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Alright, so I just released an article, I don't know, maybe 20 minutes ago or so. Um On what are some of the problems with the LDS standard works on God? And I went through, I spent a lot of time on this. I went through. A lot of their so-called scriptures.

I mean, I went through a lot. I have a list of things, so many, that I started a different file just keeping. Track of all the things I went to and referenced just for this one article. Looks how many. How many did I go through?

I went through thirty-four different citations um And uh the LDS Book of Mormon, Doctor of Covenants, Program Price, and of course, King James. I did it on their website. The website is Church of Jesus Christ. Let's see, was it the Church of Jesus Christ, right? The Church.

Let's see, church, yeah, churchofjesuschrist.org. And um It's a well done site, I'll admit that. And so what I did was I developed a list of their uh what they called scriptures. I don't grant that they're scriptures. DNC, all kinds of stuff in DNC, in the Book of Mormon, and the Book of Abraham.

And what I was doing, what I did, was I went through. Oh man, it took me days. um of comparing information uh between different Different sets of scriptures, the Book of Mormon, DNC. Book of Abraham and Joseph Smith history. And um I found a lot, I should say, I found some serious contradictions.

in their scriptures. And I also found some that maybe contradiction, maybe not. I didn't put those in. I didn't want to get into possibilities.

So I went in and I did this. What are some of the problems with the LDS stuff?

So, for example, one God versus more than one God. In Alma 11, 26 and 29, and Zezram said unto him, Thou sayest there is a true and living God. And Amalek said, Yeah, there is a true and living God.

Now Zezram said, Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. And yet in Abraham's chapter 4 and 5, it teaches there's multiple gods. D and C 132.20 says, and they shall be gods because they have no end, blah, blah, blah. And yet the Book of Mormon says there's only one God, Lama Levi.

And the Pearl of Great Price yet teaches multiple gods.

So this is a contradiction.

Now, they have their standard responses. I'm going to just say that they have their standard responses. What I try and do is respond to their responses. And so I have this pro in this, I think, how many did I get? Six areas.

Six things that were problematic. And um So some of them say, well, one God refers to this world, not all worlds. But that's not what Alma says. I've heard this so many times.

Well, just referring to this world.

Well, how do you know? Show me from the text, it's all in reference to this world because it says, No, there's only just one. And if they say there's one in purpose rather than one in number, then the burden is on them to provide that from the text as well. You know, a lot of times what Mormons will do is they'll interpret what the verse means.

Well, it means only of this world. But where does it say that in the text? And They It's really sad. You know, it's just sad. I'm going to just say this.

This happens across the board with Christians as well. and as the LDS Mormons, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox. Uh Muslims. I find very frequently they're not sinking. They react.

They don't think about what the truth might be. It's only only one option. Their church is the true church. And that's what always gets me. Their church is the true church.

I get this so many times from people, and which reminds me, I went into. Uh the um Excuse me, I went into The virtual world might have a An Oculus headset. And I went in. Last night? Was it last night?

Yeah, last night. I do so many things I can't even tell. This morning, I think it was last night because I was so busy today.

So I went into an Eastern Orthodox area and I had this 40-minute conversation with people. And I presented information. And all I can tell you is Ah, boy, are they not thinking And here's something I'm going to just boil down to something. I'm going to just boil something down here and just say something. is the Bible talks about Varying witness of Jesus.

and the truth of who Christ is. It does not talk about the the truth of a restored church. or some organizational apostolic church. It doesn't talk about that. It talks about Christ.

Now, did Christ establish a church yet? And then they all say, Yeah, we're the true church with our clergy, blah, blah, blah. It just gets me. And people just regurgitate what they've been told. This is what cults do to people.

They get them to not think, they get them to. only understand what they want the way they want them to understand. And I find this across the board so many times. And it's insightful to me. Because I ask myself the question about them.

I'm thinking about. uh going down this avenue more frequently. is to find out what their ultimate source of truth is. Because It's their ultimate source of truth is their church. I ask him, How do you know your church is true?

And it always comes down to they have a feeling that our church is true. And that's what it comes down to. They feel it. And when I show problems in their church, they react very negatively. And Okay.

Yeah, negatively. Obviously. And it was I was just thinking how many different ways of of the negative reaction they get now. The the people I was talking to last night and the EO, they weren't rude, okay.

Well, one guy was a little, he kept interrupting constantly. And I kept saying, Le d dude, let let me finish my sentences and and after a while he'd calmed down and and we we had the conversation.

Now I've had some little difficult people at times, but um you know, for the most part most part, they can be pretty polite. And we had this conversation last night on the Eastern Orthodox stuff, and I've been using this argument that I'm finding very powerful. Is that neither the Roman Catholics nor the Eastern Orthodox churches have apostolic authority because the apostolic authority is decided by Jesus and instituted by Jesus in Matthew chapter 10. And in Matthew chapter 10, he summoned the twelve disciples, verse 1, and the 12 disciples. He gives the names of the text there, and the name of the apostles, and he calls them the apostles.

And he said to heal every kind of disease and every kind of sickness. In verse 8, heal the sick, raise the dead. And so the Evidence of this is found in the book of Acts, where great multitudes, great crowds followed the disciples, the apostles, because they were doing this all the time. Not once every 300 years, or you hear some story about some guy over there someplace, and that's it. No, there were crowds following them, the apostles, just following.

Multitudes, it says.

Well, that's because they were doing these things on command and very frequently. And so I asked the EO and the RC, the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, I asked them.

So is your are your uh people doing this? Oh, of course they are. Really? Or where are the great crowds?

Well, they have great crowds for the Marian apparitions and I said And I'm like, okay, look. We're not talking about Marian apparitions. We're talking about. The apostolic authority that your church claims to have, but yet doesn't manifest the same apostolic authority given by Jesus to the apostles.

So therefore, you don't have apostolic authority.

Now, this is a very good argument. And I've not heard any competent response so far. I'm sure the argument will get around, and someone will try and come up with something even better. And I will tackle it then. But that's that.

So, anyway, uh, it so when I get back to the LES topic here, as I was going through this stuff. And um looking I found these contradictions. And So uh The uh Let's see one God versus more than one God. and then one god versus three distinct gods.

So In summary, the LDS standard works teaches only one God, but also there's three gods. In 2 Nephi 31:21, the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost, which is one God without end. But DNC 1:30:22 says the Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's, the Son also, but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, it's a personage of spirit.

Well that's three got. Because they're not the same ones and you can't say it's just an office. We get into that.

So one in purpose, a lot of times there's one in purpose, but it doesn't say that in the text. And then we have this issue of different kinds of one. Because if they're gonna say there's one God. But yet there's three, and there's one God in numeric their confusing terms. And it's really interesting for me to encounter people who confuse these terms constantly.

They'll say, well, there's only one God, but one in purpose. It doesn't say the text, does not say that. And yet, this is how they try and rectify apparent contradictions in their own scriptures by adding words and changing things. You'd think that if their God was so sure and correct, he'd be able to make things clear. But there's problems.

And by the way, the doctrine of covenants has been changed. Oh man, has it been changed? Just like the Book of Mormon's been changed over the. the past 200 years by the LDS Church.

So, um You know, if it's been changed so much, why'd you do that if it's from God? Anyway, a third angle: three gods with two categories of gods. This is interesting because the same verse I was reading, DNC 130, 22. The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man, the Son also.

So we have two gods that have body, flesh, and bones, but the Holy Ghost. is not a body, flesh and bones. But he's got Wait a minute.

Now you have a class of gods that has a body, flesh, and bones, and a class of gods that does not. How's that work? Because then you can say that divinity does not require a body. And uh that's a that's a problem. It's a problem.

It's an ontology problem. In what sense are they one God if their natures, Godhood with a body and godhood without a body, are different? It must be that divinity is not tied to having a physical body, but is independent of it. This kind of logic I used against my opponent on Saturday, an Eastern Orthodox guy. And I read some of the comments.

Boy, those East Orthodox people are rude and mean. Um They really were doing damage control because the EO guy didn't do well. But the point is, the topic was: can baptism save you? And I made an opening statement where the issue was: well, if you can be saved without baptism, then baptism. Is it necessary?

And What is the essential aspect? that justifies you if it's not the water. It's something else in his faith.

Well, this this same kind of thing. If the Holy Ghost can have a be divine, but without a body. then the issue of divinity is not dependent upon a body, is it? Yeah. And this is something I'd like to see some Mormons try and go in and answer and deal with.

And then we have number four: God is unchangeable versus God is the one who changes. In Moroni eight eighteen, the Book of Mormon, God is not a partial God. He is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity. And DNC 2017 is unchangeable. But then DNC 132.20, then they.

That's those who enter the celestial marriage sealed by LDS priesthood. In verse 19. can become gods. That means they become gods.

So They're changeable, but unchangeable? Contradiction. Hey, we'll be back with Jermaine from California right after the break. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276.

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Don't worry, I don't bite. A germaine? Welcome brother, you're on here. Hey, Matt. I um I wanted to ask you about how Christians watch television and movies and What brings me to that is it seems like everyone has different different definitions.

of how you should do that.

So I was a big Star Trek fan. And I would I would watch you know, pretty much most of them, but I noticed with the later renditions If they start to turn kind of overtly homosexual attacks. And it was enough for me. You know, I wasn't. really feeling like watching anymore and and I know some people would say, well, you probably shouldn't Watch anything that gives any hint of wickedness, but I thought that was a line that was crossed.

And this isn't about Star Trek, but it's just. In general, like is there a way that believers should be watching movies and television? Sure, in a recliner. Whiser-round sound. That's how you watch 'em.

Um Yeah, you know, I'm a Star Trek fan. I actually had a letter written to me by George Decay, you know. Sulu. He personally wrote me. And I love Star Trek.

And I've written a sci-fi novel. I've written many, I mean, read many sci-fi novels. I love it. In fact, last night I was watching sci-fi.

So, um When I I see stuff like that, I fast forward. I just, okay, I'm done. And sometimes, if it's just too much, I'm out of that. It just depends. People are are are subjective.

The even the Bible has certain areas that you could say are X-rated. in a sense. Uh you know, at the very least are. There's some pretty gruesome things and bad things that go on in there.

So, what do we do as Christians?

Well, I just say it's between you and the Lord, but use wisdom and don't justify grace. as an excuse to watch things you shouldn't watch.

So About ninety eight percent of the time I have my remote control in my right hand when I'm watching. You know, if somebody comes on, I just flip through. I go through, it doesn't happen very often. But it's what I do. And try and use the sermon in that, and then go back to watching SciFi and the new Star Trek thing.

I I di I never saw any of it, but I heard so many reviews about they just trashed it. It's so leftist DEI crap. And oh man, it's horrible.

So it got cancelled. Yeah, I didn't bother with that one, but there was one that came out a few years ago. I think it was called Discovery, and. I tried uh a couple of seasons, but then One or two of the main characters. was overtly gay.

And I I can deal with that, but the problem is when I see full mail on mail kissing him like, you know, I I don't hate anybody, but This is not for me. And I can't I can't really I can't watch this anymore. I've heard some people say you shouldn't even. watch at all or you're supporting you know, latent sin, but I I don't know if I agree with that view.

Well, well, should we buy cars? Should we go to grocery stores? You know, how much where do we draw the line that i anything you do, you're supporting uh you know, sin.

Well, no matter what we do, we know that there are companies of things that we buy that Your made in China stuff. Like, I got something and I looked on the back. It was made in China. I'm like, oh man, if I'd have known that, I probably wouldn't have gotten it. But Uh What are you going to do?

We have to be wise. Don't let them judge you, but be wise in what you watch. And I remember I was watching something, I forgot what it was, but you know, the next scene is two guys kissing, and immediately. I said, That's it, I'm done and I stopped watching the whole thing right there. I'm done.

I don't want any sneak attacks that they gotta force it down my throat.

So that I can get used to it. That's not what I want, and I forgot it was, but it's happened a couple of times. Done.

So that's it.

Okay. That that makes more sense to be in Yeah, I I did not watch the uh latest version. I could tell where it was going. as far as the Star Trek Academy and I think I've heard. The Klingon character may or may not be gay, and I said at that point, there's no point.

There's uh, it's like Star Trek blasphemy and. If you're going that far, now now it's intentional. Yeah. You know, what do you think about this? We've got nobody waiting right now.

This is something I've noticed and paying more and more attention to. on shows is I've talked about this before. But how women are becoming more and more the leaders, and men are the followers. and show after show, and that the women can beat up all the guys. And I'm like, what?

What what planet are you guys from? Guys are so much stronger than females on the average, all the time, and yet these girls are beating the ball these big guys all the time. I'm like, come on. And so I I'm starting to get, you know, like I just get tired of this DEI stuff. You know?

It's just it's bad. From what I've seen, that yeah, that's obviously something where someone's trying to make the point in. I've known some very tough, capable women and and you know, I've been in settings where they've had training and I would try but on the average if A woman who's doped averagely decimates a room full of well-skilled men, I know it's garbage. Yeah, it is. It's like, okay, I know this is fantasy, but this is getting ridiculous.

And I think that there's obviously a particular bias that. That they have when they do stuff like that. I don't mind. Women being in leadership as far as like rank or whatever, because that's real life. That happens.

And some are very capable, but. I just don't I don't like the idea of a A woman coming in and she uh kung fuos her way through Men that outweigh her by 150 pounds, and she's torturing them with her bare hand. It just. It starts to get silly at one point. That's all.

Yeah, I've seen that too many times. Like, oh, come on, you guys. You know, I get it, but it's just ridiculous. And but then like I said, I've seen more and more where it's the women who are the bosses constantly. and the men are weak.

And it just concerns me. About that, that it's propagating the weakness of men, and we don't want weak men, and not in this culture. We want strong men in this culture, godly strong men. And it's a concern too. Yeah.

Yeah, it you know, what are you gonna do? It's bad. Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah, and I I um I will say, like, I I enjoy sci-fi a lot.

Especially like the outer limits and Those kinds of shows. My favorite Star Trek was actually probably Deep Space Nine or Next Generation. It was more. because I was watching skillful actors And I was watching an art form at that point, and everybody seems to be. At a step, you know, a level above what I see on television now.

That's right. And there was a whole lot less politics involved. And a lot less of the the overt trying to subjugate, you know, spiritual beliefs. as far as what I'm seeing now, I just don't really care. And that's a bad place to be in entertainment where you have an audience that does not care either way if they see it or not.

So. you know, that that's just preferred my politics and Spirituality to be mutual of my sci-fi. There you go. I'm with you. Hey, let me ask you: of all the Star Trek captains, which one's the best?

I think I know. But what do you say? Who's the best? Oh wow, see that's the hard one that that's another show. Um I would probably say I'm gonna have to have a caveat.

If it's a war, It would have to be Captain Cisco. Or a piece? a diplomatic mission then has to be Captain Picard. I think it's Captain Kirk because he got all the women, all the alien women, and he won all his fights. There you go.

Okay? All right, brother. All right. All right, buddy. God bless.

Okay. Yeah, that's an objective standard. Hey, folks, we have wide open lines. 877-207-2276. Be right back.

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All right, so we have nobody waiting right now. And I was going to look at this article I wrote, just released a little bit ago. uh about the problems inside of LDS um standard works. On God. contradictions that I found.

And I'm going to I'm thinking about doing the same thing with just salvation. and see if I can find whatever it teaches. About salvation and maybe prayer, too. We'll see. I think there's, I'm aware of some issues, but we'll see how deep it goes.

Obviously with God. There's a lot because, you know, for example, it says, like I said before the break, Moroni 8:18 says God is unchangeable, yet DNC 132.20 says you become gods. And I was talking to somebody about this recently, a Mormon, who said that the people, they're really stretching truth and logic. The people are gods in embryos. And I asked him.

I have to say that. Are you he's a Mormon and I said, Are you a god right now? And he said, No. then what must change in you from from the the state of not being a God to being a God? And then he said, Well, it's getting more attributes.

Now there is a severe logical problem with this. And I'll borrow from what I talk about when I deal with this kind of issue with Mary and Catholicism, because Mary is walking on the earth before she. As they like to say, assumed into heaven. She's walking along. Could she understand a million prayers, a million conversations right then and there, simultaneously?

Well the answer is no. But now in heaven she can understand millions in different languages spoken and thought and comprehend all of them.

So I said, what happened to her? That she can now do this. People don't really think this through.

Well, God just makes it work. They're done thinking.

Okay, they're just done thinking. I poured vegetable oil in my car, and the tinking sound went away.

So I'm done. and they don't realize or make mistakes.

So I said, look, with Mary, if you're going to say, That from not being able to comprehend a million prayers simultaneously spoken and thought. in different languages to suddenly being able to do all of that, there must be a change in her. You can't just say there's more of an attribute just given to her because, by definition, our physical brains can't do this, our minds can't do these things. And yet, all of a sudden they need to say it's there. That means there's a complete change in the nature, and then you lose continuity.

It's the same kind of logic that goes with this idea of becoming a god. is that the Mormons will say Well, you're not a god right now, but you could become one.

Okay, so do you have all power now? No. But you will later? Yes. Do you have all knowledge now?

No, but you will later, yes.

So these are properties related to urescence, right?

Now, this is where most Mormons have no clue what I'm saying at this point. No clue. They're not dumb. I'm just saying they just don't know. Because if you have an essence of something, You have to have necessary properties to go along with it.

And so A necessary and essential property of a circle is roundness. And so you can't have a circle without roundness, you can't separate it. But if you were to change, hypothetically, a circle's roundness to squares, the essence no longer is consistent because the essence requires the roundness. and so it's a non sequitur. To say that a circle can become a square.

It's a non-sequitur to say a human can become a god. It's it's impossible. It's logically impossible. And yet this is what the LDS affirm. And I believe that um Wait a minute, how do I say this without being Two.

Ah, let me just say it anyway. Um They don't think critically. And they don't believe the Bible. And This is why Romans 1 talks about judgment. Because they are suppressing the truth of God in their unrighteousness.

The idea of becoming a god. I have the potential of becoming a God, What a great seductive offering, that is, from the devil. You you can become a god. And the ego is involved with that. Oh man, maybe I could become a god.

All I could do is just do all these right things and go to the temple, get handshakes, get some underwear, and do some stuff. I can become a god. It's hard to Fathom. The opposite is actually true. You know, in Luke six Luke Look at K 9 through 14.

the Pharisee and the tax gatherer went up to the mountain. To the temple, excuse me, to pray. The tax collector, he didn't have anything boast about. He was humble. He said, Lord, be merciful to me, thus sinner.

And Jesus praised him. There's nothing in there about look what I can do. Except you can go to Matthew 19 with a rich young ruler, the Pharaoh, the. The uh uh Anyway, the guy said, what good thing must I do to Inherit eternal life. And he's immediately saying, Well, what good things can I do?

Implying I can do enough good. to get my life. I can do it. What good tell me what good things I gotta do? It's arrogance.

People don't realize. that arrogance, like humility, hide themselves, in the host. and the host can't see them. But others can. People tell me They'll say, Matt, you believe in reformed theology.

Yes, I do. You believe in election, yes, and predestination, yes. And are you saved? Yes. Well, you're going to heaven?

Yes. Well, you're arrogant. They say, How am I arrogant? Because you believe you're special. No, I don't.

That's not what I believe. I believe that I'm called by God in spite of what I am. He granted faith to me in spite of my great sin. Because I was involved in the occult. And he brought me out of that.

you know, occult being Spirits and seances. I was involved in that for years. And he brought me right out of it. I I don't consider myself to be better than anybody else, just saved. And I don't depend on my goodness.

I depend on his. It's not arrogance, that's just humility. It's just saying, Lord, what you do, what you want, who you are, what you've accomplished, I just trust in that. And because of that, I can know I'm saved because it doesn't depend on my goodness. But it's the false religions like Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science.

Unity Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, they all have a similar thing in that it's faith and what they do. That they actually believe that their goodness, combined with what God does or wants, can get you heaven. That to me is So arrogant. And I'll say to people, do you actually believe that you in your goodness in your own heart? Can it actually bring about With God's grace?

Your eternal reward in heaven? And they say yes. Wow. It's like crawling up to the cross where Christ is and taking a list of. Of good works, kneeling for the cross and then backing away and saying, It's because of what Jesus did.

And look at my good works, those combos. That's what gets me right with God. It's like saying the blood of Christ is not enough. I have to add to it. But you worked up there on the cross.

He was. You weren't adding anything there. He did everything. And this is the foolishness of people. Romans 1.18 says, The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men.

Who suppress the truth and unrighteousness? That's Mormons, that's Jehovah's Witnesses, that's Roman Catholics, that's Eastern Orthodox. Because that which is known about God is evident within them, for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world, His invisible attributes, His eternal power, and Divine Nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. Even though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish hearts was darkened.

They became futile. in their speculations and their foolish heart was reckoned. And this is the key. in Mormonism, in Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism. They are futile speculations, and their foolishness of their heart is darkened.

Because they actually think that they can do enough in contribution to Christ, to get to heaven. What absolute foolishness, what stupidity!

Well it's it's insane. Are you going to cooperate with God? You're going to do anything to merit anything? You know, you're saved by grace through faith. That's all you can do, right?

2 Nephi 25, 23. If you deny yourself of all ungodliness, then is God's grace sufficient for you. Romania 10, 34. Come on. You know that the in the Eastern Orthodox Docetheus decree 3 and 13.

It says that you get salvation by your faith in your works. Don't look at all of this in paragraph 2068, 2036, and 2070. Same thing. You get salvation by. your faith and commandments.

Only in Christianity Is it, does it say, to the one who does not work but believes? in him who justifies the ungodly. His faith is credited as righteousness. Faith. Not your works and faith.

But faith. Notice what Paul says in Romans 4:5. To the one who does not work, but believes. That means it's faith alone right there. That's because it's God's work that saves us, not Him and us.

Leave the foolishness and pride. in the garbage. come to Christ and him alone. We'll be right back after these messages, please. Stay tuned.

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Alright, so... I've developed an argument against transubstantiation. against the idea that the elements of the bread and the wine become the body and blood of Jesus. And um One of the things that that I've I have found very interesting lately. when I bring this up and talk to Catholics.

is they will You will go to John 6. And in John 6 where Jesus is talking about Uh in verse fifty Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves. And uh Next verse, you know, John 6:54, he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I'll raise him up to the last day. For my flesh is true food, my blood is true drink.

So And um So they'll say to me, Matt, It is so obvious. That the bread and the wine are actually his body and blood, because that's what he says. And I say, okay, can we look at the context? And this has really knocked him for a loop. Each time.

So look at the context of John 6. Yeah. He says in verse 27, He says, Do not work for the food which perishes. but for the food which endures to eternal life. And he says, you know, people talk about manna when it was given to the people in the wilderness.

God gave them bread out of heaven to eat. I said, that's the manna, right? And they say, yes. True bread out of heaven. John 6:33.

For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven. and gives life to the world. And I say, who is that? And they'll say it's Jesus. I says, okay.

And in John 6:35, he says, I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will not hunger. and he who believes in me will never thirst. They go okay. And I says, Now he says, Now you're saying, I asked him, you're saying the bread is his body, right?

And they say, yes. You have to eat his body 'cause you gotta eat the bread, the living bread. You gotta do that. And I said, Okay, look at John 6, 41. I am the bread.

that came down Out of heaven.

Now say, now you say the bread is his physical body. And I said did his physical body come down out of heaven. And all of a sudden, They got a problem. I said, you've got a problem now, you see?

So, is his body literally bread? And they say, well, no. I said, so it's metaphor. Right? Yes.

And he's a bread kingdom out of heaven. Is he talking about his physical body? No, he's not. Is it? The bread that he's talking about is definitely not his physical body.

Isn't that the case? Yeah. But now they're stuck. Because if they say, well, yes, you're correct, then I'm going to go through and I'm going to just. dismantle their their view a little bit later here.

If they say, no, it really means him.

So what do you mean it means him? What are you saying? The person? Yeah, Jesus, He's God in flesh. Just correct did His body come down out of Heaven.

I keep asking the same thing. And they'll say, well, no. This is okay. Yeah. So when he says, I'm the bread that came down out of heaven, he's not talking about his physical body, is he?

Now they're really stuck. Because Mom. They're stuck. You see, I I tell them A lot of times before I do this, I say, look, I gotta teach you a bad word. See I've said this on the radio before I've got a bad word for you.

I'm going to teach you a bad word. Bad, bad, bad. It's called. context. When you read context, it's bad.

for you. Twitter bad work. The Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox. Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, I often ignore context. And make a verse say what they want.

Like John 6:53, 54, and 55. What they'll do is they'll say that's the the bread is this flesh you have to eat. I said, well then. The bread coming out of heaven is his body, right? Yes, that's right.

But that's not his body, it was in heaven, right? And then they're stuck, like I said, okay. He says I am the bread of life. What's he talking about if it's not his physical body? John 6.48.

I am the bread of life. In John 6:50, this is the bread which comes down out of heaven.

so that you may eat of it and not die. What is he talking about? Is he talking about his physical body? And the answer is: no, he's not. He's not.

It's not that. He's talked about something else. It's himself. the incarnation, God in flesh. He is that true manna, the manna which gives life.

Is not the life that is found in a physical form of bread and wine. You get to eat that to be saved, or eat that to whatever. It's not what he's talking about. The bread come down out of heaven.

so whoever eats of it will not die. It's not his physical body he's talking about. he's using metaphor. And why is it people can't see this?

Well, I can tell you why. Because they're loyal to a church more than Jesus. They're more loyal to a church than they are to Jesus himself. You see? The true church Whatever church that is, because there are lots of only one true church.

But the true church will tell you what the truth is. The true church will present the true gospel, the true church will present the true God. The true church will tell you what you have to believe and do in order to get saved. The true church. Always.

The true church. Our church is God's church and organization on earth. Yeah. I cannot tell you. Seriously, how many times?

I've been told this. You maybe get to heaven. I'm going to, you know, if God, I don't know how it works there. God, can you just ask me some questions? How many times do people say that to me?

You know, 18,284. Whoa, that's a lot. You know, I don't know. How many times? But a lot.

Okay. Our church is the true church. You've got to belong to the true church. Our prophet restored the true church. We have apostolic authority from the true church.

We are the true church. How do you know it's a true church? Because our prophet says so, our apostles say so. Because our councils say so. And how you know they're true?

Because they are. I actually asked a guy just recently. We're talking about the councils. uh the church councils and I say are they equally inspired to scripture? And he says yes.

Uh It's so stupid. It's just dumb, right? And uh but this is one cavity. They have to say that the inspired word of God. Is inspired along with their church councils will tell you what the truth really is because it's in the true church.

I get so tired of hearing this. And I just tell people, look, are you following Jesus or your church? They'll say, well, no, no, no. Jesus set up the true church, so we have to follow the church. There you go again.

Jesus says, Come to me, all who are heavy laden, I'll give you rest. Matthew 11:28. He didn't say, He didn't say follow the true church. Because the true church is a collection of those who redeemed. were dwelt by Jesus.

Who've trusted Christ, who've asked the Lord Jesus to forgive them of their sins, who don't rely on their own goodness, who don't rely on their own arrogance, their pride, and say that their works combined with what Christ did will get them salvation, will get them forgiveness of sins. They are not fools who believe that lie. Because there is no way. any of us at all. can ever.

Do enough. To contribute to our salvation, to get our salvation or maintain our salvation. and then at like fools in darkness. just bumping into corners of heresy. Being bruised by the things they don't understand, their souls are hurting and bleeding.

They then bow more and more in the darkness of their paths to that church that is not a light. but gives them shadows of meaning, gives them errors. This is what happens so much with these churches. These people. They don't know, they don't have the light of Christ.

if they put their eyes on Jesus alone. and walk towards that light. to Jesus, not to Mary, to Jesus, not to Joseph Smith. To Jesus, not the true restored church, but to Jesus. Not the sacred traditions, but Jesus.

Satan is the one who wants you to take your eyes off of Christ and put them onto anything. But him. And follow the true church. He doesn't care if you follow the true church. As long as you're following what the true church tells you.

Because they're not pointing you to Christ. People say to me, oh yes, we are. Really? Are you really, really, really? Call me up and let's see if you really are.

Your church really points to Jesus. Let's see. But anyway, back to John 6. And I ask him this. He says, I'm the bread that came down out of heaven, John 6, 41.

He's the bread of life, John 6:48. It's not his body, right? And they say, That's right. He said the bread would come down out of heaven so that one may eat of it. Obviously, it's not the physical body he's talking about eating.

Is he? And this really stumps them. Because now they're seeing in the scriptures what's there. Why is it they couldn't see it before? I'll tell you why.

Because they don't think. Because they just believe, they just listen, they just swallow all the stuff their true church, true prophet, true magisterium, true authority tells them to believe. because they're not qualified to be able to study on their own. That's never what the scripture says. Each man must be fully convinced in his own mind regarding important things like worship days and eating habits.

And that's Romans 14:5. We're told. Be convinced anyway. Study. But what do cults do?

What do false religions do? Submit to the true Church. Outside of the true church, you'll be lost. If you leave the true church, you've left God. That's what they do.

They always equate their true church with God Himself. They're true prophets, you know, whatever. They're apostolic authority with God. Oh, or our councils, our traditions. are equal.

with God. The foolishness and the arrogance that's there is just incredible. What did the tax collector say? in Luke 18, when Jesus gave the story of the or the parable of the the Pharisee, who went up and says, IP tides. You know, I I don't swindle people.

He talked about the things he did and the things he did not do, along with his faith. And yet, Jesus didn't say he was justified.

Now the one who was justified was the tax collector who said, Be merciful to me. The sinner. He didn't appeal to anything. He just appealed to God. And that was it.

no true church, no true tradition, no true apostolic authority that they claim they have to have for their sacraments. No. Just A faith appeal. Without offering any compensation or addition. to the blood.

that bought us from our sins. Damn. And so I I ask myself, and I wonder Why is it they can't see? And I'm reminded of Mark 4:10 through 12, where Jesus says he speaks in parables, so people will not be forgiven. Could it be?

That the ones that he's hiding the truth from Are the ones who, in their arrogance, think that they can cooperate with God to be saved. And this great blasphemy is something that earns them. To be Left aside. Because they're denying the sufficiency of God in flesh on the cross and His blood. That's what's happening.

Hey, by God's grace, I'm back on here tomorrow. May the Lord bless you. And we'll talk to you then. Have a great evening, everyone. God bless.

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