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I saw one of the polls. I tried to look hard to see if there's anything positive about the Sienna New York Times poll, and one of which was they say for undecideds who change their mind late, they break nine points with Republicans. That's tradition. But why would I go ahead and go through with somebody else's numbers when I got Carl Rove with me, former deputy chief of staff for President Bush, and Fox News contributor, of course, and he'll be all part of the election coverage tonight. Carl, good to see you.
Good to be here in the mothership, the mothership. Yeah, right, right at Forty Eighth and Sixth in your favorite studio. Yeah, I'm in your, I'm in your favorite studio. I'm not allowed to say favorite studio. You know, because you're in so many.
Yeah, well, and it's you're seeing. I'm not allowed. My opinion doesn't matter.
So there is two things that happen that are let's say the October surprise and November surprise. The October surprise was was Dan Sullivan Jr. Dan L, whatever he is, fake fake Dan Sullivan, right? And the Dan Sullivan that we all know that you that work in the Bush administration, Dan S. Sullivan, who's a military veteran too.
And then you have the other surprise is Haley Stevens who says, you know, I can't vote for El Saeed. I am staying a Democrat, but I am out. Pick your surprise.
Well, those are both big surprises, and I, you know, and I, I just wish both of them had happened a few days earlier, so they had time to work their way through the system. But I got to tell you that New York Times story was jaw dropping about Dan Sullivan and what happened in Alaska. Think about it: the Patola campaign. Manager shares with and who then got ousted shares with the New York Times reporters the emails, the chronology, and the story of how this came about. And it starts with the campaign in combination with the Democratic Senate campaign committee.
Staffers are told go find every Dan Sullivan who's registered to vote in Alaska. Then they hire this guy Jared Kurtz from Ohio and send him up there, and he uses fake names. Approaches these people to say, "Would you consider running for the Senate?" Finds this guy in a little town that literally you can't drive to; you have to fly or go by boat to. Whose name is Dan Sullivan Jr.? Dan J.
Sullivan Jr. And he says, "Yeah, I like Patola, and I'm a Democrat." And they get him to run as quote a Republican." And this is all being coordinated with the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. They deny it. The Patola campaign. And two super PACs, and here's where it gets it, and a law firm, the Markelias law firm.
Here's where it gets. By the way, is Markelias involved in every underhanded thing that goes on in elections? Is that the hub of the Russian situation? Oh yeah, absolutely.
So this, this, according to the New York Times reporting, they one of these super PACs pays Kurtz eighty seven thousand dollars. And there may be other payments that are made, but but this one is to his consulting firm.
Now, why is that important? Because federal law prohibits coordination between a campaign and a super PAC. You cannot coordinate on expenditures. And somebody inside the campaign says to the super PAC, "Pay this guy because he's the guy who's helping us get the fake Dan Sullivan, and maybe some other." He goes to another one, the other the other Republican who's on the ballot. There are four.
People in the general election in Alaska. The other one he goes to, who's like a carpenter or something, and and and and says, "Why don't you run?" And the carpenter tells the New York Times reporters, "Well, yeah, I was probably already going to run, but that sort of kicked me over the over the the threshold. But but I was probably already going to run because God told me to run." Yeah.
So usually gets involved in elections. Exactly. Yeah. In fact, in fact, he gets involved in Alaska election. Everybody knows that.
Yeah. He's got a special affection for Alaska. Elections, but the the point is they coordinated, and that's a violation of federal law. And you know, and and now they're going to have to at some point, in all likelihood, explain who talked to the super, who talked to the super PAC, and told them to pay to pay Jared Kurtz, and were there other payments through other vehicles or avenues to to Kurtz? Kurtz is going to have to come forward and at some point, I suspect, and and answer questions to law enforcement.
So number one, Pelt. Is still lying. Yeah, she is. I mean, it's not believable. I didn't know anything about this.
I'm focused on only my candidacy and and the incumbent. She said that. Who believes that? Nobody. Nobody.
But I just hope that if she's going to lie about this, what else is she lying about? Along with her horrible behavior that was reported the month before, the way she treats staffers like they are minions, but beneath her. But having said that, Dan Sullivan is also one of the most effective senators in the country. He was effective during the Biden. Years making sure the alerting everyone to way the the the oil was not flowing through the pipelines at the capacity that it could always trying to do make a difference.
I can't believe he's even vulnerable in Alaska. Let me tell you, you don't know the start of the guy. You need to know the story behind him. I know him. He's a friend of mine.
I contributed to his campaigns. I encouraged him to run the first time. He's one of the most remarkable people I've ever met in politics. His family. Grew up in northeast Ohio.
Family owns the company that makes Restolium. It's a big company. He goes to Harvard, goes to Georgetown Law, graduates near the top of his class. And what does he do? Does he say, "Oh, I am going to get a clerk, federal clerkship"?
Do I am going to go home to Cleveland and go to work for the big Jones Day law firm? I am going to become general counsel of the family company eventually and live a wonderful life? No. He goes to the Marine Recruiting Station and joins the United States Marines. I meet him when he is a White House Fellow.
Now, the the very difficult program to get accepted to. There are four or five or six members of the military who are part of each class each year in the White House Fellows Program, and he was one of them. And I met him when he assigned, and he took up his assignment with the National Security Council, working for Condie Rice. And what he was doing was terrorist financing issues. And his first day on the job was.
January, January. Excuse me, September first, two thousand and one. And eleven days later, his job became awful damned important, and he did an extraordinary job tracking down and cracking down on terrorist financing.
So much so that at the end of his year as a White House fellow, Condie Rice says, "I want National Security Advisor. I want him for one year more." That never happens. The military are not allowed to do it. But she goes to the chairman, the joint chiefs, and says he's playing an important role. I want him for another year.
Pete Pace himself, a marine, smart enough to say I'm not going to get in a direct fight with Condi Rice because I'll lose. Instead, what he does is he says, "Let me think about it for a day or two." Comes back and says, "Okay, Condi, you can have Captain. I think he was Captain, maybe Major at that point. You can have him for another year." But he's got in advance sign a document that he will accept two consecutive back-to-back combat tours in the Middle East, and he says, "Where do I sign?" Spends one more year at the White House, and then back then the Marines were doing nine month tours of duty. Spends eighteen months in some of the toughest duty possible in the Middle East as a troubleshooter for Obseid, leading an elite team that did some really incredible things.
That's the kind of guy that we're talking about here. What a patriot, and what an exceptional human being! Right, and to be treated like this by by by corrupt people who say let's let's let's confuse. I can't beat them. I can't beat them straight up.
This is how you beat him. He had fifty three percent of the vote last time. Here is Governor Mike Dunleavy on some of his options. Cut twenty six. The individual contacted the Division of Elections here in Alaska.
He wanted his name on the ballot as Daniel Dan S Sullivan. His name is Daniel. It's not S. His middle name is initial. Initial is not S.
That's the initial of our incumbent state's U.S. Senator. As you mentioned, the campaign site look eerily similar to. The senators, and that just started the whole ball rolling.
So we've been investigating this at one level since June, but then the courts decided they were going to put the individual's name back on the ballot, and then with the New York Times article, it's really given us, I think, a lot more to work with at this point. Right.
So in terms of the investigation, but but what about the election? Yeah. Well, look, they at least made it made his name on the ballot, Dan J. Sullivan. I don't know if Junior's on it or not, but we now all know about it.
You know where's Mister Kurtz? Let's where where's he? He's going. He's in the wind. Where is the other Dan Sullivan?
He's disappeared too. Did he get any money? Did he get paid to run?
Well, we don't know.
So here's Mary Peltola, cut twenty seven. Is it possible that anybody in your campaign was potentially part of that conspiracy to plant Dan J? I have no idea. I honestly have. No idea.
This is offensive to me on a number of different levels. First of all, this is Alaska; we do we're not in the business of tricking each other up here. The second thing is, I know I can win this race. I've known since day one.
Well, you didn't believe it, or your staff didn't believe it. According to the source, she was she knew about it. Oh no, no, no! Her former campaign manager says yes, she was aware of it. And and and look, this this has got I mean.
It just is hard to believe that it's just simply not credible that this was all going on, and with all of these meetings and all of these staff people in this thing, that they did it by themselves without her awareness. She had to have blessed this in order; otherwise, what?
Somebody surely she didn't hire just simply a bunch of crooks and connivers to be on her campaign staff, who all thought this was a great idea. This had to be blessed. Yeah, here is Dan Sullivan, thirty. You do not have to vote for a corrupt senator or Senate candidate, which is what she is. Whose first order of business was to say, "Miss Schumer and his staff, let's figure out a way to cheat and steal votes from Alaskans." It is all in there.
None of this is disputed. Read the New York Times articles. Not he said, she said. It is receipts from text messages, from email. Mary Peltola's top campaign staffer, her top chief of staff, got weekly updates on the scheme for a year and a half, and she says she doesn't know.
It's ridiculous. No one buys it. No one buys it. Yeah, and I hope she goes down to defeat. This is just too ugly.
I mean, seventy thousand people already voted. They expect three hundred thousand to vote in Alaska. I think that's what's the challenge up there. Do you know? Is is it long drives to because we think it's open tundra, everything?
Yeah. No. Look, one part of it is is that you have a lot of villages, particularly in the north and west part of the state, that you they mail the ballots in, and so you know. You have to have the plane show up and pick up the mail and fly it. You know, so we're not going to get a result.
Well, look, they close at midnight Eastern time, and we'll be lucky to have a sense within twelve or fourteen hours of of because you do have you know you have Anchorage, Fairbanks, Juneau, some major some major towns that that that cast a bunch of ballots. But this thing is, and then we have to remember this is a ranked choice voting state, one of the two in the country. The other is Maine, and so you if nobody gets fifty. Percent on of of the total vote, you then have to begin allocating the second choice of this third and fourth. And I mean, this this will the only good that will come out of this.
We're going to kill rank. It's going to kill two rank choice voting. Back in a moment because I got to talk Texas when we return with James Tallerico, who suddenly wants to work with Trump. He's a builder. I want to work with a builder.
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Because the the promise of MAGA was that we were going to transform this government so that it delivered for the people who have been left behind, the people who have been forgotten in this country. And there's still time to do that. There's still time to do that on a bipartisan basis. If the president wants to work with with me or with any Democrat to expand health care access, I'm there. If he wants to make sure that every single kid in this country, oh, that that is that that's enough for James Talarico now saying he wants to work on a bipartisan basis with the builder Donald Trump.
Call Rove is our guest. Call no one knows Texas better than you. Do you think James Talarico is that bipartisan spirit that we need in this in the Senate? Look, I think he's a very smart. Operator, and I think he's run a very smart campaign, and he realizes Texas is a red state.
So he said, "I have worked on passing sixty bipartisan bills. These are bills that passed the legislature with overwhelming numbers." But he's going out of his way to sort of say, "I'm a bipartisan. I voted for the largest property tax increase in history." Now, of course, he voted for other things like a state income tax and against other property tax cuts. But he's smart enough to know he cannot come down the end at the end of this campaign. Saying the things that he has routinely said in the years before, like we need to abolish capitalism, or oil and gas jobs are going away, and that's a good thing because we have a climate, a climate issue.
We we no beef, no beef. No, wait a minute. We must reduce our consumption of beef because it's an existential threat to the climate. I mean, he can't get away with saying those things and win.
So he has smartly gone out of his way to say, "I'm." I'm a bipartisan kind of guy, and I'm I'm I'm for cutting property taxes.
So here's that's the same thing to do in Nebraska, the same thing to do in Kansas, same thing to do in South Carolina. Pretend to be somebody you're not, right? Because your positions are so unpopular. Yeah, yeah. And look, I live in Travis County, Austin, Texas.
It is the blueberry and the deep red sea. And if you're a Democrat in Travis County, except if you're running in the far western part of the county, which is Republican, Travis County is three to one Democrat, four to one Democrat. And you don't worry about anybody to your right. You worry about somebody to the left, and the things that he said. You know, like there are six genders, and you know, which is new to me.
They don't believe that in Comanche. In fact, here he is, cut thirty-three. There are many more than two biological sexes. In fact, there are six. There are some folks, and that would think that if you deny your child's gender identity, that that's incredibly harmful.
God is both masculine. And feminine, and everything in between. God is non-binary. Check, please. That should be it for Texas.
That would be it. But he just walked it all back. Yeah, yeah. No, but he is walking it all back. I mean, he said he said in response to that last piece of tape you had there.
He was asked about this was years ago that he said this, and he was asked about it recently, and he said, "Well, you know, I think the lesson is we shouldn't use human terms to describe God, and that's really wrong to do that." Well, that's what you did, buddy. You used human terms to try and describe the Almighty, and to Try him. Make him a political tool for you. That was October fourteenth, twenty twenty-one.
So it's not that far. Yeah. What do you predict?
Well, we have two competing things here. We have a very controversial Republican who's surrounded by charges of corruption, and we have a very, very liberal Democrat who had the energy and had and had and had the momentum. And the question is, here at the end, what's the tension between those two? There are people I run into them at the airport, or in the Starbucks, or at the local grocery store, or on the street walking. I literally walk in.
Lunch, and people will come up and say, "Oh my God, Paxton's so terrible!" But I'm worried about a Democratic Senate, and that's ultimately going to the tension there between you know the very you know scandalous. The scandals that's around the Republican Paxton and the liberal comments—they're not liberal, the incredibly progressive left-wing comments by Tulsi. Co. The tension is ultimately going to decide the race.
So, ultimately, Paxton has gotten elected in the state of Texas a lot. Yeah, but beaten back a lot of competition, including George P. Bush. That's right. But remember two two things.
Well, first of all. This he was impeached in 2023. After he got reelected in 2022, he was impeached, and so all of this stuff that now about the girlfriends and the fake Uber account paid by the corrupt business guy and the dealings with the corrupt business guy and the favors that he does on behalf of him, appointing a quote special prosecutor, which is a title that doesn't exist in Texas, for the sole purpose of going after the creditors of the corrupt business guy. All of that stuff came after his last race. His last race was.
2022, and even in 2022 and 2018, there was something about him. He trailed the rest of the Republican ticket in 2022 by 155,000 votes. How did he win? How did he beat Cornyn? Donald J.
Trump endorsed him. They said that he was going to win anyway, and that Trump trumped in the last minute. No, you don't believe that. No, look, I was, I got access to the to the outside polling. Trump delivered him.
Trump delivered him. No ifs, ands, or buts. The president's endorsement is enormously powerful. Thanks so much, Carl. Going to be an exciting night.
You're not making a prediction. I'm not.
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