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May 19, 2022 6:22 pm
The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network mass like why is the founder and president of apologetics and research what is found alive you have questions about Bible doctrine is a max like why France is called the respondent your questions and listen. That's what life was so clever that intro is Mexican my real name. For those were newbies. If you're wondering, no, I learned to run as a kid because of that name.
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All you gotta do is dial 877072276 and the just let you know and about three hours on the clubhouse from the trial Wednesday night thing will regular was and I think where I'll be answering questions and I do the same thing on radio, but in that kind of environment is more long discussions that we can occur. Maybe some of my call up and ask his baptism necessary for salvation and I'll show them versus not to ask this and go through is not like be a radio show were things have to become a moving a lot and constantly so that's not a big deal but this would be doing tonight and all kind of topics will be getting into stuff because a lot of people there hate Trinity, the deity of Christ to Christianity. There are those who say that God is not a Trinity, but as one. They say baptism is necessary for salvation.
Roman Catholics get in start saying that the Roman Catholic Church is the way the truth and the life of the Eastern Orthodox do the same thing believe these orthodoxy to be safe because it's the true church and a whole bunch of stuff we get these discussion talk with atheists. And that reminds me, so I have been working on an outline and really sits in a while on Bluesky sound complicated but on this on the foundational aspect of the ultimate from which all facts must ultimately derive and how the nonpersonal non-Trinitarian world. You cannot account for the it so it's sophisticated to be working up an article on that now want to go step-by-step.
Try to explain things. This could take me a while to do it and just say this talk about this stuff. I'm also working on an outline on baptism know what I mean by that is I actually what I do is I collect a lot of information with with an outline's and work. I mean a lot and so do this for years and years and years and my outline on baptism is 36 pages long, that I should cut short for a lot of the outlines I do what I'm doing is converting most of it but most of it to a single webpage to create a section on car and called outlines and then outlines on atheism outlines our Catholicism out things on varying things so that they can be used by people who want to go in and have lots of references and information notes similar to the cut-and-paste information you think about it maybe just added to that just make it to the cut-and-paste section. I just haven't outlines a subsection in their public bath be the best place. Keep it simple as I think a lot about this whole thanks what I trying to do is give a lot of information for people so that they can have quick information, quick understanding of things. References versus over the years I've given my outlines of a couple of topics to some people and that's it. Take a look at this and you think, and I've had people. To some it is to great very helpful and so I'll be working on that and I spent about an hour today working on the outline baptism.
I'm only I would say fifth of the way through formatting the formatting right, making it look good links in the words of Jesus in red try to make it logically organized so that people can see things and do short links and stuff but either you go. All right now beautiful collage you want to give me a call 87772276 and if you go to carman.org/calendar that's/calendar you'll see that today at 9 PM Eastern time. You'll see all bent clubhouse and entry questions and there's a link there you click on its can open up have a picture of two guys myself as one of the other guy. He's just he's just the moderator and so I need to meet his picture up there because it will confusing people like YouTube so anyway will do work on that is the first time are doing tonight and I hope you enjoy. Join us, because I did something we could go on Roman Catholicism on clubhouse and oversight around 700 people looking through and it was really popular so people are saying let's do this that lot going on and will get the culture because you do that you talk about neutral but we have four lines 877-207-2276 is good to busk men from Ohio Buckman welcome you are on the year they got married. It's always a pleasure glad someone thinks that that's good hey I've got a question for you Mark burn number one John chapter 10 okay, Jesus is the shepherd. All we are that she now does the hired hand, represent what you figured that the hired will school context, the shepherd was someone who had a flock of sheep or herd of sheep. I guess it is better better word, and they were trained to recognize his voice. This is really important, why people don't know this but you could have several shepherds and they would meet and there she put all intermix will how you tell apart the different shepherds would just move over to a certain area. You don't hundred feet away from the group and is called in his sheep would filter themselves out of that broad group and income to him and that's what Jesus is referencing is so my sheep hear my voice this is what he says in John 1027 my sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me. That's the cultural historical context of what Jesus is talking about when he talks about the hireling he's talking about is someone who doesn't care for the sheep because the shepherd also would have their head tends out in the middle of where they work wouldn't have roots necessarily, but the pens were low bourguignon okay the pens were often stones, you know, very high so that the sheep would go in through a single door and they would be inside there and the shepherd would lay down in the door so that a wolf or whatever predator would comp have to go through him to get to the sheeter so Jesus is says he's the sheep she's a sheep. He's the door and the shepherd of the sheep enter through him. And so the one of the group the duties of the shepherd was to guard the sheep from wolves and from creditors. So now you will more context. Okay, so now were talking about this with the hireling is a hireling going to risk his life for those sheep now does the hireling's voice call the sheep know so when he says the hireling.
They come in and see where is that trying to find a second show you look more about it actually save you on the door of the sheep asked John 10 seven all who come before me are thieves and robbers. The sheep did not hear them on the door. If anyone enters through me will be saved and go in and out and find pasture. The thief comes only to kill and destroy.
All right, so on the good Shepherd….Like that for the sheep so that he could see like I see what's going on in verse 12, but he was a hired hand and not a shepherd who is not the owner.
The sheep sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and fleas of the will snatches them and scatters them so he flees because he's hired hand is not concerned about the sheep. Jesus taught us of who the heart has okay now the hired hands ultimately will be false teachers who will lead Christians astray, so it be people like Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Joel O'Steen arrived Joseph Smith, Charles days, Russell Mary Baker Eddy and they will be false shepherds really teach damnable heresies heresies that technically I don't know if Joel's dues are taught damnable heresy, but he's just every Copeland's thought about were being gods and Jesus died for sins and paying in hell listed as did what you just mentioned your name Joyce Meyer. She says if you believe that you can't be saved as a false gospel and so there are false teachers out there that's what is talking about Soderlund false teachers okay so it wouldn't be anybody that would be boarding over hope would be a fall shepherd cart okay Catholic priests would be shipped. False shepherds generically speaking.
So would the docs priests be false shepherds and the reason is because they don't preach the true gospel. The preaching of false gospel and so therefore they're not true shepherds because are leading their so-called sheep to eternal damnation to destruction. That's not what shepherd us make sense that makes great world. Click the my credit report about false.
My problem when there does she not obey the hireling eating the parent wonder they do not follow the authority that can vary. For example, you could have a person is Roman Catholic and is following all the Roman Catholic sacerdotal requirements for salvation resting in the hands of the priest and all the idiocy that goes along with and you could move that person is born again. Trust in the true Jesus and doesn't trust all his stuff and then might still go there because doesn't know any better and signal something just not right and gradually leaves because they don't hear the voice of the of the true shepherd so that it could happen you know people can be in a place and it just takes a while this I don't I don't recognize that something's not right and they go. I'm looking for the true voice and this also is is interesting because the Catholics and Eastern Orthodox want to claim that their churches are the ones who gave us the Bible. How do you know with the offenses authenticity.
The Bible is less, it was a for our church telling you and I always go to this I say we recognize Scripture my sheep here my voice. That's what it says and I know them and they follow me eternal life to them. We recognize the voice of God. We recognize what's inspired we don't declare it to be inspired.
We don't declare that Jesus is the shepherd. We recognize that he's the shepherd we recognize the duration of Scripture. Absolutely what they want to do is say that the church gives the authority of the shepherd to be the shepherd is essentially with her knowing not Scripture is basically look at my heart, right and so they'll say that we gave the Bible but then how do you account for the Old Testament because the Old Testament was given by their church that their true church. Another see it's always the same.
It's always another only true church. This is how false religion were the only truth.
Whether restore this or that is the same old thing all okay buddy got it all right and oblast. I was from Ohio. If you want to give McCall all you have to do is now 877-207-2276. Be right back Matt Flynn why call 77077 charismatic slave may have noticed little to dead air because it was a little glitch in the matrix was repaired during the McCall throughput lines 877-0776. Let's get to Leon from here. I don't know what he got there, are correct. All I wouldn't trust God written on them, and I wouldn't trust right and is reasonably so, for example, in in regards to the doctrines of grace and reformed theology which is the sovereignty of God. God's rights of moving graciously upon his people and he opens our hearts and our minds, etc. it's also well he says this. If the if that doesn't get you excited. This is this is an after he does is what he says," a church's church is a church for the overlooked for the unlovely preach Jesus all people far from God can know Jesus and then we train them up so that others can know Jesus is called kingdom multiplication is what elevation church is all about. That sounds pretty good.
Then a little bit later. Joey says if it doesn't get you excited and you need the doctrines of grace, as defined by John Calvin to excite you, you win the wrong church, let me get a phone book. There 720 churches in Charlotte. I'm sure we can find one that you can stuff your face until your so obese. Spiritually, you can't even move. When he did was disparage the doctrines of grace and that's a very serious error. Not that Calvin is always right. He brought it up, and this is a huge error on his point to big mistake was in doctrines of grace. Dr. yes look at the doctrines of grace online and see what you find. Okay and what it is, is that God is the one who alone is gracious and he has the sovereignty to be gracious to whom he desires to heap. Alexi predestines he calls he works.
This is called the doctrines of grace and it's very biblical right now. He also unfortunately supports women pastors and elders and that's very un-biblical cycle I can't trust anyone who's gonna affirm that and TD Jakes is a man who denies the Trinity and at TD Jakes websites it says there is one God, Creator of all things in fully perfect, eternal, existing three manifestations others in Holy Spirit.
That's wrong. It's not three manifestations of three distinct persons. This is typical oneness teaching. So therefore TD Jakes is not qualified to be a preacher in any church and then sues what verdict says about TD Jakes quote I want you to stand up on your feet right now.
Let's welcome to the stage. The greatest preacher of our time. Bishop TD Jakes come on and show him some embarrassing love. So this tells me of verdict could argue his way out of a wet paper bag theologically. He doesn't know what he's doing so he insults the sovereign grace of God. He promotes women pastors and elders. Others are stuff I got the documentation I haven't checked everything out and expand this article I will and he he approves of a heretic who denies doctrine of the Trinity and hasn't come. It was great church, only you, but the site people sometimes think that's people like myself are to uppity about this kind of stuff that we divide over things I don't need to be divided and my my admonition to them is is really something that these things are critically important and that they Glaxo very impaired are. That's right.
And are you not. I teach on this a lot and it it's important so they look that all sounds good. Great black like Matt did not know you will help me get away from it all joy because you know doctrine noted. No, I don't want to hear. Take what I want. Great truth. There you go compromising a little thing compromising a little thing leaves a compromise in a locked is just how and so people they don't think that these particulars in Scripture that necessary will if they're not, then why did God teach them so I got a ghetto all glory to God for your ministry. You will okay care what anybody you know I would and we tried contacting the different people that we write about and generally they never returned to never return emails don't take cuts try to context, even for to try different people over the years in on a just never cook so we do as we analyze them based on what's going on but if by any chance this gets back to him.
Glad to have a sit down with him and go over biblical theology and do this now that sounds arrogant, but some of us are very trained and and studied in these areas that are important and I'm not as good as him at elder things and he's as good as the other at some other things so let the people who are strong in particular areas do their job and I'm not the only one who exposes Stephen for tic and others for teaching things I should not be teaching a course in Scripture.
What happens is people don't want to listen to the perspicuity that's the clarity and the authority of Scripture and the they say things they should not be saying and they go with testimonies.
They go with. There's another thing is coming up more and more is God told me. And so when God tells us that all was that I would warn what was you better watch out God you want to think. It doesn't mean people look it doesn't mean it can't happen as I believe it certainly cannot have an instance of my life where God ought to say, communicated to me that he was going to deal with me harshly fighting repent and it was communicated to me that's a statement in a faithful way. I was hearing voices from God aggressive subjective feeling in my heart you know and then you know and you hear me say things like for you last night. It was a spring had this vision of God and went to the throne he was talking to God.
You know this is a lot viscous delivered it just it's insane everybody you we have for the lines. If you want to give me a call. You do is dial 877-207-2276 want to hear from you.
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About that opportunity will apologetic mark okay yeah so I will kinda want to unite an opportunity out in the part. I'll grab one for you interested or not, but well I got there I thought on the line. I thought back to you. Maybe go over things like what the best approach to deal with than what the that that God deity of Christ like. What would your be approach for being dumb and this yet their Buddhist monk W tough one because what I would do is I would ask them questions about the nature of truth and one of the sayings and shells sophisticated to get in the argumentation, but because their Buddhist basically their atheists and so sometimes I'm thinking here so that our there depending on depending I okay ask them what the ultimate, the ultimate truth is because of you to believe intrusive certain combinations of things in the philosophical manner that relates to actuality. This what Buddhism does. So it's it's basically atheistic, but it believe that their concepts and ideas are almost platonic in some areas, sort of things I'll be doing is asking what is the ultimate truth and talk about what is ultimate. So if something is ultimate. That means there's nothing next to it.
Now how it's even do this when you have something that exists you have a fact you have something you're a cherry or in sitting or tree next to you whatever it is we call it a fact. What gives that fact its existence is the tree there existing, because it just grew. What what caused it to grow with the seat would exceed government on the tree so were talking about is justifying a causal chain justifying a causal chain because nothing that exists exists independent of other things.
So a tree exists in the context of the world in the context of the planet in the solar system, etc. will.
Where did the everything come from what's the ultimate basis that provides the source of all actuality and potentiality. That's what is coming to the ultimate source of where it all started from where the tree come from the seaward at sea come from another tree with the treacle from the receipt and go back and back over to come from and so this issue works and relates to atheists, Mormons, Catholics, Calvinists anybody and everybody because we exist in a world of facts, logistic facts, for now.
Actualities of things we can touch, but there are particular instances of trees all over the place. So what is the ultimate. What is the saying that is behind everything. If we say it was only two possibilities. The ultimate is one thing, or many things, but logically speaking of many things are the ultimate and there is no ultimate so you don't have one ultimate, beyond which nothing exists beyond which nothing is greater.
Otherwise, it's not ultimate with me. Yeah, yeah, I'm falling. I figured framework dart frog hi Matt, I figured I never collect on earth you would you be interested in something like that going on call with you to do that and see whether coming from.
See, this is a basic principle and it's tough to conceptualize but in Buddhist Buddhism. They should be able to get it they can have principles and ideas that you have to go, but I would ask is for them to ground the truths that they stand on and base their Buddhism on what grounds there.
Truth and ultimately the ultimate grounding has to be personal or impersonal, and impersonal ground on doesn't work and so this is how we undermined basically all of all systems and what I except you drive another question yeah I do with the way grabbing guard your are gonna work out there. I don't know where the you know, for lack of better terms Orthodox booted like where on the realm of them will that playing the part. Talking with them.
You have to find out where they are, in particular so you have to ask questions and just ask him what are the basic beliefs you hold to in your Buddhist philosophy say things like reincarnation and karma. Talk about that because I believe that the soul exists and that it it goes forth in different levels nominally ask where the soul come from negative say it came out of the the ultimate one that provides the existence of all the souls that have to go through karmic reincarnation in order to learn them and ask him about that ultimate what is it.
Is it conscious or not conscious is a personal not personal.
And I'm also asking us to guess works this is just a summative ways of doing things, and ask him is is it one thing or many things because if it's one thing the new ultimate is one. That means the essence of ultimate truth is one.
How then can you have particular manifestations of souls, because if there's only one ultimate thing, then how does it have particular manifestations of something because then the ticker manifestations become the ultimate standard for us and it is more competent, but these are some of the issues I'm actually trying to do in the past few couple three weeks is learn how to articulate these in very simplistic terms so that they can be grasped and understood. And the reason is because if someone can learn these. They can they can apply to any secular and theological system. Anyone of them and ultimately get her mind because the only one that can't be undermined is the Trinitarian presupposition okay typically are arguing about Gord you'll go from there.
Right every guy will typically go with atheists. I will ask them to justify the assumptions with which they argue or I will pass them to provide a rational framework to justify something that they don't realize is soon as they start that there presupposing the universality of the laws of logic because without them we can communicate You rational. I then pointed out that they are there presupposing the laws of logic which are abstract principles abstract principles occur in the mind.
How is it then that different individuals can apprehend and utilize multiple how can that different individuals apprehend these particular manifestations of these laws what must be in place in order for them to be able to justify them. What's the ultimate behind the reasoning with the law often do is say the universe is the ultimate but the universe is impersonal and enters upon the materialism of the relation of the physical brain and garbage in garbage out the status of refuting, but I can get into the issue of if the ultimate is impersonal.
How does the impersonal ultimate produce personhood, how does it produce truth since truth occurs in the mind. Truth is personal because it's no morals or personal because they're experienced we don't find truth or morals under rocks, so I'll ask him if you're ultimate that means is nothing greater or beyond say the physical universe and asked what brought that into existence letter issue with a presupposed at him and asked him to verify the presupposition. They can't, and then just for kicks and giggles, a mistake can you demonstrate from your presupposition how the impersonal brings out the universal personal attributes of truth. They cannot billing out. I question after the break break hold on to what already a functionalist cut a complicated stuff on the learn how to break this down even more. As I groaned, I learned apologetics for the lines. Give me a call 877207 why call 770771. Everybody questioned different topics. Matthew 2327 where Jesus talking with her on whitewash to so that the that the verse back and start that the verse rethought our we were in a church and revisiting the church here.
And the pastor said that the word is never mentioned in the Bible as a spiritual date for some and we confronted him after we talked or more of the bed church in the river that and he said well that's an analogy you know that fit.
He stuck to his first thing that in the message. What what you think about that.
I'm not sure I understand the issue is the you look will only backup start. He mentioned in the methods that the word to is never mentioned in the Bible as a relating to someone physical body or Dino are sorry spiritual state that each is related to your physical body or regarding a body not sure it is or isn't. I am confused word to whom he said is not is never in reference to a physical body that is never reference to a virtual date it's only a reference to a physical body.
Well the word occurs seven times and you are like whitewashed tombs would describe as you build tombs of the prophets, Mary Magdalene, Mary sitting opposite the tomb, therefore gave orders tomb to make secure and he went made the tomb grave secure same word Sabbath came to look at the grave open it.
Their throat is an open grave. Okay okay so the question or the statement was is not reference to the physical body, knowing that it wasn't mentioned spiritual only.
Only the physical body, so when I my wireless contract you get yeah and he fell back a week afterwards. Beneath it all know that an analogy referring to that package you he says of the scribes.
You are like whitewashed tombs. Would you saying is inside of you is filth because but the Jews would do if you could not walk over or touch a grave because you be unclean and go through ceremony to become clean and so they would whitewashed them so that you wouldn't approach them or step on but that's what he saying whitewashed tombs using on the outside your clean but on the inside your filthy and rotting so it is definitely a a reference reference the internal current condition what I thought we would describe spiritual and the only response was that an analogy and then he quickly started talking about the thing out to my wife even got a little embarrassed but will that was my question is for me and this is the pastor said this is the pastor their throat is an open grave at Romans 313, the greatest tomb, so it is in reference to what comes out of their heart their speech with their tongues they keep deceiving, so is calling them dead inside their open grave say their throat is an open grave speaking filth and an falsity's and that they themselves are like whitewashed supplicants or whitewashed tombs and so we have two instances that the 25th 27 and Romans 313 where that is the case, so he can't say it's not in reference to that. So he just can't do that if you want to say to analogy the sick good analogy what's in it, what's the analogy representing the what is one thing relates to another as an analogy does okay so what is the grave, representing about the person their throat is an open grave, with their tongues they keep deceiving, the poison of asps is under their lips. What is the grave in reference to in that context. By analogy than he won't want to. I would bet that little take you back.
He seemed a little prideful when he responded to me in that way and that's why my wife is a little embarrassed about my question so I would've if I probably wouldn't have gotten that I might add that next question like that like what is that record what analogy reference here, but the kind that you were looking furniture is turned off. Yeah you know you know yeah you know nothing of an example of anything of humility, but remember Bible study once this is just representative I think of how were supposed to be and at least in this one instance I manifested all the safe that way was teaching a Bible study.
This guy came to me and he said that look one disagree with you that something you said last week. Okay, no problem. What is it he said I think you made a mistake really show it to me.
It was like oh yeah jerk show tumulus. If you can't, it was all right. And because I'm not perfect and maybe don't have it right in and he sat there for two minutes.
I forgot what it was but he sat there for two months and explained to be very respectfully, very patiently, and I looked at him and I looked at what he said is it you know what is it you're right I did miss that. And he was shocked. He says are you serious you how I think what you came up with is was better than what I understood. He stared at me in disbelief said you have problem with that is not at all if I'm wrong. No, and I thought it was right and now I closer examination, I think that what you said more accurately represents the point of the text and then I brought it up to the to the group of teaching us is this what I taught last week and you know so-and-so came up and he said this and I think he's right was go over this problem somewhat okay. There already go further with I don't know like that but I don't know what liquid no I don't know if I'm good I'm you know me can innovate the faith. But if I don't meet him face-to-face.
At least make sure I lick them back. The methods make sure it's right and then maybe and then maybe that will get better understanding of kind of late coming from and if you like you you reacting humility maybe three if you wreck you always rack react in a humble man and a right to blow it.
I'm working on that now I know I know you still you know, I know your okay will that case if that's the case you forgot so bragging and there is a right well you know what I'm teaching on online I try to be patient and I actually try and listen and I'm always I was trying be open to what people are telling me because I will.
I learned a long time ago and I don't have all the answers but it's really correct me surely from Scripture and also okay Shirley for the word of God because I better make sure I'm submissive to the word of God and that's what I wanted to so well ozone in the bill bill set in the chat room.
He says Metzler can actually walk on water.
If it's frozen so it is a little throat that's not perfect. I don't believe it for a minute itself.
So we have for the paper over there all yeah, let's go get my wife in there so she can learn how great I am, that's what think you know what is wisdom, especially my wife, not knowing how great I am, people, radio segment, your great uncle called my wife that is his business look like I can tell you wife your husband's awesome.
She said that he put you up to this show stated this would call and said you were great. Really, that how did that happen really strange so oh well, alright, anything else that ought to take a path that showed it's okay we would have the callers weeping right now so it's no big deal. Dinner could go for, but if not that's all right I set up right now you know the book armed your schedule for the month.
So now this began the other yet will know you have any translate minute that I may not work with the trancelike for me in your work with and if you preach with translators or interpreters before and talk with interpreters and it's it's a little little unnerving because your thoughts flow of thought going to get a stop and go and stop this is what it is you know, that's okay. Okay I found your brother will God bless you my friend in Dublin all right okay will we have nobody waiting I was going let you know that hey folks, by your grace, gracious donations and support were able to stay on the year and I don't talk with us very often and I really don't see my wife and complaints not complaint but you don't mention it enough you and others. It said the same thing hungry.
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