Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Hey everybody, welcome to this show. It's me, Matt Slick. And you're listening to Matt Slick Live. Hey, if you want to give me a call, as usual, it's easy. 877-207-2276.

And I hope you want to give me a call. We can talk about all kinds of stuff. And um Let's see, we talk, well, for the newbies who might be listening. Christian Apologetics is the branch of Christian theology dealing with the defense and the establishment of the Christian faith. That's what I do.

I talk about all kinds of stuff.

Now, tonight, I keep forgetting, I've got to get this together. Tonight, I'm going to be on the. Striving for Eternities show, and I'm going to present some stuff on my eschatological view, eschatology. I hold to what I call depresschatology.

Now, most people don't adopt eschatological positions that are depressing. Mine. Is depressing, and I tell people it'll depress you, you know, eschatology, so I call it depreschatology. And then I think Ziggy is going to get bad. I have my reasons for it.

And hopefully, we will get into that. Tonight and talk about it. I use what's called a two-age model, and I just don't know of any other, anybody else who uses a two-age model. And I think that's critical because if you're going to, in my opinion, if you're going to get an eschatological model, you need to, you need, you must, you have to incorporate the two-age model that Jesus taught and that Paul the Apostle taught. And I just don't see it.

I just don't see it taught anywhere else except yours truly here. And a few others I've actually heard about, stuff like that.

So that's that. Yeah. All right, let's get to Jermaine from The People's Republic of California, welcome. You are on the air. Yeah.

Oh man, you you say that so much I might have to get a T-shirt. That's true, that's true, man, that's true. But uh yeah, you gotta you gotta come up and see me sometime, man. You gotta drive on up, man. It'd be fun.

Yeah. Thank you. I'm going to pray about that in a minute. I'm believing God to open up the opportunity. I will absolutely take you up on coming in for a visit somewhere.

Yeah, it'd be fun. It'd be fun. Yeah, yeah, I can ask you questions in person. That's right. And then you'd want to leave quickly because it it the radio makes it makes me sound good.

Uh it makes me look good. Radio radio does. It's so So in real life, you'll go, okay, I've got to get out of there. All right. You know how it is.

The question I had uh today actually is It's going to be a two-parter because I I um Heard the calls you had with the African-American gentleman over politics, and there's a real disconnect. Yeah, and I I understand Where that gentleman's coming from, and I think I know why, but. One of the issues that seems to be prominent is you have a lot of people who say they're part of ministry And then they they're also heavily involved in politics in Can you really serve? both faithfully because it just inevitably seems like politicians at a certain level are going to lie. And I think that's where we have a major disconnect.

I think there's something to it, but you may not know this. But the early Constitutional fathers in the original constitutions of the 13 colonies required that if you held office, you had to be a member of a Christian church. That's what it originally wrote.

So, yeah, they could. And they could because they believe that their calling from God in that area came with responsibilities to God to bring about the The culmination and proclamation of the truth of God that's found not only in His Word and His creation, but in the political life of all people. and that they held that. And we need that again. We desperately need it again.

But yeah, you can do that, sure.

Okay, and the reason, part of the reasons, I was thinking of a specific person and person, but. In today's politics and political scene, with all the stuff we've seen gone so far, some of them have. The Reverend Raphael Warnon down. And I when I was exposed to what he actually believes, I was personally appalled as a person who loved you know, good theology. And a lot of it is more liberation and you know, some things that I would consider a little bit heretical and I watched him take positions that were Pretty much directly opposed to what will be established Christian.

principles and I don't know if he started out like that, but it seemed to get worse as he got more popular. And then when we became a full floor senator, It was like watching somebody on a on a teeter top and just Just waffling back and forth and refusing to take a certain position. And I think a lot of folks, you know, and I'm not even trying to pick on him, he's just the one I remember, but I see. A lot. of politicians who are so called a part of The faith doing that, and that seems to differ from what the founding fathers are doing, or even what I've seen in places like, of all places, Africa.

Where they were actually very staunchly what you would consider conservative, and they were making legislation to erase perversion out of some of the the areas of their lands because they just they did not want what was going on in the West to happen over there. Yep, uh I'm with you. I I'm with you. The sun. Yeah.

We need Christian people in office all over the place. We do. We need to have the Christians there who won't be. won't be inclined to take bribes. And has special interests, groups, and whatever it is that people have, and stuff like that.

There are just too many charlatans. uh out there. And you know, as it reminds me, I was watching uh some um There's a lefty's losing it thing I watch. It's from Australia. I don't know if you've ever seen that.

Yeah, but yeah, I enjoy it. And. And things the things that the leftists say, oh my goodness, what is mentally wrong with them? there's there's something really wrong. But it's so enculturated in so many areas from the leftist ideology that it's difficult for people to think critically and think clearly.

And of course they don't think uh in a godly way. And um That reminds me that uh New Jersey now there's a law that's on the books or Getting to be passed, or they're trying to get to pass where you're obligated. The homeschoolers are supposed to start teaching DEI to their own kids. Yeah. The leftists want control of our children.

Yeah, they want to control our children. Uh Man. Any rate, yeah.

Well, yeah, and that I don't want to think of all the time because we have other callers, I'm sure, but I don't. Mm-hmm.

Okay, well, I guess I can do it a little bit if you like. I understand. I understand both positions and why it's such a polarizing topic for a lot of people. And I think it's almost like the techniques someone like yourself would use when you're in a debate you're establishing what terms are, what the terms mean So when you say DEI and someone else say DEI, they might be speaking of two different things, but they're arguing from a point a point that they understand. And I know in the African American community, Especially, you know, there was a lot of injustice that went on in parts of the country at times.

Yep. Yep. And so I think the biggest mistake that was made is when These, I don't know what you want to call these cabal of people, when they did. include a lot of African American issues With DEI. You know, they also included the LGBT and other things that.

Traditionally, most African Americans are against. you know, just culturally and and spiritually, but it all got lumped in together. And so when you have you have a lot of people who are very passionate. And on and on both sides where we uh You kind of get into arguments that Don't necessarily belong to the person they're arguing against. Because I've seen your ministry, I just started calling, but I was exposed to.

two years ago and you've been consistent for like over twenty five, thirty years. And you don't embody any of what a lot of people may be trying to to incorrectly associate you with, but I understand the frustration with I guess the current administration what I think as much of a irritant as the president can be. I personally believe he's still better than what we had. But a lot of people are not going to be able to get past Certain associations, even though he used to be, he used to be pro-Opra Wimprey and pro-everything else, he was. To me he reminds me of the the Lex Luthor character from the Superman comics where He's like an entity unto himself.

He's just right now, he's associated with conservatives, but. Obviously some things that Are a part of the Conservative Party currently are not, you know, that wouldn't be traditional Christian. Values either, but there's just a lot less of it than what we saw the previous four years. The previous administration, in my opinion, was so bad. That a man who might be immoral and have some issues like a Donald Trump.

still looks preppable, and that's where a lot of people are having problems.

So I think that's one of the reasons you see so much passion in his arguments. Oh yeah. I I don't have any right now I don't have any black friends, but I have over the years. And we've talked, you know, and and yeah, there there was a lot of iniquities. There really was.

And it's it's a sh it's shameful. But Oh yeah, yeah. To then try and make things right by forcing equity. Not equality, but equity on everybody. It's ultimately a Marxist, it's a communist principle where everybody's equal on level and everybody gets the same opportunity, everyone gets the same results, gets the same this state decides it.

That's communist thought. That's what DEI, unfortunately, has. has uh bedded itself with. It's unfortunate. But Uh You know That reminds me, have you seen the SNL skits?

I don't watch SNL, but where George Washington is talking to the people about the freedom that they're going to have, the ability to do what they want. Have you seen those skits? No, I I haven't watched them regularly in decades. I did catch a few things here and there, and even they started capitalizing on The hypocrisy of the whole equality thing. But I have not seen those particulars yet.

Yeah, it's pretty funny. You know, they'll just spell words differently and it's all stupid, fun stuff. And they have a, I forget a black guy, he's a great actor. He's there in the boat with George Washington and they talk about the freedom of equality of all people. He says, does that include men of color?

And then George Washington just keeps talking about something else. And it's funny because it's reminiscent of the hypocrisy that was there. And it was there, you know, and they brought it out without addressing it. It was humorous, but it was still, you know, good as truth to it. But where we are are now You know, the country's made so much strides, but we don't need to step back, go into socialist programs.

We need to just have every just like Luther Martin Luther said, you know, or Martin Luther King, excuse me, you know, judge people by the content of their heart. And that's what we need to do. That's how it needs to be. And it does. And that's it.

I will say this. I think the the problem is when people hear reparations, They automatically And I've had these same discussions with actual family members a few months ago, and they got very passionate. These are Christians. The problem is I think the African American person is in a very unique position. Because It's different.

We got a break. We got a break. Hold on. Hold on. I'm going to get back with you after the break, okay, buddy.

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Let's get back with Germain. Hey, Germain. Welcome, buddy. You're back on. All right.

Okay. As I was saying, I I um I think the problem is at least for African Americans specifically, is being descended from slavery. You're in a unique position where reparations, if they were given, they'd have to make sense. And everyone usually typically. the people who are pro reparations typically point to what went on with uh the Japanese and target camps and the Jewish nation and and Native Americans.

But The difference is you have a lot of people who my ancestors were brought here.

Okay, so how do you How do you fairly accommodate someone like that. And also, I I personally like this is my personal opinion. If you did something like that. I would think there would have to be qualifiers, and that's the problem. You have a lot of people, I feel like, if you are a part of.

Um any criminal activity against people look like you, then you don't deserve any reparations. If you're an abortion doctor who's aborted hundreds of potential black Sober. You've mass murdered. you know, people, i anyone really but And those are just my own personal things. When we start to add.

goes up and qualifiers and things that need to be you know, involved in you start to see the problem. It becomes a unique situation where You almost don't know who to give what. you know, appropriately. I mean, we have a lot of people who are here. Who may be?

African American, but they're actually from Africa. And I asked a cousin of mine. Before I was uh you know, irritating her enough that she's She made an argument They should just give it to everybody. The reality of slavery is as horrible as it was, Whoever went over at that time to purchase slaves, they wouldn't have been able to do it unless they had people who were complicit in selling people.

So Do people who descended From tribes that sold slaves to slave traders, do they deserve reparations just because of that? And Go ahead. Oh sorry, Cooler? No, no, no, go ahead, go ahead. I was going to say you start to see there's There's so many caveats and ways you can go with it that I think that's a part of why you haven't seen any any form or any attempt to really have any kind of reparations And even over here in liberal California, where Gavin Newsom shot some legislation down that.

that we're going to even entertain that is an option. And it's just It's a more difficult situation than I think people are aware of. And you also have. You have uh You have folks that If we're going to be real, they seem to just want money. They're not caring about what happened in the past or not.

They just want a little cap.

So to me, that disingenuous thought doesn't. qualify you at all. Oh. No, no, no. It's there.

It's a lot of stuff. I've not written on it. I do have some notes on reparations. And. So, you know, I I have a file, government outline file.

It's o only twenty pages long, I got a lot to fill in. But uh reparations require assigning moral guilt to people who did not commit any acts of slavery. Yes. That's one problem. Not all Americans have historical ties to slavery, like re recent immigrants.

My uh ancestors, for example, came over in uh the eighteen fifties to seventies, I think it was, from Germany. And they were in Louisiana.

Okay. So now what? Am I obligated now? And so reparations obligate people to pay for something that they didn't do and they didn't have any wrongdoing.

Well, then people say, well, but you benefited.

Well, yeah, but that's a logical fallacy, assuming that because we benefited from something hundreds of years ago doesn't mean we caused that thing a hundred years ago. And the issue of Of causing of making someone pay for something is they're guilty of something. And that's not the case. And then what about the uh descendants of the slaves who are owned by black slaves slave owners? Because there are a lot of those.

People don't know that. And then there there were Asian Slaves and they were white slaves. People don't know that either. Came over from Ireland and some other places, and they were slaves. and they were white.

I guess we you know, I want some well, I can't now because I I just admitted my ancestors came in the late 1800s.

So I can't get any reparations from them, you know. Just because that's another thing, it's just because you have the same skin skin color doesn't mean that you deserve anything. You know, and uh then it raises the issue of forcing innocent parties to subsidize payments. And it's race-based payments in violation of the Equal Protection Clause. Creating race-based entitlements.

Then there's the issue of statute of limitations. All of a sudden, now, that's something that doesn't fall under statute of limitations anymore. That's unconstitutional. It promotes victim status and lessens individual responsibility, and it increases racial division.

Okay. And like you said, a lot of people just want money 'cause they're lazy. I'm not saying all blacks are, or all whites are, it's just some people they just want Money. That's it. They'll do whatever they can to get it.

Yeah, Phil. Yeah, and then I mean, that's just reality. Heck, I'd I'd like a free check too. But and I think the problem is if if it was subsidized in some way, at the end of the day, could be fooling you into paying for your own subsidy because we pay taxes here in this country we And all I'm saying is I understand the argument. Very well, and I understand the passion.

And you know, usually I get called sellout and all kinds of things by. my uh family, so it's okay, I guess, but The reality is, it's an imperfect situation, and there is no perfect solution. I even heard someone who I very much respect, and he does ministering to children. won't mention his name, but we had a very passionate discussion where he said that it almost wouldn't matter anyway because the atrocities of slavery was so horrible No amount of money. Pay anyone back, and they could only be paid in blood.

And I said, Well, I'm saying that, but uh Well, that exactly. And I say, well, here's the problem you have. I said according to who because When would enough be enough? And does that include you know, white people, quote unquote, who fought in the Civil War against slavery. Yeah.

That includes those well, do what they participate. You see when we start to open this Can of spiritual worms. And then I said another thing. When he's saying only blood was satisfied with them like The problem with human beings is you go so far, I say, What's happening? You're in your flesh, you're upset.

I get it. Crossing tend to do that. They invoke. emotional responses, but what you're saying is in effect something that God didn't say. And you're you're having a criteria For forgiveness, that goes beyond what he established.

The blood of Christ is supposed to be good for. Everybody. Even people who you sold slaves, if they repented. Then that's it. You know, that they're forgiven under Christ.

But. Don't get me wrong, it still invokes emotions when you watch certain things and see how people are treated in the past.

However, I have to look at my Lord and Savior. And remember the lesson from for me, from Genesis, where You know, they're walking towards Sodom and You know, Abraham asked him a question: well, will not the judge of all the earth be right? That's right. And I'm going to trust him to take care of it because If I don't, I get caught up in what I think is righteous. And what I think is correct.

And it goes nowhere. and the anger of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God. Hey, there's another break. Hold on if you want.

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All right, everybody, and welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Jermaine. If you're still there, you're still there, buddy.

Well, yes, I am. Yeah. You know, I said it really fast, but it's James 1:20. For the anger of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God. And Something I learned reading uh a book on marriage uh and forgiveness is a wrong retained leads to resentment, resentment leads to anger, anger leads to murder.

And that the gospel of Jesus is the only way to have harmony and forgiveness. And people need to let go of things. You know, and I moved. 26 times before I was 12 years old, 12 different elementary schools. And my last name was Slick, and I happened to be anorexic because of all of it.

And I have cause to be very angry at a lot of people for the torture that they put me through in a lot of different ways because I was the new kid in school. 12 elementary schools. Mm-hmm.

And so It's left its permanent mark on my soul and psyche.

So, what am I going to do? Am I going to go demand reparations from them? Am I going to go seek an angry kind of justification from them? No. Because I'm a Christian, I let it go because we've all been wronged to some degree.

And who's the one who's going to decide who is get to paid what? Then there this leads to something called blood revenge. And blood revenge was in the Old Testament an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. And it was meant to stop the increase of retaliation.

So, if someone were to injure a friend's neighbor, whatever, say broke his arm accidentally, their friend would come and break your arm, maybe break both arms, to show you a lesson.

Well, then your friends would go break two of their legs, you know, and it would just increase. And so, the eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, called the apoditic law, was there to stop that. It was just stop. You'd leave it at where it was and you stop. It's always our tendency to want to justify our own anger and self-righteousness at the expense of others.

And those who are wronged, whether they perceive it wrong or they are wronged, whether it is or isn't, the perception is what it is, they'll react in a like manner, and this becomes deadly. And so, this whole thing is just a powder cake, and it needs to be put to rest. It needs to be killed. And we just move on from here, and everybody just. Just measure each other on what Content of your heart, your character is, and that's it.

Just go on. Everybody suffered, everybody's benefited, everybody, this and that. Move forward, you know.

So Yeah. And yeah, I 100% agree with you, with what you just said. The only caveat I would add is I think where a lot of people are having issues, you do have some segments of society that want to pretend nothing ever happened, and I don't think that does Anyone any good at all? I prefer the bold and honest truth. Just like when I read the Old Testament, part of what makes me a believer.

Is this stuff a mess? If you're reading the Old Testament, you see some really messed up people. that God happened to disgracefully use And I think that's what legitimizes you know, the the um the authenticity Of that book because no one trying to fool someone would write a book with that many messed up characters. And I think that's another thing that uniquely makes America. actually good.

You know, it's is the fact that we have come from some really messed up stuff in the past. Yep, absolutely. And we're still here and we're still where we are. And you know, you do uh no matter what you do, you're always going to have Whether it be church or politics, or you're going to have some people. who are going to go against the grain and they're going to have their feelings racist, sexist, or whatever.

Only God can deal with them, but as a whole. Yeah, definitely I would not want to do anywhere else. And you know, I another thing there are other cultures who suffered with slavery. I was actually reading a book called The Travels of Reverend Olaf Or Ecclesen.

Okay. Is he basically It was an eyewitness account of his family being taken over by I think the Muslims and the Turks. And he had to sit there and watch his family Be taken away and you know, literally go away on the slave ships. And he gave the detailed account of what happens. Excellent read, and it's on audible if you want to listen, but.

When I was hearing that account, I'm just like shaking. Like, my Lord, how can people treat people like this? Human beings are in dire need of a savior. And I am glad that. God allowed me to be born in the time I am, where I am.

I've experienced that, but I've never w had to watch family get taken away By slavery and men. I'd be good. Yes, we faith to really still praise God. In the midst of all of that, that's something that. I don't think any American is privy to something on that level.

So. I just praise God. And I try to find the best possible Best possible silver lining I can. And again, I think we should have more conversations like this. I think that helps, but.

We also have to focus on some form of not holding on To the past, just not forgetting it, but not letting it define who we are. Absolutely. I really like that. That's it. Look, don't forget it, but don't let it define you.

Yeah. That that's wise. Yeah, 'cause then it If racism, and per you know, personally, I don't believe there's different races, I just believe there's one, it's a human race, we're just different colors and sizes and shapes, and that's it, that's how I view it, and I don't care. Care. I don't care what color you are.

I just care. What kind of person are you? That's what I care about. And that's what we need. That kind of attitude is the biblical attitude.

We need to have that around. The Bible only teaches one race: the human race created by God. That's all. Let's all think that way. And you're right.

But we should not forget the past. Don't ignore it. But don't seek to repeat it by a pendulum swing of enslaving others to pay for things in the past. Because it's just not going to, it just doesn't end well. It never does.

You know. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's good discussion, though.

We have a way of go. Yeah, we all do. You know, we all do. And, you know, I was talking to somebody recently about this. You know, I did mention I moved a lot when I was a kid.

My dad was in the service. And. We had a neighbor and uh black neighbors, and I'd play with the kids, I didn't care, and whatever, and uh, I remember. The first time I heard about racism, it was on TV, people talking about it. I remember thinking.

What is that? And I was introduced to the idea, I think it was 10 or 11, introduced the idea of judging people, not liking them based on skin color. And I remember thinking, well, that's stupid. Even as a kid. But that's where it came from.

The societal norms and the stupidity that permeates society in so many ways. The cure is regeneration in Christ or forgiveness. We've all been wronged at different things. We've all got to practice forgiveness. We've all got to practice letting things go.

Move forward. Keep your eyes on Jesus. That's what we've got to do. Yeah. And I think if you authentically preach by him, if I may say, you know, you're a guy who doesn't take offense, but I think part of the reason.

That you might, if I'm right, I would bet you probably have difficulty getting some traction online at times, which you should have a whole lot more. Museum Part of that, I think I have an answer for, but I know one part is. God equipped you to be honest, and you're seeking Him constantly. You're hearing your comments. You've people may not understand that.

And people may not even like it, but You're someone who I could tell, you don't care what people think. You have a mission, and you're on that mission, you're accomplishing, you're like a special forces soldier for God. Amen, brother. The problem is If we're going to be honest, a lot of people. on multiple factors.

They would never let a person like you or my pastor who's very similar, they would never let you. talk too long because You're going to be convicting them. Jesus is going to be working on them because that's what you're actually seeking. And It seems like there's other motives involved when other people bring up some of these things. They're they're not only seeking the more.

They're not out there for reason they're not just political. There's really something else behind it. Yeah. You know, I'm glad you said that because uh I've actually, we're just talking, now we're just rambling. I like this.

This is nice. Because, you know, uh, The Karm site, I I've been getting it wrong on how many visitors I've had to the site because I've been looking at the wrong column of my n my uh mathematics. Uh I've been it my returning visitors is ninety four million, but the new visitors is one hundred and sixty seven million. Visitors of the site. And you'd think after 20 some odd years of radio and all kinds of stuff that.

You know Got it. A little bit more would be accomplished. And I put a video out today. I'm whining a little bit. You're helping me out.

You don't realize it, and I'll tell you how. But uh I put a video out and I put lots of videos out and they don't get very many views. And I wonder why is it? And I think what you just said is Maybe the reason is because I just say the truth, and people don't want to hear it. They want to hear what they want to hear in different ways.

And I'm not going to try to pat myself on the back, but it's kind of an answer. Your comment there ministers to me.

So I appreciate that. Yeah. And I can tell you another part of it too is where I think if there's a niche you have Available. Another break. Hold on.

Okay, yeah, hold on, hold on, brother.

Okay, we got Lily right back, and uh, we got one. One last break. We'll get back on with Jermaine. I'm enjoying the conversation. I'm really enjoying it because he's showing me things I hadn't really thought of before about these other issues.

And I think that's good. I want to hear more about that. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Jermaine from California. Hey, Jermaine, welcome back. Right.

All right, where were we? You were saying something. I forget what it was. What was that? Yep, just um I I just had some thoughts and ideas.

I I worked And then I guess in quality assurance in that industry, just related between that and what I believe and what I've seen with people I just believe part of the issue and this is just a guess, you know. Part of the issue where I would say some of your your videos and your ministry I think part of it is Telling the truth and how you tell the truth, and that you know, I'm not off in the weeds here, it's related to the original topic I brought up. There are people that don't like Like cold heart too, you know. For me, you're like matchlick cough syrup or medicine with. It's unnecessary.

They hear that they're like, Yeah, there you go. But it's some people hear that and they're automatically like the cost, you know, when you're immature, you're a child, and The thought of medicine makes you grit your teeth and you're fighting. At least my kids at the time. I did it too. But then you get to a point where you.

you desire and hunger for that medicine. 'Cause we know you're sick. And then well, I guess that's a general new sixth and it's late then. You know, you're in trouble and you need some medicine. You need some Venvi.

And I think a lot of people. have become so accustomed To a watered-down version of Christianity and conversations that have been. politically uh politically correctly sheltered to the point where Is just so foreign to them, they don't know how to deal with it.

So that would be a guess. And I had a long email that composed and sent to you that my laptop did.

So I'm not sure what to do with that. A lot of this stuff is all related. It's like it's hard for people to have these conversations. And not everybody prefers to get just hit with the truth.

So yeah, that that would be my guess on a lot of what's been going on.

Well, there you go, you know, and uh I thought it was 'cause of my own incompetence.

So I'll take your version better. I like that.

Sounds good, though, brother. I appreciate it.

So there you go, man. Got anything else? Yeah. I will say I I definitely didn't expect to end up here with one question, but I'm glad we Had a conversation and you know, um I personally I know you're on the right track. It's just You see it's kind of on a slow moving train.

And he never wants to be on turn real, but But I really appreciate you being willing. And I think that's one thing that helps us out as a country as well. people like yourself willing to have the conversation. If you were a politician, you would have Sugarcoated and ran and said a bunch of lyrical mumble jumble and misdirected and. No one's getting an answer, but I far G for at least being willing to have a tough conversation and get an answer.

Again, somebody's going to be unhappy. Not going to please everyone, but at least we gave it a shot, there's two Fisher Brothers who come and get the mother.

So Absolutely. And you know, I I actually like conversations like this because I get exposed to thoughts and attitudes and things that are just ha you know, just not part of me. And I always value that because we all have our own little worlds we live in with fences around it. We kind of guard ourselves.

So this is kind of our nature. And so this kind of an environment, radio from callers from all over, forces me into thoughts and ideas and cultures and stuff I'm not used to. And I've learned to enjoy it and to value I value the statements and the ideas that I'm not used to or accustomed to and might make me feel a little uncomfortable for various reasons.

So I value those as well. You know, I do. Yeah. And I did want to say I actually I do, even though I may disagree, I appreciate that caller. I brought up this point of view because we are Americans and we get to do that.

But at least he would we had the courage To to call you up. and say exactly what was on his mind. We have so many people. That are so tooth-based, and trying to think of the plentiest terms I can for radio, but. They're used to just Just pointless conversation.

And to me, this is the worst kind. You're smiling at someone when you know full well. We disagree, so I appreciate that person for bringing up his point of view.

So do I. If he hadn't done that, I don't know if we're having this conversation right now.

So that's true. Breakfast everybody. That's another good point. That's true.

Now you make me want to go on the view and see if they'll have me on. We can talk. Oh, they'll run you out of there with flamethrower. That's true.

Well, I do like science fiction, so there you go. All right, brother. All right. God bless you, man. Appreciate it.

You too, man. God bless. Appreciate the call. Or that was Jermaine. Yeah, I like Jermaine.

He's a good guy. And it was a good conversation. Let's get to. Let's get to Jacob from North Carolina. Jacob, welcome.

You're on the air, buddy. Hey, Matt, how are you today? I'm doing okay, hanging in there and just having a good conversation with Jermaine. And he's got a lot of good ideas, a lot of good stuff. Enjoy it.

I wasn't expecting it, but I caught it. Um I agree with everything y'all are saying. Um We're going to judge each other on the pigment of our skin is insane. That's right. But I just wanted to say to all I have all kinds of brothers out there, but to my white brothers out there, if you got angry at any of that.

That was just said. There is a there's a movie they made And I didn't watch it because it was crazy, but the preview is pretty much the opposite. It's the white man is own the slave block and it's just opposite it really makes you think, you know what I mean? You really don't understanding too, maybe you see it. Or feel it for your own and and uh It's just a preview that...

I will just go ahead. It's one of the privileges and the power of visualization, particularly the media. But you know, Whites have been enslaved for thousands of years, also. It's all over the world. It's still every every every person every type of person has And I would say for with the United States, I think we overcame it awfully quickly.

um quicker than most That's interesting thought. It's two, I mean what? 1860 so 1600s they probably s started. But a hundred years later, and uh, what, half a million died in that?

Well, seventeen seventy you know, the country was founded in seventeen seventy six and roughly, you know, roughly a hundred years later the Civil War occurred over the founding of the nation. I know we were probably bringing bringing people over from the s you know, the Start as the The trade out there in the sixteen hundreds. But either way, I think we took care of it quickly. We got out of Jim Crow quickly. And now they're trying to get us to be divided so we're not looking up at them.

Right. That's the way I look at it. You know, I do have a lot of black friends, and we have a lot of conversations and Sometimes we just have to say, Hey, we don't we agree to disagree? Or within we always say, hey, Just as long as we got God in our center, we'll be all right. That's all right.

That's right. And these kind of conversations are worth having as long as they don't result in anger. Because anger. unforgiven and unexp undealt with can lead to violence and murder. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. And I know I I was uh I don't want to say I was born or raised a certain way, but I was very ignorant as a young a young teenager and man, and I think God has put certain people in my life. recently in the past decade, to turn my butt around.

Okay. But um I did have one question and I'm trying to think about it. Oh, so you know the whole woman pastor thing. Right. So I was talking to a buddy of mine the other day Because he he he starts up non-denominational and stuff.

Right at COVID, and anyway, it failed. He'll get back on there. He won't fail. Um, but I I was talking to him about the woman pasture thing and he was like, Well, He was like, I always ask people What if you were on a desert a deserted island and the only one person who knew scripture was a woman, are you gonna tell her to be quiet and not teach? And I was like, you know, I've never looked at it that way.

I just wanted to go to the teacher. Women can teach, they can do all kinds of things, or it's not to be in the church in an authoritative position over men in ecclesiastical structure. They're not to be elders, they're not to be pastors, or not to be deacons either, according to Scripture. That's because of an ecclesiastical structure. If you're on an island and a woman happens to know the scriptures, then let her teach the men, raise them up to the level where they can then take that proper place.

It's not a big deal.

Well, every time I bring it up with a lot of the women or anybody who disagrees with me about it. They always say, well, it was written to those people at that time. And I'm like, Yes, but are you gonna we're gonna say that about all scripture? Yes, but 1 Corinthians 2:12 and 13, I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over man, but remain silent, for Adam was first created.

So he ties it to the Adamic order creation of God Himself.

So it's not a cultural thing. That's how you respond to that. Yeah, and also, if they want to say it's just a cultural thing, well, then I guess you can dismiss anything you don't like and just say it was written for that time. But it ties it into the created order. And not cultural norms.

So, really, really, really quick.

So, to start with my in-laws, they were Catholic, they saw the light. They didn't go to church for a while.

Now they're going to a non-denominational led by a woman. Good. And I don't want to speak to 'em. They need to get out. They need yeah, they need to just tell them it's not a biblical position for them to go to a woman pastor.

Well, I tell them that, and they're like, you know, whatever. Yeah, I know. Yep. All we're saying is obviously not getting through to 'em. Give it time.

And just ask them: do they take the Bible seriously? Ask if they really take it seriously. What do they do with these passages that say an elder must be Anirmias Gunaikas, a man of one woman? A husband of one wife. How's an elder, and the pastor's an elder, 1 Timothy 5:17, how does a woman fulfill that?

I know what questions to ask them, and they don't like that. But that's just what it is, and they need to repent. Women are not to be pastors and elders.

Okay, fair enough.

Okay. Oh, I know the music's about to play, so But I appreciate it and um I had one more little thing, but I can call back tomorrow with that. Yeah, we got one minute before the show ends, so Okay. Sure, really fast.

So sometimes I've I think I've heard you say, and you correct me if I'm wrong. you know, people toss in and doing this and that, you kind of question if they're even Christians. No. I I say, look, I say, if it's excessive, I I tell them, you know, Colossians 3, 8 through 12 says, remove all abusive speech from your mouth. And if they continue, I say, out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, your heart seems to be full of vitriol.

It Is Christ there? When I ask these kinds of questions, I want him to think. But anyway, go ahead.

Okay, just thank.

Okay, 'cause, you know, we were forgiven at the end of the day, but I got you. And you're you're going to do with the heart. Uh have you ever heard of a saying, um something of the heart is the root of all Yeah, the love of money is the root of all evil. But out of the mouth of the heart, the mouth speaks. Matthew 12:34, Jesus says: So what's in you comes out.

And if you're full of vitriol and foulness, then that's what's in your heart.

Okay. All right. Okay. All right. All right, brother.

Appreciate you too, man. Thanks for calling. All right, Jacob. Hey, folks, be right. No, you won't be right back.

There's a music I want to say. It's my auto thing. I'm on autopilot half the time. Hey, the music's going to start. May the Lord bless you and by his grace.

We'll be back on the air tomorrow. And I do plan to be out there in North Carolina the weekend of the 15th, 16th, 17th. I'll get some information on that for Monday, probably Monday. Where and who, what, and when, all that kind of stuff.

So may the Lord bless you and by his grace. Back on air tomorrow, and we'll talk to you then. God bless. Another program powered by the Truth Network.