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July 13, 2024 5:06 pm

Matt Slick discusses various Christian theological topics, including the debate over Calvinism and eternal security, the validity of the pre-tribulation rapture, and the concept of faith as a gift from God. He also explores the relationship between God's sovereignty and human free will, and examines the biblical account of Satan and the serpent in the Garden of Eden.

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The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at KARM.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick live. Francis, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the show.

If you are interested, you can give me a call at 877-207-2276. Today's date is July 10th, 2024. There's a heat wave going on here in the United States. We're in Idaho and it's 108 and boy, it's, it's hot. But you know, but it's a dry heat. So for, it's not that bad here. I know it's real hot for a lot of people and hope people taking care of themselves and situations are okay. All right, now look, if you want, you can also email me at info at KARM.org, info at KARM.org.

And if you do that, I just put in a subject line, radio comment, radio question, something like that and I can get to it. And we've got a few waiting. All right. Now some interesting kind of stuff has been going on. There's a, there's a rabid, uh, rabid, uh, anti-Calvinist out there, anti-security eternal security person out there called Dan corner. And, um, so I was on a Catholic website or it was not a Catholic website.

It was a website that deals with Catholicism and some other stuff. And, uh, you know, so I made a comment, you know, well, Catholicism, this and that, this guy, Dan corner comes up and I've had interactions with him before and said, be careful match. Let's say once they've always saved, uh, Calvinist heretic and, uh, you know, I'm, I get tired of this kind of stuff, you know, and, uh, so I said, okay, let's, let's have a debate. I challenged him to a debate and I said, let's have a moderated public, moderated timed debate. And he said, uh, he would do it, but he isn't, uh, and he said, but he would do it on the subject of once saved, always saved. And I said, let's do it. And then he backed out. It was a, I challenged him to bait tonight, but he, he all backed out.

I have it all recorded the text and everything from Facebook and it's on a page. Now, the reason I'm bringing this up is because there are people who condemn everybody just outright and, uh, who have little if no grace at all and who misrepresent other people's positions and then don't care and then speak ill and evil of people and won't back it up. Uh, and so, uh, he's a, uh, in my opinion, um, he's a dangerous teacher you need to be aware of and I've got information on him. So, uh, that's that.

And, um, on the page today on the Facebook page, which I have all linked and everything, uh, you know, he, um, he bailed, he bailed out on his, uh, his agreement. I told him, I said, Jesus says, let your yes, but yes, you're nobody. No, you're going to, you're going to do what you said.

And silence crickets for two days. Okay. So if he wants to come back and save face and agree to the debate that he agreed to and not go back on his word, then we can have a time moderated debate and I will do my best to, um, dismantle his heretical position, his accusations, his false, uh, accusations, et cetera, et cetera. All right.

Having gotten past that. So, uh, if you want to give me a call, you can 877-207-2276. For those of you who, uh, support us at karma, let you know that we're working on a new system and begun it today and it'll take a few weeks. We're going to get something replacing what we have and we hope to really advance the site in some particular areas a lot. And I know that there's a bit of an issue.

I don't know why or what exactly, but I got to find it out with the schools and a couple of things happened. So I don't know if Joanne's aware of it, but, um, my wife knows and I'm going to work on that as well. I've written enough articles that I'm, I've got, uh, stuff for another week that I don't have to do anything, no more writing and they'll just come out every other day for a week. So I've got a whole week to be able to produce other stuff. And in the meantime, uh, what I'll probably end up doing is like I did last night, go on clubhouse, open up a room and taught some theology and answered questions.

Um, and I'd go in discord and do that as well. And, uh, I've started working on an outline system for videos that we're going to be producing. So I got a lot going on. Oh, wait a minute. I say that again.

We have a lot going on. I don't want to use my girl voice, you know, my girl voice. I can't do it. All right. Hey, look, why don't you give me a call? 877-207-2276. Let's get to Ebeneezer from California.

Ebeneezer, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, hey man. Um, yeah. I was talking to some Catholics, um, on TikTok came along. Uh, I just, you know, brought up the whole, um, thing on, um, how, um, you know, because they say that peer was, uh, you know, cat authority by Jesus, uh, uh, for the Catholic church. And, um, they, uh, bought it, huh?

Talk about Peter. You mean? Yeah.

Yeah. And then they brought up, um, some passage in Matthew, I think it was in Matthew or one of the two. And also they said, you know, Mary was infallible and it was, it was a lot of things. Um, and they use for the Mary was infallible. They use the, they would say that she was sinless.

She never sinned. Yeah, it's endless. Exactly. Yup. Yup. Yeah. But I forgot about that. And, um, how there was originally 73 books at a Bible and some counseling and Jamia. Yeah.

Yeah. That's wrong. So different books is wrong. You've been misled by a lot of the Catholics who themselves have bought into lots of lies. Uh, so let me deal with some, I mean, I know it's, I know, I know it's wrong.

I know it's wrong, but, um, it was like proving it, you know? Okay. You can actually go to calm and you can see a lot of the answers to that. So for example, if you go to my website, carm.org forward slash C U T the word cut, and it's short for cut and paste. And the purpose of that section is to be able to take paragraphs and cut them into paste them and put them into a chat rooms. Well, it turns out that this is just pretty helpful because it's basic information.

So if you were to go there and you were to click on the Roman Catholic stuff, you can, for example, click on the link, Peter, it'll scroll it down in there and Peter and the rock, Matthew 16, 18, and it tells you how to respond to them. It's right there. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm on a website.

It was just tough on it. Actually. I like, I use this, uh, this, uh, this site on YouTube called Christian book and, um, and they, they, um, had, uh, to justify that claim, you know, they had, um, uh, I think it's a Ignatius is, I think it's Aaron is or Ignatius is every nation's letter where, um, cause I was talking to the Catholic guy and, um, I, I told him how, um, even there's even he didn't, he didn't specify that, uh, Peter was the, Peter was the, um, had all authority. Um, I mean, it wasn't making justification for my claims or their claims either, but they automatically assume they said it was some fallacy and that automatically assumed that, Oh yeah, it's Peter, it's Peter. He was talking about Peter here and Paul, you know, I mean, so I didn't. Mm hmm.

Uh, so here's the thing. Um, you're going to encounter Roman Catholics who are basically cultists. And when I say that, I want you to think of them as cult members. Uh, they don't know the facts, don't care about the facts. Only their church is true and they believe whatever their church says and the scriptures can only be understood according to what their church says.

This is typical of cults, Mormonism, Jehovah's witnesses, uh, stuff like that, you know, Eastern Orthodoxy also. So you had to think of it like that. And what you need, what I would recommend that you do is go to my website and other websites. And it's really simple to do. I recommend this to people. You can go to Google and you can create a Google doc and just store the address someplace that you always have it.

You can get to it on a web browser, you can get to it on your phone. And what you do is you create an outline and you put answers to stuff in an outline. That's all simple. And when you're talking to somebody, you just bring that up and you just, you, uh, you put your stuff in there. You can say, no, this is just, you could take information from calm, for example, take a paragraph and copy it in there and you'd have it ready.

And this is what you do. Yeah, I'm on, I'm on comms outside right now. Yeah. All right. All right. No problem.

No problem. Yeah. I was, I was just, I didn't, I didn't mean to just blast you with like all the information I want.

No, no, no, no, no. I deal with this all the time with Roman Catholics. I mean, I can answer the issue of Peter. I can answer the issue of the Bible and 750 books that they say we took out, which never happened.

They were never in go through and explain that. Uh, I can explain the issue of Mary and the idolatry that they, they, uh, they commit with her. I mean, idolatry to the Roman Catholic church got to understand is not a Christian church. It is a, it teaches a false God, a false priesthood, a false Mary. It is not Christian. And all people who die believing official Roman Catholic theology are damned official.

It's not to say there aren't Catholics in there who are Christians, but if they believe official Roman Catholic theology, they cannot be saved because it is, it's Antichrist. A lot of people don't think that I'm just being crazy when I say that. No, it's not. I'm not being crazy because I know what I'm talking about. My notes on Catholicism, my, my word document notes on Catholicism are 228 pages and it's still growing and I have more to research.

So I take it very seriously and the Roman Catholic church is not a Christian church and neither is the Eastern Orthodox church. Okay. So and you could have, you know, Matt, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.

I'm, I will be searching your website. Good man. Check it out. And uh, you know, give us feedback and call me up and say, dude, that was so helpful. Or man, I was reading this one thing. It didn't make any sense.

And you just tell me because to me it all makes sense cause it's in my brain. But then I can go and I can fix it. Like someone pointed out a mistake, a typo, a paragraph typo and I had to go in and fix it yesterday. It happens. So feedback's always welcome. All right.

Most definitely. All right. All right. Thank you, man. All right, man. God bless. Okay. All right.

Well that was Ebenezer. And if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276 let's get to Paul from Wake Forest, North Carolina. Welcome Paul. You're on the air. How are you doing? I'm doing all right. Yes.

So where do you go? Uh, are you, I'm in the middle of getting gas. I think I'll just sit down and wait for that. Um, okay. I, I've talked to you a couple of times before and that was probably years ago, but, um, throughout listening to you, uh, I seem to feel that you, uh, believe in the post tribulation rapture. Yes, that's correct. I believe we're going to go through it. Yep.

We're not going to get raptured out. Yeah. Um, one of our words, it says that, uh, yeah, I, you know, where it says God, that God would now allow us to, uh, go through his wrath. No, it doesn't say that. It doesn't. No.

Well, what does it say? It, um, the Bible says we're not appointed to wrath, but salvation. Okay. Yeah. That's what the Bible says.

Uh, so, Oh, there's the break. So hold on. And then we'll do is we'll get to it and I'll, I'll dress it up. I'll show you what it, what it's really saying and why the preacher rapture people, uh, take it out of context and misuse it.

Okay. So hold on, buddy. Hey folks, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial eight seven, seven, two zero, seven, two, two, seven, six. We'll be right back. It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven, seven, two zero, seven, two, two, seven, six. Here's Matt slick. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial eight seven, seven, two zero, seven, two, two, seven, six.

We have three open lines. Paul, are you still there? Yeah. Yes I am. All right.

Now the Bible verse you're talking about is first Thessalonians five, nine for God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. Right. Right.

Okay. Let me show you a concept here. I want you to see how God works in Isaiah 45 seven.

Notice what it says. The one forming light and creating darkness causing well-being and creating calamity. I'm the Lord who does these. Yes. So the way of speaking is to set one against the other, not logically, but to contrast the one forming light and creating darkness, well-being and calamity.

Okay. Wrath and salvation. First Thessalonians five, nine. God is not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation. So if he's not death is destined us for wrath, but it's salvation. Salvation means the forgiveness of sins, et cetera.

That's what we're talking about. So what does wrath mean there then? Does it mean we're not going through tribulation? Is that what it means?

Well, I guess not because I go through a lot of it now. Yeah. It's has to do with damnation first and furthermore. Let's go to first Peter. I'll show you first Peter three, first Peter three 20. Okay. Come on.

My fingers aren't working right. There we go. And so it says the first bit of free 20 talking about, uh, the spirits now in prison who wants were disobedience when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah during the construction of the arc in which a in which a few that is eight persons were brought safely through the water were, were Noah and his family. Were they there during the wrath of God upon the unbelievers? The answer is yes, they were.

That's right. They were right there and they entered in the arc and they were delivered in it and through it. The preacher rapture says, no, God wouldn't let us go through it with Noah, right there with Noah. In fact, when you go to Matthew 24, 37 for the coming of the son of man, we just like the days of Noah. For in those days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving a marriage till the day that no entered the arc and they did not understand till the flood came and took them all away. That's the wicked who were taken. So the coming of the son of man, two of them being a field, one is taken, one is left. That's who's taken is the wicked. And that's the parallel passage of Luke 17 says that the flood came and destroyed them all.

They were eating, they were drinking, giving a marriage till the end of the arc and the flood came and destroyed them all. And then it says two men will be taken. One is, one is left, one is taken. And then they ask him where they take it. Well, they're taken to where the body is, where the bodies, where the vultures gather, where the bodies are, the vultures gather. That's what they, that's what Jesus answers them. Now, I'll show you one more thing because people say, we're not appointed to wrath, but salvation.

So that means we're not going through the tribulation. Well, check this out. I'm gonna show you a few things here. Okay.

This is just, a lot of people don't like this, but that's what it is. So this is, uh, in Matthew 24. Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation, uh, I'm just going to skip through stuff.

Okay. Whoever's on the house top, don't go down, don't get your stuff. Well, to those who are pregnant flee, unless those days be cut short, no life would be left. Uh, if anyone says you behold, there's a Christ, don't listen. False Christ will arise. False prophets will arise.

He's telling us just as the lightning comes from the East and flashes even of the West. So will the coming of the son of man be where the corpse is there, the vultures will gather. And then verse 29, but immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the son of man will appear in the sky. And then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and they will see the son of man coming on the clouds of the sky with great power and glory. And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet and they will gather his elect from the four winds from one end of the sky to the other. That's the rapture after the tribulation. But before that, there was a reading, Matthew 24, before that mention of the rapture, there was another mention. Nope. There's only, no, there's not. There's only one return of Christ because in Acts one, nine, 11 is prophesied how he's going to come back.

Uh-huh. I thought that there was, uh, uh, the, uh, returns coming to Christ before the rapture. Nope. And then seven years were worth the Lord.

And then we come back with him again. Nope. So to me, there was like two comings of Christ, right? One before the tribulation, one after. Right. And that's not in scripture.

It's just not there. There's only one. Yeah. It's a common thing. And, uh, it's, I believe that pre-trib rapture is very easily just, uh, destroyed. So here's something else to think about here.

I'll show you something else is even more interesting. In Matthew 13, Jesus talks about the parable of the wheat and the tares, the wheat and the tares. Right. And the tares are the wicked people and the weak are the good people. Now, the wicked are the ones taken first. That's right.

When he comes back. And they're taken out of his kingdom. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's just like Matthew 24 and Luke 17, the wicked are the ones taken. Yeah. That's what it says. Hey, do you have, uh, do you have a lot of this on your website? Yes. Yes. Okay. So if you were to go to Carm and look up this article and, uh, just type in this age and the age to come in support of amillennialism. Now I'm an amillennialist, which I believe.

And if you're not, that's okay. I mean, that's not why I'm trying to, you know, that's not a big deal. But, amillennialism says the future thousand year reign of Christ, a literal 1000 years is not real, but that we're in the reign of Christ now and people say, well, who the hunkum things are so bad. And there's very good answers because even Jesus says he'll take out of his kingdom, the wicked, his kingdom is now that's in Matthew 13. So I, what I do is I show people the scriptures on this and a lot of people are just just stumped and blown away by what, what it says. But the argument that I don't care if you're on mill or not, this is about, this is about the rapture stuff. So I think the preacher of rapture is potentially dangerous in the Christian church because it, in my opinion, it gives the false security blanket that we're going to be taken out of everything. So don't be that concerned with the world.

And I think that is a very bad, uh, very bad thing. Okay. So, yeah. And also 90% go ahead.

Uh, 90% of the Christians I know, or every Christian I know, I believe in, uh, three, three million of previous tribulations, because that's what's mostly taught. But yeah, I'll tell you what, we've got a break. If you want to hold on, please do. If not you hang up there and talk more about us. I'll go with what you told Shane. Sounds good. Oh, we got to go.

There's a break though. Okay. God bless buddy. Hey folks. You want to give me a call? 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Easy to do. That's all we're going to do. All right. Just give me a call. Hold on one sec here.

I had to clear my throat. All right. Let's get on the air with, let's see. Hmm. Uh, Rebecca from Salt Lake City. Rebecca, welcome. You're on here. Okay.

Um, the radio is different than the phone. Okay. Matt. Um, I, I just wanted to ask you if you heard about the so-called evangelist, Robert Morris. I can't see.

I have, maybe I have, but I don't recall now, you know. Okay. Well, he was just on television yesterday where this young lady and others say that she was molested by him and his staff. And I just wanted to get your comment on that, but obviously by him and the staff. Okay.

Well, that would be an issue for the police to look into. And right. Well, I just wanted to get your feedback on it.

Yeah. And you know, it's, it's always difficult if he's a pastor, biblically, we're not to bring on evangelist. Yeah, we shouldn't, you know, it falls under one of the offices given, but we need to make sure that we don't spread false gospel. I'm not saying false gossip.

I'm not saying he is or has not, but I haven't heard those things. If it's corroborated and there's a attestation that it's the case, then it would need to be brought out and examined. And, uh, uh, the police would need to be getting involved in that and, uh, and get to the bottom of it. Accusations can easily be made. And there are plenty of cases where people, uh, just make an accusation and other people's lives are ruined because of it. Just an accusation.

Personally, that was the case. Yeah. His life was ruined because of an accusation by a neighbor of something he didn't do. His house had broken into, his car was vandalized. He lost his job. Yeah.

He had to move. Yeah. Well, just additionally she's now in her forties or it happened.

She was only 12 and then she talked to a few other girls which were around her age that also were molested by either him or the staff. So you're right. That is for the police to take care of, but it just threw me away. That's right. The police would need to be involved with that.

And if it's the case, they need to be dealt with legally and, uh, and then have the fathers talk to him in private. Yeah. That's part of being a false prophet or false teacher. Right. Yeah. Okay, Matt.

Well I just want to get your feedback on that dear. Will you have a good day and bless you? No, you too. Thank you. All right. God bless you. All right. All right. Now I was going to get to something here and, uh, cause I have my windows open and I know that a lot of people hold to the pre-trib thing. I also know that I step on a lot of toes and I know that a lot of people listening, you know, they, they, they might continue to listen because, well, that guy in the radio, you know, he does quote the scriptures and it does seem to be right there, but I'm still just not sure. Well, that's okay. I mean, you know, last name slick.

You gotta be careful. But I will say this, the pre-trib rapture idea didn't exist. Uh, as far as I'm aware of until about 200 years ago and it became popularized here in America through the Schofield reference Bible later at one point and I hope that preacher rapture is true.

I just don't see it. I would suggest that if any of you are interested in doing a study that what you do is you begin with the, the, um, the, um, the time division that Paul and Jesus taught at time division. The division of history is this age and the age to come. It's taught in Matthew 12, Mark 10, Luke 18, Ephesians one, Luke 20, uh, Luke 16, first Corinthians, uh, one chapter eight, second Corinthians four, Galatians one, Titus two, uh, Luke 18, Mark 10. I mean, it's all over the Bible.

Let me ask you something. If your preacher rapture, you know, studied eschatology and people have listened to them, read stuff, had they ever talked about this age and the age to come? If you've heard that before besides me and you've heard it, well then praise God. But if you have not, that's a serious problem.

It's a very serious problem because it would mean that the teacher's not done this homework for her homework. You see, this age and the age to come is critical because in this age, blasphemy is not forgiven. Mary, we are married and we are given in marriage in this age. There's power and superiority of God in this age. There's a present evil age. There's the rulers of this age. There's a God of this age, which is Satan.

Uh, which is Satan. And there's the wisdom of this age. But in the age to come, blasphemy won't be forgiven either. But in this age or the age to come, says Jesus, we receive the completion of totality of our eternal life. There's no marriage because we're in heaven with the Lord, power and superiority of God in the age to come. So the question then becomes, well, what happens at the end of this age? Because in the new age, that's when that's when the new heavens, new work, all the kind of stuff. Well, what happens at the end of this age? Well, I've got information for you. You can go to my website and you can look it up.

You can check it out. But the wicked are gathered at the end of this age. The judgment of the wicked occurs at the end of the age.

The elect are gathered. The harvest occurs. Jesus return occurs in the rapture occurs at the end of the age. All is at the end of the age. And it talks about it happening on the last day, because when it says at the end of the age that even the judgment of the wicked occurs, that's called the last day. The judgment of the wicked occurs on the last day, which is also the end of the age. Well, if it's the judgment of the wicked occurs at the last day, it also says the resurrection occurs on the last day. All this points to a single time, not a seven year period of different times where different things happen at different times where we've caught up and then people stay here on earth and the people who are up in heaven and your glorified bodies or they're not a glorified bodies, depending which view they go to. And then we return with Christ kind of, uh, or excuse me, return with Christ at the end of the seven year tribulation. Then people are raptured up at that point again and or enter into a literal thousand year period where people will then live for a thousand years who were not raptured, weren't glorified or transfigured, but they could live and then become believers in the tribulation period. And they go through the a thousand year reign, not dying and earn physical bodies. And then the, the enemy, uh, the anti-Christ arises up and, and uh, Satan rises up and wars against Jesus and all this stuff.

I mean, where is that in scripture? That's all I say. This is important stuff. Let's get to Sarah from Raleigh, North Carolina. Sarah, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, how are you doing? I'm doing okay. Hanging in there, just stepping on people's toes. So what do you got?

Okay. I recently got a new book and the title was the mysticism of all. And interesting. I'm just, I don't remember who the author was.

I think it was originally written in the thirties and then the edition I had was from like 1958 five or something. But I started reading it and I was just kind of wondering if you have any thoughts or know much about that. No, I don't.

I don't know what the book is. Um, and I'd like to, you know, be able to know, but, uh, what does he mean by that topic? Isn't something you necessarily, well, it just depends on what he means, what you mean by mysticism. That's all. If he, if he's defining it as a new age sense, then that'd be a problem. If he's defining it as, uh, his union with Christ and his, uh, his experience, uh, through him, uh, throughout scripture, then it'd be okay. Okay.

Well, I'll call another time after I've read a little bit more and have it in front of me again. I was just wondering if it was something that just kind of popped in your head that you thought about or knew. No, no. Oh no. I've got so many books to read.

I think behind 50 books. I know. I know you're always behind. Right. Well, thank you for all you do. I appreciate it. Well, good. Thank you. All right.

Well, God bless. Have a good day. Thank you. All right. Hey folks, we have about a minute before the break or so, and if you want, you can give me a call.

Eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. You can also send me an email. All you have to do is direct it to info at calm.org and in the subject line, put in radio comment or radio question, and we can get to it and be able to do that after the break because we don't have anybody waiting right now.

Nobody's online. So there you go. Now look, if you want to have your toes stepped on in eschatology, go look at my article on calm and examination of this age and the age to come.

Go look it up, print it up, go through it and see if you scratch your head a lot. And it probably will challenge you. Hey, there's the music. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. Here's Matt slick. All right.

I would welcome back to the show. We've got one caller coming in and an email came in. Uh, and it's a good question.

And I'm going to tackle it because I think it's a good question here. It's about Philippines one 29, which states for to you, it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him. And so, uh, Jennifer asks, uh, I've heard skeptics say that this verse is not sufficient to prove faith as a gift from God. I wouldn't say it's a gift. I'd say it's granted. That's what I would say because the Bible says it's granted, or you could say given.

And that's what I would say because notice what a subtlety of what they'll do. Sometimes they'll take a verse and like this, it doesn't agree with them and they'll say, well, it doesn't say God, it's a, it doesn't prove as if it's a, it's a gift. Well, it's not what it's saying. They change it because they're interpreting it. And then you argue against what they've changed and don't do it.

Don't want to do that. I would say to them, no, it doesn't say it, uh, that faith is a gift here. It says that faith is what's granted. Anyway, it goes on since Paul does not use the noun faith to believe. That's the infinitive form to believe, right? So the question is, is the infinitive form to believe still sufficient to prove that faith is from God? Well, what I would say is, instead of saying faith is from God, I would say faith is granted from God.

I stick what, to what the scripture says, because if it says that I'm reading the text to them and they have to then disagree with what it actually says, I'm not going to let them alter it and then argue with a alter. I don't say it doesn't say that faith is from God. It says that God grants that we have faith that grants these, the, uh, grants that we believe.

That's what I would say. That's what it says. I said, do you agree with what the text says?

I'm always doing this, and I always require them to read the text and stay as close to what it actually says. The question goes on. Does the Greek word for belief here equate to faith? Yes, because, uh, there, uh, let me show you something here to believe. So we have belief and faith. They're different words in Greek. Uh, the Greek word for, uh, to believe is pestuene, but the Greek word for faith is pistus.

It goes from the same root, uh, uh, pi, iota, Sigma tau. I believe it is at this point, these four letters. So what it's saying is that the root is, is just from the belief issue.

So piston is the infinitive form, which means to eat, to walk, to do, and it comes from the verb pistuo, which is the first person singular, um, present active indicative. And that means, you know, that literally it's, it's, I believe. Okay. Well, it's just Greek stuff.

All right. So what's going on here is that God is the one who's granting that we believe. Now what's important is that it says it has been granted. That's what's called the aorist active indicative, uh, excuse me, aorist passive indicative.

My mistake there. Aorist passive indicative. Aorist means past tense and passive means it happened to you as passive voice. So it has been granted. You were granted it. It was granted to you by God. It happened to you that he granted it to you, that you believe. So the belief that you have is so and true because God granted it to you.

That's what's going on. That's what it says. So the skeptics, she says, goes on translate the verse by saying they were given the opportunity or the privilege to believe.

I would just say, it's not what it says does not say privilege or the opportunity. I say, you have to change God's word in order to make it fit what you want. You're committing a sin by doing this because the Bible says, do not change the word of God.

You got to believe it. In fact, if you go to Romans, not Romans, but Genesis chapter three, when, when Satan came to Eve, Satan had all, uh, God had told Adam, don't eat of the tree, don't eat of it. But when Satan came to Eve and said, well, did you say, don't eat from it?

She said, don't eat or touch it. All she did was add the words or touch it. She was interpreting what God said and just changing it slightly for clarification. At that point, Satan then knew to contradict because she was no longer trusting what God exactly had said, because he said it for a reason. But what these guys do, it makes me mad. What they do is reinterpret God's word in order to make it fit their theology, which means our theology is wrong. And I know who did this.

Yeah, it's, um, uh, latent, latent flowers. And I had a personal conversation with him about this exact verse. And that's exactly what he said. I said, here, it says that God grants that we believe. He said, no, God grants the opportunity to believe. I said, that's not what it says. That's what it means. How do you know what it means is that when it's not what it says, see, when you have to change God's word. Now I'm not saying that you can't interpret things in light of other things.

And that's certainly the case that we need to do that. But when it says it has been granted to believe, it's very clear that God's going to grants that we believe and we do the believing and God granted to whoever he wishes. That's the sovereignty of God, not the sovereignty of man. At the root of the problem here is that people want their own sovereignty. They want their own privilege. They want God to bow to their own egos, to their own pride, to their own will. They want God to be fair on their terms because they don't like the idea that God is the one who picks people for salvation.

They don't like it because that's not fair. They are in privileged position to know how God ought to behave. And I've had this kind of discussion hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times with people who do not like the sovereignty of God, but they want to follow the blonde hair, blue, white, Caucasian, surfer, dude dressed in a woman's nightgown, standing at the door of your heart, asking permission for you and your wisdom to let them in. But the God of scripture is what it grants that we have repentance. 2 Timothy 2.25 grants that we have faith, Philippians 1.29. And Jesus says, you cannot come to me unless it's granted to you from the Father. John 6.65. That's it. Jesus didn't say you can't come to me unless God granted you the opportunity to come to me.

And this is the, this is the sinful, rebellious attitude that too many people have when they go to God's word and they submit it to their ideas, to their teachings that are sentiment and I wish they would stop. So that's, uh, that's what I have to say about that. Let's get to Martin from Charlotte, North Carolina. Martin, welcome.

You're on the air. Good man. How you doing?

Doing all right. That's the only reason I listen. I don't care if they don't like it. That's what it says. You don't like it.

Listen to somebody else who can tickle your ears. I'm not going to do that for you. If you didn't do that, I wouldn't even listen. That's right.

That's right. Okay. Good for you. Okay. Okay. We, uh, some of the stuff in the Bible is symbolic and some not right. I'm sorry. Say it again.

Um, some of the stuff in the Bible is symbolic and some not. Right. Yeah. Okay. All right. I have, I've always, I've always believed that. Okay.

Uh, may I do the, okay. The scriptures that were, I'm kind of, it makes me a little, uh, in revelation 12, um, nine, uh, and the great dragon was cast out that the old serpent called the devil and Satan was defeated the whole world. So that makes it clear to me that Satan, the devil and all the same people and the serpent, right? The same beings we call them people. We call them just beings. Okay. Right.

That's right. Uh, and then, uh, like 11 and said, and they overcame him by the blood of the lamb. So we call Christ the lamb, but what kind of kind of confused me. So I've always like all these people when they say, when they would say a snake, I was like, well, he ain't really a snake. You know, he's, I would say, uh, well, he was an angel because of the scriptures that talk about him being this beautiful angel.

Yeah. Uh, and then, and then, and like in the Genesis where you just talked about, uh, but Genesis four, where it messes with me is it says, uh, when you talked about ease and then he said in the curse, uh, because thou has done this, thou are curse above all cattle and above every beast of the field and above that belly, she held that goal and the dust she held out eat all the days of that life. So I was, so that, that kind of message, okay. Why would he, why would he say above every beast? And it's like, it's kind of like he is calling him a snake, but how about because of, but because of the scriptures, they're talking about it being a, this beautiful angel always, I would always, you know, mess with people, uh, sarcastically and go, well, you know, he really wasn't a snake.

He's an angel. Right. Yes. It tells me to, to get through to the Lord.

God said to the serpent, now the word serpent is come college and, uh, it's translated as serpents and a snake in the Old Testament. It occurs. I can even tell you how many times it occurs, but not a big deal. There's been some discussions about exactly what it was. Was it a snake? We don't know. It's translated as, but we don't know if that's exactly what it was and just one of the issues that are, are there. Hold on one second.

Let's see. It's five, one, seven, five. And that word that's used there occurs 31 times when it's translated, at least in the NASB is translated as serpent, uh, every single time and snake serpent and snake. And so it looks like it's that creature and the snake, but it's possible it could be something else that it was and that it could be that something that existed that we don't know about or not familiar with or became extinct because 98% of all species have ever lived are now extinct. So there's just some discussion about this and we just don't know exactly what it is. So what's interesting is, when the serpent was lifted up on the cross and they would look upon the serpent, uh, and they'd be healed.

Well, why would they do that? Because it represented sin, sin being crucified, Jesus became sin, you're healed. And so it's a typological representation. So there's, there's a sense in which the snake represents Christ, believe it or not, in that context of being lifted up. Okay. So this is part of it.

So this is, it's a really interesting topic and it's not easy to, to get to. Now here's another question. If it was, let's just say Satan entering a serpent, why would this serpent be a curse? Because when demonic forces enter human beings, are all humans cursed? Well, of course not.

So what is this creature? That's why we're not again. Okay. That's where it's confusing. I was like, I said, yeah, cause I was, I'd always tease people where, you know, what, because of the scriptures, and now you're supposed to be this beautiful angel that more beautiful than any other angel.

And he's like, this, you know, big, you know, Lieutenant or whatever you want to call him. And then, so you have to, then in 11 where it does say, I mean, in nine at the end, it does add angels. It said he was cast out into the earth and his angels were cast out with him. So I was like, okay, now they're just turning it back to angel.

In verse nine of Revelation. Oh man, there's the break. We're out of time brother. There's a call back tomorrow.

You can see this is, this is an interesting topic and I rarely talk about it like this, but it's an interesting topic and we can't get to the bottom of it, but we don't know what it is. Okay. So, but we got to go call back tomorrow. If you want me to continue. Got to go. Hey folks, there you go. We're out of time and the Lord bless you by his grace back on there tomorrow. We'll talk to you then.
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