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BREAKING: The Battle Over Electors in Congress and the Vice President’s Role

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January 6, 2021 12:00 pm

BREAKING: The Battle Over Electors in Congress and the Vice President’s Role.

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Today the battle over Presidential electors in Congress, and the vice President's unique rain will talk about that Jay Sekulow will live from Washington DC lines are open for your questions right now called 1-800-684-3110 one 800-6841, your host, secular right to what is going to be happening in Congress, just when we finished the broadcast day of your listing was live it 1 PM Eastern time. That is the certification of the electoral college votes, but also the objections that we expect to come could be as many as six could be as few as three. If I get will explain that process. It's it.

If it is three versus six.

What would that mean well the three that would be chosen would still be outcome determinative vote, very difficult would it explain all of this in the vice President's role to because that's being discussed a lot, but I think we first have to discuss George at the Democrats that lets you be honest they outworked layouts they they they out organized, they were more enthusiastic and they didn't buy into. I don't think was most Republicans because a lot of us showed up to vote was like blowouts but there were enough of those Republican voters who bought into that phony by votes.

I can account this is fraud I don't did no business to be voting and I think that was the difference because member I said yesterday, if we had over 950,000+ people voting same day. Republicans would likely both went 1.2 million+ people voted same day that I believe we don't have the numbers yet. I'm sure Republicans carried that but take to win it, they needed to carry about 62 to 64% and they usually do. That means they didn't nap.

I think that's probably the only group of voting that actually carried with same-day voting which was the smallest amount of voting and then you had, of course, that the the absentee which favored the Democrats. Everyone knew that, but also the in person early voting usually splits about 50-50. I have a feeling it's more like 55 Democrat 45 Republican, maybe a little bit tighter than that, but not 50-50. And I think that Republicans did win the same-day voting.

So in effect they got to that and that magic number but they didn't get to the percent of the number because the Democrats came out in and you saw that in specially in the warlock law.

Flores already a pretty big victory. I mean that a victory that again it is you really can't question me and I've not seen a single report of anything wrong. There is a couple of playset open late. That happens and loving to Candice and somehow the machines can count 18,000 people to look into that.

But some but they have paper ballots there to check as a backup so to get 18,000 when James offers race that Purdue and N stuff has not been called there are still 17,000 international ballots out a lot of those military ballots.

That doesn't mean they're all good to come back they have to ride by Friday and others were they requested they would usually favor Republicans sued favor Purdue. But what would be enough to overcome that the ethics of his doubts is it 16,060 sixteenths out so that alone probably not enough and Eddie get his campaign is to go through all the legal options right now. The right on the line of a they can request a recount and it's close is not is right. It's it right .5 or less.

It's is .5 or less and's was hanging around there that will probably depend on what happens Friday, but I think you have to assume right now it's fairly soon to get into battle mode that the U.S. Senate is changing hands But as I was what you would assume they get ready for the worst possible scenario in the worst possible scenario likely occurred last night. It might not by just a few days to finalize with the absentee ballot with but again we want to get what Congress is doing this very important becomes who is present.

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Today, the President, speaking outside of the of the ellipse, the White House and a lot of trump supporters in Washington DC things are heated now or come switching. We talk to Georgia I think we can get into more analysis there. Later on, but what about today because today is once could be another long day. This process of certifying the electoral vote, which usually gets no attention didn't even attention when it was Donald Trump that it was the Joe Biden was in the chair having certified because the Democrats had said at the time you notice of that was a blip on that the news it was done, but today it's very different yet the President just said something I think we should try to get it on audio. If we can about the vice President not picking which electors which we talked about yesterday right, but rather this idea that if enough questions are raised which there will be can the can. The can that vice President serving as the presiding officer refer can't make a decision which electors are to be recognized but can you send it back to those various states that say three states or whatever the number is and say we want to certify what I pictured Amanda certification and they may not change anything.

It probably would not. So I know you looked at it now. There's been other lawyers in the argument is this, that in many of the states in Pennsylvania. By the way there. There had other state Senate wrote asking vice President. To do this, not to take away their electoral votes, but to let the legislature look at certification again because of what's come to light. So what happens is in the Constitution, it's clear article to is the state legislature's role to choose how electors are seated and how it's done. It's it's totally that they choose the manner and so it says there is no mention of the governor or the executive of the states in article 2, but yet in US code. It allows the which is not which is that suing of the Constitution supersedes US code.

There's never been issued. Sometimes they don't conflict because of the issues never mattered but the US code allows the governor to certify that out. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say the governor has anything to do with electors of the executive branch has anything to do with electors so these states, that may be challenged. What would what they be asking them to do what the vice President would be doing is exactly what some of the Senators are asking for them to do as well, which is not to not to, that it's it's to take a look and decide you really want to certify this these electors. After these issues have been raised. You had a chance to do this earlier, you didn't. I'm giving you one more chance now that because Pennsylvania raises they still had cases in court. They sconce and there governor.

Kind of like site is the one guess in the governor decided to certify so there is a real legal argument. There is the vice President take away anybody's vote no and he tell them they have to do different electors know those states in one hour reconvene and recertify yes and in the same election outcome, but it is an opportunity to kind of do what the Senate and House members would like to do, but are not to have enough votes select walk-through at the house and's and the Senate is likely to be likely to see this in a long day today so you get what I think you're going to see about the third depending on which states are picked for the objection. You'll see a challenge to the exhibits. Arizona is picking Arizona's one it's been discussed and will be an objection raised in the house and the BA one in the Senate, South Central, print and repeat that objection so you have the objection joint now. At that point they've done a couple states where they've accepted ballots or ballots have been taken and you've looked at this thoroughly. What happens at the point where the objection is joint to the chamber. They go back to their chambers. That is correct. Congress withdraws and votes separately not for each objection for each state that receives objections so when you read the electoral act account act together with the other statutes that are relevant arrive. All objections against the states vote must be made and recognized at the same time and then separate debates and votes must be held regarding the electors of that state under title III United's code section 17 Congress may not count any other states electors until that states electors issues have been resolved.

I will go back into the house will go back into its chamber were there already at the Senate will go back to the Senate and they will debate it, and to obtain a successful resolution of the challenge others for the challenge to be sustained, the numbers for the challenge to reach the number that would constitute where the those electors would be challenge and not accepting. You have to have a majority of the house in a majority of the Senate.

This is on the first normal process. It is highly unlikely I would say impossible at this point to envision where you're going to have enough members of the Democratic-controlled House West and the United States Senate were many members of already said no to this that there'd been there and be able to meet that kind of challenges Republican member-yeah that your Republican Party is not united at all.

I think the debate is limited and to two hours.

As I read it correctly on each state each of your three states agree to this accident maximum of 1212 hrs. exactly that optical light. We know that anybody can talk. Even if you object if you if you had no position you can get your your two minutes. If you have position against her for summing you get 100 US senators, governor 35 of the house things interesting. Whenever VP Biden was a sitting vice President and this was happening. There were objections, of course, four years ago to Donald Trump selection and vice President. Biden then overruled the objections as the sitting vice President said were in uncharted waters. Normally this is a ceremonial role by the vice President. He simply there to have the ballots opened in alphabetical order to ask if there are any objections, and to preserve order, but today we may break some of that tradition.

Yeah, I do not see a scenario where those objections will be sustained just politically speaking numbers at the house is controlled by the Democrats. They are not going to write that they not going there. I think what's good is it will have the debate before the vice President has to make any kind decisions about that, and the American people be able to watch that debate at this this afternoon and evening about why the Senators and House members have decided that to make these objections and it's not in court is up to. Based off the what they have learned in this the law and set about fraud.

It's not about voting machines. It's about just courts changing election rules instead of State legislatures, which again constitutional issues. It's a ballots you changing rules of the game. It's about changing how you do signature verification and what is an absentee ballot versus what is a mail-in ballot and what if you didn't request absentee ballot, but you sit back in, even of the state law requires you to request it first week.

These academicians are to be raised again by US senators, at least it was about 13 of them have joined this group doubt it doesn't mean that all 13 will object to each one write which it might just get one house member one sender one house number one center. What has represent her and started once prescribed to start at 1 o'clock Eastern time today. Yet in the first state that would be likely as heirs of now, the President just spoke and this is very interesting about him. In my view, and rather than the approach that was being advocated by some yesterday, which was this that, but that the vice President goods could reject the Solanum of electors and basically select another slight pick alternate slights which I made my point on I guess that which is just simply with the Constitution says in the Constitution doesn't provide for that. This is what the President said today.

Take a listen number 20 states want to read this.

States got defrauded they were given false information. They voted on it.

Now they want to recertify.

They wanted back all vice President defense has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become President and you are the happiest. This is a different approach to this approach is one we were just talking about earlier and that we can get into the next segment, which is can the presiding officer, which happens to be the vice President United States.

Can the presiding officer rather than ruling on objections which doesn't have the authority to do.

Can he say to the states. I need a certification cook contest. I got a letter from the President of the Senate in Pennsylvania saying don't accept the certification. We think it was improper and that was from the Senate leader was controlled by the Republicans there can he then say to these three states or six states whenever the number is go back and I'm not picking your slight noise present will not be picking the slight McKinney state recertified this now will get into the legal questions whether he can do that or can't do that will be arguments on both sides, but that's very different. I want to be clear, that's very different than saying I'm going to. It's the presiding officer select who the slights can be remember this when I was before the United States Senate for weeks, and the Chief Justice of the United States was there as the presiding officer met some of you will remember this but I certainly do. How many times that I say with no disrespect to the Chief Justice. He is sitting here not as the Chief Justice of the United States to rule. He is sitting as the presiding officer for order that's really what the role of the vice President is in this kind of situation. Yeah, there is that there's a limited time before the Chief Justice could make decisions on questions whether the appropriate and that this issue asking this question back to the states not telling him what to do, is saying you answer to give only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice.

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They open up the envelope. One by one. One by one, in alphabetical order of the states right and they read out the votes when you get to a state and it is a game he says again because alphabetical states that were we expect to see objections in the first would be Arizona then likely Georgia.

Possibly you deftly Pennsylvania and then it may could be those three. You could also see Wisconsin, Michigan, or Nevada. She could see up to six think it's more likely on the 3 to 4 number because he gets to a point where one is a strategic move. What state let you draw state legislatures. By the way the Republicans control, but which ones are like Pennsylvanians who said please do this force we we want the chance to go and look at this again so you know thereafter look for this to be done yet. Looks like Sen. Cruz is going to object to Arizona Sen. Holly is an objective, Pennsylvania, and Sen. Loeffler is going to reject object to Georgia. Now the.

The fact is, as you just said Jordan. It's very detailed and he within the statute as to exactly the manner in which this goes down, and what happens to me that at the envelopes are handled on the envelope was opened, how it proceeds. I think it's important that people understand this is already laid out statutorily it's laid out very clearly so there's not a lot of wiggle room on the procedure being handled well know, and I'm holding a pair for those of you nonanswer conceded title III, United States code, section 17, section 15 goes into great detail as to how this happens. Having read the same in the presence of the hearing. The houses that is having read the results from the states. The electors beginning with the state.

It even says beginning with the state. A little giddy with the letter a in the tellers read them in the presence of the hearing, the votes having been ascertained and counted. The result is announced and then the declaration is made, unless there is an objection upon the such reading of any such certificate or paper that means from the state with the certified electors of the state, the President of the Senate, who is the vice President United States shall call for objections if any.

So that's his act. That's what he supposed to do and that's his role when all objections so made to any voter paper from a state have been received and read the Senate shall thereupon withdraw and the objections shall be submitted to the Senate and to the house for their decisions and then those decisions will be made and announced and you go on the and continue the roll call. Here's what's interesting in West brought it up. VP Biden when he was in this role did just upset except the objections and let them go debate which is how that reads right there is no like judgment by the church. It does not say say, but he did his United. Yes, you can deny it. Can you not accept it and can you excel did he deny it or did he say or did he say enough. This is a lost cause.

What he saying that I don't know the exact words that the report from that time that he overruled the objection. I remember what come on, it's over with Betsy. I watched it. He said come on, it's over with.

You get the exact member team look about 930. There is this space there where again this part of it where it's all laid out very uniformly. I don't think the role of the vice President adjudication that is different than the role of the vice President's presiding officer when he gets a listen question.

I got a letter here from the Pennsylvania head of the legislature saying don't do this, I got a constitutional obligation and oath as well to send it back to them if they certified. That's it again.

You know right and does he have that authority. Think arguments can be made that he does the be arguments against that position. I'm not can I get into which argument prevails. I would say that would be a legitimate constitutional exercise brings up a cut the constitutional provision and aesthetic statutory provision that are kind of incompetence complicated and and it does not just everybody needs to clear this it does not ever come to the point where the vice President is selecting the elector in this scenario that were in it, just that's it's China people really upset with me when I said that is tremendous.

Given the facts, the vice President could I do.

I think probably the argument is strong enough that he could go back. By the way that recertification could literally be his door and said 15 minutes he could say yes that's obsolete the electors were seated are the ones that should be back to how they want to reconvene by the House and Senate. So this could happen very quickly but the body is the main argument that he doesn't have that authority.

Also be clear yet lifting people and and II would not be shocked to see the Democratic National Committee move in federal court immediately to obtain an object, an injunction will absolutely if there if the vice President would exercise that course would you arguably and have a good argument to have the say you have a good argument for the present vice President United States exercising that authority under the Constitution is in arguing to be made, but I think there would be a move to enjoin him from doing that. Almost instantaneously, the court would take jurisdiction down the coat, courts have stayed away assiduously from getting involved in these matters. Up to this point will be breaking news Merrick Garland has been selected as the Atty. Gen. of the United States, assuming Joe Biden becomes the present Merrick Garland was the chief judge of the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia was known as a moderate more of a centrist of this is not about the left side of the party that night is a right yeah it is surprise I figured the reason Biden waited letter to George election was over is because he was going to pick someone very left wing to Leslie Stacy Abrams yes you kinda went in the opposite direction of that yes he picked that Ed therefore judge he was nominated to be as free court justice by Pres. Obama and Mitchell, blocked Republicans within their right block that because election year. They subverted the word, the party in charge like we talked about with the Barry when you're the party in charge and separate from the present. You can do that but top up Merrick but the reason why Prince Obama nominated him and thought he had a chance. Was it because he was, not as far to the left is the normal nominee that Pres. Obama would've made and thought maybe he's got a chance because he's more mainstream and not seen this as a liberal activist that beat. That being said, it's different roles AG is very different than being a judge, and that it's interesting it's not the Eric Holder type that somebody's been like a confidant.

It's not like a Sally Yates and II believe this was made because Hunter Biden is under serious investigation as I'm in that's data that me saying I think he is, we know is and Joe Biden wanted to nominate somebody that he could at least arguably say listen, I had no control over this guy. He's not to give my son a pass and I returned 90s everybody if their father, but I think he realized that that would haunt his presence if he put enough Holder type just dismissed everything them. So there you go mess a bit of a surprise. Actually, that that that was back, but he was big with Beverly being considered. That's the first non-Obama cabinet level while Bobby was on Obama no he was not Obama pointing to the clinic point, phased in around eighth and around Washington for a long time. I wouldn't take a break we come back yet more more into what this other move made never like this that you think he's headed out for public it's been locked to become a US report just I think what they're going to do here is my view they got on the phone, they can have a look as AG. Look for looking and not nothing happened.

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I think Georgia for you. Listen to it. It's clear that Warnock is one that that special election, he will be up for reelection to get into years, so he does not get a normal six year Senate term and it looks like a jet. John Assad has a lead that is very tough to overcome, but not impossible. So it hasn't been EEA he's been projected is a winner by some and I was on Newsmax when they projected him but it's not finalized and and that's because of outstanding mostly foreign ballots that have a little extra time rely for military bells to come in, but that is by Friday and that Georgia Sec. states it is only 17,000 were requested date have to get all break through to Army. It's is most not all of them will be returned by Friday.

Not all of them will be further for deferred at Purdue.

So I get his campaign will go through. See they put out all legal options.

They think that there there might be.

They might be within the margin to have a to request a recount.

There may be an option for paid recount so they're not conceding anything yet and know what is calling that yet. Some of projected soft interesting to see the difference in those two votes are not so much abundance. Republicans and Democrats who broke much more heavily in favor of Warnock and I guess some of them just didn't vote for deferred Assad for Purdue and that's what that's what appears look. I think the Georgia race is done yet Georgia is a blue state.

As I signaled a purple standing that's marriage still very close Democrats is Needed to have around. I think the Georgia Republican Party has to do a lot of going west in any on this quickly in the west first needs to do a lot of soul-searching, a new departing candidates yet. They really do. They have some weak candidates in the last few years things interesting about Georgia and my family's been Georgia for eight generations. I have a residence there is change culturally and politically. So much recently. If you look at what happened both in the Presidential election in the senatorial election.

There are hundred 59 counties in the state of Georgia, nine counties, all in the metro Atlanta area controlled 56% of all registered voters in the state are in those nine counties in Atlanta is a Democratic stronghold is your residence among those counties. It is not is not anti-mine is Simon. The fact is that for most people. If made it through the great population bases are Atlanta be taken Atlanta Macon and Savannah in Columbus Columbia basically that that's probably there just was not enough vote in South Georgia in the more conservative states when you get outside it were North Georgia and that was two or 3% less.

They got this time, even though they still want by big margin was enough to not do anything for the purple statement finding a light yellow.

I think what happened was there was voter suppression by conservatives because they said just think about that for me because they said by your vo-tech accounts are going to show up at Loeffler Purdue are good enough for trouble there.

Try to win control U.S. Senate.

You know how much could they do. They were having to figure out how to do runoffs in an and and they were. A President who did worse the name of the state, but they both outperform present trump. The first time around. So I but what I would say is that I don't play I was innocent enough if Democrats one really big. I said this was get a positive blame Republicans Georgia for all acting like babies and he was a smaller percent but it was enough of a percent where there were enough people who came out and vote on election day yesterday way more than enough Republicans to win. In fact, people symptoms over million Republicans deftly want because they don't because they'll get 60+ percent of that. That means Republicans got less than 60% of that I think is probably more like 5857 so they want the same day.

Voting they lost all the others and and same day was the least I was the smallest amount so again how much of that my vote doesn't count. But when you're 16,000 votes erase everything doesn't take many people around the whole state that large to feel that way not show up and and shame on those people who put those messages out a thank you again for those we support the work of the ACL during the month of December waited the biggest month of all time. Your support made a gigantic difference at the smallest on camera and everybody behind the scenes in the wars around the globe. Thank you, Rebecca Moran system of challenges facing Americans are substantial time and are now free to insert constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stay with the American Center for Law and Justice for decades ACLJ has been on the frontlines protecting your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena and we have an exceptional track record of success. Here's the bottom line we could not do our work without your support, we remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms event remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member. Thank you.

You're not well this is the perfect time to stand with us ACLJ God where you can learn more about her life changing become a member today ACLJ only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice as tech. Is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn is called mission life will show you how you are personally and publication includes a look at all major ACLJ pro-life cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activists. The ramifications of Roe V Wade, 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the abortion industry and what Obama care means to the pro-life in many ways your membership in the ACLJ is empowering the right to question your free copy of mission life today online ACLJ/Jay Sekulow like this Jordan secular. We are to get your phone calls. We will debris our special advisor for policy national security record now to comment on what what happened in Georgia but also to what's happening today in Congress, and Rick. I would've read out a tweet you snatched a couple hours ago you said the Democrats control the house. The Senate and the White House for the first two years of Barack Obama's presidency, they overreach, then in their party is even more left today. Rest stop and get ready to fight back.

And a lot of us have been up late and probably got very little sleep the last month and 1/2 and in your one of those people, Rick. But we have all been through that to your battle and when they go left like that. It usually turns out very bad for it, for Democrats control and have to remember that everything the morning when we wake yet is not a great day program, but the battle is not over, and I think that you have to take a long-term view of this, we we have to find a point. I think ACLJS is more important than ever.

This morning, and I would just encourage people to get involved to realize that we do have an option of fighting in the courts and we have to take out the next part of the rule of law that the democracy that we live in, and that we fight for and I think today in Washington is the same way. This is all legal is all laid out in the Constitution.

These are all options that we get to have. Now I'm giving you that they're unique and they're not often used by the Democrats used these certainly in the 2000 election you go back to Google. How many times the Democrats were objecting and by the way, it's scary when you look at those videos in 2000 because there's a whole bunch of congresspeople who are still there. 20 years later you write about that didn't look at it was after the Bush versus Gore decision when it went in for certification. The Congress the guy was Barbara boxer out of your home state of California that led the objection and in Britain the recent 2016 election let Joe Biden presided over there was a hole most of the objections made so that processes gonna play out. Now I personally am of the view that I don't think those objections are to carry because the numbers just aren't there.

So is not alkalis. I like to say is not outcome determine what I do think is outcome determinative is this. There is a realistic possibility that the United States Senate. I would say more than realistic possibility. It is probable. Let mama something happens with with their produce race that is can be controlled to be split 50-50 giving Kemal Harris, Harris will have the the gavel. If there's a time which will make her a very busy and also raise her stature as vice President.

Usually presenting the center is a kind of a mundane thing but she's the deciding vote. So Ricky said something just a moment ago that I think is really we got emphasize that is blocking in the courts now again and also, since it is 50-50 so that the majority you could fight back pretty aggressively on Capitol Hill to but you have to do. It's that it's a full armor, so to speak.

It's everything you have in your arsenal that you have to be able to utilize to to block some of these things I'm thinking about your area of expertise. One of your areas of expertise and that is the Middle East we were seeing an entire reshaping the Middle East under present from. I can imagine. I shudder to think what it's gonna look like in this next administration. The great point that I made that you bring up the fact that I think God is in control.

Also, that's the most important point. Actually, that on airplane about, Harris having a really important and busy role that I can't help but immediately think that that racism rises data that's exactly what Susan Rice wants which is to have, Harris busy over in the Senate with kind of the process.so that she can grab a whole. Of all of the policies that I mean she's been given this domestic policy, and she doesn't know anything about domestic policy.

This is just a a will in sheep's clothing. She is going to be in charge of foreign policy and domestic policy and everything. Remember, Joe Biden wanted her to be the VP and rumors are that Barack Obama said no you need somebody with more legislative experience and so I think, knows the Senate and and that better fit than Susan Rice but this is now unleashing Susan Rice to do what she wants in the Middle East to do it you want also to global affairs issues consensus with the UN is going to rain as part of the day and so we have to understand that they're trying to move the America first agenda to the backseat. It's not to be America persons can be the UN first, it's going to be your first and were just going to go along with what they say. So we have to fight and using every tool possibly also to look at some of the conservative Democrats and begin to make the case in West Virginia. Seven.

Speak why America first is important finding on all of these issues. I would say I agree with Ben Shapiro that you should all have Sen. maintains number in your speed dial because you have to all the public is in have to be calling his office and pushing him as much as possible really need every possible level you previously purchased Sen. Mitch is deafly the most modern member of the US and on the Democrat side and face the most pressure at home to kind of maintain this balance of kind of old school Democrat and he's been willing in the past, not me on some of the tougher votes. He doesn't usually do it but incidents, but sometimes does come through and when it's this close and he's not playing right now to run again for anything you have to expect. Maybe he wants that you kind of an elevated role to go out on and I think actually writing about is the target that the role Joe mansion is going to play is going to be as key as the role Kemal Harris is is right. She can't be the tie-breaking vote if he's not number 50. I think that's right.

Let's also remember that were railing enemy Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski met Romney were in NEDs votes and so I think going to Alaska going to Maine going to use and having grassroots activists really help us secure the right votes are going to be important. I know this is another controversial statement, but I think we got to play political reality in your your actually I think about would also resent the beginning that God is in control the Lord in the wake up in the morning say oh my goodness I'm surprised in Georgia. The two Democrats one so we shouldn't operate in that thing we have to do with the temporal facts we have to deal with but but God is in control of all the whole universe. So this is this is a factor that we delete deal with the evidence of this of the fallout of this but the one thing I was thinking and you just mentioned this Rick talk about like Mitt Romney, Susan Susan Collins Lisa Murkowski at Maggie's offenders I work with during the impeachment proceedings, a member of all of the Senators, obviously, but I was thinking about that and there's this kind of you know among some within the Republican Party. There's this kind of distaste for what they're doing what they're saying but those three votes all of a sudden become really important that I think they are very important and we have to remember that all three of them are Republicans and we have to just make the case, you know, I know politics is not an altar listing support. It's filled with all sorts of calculation and part of the calculation is going to be on the people of those states and so I think a grassroots effort. If you're living in Alaska after living in Maine. If you're living in Utah you are you are an important voice now and you know you need to be a more active part of ACLJ, we need your help to bring these arguments to the forefront and especially in the court system. I think the sibling Susan Collins. She was in a very tough reelection battle and Republicans came to her aid, not because they always agree with her on everything, but because we did with it was the tough issues sheet she did the right thing usually and in and she might've complained little she might've taken a different tack on some issues, but on that on the again like you said, which is a Republican. She was reelected because she was able to fund raise from outside the state Allstate outside arose ACLJ.

I never thought I would send this donation to Susan Collins and feeling, not because I agree with everything, a position she has. I'd I don't but it's key. I knew that if she was gone. Maine was gone and we would probably have a very difficult time of getting a Republican back there that Rob is not a lost cause on everything.

I think he had a distaste for the current President. He wanted to be present and you know he's in the Senate but we've all worked for him. Bricks were left Rick work for my work for my know it's it's again. You don't just give up on on on these people on core principles of the of the party and that same goes for Lisa Murkowski Shelley Moore, Dell and others can Rick say during the break we keep him on during the break.

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At least I've got that I'm good to acknowledge from members and and if you see six of these you're talking about a 12 hours now. You don't always have to go the full two hours but but again this we could go easily into the evening and then it brings up the vice Presidents role. I think we talked about all that enough to now take your questions and they were to see what happens. That receipt if the objections are made like they said they would make and where the debates go and how many are major thing and then VP will he take any kind of action because we know the votes are not there in the house to do this or the Senate so we would that to get any kind of relook by the states would take the vice President doing some that hasn't been done before. Let's go to the folds of the court order people but hold on the scrivener: Rhode Island online want to call welcome to Jay Sekulow life. I want to go back just the fact that many think of our fathers debated, June, July, August, September, exactly, are they wanted to put into our United States catheterization. Now this. Thank I have that right now. And just like yourself. There and get about show business Device and if they go back go back to like what really matter what dad you can say what what is supposed to happen whenever bike and I think about us or whatever so quickly? Thank you, because I'm like Okay is your question I my I want to talk the call but you gotta give me a question okay what we've got article to write one class to date. He could be decided by the legislature right before airplane and the constitutional process in place inside that same document document United States Constitution on how it's handled that there is if there is concern over electors. And that's where the Senate and the house can raise objections and that is going to happen. The problem here is further for those that are advocating that the objection be made is that there is not to be enough votes to carry it so. The other option that some have discussed, which does not make any constitutional sense is what this the vice President just rules that these legislative electors are not appropriate or not can be counted by what you think you should want to go back in history.

Let me go back in history for years. Joe Biden was the presiding officer of the United States Senate and House when they were in joint session from electoral college submission and tally with you. What is that you know what I don't like Hillary Clinton got 5 million more votes than the President of 20 million Russians die down trumpeters all these allegations I'm you know what, I don't think these electoral college right I would decide that I would recognize only the ones that were for the speed at 274 to send it back to the house myself. You think that would be a good constitutional option. I don't think so. And that's the same as a Republican or Democrat, an independent whatever party it is that I think I think you get it love the reality of this is confusion to there's a lot of junk out there and in the in the social media world and and then there's you gotta find truth tellers in this. Even if you don't like what you're hearing. I would not say there's no options here. For the vice President but were we are saying that it's a limited, it will be challenged in court and he he. Still, it's be the states make a decision which is what you were just reading, which is the article to saying that that's what attributes are.

Who should be certifying an instant to put the pressure on Mike pence do something that he can't do and the people are saying there's a real letter to Mike pence like you know do something people are emailing. That's he's got legitimate issue Ahead of the Senate in Pennsylvania saying there's a problem there was a novel are so many so there's a novel argument that can be made that maybe can then save the Pennsylvania legislature had.

You're telling me you don't want the certified gaps are gaps electors. Now you're saying you don't want them here. The legislature is mostly deciding this. Who is your electors yeah that's stiff that he's not going to decide who the electors are and there's arguments that he has a right to do that in his arguments that he doesn't, and in any the questions, even the queer the court even here that move those states to say be if the courts don't hear it.

There's a Scottish certifying tenant right as quickly as they can convene back to phones.

Regardless, go to Diana and Texas online three diner welcome to Jay Sekulow life long wall of the finding wrong in the scene that to the Internet, only to try another limestone anything this scene so that the evidence that was presented did not convince a judge or an appellate court or the Supreme Court of the United States. That's it. And if there was the actual good evidence to show that they were outside he said I was connected to the Internet and I entered I know that they're allowed to.

This action relating up to the states say they like to make a decision about what election cystitis is an limitation that nothing of what happened in Georgia last night. The Democrats just how did the Republicans. It happens. That's politics.

I mean, you know they came in with momentum.

They were just kind of like tired out by what they done. Month six weeks ago. They were still excising to the scholarly quote hey Judy and Sylvania on their car very quickly.

Make a line General evidence of changes in about nothing changes today with Congress. What recourse do we do people have 20 things that happened illegally in Pennsylvania like new legislators in the state and the reason I say that India know that anyone fairly quickly and this is the states are complaining, the day before certification or the day of certification could've taken action themselves and to underside of electors in light of electors. That's right, it's up to you legislature the Constitution is very clear that the main means, manner and method of accepting and deciding the constitutional electors is left of the legislatures of the states they were looking first they wanted the Supreme Court to tell them they had to do it. This record was thinking that you will need to tell you this you cannot do this right now they're looking for vice President. Pence, do it, and I've still not convinced that if he says go back and look at it that they've got enough guts to actually change any change anything because they didn't know before. Right bottom line is to be a long day and an interesting day. But at the end of the day, in spite of the objections of 13 senators and over 100 members of Congress will have no effect on Joe Biden being inaugurated in 14 days. That's the problem.

The reality, unless the state students unless we face real estate switch on the recertification they have narrowed the list or the votes somehow mysteriously note the Senate says you know what this is what he felt the about now so it's good to be what the problem there was the state of the daylight were issued be mad at them, something that the vice President only met down from nomadic senators. House members Mike pence policing is illegal, legislators in the six states that had been brought out didn't step up and have the guts to do it. Will talk tomorrow. Stay up to speed up Newsmax a few minutes third time today talk that all these issues in an Italian ACLJ.ACLJ on the frontlines protecting your freedom is defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena.

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