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Good. Good morning, everybody. My name is Bart Winkler. Oh, I should tell you guys, this is the Thursday episode. Yeah.
Of the Bart Winkler Show. The Wednesday episode, of course, you guys have all heard it by now. Me and Chuck Freeman. Yeah. Did you miss everything that happened on Monday night, Paul?
I went on his show. I'm behind. Very much behind. I did a lockdown brewers and he posted it. And then we taped my show, and that came out Wednesday.
Very cool. I feel like we should have talked off the air before I sprung that on you. Because now I'm like, now I'm like, now I'm like fits in with time.
So we're recording on Tuesday morning and to add a wrinkle to that. The electrician's coming.
So that either Either there may be no. Mention of that. The rest of the time, or it may be a huge, like Cluster fuck. A recurring theme. That's fun.
I like when shows have a recurring theme. Yeah. If you've already addressed this, I will listen to the answer elsewhere. But what got it over the finish line with you and the truckster? Uh They no longer use him at 97.3 the game.
That was the really? Yeah. So they kind of told him like, hey, don't don't do anything with Bart. No, he just didn't want to. He didn't want to, because he's like, I don't want to come on your show.
And have you like trash these guys. And just the fact that you do trash them. Yeah. So I don't I don't I don't do that as much. Yeah.
The Matt Schneidman show started last night. Did anyone listen? Feed feet Doug Russell, by the way. It's featured. Doug Russell.
So it's not just matching. I'm in. It was okay. I listen. I'm obviously way behind on my.
My view is Bart and Chuck are back together. Matt Schneidman's getting radio shows. I saw he was on um Your boy McAfee. Schneideman was. Oh god.
I'm blocked. I wouldn't have seen it. What'd you do to deserve that? Earn that? Let's let's talk about Matt Schneideman.
Yeah. I'm not blacked by Schneidman. I'm blacked by McAfee. Oh, yeah. You were doing those memes.
Oh, that's right.
Okay, now I remember. Thank you. I thought you meant it was the other way, but yeah, good clarification. I don't know. I don't know that I would do anything different.
I don't know what I want in my beat writers. I just think since day one. He's been angling for the Matt Schneidman show. And I don't know, you have all these beat guys that are like. They do the TV stuff and they do the radio stuff, and you know, they enjoy to do it and they're good at it.
But they cover the Packers first. I don't get that vibe from that. And I don't know, I've never met him, so. I haven't either. And I think he's like Rick Riley Light, where I mean, any I've never read a matched Niamon Piece and been like, Wow, what a good writer.
Again, all my words. This is just me talking. I don't want to ruin. Any mad appearances on the Thrill Michaels show or the Wisco Sports Show? Paul, I don't know.
What circles you run? I don't know. Mm-hmm. I didn't go to Syracuse, so I'm not in that network. I don't know.
Like, if you're like, if you program a radio station and you're trying to get like big bucks in Milwaukee, are you going to? You're going to call Chuck and Winkler and get the reunion on air? Are you going to go hire the beat writer from the athletic? You tell me. I don't know.
What's smarter? I don't know. Whoever I can pay less. Oh, probably. Is Matt Schneideman bringing dollars in, though?
I don't know. I just, all I said is: hey, speaking of the game, they have new programming, which I kind of like because I get done with work at six and I'm finally ready to relax for the day. And all of my live and local sports radio is done until the next day. I like, I enjoy listening to sports radio after I'm off the clock. And now I have the opportunity to do so with the Match Neineman show featuring Doug Russell.
I will tell you this: that if I hate you. Nothing against who is, but if I had to program an hour. of heavy, heavy, heavy Packer-centric Radio content? I'd hire Andy Herman. That's a good tank.
Yeah. That's what I would do. Where's the Andy Herman show? I mean, it's on the Blue Wire network, which is a great place to be, I'm sure. But I would try to s I'd try to steal 'em.
Well, Grant, if you want live and local coverage. You at least can have a familiar voice on Thursday and Friday. On the Zach Gelb show. Are you filling in for Zach Gelb as well? Listen to this marathon.
I got like a real week. Thursday night, Zach Gelb. Friday night, Zach Gelb. Saturday. Four to nine.
PM Yeah. A five-hour show. What like what's the show? Bart on the weekend. Bart on the weekend.
All right. Bart on the weekend. Let me tell people, like. A four hour show a four hour show on radio. is like a 10 hour workday.
A three-hour show would be like. Or is it four hour like an eight hour? I'd say an eight hour.
Okay, but then you tack on an extra hour and you're working a double. I would say there's a few I don't have nearly, nearly, nearly, nearly the experience that you guys do in that world. But The few times that I hosted Bill Michaels' show back in the day. You hosted, hosted? Yep.
A couple of times with Kevin Holden, and then. But it Went very fast.
So I kind of had, like, I mean, again, this is like: you've done more than a thousand of these.
Well, I've done four for all you newbies, yeah.
So if if it flew by, uh was my experience. The last four-hour show I did on CBS took forever. I've never done five. Five Horvot used to do five every morning. Not as the host, which makes it a difference if you're not.
So, grand, I'll have to ask you this, because I think this is what. Ryan used to do in the Bart Winkler Morning Show, as it was called. And he loved that it was called that. And Bart. To your credit, obviously you didn't want it to be called that.
You on your show, the Wisco Sports show. You just put people on the air. Hi, who is this?
So, you have no producer? You have no help, just like Ryan Horvat did? No, I have no producer. I used to be able to screen calls. because i in my old studio i had a digital phone and it would the number that name would pop up Um, but now it's just blind.
It's just raw dog it. Yeah. You know.
So no, I don't have a problem.
Sometimes do you get like I would do that, but then there'd be like. Hello, this is ATNT. Yeah. Have you ever got your granddad? Yeah.
Really? Yep. I swear on Bill's show filling in last week. I was getting pissy because a lot of people were calling and then hanging up. Calling, and then they'd set the phone down, and I'd hear, I'd hear it.
but they had walked away from the phone. And, like, two hours into the show, I just had so many of these calls. I'm like, can we up our game, please? Like, this is the statewide Bill Michaels Sports Talk Network that we're on. Can we let's be better call I had to put Bill's collars on blast.
Just there's a level of professionalism we need. If every caller was like Cohn, Then Sports Talk Radio would be perfect. I mean, he just handles his business like no other caller. And Bart, you know this. Oh yeah.
You should. I don't know if you're doing this because... Of you heard the way Bart Does it Or if you're just, the two of you are just built similarly, which wouldn't surprise me at all. But you're, you have, you. You're developing your own little like whack pack, like Bart Oh, yeah.
Well, I poached some of his whack pack when they needed a radio show to call every day. Yeah, good. Yeah. Tony, Tony, you keep them on. Like, like Bart used to do this, and I used to think that it was a bad idea, and then I was horrifically wrong.
I would text Bart, like, dude, you're keeping these collars on way too long. What? And then I was really wrong. And you do the same thing where it's like four minutes with some guy who. Could have probably wrapped it up in 15 seconds.
But you're cultivating a universe. But if exactly. If those callers need to think, if I call in today, we're going to get somewhere. We're going to. We're going to do something, it's not going to be 15.
Otherwise, they don't call. You stop calling when you get uh, hey guys, I think the Packers should trade for uh uh Randy Moss. Oh, yeah, thanks, thanks for the call. Yeah. No, why'd you sit there and Why just sit on hold and why doesn't he go through the charade if that's all it's going to be?
I just won't take calls if that's the way that it's going to be.
Well, but you guys, I mean, you know better than I do. What you do is very different.
So was there anybody in Wisconsin? Or Like outside of a Howard Stern situation, like what you had to know you, Bart, when you were doing this a few years ago, you had to know you were. An outlier. Built different. Like, what was the inspiration?
Just Stern? Yeah. That Stern. Did you ever hear it dotted in sports radio? I don't listen to sports radio.
I guess that's a good thing. Like It's better to not take your influences too directly. I mean, I listen, I've heard it enough. I know enough. It's not like I don't know.
what sports radio is, but I don't I don't I don't take my influences from I take my influence is more from Like Howard Stern and anything non-sports and I do like Jim Rome or Dan Patrick. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's good because I think like if you're in a A pop punk band, let's just randomly say, you have to be careful not to listen to too much music from that genre, or it'll just be like, oops, it just happens to sound the exact same. That's a good point. Yeah, it's a great point, Paul.
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I gotta do a read. And then he took my video away.
So I'm like, oh, I'm off the air. And when I first got on Chuck's Lockdown Brewers, we were recording. There was no like Like, he was three minutes into his show. I'm like, but the guy got a lot of stuff. He's like, oh, come on whenever.
And I was a good thing I got on. And then he took me off so I thought I could move. And then I got where I wanted to be with better lighting. And then like all the audio is like. On the show because he dropped the video, but still the audio.
He goes, Whoa, whoa, whoa, you're swatting flies. Like, I miss this guy. Why didn't he have Tim cut it in post? Oh, Tim's my guy. Tim's got an exclusive deal on my show.
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Is my electrician here yet? Tim's on the payroll for a lot of different podcasts for various things, various reasons. All right, Polly, take it away. Yeah. Those are those are um Interesting blinds that you I was going to comment on that as well on the Dan Shaney YouTube live stream.
Yeah, we got them. They're pretty new. One re one thing that I wouldn't that I That I would pay for now that I thought was a little bit like Bullshit when people have them. Oh, I know what you're saying. I think I know what you're going to say.
What? No, no, do it. Yeah. You want me to tell you what I think? I'm doing it.
And I wonder if there's any I'm getting automatic blinds, motherfucker. Like how? Push the button and up and down go the blinds. Yeah, remote for blinds. Hell yeah.
Yeah. I should have done that. Yes, exactly. Like Larry, that was my inspiration originally. I was like, okay, I'm yes.
Well, because my mother-in-law has got him, and I'm like, that's a little too much. We don't need that. No, do it. Yeah, that I would absolutely do. You're working on CBS Sports Radio Shifts, you guys can spring for it.
Well for now. Once football season starts, I'm unemployed. Yeah, but the podcast numbers for you, I would assume, during football season and get a nice boost. Mm-hmm. Well, a lot of people watch my live stream against Cincinnati.
Tying your episode with Chuck has already broke numbers. Tying yourself to the Packers brand and to Aaron Rodgers as a topic is very good for business. Do you know how easy it is? You missed out on a lot of engagement through all those months of bowing out of the Rodgers talk. It's so easy to mix it up on Twitter if you just involve Aaron Rodgers.
Like you just get a tweet to go so far, and it doesn't even have to be good if it just mentions Aaron Rodgers for better or worse. Not that it's going to have nearly the engagement, but Yeah, Grant, you sent one the other day. Your guy, your boy Bakhtiari, is really a funny guy these days. Like, really. Like So joke tells me that.
Yeah, he is. And it's that dry, sarcastic sense of humor that guy has. We all love him. Yeah. Hey, ask a question.
I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna ask you a question now. Yeah. You talked a lot about on. What episode would it have been?
Well, I mean, the Packers post-game show, which I listened to after the fact. Um And you've talked a little bit about since then, but you know, you're bringing up this. Silly, but you know, you never know. Idea. of what if Jordan love is just like Extraordinarily good, and three Hall of Famers in a row, and whatever else.
So I just want to like level set a little bit. Remember I told you about the guy who called me? Uh he does Fox Sports Radio and he wanted me on his show. And so he I did a hit on in Las Vegas and he heard it and he wanted me on his show. Cool.
And so he called me and he goes, you're one of the only guys that keep it real. He goes, I think Jordan Love's going to be ass. I'm like, I never said that. He goes, oh, he's going to suck. I've seen quarterbacks for 30 years.
There's no, whatever. He had his breakdowns. He thinks Justin Fields is going to suck, but he likes Bryce Young. I said, I'll come on your show, but. I don't Like, I think Jordan Love might be good.
I don't know how you can listen to me ever. And like now think that I think that I think Jordan Love is going to be good.
Well it's Who was it? Huh? Who was it?
Some guy that does Fox Sports Radio's name's Bernie. Yeah, great.
Okay. Question I have for you. No, that's okay. I wanna understand what you think the most likely. outcome is for a Jordan love career.
For a career? For a career.
So Like You know, if you're doing your You have a little bit of give and take. Like, is there he's going to be?
So, what I want to ask you is: Jordan Love is going to be a league average quarterback. Throughout the duration of his career. Maybe in his first year as a starter, he's slightly less than that. Maybe at his peak, he's the ninth best. But the, you know, like the four tiers.
He could be Aaron Rodgers. Do yeah, do your tier. MVP. Super Bowl. Hall of Famer.
He could be. Um Dak Prescott. That's kind of like my league average example. But Dak's better than average. Not by but he's not, he's he can't get to the next level, right.
for career. Right. You could be Carson Wentz. That would be where you see some really good stuff. Mm.
I mean, Carson Wentz had some like, there were times Carson Wentz was the best quarterback in football. Carson Wentz would have won an MVP if he didn't. 100%. He was when he sprinkled around. Or he could be Mitch Trubisky, where he starts for a little bit and then just.
Fucks around on different teams.
So wait, let's go through those examples again. I mean, so like Rogers, you know, like First Ballot Hall of Fame. Prescott Just above a shade, I would say, above league average for his career. Carson Wentz type of career where he's going to shine really bright, but maybe be out of the league by 30. Trubisky.
where you're gonna start for a couple of years, but probably settle into a highly paid backup.
Okay. I mean, there's more categories than that, but let's just use those and say that the most likely of those outcomes. The one that you would honestly, truly. Packers fandom aside. Or to the extent that you can put it aside.
But you would yeah, he's going to have a Dak Prescott career. That would be what you would say is the most likely scenario. For German or E.
So the the only problem Is if he ran into the Like league average, slightly above league average. This Bernie guy goes to me. He goes, what if Jordan Love sucks? Are they going to give him another year? Yes.
He's like, what? Why? I said, well They dragged him in the first round and let him sit on his ass for three years. They want him. It's not going to be like sunk cost fallacy, but they want to know if this works or not.
They'll give him. I mean, if he is absolute. If he is like Here's the here's the like He has to think that he's going the wrong way on the field. I mean, for Jordan Love to not get another year, he needs to be. About as Dumb as you could ever be.
Like not understand football. Jordan Love understands football. Look, there's a lot to be said about how uncomfortable.
Some of these guys look in preseason, preseason or not. Yep. Jordan Love doesn't look uncomfortable. We're talking about you know Oh well, he missed the throw to Musgrave. If we're breaking down the one or two throws he missed.
We're in a good spot. We're not we're not like There's we're we're already past the point of, oh fuck, what have we done? We're not there.
So we're at we're at like Okay, yeah, we can work on that. And that's where I think we should be.
Now, Rodgers came in, okay, against the Cowboys and had this. We knew right then that Rodgers would be good. I don't know that the Eagles game counts like that for Jordan Love. But we still haven't seen him really play yet. We'll see him play, he'll get time.
If unless he flames out. And the Packers really suck and say, oh, shit, I guess we're going to take Caleb Williams or Drake May. Then I think that he's going to be The quarterback here, he'll be good enough to get a new contract.
So now you're looking at four or five years of Jordan Love.
So that puts you at the Carson Wentz realm? I think he'll make a Pro Bowl if he's the Packers quarterback for five years. You'll make a Pro Bowl. Yeah. And then just the longevity of that.
I think that the Dak Prescott type of career. where you're like Making playoffs and You're the fourth best, fifth best quarterback in the conference, and some games you play really well, and some games you're like. Is he really the guy? I mean, that would be great. That's a That would be good.
Yeah, man. You can win a Super Bowl with that. You totally can. Um Yeah, Grant, I wanna obviously want to get your take, but If the Packers are disastrously bad. Which I r would In the NFC North, in particular, would be extremely shocked if, even if they were not that impressive, I still think they're going to win.
If the Packers I I wh wh where's your Where's your floor for Packers' wins? Your floor? Five, six wins. I was going to put it at six. Yeah.
I think their ceiling is like 9-10. I think their range of outcomes.
Well, if Jordan Love gets hurt, remember, Sean Clifford can just step right in. Bart, what's your floor? My floor for wins was six. I'm at six as well.
So they're not going to be. I just pulled up like the top. Draft prospects for the 2024 class, which is loaded. Like, they're not going to have the worst record in the league. They're not going to get Caleb Williams.
Drake May is the fifth-rated prospect according to this list. You know, like even if they were in that type of Michael, is it what's the Washington quarterback's name? Pennix Jr. Yeah. Oh yeah, the former IU guy, he transferred.
Mm-hmm. He's the sixth-rated prospect. Like Jordan Travis from Florida State, the eighth-rated prospect index. What about TM? TM?
Oh, how long do I have to scroll? Why are the Badgers? Why aren't how come Bo Nicks, quarterback, Oregon, 14th ranked? Badgers are going to the playoff, fam.
Okay. I don't I don't think they are. Cameron Rising, Utah, 23rd. Oh, that seems like a guy that Horbot would just drool over. Sam Hartman, Notre Dame, 25th.
There's someone who actually drew I forgot Hartman went to Notre Dame K.J. Jefferson, Arkansas, 30th. Raylon Allen, 31st. Ranked prospect. The Seahawks can draft him then.
That'll be perfect. He'll totally be their second round pick.
Well, Paul, can I ask you a question based off this question? Sure. You're thinking about the Packers and the idea of them being bad enough to draft a quarterback.
Well, I mean, I'm not, but go ahead. We're kicking around what that would look like. What other teams in the NFC are going to bottom out for? A quarterback because I was looking at the league the other day, and I'm like, there's all of these teams have a A certain floor. Like the giants might not be amazing, but they're not going to suck.
Nobody is going to suck. There's very few teams that are going to suck, suck, suck, suck, suck. you know Well, why don't why don't we think that You know, sorry, Toby. Like, why couldn't Washington just suck? Washington could suck, but they have a couple really good wide receivers and they have some nice players.
Yeah, but Ron Rivera is already scared for his job. Yeah, why, why, why wouldn't the Saints, Falcons, Buccaneers, or Panthers suck? Those are perfect examples because the Saints are so obsessed with trying to stay 500. They're like, we're going to get Derek Carr and we're going to trade up the draft to get this wide free. I'm not saying everyone's going to be good.
I'm saying that a lot of these teams are going to be slightly below 500, but there aren't many teams, at least in the NFC, that are going to like. Go 2 and 15 and be close to a first overall pick, except for Arizona. What about the quarterback? Hold on though. What about the Cardinals could be awful?
Cardinals. They will be bad. the Rams could be Pretty bad. They're coached by Sean McVay. Yeah, they'll be okay.
They'll be, and that's what I'm saying. They're not, none of these teams are contending for a Super Bowl, but the Buccaneers, like the Buccaneers have a really solid roster. All these teams are. you Are mid to like slightly below average, but there's very few teams in the NFL that are gonna win two games and then go for one of those top picks, except, like you said, Arizona. I think maybe Vegas is another one, but now we're talking about the AFC, so that's a different conversation.
Yeah, I mean I think if there really was a bottom out I mean If you had to write now, you had to put your money on the team that will have the worst NFC record. You putting all that money on the Cardinals, right? Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm very interested with what Tampa Bay does. Like, did they sell pieces at some point?
If that was a baseball team, they'd have a fire sale. Right. We're having a fire. Say it out. But that's not how football works.
So I don't know. She is such a country music lover. Yeah. That was on regular television programming, not cable. In the year 2020.
I still can't believe that country is a word that we can say. Country. It's right in the word. Country music. What if countries were called fuck trees?
Yeah. We'd be like, we're saying fuck all the time. But no one cares that we say I can't imagine we say anything on the rest of the podcast that tops that. I call I call them countries, just so you know. Oh, countries.
That's how it's spelled. We live in a we all live in in a country. I just think that we're gonna exhaust all the Jordan love. Like what what have we haven't even seen him play yet? We exhausted them all in April.
That's when we exhausted all the Jordan love. Topics. In April. and May. By the way, if he's Dak Prescott, Name if he comes in year one and is Dak Prescott, name me the quarterbacks in the NFC that you can say with a guarantee will be markedly better than him.
Because there's not Right. I mean, it it's Jalen Hurts. It's Was that a nod, Bart? As in Jalen Hurts. Oh, oh, oh.
Yeah. You told me. A good take I had was. Um what was that good thing I had? No, the Titans and the Vikings are Spider-Man mean.
Yeah. And like there's You know how many g You can never call Kirk Cousins one in a million. Because he's like one of eight in the same league he's in. He is Ryan Tannehill. He is Derek Carr.
He is Mendoza. Whoever Mendoza was, where they created the Mendoza line, Kirk Cousins has. He's. He spawned his own tier of quarterbacks. Like, by the way, I know where you keep using Dak Prescott as our example for Jordan Love, but like if Jordan Love had Kirk Cousins' career, Well, people thought Kirk was better than Rogers when they matched up in that playoff game.
But like Kirk Cousins, who's like 34 now. And multiple times, you know, got multiple fully guaranteed contracts. Thanks a lot, Minnesota Vikings management. I mean, I'm sure other players loved that, but the fact that that honor went to Kirk Cousins is pretty silly. Because NFL players don't get fully guaranteed contracts.
Like, that would be a. good outcome. Right? Like, because Kirk Cousins, well, Bar, you have your quarterback tiers. Is Cousins in the DAC tier?
Yeah. I know you don't like him, but he's in the Dak tier. Like, that's fine. Cousins. Dak Prescott, I don't know if you've ever heard this.
Dak Prescott is Kirk Cousins with Ben. No, I have a new tier. It's called. It's called quarterbacks that won't win on their team. But would win if they were San Francisco 49ers.
Mm. That's Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins. When all Kirk No, Derek Carl. Kirk's perfect for Kyle Shanahan. Shani loves Kirk.
Oh, I think they should have made that trade. My other thing that I want to do is. I want to Put I want to do a, and this is going to take time, which I have a lot of, but then I just watch Agents of Shield. I want to do like, because I was talking about the Niners quarterback situation. And I said.
The Niners were dealt three hands. Suited.
Okay. They have Trey Lance. Sam Darnold and uh Brock Perry. And so those could be good hands. You probably stay on that hand.
But you could end up with nothing. Or you could end up with like a royal flush. Like they have. Different options.
So I wanted to be like. What are teams being dealt? In cards, you know, Mahomes is Pocket Rockets. He's two aces. That's what he's being dealt.
Jalen Hurts, you're d you're dealing a guy in Ace King, same suit.
So what are are two kings maybe? What's Jordan love, you degenerate gambler, you? Jordan Love, I think, would be like a... Like a jack. Seven.
See, I'm just, I don't play poker at all.
So you got a jack, you got a face card, and you can hit the straight. But Okay, well I'm not great at this analogy. It's Jack 7.
So, you need an 8-9 in the river. It seems like a long shot. I don't feel a lot of confidence about Jordan Love.
Okay, so Jack 8.
Well, that's actually better, weirdly. That doesn't seem like a big difference, but that All right. Yeah. Well, because then you can get the queen. But I think Jack's like the highest face card.
Okay. Mm-hmm. I think I could workshot this. I like it. I actually, because this is a much better way of coming at the topic than what I was starting with.
Five-hour show coming up on Saturday. I need to, I hope to poker deck through an hour of it with this. Yeah. Maybe I can do a segment on. Can you win a Super Bowl with the 49ers?
And we just play the whole league and we look at everyone's quarterback and decide. Whether or not they could win a title if they were on the Niners. Feel like what, three quarters of the league, maybe? Could Jordan Love? We don't even know.
Like, it's all a hypothesis. At least, like, if I say could Daniel Jones, you instantly know. I feel like Daniel Jones could. I feel like that'd be pretty good because you know what he looks like. Yeah.
He looked like last time. Last time I watched him win a football game, he looked like Steve Young playing against the Vikings in the wild. Yeah, that was awesome. He looked unbelievable. But then the following week.
Well yeah. You'll have that on those those Bigger divisional round jobs. Yeah. We'll have that. I'm not sure we answered the question, but you don't really need to.
I mean, I guess I was just trying to feel out where. 'Cause you start You know, and I know why you're saying what you're saying. You're not saying Jordan Love will be the third in the trio of Hall of Fame quarterbacks. I just kind of wanted to level set to see where your head was at in terms of your confidence level. And I wasn't exactly sure how to come at the topic to.
Get that answer out of. the two of you. Um I know, Grant, where's your overall synopsis of where you're how you're feeling about His projection as a career, like you know, eight to twelve years. What like where's he gonna net out? I feel like Dak is an interesting comp and maybe a better comp than Kirk because Dak has had a little bit more up and down in his career.
We're all happy here. But how many years did Kirk sit behind? I mean, I know he kind of jumped in for RG3, but he. Was he a How long was he a true backup? Just like a two there's those.
Let me look it up. You can go a year or two.
Well, I don't know. I just think Dak is probably a better example than Kirk because Dak has had great years and he's had down years where he's thrown more picks, and there has been an ebb and flow and up and down to. To Dak Prescott, and I don't think that's necessarily been the case with Kirk. And I think there will probably be an up and down with Jordan Love for however long he's a starter. But I'm with Bart, probably Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins.
But again, in the NFC, that gets you a That gets you quite a bit these days. It's not like there's a stable of elite quarterbacks that the Packers and Jordan Love would be chasing.
Well, and yeah, so Kirk started one game as a rookie, three games in his second year, and five in his third year.
So, a total of nine games in three seasons. Um in his first three.
So But he was also 24 years old, Kirk was, as a rookie. And is Jordan love 24 right now, I think? Um that's a good question. You know what? The most important thing is getting these guys.
He's 24 right now, Jordan Lovis.
So he's the same age Kirk was as a rookie for context.
Sorry, go ahead. I mean, no, it's great to get on the field, but they also have to practice. Like. Like, say, coming up this winter when you can't get on the golf course, you still want to practice, and that's where Carl's place comes in with these golf simulators. Check out carl of et.com backslash Bart.
and they can help you build your golf room today. Oh, I had a good night at the Steve last to cover all that again. Good. Wednesday, my voice was shaky. But Saturday I came back, I walked through the press box door and go, John's home furniture.
And they're like, he's back, baby. Welcome to movie phone. That would be my warm-up every time. Welcome to movie phone. Why don't you just tell me the name of the movie you want to see?
That's Seinfeld. Paul never seen the show. Nope.
Sorry. But you've seen curb though. That's good enough. Yep, good enough. All right.
Any other Jordan love thoughts? Yeah. Yeah, I had fun watching several thousand, but we can move on. I had fun watching him. I'm excited to watch him again this week.
That's where I stand kind of. Zeke Elliott is a patriot. Delvin Cook is a jet. Yeah. Is it These These running backs, once considered elite, Now, obviously, just trying to get jobs.
I'm gonna say it like this. Neither one. will make any real impact. on their new team. Neither will make any real impact.
Or mm-mm. Um Mm-mm. I think there's going to be some great Zeke days. Yeah. Like Zeke, he'll have a game where he rips off 80 yards and two scores.
They're not going to ask him to do that much. Ramondre Stevenson is, I'm, you know, he's their guy. I'm surprised about that. Why are you surprised? He's good.
The Patriots do have an all-time team of. Guys that you start in daily fantasy. That you're like, all right. You know, with what Tim would always do on his fantasy shows, it's Hunter Henry week. He's got a great matchup, the Chiefs are bad against tight ends, he's going to score.
And then he does Jack shit and their backup Chargers backup tight end and two touchdowns. Hunter Henry, Juju Smith Schuster. Devontae Parker. The Patriots are a team of guys where, if you look at your fantasy roster in week nine and it's a bunch of those guys, you're bone. Yeah, like if that's your dynasty fantasy, you're like Shit, I gotta rebuild.
Like the in the years past, it's been Brandon LaFell and Ted Ginn, like players of that ilk, the Patriots. Oh, they're better than those guys. A whole roster of those guys. Ted Ginn. Ted was good at a point.
There was one year, though, he played for Washington, Rod Gardner. He had a brief stint with Green Bay. He's a receiver. He got traded like every week in my league. It's like he was a throw-in.
I'll give you Rod Gardner, too. Oh, okay. Throw in in the deal. I think the Jets, I like that they're like, who's stopping the Jets? And it's like.
the Packers from two years ago and You know, Garrett Wilson. There should never be a graphic with Alan Lazar that says who's stopping this team. Yeah. Well, okay, so that's another thing. That Jets graphic came out.
I retweeted it, you know, some snarky remark. It was Rogers and Garrett Wilson, Dalvin Cook, and Brees Hall. And they're like, this is the offense. It's like, first of all, I wish Rogers the best, and I'm not like angsty against the Jets. Maybe part of me wants to see them kind of crash and burn.
I don't know that that's personal against Rodgers. I just. It's fun watching a team with high expectations come up short. Like the Mets, it's been fun to watch them this year. And the Broncos last year, it's fun to watch that team fall flat on its face.
I'm not necessarily anti-Jets. I am anti-everyone acting like Aaron Rodgers is now in this incredible situation and he finally has support that he never had in Green Bay.
Okay. The defense is good. The defense is better, I think, than whatever the Packers have the last couple of years. But Rodgers has as his number one wide receiver Garrett Wilson. DeMontae Adams is a way better number one.
Garrett Wilson is a nice, exciting young player. We don't know if he could be a number one on a contending team. And you're telling a backfield of. Washed Dalvin Cook and Brees Hall coming off at ACL. And I know it's going to happen.
Dalvin Cook, we're going to get to week two, and Dalvin Cook's going to bust off like a 55-yard run. He's washed. He's not that guy anymore.
So let's not pretend like this situation, which is Garrett Wilson. And old Dalvin Cook and ACL Brees Hall is leagues better than Devontae Adams, Jamal Williams, Aaron Jones, and A.J. Dillon, because it's not. It's like the same team. Yep.
I'd argue the pet the pack was better. Jared Cobb. Yeah, Lazar's on both.
So I don't know. So is Randall Cobb for Randall Cobb's on both? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.
I don't know. I think Dalvin Cook is very. They're paying a ton of money for him. Dalvin Cook did really well for himself. What's his deal?
Uh how much of it's guaranteed? Uh, well, I don't know about that. Seven or eight, yeah, seven or eight or eight Aaron Pete? I think quite a bit of it was.
Well, it's money they don't have to give Rogers, he gave it back. Um I think he'll be fine. Dalvin Cook will be fine. I weirdly think Zeke. I don't know.
I think the Patriots know what they're doing still. despite what a lot of people think now. I'm a Zeke truther. That's why. Yeah.
By the way, yeah, so the The Delvin Cook contract is $7 million, but the guaranteed money, at least according to Spot Track, is not yet released. That makes sense. Yeah, I just made up a number. I didn't know. And I agree.
You're right about seven. Um I I don't know. It's just a lot of money for Wash, Dalvin, Cook. And this version of the Jets has a much worse offensive line than the Packers did the last couple of years. And I got, I know, I got Bodie in my mentions fighting with Paul Noonan about how they traded Adams Way.
Yeah, I realize Adams left later. I do, but they had two very legit runs at it with an offensive core that looks really similar to what the Jets have now. I think it's better than what the Jets have now. And that wasn't enough in a weaker conference.
So, who's stopping the Jets? I think a lot of teams. I think Robert Sala is stopping the Jets. Yeah. I think that's a good take.
I don't know. We'll see. And when their defensive coordinator on Hard Knocks has taken pot shots at the Patriots, who they haven't beaten in like 15 years. I think. It's a little clown car-ish.
You get out ahead of yourself just a little bit. I think the Jets might be, but we'll see. Zeke got one year, six million. With a $1 million signing bonus, which probably means. That's it?
He got $2 million? No, Zeke got one year, six million with one million signing bonus guaranteed. Oh. But that does not mean that anything beyond like the He might not get all six million. Dalvin Cook might not get all seven million.
I think these guys are totally washed. I think if they weren't names that we knew. Like, and you just Watch them without a jersey on, and you couldn't see their face, then you didn't recognize who they were, I think you'd say. Oh, these guys are bad. Like, who like who are these two running backs?
Like, they're. Third stringers. They should be on NFL rosters. But you can't watch 2022 Ezekiel Elliott or Delvin Cook and say, like, I want that guy. Like if you didn't, they have names, they're big names, and they were once both very good.
They're not they weren't. I mean, I I Not sitting there watching their 2023. you know Tape from there doing their workouts with their various teams, but man, they were so.
So washed.
Well, consider the offensive line, Dalvin Cook's going to be running behind now. You know, the Jets do not have A good offensive line. Like, I don't know. I think he'll be there in. In the stead of Brees Hall until Brees Hall is back, but Brees Hall is coming back from a mass knee injury.
Yeah. I don't know. Dalvin Cook does not make the Jets a super team. I I I don't know. I I just I saw that getting thrown around a lot the other day and I'm like Yeah, well, I think remember like when Le'Veon Bell kind of started bouncing around teams a little bit, and it was like every time you got him, it was like a big, it was like a headline, right?
Oh, it was like Le'Veon Bell. Like, here's a good cop: Le'Veon Bell going to the Chiefs is a lot like DeMarcus Cousins going to the Warriors in a way. I think a little different, but in spirit, like very similar. Yeah. Big name.
Remember when he had a good night and then the Bucks cut him in the lock? Mm-hmm. No, before he could get to the locker room, I believe. It's about the people. I mean, these teams are made of people, as Aaron Roberts once said.
All right. I want to ask you a brewer's question. Uh This week. They And there'll be pipeline redids. Prospect list.
Baseball America redid its pipe, its pipeline prospect lists. The Brewers have five of the top 54. You could say five of the top 100, but it's five of the top 54 prospects. I saw one of those lists does like a point value.
So, like, if you're The Number one rated prospect is worth 100 points. The second prospect is worth 99, et cetera, et cetera, and down. The brewer's farm system had the second most. cumulative total points among all of this. This Now, I'm gonna just.
Kind of give you some, I'm gonna throw a bucket of cold water. And I don't want this to like lean you in a certain direction. In 2017, they also had five top 100 prospects. Lewis Brinson? Ha ha ha.
Corey Ray. Aww. Castanhera. My guy Luis Ortiz? Yeah.
And Brandon Woodruff. Woody.
So, um, so I'm not, I'm just trying to like this. Partially, I'm saying that for my own self because I'm a prospect guy. Um, but sometimes they pan out, sometimes they don't. By the way, Freelick is one of those in the top five, one of the five of the top 54. He's already obviously a very good player.
Um, The future of the Brewers This prospect list. Has you feeling like Whatever window this is is obviously I don't want to say infinite, but has a very, very long shelf life for the window. You're feeling extremely optimistic about what this next crop is going to bring in the very near future. For the or Charlotte Brewers. Fuck off.
That's not funny to joke about. I agree. I agree with Paul. Chuck had a great Like I and I told him right when he said it, this is what we would latch on. He goes.
Brewers fans don't Like You don't deserve the Brewers don't deserve to be talking to ever Ever. be talking about moving for the level of support they've gotten through shitty forty years You're going to reward those fans by saying how we might move if we can't. Update our plumbing? Fuck you. Good take.
The rate W, yeah.
Well, okay, so you just said the prospects from 2017, which we were all. I don't know. See, I like. I get excited about prospects. I like to monitor their progress, and you want to see them at the big league level because you want your.
Big league team to do well. But I don't know that I've ever I mean, like The amount of there's a hundred people in their minor league system. And like we're excited about five of them and One or two might hit. I just feel like digging in the pro like I feel like it's a waste of time. But the more.
So obviously it's like people are excited that Tyler Black got called up to triple A. You should be excited about that. No, I'll be excited when Tyler Black comes here and then performs well for a month. Yeah, but the fact that he made it there as quickly as he did, performed at every level, the fact that he will eventually change his name to Seth Rollins. These are all really important things.
Yeah, that's hard for me. What? I always think of Seth. I know Tyler Black in Ring of Honor, Grant. Yeah, Grant and others.
Yeah, Seth Rollins, WWE Seth Rollins in the Indies was Tyler Black. Before he became Seth Rollins.
Sounds like a porn name, I'm going to be honest. Which one? Either. I was saying Tyler Black, more, but both. Both do, Seth Rollins and Tyler Black.
Uh very excited. Yes, very excited. Very excited because they have um They have a glut of guys in the outfield right now. I've started to think at the end of this year, they're probably going to evaluate Weemer. Mitchell, Freelick.
And I think we Freelick just has some skills specific to him that this team and this club needs in the worst way. Like they need a guy with good bat to ball skills somewhere in their lineup because God knows they don't have very many.
So they're going to look at Freelick And Weimer and Mitchell, and all these young outfielders, and then Cheerio is probably going to be in that discussion too. And then Jelich plays the outfield. They're going to have to decide who they really, really like. And I could see a world in which The one odd man out, let's say just for. The case of This conversation is Joey Weimer.
They say, all right, can we take Joey Weimer and another prospect and find an equivalent third baseman or first baseman somewhere around the league? Yeah. Right. Another franchise that has a glut of corner infielders and they need an outfielder, right? But that could, but that could be Tyler Black.
100%, it could be. But you can't play all these prospects and they're not all going to be good.
So, if the brewers get to the end of the year and they're trying to decide they're outfield of the future. When with Mitchell coming back and with Freelick here to stay and with Churio, you assume happy. Having a spot at some point before too long. They're going to have too many guys. And I.
I love depth. Depth is like you want extra players. You're allowed to have more than one good player at each. I want the Nashville Sounds to win the title every year. That's as important to me.
Led by MVP Caspanheira.
Well, maybe that's where I like. Maybe that's what soiled me. Kestin? 'Cause Kesten was like... Gonna be Oscar.
Can't miss. Can't trade him in 18 for Manny Machado when this team was a game away, a couple runs away from the World Series. Him and Corbin Burns are my two untouchables. Yep. Well you were right you were you were right about one of them.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, Grant, I would just say this about Joey Weimer. I just had to look it up because. It's been a Prevailing thought.
He is. Um I wish I had. All the stat overlay here, and I'm not a big batting average guy, but it's a stark enough contrast where I would say versus uh versus left-handed pitcher, he's a 305 average, versus right-handed pitcher, 181. Yeah. So he, you know, Weimer might not be, and not, you know, you'd rather he was an everyday player or he had the ability as a hitter.
And of course, he can change. Orlando Arcia, worst base, worst hitter in the league two consecutive years.
Now he's an all-star. Players evolve, players change, players get better. But Weimer might be a guy that you start versus lefties. And that's what he is. He's a big thumper against lefties.
He comes in off the bench. in a pinch-hitting situation. But that's kind of where it seems like he's trending right now, is not. You know, once the Brewers have Jurio and Freelake and Garrett Mitchell's back, like Weimer's probably not. you know, a guy that Starts every day.
Or the Brewers, they love Weimer in the clubhouse. They love his defense. They say, well. Let's drink Garrett Mitchell. Let's do it.
It doesn't even have to be Weimer. It was just for the sake of the conversation. No, I know what you're saying. But all the things you said about Weimer are very true. Weimer is boiled down into a player.
the problem with a lot of brewers hitters the last ten years. A lot of home runs, lot of strikeouts, one-sided at the plate, can't really hit both sides.
So, yeah, Weimer is a lot more of the same. Um, and I love Joey Weimer, like he could be a part of this team for a long time. I'm just saying, I think they're they're gonna come to a point where they have a lot of outfielders. And they might decide they don't want to keep running Brian Anderson. Fill in the blank, Rowdy Tales, Chris Carter, Adam Lind, Eric Thames at Frontier.
Adam Lind, I forgot about Lind. How do you forget about Adam Lind? Come on. And they trade for an equivalent. Of Joey Weimer or someone like that, but it's a corner infielder instead of an outfielder.
So I okay.
Well, I just found some more advanced stats on Weimer just to kind of close the book on this. I'm a big weighted runs created plus guy. It's very easy. If you're 100, you're league average. The higher you go above 100, the better you are above the league average.
How much you go below 100, you're worse. All these stats are like. That one is so easy.
So let's not just. Celsius in a Fahrenheit world. Sure. If you already know, we already know Fahrenheit our whole life. We know batting average our whole life.
And then it's like, nah, let's do Celsius instead. Yeah, but it's two wins, run, created plus. It's very easy. If you're average, you're 100. If I'm 100, I'm the best.
Or I'm One out of ten. You wonder is the median? The only problem with your analogy is that Fahrenheit then doesn't take into account that there are many different types of temperatures and that a single is not the same as a home run. I don't know how to do the analogy with weather. Shading images.
Very fun. Anyway, Weimer is a 148, which is like... MVP. Level hitting against lefties and 61 against righties, which is Orlando Arcia circa 2018.
So he's either. He's either like, how is that stat any different than batting average? Because it takes into account things beyond that a hit is a hit and that walks. But the disparage the discrepancy between righties and lefties that you just said was you said three something and then a hundred something. Yeah, when it's that I got, and then now you just said this stat.
Which sounds Bart's going to be the guy in a couple of years when his son brings home math homework. Bart's going to be sitting at the table saying, Why did they change math? Math is math. You just presented numbers. You created this new way to present numbers that say the same thing you just said.
In this particular example, there's such a stark contrast between. What was it you know, the batting average and also the way to run Creative Plus? Bart, I'll make this very simple. Batting average says that walks are irrelevant. Says that a home run is worth the same as a single.
It's very, very, very, very, very flawed. In this example, It said ultimately the same thing. But it gave further context to say-hold on.
Okay, go ahead. You wanna do this? Let's go. Batting average tells me. When he's at the plate, how many times does he get a hit?
But not how many times he gets on base, which is stupid. But I want to know how many times he gets a hit. Why? There's other ways on base. But I don't care about that in that particular instance.
If I want to know how many times he gets on bass, I'll look at on bass percentage. But sometimes I want to know, well, how many times is he getting a hit?
Okay. So, why is that bad? Why can't you know how many times you're getting a hit? There's nothing wrong with it. It should be one of.
The 30 things you look at. I'm fine with it being one of the thirty. 30. Jesus Christ. Like for stats and you have roster spots.
Fine. One of 26. We'll make it as one of the 26. I still judge it. I think it should only be ITS.
So all these stats, anyway.
So, like, you know, like Louisa Rai, former twin, current Marlin, like amazing singles hitter. Right? Like, and I would love Luis La Luis Arai on the, like, he's a great contact hitter. Like. But you can't say, well, that's the same as if Joey Weimer averages a double or every fourth hit of Joey Weimer's is a home run.
Anyway. Why are we doing this? This is silliness. Anyway, um I prefer the eye test. I'm very, very.
Eye test is also part of it. There was the um. Bart, actually, when speaking of Chuck Freeman. Um, he had the CFET. Remember the CFET?
Yeah, Chuck Freeman eye test. The CFET, the Chuck Freeman eye test. What about Jober metrics? Job I liked Jober metrics. That was good.
Yeah, he did the whole segment, didn't he? It didn't last long, did it? Yeah, like how many games the Brewers were supposed to win and did win versus supposed to win and lose, and vice versa. I thought that was interesting. And now that lives out there.
That lives that somebody's, I like to say he was Joe overreacting. But then somebody said that. His joveries were out of control. I said, guys, it's 2019. We can't be saying this shit.
Sure, no worries. Um uh for me Give me all this brewer's farm system stuff. This is great. I mean, that's not a difficult question. You're like, hey, listen to all these amazing prospects.
You're excited. Yeah. Fuck yeah, I've been excited about awful brewer teens. I'm a hunt. Yes, I'm very excited about this.
But that's why I had to at least put it in there: here's the last time they had fun. Cause it's. Yeah. More than likely. Like if two of those five like pretty damn good.
Even like some, like, even like a nice shade above league average. I don't know. I don't know what the best outcome would be. Anyway, long story: like, two of them are probably going to fail pretty badly. Like two of them will probably Two of them will probably be in like the Lewis Brinson category.
Like, that's. I don't know which to. Hopefully, it's not Jackson Shurio. It presumably won't be. But also, like, you can have five prospects in the top 54 all you want.
And if all if four of the five fail miserably, and one of them is Julio Rodriguez or Ronald Acuna Jr., that's a wonderful outcome. Like four of them can fail miserably. And if Churio is Ronaldo Cunha Jr. you are set up beautifully, you know?
So like. Um Okay. Let's just hope they're on that Mac Gamble. All right, I know we're limited on time. Grant, I'm gonna have you go first on this because You are my favorite guy to talk Damian Lillard with.
Just kidding. I know you hate the Damian Lillard talk. Um This James Hart on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream, Dan Shaney. Insurance runs. Your faces told quite a story there.
You're intrigued by this James Harden Daryl Maury saga. No, I actually have something. I have something, I think. This is what I said on last night's show. Everyone's dragging Daryl Maury now.
lied to his player. You know, Kyrie's coming after him. You know, the crime that Daryl Maury committed? Daryl Maury committed the crime of giving Joel and Bi and James Harden an incredible opportunity last year to rewrite the book on their postseason failures. They had a lead over the Celtics and they blew it.
And I'm sick and tired of how we villainize executives and coaches in professional sports when their players simply didn't get the job done. Suits, suits, suits, suits, suits. It's not Daryl Maury's fault that James Harden and Joellen Bi pooped their pants in the fourth quarter of game six and then again in game seven against the Celtics. I think Philly should trade Embiid. You've been on that.
You've been on that now for I think they should start over. I mean, they almost might as well at this point. They've not ever got out of the second round with them. 10 years ago. Let me say it again.
Daryl Moore is a liar. I will never be part of an organization that he's been a part of.
Someone did the George. You know, when George Costanza wants, well, Paul, you don't, but Bart, you know, when George Costanza's trying to get the apartment and he's up against someone who was on the shipwreck? Oh, what's that ship called? The Doria Finnea, the Dorsey on Brady Street, the Andrea Doria. And he's like, Did Dorian Finney Smith?
He's sitting, yeah, he's sitting at the table, and it's like cutting in and out as he's telling all these stories from. his life And then my mom came in and On me treating my body like a playground, and it's cutting in and out. And someone did that, but with all the Sixers offseasons over the years, it's like, And then they did trade James Butler. And then, like, the next picture is. You know, like, and they drafted a third center in a row, and then Ben Simmons forgot how to shoot.
Like, that's what the Simmons, or really, the Sixers' decade of offseasons now has been, and it's funny, but. Don't put this on Daryl Maury. Like, Daryl Maury built an awesome team last year. They were up against the Boston Celtics with a chance to close him out at home in six games, and Hardin and Embiid blew it. And now I won't have Hardin and Embiid turn around, and now everyone wants to villainize the exec.
Like, Daryl Murray's kind of a knob, but he's also had James Harden's back his entire career. I don't know. I thought what you were going to say is the crime that Daryl Mori committed is that he. Like, completely tethered his career to James Harden's career.
Well, like, Harden is Maury's guy. I mean, he picked him up in his private airplane after trading for him. Yeah, you know who he traded? You know who he traded for him? A guy who doesn't play basketball.
That's who he acquired James Harden for. Do we all forget that Darryl Maury? And draft picks, but yeah.
Well, yeah, but. I suppose. I'm just saying that fixed. Dude, did one of you have to leave? I don't want to keep you.
I got like five. We can wrap up five hours. Oh, I love it. Bart, you have five hours of national radio coming up. James Harden, Derek Harrison.
Oh, I talked about James Harden. This happened on. Oh, you hit this on national radio? No, no, no, no. Him saying that didn't happen, but the trade request happened.
So I talked about it and I said. Why do we spend all this time wondering where James Harden's going to go? Why do we spend all this time wondering what team is James Harden going to be acquired by that will lose in the second round? Right. It's it's it's Steph Curry, it's LeBron James, it's Uh, Jokic, it's Yanis.
These are the guys winning championships, and we spend all this time on: well, where's Kyrie gonna go? Where's James Harding going to go? Where is James Harden going to go? Who cares? James Harden.
Is the kind of player that is worth $50 million like he is. But no one wants to pay him that.
Okay. There's nowhere for him to play. Nobody wants him. What who who is he going to make better? Who is he going to improve?
And if he's, if you could say, oh, well, Chicago, maybe?
Okay, so then what? They're going to be in the second round instead of the first? Right. They'll make the playoffs instead of not. James Hardin's not going to win you a championship.
And we're going to spend all this time wondering: well, where's Harding gonna go? Where's Harding gonna go? What's he gonna do? What's he gonna say? For a guy who perennially.
Loses. But for but for better and for worse, the NBA. Built around some of like that, what you're saying is obviously the most relevant question. Will James Harden help you win? But there's a lot of player movement and it's exciting, but we're doing it for these guys who don't win anything.
Well, I think I've mentioned this before. Durant being the exception, but he won with the Warriors. There's a connection there, don't you think? Like these guys, Durant signed a four-year deal. He's with Brooklyn.
Now he's a son. Yeah. This part opts into his player contract.
Now he wants the now he never wants to play there again. Damian Lillard signs a four-year mega extension and asks to be traded, not just to be traded, but to be traded to a particular team when all he could ask. He's going to ask for one and he's going to want out. He's never won anything. It's like these guys I don't know.
We're s we spend so much time on Which team is going to be the Clippers? Who's going to acquire these superstars and then not do anything with them? Yeah, for sure. How many minutes on your respective shows this week will The Michael Or. Story Nero.
None. I thought we already knew that that was all fake. By the way, I never cared to see and never did see the movie. I didn't either, but I thought he came out afterwards, like, ah, fam, this ain't what my life was. Tim McGraw would never do this.
And also, and I'll say this again, I brought this up on the pod more than once. Tim McGraw is very underrated for his accomplishments in the field of activity. thing. Yeah. What else was he in?
The Yellowstone spin-off. He's excellent. He's in a couple of the. Was he in racing stripes? No, that was.
He's in a lot of things. I don't know. Tim McGrath's a good actor. Hm.
Son of Tug McGraw. Yeah. Philly's picture. Uh Yeah.
Well, that was an anticlimactic way to end. I wish we could have. Bart, what else? Bart, hit us with like your. What are like non-Wisconsin stories that you have on your docket?
for your five hours. Oh, I shit a lot on the Angels for not trading Otani. That was actually one of my topics. ESPN put out an article. I feel like Grant has to leave.
Well, I do, and I do. And within the next two minutes, yeah, I just checked my phone, and it's a million tweets from Bodhi. He's fighting the world in my conventions right now. Not like me, I would never. I'll send this to you guys if you want to see it.
If you want to use this as anything you talk about, Bart.
Well, you and I can still talk. Like we did. That's fine. That's fine. But Otani, oh, you can quiz me on conferences.
I listened to what you guys said after I left. I did not look anything up since you said you want to quiz me on what team is in what conference for college football or whatever. I didn't look any up. I'm going to fail miserably. Pittsburgh.
Hold on, ESP I don't know. Biggies. Yeah. Oh, there you go. That's a great start.
Otani's, they did like a whole statistical analysis. Otani's average annual value should be, he won't get this, but should be $76 million a year. Yeah, I was going to say $80. Yeah. He's two players in one.
That's why they're he's he's worth he's worth 37 million as a pitcher and. 38 as a hitter. I do have to go. You guys keep cooking. You have to go.
We'll wrap it up. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we'll wrap it up with you gone.
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it. Thank you for coming on, as always. And do people know you're coming? Yeah, I am.
I'm coming next week. I got my ticket. I'm coming to the tailgate. Paul, you need to go. I know.
I'm trying to see what I can do. It sounds like Paul's worst nightmare. No one can. Yeah, it does. I love that you know that about me.
All these people. I'm like, I'm oddly comforted by the fact that people in general. You could stop right there. Just all these people. It doesn't matter who the people are.
Paul, just, yeah. All these lonely people, where do they all come from? That's the theme of my podcast. Bye. Beatles drink.
So, what I'm going to talk about, I'm going to shit on the. I always shit on the angels. That's good. That's a good place to start. I do one segment every show, every show.
Where I basically just pull out the MLB standings.
Okay. And just talk about baseball. And I shit on the twins. Because they had a clear path to the. To the playoffs, and they're just like, nah, we know we suck.
We could add people, but. Wh well for what? We're just gonna go to the playoffs and get beat in round one. We suck.
Well, okay, okay, it's interesting. I shun the Angels for not trading Otani. Yeah. Uh that's about it. That's all you have planned for five hours?
I don't have anything planned. For five hours, I don't have anything planned. How much planning do you do? For for that length of a show. For four hours, for five hours.
So the problem is I do a really good job. Mapping out a three-hour show. Yeah. And then I like That last hour, I need something to happen. But you know what?
Your nine o'clock hour on the radio show was usually your best hour. When I didn't give a shit. When yeah, when you had kind of said everything you had to say, so now you could kind of like be more free and just toss things around and Yeah. What do you want? Harder to do that national.
No, it is. And by the way, I saved a lot of those 9 a.m. hours with trivia and call game and So maybe I'm biased. Um What do you say about the Yankees and their 14 back? I mean, let me be your producer or your co-host guy.
Bart, Yankees are 14 back, last place in the AL East. What are they doing? Yeah, the Yankees, there's a lot of like Yankee panic. They're just not winning as many games as the other teams. I don't think there's a problem with the Yankees.
Okay. Yeah. Well, they're only one game above 500. That's a problem. I know, but still, they're fine.
They're having a bad year. All right, I wanna, before I go, then I'm gonna go. I wanna fail miserably your college foot, your college. I'm going to do so. I just named the division that doesn't exist, so that's a great start.
All right, I did this with Chuck. We did five for frames. Oh, did you really? On the Brewers one or on your. And I added some.
Music from uh StreamYard. Oh, I won't be able to hear it. Oh, money I can hear.
Okay. You can hear it. Yep, I hear it. Yeah, the only good one is rock. Yeah.
Uh What conference? For 2023.
Okay. Conferences Missourian. Back. The Mac? Yeah.
They're in the SEC. Are they really?
Okay. What conference is Florida State Inn. Oh, I should know this one. A C C Very good. Thank you.
What conferences? BYU in. Unaffiliated. They just joined the Big 12. Were they unaffiliated?
They were independent. Independent? Yeah, okay. What conference is Maryland in? Big ten.
There you go. Just test it. Yeah, I got that one. What conference is Iowa State in? No idea.
The Big Twelve. Big 12. Who's in the Big 12? How many can you name? Iowa State?
I was state. Uh I have no idea. Name me one other team in the Big 12. Kansas. Yes!
What do you want to do? What conference has Texas A ⁇ M? Oh my gosh. Can you give me multiple choices? Yeah, Big Twelve, Big Ten, ACC, or SEC?
Big 12. No, they're in the SEC. SEC?
Okay. That's good for now.
Okay. I got a couple. Happy. It's a good That's good like random background music too. Yeah, it's okay.
I'll use that going forward. That's uh it's called rock. I like rock. Yeah. There's dance pop that I have.
These are StreamYard that I I think pay for. Yeah. That's good. Hi, Paul. What conferences?
Tanford. I don't know Pac 12.
Okay, Pac 12. Fact 12 is where UCLA and USC left, correct? Yeah. Who's left in it? Oregon?
Who's left in it? No, who's left in it is Oregon State, Washington State, Cal, and Stanford. There's four teens. Arizona, Arizona State, Utah went to the Big 12. Ezekiel, Colorado, Washington, and Oregon are coming to the Big 10.
So there's four teams left, and they got to decide what they want to do. If they're going to merge with somebody or try to. Like they might merge with the conference that is San Diego State, Boise State, the Mountain West. Or, I don't know, because the Pac-5 gets an automatic bid into the or the Pac-12 gets an automatic bid into the playoff. I don't know if legally they can just try to be a 14-conference.
be around Rob and play each other every time and then Probably one of those. I don't know. I don't know the rules. Hmm.
So wait, the bit how long has the big East ceased to exist? 2013, it became a basketball-only conference.
Okay, so it's basketball. I mean, I do know basketball better than I know college football.
So that makes sense, but Yeah. All right, buddy. All right, we'll see. Seems like a good time to end it. Yeah, I'm gonna fade out with some dance pop music.
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Okay, so what do we what do we tease him with for Friday's show? I don't know. I don't got anybody booked. A good, let's say, let's see. How about we have?
Yoshi's Being born. That's the post-credits scene in the Mario movie. Did you show that to the kiddo? I saw the postcredits scene. Where Yoshi's being born, or you can do the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles post-credit scene where she says.
Bring me The shredder Shredder's not in turtles. He's not in this one. He's teased as the big baddie for the second one. Who are the big bads in this one? Superfly Voiced by Ice Cube, Bebop, Rocksteady.
Oh, I love Bebop and Rocksteady. How about Kang or Craig? Krang is not in the first one. He will probably join Shredder.
So bebop rock steady. Uh, Leatherhead super super fly is voiced by Ice Cube. He's the big baddie. Um Yeah. I don't want to say too much.
I could tease you, but yeah. There's your tease. You can spoil the Turtles movie for me. I'll live. Um Some of those baddies become goodies.
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