like that conversation would have gone a lot better if he would have just let you finish your sentences. Yeah. So Are you going to agree with me that he wouldn't that he put it that way? He interrupted. constantly Constantly.

Would you agree? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I actually had to start saying to him.

There's several types. Calm down. Calm down. I gotta answer the question. You gotta calm down.

And he didn't like that either, but it was true. He was horrible. And the other guy wasn't much better either. Yeah. I think because because I was look I was looking through some of the comments.

I think the Um Because because uh one comment I saw Say that the reason why they can't hold Holding your feet to the fire is because you had originally made the complaint that. The altars were uh written by The apostles, then, once you said that, they say that you. you had the burden of proof put put on you because you had made the claim about that and they wanted they wanted the evidence that they were the authors. Yeah, and what they did was, they, I don't remember saying it, maybe I did, but I don't remember saying it. But I did say to them at one point that Mark and Luke were not apostles.

They paused actually. They were surprised I said that. And hold on, we got a break.

Okay, buddy. We'll get right back after these messages. If you want to give me a call, the number is 8772. 072276. for the right hand girl.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Elijah from Pennsylvania. All right, buddy.

You still there? Yep, I'm still here. All right.

Now, uh I don't know what we were talking about, but uh, did you get the part about uh how he'd paid me a hundred dollars if I could demonstrate that I support uh science? Remember that? Yeah, that that that if you can explain what what science is and uh you you explained it in the And uh and apparently he lied 'cause he didn't give you your hundred bucks. Yeah, I was Explaining what it was, and my support of it, because he kept saying I didn't support it. I know what science is, I've written articles on it, I've studied exactly what it is from different perspectives.

And uh yeah, so It was pretty bad. And then they did accept.

Well, they did say they would formally debate me.

So I can go in right now, even. Right now, one more time, and go into info at carm.org to see if either one of them have com contacted me. And No. No, they haven't come. I'm not sure uh if If they were reading uh the chat after the uh the um Third-party host had hung up because those two weren't the ones that hung up on you.

It was the uh the uh It was the transsexual that had butted in that time and was trying to explain to you guys what. You thought, or he thought that you two were trying to get at. And once they had hung up on you, Owen had said. uh that uh if if you were still there listening, that he would like you To contact him at his email to talk to him about setting up a debate between you two. Oh, that's good.

Let's do that. I don't know how to get the email if you want it.

Okay, good. If you could email it to me at info at carm.org. And you know, and with the relative information, I'll contact him. I'll say, let's do it. Yeah, let's set up a debate and get a good agree upon topic, and do it formally.

Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, that'd be good. That'd be good.

All right, we'll see what happens.

Okay. Yeah, that guy, Owen, he's an ex-Jehovah's Witness. Yeah. Yeah, he d he yeah, and that tells me a lot. I figure figured that out.

He doesn't understand a lot of things about scripture, and so he's at a disadvantage that way as well. That's all.

Okay. Well good, man. Good, yeah. Yeah, I want to start doing more debates and tackle these these uh these heretics.

So, yeah. There's other guests on that show that are a lot more polite. Like, there's. There's two females that are going to be on, I think, probably within the next hour doing the show on there. Or you could wait for like a few more days to see.

Who are the other hosts that are going to be on? You might run into. uh Forrest Balkai uh the guy that uh the guy that uh aired me out but but uh I think I think the only reason why he aired me out is because I first called him ignorant so as long as you don't call him a name he won't he won't snap on you and I I think I think he'll be polite Yeah, to say someone's ignorant about something doesn't mean that they're stupid. It's not an insult. And they don't understand that.

To say you don't have enough knowledge about this topic to really engage in it is not an insult. When someone said that to me, I say, Well, perhaps you're right. Let's go over some of the points that you think I need to know. It doesn't bother me. I don't know everything, but they're so prideful that you can't say, I'm sorry, but you need to study this topic.

And so they get, they go, that's an insult. It's not an insult. They don't even know that. It's really bad. They embarrass themselves a lot.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we don't know. You know, you you know, um One time Arne Raw and Matt Dillahunty were on the line and they were both hosting a show together. And Matt Dillahunty was the more Was the more logical, more reasonable person because Arn Law.

It's the Uh yeah. He Ra has said that We know that there is no God, there is no supernatural. And then Matt Dillow Hunty butted in and was like: hold on, hold on now. Uh we don't know that uh just because we don't have any scientific evidence of the supernatural right now. That doesn't mean that doesn't mean in the future that we won't find scientific evidence for God or for the supernatural.

So you can't say that we don't know. Right. Yeah, you see You know, I know Matt DeLahante and I have a cell number and, um We've had our debates, and for the most part, he's pretty reasonable. Pretty reasonable.

So he's someone you can talk to. Aaron Raw is. Uh Yeah, he's a rabid anti uh Christian.

So, yeah. Anyway. But, yeah, send me that information. I'll contact the guy and we'll see if we can set something up. I got a debate, I got to be in.

February? February 6th, I think it is, in Dallas. I'll be debating on Muslims. I'll be prepping upon that. I'd like to do another debate out there, I'd like to have another one.

So while I'm out there. But we'll see. We'll see what happens. All right.

I'll send you his email immediately after I get off here with you. Amen. Thanks a lot. I appreciate it, man. Thanks.

It was interesting. It was fun last night. It's all right. Yep, no no problem. All right, Liza.

God bless, buddy. God bless.

Alright, God bless.

Okay. All right, now let's get to Michael from Ohio. Michael, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, um, thank you.

Um I listen to you quite a bit on the radio, and I. always find you the way you explain things to be Um really effective.

So my question for you. I grew up in a church of God and You know, there was always a lot of the conversation of you get saved, you backslide, you get saved, you know, you come back, you backslide. And then as an adult, I found myself um at a church here in Ohi here in Ohio. That um They take the approach that once you get saved you're always saved. And I've heard other people on the radio that You know, kind of go with that same idea, but then of late.

I keep hearing uh folks mention verses in the Bible where it basically says that people will arrive uh at the gates uh after after death. to find that they'll be turned away because they weren't truly saved.

Okay. What I was kind of hoping you might explain to me, or help me understand, is. Once you give yourself over to Jesus and you're saved. Do you you know, you you spend your life, you know, trying to follow Christian Do the right thing. Are you Are you saved?

Okay. fall back and and you know, ultimately wind up Yeah. arriving and being you know, finding out you were wrong.

Well, let's talk about some stuff here. Let me go through and just teach you for a little while, okay? We're going to hit a break and we'll continue on after the break, all right?

So let me just quote some scriptures to you and I want to point some things out. And we'll get to this. I'll get from simple to more complicated.

So, if we go to John 3:16, it says, For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him would Not perish. but have eternal life. Noticed. The uh the couplet, not perish. but have eternal life.

Not perishing, not being lost, but have eternal life. When we go to John 10, 27, Jesus says, My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give eternal life to them. and they will never perish.

Well, it's interesting. Jesus is relating eternal life with never perishing. When we go to John 6, 37 and we start reading. Oh, there's a break.

Well, that's a good place for the break. And we'll continue after the break. We'll show you some more about this.

Okay, so hold on, buddy. All right.

Hey folks. If you want to give me a call, the number is 8772-2. Zero seven. Two two seven six. Right back.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with. Michael from Ohio.

Michael, are you still there? Yes, sir. All right, what I was trying to show you was before the break the way that Jesus speaks of eternal life. Not in every single instance, but he very often does this with the idea of never perishing.

So I went through John 3:16, John 10, 27 and 28, and now I want to go to John 6. Starting at verse thirty seven.

Okay. And then we're going to get a little bit more uh theology here.

So Jesus says, All that the Father gives me will come to me.

Now, this is important. It does not say, all who come to me will come. The father will then give them. Because that's common theology today, which is wrong. It doesn't say that.

All that the Father gives me, they're the ones who are going to come to Christ because they're given by the Father to the Son. That's what John six thirty seven is saying. And Jesus says, The one who comes to me I will not cast out.

So if you come to Christ that's eternal life, and not casting out, is not perishing. In verse 38, I've come down from heaven not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. Verse 39, this is the will of him who sent me, that all that he's given me, I lose nothing. But raise it up on the last day.

So If the will of the Father is that Jesus lose none, we have to ask the question: can Jesus lose any? What would you say? I'd say no. Yeah, I'm agreeing with you. He goes on in verse 40, For this is the will of my Father that everyone who beholds the Son.

bel and believes in him, will have eternal life, and I'll raise him up on the last day. In this pericope, we also see not losing. But having eternal life. not losing is verse thirty nine, but having eternal life is in verse forty.

Okay, so he does this. Jesus relates this this way, and he says, Will of the Father is that he lose none.

Now people will come back and say, well, you can lose yourself.

Okay, so Here's an analogy I've developed recently. Let's say that there's a a field. And in the middle of this field, it's a circular field. In the middle of this field, is a tower. And the viewer can see every parts of that field.

Every part of it. and there are people wandering around in that field. And he will never lose sight of any of them. Because he sees it all.

Now someone might say, well, He can't lose any. But you can lose yourself. It would make no sense. You mean to lose yourself. You can just watch you, see you.

Now when we talk about this kind of a thing, People say, well, that's not a really good analogy.

Well, is it? Does God not see all things eternally?

Well, of course he does. Does he not call people to salvation?

Well, yes, he does. If you go to Ephesians 1.4, Just as he As the Father chose us as the elect in Him, that's Jesus, that's Christ, before the foundation of the world, that we'd be holy and blameless. God chose us. way back then that we would be holding blameless.

Now I can just see this. God the Father choosing people for salvation. Oh Matt, he doesn't do that. He doesn't choose people for salvation. I could have thought he did because.

This is what it says in 2 Thessalonians 2.13. It says But we should always give thanks to God, brethren, beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning. For salvation. That's what it says, 2 Thessalonians 2.13. When we look at Ephesians 1.4, we see the same thing.

He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we be holy and blameless before Him. In love, He predestined us.

Okay. Now just think. logically. If the Father chooses us in Christ, That's a whole nother theological point I could get into about in Christ. But if he chooses us for salvation, 2 Thessalonians 2.13 and He chooses us before the foundation of the world.

And Jesus says, all that the Father gives me will come to me. I'll lose none. Can you lose your salvation? Of course not. Of course you can't.

It's dumb. And those who say you can lose your salvation, I'll go to some of the verses and I'll put them in context. They'll say, well, this is because your salvation depends on your faith in God. and your faithfulness.

So it depends on God's work and yours.

Well, anyone who teaches that your salvation depends in part on your goodness.

Well of course you can lose your salvation. Of course. That's why they asked them.

Well, then what things must you do? to keep yourself right with the infinitely holy God. Yeah. Please lift them up for me. And they give me lists sometimes.

Well, don't go to R-rated movies, don't cuss, don't swear, don't, you know. lie, whatever it is. And I say, are you doing all these things? Because it's like the The uh the uh giant the um lawyer came up to Jesus, what good thing must I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus answered him according to his question.

Give all your stuff away. He couldn't do it. Jesus was showing him that his own standard of self achievement cannot be met by himself. And this is the thing people think they can in their arrogance. I keep myself right with God by my goodness.

But I don't call it my goodness. But I'm the one who remains faithful. I'm the one who doesn't do the bad things. I'm the one who stays in my covenant with God by the good things that I do. It's arrogance.

Now some will then say, Okay, what about it? Uh Hebrews f six, four through six. And then I say, well, okay, let's let's go there. And I say, first of all, who's the book of Hebrews written to? The Hebrews.

Right, he says, For in the case of those who once been enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift. I said, What does exactly that mean? To be enlightened and taste the heavenly gift, does it mean you're saved? If it does, show it to me that it means that. Because they can say it means it, but how do you know?

You might say, well, what else does it mean?

Well to be enlightened. He enlightens every man, he's the light of the world. Doesn't mean everybody's saved. You know, John 1. And did Judas taste a heavenly gift?

Yeah, with w watching Christ, but he was never saved to begin with. And you've made partakers of the Holy Spirit. They'll say, well, that means you have to be saved to be a partaker of the Holy Spirit. Does it? Show me that.

Show me where it says to partake of the Holy Spirit means you have to be saved in order for that to happen. Because there's no other phrase like that in the scriptures. It's just right there.

Now, what they're doing is reading into the text. It might mean it, it might not mean it. But you have to demonstrate that that's the case either way. What I say to them is, well, Got a question. Was Judas a partaker of the Holy Spirit?

Because the Holy Spirit worked through Christ. But he did. And that's a whole nother topic. And yeah, he did. He participated in that.

He even performed miracles, cast out demons. Be made partakers of the work of the Spirit of God Himself. Doesn't mean they're saved. and tasted the good word of God and the power of the age to come. and then you fall away, Jews.

You fall away after having been exposed to all that Jesus is teaching and doing, all the work of the miraculous that through him and his apostles that have happened. And you fall away from that. You can't be renewed again to repentance.

Now it says, Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, repentance.

Well, there's different kinds of repentance. In Corinthians. 7.10, I believe it was a 10 10 seven or 710. It says there's a repentance that leads to life and one that leads to death. And once a sorrow and one is without regret.

There's different kinds of turning from something. One is real, and one is temporary. And this is what's going on here.

So, when they look at this, they don't look at it, they don't examine it.

So can someone then lose their salvation if they could ever get it back? And they say, yeah. You got to repent. And you come back. I said, then why does it say in the same area you want to go to, it's impossible to renew them again to repentance?

If you're going to say this is about losing salvation, and then it says it's impossible to renew them again to repentance, then why are you contradicting what it says for your own. particular view.

So you see, when you start looking at stuff, Their arguments fall apart.

Well, they'll say, well, Paul was disqualified. Didn't want to disqualify himself. And was he speaking literally? Or was he speaking metaphorically, symbolically? Read the Bible?

Let's go look, you know, and I say, let's go look at these, let's look at the context. We're in the race, but he's not disqualified. Um You know, Moses even said, you know, let me be damned so that his people. survive. But so he's speaking in such a way To demonstrate that he could be or wanting to be disqualified from that eternal life, but it's not possible.

So there's all kinds of things that people are not looking at. But here's the thing. If God calls you in Christ, now in Christ is a term of federal headship. He represents us. In Adam all die.

In Christ all shall be made alive. The in Christ are those who died with Christ, who were crucified with him. Romans 6:6, Romans 6.8. He God chose us for salvation in Christ. And Colossians 2.14 says he cancelled the sin dead at the cross.

He cancelled all of it. God doesn't make mistakes. Neither does Jesus. The blood of Christ is not wasted. When you're secure in Christ, you're secure because of what he does.

Not because of what you do.

Now hold on butter, we'll get back after the break, okay? Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please. Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Alright, everyone, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with one last little bit here with. Michael from Ohio. Hey Michael, all right.

Uh did all that help?

Alright.

Well that was it. We just wanna make sure.

Okay. Any comments or anything you want to add in? Um Uh no, I I I appreciate All of this. I um I love the way that you, the depth that you get into with being able to help explain things because it's It's hard when you're not sure where to start the search. To find you know, to find stuff to back up what I think that I understand.

Yeah, um Starting the search. is by going to the Word. And there are online Bible tools. And you can just go in and start just pick something, you know, it's like. Where do I find out about salvation?

And you look at the word salvation and see what it says. See if there's cross-references. Oh, eternal life. Oh, hey, it says don't perish. Oh, hey, you start picking that stuff up, you start learning.

That's what you do. Or you call a guy in a radio name Slick and he helps you out.

Okay. I appreciate it very much.

Okay. All right, man.

Well, I'm glad to help, and I hope that secures you with Christ, you know, that you don't have to worry.

Okay, you're not good enough to keep yourself. Thank you so much.

Alright brother, God bless.

Okay. Duck. Goblins. Oops, sorry, I hung up on him there. I cut him off.

All right, let's get to Randy from Kentucky. Randy, welcome. You're on the air. Yes, sir. I had a question.

Like it's it's kind of ties into what you just shared with the other gentleman. about eternal security and everything. Like, I firmly believe that. But a few years back, My dad passed away. And it seems like ever since then.

As a believer, I'm still having that moment. Like, it can just hit me out of the blue, like it hit me Sunday during church. Like It's like doubt. Like it's on the one side. Yeah, I know what I believe.

I can argue it. I know it. But on the other side, it's like something steps into my brain and is like, what about if it's all fake? And I'm sure you've never doubted in your years of. Yeah.

me up. But What do we do with that? Like... It's It's certain To me it's so weird because it just hits out of nowhere.

Well, there's two sources. One is demonic influence, the other is our sinful selves. And Okay. Every now and then I'll go, Am I really saved? Do I really believe this?

Because it He really believes and And I I allow myself those questions. Because The Bible says in 20 Corinthians 13:5. Test yourself. deceive your faith. Examine yourselves.

Or do you not recognize this about yourself that Christ Jesus is in you? Unless indeed you fail that test. Is Jesus in you? And so One of the things I'll do, and maybe it's the same thing you'll do, I don't know, is well, they believe he died on the cross, rose from the dead. And you ask yourself that question, the answer is, at least, I don't know about you, but me is.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then That's it. That's it.

All we can do is trust them. You know? Right. Yeah. Maybe that is the two things, folks.

Like I said, it is so weird. I couldn't name in anything in this server. It's like Like I said, theologically, totally agree and they're singing praise and worship and I'm like, Not today. I mean That doesn't sound overly holy, but it's where I was at. Man, I'm enjoying your comments because, oh man, the exact same things happened to me many times.

Where did it come from? Why am I thinking it? And is it true? You know, you just go through it just because it's our nature. And that's it's okay.

I mean so it's okay in the sense that It's real, okay? But what do we do with it? Right. Yeah. I guess like you said, we just got pressed back into the word and Mm-hmm.

Doubt's part of it. And here's something that helped me too. Here's something that helped me too, that it's a kind of a weird way to look at it. But you know, I've been doing this for 45 years. And um Okay, so you're sitting there and you're going, wait a minute, what if it's not true?

Well then here's a question. Then where are we going to go? Is there anything better? Yeah. You know, it's Islam?

Forget that. You know, atheism?

Well, that's stupid. You know, it it's just And and it and I c I I do that every now and then. I go Nothing else. compares. It's like when they said to Jesus, Jesus said, Are you going to leave me too?

He goes, Where are we going to go? Got something better? Nobody. Exactly. And it's funny how you mentioned atheism.

I even pondered that one time, and I was like, I can't, I don't have the faith to be that atheist. You know, when you try to. I tried to deconstruct my own faith. I'm like, well, this isn't working.

Okay, okay. I can't go down that rabbit hole for this. It just don't add up to me. Yeah, it does. Atheism is is is suicide.

Intellectual suicide, as far as I'm concerned. Right. Yeah. Right. I agree.

Okay. Well we'll look for the sin and the spiritual darkness part of it then. I appreciate it. Right. Dude, I'm just going to tell you, man.

I thought the same thing a hundred times. Same thing. It's just it's this part of us. What do we do with it? You know?

That's what we what do we do with that? Confess Christ and where are we going to go? Got nothing better. I'm staying here. Yeah.

Right. And I think, for me personally, I think that's where I'm at tonight, right now. I'm in a. better than yesterday moment, I guess.

So I guess is this where we How to cast it all before God. And we're like, this is where I'm at. You're you and I'm me. I'm the broken one.

Well You know, you kind of remind me of something here a little bit. This is not advice, it's not prophecy, it's not anything. It's just sometimes when we have those kind of issues, I think God may very well go. All right, what I'm going to do now. is I'm going to put you through some stress and strain, some desert time.

strip you away. And I know because I've been through it. I'm not saying my condition is how yours is going to be. But I think God does that with some people sometimes. in that he wants to purify your faith so that everything else is left On the side of the road, and you're walking down towards Christ, going, Yeah, I do believe He died on that cross, I do believe He rose from the dead.

And and and they got nothing. That's it. Does that make a lot of sense? Yeah. That's where it comes down to.

Focus. Yes. Okay. Well. I appreciate you listening to me, Ramble.

That's right. Oh, and Charlie made a good point, or somebody made a good point. Charlie says, no, he's in here. Unbelievers are not troubled by what. her doubts.

It's funny. I remember. Who is that, John? Key life today. that fella.

Steve Brown, he used to make that comment. About how, you know, when you question your salvation, if you're questioning it, then chances are there is a good chance. you are saved. Yeah, a good man will struggle against his doubts, his sin. Dead men don't.

They're comfortable with it. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Okay, thank you.

Well, I appreciate it. Thank you, sir. And I appreciate all you do answering all our weird questions. This is These are good questions. It's good stuff.

I'm glad you called in because you made me feel better about myself. I'm not the only one. You're not alone. No, sir. That's right.

That's right. I appreciate you. Thank you very much. All right, God bless. All right, you know, we got nobody waiting.

That reminds me that when I was in seminary, um, I still remember this very clearly. That uh We had study groups, and guys would get together, and we'll just study for three hours at a time, you know, because that's what it means in seminary.

Okay, we. Three hours, here we go. And um And this one guy came over, over my apartment, and we got books everywhere, and we're answering this question. And we ended up just kind of actually going into a conversation. sanctification.

And he opened up. Little bit, and he was telling me some of his struggles. I'm not going to get into particulars, but let's just say they're normal. Guy struggles, guy issues. Um he was happily married, but there's I'll just let you kind of you know, you get the point, okay?

And uh I married, you know, at the time too and um We're just talking. And He just started opening up and says, Yeah, I struggle with this and wonder about that. And I'm sitting there going, Oh, I'm so glad he's saying this. And we had this conversation. I said, Brother, I said, I'm so glad.

I thought I was the only one in seminary. And he said, No, there's a there's a few others. And um It was You know the the uh f Aphorism, uh misery loves company. But uh It's not that I I've been rejoicing in his failures or his struggles. But It was good to know.

that uh He wasn't alone. I wasn't alone. We as Christians are not alone in this. The Bible says, I think it's Galatians 6.2. Let me get to that.

Let's see. Yeah, here we are. This is interesting verse. Bear one another's burdens, and thereby fulfil the law of Christ. It's Galatians 6.2.

Bear one another's burdens.

Now that can be taken different ways. You know, you're going to be moving. Let me help you pack the boxes and move from one place to another. bear one another's burdens. Could be financial.

Maybe you can't make a car payment. Let me help you out. Or um You're going through something. You went through something really stressful and a friend comes over. and spends time with you.

Or you can You spend time with that person, helping that person go through. A trial, a tribulation. I remember one of my favorite stories was about the man who'd lost his son. And they had a funeral and uh people were coming over to the house, consoling him and giving him great advice. And he appreciated all of it.

But this one man came over. I didn't say anything. But sad. with him and wept with him. Didn't say a word.

Just wept. They wept together. And that father said, that ministered more than all the other. He wasn't knocking all the other But it wasn't the words, it was carrying the burden with him. And sometimes we're to do that.

We're to carry others' burdens and that means to feel it, to experience it, to be empathetic. And we joined them in their agony. Join them in their burden, in their discomfort. And then we try. Finally.

Help. and heal. It's not easy. But I think that's what that might mean. Anyway.

We got one more caller coming in, Drew from Kentucky. Drew, welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt, how you doing? Dude, we've got about a minute.

Go ahead. Yeah, I know. Uh Well, I can call back tomorrow or on the after show, but real quick, 60. becoming a pastor. I've listened to some of your stuff.

I've listened to you for years, but uh Quick advice. There's a 61-year-old man becoming a pastor, then a Teacher and a preacher. but now becoming faster. Sure, my advice is get ready for people to stab you in the back while they're loving you, speaking ill of you, while they're trying to help you, while you have to help them and you have to lift them up while they're not speaking well of you. You have to be able to guard yourself and them, protect them, and guard yourself while that's happening and endure all kinds of trials and tribulations while you're preaching Christ's love and forgiveness to them.

Okay. Spot. Spot on. Spot on. Kind of expected that from the get-go, but uh just uh like I said, listened to you for years and just uh wanted your your take on it and Your take is the same as my take, so Yeah, confirmation kind of thing.

Call back tomorrow. Let's talk a little bit more about it because uh y I had to say it quick and slick, but It's worth talking about.

Okay. It is. It is. It is. All right, brother.

All right, great. All right, brother. God bless you. All right, bye. Bye.

You too. Bye. All right, that was good. That was good, uh, good, good calls. And man, the hour went by quickly.

All right, everybody, there's the music. I'm out of here. May the Lord bless you, and by his grace, and I do mean by his grace, be back on there tomorrow. We'll talk to you then. Have a great evening, everyone.

God bless.

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