Caregivers, Remarriage, and PreNups

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You're going to love it. Welcome to Hope for the Caregiver here on American Family Radio. I am Peter Rosenberger. Glad to have you with us. Hope you're doing well. What's going on with you?

How are you feeling? How are you holding up as a caregiver? This show is designed to speak to the needs of family caregivers in this country alone. There are more than 65 million of us who are providing an estimated $500 billion. That's billion with a big B of unpaid care to the most vulnerable among us in our society. The family caregiver is an at risk individual. If the family caregiver goes down, what happens to the loved one they are taking care of or loved ones they are taking care of? What happens to our culture, our society? Think about it.

If only 10% went on strike, which we're not going to do, but think about it. So this is a very large group of individuals who are serving almost in obscurity without training and without pay. And yet they're the ones standing between people with chronic impairments and a cliff. And so this program is designed to speak to the needs of that group of individuals.

We've been talking about safety for a while, and I know that people think of safety as things such as fall risk and home security and all that, but I've been introducing different kinds of safety protocols that caregivers can implement such as healthy boundaries, watching out for people who will distort scripture and theology in order to levy even more burdens on a family caregiver, people who will come and parachute in and throw up all kind of dust and make your life more uncomfortable. There are plenty of people that do that. And other things that we've been incorporating today, I want to swerve into something that you may have never heard, but it's come to my attention multiple times. And just in the last week with a friend of mine who brought the subject up yet again. So I thought, you know what, I'm going to tackle this. And this is the whole concept. Well, let me tell you what, let me just set the story here.

Okay. This friend of mine mentioned a friend of hers and she said, I'm working with her. She's having a very difficult time because she took care of her husband with Alzheimer's for 11 years. This was his second marriage, I believe. I believe it was her second marriage and he died at roughly about 80, 81, 82. So they met when he was in his early seventies.

She was in her, I believe sixties or late sixties. She signed a prenup with this gentleman. And I'm not here to disparage prenups. That's a conversation for other people to have at another time.

Here are the facts. She signed a prenup when he died after she took care of him for 11 years with Alzheimer's. It turns out that he had early stages of it undiagnosed, but this kind of developed very early on into their marriage. He left her nothing. In fact, not even the house. She has to pay the bills on it and move out by a certain time. And then it goes over to her, his children, not hers. And he's left her in a really bad way. I can't offer a lot to this woman.

These are the facts of what she is dealing with now. And it's very uncomfortable and I hate it for her, but what I can do is talk to this audience and say, when it comes to a prenup and you're of a certain age, there is an opportunity here for that prenup to include caregiving responsibilities. Should the event arise that this new bride, even though she may be at 65 or older, is involved in caregiving responsibilities that extend beyond a certain timeframe with diminished capacity, et cetera, then that prenup should have some type of protection for this individual who's going to serve as a caregiver for this person.

Usually it's a man involved who says to the prospective bride, I want you to sign a prenup, but irrespective it's somebody with means, somebody with money or assets that's saying to someone else, if you marry me, you have to sign a prenup. I get that. Again, I'm not here to disparage that particular legal path for people. However, how is it fair?

How is it appropriate? How is it responsible that should that marriage immediately or quickly or even eventually descend into lengthy caregiving responsibilities for this person who signed the prenup to be left penniless, to be left without anything? They should be compensated for that time. If for nothing else, just the going rate of a paid caregiver. And the only way that's going to happen is if you are faced with that situation, please do not sign that without strong legal counsel and put it a caregiver clause, particularly if the person who is asking to sign it is over a certain age, because you know things are going to happen. Heart attack, stroke, you know, Alzheimer's, whatever, things are going to happen and you're going to be in a caregiving situation.

And if there is not ample compensation for that put in place, ample protection for you, if you want to use that word instead, you are opening yourself up to a world of stress, hurt, cost, everything else, and then be left without anything as this thing can consume you. Now, that sounds a bit harsh and very unromantic, I know that. But if you're signing a prenup, we're not dealing with romance anyway, this is a business agreement. And let's face it, when you start getting married again after a certain age, many are not looking to build a new life or build a new family. They're looking for companionship. And I'm not talking about when you get married again in your thirties or even forties.

I'm talking about when you're of a certain age. And there's nothing wrong with remarrying, particularly if you've lost spouses or you've never been married or whatever. There's nothing wrong with it. I'm not here to have that moral conversation with you. I'm here to have a financial conversation with you that would serve all parties well to go into with strong understandings of boundaries, responsibilities, and the like.

So if you've got some, let's just put it in this picture. This is a stereotype, but there's a reason stereotypes exist. So if you've got some guy that's 75 years old, got a good bit of money, and he finds somebody that's in her fifties, maybe early sixties, and wants to marry her and then ask her to sign a prenup, which I know of somebody who has done this, that woman who signs that prenup would be well-served to get strong legal counsel and to rewrite that prenup in such a way that if she is put into a caregiving responsibility that lasts over a certain period of time, and that can be subjective, that there is adequate protection for her so that she is not left holding the bag. And then when this guy dies, she's out on the street, like this scenario that just came to my attention last week. I'm not here to disparage true love, okay?

I know that all the rainbows and the unicorns and the butterflies and all that kind of stuff, okay, I get it. But when somebody asks you to sign a prenup, that hopefully at least taps the brakes to say, we need to have a conversation, particularly if one party is a bit older. Now, if you go into it and it's all ironed out and you think it's fine, okay, fine. Buyer beware. I'm just giving you some information, something to think about before you sign an agreement.

That's on you, okay, what you do with it from here on out. We're all adults here, make adult decisions. However, I think it would be well worth the time to have an attorney go through such a document and skew it towards your favor should you find yourself in a situation with somebody with some type of chronic impairment. And by the way, that can be alcoholism too. So if you get married to somebody, you've signed a prenup and you find out into this marriage that they're an alcoholic or it starts to grow, you're going to be in a real mess. Premonitus, premunitus.

That's Latin, which means forewarned is forearmed. This is Hope for the Kigger. This is Peter Rosenberger. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Hope for the Caregiver.

This is Peter Rosenberger. So glad that you are with us. Hopeforthecaregiver.com.

Hopeforthecaregiver.com. You know, I didn't mean to sound like I was anti true love and romance in that last segment here, but it is a problem. And I see the potential for somebody to be very, very hurt by this. And I know we have messy situations with our relationships these days. But I would also while I'm on that subject, I've seen a lot of this happen as well. And I'm just going to say it and if it offends people, I'm sorry.

Send the letters of complaints to Peter at the internet.google. But it's, I've seen too many cases of this where a man was married for a very long time and his wife dies, particularly after caring for her. And then within a very short amount of time, and I'm talking about less than a year, remarried again to someone. And again, I'm not disparaging the love, the companionship, certainly the biblical right to remarry once a spouse has passed away.

And I get all that. But if you've been a caregiver for a long period of time, and I mean, you know, more than a couple of months where this has gone on for a year, two years, three years, four years or more, it would seem to me that you would want to give yourself a lot of time to heal before jumping into another relationship that will probably involve caregiving within five years if you are of a certain age again. And for you women who are seeing a guy that has lost his wife, and he may seem extremely attractive and he may have money, he may be charming and all those kinds of things.

But wouldn't you rather him be healed up in a lot of areas before involving yourself with that guy? You know, there are a lot of men who are widowers who are not real good at incorporating a whole nother relationship. And let's be frank, what are men looking for if they're 75 years old and wanting to get remarried again, or, you know, 70 years old, let's just say that if they want to get remarried again, what are they looking for?

Okay, they're not going to want to start another family. So what are they looking for? Well, they're wanting somebody to take care of them. How many men do you know that are self-sufficient, that are independent in of themselves, that know how to do all the necessary things in caring for themselves?

Food, laundry, housekeeping, all those kinds of things. And so a lot of men, they feel lost and they don't know how to do that. And they're wanting to have somebody help them with that. And then, quite frankly, a lot of men are just looking for sex.

And again, is that a healthy way to start off this thing? They may be charming and you may have wonderful things and it may just be all sunshine and rainbows, but give it some time, particularly if there was caregiving involved. Give it some time. Respect the trauma, let it heal for a while. And there's no need to rush into a relationship.

My God shall supply all my needs according to his riches and glory through Christ Jesus, what scripture says. So if you're looking for somebody else to kind of fill that gap, then you're setting yourself up for some unpleasant realities, particularly if there's adult children involved and all kinds of things. I'm not saying it doesn't work out, sometimes it does. But I'm just recommending, like I said in the last segment, tap the brakes a little bit. Slow down. Don't rush right into something. Maybe it's good to just spend some time alone with God and let it heal. You cultivate great friendships and I know when you get a certain age you're like, well I ain't got a lot of time here. Well, not having a lot of time is not a reason to rush into a serious relationship. Sometimes the best thing we can do is just be still and do nothing and let it process. Get comfortable with the silence. You know, there are some people just cannot handle being alone.

And when you see somebody who's been in a long-term relationship where there was, particularly when there was caregiving involved, you need to respect that trauma and let that person kind of work through that. Don't look at yourself as a savior. I'm saying this primarily to women right now. Don't look at yourself as a savior, but let me switch focus to the men. Don't look at yourself as a savior because you're not. You're not there to meet that need.

They have one greater than you that can do it. And so it's important that we be healthier. Remember what I say on this program all the time. It's not about happiness. It's about healthiness. Happiness will chase you if you're chasing healthiness.

But if you're so busy trying to be happy and feel good, you're going to end up making some very bad mistakes. And people have asked me very inappropriately at times, I don't know why, but they do. And I have faced death many times with Gracie. They say, are you ever going to get married again? Which I thought is really a highly offensive question, but they ask. And first off it's none of their business. What I choose to do if that event happens, which I don't know that it will.

If I proceed Gracie or she proceeds me. At the rate the country's going right now, we could all be seeing Jesus next Thursday. So it's an inappropriate, I don't live in the hypothetical. I'm not there. And I'm not planning on being there anytime soon.

Should I get there, I would like to think I would use some restraint and give some respect to the time and seek God in solitude and quiet. I have a friend of mine who's been taking care of his wife for many years and she just passed away. We knew this was coming and he's in his seventies and I doubt very seriously he's going to ever get into another relationship. He's one of the healthiest individuals I know as far as emotional health. He's just a very solid fellow and I think he's looking forward to having just some down time. And he told me, not too terribly long after his wife passed, he said, I had no idea how frenetic my life was. It's quiet now.

It's quiet. It doesn't mean that we don't grieve or mourn because I think we do, but I think it's in that solitude, it's in that giving it the respect, giving it time to air out, that you don't want to just jump into something else. And particularly, like I said in the last segment, if somebody's going to make you sign a prenup, you know, whoa, hey, let's slow down here. And that's why it's important that we keep ourselves focused on what kind of purpose do we have?

What are we doing here? You know, have you, how many of you all have heard me thematically say over the last several years to start living life now as a caregiver? Don't wait until your caregiving experience is over because you may not live that long. Live life now at whatever level you can.

We talked about this just in the last couple weeks. If you write, write. If you are a painter, paint. If you love business, do business.

Do whatever level you can as a caregiver. Don't wait until this gets better or worse before you decide that you're going to start living life. The more you are in tune with the calling that God has on your life, the more equipped you'll be to make better decisions should you outlive your loved one.

The more focused you'll be on priorities, you won't feel like you're just lost, that you will not be twiddling your thumbs wondering, okay, what do I do? Because you're already doing it. We're not called to just sit around and wait on a situation to resolve itself before we are obedient to what God has called us and equipped us and purposed us to do. And that purpose transcends the role of caregiver. Okay, that may be part of the task of our life, but I was put on this earth for more than just being Gracie's caregiver. Do you understand that?

Now, I may do that for the rest of my life or hers, but that is not my primary purpose. And it's really important that we understand that God has vocations that He calls us to that transcend what we think is going on. Think about Moses, for example. Moses saw something, he tried to do something about it with the Israelites in bondage, he killed that Egyptian and he was going to deliver Israel one dead Egyptian at a time, evidently.

Well, that didn't work out too well for him. And so he's on the backside of the desert for 40 years tending sheep, thinking that this is it. Well, all the things he did while tending sheep, all those skills that he learned, God had purpose for those in leading His people out of bondage.

Jesus called His disciples, I'm going to make you fishers of men. He had purpose for this. He uses these skill sets we have in our daily life and all these kinds of things, but He has purpose for these things. Do we seek Him in it? You go through scripture after scripture after scripture seeing people learning to be diligent where they are in order to be prepared for what God has for them.

And He is working out all of these things in the midst of this. We keep wanting for a bailout or a big sign, you know, get me out of this Lord so I can be happy. Is that what scripture teaches? Is that what you see in scripture that God wants us to be happy?

I'm not seeing that. And I'd be curious to know who does, but I see a lot of scriptures about trusting Him, being diligent, being faithful, persevering, focused, and ready at a moment's notice to share the gospel, to comfort one another. If you remember what He said to Peter, He said, Satan has asked for permission to sift you like wheat, but when you have turned, I want you to strengthen your brethren. Sometimes we find that same principle with us is that we have been sifted, but when we've turned, now I've been down that road, painful things, but now my mission is to strengthen my brethren just as people strengthen me. Paul said in Corinthians, comfort one another with the same comfort you yourself have received from the God of all comfort. This is what I do on this program as an extension of what God has done in my life by using others, but I've respected the journey of realizing, okay, I'm not here just to cook and clean and do all these things. I'm here to be diligent in the midst of that, to seek Him in it, seek Him in it, not to just keep begging Him, pleading with Him and having hysterical conversations to get me out of it, but to trust Him in it.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil for thou art with me. In other words, we're going to walk through this and He's going to walk through it with us and it's okay for us to give it the respect it deserves. This is Peter Rosenberg and this is Hope for the Caregiver. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Hope for the Caregiver.

This is Peter Rosenberg and this is the program for you as a family caregiver. Hopeforthecaregiver.com, Hopeforthecaregiver.com. I don't want to belabor this issue, but I'm going to circle back just one more thing because I got a call this week from a guy and he actually said this to me, can't we petition God to expedite this process? I appreciate, no, well you can, you can ask, but I'm pretty sure that God, how many of you all, just raising hands, how many of you all have been successful at getting God to move at your pace as opposed to His? It's going to take what it takes. Sanctification is an unpleasant task for most of us. Some of, I think some people probably sail through it just fine, but maybe they haven't met those people yet, but it's not a pleasant process to go through these things. And he was wanting to hurry up and get through this and get on with his life.

Again, this same subject. He's wanting to go out and find somebody. He's had a marriage that crumbled and I said, dude, just slow down. I was talking to a friend who was a social worker and she said that the general rule of thumb for a lot of counselors when they talk to people about this sort of thing is give one month of waiting time for each year that you were married. And there's some of these people out there, their marriage ends in 30 years and they're ready to get out there and get going.

And I'm like, no, my goodness, please slow down. And I know the last couple of years of their life may have been involved in caregiving or whatever. Just take a breath and recognize that your time alone with God is incredibly valuable.

Being a healthy individual spiritually, emotionally, physically, financially, all those things doesn't happen if you just keep throwing yourself back into another relationship. But a lot of caregivers finish their caregiving task when their loved one dies and then they don't know what to do. And then they go out and find another caregiving task. And I had a lady that asked me this one time, said, you know, is this my calling in life to be a caregiver?

I don't think so. I think you're calling in life according to what everything I've seen in scripture. And I'll say it succinctly like the Westminster confession of faith does in the shorter catechism. Number one, he says, what is the chief end of man was to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. That's our calling in life. I understand that some people may spend a lifetime in caring for people just like some people may spend a lifetime in suffering. I was listening to a teaching the other day on this that there, you know, some people are called to the ministry and some people are called to suffer. Job comes to mind, that man who was born blind and Jesus' disciples said, you know, what was the deal with this guy? You know, what'd he do?

Was it his parents or him? And Jesus is like, no, guys, you get it all wrong. It was done to glorify God.

And that is the case for so many. I'm looking at my wife in this. I have zero doubt that God can heal her.

He's God. But when this thing stretches on for 40 years now for her, and He has yet to remove this from her, then we are left with no other path according to scripture that says that God has purposed in this. He has decreed in this, that this is a calling for her, a lifetime calling to trust Him in this suffering, that He is not going to alleviate on this side of heaven. And there's some people out there that really get into other things and they would probably argue with me.

I remember reading Joni Eareckson Tada's book and, you know, when she was first in this journey of being paralyzed, you know, she was hauled around to different healing crusades, Kathryn Kuhlman and all that stuff. And we've certainly done the same thing. I don't have any embarrassment of that. When you are struggling on the level we struggle with, you do.

You try anything. You know, Benny Hinn, I mean, Benny Hinn sent us some fruit while Gracie was in the hospital, a big basket of fruit. Very nice gift. I was very grateful. And I looked at Gracie, I said, you know you're having a bad day when the faith healer sends you fruit. You know, I don't know what to say, but here's some bananas, y'all. I mean, I see them. Y'all know how goofy I am. And I don't mean to cast aspersions on anyone else, whereas a friend of mine says cast asparagus on anyone else. I really don't.

I get that. But there's a point where you have to accept this is where we are. And I go back to that passage in Jeremiah 29. Most people will tell you Jeremiah 29, 11. Very few will tell you what it says a couple verses before when the Lord says through Jeremiah to his people, y'all be still.

Build houses, get married, have children, get your children married. Be still. I sent you there.

I will move you when I'm ready. And we thrash about at these things. And I think maybe one of the advantages that Gracie and I have is that we've been in this for so long that it becomes exhausting to keep thrashing about.

I was listening to my friend talk about this week and he said, can't we get God to expedite this so I could get on with my life and go find somebody. And I'm like, that kind of thrashing is only going to lead to more pain, sorrow, loss, confusion, craziness. There is a point where we get to, we just get, I'd love to tell you, for me anyway, I'd love to tell you that it was very spiritual.

But it's not. I just got tired. I mean, it's exhausting to stay keyed up like that all the time. And finally you just simply say, whatever, Lord, just whatever.

Thou knowest. I mean, again, I'd love to sound more spiritual than that, but I think I'm just tired. And the only thing that brings me rest is when I focus on the things of God. This is something I'm learning now, but think about how long I've struggled against this. And it's taken me decades to get to this point. And I'm, yes, a slow learner, but still, you know, I wanted so much to say, God, get, get us out of this. Do something, God. And this is the situation that a lot of people find themselves in and they want to get remarried again.

You know, they finally got a reprieve from the angst that they were living in, whether it's their loved one dies or they get divorced or whatever. I'm not here to offer commentary on that. I'm just simply telling you, this is what happens.

And they rush right back into the same scenario. Did you ever see this clip? Somebody sent this around.

I'll try to find it and post it on our Facebook group. And it shows this guy pulling a sheep out of this crevice that he had fallen in this kind of a ditch along the side of the road. And he pulls the sheep out by his hind legs. The sheep gets out, bounds down 10 yards and jumps way up there and lands right back in the crevice again. It's one of the funniest clips you'll ever see. And that's my Christian life.

That's Jesus with me. And there's another one where somebody showed a horse, a young, I think it was a filly, and they're full of a lot of energy when they're young. And we've got horses out here in Montana. When I go out and feed them, they come running up to me with the hay in the machine and they're just so excited. And the young ones are just kicking. I mean, they're just rearing up and bucking.

And you have to be careful because they don't mean to be, they're not trying to hurt you. They're just so excited that somebody showed up with food. And the older horse, it's a mare named Sierra, and she just kind of ambles along. She knows she's going to get the food and it's going to be there.

And she's not all that worked up about it. But this video somebody put out of a horse, a filly being, she had a halter on her rope, and then they connected her to a donkey. And the little filly was just bouncing all over the place and the donkey wouldn't move. It just kind of haunched down with its back hooves and just sat there, just very calmly while that filly just wore herself out trying to break away from this donkey. And finally, it acquiesced and came and just stood quietly by the donkey. And that's how they helped calm this filly down.

And I thought it was just brilliant to watch. And it's also a great picture of my Christian life. There's a point where you just wear yourself out and God's not going to move.

He's going to be God all by himself and he doesn't need me as a consultant and he is not going to get all that worked up about me spazzing out. And as I listened to this friend of mine this week and I thought, oh bless his heart, you know. And think of ourselves though as haltered to God. So when we want to run and the moment we come out of the barn, we're just so ready to go get into something else and we want to, we'll sign anything. It's like that lady talking about the last block or so, sign that prenup and we'll do anything because we just want to have something that makes us feel better. We want to feel free and unfettered. There's a great hymn though, Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing.

I don't have the caregiver keyboard hooked up right now and I'm very sorry about that. Carl in Texas loves it. Carl, I know you're listening.

You listen on the rebroadcast every Sunday night and I'm sorry I don't have it hooked up but I will try to make amends for that. But there's a great hymn, Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing. It says, O to grace how great a debtor, daily I'm constrained to be. Let thy goodness like a fetter, I just like that word fetter, bind my wondering heart to thee. Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it. Prone to leave the God I love. Here's my heart, O take and seal it.

Seal it for thy courts above. And that is my life. Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it. And so in His mercy, He binds me like a fetter to Him so that I'm not just basing out all the time. And I'm grateful for that and I would encourage as many people as possible to when they find themselves in a situation where they're starting over or they're wanting to maybe get married again after doing this, give it some time.

Don't be in a hurry. And I love what that counselor said, one month, don't start dating for one month for every year you were married. So some of you were married for 20 years. Give it some time, 20 months before you start dating again. Just give yourself time to heal and time to process. If the marriage ended poorly, if your husband or your wife died, give it time.

There is no hurry because my God shall supply all my needs according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus, not some other person. Give yourself a little bit of time, okay? And by all means, please do not sign any type of legal document going into a relationship with someone else without strong legal counsel, okay, to protect you and to keep good, healthy boundaries. And healthy boundaries help make healthy caregivers and healthy caregivers make better caregivers. This is Peter Rosenberger. We'll be right back. You've heard me talk about Standing with Hope over the years. This is the prosthetic limb ministry that Gracie envisioned after losing both of her legs. Part of that outreach is our prosthetic limb recycling program. Did you know that prosthetic limbs can be recycled?

No kidding. There is a correctional facility in Arizona that helps us recycle prosthetic limbs. And this facility is run by a group out of Nashville called Core Civic.

And we met them over 11 years ago. And they stepped in to help us with this recycling program of taking prostheses and you disassemble them. You take the knee, the foot, the pylon, the tube clamps, the adapters, the screws, the liners, the prosthetic socks, all these things we can reuse and inmates help us do it. Before Core Civic came along, I was sitting on the floor at our house or out in the garage when we lived in Nashville and I had tools everywhere, limbs everywhere, and feet, boxes of them and so forth. And I was doing all this myself and I'd make the kids help me.

And it got to be too much for me. And so I was very grateful that Core Civic stepped up and said, look, we are always looking for faith-based programs that are interesting and that give inmates a sense of satisfaction. And we'd love to be a part of this.

And that's what they're doing. And you can see more about that at standingwithhope.com slash recycle. So please help us get the word out that we do recycle prosthetic limbs. We do arms as well, but the majority of amputations are lower limb.

And that's where the focus of standing with hope is. And that's where Gracie's life is with her lower limb prostheses. And she's used some of her own limbs in this outreach that she's recycled. I mean, she's been an amputee for over 30 years. So you go through a lot of legs and parts and other types of materials, and you can reuse prosthetic socks and liners if they're in good shape. All of this helps give the gift that keeps on walking and it goes to this prison in Arizona, where it's such an extraordinary ministry. Think with that. Inmates volunteering for this, they want to do it.

And they've had amazing times with it. And I've had very moving conversation with the inmates that work in this program. And you can see again, all of that is standingwithhope.com slash recycle. They're putting together a big shipment right now for us to ship over. We do this pretty regularly throughout the year as inventory rises and they need it badly in Ghana. So please go out to standingwithhope.com slash recycle and get the word out and help us do more. If you want to offset some of the shipping, you can always go to the giving page and be a part of what we're doing there.

We're purchasing material in Ghana that they have to use that can't be recycled. We're shipping over stuff that can be. And we're doing all of this to lift others up and to point them to Christ. And that's the whole purpose of everything that we do. And that is why Gracie and I continue to be standing with hope. standingwithhope.com