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This is Russ East, your host, setting in for Stu Epperson. Today we're going to be on Missions Monday, we're going to be talking to my friend Bill McKeever. Bill McKeever is the Director for Mormonism Research Ministry. And I have a few questions for Bill. Bill, are you there?

I am there. How are you doing?

Well, I guess I'm here. You're there. Yes, we appreciate the ministry God has put on Your heart for many, many years now, and that's to reach. our friends who are Mormons With the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If you have a question for Bill, you can call in at 866-348-7884.

That's 866-488-848-848-848. 348-7884. We're going to touch on a couple of things here that I think we're going to Our listeners are going to find this interesting, and hopefully, it will. prompt them to want to even more so reach our Mormon friends for Christ. Pray and open your mouth and ask a question and show them that Jesus is enough.

One God, one Bible, one wife. We're going to talk about polygamy a little bit.

Now, Bill, is it true And steer me in the right direction. as a Mormon leader. Let's just say if you're a Mormon leader or you're just an everyday Mormon, If you are married and you and your spouse dies. And you've gotten sealed in the Mormon temple with that person, but that person dies, you're a surviving spouse. and you remarry.

Now, get married into the temple again, are you going to have two wives in heaven? According to Mormonism. It all depends. It's a concept that's kind of a phrase out here called celestial polygamy. And what that means is that in the case of death, if a man has been sealed for eternity, not only time but eternity, to a woman, and that woman passes away, if he were to get remarried to another woman and seal to her in the temple also for eternity, yes.

Yes, he has the hope, according to Mormonism, that he will be with that woman as well.

Now the catch is, she cannot be sealed to another man. Men can be sealed to more than one woman. Women cannot be sealed to more than one man. And that is very important to understand. Let me give you an example.

The seventeenth President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Russell M. Nelson. Who's going to be one hundred and one here? Very soon. Russell M.

Nelson. Was married to a woman named Dansell White. She died in 2003. five. Russell M.

Nelson then Remarry. He was married to a woman named Wendy Watson in two thousand six. Wendy Watson had not been sealed to another man Prior to her marriage to Russell M. Nelson. So, what you can say, if Mormonism is true, which I don't think it is, but they do, but they firmly believe.

Russell M. Nelson and Wendy Watson believe that they are going to be married in the hereafter. Along with with Dancell White being a part of that trio. The same is true. for Dallin H.

Oaks. Who's a member of the first presidency? He also was married to a woman who died in 1998. Her name was. June Dixon.

He remarried a woman whose name was Kristen McMaine in the year 2000. And Dallin Oakes firmly believes that he is going to be married to both women in the next life.

So, yes, this is still a part of Mormonism. I know we always hear from many Latter-day Saints saying, oh, our church has nothing to do with plural marriage. nothing to do with polygamy. And In a certain respect, that is true. They do not believe in practicing polygamy the way it was practiced in the 19th century.

What I mean by that is you are not allowed. in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints to have two living spouses at the same time. But you can certainly have a living spouse and one or even more dead spouses that you have been sealed to. And according to Mormonism, They hope to be spending eternity with all those that have been sealed to them. For eternity.

So, is this new and everlasting covenant, if I understand it correctly, this is the formal term for this? Am I right on that, Bill?

Well, polygamy has been referred to that way, the new and neverlasting covenant yes And that is something that certainly Joseph Smith brought about. You see this in Section 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants, which is kind of an interesting thing, Russ. is if polygamy was really Dead and not even a part of Mormonism at all. Why is sexual 132, still in their scriptures. It's still there.

I remember having a conversation. with a sister missionary at Brigham Young's home, the Beehive House. And the question was raised if if the current President was Reintroduce pollution. and say that That's perfectly okay. Would she be part of it.

She said, well, I'd have to pray about it. My thought is, well, why would you even have to pray? about it it's still a part of your theology. your scripture if the prophet says Do it, shouldn't you listen to what he's saying and engage in that practice?

Now, is this new and everlasting covenant, this pledge? plural marriage, this polygamy in heaven, is this a prerequisite to reach the highest level of the celestial Degree of glory in the Mormon concept of heaven? Is this a prerequisite to become? fully exalted and to reach godhood.

Well, uh Uh plural marriage, no. But they do believe that You must be married in a temple for eternity. But this is a significant switch in LDS theology. Let me explain why. Brigham Young, who was the Second president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1866.

He taught the only men who became Yeah. Even the sons of God are Are those who enter into polygamy? And then in 1873, Three He taught now where a man in this church says, I don't want but one wife, I will live my life. Religion with one, he will perhaps be. Saved in the Celestial.

Kingdom. But when he gets He will not find himself in possession of the of any wife at all. All. He has had a talent that he has hid up.

So Brigham Young was hinting: yes, you could get into the celestial kingdom. But let's not forget in Mormon theology there are three levels. within the celestial kingdom. And you're hoping to get to that top level because that's where where you get all the benefits. of exaltation.

Bill, stay with us. Stay with us. We have to take a break. We'll be right back. If you're listening to Truth Talk Live, call us with your questions, 866-348-7884.

Welcome back to Swift Talk Live. This is Ruf East, your host. I'm with my friend Phil McKeever, Director for Mormonism Research Ministry. You can go to mrm.org. That's mrm.org.

and you can find all kinds of wonderful resources. as to how you can better reach your Mormon friends for Christ. We've been talking about polygamy and how it relates to Mormon teaching. And so we want to keep moving along on this topic about these three levels of heaven and the re requirements to become a God, Godhood, Exaltation, and so forth. We can talk more about that, but let me just ask you this question, Bill.

Does do Mormons teach that Jesus had more than one wife. Was that ever a a doctrine taught by a a authoritative figure in Mormonism or has that been done away with? What do you say to that?

So we can get it right, so we can understand what this church really believes.

Well, if you were to bring that up. Yeah. They would probably respond by saying something. there's nothing official. that says so, but let's think about it.

If plural marriage was necessary For exaltation. Why wouldn't Jesus? The Jesus of Mormonism, I mean, during his incarnation, his mortality. Why wouldn't he practice it? Because Latter-day Saints are.

are told to follow the example of Jesus. And Jesus, of course, lived the law perfectly. If that's really a part of the law, why? wouldn't he have done that?

Now, I know of at least two Two LDS apostles that did teach that Jesus was, in fact, married during his mortality. One of them was Mormon Apostle Orson Proteus. Horsen Hyde. Horsen Hyde. H-Y-G-E.

Anyway, uh this can be found in a a set of books called The Journal of Discourse. Volume 4, page 259. There's no date given for this talk, and that's kind of unusual because most of the talks that are listed in the journal are dated. But Orson Hyde said, It will be borne in mind that once on a time there was a marriage in Cana. of Galilee.

And on a careful reading of that translation, it will be discovered Yeah. less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his influence was. Intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary, that would be Mary Magdalene. Also, whom Jesus loved must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best.

Now, Orson Pratt, another Mormon. apostles said one thing is certain That there were several holy women that greatly loved Jesus, such as Mary, Martha, her sister, and Mary Magdalene. And Jesus greatly loved them and associated with them much. And when he arose from the dead, Instead of showing himself to his Chosen witnesses, the apostles, he appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them, namely Mary Magdalene.

Now it would be natural for a husband in the resurrection to first appear. Yeah. own dear wives. and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were his wives.

Now, let me address what. Orson Hyde said because he refers to the Marriage in Cana of Galilee.

Now, first of all, the Bible tells us that Jesus was invited to that wedding. You don't invite the groom to his own wedding.

So that just makes no sense at all. But certainly, these two men we do have on record as stating that they believed, at least, that Jesus was in fact married, and not just to one woman, but in this case, according to these quotes, he was married to at least three women. There's no mention of this at all. All in the New Testament. This is just made-up old cloth, and it's made up in order to try and justify the teaching of plural marriage by making it look like Jesus participated in it.

But yet, during the polygamy period in Mormonism, in the 19th century, they also argued that God the Father was a practicing polygamist.

So while they talked often about God and Heavenly Mother. You can imagine if you're a Latter-day Speaker. Saint living in the 19th century, it wouldn't be just God and Heavenly Mother, it would be. God and heavenly mother. Wow, wow.

For everyone listening out there, the reason why we're bringing this up is not to be hateful, it's not to be mean. We just want you to understand that these guys that come on their bicycles to your homes, These Mormon missionaries, we want to reach them with the true gospel because they've been.

some very disturbing wrong teachings about the nature of God, his character, who he is and what he's done and so forth.

So, right, what Bill just said is that. Is it The father has more than one wife, and so this is This is all documented and you can go to mrm.org and you can see where these things are documented. What about Islam? And the connections there, would you say that You know, I'm just wondering, do you think God never condoned polygamy like we we know that Jacob had you know, a couple of concubine kind of ladies, you know, that Let's put uh bore him some children and things and God never condoned that, you know, and David and Solomon. We know all of this.

But God never condoned that. God never commanded that. He ordered. Adam and Eve. And then you look in the New Testament and it's it's one you're a one woman man.

Right? Yeah, we can wife. You're correct. We don't really see anywhere in the Bible where God ever commands anyone to practice polygamy. It's more like God taught.

And yet Joseph Smith claimed he was commanded to practice this teaching. He even tells the story about once when he. Was doubting whether he should, that God sent an angel with a flaming sword, you know, to convince him that he better do it, or his life was going to be forfeit.

Well, that's not unusual that a con man would use an argument. like that. And if certainly you don't want to bring any harm to this particular person, you're probably going to do what he says. And so Joseph Smith uses a lot of this manipulation. in some cases to convince some of these young women to eventually become one of his plurals.

And the church has made. To this day, that Joseph Smith had between 30 and 40 plural wives. And then, how does this relate also to Islam? In Islam I remember an article that MRM put out, many wonderful articles. MRM.org, you can find it.

But but in in Islam, is it more of like a like a reward, kind of like a sensual r reward for for obeying Allah and so forth? And and and kind of sad and different here with Mormonism though. It is different. Islam does have a type of polygamy in the hereafter, marriage in the hereafter. You can see Surah 52:21, for instance.

That says, and those who believe and whose offspring follow them in faith. to them shall we join their offspring and we shall not decrease The reward of their deeds in anything.

So it kind of hits to this idea of a family. Unit in the The next life. But from what I understand in Islam, there's a lot of. agreement and there's not a lot of clarity as to how all that plays out.

So I guess it would probably matter As to which Muslim you're talking to.

However, when it comes to Mormonism A lot of what they believe in the hereafter. has been written down. It's been spoken of in general conference, it's been talked about in a lot of Books written by their leaders.

So we have a lot more clarity, I think, when it comes to Mormonism. Over Islam. Got it.

Well, listen. We really appreciate you being on, and I want to just encourage our listeners from Toledo, Ohio. From Dayton, Ohio, Lynchburg, Virginia, just all over North Carolina, and the triad and the triangle and Charlotte, Spartanburg. We have a lot of people listening out there right now and and the Mormon missionaries are are are out there 24-7 and we've we've we've got to get better equipped in how to reach them with the gospel, right, Bill? Absolutely.

Absolutely. give give Bill, send him an email, go to the website and you'll find That Bill and Eric and his whole staff there, they have great resources, and we'll connect you with them. Bill can come out and speak at your event. It'd be a great time to have a great workshop on reaching Mormons for Christ. Stay with us.

I've got a friend of mine named Fred Wilson, who was in the country of Ghana in Africa. It did a Huge outreach. to help churches better reach Mormons for Christ under Utah Partnerships for Christ. Stay with us. Thank you, Bill, for taking time out to be on Truth Talk Live.

My pleasure. Truth Talk Live. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. This is Russ East, your host. I'm sitting in for Stu Epperson and so excited that you are with us today.

Another big shout out to our friends in Toledo, Ohio, Dayton. in Richmond, Virginia. Glad that you are with us. I've got my friend. His name is Fred Wilson, and Fred.

gave me a phone call And he told me that he had a heart to reach Mormons In Ghana, in Ghana, Africa. And so Fred, do you remember that phone call you made a a number of months ago? Yes, I think it was maybe about a year ago when we had our initial conversation. Where I caught you on the riverbank as you were waiting for some young people to come down the river from Rassin. They they were they were doing some rafting, they were doing some tubing Yes, they were on a mission trip to Utah, it was their day off.

And I was just waiting for them to come down and taking some video of them, pictures and all. And uh and then I get this phone call, random phone call from the Fred Wilson, and Fred tells me that he lives in the Washington DC area and that he has a heart to reach Mormons in Ghana. And so he said, can I come out to Utah? Could I come out and learn about the culture? Could I get more acquainted?

With what Mormons believe and how they think, and can I meet some people out here? And so, actually, you had a chance to come out to Utah. And we uh were able to get you introduced to Bill McKeever and and Eric Johnson at Mormonism Research Ministry, who we just had on the program, and we were talking about some of the So the kind of the more uh disturbing obscure teachings of Mormonism that should prompt us all the more to reach them with the gospel. Uh it it it should do that to us. But today, I'm so excited that you're with us, Fred.

Because you had a chance. to go to Ghana after you came to Utah. You you went out to Ghana. First of all, what sparked up this whole interest in reaching Mormons in Ghana? Can you just.

Can you pinpoint that, or can you just kind of share? Was that kind of a personal moment with you and the Lord? Did you have Mormon missionaries come to your home? What was going on there? Oh my goodness.

Um, I have been on a journey Probably I think for the past five to six years. I have been going on mission trips around the world Then twenty fourteen. I've been to Caribbean countries I've been to Mongolia three times. And I've been to Ecuador once, and now I've been to Ghana.

So as you can see, my travels, my goal is to go to all seven continents and share the gospel. And when I go to Anne's article, if I have to share the gospel to penguins, I will go ahead and do that.

So right, right. Um how it all started. After I returned from one of my mission trips to the Caribbean country, And my wife received the infamous knock on the door. It was two young missionaries from the church. Ask them if they wanted to hear the response.

gospel. And my wife said that she would not be interested, but if they come back in a couple of days. Mauha. Will be home, and I'm certain he would be interested in wanting to talk with you.

So they came back. I was home. And um he knocked on the door And I and after they said, did you want to hear more about the Short gospel, I said, yes, please come on in. And that should have been the first warning, Simon. This is not going to be your typical appointment.

So we came into our uh living room And we started having a dialogue. They were sharing with me their information about Joseph Smith, the restored gospel. And I started sharing with them my information about who Jesus was. I thought I was somewhat knowledgeable about the Bible. And my wife said that we weren't actually having a dialogue here, it was more of a debate.

And that started me on this journey. And I said, let me find out. More about The L D S Church. Growing up, I knew about the LDS Church and I heard the stories about them. Um, but this time I said, Let me just find out more.

And so the more I read, studied and listened the more I became Intrigue. You're fascinating. What intrigued me was, how could someone read the same Bible that I'm reading and understanding? and come up with a completely Different belief. To me, that just didn't make sense.

So I had multiple conversations. I was in the ward. I had group meetings and lunches. Um, and it was just something that I always look forward to doing. And then one day, as I was doing my studying at my home, I said, let me just see you.

where this church is going is it's spreading throughout the world.

So I went on the internet And let's see if they're in Africa.

So I pulled up the map of Africa. And I went to the LDS site and I saw where churches were being built. In Africa. I was like, oh my goodness. Temples.

Or built. And then I saw where more were being planned. And I'm like, oh my goodness, it's spreading.

Now it's in Africa.

Someone who is African American, I'm like, no way. I just can't believe that they're in Africa.

So I started praying about it. And I and I asked, Lord, you know, you know, what is it that you want me to do? And I knew that the Lord was calling me to go to um Africa. and just share the true Jesus. And and and to share their history.

That's when I knew I needed to go to Salt Lake City and get more information. And I couldn't find anyone around that had you know any Cool. ministry of sharing the gospel uh to Mormons you know, in Africa, let alone in the US. We were connected. And then We decided I knew twenty twenty five, let's go to Africa.

And let's share the gospel to members of the LDS Church. And what we did. And you are listening to a podcast, I believe, with Bill McKeever and Marv Cowan, who's who's a gentleman who's been doing ministry in Utah for a long time. I think You talked with him and he said, Well, maybe get in touch with But this Russ guy, you know, or Bill, or just get talking to these guys over here in Utah. And um And then one thing led to another.

And then all of a sudden now the doors start to open and we start making some connections. with people that are in Ghana through some connections we had that the Lord gave me here in the United States. And boy, we had some challenges. We had some challenges just to get into the country with visas and things like that, and timing of things, and the Lord was good. And we're going to hear more about all of this.

But um as as the days led up to that trip to to Ghana It was a blessing for you to start making those connections. And so we want to start to be thinking now about what that trip was like for you. And then we'll continue talking about it into the end of this segment. And then in the last segment, we want to talk about. a trip that we are hoping to take In October to Southern Virginia University, Southern Virginia University in the Lynchburg area.

So, any listeners out there in Lynchburg, Listen up because we want to take some liberty students or professors or anybody who has a burden to. Reach Mormons there. But let's talk about Ghana some more.

So we got the the the different itinerary plans uh put together. And we had we had workshops.

So you took off on a plane and and and you and you sailed into Accra Ghana. And then, what were some of your first encounters with people on that first or second day? Can you kind of walk us through that? What was that like?

Well, I arrive on a Friday. In the morning, Um I was a little tired.

So my first interaction was Friday evening. I woke up and we had a driver. I met him at the, well, courtesy of the front desk. His name was Joe. And I shared with him what I was hoping to do And I shared with him, you know, I wanted to go to the Mormon temple.

So he's like, he knew where it was. And I share with them what what my what our intentions was. And so here we are. Friday evening. driving to the Mormon temple No point mentioning Nothing.

We get to the gate, you know, th th they they have about an eight foot Um automatic Our gate. He hopped his horn. And they let us in, and we went and we found a parking space. And I'm like, all right, Lord, what do I do next?

So Um, I got I got my book I got my book bag out and I just started walking. And I started walking towards the the temple itself. And there was seven people about that were exiting. The church. And they each had a plastic bag.

With clothes inside of it.

So I knew that they had just finished. Do under baptism for the dead. And I went up there. to share with them. I'm an American.

I shared with them why. I'm in Ghana. And I asked them to, you know, tell me about their well, their their faith. And they shared and and they shared with me that they were members of the L D S chart. And I I asked them, you know, uh, from what I was reading, And I asked them if they were familiar with the history of the church.

This is me just. client just to see what they knew. And they weren't that familiar.

So I started sharing with them about the history of the Mormon Church. And why I as an African Americans Yeah. to Ghana to share with them the the truth. Very few of them really understood The History of the priesthood ban They didn't understand about the curse of Cain. Um Um they don't understand any any of those um Important aspects of the history that growing up in the United States.

we knew a little bit about, but from doing my research, I found out A lot more in terms of why there's very few African Americans that are members of this church. As I continue to share We didn't really get into a seated conversation. conversation One of the women said I'll never forget she said.

Well, I don't know what you talk about. only thing I know is I have the fullness of the gospel. And then she walked away. And I sort of smile. But there was one gentleman His name was Odil.

And of course coming out from the temple, he he had his Melchizedek and Aaronic priesthood. And he said he was interested in learning more. And I him you know if he would like some literature And he said yes.

So we didn't have any. with us.

So we we went back to the hotel And then I came back with all this literature and books. And I gave it to him. And he was a prisoner. He ends up reading some of the material. And it's like.

Hold that thought, would you, Fred, and stay with us? We have a break. We'll be right back here on Truth Talk Live. We're going to hear more from Fred about his trip to Ghana, Africa, reaching Mormons for Christ. Stay with us.

Truth Talk Live Welcome back to Truth Talk Live with the Trust East. your host. I want to give a special shout out to our friends in Richmond. Virginia, in Ohio, in Utah, Salt Lake City, Layton, Provo, Ogden. All of our friends in Uh the the Raleigh area.

Winston. Our our truth talks. Listener. friends and prayer warriors. You're listening to Fred Wilson sharing, giving glory to God.

for how that our friend Kurt Schneid came out to do video. later in the trip because we had some delays for his visa, But Basically, we've got Fred out there all by himself. And and he's he's connecting with some pastors out there, but I'm going to have him continue to tell about his time at the temple, the Mormon temple. And you reached of a man named Otis continued. Continue on if you would, Fred, about Otis.

Yeah. So We came back from the hotel. And I was able to provide Oldest With some material. um about the history and one of the books Well, I think the forty-one questions about the The Mormon faith Written by Sandra Tanner. Right.

Material And I think two days later, we were able to have a joint conversation with him and another pastor, and we started to go through The information that was presented, and he started to ask questions.

So our goal is to have continuous conversations with Odin and others. And this is how you begin to really to start bringing forth The truth. Um, you know, I always say The LDS church They talk about having the rest. gospel But what we want to do is share the true gospel. And that's what God would have for us to do, is to share the true gospel.

Amen. Amen. And so So After that first encounter with a few people there at the Mormon Temple. And then and then I think the Lord opened up some doors for you to meet with a pastor, Eric Wusa. Pastor Eric Rusa.

Tell us about the time you had with the believers. They were thirsty. They were wanting that information because. They hadn't really been explained. They didn't even the pastors didn't really know The differences between Mormonism and Christianity because when you go on a map and you look at churches in the Accra area and around that area, it says Christian churches, and those are Mormon churches.

And so nobody knows how to really equip them.

So tell us how did that go? during your first workshop, your first training seminar. Yeah, the first training workshop went fabulous. We had a Approximately five hours. I know it's not because I can I could talk that long, but We went from the very beginning.

Of who Joseph Smith was, the church, their teachings. And then I explained to them about the fourth statement that the church. issues regarding race One was in 1949. Then 1969, then you had the big one in 1978, the new revelation. And then you have the one from the Gospel uh S essay.

Think about it. What shirts? out there that had the right Hey uh statements regarding race. The eldest church has had.

So, um I the conclusion of this presentation. Um there was more Energy about wanting to reach. I'm members of this church. Because they see it growing. Throughout Africa.

And as a result of that, Because they I had another presentation. with the full Gospel men's group as a result of that presentation.

So I am energized about people wanting to know the truth. Because that's one of the main reasons how the church is spreading throughout Africa. Because most people do not understand the history of the church. Um and let al let alone their doctrines.

So you have two big issues that you're trying to inform. The doctrine and their history. And the history of the church, as I share with people, is parallel.

So the race history that has plagued the United States. It it it runs parallel. And so when I start to share the the same parallels from the from the LDS church. You know, they're somewhat surprised. And I especially tell them that the number one issue that has plagued The LDS Church inception.

Is right. Then you have to ask yourself, why is that? Why, if we believe in the same God, why is it that they have had? This Problems with race, and it's because in accordance with their Doctrine, we as African Americans, we were cursed. We were cursed with black skin, and this cursing came from God.

It started from the beginning in the premortal In the premortal world. This is how it all started. And this is what I have shared with them. and explain to them to them why. There should not be a Yeah.

There should not be one. John LDS Church. are simple and accurate. Africa. If they knew the history, there should not be one.

Let me ask you, Fred. Let me ask you, Fred. You live in the DC area. And you have a passion for this. Yeah, that's a good idea.

If if we were given an opportunity to go back to Ghana. Uh would you would you welcome having like say a maybe an informational meeting and and and you and I could go to a church in North Carolina or Ohio or wherever this is being heard and and listened to right now, maybe it's on the Truth Network app. Uh You you feel like the Lord's leading us to go back to Ghana and and to continue to equip Christians here in the US and maybe get some more people to go to Ghana maybe next year?

Well, the truth of the matter is, yeah. The key, and this is where we as Christians, where we have to be more viligent. I've been to one country Gone. Ghana is between seventy percent to eighty percent Christian. And this church is growing.

In approximately about maybe 10 or 15 years, there could be another 16 churches. Give me a ti sixteen temples for me. Fifteen temples built. In Africa. Wow.

And it's not only in Ghana. They have a temple in Nigeria. They have a temple in South Africa. And it's spreading throughout. The continent.

In the Democratic Republic of Congo, this so it's not so much. Got us we have to go Throughout Ah, okay. sharing the same information that we're having now.

So if we want to have A group of people going, absolutely, let's go. But I'm saying we won't just stop at Ghana. There's more countries Where the church is spreading because the members that are joining the church. are not aware of their history. What an opportunity that we have here on Mission Monday here on Truth Talk Live.

On this station, to be able to to proclaim the Great Commission on in in such a important Area here, like going to Africa, that we want to reach out with grace and truth to our Mormon friends. You got to tell the story about on your last day, I think it was when Kurt was doing video and you were sharing, and a man came up behind you. You were talking to some Mormon missionaries, right, in Tema. Absolutely. Yeah, tell us about that.

This is the power. of the Holy Spirit on our last Last day in the evening around Around six o'clock. Um there was a Mormon ward Of maybe 50 yards from where we were standing, close enough you could throw a rock and you can hit their property.

So I was like, let's go out there because all day long we didn't see anyone there. Then in the evening, we saw people riding bikes and we saw some lights on.

So I said, let's go. Again, no appointments.

So, um we get our bag. As Kurt got his camera And we walk across That's three. And there were two mish missionaries They're in the parking lot on their bicycles, just getting ready to leave. One was from Papua New Guinea. Um The other From South Africa.

And I I ask them, well, I share with them. Why I have come to Ghana. I'm from the United States. And I asked him if I could ask. them some questions.

And then we started talking and I with them. I am not a believer. of the church. I was I was right up front. And then I Um I was trying to tell them I do not believe in the teachings of uh Joseph Smith.

And then I started and then I asked them, were they familiar with the history? Um The Mormon Church. And they said, no, they heard some bits and pieces, but they were not.

So I started sharing with them more. Then we started. Then I started to read passages from the Bible. We didn't really You get that much into an agreement. We started talking about agency where Uh they took the position that through agency We now we have The observation.

Yeah. So choose. You know, how we want to believe as a result of agencies.

So at the end of our conversation, I knew we we weren't going somewhere.

So I asked them if they had been to the house where we were staying, which was a YWAM house. And for those listeners that are not familiar, YWAM stands for Youth with a Mission. There there's individuals. that are part of this ministry around the world. whose main purpose is to assist it.

understanding the importance of discipling and how to disciple others. It is mostly with young people.

So I asked them if they wouldn't mind coming over to the Wywen house and meet people that were there. And they said sure. Fred, guess what? I'm so sorry, Fred. We we've got about forty seconds left, unfortunately.

But let me just say that that um a man made a profession of Christ or some type of a commitment to Christ That was that was listening to your conversation to the Mormon missionaries, right? Absolutely. He accepted the profession of faith from a Christian and not from hearing the missionaries what they were saying. Praise God. If you'd be interested in going to Ghana or you want to help underwrite our costs, go to UPFC.com.

Go to Google it. Utah Partnerships for Christ. Thank you, Fred. I'm beautiful.