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Jeff Engelbert cannot clearly define. And what a woman is, but she's absolutely certain that I'm a man. I mean, how does that make sense? If the league is still working through these questions, how can its commissioner be so certain about my eligibility without explaining the standards that she's applying?
So that is Ennis Cantor truly befuddled on how he can try out for the WNBA simply because he's a man when you can't define what a man is. And a woman is Jennifer. Say still thinks about this all the time. You can't believe this is an issue. And Jennifer is an author, as you know, filmmaker.
About to have a documentary pop out soon. We're going to have more on that later. A business executive, and also she's the founder of X Tech X Y Athletics, and that's one of the shirts. If you see Jennifer these days, she's usually wearing that type of sweatshirt or that type of apparel. Jennifer, thanks so much for joining us.
Do you understand why why Anna's can't just confuse? Used. I do. the The letter he was sent by the commissioner says you can't play in the league because you're not a woman. They won't say what a woman is.
The league must not know that. In you know, the premise of this whole ideology is if you say you're a woman, you are. It's a feeling.
So how can they prove he's not a woman? How do we know what he feels? I would also add to that that in 21 states plus Washington D.C., you can change the marker on any identification with. Just by saying you're a woman, like he could go and change his driver's license right now. There's nothing they can do.
So at that point, what's the league going to do? Because he's saying he's a woman, which is what the whole movement is grounded in, and he'll have legal documents that say he's a woman.
So are they still going to say he can't play? It's ridiculous. He's pointing out the absurdity of the whole ideology. But here's the yeah, here's the crazy thing: they have no leadership at all. It's not even bad leadership; it's non-existent.
So the WNBA just makes a. Statement. They run for the hills. The NBA, even through the George Floyd things, they stood for the national anthem. They came out and all that stuff when the NFL was kneeling.
They stood. They knew was the rule.
Well, Brian, these same players are some of them that are refusing to stand now. Stood weeks ago when they played in the FIFA Championships. Angel Reese played for Team USA in the FIFA Championships and stood for the anthem.
So why would they do it then and not now? It doesn't even make any sense. They're not even consistent. They're total hypocrites. And yes, the Lee Rule is.
You must stand.
So they're not doing it, but obviously the league is not reinforcing that rule.
So there's yeah, there's no leadership. They don't run this thing like it's a business. They run it like it's a political action committee. You know, I mean they they have a golden goose and Caitlin Clark. They don't lead with her to market the brand and the business.
It's like they don't want to make money. They want to drive this thing in the ground. They don't welcome fans from different backgrounds. You know, we were I was just at a game. First off, I want to back up just so everybody knows, because you're not watching the WNBA finals.
They have walked out on every before the before the national anthem. They literally run off the court. And they, they, whoever it is, Alanais Maris said the other night. I think it was sang by herself. Nobody on the court.
It is the craziest anti-American move on year two fifty. By the way, just to underline it, you would think these people would feel so grateful. Professional athletes playing in front of a sold-out crowd in America, the number one league in the world. Tell me where these women can work and make the salaries they do. Villa Stadium, the Valkyries Stadium, Chase Arenas, eighteen thousand people.
I was there; it was packed. Where are these women going to get this opportunity? How are they not filled with gratitude for the opportunity to play a sport they love, get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions a year, to play a game? Let's be clear: it's a game. Like this is America, and yet they can't muster.
The tiniest bit of respect to just even stay on the court, and isn't it disrespectful of women? They walked out on Alanis Morissette. She's an iconic female singer. She's a feminist, as far as I know, and they're walking out on her.
So it's totally disrespectful, not just to the flag, but to the. Actual person performing, but the league has no leadership, and they're not running this thing like a business, and they're not welcoming all fans. How many games have you been to? You always wear the X X X Y. They very recognizable.
You are a famous gymnast, and then you are now you are a famous business executive who's founded a brand new company.
So, how many games have you gone to, and what have you experienced? I've been to five one finals game. I'm going to another one this Saturday in Atlanta. I watch all the time. I do love it now.
I'm having so much fun watching. I'll watch it home by myself. I wear the shirt every time. I usually bring some friends. Every time, let's.
I mean, this last time in San Francisco was the worst experience I've had. You know that it was absolutely vile. Tell us what happened. Yeah, so here is what I will say.
So I was with three other women. We're we're four middle aged women. All we did was wear the shirt. That's it. And for the first half of the game, we were basically ignored, and we had fun with our seatmates.
People were talking to us on either side, but at around halftime, a woman. We were on the jumbotron. And so, a woman across the aisle saw us on the jumbotron, and that really made her angry.
So she stood up and started pointing at us, and called security over to have us removed for what? And I have no idea for wearing a shirt that really enraged her. They marched her out to talk to her quietly to find out what happened. She came back. Then they marched us out.
They did not tell us to change our shirt. They did not tell us to cover up. They just kind of reported what she'd said. But at that point, the entire audience was whipped up into a frenzy as we were walking up and out. People were wishing that we kill ourselves, telling us we're disgusting, using all sorts of expletives and.
It was so bad. Security said we're going to escort you out when the game is over because we're concerned about your safety. What? Why did they move you? Did they let you go back to your seat or no?
They just moved you out as if we. Oh, you did.
Okay. They. We went right back. We weren't kicked out. Contrary to some people, they let us stay.
They didn't tell us to take our shirts off. They didn't tell us to change our shirts. They just sort of checked the box of telling us what this woman with a mask and a beard had said. A mask and a beard. Yeah.
Nice. It's always good. As soon as I see the mask, I know we got problems. On the chip. Fantastic.
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So the mob is a crazy thing because they were we were fine for the entire first half of the game. What this woman did by pointing at us whipped. It's scary when the mob gets in a frenzy. You know. Do you worry about now walking the streets?
No, I mean maybe I'm naive, but I look, Brian. I do what I do. You know, I don't have full time security. I do get threats. Mostly, I kind of walk around unnoticed most of the time.
As I'm walking around, I live in Denver. People, if they say anything to me, will tell me they agree with me and they like my shirt. Only occasionally do I have a more kind of confrontational experience.
So I'm just going to live my life. I'm not going to. What am I going to do? This is what I am going to do. I am going to live my life.
If somebody wants to hurt me, I guess they're going to hurt me. Yeah, you can take care of yourself too. You are you are extremely fat. I am small though. Yeah, I am small though.
I am like five two, and but that's fine. I I don't. I think most of these people, the vast majority, they they. They just want to yell at you. They're not going to actually do anything.
No one's ever touched me. I would just love to see a a man who thinks he's a woman go into the WNBA and beat the hell out of all these guys, and then they'll realize Jennifer Say is 100 right, and they'll be wearing XXXY apparel. But you had a chance to interact with Sophie Cunningham, right? Who's making a courageous stand. What's happened like?
Yeah, we watch her. You've been watching the whole thing. I have been watching the whole thing. The whole thing started with the WNBA because Sophie made a statement all the way back in January or February to ESPN Magazine that little girls deserve fair competition and should not have to face boys in the locker room or on the court. That's all she said.
She was asked a question, she answered, and so a bunch of people show up at the games where she's playing to show her support because it can be pretty lonely to say this thing. We know, right?
So people just wanted to know she's supported. That's what has caused all of this. Curfuffle, if you will. I did have the chance to meet her very briefly at a game after a game in Minneapolis that I attended with Riley Gaines, where we were told we had to put our sign down. Riley had a sign that said "Thank you, Sophie." That was it.
They said it violated the rules. It did not violate the rules. The rules. She came out and said hi after. She was very nice and gracious.
I think the most notable thing is she stayed and talked to every little girl that waited in line to talk to her. I mean, she just seemed so nice and affable, and to really Love the game and to really love the fans, you know. Yeah, she's in it for the right reasons. And now people are saying one of these columnists said it's up for Indiana to cut her because she's such a distraction. She's an average player.
You don't need that distraction, and that's the thing. She's great, right? But for the WNBA, they say she's workmanlike. She comes off the bench, does her, you know, it's a double double type thing, and as a bodyguard for Caitlin Caitlin Clark, I got it. That takes so much more guts.
When you're a star, they don't. Want to? They don't want to miss your scoring and your playing, so they'll absorb a lot. When you're when you're a blue collar player, it's very easy to make a stand on them. That I even have more respect for that.
Yeah, I mean she's a sixth man, right? She's not a starter. She comes off the bench. She does her thing. She's got a high three point percentage.
Here's the thing I would say though: she puts people in seats. Like of all the games I've gone to, there are people. There are little girls that wear Caitlin Clark jerseys and wear Sophie Cunningham jerseys. I don't see any other jerseys.
So to me, that means whether she's you know a starter or not, she's bringing people into the games. The top fifteen or twenty. Games of the year in terms of viewership were Fever games. People watch the Fever because they like Caitlin and Sophie.
So, from a business perspective, I'd bring her back if she's putting people in seats. This is a business after all. But as I said earlier, they're not running this this thing like a business. I mean, why are the Warriors paying Steph Curry sixty three million dollars this year? Right, he's a 38 year old, six foot two.
I mean, his best days are behind him. I loved watching Steph back in the day, but the reason they pay him that much is he puts butts in seats. Yep. It's business. Yeah, no, no doubt about it.
So we look at the WA coming back, the the NWSL, the the men's, the women's soccer league. It's got great. It's got prominence. It's got promotion. They certainly have the players, and they're already, unlike the men, because you know they wouldn't play in a hundred years before the men be here in America.
We took it seriously, but the women have always been among the best. This league, yeah. Do you feel as though when you're marking, do you like the Way they're marketed? Do you like their product?
Well, I don't like the fact that they don't test for sex, and I don't like the fact that they don't even test for drugs. Is that true? Play in the they don't even do drug testing. I know this from actual former pro players. They're never tested for drugs, and I think there's some pretty good evidence that there are male players in the league already.
Really, Barbara Banda being one. There are three players. Who were banned from other leagues, other international leagues, because of testosterone levels that were way too high, and now they play in the U.S. in the NWSL.
So I think we need the same boundary drawn here in the NWSL. Possibly we need it even more than in the WNBA because the suspicion is that there are actual men playing. But let's just start with drug testing. Do we do that? I mean, they don't even.
The WNBA at least tests for drugs. They don't test for performance-enhancing drugs.
So I think the league has problems. It is growing. We have a new franchise here in Denver. I've been to a game there too. The Summit.
It was full.
So I think it's super cool. Look, lots of little girls are playing sports. My daughter plays soccer. She had a great time at the game. I love it.
But I just want fairness in the sport. All right, Jennifer, you don't have a gymnast. Your daughter's not a gymnast. She's a soccer player. I wouldn't let anyone near a gymnastics gym.
Not one of my kids. It's yeah. I like the team sports thing. It's cool. Teaches cool skills.
I hear you, Jennifer Say. Thanks so much. Thank you, Maran. Stop guessing what the daily headlines mean for your money. The Fox Business Rundown breaks it down every Monday and Friday.
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