Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at CARM.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick live. Francis, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome to the show. I hope you want to give me a call. I've got a lot of things in my mind here. Thinking about what to talk about if you guys don't call in because I got some stuff I've been working on and thinking about talking about it, but maybe not.

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And we are distrusting him. I hope you are doing that too. I know it's pretty tough for everybody.

I hope $5 a month isn't too much. All right. Having said all of that, I think what we could probably do is just jump on to let's just jump on to the phone. Let's get to Evan from Raleigh, North Carolina. Evan, welcome. You are on the air.

Hey, Matt. Just have a question for you. Kind of a Christmas related question that my wife mentioned a couple weeks ago that I've never thought of before. And she asked me if Jesus resembled Mary at all, or if he got DNA from Mary. And I was wondering, kind of the only objection I could think of was if he would have inherited anything, would he have not also inherited her sin nature? But I wanted to get your thoughts on that. Yeah, he probably resembled her because it was her genetics.

So there's that and not a problem. We don't know exactly what he would have looked like because the other part of the genetics got arranged, manifested, whatever you want to call it, in the birth. And as far as original sin goes, it looks like the issue of original sin deals with the propagation of the sin nature through the father. So Adam and Eve were in the garden. She sinned first, but sin entered through Adam, Romans 5-12, and this doctrine called federal headship. So in federal headship, the male represents the descendants, not the female. That's very clearly taught in scripture. And if people are curious about that, they could go to Carm, and they could look up a federal headship, and I've written on it about a bunch of stuff.

So if he did not have a biological father as in Joseph, then the implication is that the sin line was dismissed at him. Okay. Okay, great.

That is super helpful. I hadn't thought of it that way. And yeah, I realize, not the most important question, but just thought it would be interesting to get your take on that, and that is super helpful, so thank you. Yeah, well, no, those are good questions, you know, particularly about Jesus and the sin nature, and it's a very important question.

So people have asked it over the years, and it's a good question. I've written an article on it as well. At least I believe I have. I've written so many articles, thousands, I've written over 5,000 articles.

I can't even remember some of the stuff I've written. So yeah, you know, yeah. You know, okay. Good stuff. Great. Thank you so much.

You're thinking. You're welcome very much. All right, have a good day.

All right. Hey, we have four open lines if you want to give me a call. 877-207-2276.

Let's get to Kevin from upstate New York. Welcome. You are on the air. Shalom, man. How you doing, bro? Oh, by God's grace doing well.

A lot better than I deserve. That's for sure. So I have a question for you there.

I think there's that. Are you there? Can you hear me okay? Yes, I hear you now. Yeah. Okay. You said you had a question? Great. I'm ready. Okay.

Yeah. So tomorrow I'm going to be talking with a black Hebrew Israelite on my YouTube channel. And I know he doesn't believe in the deity of Christ. What I was going to do is I was going to try to take him through scripture, show how God created everything, and then I was going to show him how Colossians teaches that Jesus created everything, and then I was also going to use the resurrection account to show that God says, God raised him from the dead. It also says the Spirit raised him from the dead, and it says Jesus raised himself.

But anyway, as I was going through the scriptures to put this stuff together for him so I could go over with him tomorrow, I was looking at Genesis 1-1, right, where it said God created the heaven and the earth. Now, I know some translations put it as heavens, and so it has nothing to do with what I'm going to be talking to him about, but I was curious is why are some translations putting it as heaven and others put it as heavens? I was trying to look and see if it was a plural word, and I couldn't find an answer to it.

So I was wondering if you could help me out with that. Yes, it is in the plural. It's a samayim, and it's in the plural, and it's the heavens, so no problem. So no problem, but you have to understand that in the Jewish cosmology, there are three heavens. The Jewish thought of three heavens.

This is the Mormons who would need to hear this. So the first heaven is where we walk, where the wind is, where the clouds are, where the birds fly. The second heaven is where the sun and the moon and the stars are, and the third heaven is a dueling place of God. So that created the heavens would not be creating his own dwelling or a dwelling place, but it would be probably in reference to the first and second. Just a material world, and that's all it's talking about. Not a big deal.

Okay. Okay, because I know that same word in other parts of scripture is translated only as heaven. They don't always translate it heavens, like plural.

Why is that? Well, we have to see the context of each one to see what's going on. Sometimes in translations, what they want to do is get the meaning across instead of the literalness. And when the problem with the meaning is that it becomes the meaning of what the translator thinks it means, and that's a problem sometimes. But on the other hand, a literal translation can also have a problem because, for example, when it says in the Old Testament that God clears his nostrils at you, well, let's write that out literally. We wouldn't know what that idiom means, but what it means is he's angry. And so they'll say, well, God's anger burned against them.

He cleared his nostrils at them. And that's just an old idiom in the Jewish context back then. So there are advantages and disadvantages to being literal and versus meaning.

So neither one is perfect when we go to the English. So what I like to do is use interlinears. And you can do it at BibleHub and blueletterbible.com.

Find interlinears. And interlinear is the English and the Hebrew or the Greek, depending where you're at in the Bible, gives a literal transliteration of the word. Like, I'm looking at my Bible program. It says heavens, and then it has the Hebrew word and then the transliteration, samayim. And then I have underneath it, I put my mouse over it.

It's a noun, common, masculine, plural, and absolute. Underneath that, it's number 8064. And then I can just take the 8064, put it into a search thing, 8064. And the word occurs 421 times in the Old Testament.

And then I can look. And so it's rendered as sky, heaven, heavens, because there's cognates, like actor, actors, actress, actresses. Those are cognates of the same word. And so heaven, any word, has cognates.

And that's what's going on there. So you can have a different rendition of it, depending on the context. Make sense? Yeah, because I see I use Blue Letter Bible.

Good. And yeah, I can click on the Strong's number they got here. But see, when I'm reading, it tells me a list of definitions that they use.

If I go down here, it says beginning chief. They say compare it to Syriac, Deuteronomy 33. See, but they don't tell me whether it's singular or plural. Like if they do, I can't find where that is on the website. Because this is the main resource I have.

I'm looking into the original languages, blueletterbible.org. Yeah. And what program do you use? Because I don't have that. Is it free or do you just pay for it? I do Logos. And it's not cheap.

OK, it's just not cheap. And so if I were to go to Genesis, like I'm in Blue Letter Bible, Genesis 1, 1, and the King James, whatever, I created a heaven. And I'm going to look at the tools next to it.

And then I'll go down to heaven. And on the right-hand side of that, it says on the left, it says phrase. 8 0 6 4 has the Hebrew. On the right, it has H-T-D forward slash N-C-M-P-A. You put your mouse over that. And that and a pop-up will show you the parsing.

Let's just call it that for now. The parsing. It's a participle, definite, article, noun, common, masculine, plural, absolute. And this has linguistic significance. So when I say to my wife, who speaks French, and I'm pretty good at Spanish, and I'll say to her, what's the present active indicative, first-person singular, of the verb to eat?

And she will just tell it to me because I'm asking for a very specific thing. So I know the form in that construction. So the present active indicative, first-person singular, of to eat is I eat. And then the second person is you eat. Third person is he, she, or it eats. And then third person, plural, is they eat. And so do I would say... Do you see that where it says strong definition? See how it says Shammayim? It says U of U singular?

Why don't they talk about it being plural? I don't see where it says that. Don't use the King James. Just don't use the King James.

That's all. You know, King James causes problems, okay? Well, I like the Texas Receptus, but I'm not King James anymore. Well, I'm just telling you, King James, you know, it causes problems like this. And there's some other places where the King James is pretty bad. Titus 2.13, it doesn't render the Greek properly in the Granville Sharp rule. Romans 5.18, it blows it. But, you know, it's a great Bible.

But if you want real serious study, NASB is where you want to go. We got to go. There's a break. Okay, buddy? Got to go. All right. All right, man. All right. God bless. Hey, folks.

Four open lines. If you want to call me, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to the show. I just want to give you a reminder. We have three online schools. If you want to check them out, you can go to learn.com.org. Just learn, you know, to learn something.

Three schools, one on Christian theology, one on apologetics, and one on critical thinking. So I'll tell you, you learn what's in there. You're going to learn a lot.

And it's made easy and simple and step by step. So if you think, I can't learn that stuff. Oh, yes, you can. It's one lesson at a time.

And I build one upon the other and teach a lot of stuff. So there you go. If you want to check it out. All right, let's get on the phone with Nelson from Bakersfield.

That's in California. Welcome, brother. You're on the air. What do you got, man? Yeah, I got a, I got a question.

Um, as, um, I think I know I called the wall back and asked this question and no, I have a little bit more, uh, more, I gotta say more questions. More questions, uh, in, if you go to, if you can help me in Matthew third, I'm sorry, Matthew eight, um, verse, I think it's verse, uh, well, if you can bring that up real quick. Matthew eight, 12.

Okay. Yes. And the sons of kingdom will be cast into outer darkness in that place.

There'll be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Yes. Yeah, um, now, um, because a friend of mine, I think I remember, but I, uh, a friend of mine, uh, president of the Lord, um, he believes that that refers to, it connects with, uh, uh, first Corinthians three, um, verse 10 through 15, where, uh, the ones that build on a wood and, and double, I think their evidence will be burned up. So, um, what is it, is it connected with the, um, with the, so I told him in Matthew 13, you said, is it connected with, uh, and then you didn't finish. So I want to know, is it connected with, um, Matthew 13, 40, I'm sorry, 41 and 42, where it says, okay. Yeah.

Takes out of his kingdom. Yeah. What the wicked, because I told them, I think that I think I made, there's a connection there.

Am I right or am I wrong? I'm not sure what you're getting at yet. So in first Corinthians three, 10 through 15, it talks about those people who do not trust in the true Lord and their works are not in harmony with what God has designed.

They're usually selfish. They're not saved. And so what they've done is, is, uh, will be destroyed. Then there's also when interpretation dealing with, if you are a Christian and you have, uh, you know, done a lot of things for selfish reasons, even as a Christian, then those good works for the selfish reasons will just be burned up in the day of judgment.

You'll suffer loss of reward. Now in Matthew, you mentioned Matthew eight, 12, I believe it was, and the sons of the kingdom will be cast out to outer darkness and, uh, weeping and gnashing of teeth. Uh, well, that's judgment upon those who have rejected the Messiah and Matthew 13, 30 through roughly 45 is talking about the parable of the wheat and the tears and the wheat are the good and the tears are the bad. The wheat are the, you know, and so, uh, the first ones taken are not the good, but the bad, and they're the ones who were taken out of God's kingdom because Jesus interprets the parable starting in verse 40 of Matthew 13. And so, uh, he says, love both to go together till the time of the end.

And I'll say to the reapers first, gather the tears and burn them and bundle them up. Uh, I think it's Matthew 13, 30. And so, uh, this is eschatological here in Matthew 13 and is tied to the return of Christ. And the taking of the good, but the taking of the good is preceded by the taking of the bad. And that's consistent with Matthew 24, 37 through the end of the chapter and Luke 17, 26 through the end of the chapter, where, you know, two men are in the field. One is taken, one is left. The ones who were taken are the wicked. It's not the good who were taken. It's a common misunderstood verse.

So this is all consistent and there's a harmonious, uh, teaching there. Now we're talking also about the new covenant and some other stuff in there, but long story short, those who trusted in Christ don't go to hell. Those who have not trusted in Christ will go to hell. And, uh, then the eschatological reign, when the, when the Lord returns, the wicked will be the ones who were taken out of the kingdom first and cast into lake of fire.

And then where those who live are mainly caught up and then, um, new heavens and new works are made. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Cause, um, he, um, interpreted a word that, uh, um, that those who, um, right there on, uh, verse 12 of Matthew eight, it says they're thrown into outer darkness and will be weeping in the national teeth. And, um, he, he believed that those are believers who are going to be purified for a thousand years. Yeah. That's heresy.

During the millennium. Yeah. That's heresy. And so, uh, it is a false teaching. Oh yeah, exactly. So I was just like, you know, I know it's false teaching.

Let me explain why. No one is purified through their own suffering. They're purified through the blood of Christ, God and flesh who died on the cross. And anyone who would teach that we have to go to some place of outer darkness for a period of time to suffer for our sins and be purified. And then we go to heaven is teaching damnable heresy is denying the true gospel. And there are a lot of groups and people who teach this and Roman Catholicism teaches it. Mormonism teaches it and other groups teach a form of punishment and purification in the afterlife. And when you've suffered accordingly, then you're made worthy to go be with God. And this is earning salvation by your works, by your suffering.

And that's a false doctrine and with all the false religions teach. No. Yeah.

I mean, when, when he really broke it down to me while back, I'm all, well, that's, that's like you're teaching pergola right there, which is not, not in the Bible. Right. Purgatory also Mormonism teaches the outer darkness for a thousand years in that relationship of them and purification Catholicism teaches it. I believe Eastern Orthodoxy has something similar to it.

I was talking to someone recently, I forgot who, what group he was in, taught something else like that. Yeah. You're purified for a little while in the afterlife.

And, uh, oh yeah. And Muslims, uh, I actually talked to a guy, which to my surprise, uh, I got to verify this. He said, it's commonly, commonly held in more, in, uh, Islam and it really, you know, that there's basically different levels of being a good Muslim. All Muslims end up going to paradise.

He said, I don't, I don't buy this, but anyway, I got to verify it. And so he said, all Muslims go to heaven, eventually go to paradise, but those who are bad Muslims have to go to place of purification and they suffer for a while. Are purified. And then when they're, they're ready, then they're enabled to go up and be with God. This is a man centered theology. It's, it's something that man would come up with, not with God. God's infinitely holy. You don't earn your place with him by, by your goodness.

That's an invention of, of human thought. And only the Christian Trinitarian God, which has a unique theological perspective in all of theology and all of it all over the world, uh, teaches that the absolute necessity of God's work is the only means by which we can be saved and our sins forgiven and not through our sincerity and repentance and anything only through the work of God. And he even grants that we have that faith. Philippians 1 29. So he gets all the glory and he saves whom he wills. He's the one who grants repentance as well. Second Timothy 2 25. That's right, brother. And the faith that he grants us is to believe in Jesus. John 6 29.

And there's the music. So we got to get going, right? Sounds good. Thank you. Okay. You too.

God bless. We'll be right back, folks. After these messages, please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right. When welcome back to the show, three open lines. If you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. Let's get to Joanne from North Carolina. Joanne.

Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Joanne.

How are you doing? Um, well, I'm not going to take your time. Oh, there's bad feedback. Um, but you didn't see in the chat. I've been banned from the show. You've been banned from the show.

I don't know how that happened because we didn't do it. Everybody, this is Joanne. She works with us and she runs the prayer ministry on Karm. So, um, I don't know. Well, you can still, you know, the prayer at Karm.org and it gets to you and you take care of it.

So what we can do is let Laura know and, uh, maybe Charlie and they can figure it out. Um, so that's, that's, so that's what I would say is call them up and see, just tell them because I don't know what you mean by banned. I mean, do you mean on the YouTube account, the Facebook account, the Twitter account or what? Well, uh, okay. And Facebook at what?

At Karm.org or Matt Slick or what? Well, I'll get the notifications, you know, that it's coming on. And so when I, I'm always sitting here holding to talk to y'all and it said you're banned and, um, it told me why and it, you had read hate mail and you know how we all chat and make jokes out of the hate mail. Uh huh.

Well, well, I did that. I made fun of the hate mail and, um, Con, Bill cannot be there. You know, I said, don't make me come to Texas. You know how I always tell you I'm on my way to NASA?

Yes. I know what you mean. I'm sorry.

I'm laughing. Well, you know what? They usually will give you a two week, uh, you know, spanking. You're out for a couple of weeks. So just try another Facebook account or try another, yeah, another account and you'd get in that way. It's all just no big deal.

And you can use a VPN. I got on, you know, you're talking French to me, but I got on math and I said, this is Joanne and I'm banned and you didn't see it. And so Laura saw it and put a wow face and I said, tell him.

And then I thought, well, she doesn't know the whole story. But it's, well, you know, uh, I got, uh, one of my shows kicked off the air last week when we, cause a kit called up and he talked about vaccines and we think that that's why they took that show off. They give us a warning. Yeah. So we're moving into, uh, we're gonna move to, to rumble and some other stuff. We're tired of the, the Gestapo mentality of, uh, of the left.

So that's in the works. All right. Well, they said I'm violent. That's impossible, but yeah, that's impossible, but, uh, you know, it's, it's just, they're just leftist whacko morons, you know, you can't even say a joke and, uh, then they get on you and then they have this, you know, misinformation czar crud that they go through and you don't say something perfectly according to what they think is true. This is, uh, it's really bad.

Yeah, I'm working on a, on something about this on a theological, logical analysis of the necessity of the Trinity as it relates to the one in the many and truth values among other things in the created world and the, um, and the non material world and how if unity and plurality are not equally ultimate, then we get exactly what we get on, on, on YouTube and Facebook. I know I said a lot of stuff there, but I'm working on it. Make it make sense. Well, I feel bad because here I am violent and leading a prayer team and I'm so sorry. I am so sorry. You are not violent. There's no way I will try not to be violent. Well, that was just a joke.

You know, what you could do is just summarize it in letters. You know, don't make me come out there. I've said it on the air to people, don't make me come out there, you know, and I've said that before and people, you know, you chuckle, but the left looks for excuses, you know, to, uh, to, you know, do their, their, uh, their lock step stuff. You can tell I have no, no trust in the left whatsoever. So we just have to deal with it.

They're the ones in power right now because Christians haven't done their jobs. But anyway, go ahead. But I, I just, I'm sorry and I, I just don't want to be sorry about it. So just get another account and just come visit us on another account until the, uh, until the, uh, well, I can watch it on television, but I can't, they won't let me talk.

What an open door. I got to be careful when I say now I can really say some stuff, get myself in trouble. Um, yeah, careful. That's right. Better be careful.

I'll be on my way to Napa. That's right. See, there you go. All right.

I'll be bringing Greek sandwiches. That's right. That's right.

I get threatened with those all the time from you ladies. Okay. That's all right. Well, I miss y'all. I miss y'all.

I really do. And I'm sorry, I feel bad. Don't worry about it. Sign up for another Facebook account. Just go. It's, it's all you gotta do. All right.

And if that doesn't work, just do a VPN. I just did it and told them that it was a joke and that they could even ask you, but they're not going to ask you. No, they don't care. No, they're not going to trust, trust me or anybody. They're just leftist morons and their commies socialists.

They've been brainwashed by the, the, uh, the media and the school system. And so, uh, you know, it's just, it's bad news. Okay. Be careful.

They're going to take me and those off. Who cares? I got more important than the room and I can't even tell you. It's all right. Don't worry about it. You can just text Laura and then she can put it in there. It's we'll work around it, but we're gonna try to get rumble going and then that'll be where we're going to be going mostly. Okay.

It'll happen. May have to say happy birthday, Merry Christmas and happy new year. All right. There you go. Okay.

And happy Valentine's. Okay. Well, thanks a lot. I might be back on before that. Oh, hopefully. Okay. All right. See y'all later. Okay.

We'll see you. God bless. Okay.

Whoops. That's Joanne and she runs the prayer ministry. And if you want, you can do prayers, you know, during these holidays. All you gotta do is just email us at prayer at carm.org and she heads it up and there's a prayer team and she takes it and takes the prayer requests and gives them to different people and they pray.

They actually have a prayer team. All right. Let's get to Josh from Buford, South Carolina.

Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt.

Yay. Hey, so I have a question. I was in a, I'm in a discipleship group with three other guys. And this question came up towards the end of our meeting and I was wondering what your opinion on it. So question is, can God's actions be influenced by our prayers? That's a very good question and it's a very difficult one to answer.

There are different ways we could answer it. If you go to James 5 16, the effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. So what James is telling us is that our prayers can accomplish things. Well, wait a minute. How do our prayers accomplish something if God from all eternity is decreed whatsoever shall come to pass? I don't know how that works.

It's above my pay grade. But we know that the more we pray, the more things are affected. So there seems to be a way that God has ordained that we who pray affect him. But when we pray, it's because he wants us to pray and he works us to pray what he wants us to pray to affect him from all eternity.

And yet we're freely doing it. So there's different ways of looking at it and it's a difficult question. So what we do is by faith, say, the effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. We believe it. We don't understand how it all works, which is okay. And we move forward. That's all.

No, not a big deal. Okay. So it's a good question and I don't have a great answer.

I have halfway semi-competent answers that raise questions when we look at them. How about that? Gotcha. All right. Well, hey, I appreciate it. All right. Sounds good, buddy. God bless.

Okay. The issue he's talking about there, I won't get into it deeply here, but it talks about God's eternal knowledge, eternal decrees. All that exists, exists because of his will.

But there's different levels of will. Decretive, prescriptive, and permissive and what he ordains and what he permits. But what he permits is a form of ordination. But what he permits is not directly caused.

Then we get into the issue of efficient causation, proximate, and ultimate causation is how these things relate. And then we ask, how can God ordain all of these things? And yet our prayers influence him. And we just say, I don't know. And yet God ordains, get this, God ordains that our prayers accomplish much with him because it's what he wanted to accomplish by our prayers from eternity past. So they work.

A lot of discussions have been had over the years about that topic. Let's get the phone number out. 877-207-2276. Let's get to Brandon from Richmond, Virginia. Welcome. You're on the air. Oops, there's a break. Hey, Matt, how are you? I'm fine. There's a break.

Bad timing. Can you hold on? And we'll be right back after the break. Okay, buddy?

All right. Hey, folks, Four Open Lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Hope you're enjoying the show so far. Wow, hold on. Wow, got caught up with a cough out of nowhere.

Sorry about that. I was going to let you know that on the last week of December, we won't be on the air at all. We're taking that week off. And coming back on January 3rd and January 2nd is the 18-year anniversary of me starting radio five days a week. 18 years. Been doing radio five days a week. But I did two years of radio one day a week before that.

So 20 years of radio, I guess you could say. Tomorrow at, let's see, I think it's 3 p.m. Eastern time. I'll be on ABN Sat TV. And we'll be discussing how the world is in transgenderism and depravity and things like that. So we'll be talking about it on ABN Sat TV. And some of the best things going on.

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So if you want to check those out. Let's get to Brandon from Richmond, Virginia. Brandon, sorry about that earlier. All right, man, you're on the air.

No worries. I had a question. You were speaking to a guy, a couple of guests back, in regards to the wheat and tares, and about how the angels gather up wheat and tares out of the kingdom. My question is, what kingdom is that? And where is that kingdom located in context of that Bible verse? Will that actually come back and set up this kingdom?

Or that's the question. So I'm what's called an amillennialist, which means that we believe we're in the kingdom reign of Christ now. The premillennialists believe that in the future, there'll be a literal 1,000-year period. And so the question then becomes, when does Matthew 13, Luke 17, Matthew 24, Luke, Matthew 13, when did they come into effect? As it was the days of Noah, so shall it be the days of the coming of the Son of Man, for they were eating, they were drinking, they were giving in marriage, till the day that Noah entered the ark, the flood came and took them all away. As Matthew 24, Luke 17 says, the flood came and destroyed them all. So the ones who were taken are the wicked. And in Luke 17, they ask, where are they taken?

He answers. Jesus tells them, where the bodies of vultures gather. So the question then is, okay, when does this work?

How does it work? If it's the premillennial view, what they would say, generally speaking, is that is the kingdom of God during that 1,000 years. And that as people rise up and war against God, then he will take them out of his 1,000-year kingdom, and he'll destroy them.

That's what that is. But they can't use what in the field one is taken as pre-tribulation rapture, because it's not about that at all. And they usually do that. They rip it out of context.

I'm so amazed at how people do that and never look at the context, never do parallel searching, and never find out what's really being taught. That's really a bad, bad sign for a lot of churches that can't get that. But nevertheless, in the amillennial position, which is the position I hold, and maybe I'm wrong, but that's just the position I hold, is that we are in the reign of Christ now, because he is prophet, priest, and he is king. And he is reigning right now with us. And he says that his kingdom is not of this world, but the kingdom he's talking of is a spiritual world.

It's not in the physical. It's among the people in whom he is the king and the Lord in this world. And so he has that sovereignty in that sense, and that's the amillennial position.

And so we get to Matthew 13, then we see, well, that means is at the end of this age that the wicked are taken. So each position has strengths and weaknesses. I'll just tell you that. Yep.

You do? That's it. Okay.

Yep. No one position answers at all. And like I said, I'm an amillennialist, and I believe it for different reasons. And I don't think they can answer the questions that I would raise. But then there's others who say, well, I can't answer the questions they raise. And so we go back and forth.

We smile, and we just say, well, we'll find out one day, you know? And that's okay with me. All right? Well, thank you. I appreciate it. All right, Brandon. God bless. Okay. God bless.

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Let me share something with you. This is, I'm going to read Luke 17. So if you've got nobody waiting. And go to Luke 17, 26, I believe it is.

Let's see. And it says, Just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will also be the days of the Son of Man. They were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. It was the same as happened in the days of Lot.

They were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building. But on the day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. It will be just the same on the day that the Son of Man is revealed. On that day, the one who is on the housetop and whose goods are in the house must not go down to take them out. And likewise, the one who's out in the field must not turn back.

Remember Lot's wife. Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it. Whoever loses his life will preserve it. I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed, one will be taken and the other be left.

There'll be two women grinding at the same place, one will be taken, the other be left. Two men will be in the field, one will be taken, the other be left. And they answered and they said to him, Where, Lord? And he said to them, Where the body is, there also the vultures will be gathered. So, it looks like the wicked are the ones who were taken.

Two men in the field, one is taken, one is left. And when we take this and we go to, let's see, where is it? Revelation 16, 13. Now what I'm going to do is read it and I'm going to have a little fun. I'm going to introduce a concept. I'm going to introduce a concept and see if you think it fits. Now, I'm not saying this is true. I'm just saying, interesting.

It's just an interesting relationship and that's all I'm doing is just bringing this out for an interesting relationship. Frogs jump, don't they? Frogs hop over one thing, then another, then over another thing. Revelation 16, 13. And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. And they're spirits of demons, performing signs as go out to the kings of the whole world to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty. Behold, I'm coming like a thief.

Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes so that he will not walk about naked and men will not see his shame. And they, the frogs, gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Armageddon. Armageddon.

All right, now, just going to have fun with this. One is taken, one is left. The three unclean spirits go out and gather them for Armageddon to gather to a place called Armageddon. Now, in Matthew 24 and Luke 17, the one taken, one is left. That's the wicked. And at the end of Luke 17, where are they taken? Where the body is, the vultures gather.

So, just asking the question. Could it be that Matthew 24, Luke 17, is talking about this event of Revelation 16, where the unclean spirits like frogs, the wicked, go out to gather people for Armageddon, which is where the bodies and the vultures will be? Could it be?

Two men in a field, one is taken, one is left. That's the wicked. And what they're taking is the place far again. Now, I think it's interesting. I think it's an interesting parallel. Now, I'm not going to die in that hill and say, you know, that is the truth. That's what you've got to believe.

I don't do that. I say, here's some interesting information. What do you think of this? And to me, that's rather intriguing. I learned this from somebody else years ago. And I remember thinking, wow, the unclean spirits like frogs go out to gather them together. And I've known for years and years that the issue of two men in a field, one is taken, one is left.

Well, that's a pre-trib rapture. No, it's not. I'm sorry.

I'll debate anybody on that one. It's just not. It's not. It's not what it is. Just read the context and you'll find out it's not. And so what bothers me is that they don't read the context.

So many people. Now, that doesn't disprove pre-trib rapture. It just means those verses can't be used for it. That's all that means. Now, since we also have this Revelation 16, 13 through 16, pericope, where the three unclean spirits like frogs go out. Wait a minute.

Did I say that? Let's see. Let's see. It could be the mother dragon, the mouth of this beast, or the mouth of the false prophet. Yeah, three unclean spirits like frogs. Three unclean spirits.

You know, sometimes I'll read something. And why three? That intrigues me. I wonder why three unclean spirits.

Let's see. Revelation 18, two, cross reference. He cried out with a mighty voice saying, fallen, fallen is Babylon the Great. She has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird. So nevertheless, so the guy brought up earlier, Matthew 13.

So it's only got about two and a half minutes left in the show. Let me read Matthew 13, some of the stuff. This is starting in verse 24. It talks about the tares and the wheat.

The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while the men were sleeping, the enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went away. But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, sir, did you not sow good seed in your field?

How then do we have tares? And he said to them, an enemy has done this. The slaves said to him, do you want us then to go and gather them up?

But he said, no. For while you're gathering up the tares, you may root up the wheat among with them. Verse 30, allow both to grow together until the harvest. And in the time of the harvest, I will say to the reapers, first gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up. But gather the wheat into my barn. So here's a question. Is the first ones gathered, being the tares, the same thing as the unclean spirits gathering them to Armageddon? I don't know. In verse 36, they started asking Jesus, could you explain this?

And he does. The one who sows the good seed is the son of man. The field is the world. The good seed, the sons of the kingdom. The tares are the sons of the evil one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil. And the harvest is the end of the age. And the reapers are the angels.

Now that's significant. What is the end of the age? There's only two ages in the Bible, this age and the age to come. So the end of the age will be the end of this age. And he says, so just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.

The son of man will send forth his angels, and they'll gather out of his kingdom all stumbling blocks and those who commit alllessness and throw them into the furnace of fire. Ooh, interesting stuff. It fits in both Amiel so far and Premel views. We could talk about it sometime.

They can narrow it down even further. But hey, I thought they might be interesting to talk about in the last five minutes of the show. There's the music. I've got to get out of here. May the Lord bless you and by his grace. We'll be back on there tomorrow. We'll talk to you then. Have a great evening, everyone. God bless you.