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We've got a Packer postgame. The Packers won 23-6 over the Minnesota Vikings. At home, they were able. to beat a division rival.
So What I'm getting What I'm getting online before I sit down to do this. is that that is that is good. Um That's good. And And so we're good. We're good here.
Go Paco. We will see you next week on Thursday, Thanksgiving. That'll be fun. Go Paco, they won. Nothing to talk about.
Nothing to be mad about. Uh they won against a division rival. How you didn't you didn't like when they you You you didn't like when they kicked the field goal? to keep a two-score game a two-score game instead of Trying to go for a three-score game. You mean you don't like that there was another sign that Matt LaFleur.
plays too conservative. And you are watching these games, Bart, as somebody who wants a Super Bowl and isn't just. You know, it's not it's not like w this is a place that we call Tidal Town. But you guys are good. you know, just winning in the middle of November, like We want against the division rival.
Still not going to be in first place after this week, but that is satisfying enough. For you.
Okay, then we're good. Then I got nothing to say. We are good. There's nothing to say. There's nothing to say.
We're up 23.6. Gets a division rival. We won. Yeah, we won. Can we please be happy now?
I want to be happy. Yeah. Yeah, Green Magic 6920. Great supporter of the show, great supporter. of the channel.
You know I appreciate you for that. Luke says, I'm happy with the win. But my three-year-old said the P word for the first time when they cut the lefleur. Mat Conda Forever. I believe it.
I believe it indeed. Ben, not sure why they were paying Jordan Love $55 million to hand the ball off to a. Second string running back. Whisk 14. I don't think the defense.
can play any better other than that game. Uh yeah, they they played very well, I think. JJ McCarthy. Uh might not be good at all. But they played very well.
So I didn't intend to. Come on here and be such a jerk, but You know. That's that's what's and why is everybody Hold on. Why is everyone so free?
So free to just call me the R word. I mean, I I complain about Matt LaFleur. And I can I talk about climate change. And I've I've been called the R word online probably. No less than thirty times.
Over the weekend. I mean, call me anything you want, whatever you're going to call me. Like a miserable prick, or whatever, you know, whatever you're going to call me, you're probably going to catch some of me. But I don't I don't understand why it's so uh So free to just use that word. And just be so flippant about it.
Anyway, Packers won. The game today. And so I do want to talk about that. I'll throw the link up here if anybody wants to join. I do want to say a couple of the um biting things here first.
These are the things that I do think are my biggest takeaways, whether you agree with them or not. Whether they should be or not. My biggest takeaways of the game. One Is the defense played very well? The whole team.
I titled this. Episode Packers pick up a key division win. Where all units contribute, and all units did contribute. And I think offensively, they just kind of, you know, maybe they vanillaed it up. Maybe, maybe, maybe in this situation.
I shouldn't be mad about LaFleur kicking a field goal in that moment. Maybe, maybe in a vacuum. in that moment I should I should look around and say, okay, division game. Love might be a little banged up. Um You know, J.J.
McCarthy and the Vikings offense aren't really doing anything.
So I should just. I should just relax. In this one, I should just, I should just. be fine. And let it move on.
But I do feel like. That is that like Okay, so it didn't bite us today. It didn't bite us today because, of course, you kick a field goal, you go up 14, it's not going to bite you because the Vikings are never going to come back. And is Matt LaFleur thinking that? Like, let's not risk anything here.
Let's just kick a field goal. We're fine. Is he thinking that? He has not earned the benefit of the doubt to think that. And you're crazy.
If you think he has, he has not earned the benefit of the doubt. For us to just be like, Oh, for us to have all those qualifiers. I don't think he has earned. the benefit of the doubt. Uh for that.
Okay. And I want to tweet, so I got to tweet, I got to tweet. I got a quote tweet. I am willing to I am willing to be satisfied. And move on with a nice win.
However I don't think LaFleur Has earned any benefit of the doubt. to know that he is calling This game conservative. Conservativ for any Other reason Other than that. His mature.
Okay. I think that makes sense. Uh I get it. You want to be happy? I'm going to let you be happy.
I'm going to let you be happy. I don't think that he's earned it. I don't think that he's earned it. I'm not trying. I'm not out there.
Trying to see Packer fans that are happy and say, don't be happy. I'm not doing that. You see me being unhappy, and then you come to me and say, hey, be happy. I'm going to be. I'm going to be what I want to be.
I'm going to be what I want to be. Okay. So I'm going to be what I want to be. Um All right, links up. We're following some of these games.
Can the Steelers come back? On the Bears, the Lions are currently trailing the Giants. We'll figure all that out. The Chiefs. Pretty much have their playoff spot on the line.
as well So we'll see what happens. Uh there.
So the Matlafleur thing, that was what I was getting peppered with.
So I'm sorry I started. Probably at the end. Micah Parsons.
So I'm criticizing Matt LaFleur, and I always am going to criticize Matt LaFleur. Jordan Love, I want to get to as a separate piece. You have seen people. Then take that rationale. of how they criticize those guys, your coach and your quarterback.
And you've seen people apply it to Micah Parsons. Micah Parsons was traded for a couple of first-round picks, and they gave him a massive extension. And I think right away, You're like, okay, here's another guy that we can. put into our bucket of criticism. And I don't think that's the case.
Anybody that was criticizing Micah Parsons for anything that they would have done. Or he would have done, you're being impatient. Micah Parsons was worth every penny. Micah Parsons was worth these picks. There's no, I mean, it was always going to end up this way.
Now, are you somebody that needs him to get a bunch of sacks? To feel good about it? Do you need a bunch of sacks to be like, okay, now I believe in Micah Parsons? Do you need that number? Can you watch a game and see the impact he's having?
I would think that you can, but maybe you just need the sacks.
Well, he had two of them today.
So, all right, Micah Parsons and he had I think eight coming into today's he up to ten on the season. No, those two count.
So he's up to eight on the season. He had a three sack game against Arizona. He had a sack and a half against the Giants. Let's not forget in Dallas he had a sack and also saved the game at least. From not being a tie.
So if you're somebody who's out on Matt LaFleur like me, okay, if you're out on Jordan Love, okay, if you're out on Matt Lafayette Micah Parsons or you were ever out. Today has to be the last day you get a mulligan for that. You got to move on. You got to give up that bit.
Okay, you gotta give up that bit. If you're you got to give it up. And uh you would all you should also apologize. For being that way in the first place, this is Micah Parsons. This is the guy that you've wanted on defense, or a guy that you've wanted on defense for a decade and a half, and you got him.
And uh what? Right away. You know, he didn't have a sack against Cleveland. And he didn't have a sack against the Bengals.
So you're going to chew on his ass? I mean, you're going to chew out his ass? You're going to, whatever I'm going to say?
Okay. Um the other thing, Jordan love. Jordan Love. The way some of you guys talk about Jordan Love. It's as if he's playing like he's J.J.
McCarthy. That's the way some of you guys Talk about Jordan Love. He's not the guy, he's not it. If you're watching Jordan Love play the way J.J. McCarthy, if Jordan Love had J.J.
McCarthy's game today, and then you thought, guys, I don't think he's it. I think that's a perfectly. rational thing to say. Has Jordan Love ever come close? To the kind of game.
that J.J. McCarthy had today.
Now love What did he do statistically? 14 to 21, Buck 37, and he got sacked once. He did run it three times for 15 yards. Didn't really do much, didn't really have to. Made some big throws when he had to.
Handed the ball off, Emmanuel Wilson. They ran the ball 42 times. Wilson had 28 carries.
So even without RB Ro RB1. Um You know, they're doing a good job. And they got it from Wilson, and congrats if anybody picked him up. In fantasy for today, and you got your two. Touchdowns out of that.
But JJ McCarthy was 12 and 19, 87 yards. Was sacked five times. Two of those close enough to being safeties. I didn't have an argument. I do think that the refs a lot of times go out of their way to not call a safety.
They'll say, oh, no, he was, he was the. I didn't see that happening.
So I'm fine with that. The other thing is I uh I just you've never you've never seen him play as badly. As J.J. McCarthy has. 12 and 19 again, 87 yards, two touchdowns.
Could have been two safeties, sacked five times, two interceptions. Did I say touchdowns, two interceptions? Just a very bad game. If he ever played that way, you would be welcome. to talk in that regard, but he hasn't, so I don't think You can, and I do think that's different than my Matt LaFleur slander in a 23.6.
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Hi, Bart. Greg Winkler, everybody. Hey, I don't need to stay on very long. I just wanted to say hi.
Okay. So, hi.
Well, what did you think of the game? Can you just talk long enough for me to Respond to one more tweet. Yeah. Um I wonder why they don't like throw the freaking ball more, that's what.
Well, because I'm being told that that was fine. It's a division win. Just deal with it.
Okay. All right. I agree. They won the game, but. license for stuff.
They should have threw the ball a couple more a little more. Hi, Barbara. Hi, Mom.
So You can respond to another tweet. I just want to say hi. We kind of got a throw thing going on here, so. Yeah, what's wrong with you? I don't know.
Mom, mom had some laryngitis stuff, and I think I'm getting it now, so.
Okay. Maybe there's something in the air, you know. But we got crazy Neely here. We gotta take her down to one of the village town centers.
so she can experience the Truman show firsthand. Oh, in the villages? In the villages, yeah.
So It was a good game though. They won and now we got to get ready for. Detroit. And I hope they get beat here, but. Answers the I'm watching the end of that game right now.
All right, I should just see, I bought this check mark and I'm trying to Tweet. I should have never done that because now I'm not. Speech font. All right. Well, good luck with the show.
We'll see you later. Good talk, Dad. And yeah, bye. Bye, bye. All right, there's my dad.
Not sure if he's joining me to help or if he just thinks it's lame that his kid is. Um at home. After a game with all these good games, that felt a little more like: hey, should we just come up with Bark Show? But I appreciate it, Dad. Uh all right, some comments uh that I have.
From other people. Ozone says, I watched the game with no volume, and it was great. That's good. What are they doing continuing to have Savion Williams return kicks? Who liked the one, uh the punt return when Romeo Dobbs Caught it in the sky.
He high pointed a punt return. That was a little bit different. than we've uh been accustomed to. Stallis Thompson says LaFleur quick game plan should help recovery on a short week. Playing 4D chess.
I've look okay, I am open. I am open. Two Criticizing Lafleur. From not making it a three-score game. And not going for it.
I am open. To them thinking, hey, it's a short week, we know McCarthy sucks. I am open to it. All I'm saying is I don't think He's earned The benefit of the doubt.
Okay, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Um let's see here. What else do we got?
Everyone should be a fan however they see fit, including me. Including Including me. Green Magic's back. I'd be down for another Bears. Packers NFC Championship.
I don't think that I would want that. You would want that after Brewers' Cubs, that NLCS? That NLCS, like... Here's why I don't want it, okay? Here's why I don't want it.
I don't want it because of what the.
Well, the Brewers didn't win the Super Bowl after. Or the Packers did the last time they. Took on the Bears, right?
So that all worked out. But I did feel like this year there was a letdown after the Brewers Cubs. And maybe that's a different thing. Maybe it would have been different if the Bears never had Caleb Haney. in that game.
I do feel like there was a letdown against the Dodgers. I don't want it for the buildup. I don't want it for the possibility of the loss. We've already got the win over the Cubs in the playoffs. We've got the win over the Bears.
in the NFC Championship game. I don't ever want to put that at risk ever again. I don't know what I get out of that. What do we get out of that if we're putting that at risk? We've already done it.
Carl Sagan does not like Or Carl Sagan base. This is not the actual Carl Sagan. does not like Matt LaFleur as a coach. Styles Tom, Matt LaFleur calls the game like JJ's quarterback. Yeah, all like these are all everything that I've been thinking about the Packers.
I feel like Is I feel like I'm I still feel about. I still feel about.
Okay. But I'm also happy that they won. I'm I'm like I'm not I'm not I don't know. I might just give up on this. I might just give up on any of this.
I'm just. I don't think I'm wrong. I don't think I'm wrong. And I'm not trying to be. Anything.
I'm not trying to be anything. I am tweeting more because I bought a check mark and I just want to see how that goes. But I'm not saying things that I don't say elsewhere. I am not looking to rage bait. I am just talking about how I feel.
I feel like Jordan Love is good. I feel like Jordan Love is held back. I feel like Matt LaFleur is a conservative coach. Do any of those things change after the result of this game? I don't think they do.
I don't think they do. Because they won, does it eliminate me from being able to talk about any of that stuff? I don't think it does. But I do understand where I live. I do understand.
Um who I live amongst. And I do understand the nature of Wisconsin. And we don't want to hear we don't want to hear it. We don't want to hear it. If the Packers win, that's it.
Nothing else matters. It doesn't matter how, as long as they win. I want to see them continue to build towards winning the Super Bowl, but. I guess, you know. That doesn't matter.
And then when we do lose the Super Bowl, well, I'm just, wasn't it great that we got this far? This is just how we are. I feel Wisconsin in a lot of ways. I really do. I I feel down to earth.
I am a nice person. I constantly have to convince you. I am. But as a sports fan, I we're not cut from the same cloth. We're not cut from the same cloth.
'Cause I just I just don't think that I don't think that just winning is okay. in November. I I look ahead to Super Bowls. You know, I want championships.
Now, do I pick the spots wrong? You know, I'm trying to figure that out after. 40 years of life and 15 years doing this in some regard. But I can only do what I can do, I guess. Q is looks like walking out of the game.
No, I'm in uh the village in Tosa. I swear I saw Lambo Field behind you. What could have that possibly been? Uh it's uh Restaurante Bartolata. Hey, you sh they should be a sponsor.
Maybe I thought the Fleet Farm gate was a left Lucky Town gate, and I got confused. I mean Brett, I feel equally as conflicted about this game, but I think. Where I'm settling is I probably wouldn't have watched another game if they lost today. Just because it would have been so frustrating because it would have been so Packers to lose today and then win on Thursday. And uh I don't know.
I I'm glad they won. Uh I'm glad I could fill a void while you're completing that tweet, but Yeah. I don't know, I just. It feels like We can't be overly optimistic about this team with given the Interesting. the head coach that we have.
So I'm just excited we beat a team that we should. That has only The only complaint I had. Was that LaFleur kicked a field goal to make a two-score game a two-score game? That's it. That's it.
That's my only complaint about the game. And that's not enough to like. Prevent me from enjoying a win. I don't. And these shows, I look, I'm not going to keep, it doesn't behoove anybody.
If these shows are Bart's Feelings versus the World. But we have to get past this. You have to be able to understand what I'm saying if I'm gonna be able to say it. If I'm gonna try to make this shit work. Then I'm going to need that from you.
But if not, look, I'll just go stock shelves or some shit. No, I completely agree. Like Both things can be true. Like it could be. A dog another Example of why Matt LaFleur either can't do math or is just a bad decision maker under pressure.
Um Maybe both. But I guess Let me ask you a question. Do you feel better or worse after this win than you did after the Giants? Oh, I feel better. The special teams made a play, defense made some plays.
When they did kick field goals, we actually made them. Oh, that was good. Watson's getting more involved. Emmanuel Wilson stepped up in a big way. You know, we didn't really make any mistakes offensively.
I don't think there's anything too bad. I feel really good. I'm very happy about the win. It's just. I tweeted one bad thing about LaFleur.
Yeah. Oh. Mean at least you're You're getting some some mentions. And so some views.
So that that's all you really tweet for anyways these days with your blue check mark.
Well, I might be in need of more financial stability after the end of the year. Let me just say that. Uh oh. Is Carlos taking your job? Who knows?
Yeah. Well, you know what's good is uh Sparky has revitalized the fans, so there's a soft landing spot for you. Yeah, we'll see. But I'm sure it'll all work out the way it's meant to. Keep up the good work, Park.
Don't get where'd you watch the game? What's that? Where'd you watch the game? Just at home.
So just getting a walk now. Is it nice out? I need to get some steps in today. Oh my gosh, it's so nice. But there's a train coming, so I think it's going to get a little noisy.
So I better go. See you again. See ya. Q actually. is trying to get To uh downtown, but there's no open highways anymore.
In this Godforsaken city of Milwaukee that uh He actually does have to walk.
So That's like the whole grand plan of these highways closing. was It's a drive to get Milwaukee fit. And we're in like a giant waste lo weight loss challenge 'cause there's not enough bus lines. You know, they don't like the hop, so they make you go on the bus and then they don't fund the bus.
So there's not enough bus lines.
So you can't take public transportation. Obviously, there's no sort of rail system, god forbid. Um The roads are all closed, so you can't use your car.
So it's just a walk. It's it's mil walk-y. They want you to Walk. Looks like we've got the lions heading to overtime. Uh on a short week.
So that's good. The Bears, I do believe, did get the victory over the Steelers. Giants, they had a fourth and goal, is it? And then they went for it. And gave up the football Chiefs.
Tied the game.
So either way, the Bears. will still be the uh NFC North leaders. After this one, Travis says great calls. On the defense, bad offensive play calls. Um let's see.
Are the Bears the worst? Three in team ever? Oh. I said laughs. I'm sorry.
He said he said West Allis, did he? And I was thinking Tosa? What did I get wrong there? I'm sorry. My bad.
I really was thrown off. I thought I saw him outside of Lambo. I swear. I swear I saw a Big G.
So he must have walked by one of these liquor stores that has it up there. Um I swear. Gallon Norris, Bart Winkler show. I totally agree. It's great that we won, but LaFleur still called two.
Conservative a game, and that's going to get us in trouble this season. Time to let Jordan Love open it up and start developing these receivers' relationship with him. The two-score game field goal is a LaFleur classic. I agree. Um Yeah, good.
All right. So we're monitoring the Lions here, and it looks like the Bears got. A win. The Chiefs game is interesting. Shadur Sanders.
Just started. And now he's coming off the field. For a Wildcat play Great. Yeah, all right. We are brought to you by Happy Place Hemp.
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There goes Gibbs. And what is that, an 80-yard run?
Well. Is anyone playing against Jameer Gibbs and JSN today in fantasy? Uh I am. I am. I'm actually down right now.
In a league to Paul Imig. I'm in a league with Paul, a keeper league. Where JSN had 37.1 points. And Jameer Gibbs now on 219 yards, two touchdowns, and a receiving touchdown with 11 catches for 45 yards has 55.4.
So I do uh All right, so let's just assume that the Lions are going to win this game. We'll keep an eye on it. Are the Giants, and if we score a touchdown goal for two situation, being in Detroit? I would almost think so.
So there they are again. See, and this is another thing with LaFleur. Maybe I'm just flat out wrong. Flat out wrong. Remember when he played for the tie?
He played for the tie against Dallas. They tied. Didn't play for the win, but didn't lose. Sean McVay, that next Thursday night against the 49ers, played for the win. They lost.
The Giants on a fourth and three played for the win. They might lose. Perhaps I am wrong. About Matt LaFleur. I have the Comfort.
An ability. and wherewithal. To say it. I I can understand. Um I can understand.
If I'm open, I'm open to being wrong on everything I've ever believed. And that is what makes me. Smart. Yeah, if they would have kicked the field goal. Who who even knows?
Who even knows?
So I think the uh the Green Bay Packers Gotta win. I'm gonna finish and see what this Lions game is. I'm not gonna finish here. I'll be here for a little bit. The Who's Down and Who Newville were making their list, but some didn't know.
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Okay, they have a pretty good shot. of making the playoffs. I'm going to pull up the simulator. that the athletic I've been referencing this a lot. In the um on the show.
And I'm going to pull up, I'm going to share my screen. And uh and pull this up here. To see how they may look. Come Playoff time. Hot take Jake is joining us.
You go to the game. I did not know. Are you in a village that's not the part of the village I'm thinking of? No, but on the record, I would not ever want to live somewhere that refers to itself as a village. I just I feel like the No, it's pretty baller.
I'm in the village of Shood. Yeah, I don't know, they just don't seem like my kind of people. Villagers.
Okay. Here, let me just look at this real quick. Austin's also joining.
So, this is the Packers. They have an 81% chance to make the playoffs right now. If they lose Thursday. and went out They have an above 99% chance. If they lose to the Bears, that's the only loss.
Basically, as long as they. Only lose one game. They are in the playoffs, essentially. is how the math is going to work. If you lose two games.
It depends who it's against, but if you lose two games. They still might be fine. Yeah, Packers, I thought the playoff chances might be a little more risky. Um but they seem to be okay. All right.
Well good.
Well, what's up with you guys, Jake? What's up with you?
Well, um You're kind of right. Like, you can be happy with the win. Like, I'm very happy that. The Packers won, despite Matt LaFleur continuing to be like a conservative pussy. And if it was anybody except J.J.
McCarthy, I don't think you're cruising to that easy victory today. No, McCarthy was terrible. If it's, and that bothers me because if McCarthy.
So anybody like, I hope that people that criticize, like.
Okay. I got all these different pockets of criticism here. Anyone who's ever criticized Micah Parsons is an idiot, complete idiot. Anyone who's criticizing Matt LaFleur. It's Not an idiot, actually brilliant.
And then anyone who's criticizing um Jordan Love. Just like Yes, he's not Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I mean, he hasn't won an MVP. He hasn't. You could have drafted a quarterback.
Moved on from your quarterback. That was Aaron Rodgers. I mean, the Vikings moved on from Sam Darnold, who's okay. And then they went to J.J. McCarthy.
And right now, it is going terrible. And this game was. I can't even think of a Jordan Love game that was close, as close to this bad. I don't like, so stop acting. Like we're in their fate when we're in a much better fate.
I hope that seeing this. Gives them that perspective. I don't think it will, but I hope it does.
Well, Jordan Love has two things working against him in Green Bay Packers nation or fan nation. Uh number one. Is that he's not Aaron Rodgers and he's not Brett Favre, and I don't think he's that level of a player. I think he can be. Very, very, very good player to great player, but not all-time great.
And the second thing I'm not going to get into. But uh yeah.
Well, what's the second thing? Yeah, I'd rather just not talk about it because it's like it's something that I pretty much know in my head why there's so much criticism of them. But, like, I can't, you know, I don't have the empirical evidence to prove it. I think we all know that. You know what?
I'll say this. He's not, uh oh. He's not uh Just don't. Just don't. You're fine.
We got it. We got it. We got it. We all get it. We got it.
What's up with you, Austin?
Well All right, so Um Emmanuel was running the ball so good today. And that's I don't know why Jacobs hasn't been running it that good. Um, but I mean, that was LeFleur's wet dream was to see that. And I think, I mean, he limited love today with that, but on the plays that love got to throw. I mean, you s you saw how good I mean love is a He's a good quarterback.
And when you ask him to throw, he can do it.
So I know he missed like a few. But And then that one that was load of Musgrave, that he dropped it, and then Musgrave was like pretty much out of the game. Do they believe in Musgrave at all in that organization? Does any do you? I don't.
Should they? Yeah, that's not.
So What the hell is he doing?
So that's what I was looking at: okay, so Musgrave dropped one ball, and they were like, eh.
So what What good is he to the organ? I don't know. I don't know. I was just watching the game with like. I didn't want to be negative.
For the game, so I was watching it. They played a great game. Um it was just all I don't know, it just It was vanilla. It was. And maybe that's fine.
And maybe, look, maybe that is fine. But what I'm saying in that regard Is I do not give the benefit of the doubt. It's not been earned. Was that they're playing vanilla on purpose? Or was that the same that they played against Carolina?
Because you played vanilla against Carolina and you lost a fucking game. And you only And you only scored like 10 fucking points. Yeah. Stupid. You gotta, when you there are those plays, those throws to Watson, like.
He can run different routes other than just streak, like you have. A versatile wide receiver right there. You have Wicks who can make catches. I don't make catches. It kind of sucks that Musgrave sucks.
But you've got other guys you can throw the football to. You have Emmanuel Wilson who can run. I don't know anything about Brooks, so with all due. I'm not going to crap on him. But Like you can run the ball, you can pass the ball.
It just seems so one-sided watching it. Like it's. It was a great win. It's nice. Beat the Vikings.
Fantastic. But it's a dud of a game. Let's play. Ben L is here. Are you working?
Go Pat, go. Everybody's outside today. Got my uh Hirod Taylor Jersey from the Bill Zon. What is with the jerseys lately? What?
Tyrone Wheatley from Carlos the other day. No, that was. I don't think that was Wheatley, but. Oh, no, he had Jason Seahorn's jersey on, which is apropos because that's. People would love Jason Seahorn in Green Bay.
And you know, he's he's a Packers type, you know. I like the way he plays. I like the way that he plays the game. He's got respect. Yeah, I got an idea there.
Hey, what if we converted Seahorn to a wide receiver there? Would that put 20 pounds on him? He could be. Whatever happened to that Janice guy? I really liked him.
I thought he'd p he'd be as he was sneaky athletic. What do you what do you what what's up, Ben? Yeah. Hey, it's hard. I got company, but uh Bad win.
started to have PTSD from the Carolina game in the beginning. Because they were running the ball and we were running the ball. when we need to throw the ball but Huh? All right, thanks guys. Peace out.
In and out. See ya. Can I ask you guys a question? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When I bitch about Matt LaFleur.
Are people I think I know the answer, but are people defending Matt LaFleur or? Mm-hmm. Are they tired of me? Mm-hmm. Well, Jake's got Matt LaFleur Coach of the Year set up, so he can start with this one.
Yeah, I say that in, you may not realize, but a little bit in jest there. But I absolutely think that you know, as some as somebody who's always right. You don't really get Much benefit from being right before everybody else. In fact, it's kind of a curse because, like, even when it turns out that you are right. It's like Well screw you, you were a dick about it, so I still don't like you, you know?
I I think a little bit of that happens.
Well, and I'll say, Bart, people probably are annoyed about hearing you. bitch about Matt LaFleur. Yeah, maybe. But you are right about it. I have been saying it since 2019.
So. I remember the first time I joined your podcast. Sitting outside of Z's sports pub and eatery, which is no longer around. I joined on my fucking phone with my dad and he was like I don't want to be on this. And I was like, Matt LaFleur sucks.
And Sam Schmitz was on the show at the same time, and he was like, hell yeah.
So that was six years ago I've been against this guy. I didn't like McCarthy either, to be fair, so I don't know. Wait, what about the Tim Shea take? Gruden.
Well, the floor's turning or uh Fickles turned around and there's no spot for him anymore. Hold on. John's mentioning Packers and Bears play in two weeks. John's been messaging. I mean, so John's been messaging about the Bears for months.
He comments all the time. He also comments on every single YouTube video of your video. Yeah, December 7th is coming up. John, there's more to the season than Packers playing the Bears. You can't possibly be this guy.
And Green Bay is just going to absolutely mollywomp Chicago anyway.
So, what is he really looking forward to? Like, the Bears are clearly not a good football team. They have the horseshoe up their ass. They haven't beaten a team that is over 500. Yeah, I guess Pittsburgh, they were.
Well, Pittsburgh was. But now Rogers, though, Mason Rudolph, who played like absolute dog shit. Did you watch that? Mason Rudolph took them down to the wire, and he wants to come in pumping his chest.
Okay, buddy. Yeah, Steelers. No, Steelers right now are six and five. Six and five. Yep.
Yeah. And that was an Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers last game. That was a Mason Rudolph game, and it went. 28 to 31 was at the end of it. That's brutal.
They no, they're not. I mean, the Bears might be good. I mean, I think I was very anti-Caleb Williams. I think Caleb Williams sucks, but he's actually kind of playing pretty decent.
So. Even if it's against bad competition, I mean. He actually does look competent, so I was wrong on that. I think. I think Caleb's good.
I still think Caleb's good. Yeah, we all saw Justin Fields had a nice stretch for a little bit, too.
So I'm not ready to go that far.
Well, but the Bears. I I get it. I I will say though that like They're eight and three. They've won. Eight of their last nine.
They wouldn't have done this before.
So I know that. you know, their schedule and whatever and no Rogers. But they would not have been 8-3. Like last year, they're not 8-3. The year before that with fields are not eight and three.
So they are they are learning how to win games. And that's their main important thing right now. I talked to Bears fans, you know, on the show and they're like, Well, how do we feel? And some are pretty cocky, but whatever. But just enjoy it and see what happens for now because.
If they do win the north, like they are ahead of schedule. I think even getting to the playoffs might be. I had a schedule, but I I give them credit. They're winning. They won more times than we did.
Yeah, well. LaFleur playing for a tie, you know. But like I said earlier, that The Giants played to win today. They lost. The Rams played to win.
They lost to San Fran.
Okay. I can bitch about Lafleur all I want, but He's seven. What is he? Seven, three, and one, and I'm not.
Well, okay, the Giants played to win today, but they stupidly played to win like... You're taking a, or you go for it on fourth and goal. You're up three with about three minutes left. How on earth are you thinking that that's the right call when they're at like the six-yard line? I think, like.
It's not like you're at the one, like, oh, we could tush, push this thing in and seal this thing. Like, no, you take the three and make them score a touchdown on you.
So, like, there's nuance there. You can't be an idiot when you're trying to play to win. Um, you know, Dan Campbell, like, famously, has skirted by on like constantly always playing to win, and then lo and behold, in the playoffs, it ends up coming up to bite him. But the Giants are a trash organization, so you'd expect nothing less. Yeah, that's fair.
Yeah, makes makes sense to me.
Well, speaking of tush push shit. How about Hawkinson trying to do one? But then That was a LaFleur call right away. Let's run it with the tight end. Like, that was totally a Matt LaFleur call.
Yeah, and they didn't even push him. I mean, that was just, I mean, that was beautiful.
Okay. All right. Let's get back on the Packers.
Sorry for hijacking your show there, Barbara. Before we get back on the Packers. Since nobody is really even like. Acknowledging that the Bucks are playing a season, can I just ask quickly if they should tank? No.
Why not? Should they play for the eighth seed, Bart?
Well, it's an interesting year to talk about a tank. Yeah. the bucks will either have their loop on this he's got a hood on The Bucs will either have their first round pick. or new orleans because new orleans Traded their first rounder, the better of ours or theirs, to Atlanta.
So, Atlanta is going to get to pick between our pick and New Orleans. New Orleans is currently the worst team in the NBA.
So, let's say there's a theoretical situation where, like, if the Bucs end up in the lottery and get a top four pick. and New Orleans gets like the first or second pick. At worst, we're getting a top five pick.
So, like, it's an interesting year where you would normally be like, well, no, you don't have your pick. You wouldn't tank, but. This year is like, huh, I don't know. Got the wheels turned. Jake, you think after they rigged the pick last year, do you think that the Bucs are going to get a fair shake at any of that in the lottery?
Hmm, this is true. I mean, maybe if it's like, hey, you know, maybe your odds go up if you trade Giannis, you know. I don't know. I just like having another superstar in here, and then they can trade him out in 10 years.
Well, I just I I had to get that out because I haven't spoken to a human about the bucks. pretty much since opening night. 'Cause like I I feel like people just forget that they're in in Milwaukee still.
So I just I wanted to say something. No, I'm gonna try to fire up some uh post games again in the future. Why is that part? Why is that? Yeah.
Are you allowed to speak or no? I don't like where this is. I was pretty fired up today. When I saw those interceptions against J.J. McCarthy.
Yeah. I was laid off on my couch but I got up. And I was jumping and someone told me I need to let go. Oh my LaFleur. If LaFleur would have lost, he may have needed to update his resume.
Where the fuck is Tim Shea? He texted me last night at midnight. Oh, so he's hungover. Oh. What the fuck are we doing storming the field?
Oh, the Badgers? I said it ain't the 1980s, brother. Let these kids have fun. They had to be students during this season. Let them storm the field.
Let them storm the field. You go be a student during that season. Yeah, I'm a anti-storm the field guy in pretty much almost any scenario. I'm I'm pro. All right.
Well, I'm going to go delete every tweet I made today because everyone's mad at me. Anything else for you boys? Yeah. Okay, I will do a show after the game on Thanksgiving. I'm planning on it.
I'll be there. I will tell my family, I'll be like, hey, with all two. Fuck the food? Fuck the alpha on the Winkler verse. Hashtag fuck the food.
Hashtag. It's Thanksgiving, so I'll only talk about things I'm thankful for. Yeah, when they worried about The four lions. Yeah, yeah, I'm a little worried about you, pal. Don't be worried.
I'm okay. All right. Just send me a text, all right? Yeah. Yeah.
Bye. Maybe that tailgate's back on. I don't know. I think it might be. All right.
I hate this. I think we might have time for a lot of tailgates. Maybe every fucking game. Oh boy. Who you go into the game with and are you tailgating?
My podcast buddies, every game. That's the answer. Yes, beautiful. Mm-hmm. Bye guys.
All right, hang in there, buddy. Love you. Packers win over the Vikings. That's all that matters. Thanks for stopping into the Winklerverse.
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