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And you can just type in the subject, let's see, radio question or radio comment or something like that. All right, having said all of that, we've got nobody waiting, so get this. Christmas time. And so my wife and I, we have three daughters, and you guys out there who've got kids know how different your kids can be. And, man, they are just so radically different and just amazing.

Same parents, but, man, they're just different. Well, at any rate, it's hard to buy gifts for them and they kind of like different things and we know of a store in downtown Boise that has a lot of different stuff in it. So my wife and I went there yesterday and spent a good time out there. She managed, and we got stuff.

But there was a section of the store that was new age-y, and I was delighted by some of the stuff. And I'm going to read some of the things and the sayings they had. And what I did was I took pictures of it. And so what I'm going to do is actually show some of these on the camera.

Radio, you can't see, but if you're in various rooms, you can. And here's just an interesting book title, The Book of Pendulum Healing. Pendulum healing, wow.

Charting your healing course of mind, body, and spirit. And when I read stuff like this, I just start smiling because I'm like, yeah, that is awesome. It is awesome heresy. It's just, it's dumb.

You have a pendulum and then it swings and you ask questions in the ethereal presence and then it gives you a yes or a no and that's how you get healing directions. See, that's how it happens. And so I love that kind of stuff because it's ridiculous. All right, it is.

I'm sorry, but it is. And then there's these, there's a big, like a tapestry, right? And it had a bunch of patches sewn onto this tapestry, this thing.

It's about a foot and a half wide or so, foot wide and six feet long. It has all these little sayings embroidered in the patches. So I took pictures of them so that I could talk about them on the radio.

All right? And you can tell, I get excited about stuff like this. I love stuff like this. Now, I'm sad that they believe it and that people are going to hell and that's not what makes me happy at all. I don't want that, but I'm just put together a little bit differently and amen to that, as a lot of people say. And so I really enjoy, how do I say this, dumbness in religion.

Just things that just are ridiculous. Here's one, okay? The third chakra or the third eye chakra. My mind is open to new vision. I expand my awareness through my higher self. Now, to me, that is a delightfully lame statement. My mind is open to new vision.

Really? What is new vision, seeing things differently? I expand my awareness.

What does that mean? To expand my awareness. So no, I use glasses that don't give me just 180 degrees vision to give me this peripheral stuff, so now it's like 300 degrees vision. That's how I expand my awareness.

No, no, no. No, what it means is through my higher self. What's a higher self? And how do you know it's higher and what is a higher self? And what they define higher self is, and this is new age stuff, what they define higher stuff is, is whatever I come in contact with in the ethereal plane that helps me understand the chakra balancing energy fields. And then you'll ask them, well, what's that? I don't know, but I like it.

That's how it works with them, okay? There's nothing to it. There's nothing there.

There's no substance, all right? What it is is you can make something up. I could do this. I could do this. I could take a bunch of words like third and I and chakra, mind, open, new, vision, expand, awareness, higher, self, truth, honor, universe, echo.

You could put all these things in there, throw in some verbs and some adjectives and things like that, and then pull them out in an order, try and make them make sense into a sentence. And you could, then you go, that sounds good. Yeah.

The third harmonic blue vibrational sequence gets me in tune with my higher chakra self. Put that on an embroider. You could sell it.

You could make money. Because people walk around, they can look and they go, oh, yeah, I like that. What does it mean? I don't know. They don't know. It just means whatever they want it to mean.

It's just ridiculous. Here's one. This is the throat chakra. I am aligned with my highest truth. Now there's more. What is your highest truth? First of all, what is truth? And what does it mean to have a higher truth?

No. You believe in high truth, right? No, I believe in low truth. I like low truth. Truth low is good. I like low truth. What do you like? I like high truth. So what is this stuff? The highest truth.

You take a tape measure, a celestial tape measure, you measure it up, you know? And it goes on. Okay, wait.

I need to read the context. I am aligned with my highest truth and communicate this with love and honor. Wow. My words echo softly within the universe.

Oh, man. My words echo in the universe. The universe is like 90 billion light years across, and my words echo in the universe. Well, you know, to echo means it comes back to you.

There's a wall or something like that, you know? So to me it's ridiculous. You know, it's just dumb. These things are meaningless statements, okay? My words echo softly within the universe. What the heck does that mean?

It's like, you know, like some monkeys on a three-day tequila binge started typing stuff out on a typewriter, and then this is what they came out with, okay? Man. Here's another one. The heart chakra. My heart is open to receive the energy of love. What is the energy of love? Besides a New Age song. What's the energy of love?

You know, if I love my wife, it's not an energy. You know, hold on, hon. Hold on. I'm going to face my chest towards you.

You ready? We've got six feet between us. Here. You feel the energy of my love? You know? What is that?

It's ridiculous. The energy of love. I radiate this essence. Oh, man. I radiate the energy of love.

Do I need a Geiger counter? Oh, you radiate it. Really?

Is that from your chakra aura balancing sequence from the ethereal plane? Oh, I walk my path with ease and grace. Oh, man. They're nonsense sentences.

They're nonsense. Oh, man. Let's go to another one. Solar plexus. Solar plexus chakra. Now, just so you know, in New Age philosophy, a chakra is an energy focusing point in your body. Anyway, so it goes on.

My will and divine will are one. Now, that, you know, if I was at a New Age seminar and somehow they said, are there any critics in the audience? I read in my hand.

Can you come up to the mic and ask questions? Yeah. Okay.

And then, you know, I get my phone and read this. My will and the divine will are one. Okay. So what's the divine will? Well, it's the will that's divine. Thank you.

That's very good. Well, what is the divine will? It's the will that is in all of us. All right. And what is a divine will?

Well, it's the divine will in all of us everywhere all the time because we don't know what it means. We're just saying stuff. That's what it would be.

Okay. And that they're one. They're one and the same. So that means they're claiming divinity for themselves. My will and the will of the divine are one and the same. Oh, man. The arrogance of this foolishness. Wow.

That's amazing. I am connected to the abundant flow of the universe and easily manifest my dreams. This is like pantheism. You see, pantheism is the view that God and the universe are one and the same thing and that we're part of the universe and therefore we're divine in our essence and our nature. So, therefore, we can have divine thoughts and divine energy flow. And so I am connected to the abundant flow of the universe and easily manifest my dreams. I bet you these guys who are saying this, I wouldn't be surprised if there were atheists writing these things.

I could see a bunch of atheists at a bar. Hey, Bob. I got some ideas.

I want to make some money. We make up New Age sayings and we sell them as embroidered things in New Age stores. Hey, that sounds good, buddy. Let's do it. Okay, let's make up some stuff. First, another beer. Okay, this guy. I got one.

Eutheria Universal Chakra Energy Balancing Through Meditative Toenails. That works. You know, and they just embroider it on. They take it to some New Age place. Okay, we'll sell them.

That's probably what's going on there. All right. Oh, man. Okay, hold on. Sacral Chakra.

I love, oh my goodness. You know, you have to be a professional like me to do this because these are so nonsensical and to try and make sense of them. If you're not mentally trained, you could hurt yourself. I could see somebody walking by a store reading these things and they go, and then I can't think. Now, what's wrong?

He said one and his brain tried to figure it out and it didn't work. And the corpus callosum vaporized. Gone. Hey, I'll read some more when we get back. Oh my goodness.

So much heresy. So little time. Hey, we'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome to, welcome back to the show. I'm having fun. I'm going to do one more of these things on the last list. Oh, I got another one down already settled and then we'll get to the caller.

So I want to finish up this sacral chakra thing or the new age stuff. And I love these state sentences. You know, I mean, they're just weird. I love all dimensions of myself. And when I think about that, I love all dimensions of myself. It makes me wonder, is the dimension of your brain different than the dimension of the rest of your body? Because they're in different dimensions.

They're not working right. And if you think about it, what if the dimensions of your body are in different places or different organs are in different dimensions? The dimension of the stomach and the dimension of the brain.

You know, I love all dimensions of myself. Well, what if, let's just think about this. What if you have a dimension of the stomach that's not in harmony with the dimension of your brain and you eat spaghetti? Then spaghetti's in there, but it's going to get a limp and that dimension's not really working. And then you have some soda. Well, soda and spaghetti don't get along in that dimension. And then all of a sudden, eat a candy bar. Well, they're not going to get along.

And then the stomach's going to say, all right, everybody out. Get out of here. Because it's the wrong dimension.

It doesn't work. It doesn't match with the brain, with the feet. I love all dimensions of myself. Now, maybe they're talking about mental dimensions. Well, that would be a mental dimension.

You know, sometimes I think right, sometimes I think wrong. Sometimes I'm over here in the fourth dimension when my time reference, essence doesn't comport with what I'm thinking and saying. That's why we have sentences like, I love all dimensions of myself. Do they mean, oh, I'm happy. Am I sad? Those are dimensions.

They're not dimensions. Anyway, I delight in weaving the creative tapestry that is my life. That's a fortune cookie saying. I delight in weaving the creative tapestry that is my life.

Yeah, well, I'll tell you, there are a lot of snags in that tapestry. All right. Well, fun. Let's get to Ryan from Pennsylvania. Ryan, welcome. You're on the air, man.

Hello, Matt. Thank you for taking my call. I'm doing some research about presuppositional apologetics. And I have some things written down here about what the claims of presuppositional apologetics is. And I would like to run them by you, if you don't mind. And not only have I accurately pinned down what the claims are, but I'd also like to know if I'm wording these things as a presuppositional apologist would word them, because I would like to get the language exact.

Would you mind if I ran through these? Okay. Okay. Claim number one, that presuppositional apologetics is a rational or logical defense of Christianity. Yes.

Is that true? Okay. Yeah. That all worldviews, except the Christian worldview, fail to account for the laws of logic. The Christian worldview is the only worldview that provides the basis for all logical and rational thought. Yeah, I would say that's true, too. Okay.

Number three, that non-Christians must borrow from the Christian worldview to use logic, science, or any intellectual endeavor, thus any rational or logical critique of the Christian worldview is a proof that the Christian worldview is true. Yeah. A lot of people like that approach. Yeah. Okay.

Is that worded the way it should be worded? Yeah, that's good enough. Yeah. Okay. Biblical Trinitarian theism is the only worldview that can make consistent sense of reality. Yep.

I used to do that last night in a chat room. Uh-huh. Okay.

Okay. That biblical Christianity, the Christian worldview, presents the only preconditions for epistemology. The only ultimate preconditions, because there can be preconditions that people have, but they can't justify the preconditions. So people can have preconditions that aren't justified that then provide an epistemological basis. But justification of their epistemological presuppositions are the things.

That's what presupposition is. Okay. I'll reword that one. Yeah.

I'll reword that one then. Christian worldview conforms to a transcendent reality. Yeah. Uh-huh.

The reality of God's essence and nature. Yeah. Uh-huh. Okay.

That the primacy of the Christian worldview is proven by the impossibility of the contrary, which is something I got from Bunsen, as well as from Van Til. Yeah. I like that. Yep. Uh-huh. Um, that is, without presupposing the Christian worldview, there is no possibility to prove anything. Uh, when we take proof, you know what grounding theory is, right?

Justified true belief. Sure. Okay. So, you know, without, you can't ground anything without, ultimately, without Trinitarianism.

That's the view. Okay. So, is that an accurate way of describing it, or should I change the language on that? Say it again. That is, without presupposing the Christian worldview, there is no possibility to prove anything. Yeah.

I'd like to say there's no possibility of ultimately grounding any facts and truth values. Okay. I would say something like that.

You know, ultimately. Okay. That the laws of logic are unchanging, universal, and transcendent?

That's an assumption we have. Yep. Okay. Um, and here's the last one. That the ontology and epistemology of religious truths are the same ontology and epistemology as scientific truths.

Uh, I would not say so. Because scientific truths are based on materialistic presuppositions, which are philosophical in the scientific method. But the, um, the Christian worldview is, is, is not philosophical. It's, uh, presumptive in the revelation of God.

So philosophy of science is a revelation of man in the method, methodology of approach of induction, deduction, experimentation, hypothesis theorizing, where, uh, I would say with the presuppositional issue of Trinitarianism is by revelation and not by deduction. Okay. So it would be, um, accurate to say that it is not the case that the ontology and epistemology of religious truths is not the same ontology and epistemology of scientific truths? To say it's not the same that it's not is double negative, which means to say it is.

No, hang on. Um, is it, is, okay. I, my original thing I'm just saying, are you negating this? Are you saying that the ontology and epistemology of religious truths is the same ontology and epistemology of scientific truths that you would not embrace that? No, for one thing, it says religious truths.

It doesn't say Christian religious. So. Well, okay.

Okay. Let's, let's say the ontology and epistemology of Christian truths is the same ontology and epistemology of scientific truths. Would you reject that or accept that? Yeah, I wouldn't accept or reject cause I don't know what it means really, you know, because it gives me impact.

Um, what's unclear about it? Well, ontology and epistemology are related, but epistemology, uh, deals with, uh, knowable facts and stuff that are knowable within a certain context, but all, all facts exist in a context which trace themselves back to an ultimate cause through a related causal chain. And so what's the ultimate standard or the ultimate beginning of that causal chain? Well, that applies to science. Yeah, that's an ontological issue.

But out of that, we have no epistemologically one base because we can only know epistemologically out of the, the transcendental necessity of laws of logic by which we can have identity and truth values. So they're related, but there's differentiation. Am I, okay, so how, uh, should I word this differently or to that, um, or, uh, how should I, uh, approach this? Cause it seems to me that you have said, um, uh, exactly when I got this from you and your discussions about, um, ontology and epistemology. And if I'm misrepresenting it, uh, I'd like to know how I'm misrepresenting it.

I won't mention the context I was saying stuff, but I would say that ontology and epistemology are related. I wouldn't know exactly to what point. Cause that's really, cause it's a statement is a really good statement worth a lot of examination. That's all I'm saying. Hey, we've got a break. So hold on, man.

We've got a break. Okay. Hold on. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. We have an open line. If you want to give me a call 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone. Welcome back to the show. Bottom of the hour. I hope you're all having a good time listening and let's get back to Ryan. Okay, go ahead.

Where were we? We were talking about ontology and epistemology. And like I said, I'm trying to be precise about exactly what the claims of presuppositional apologetics is. And so that's why I'm trying to press you a little bit as to exactly how you would word this, that it would make sense to be accurate representation of presuppositional claims.

So apparently the one that is a problem that the ontology and epistemology of Christian truths is the same ontology and epistemology of scientific truths. Is that something that that is an accurate representation? Well, I would say the word same, that that's what's problematic for me. They're the same. It means they're identical. But what was the, we had, say it again, say it again.

There's two words I want to draw out of it. Say that again. Okay. Rather than saying the same, I'll say identical. That the ontology and epistemology of Christian truths is the identical ontology and epistemology of scientific truths.

No, I wouldn't say that. No, because science is a philosophical approach to learning about materialism, the material world. It presupposes universals in order to do that. But the materialists themselves don't presuppose God.

And so we do. And so they're not the same. They're not identical.

They have different beginning points. Okay. So that is one that you would not agree with. Yeah. Yeah.

I would not agree with that one. Okay. All right.

So I'll cross that one out. I want to thank you for letting me run these past you. And thank you for correcting me on these things.

And to get the wording correctly. So, again, thank you very much. Okay. Sure.

Any time. Thanks. Okay. All right.

Thanks. You know, I have my notes, folks, on presuppositionalism. Let me read a paragraph, which I need to perfect, but I'll read it to you, because it's just in my notes. Presuppositionalism is the area of Christian thought that assumes the position that the Christian Trinitarian God and the truth of Scripture, it assumes them, okay, and then argues from that perspective. When you do that, everything makes sense. It is a position that the only way to make sense of anything is to presuppose the Christian Trinitarian's existence. The Trinity is the one in the many and, as such, is the only way to ultimately ground all facts, reasoning, morals, and our existence as they relate to universals and particulars that we experience in the material world. I know it's a pretty heady sentence or paragraph.

I'll work on that. But that's really what's going on. Anyway, I love presuppositional apologetics.

When people tell me that it doesn't work, and they say, I don't like presuppositional apologetics, I say, why would you presuppose that? With the drum, you know, the poof. And most people don't get it. And I really think it's great. But at any rate, let's get on the air with the next longest wait. Jamal, Jamal, welcome. You're on the air, buddy. Hi, Mr. Slade, thank you for taking my call.

Always a pleasure, sir. I actually have two quick questions, and possibly quick questions I'd like to ask you. One of them is, what is it to be a Calvinist? What does that mean? It means that you believe in the sovereignty of God and that in the Trinitarian communion, the Father elected or chose people to give to the Son for redemptive work, and that the Son came to earth to redeem the ones given to him by the Father. And in that, we have an acronym called TULIP, Total Depravity, which means that people are sinful in all areas of their existence, heart, mind, soul, body. They're not as evil as they can be, but they're touched by sin in every part of what they are. And because of that, they are not of their own sinful free will able to choose God. God has to work on them.

God has to do something with them. And then U, T-U-L-I-P, TULIP, U is unconditional election, which means that the Lord God does not look into the future to see who will pick him under certain circumstances. Then he chooses them based on that. That would violate the independence, the aseity of God. And it would show favoritism of God. L is limited atonement, which means Jesus only legally bore the sin of the elect. His blood is sufficient for all, but he didn't atone for all. And there's reasons for that in the Scripture.

I can show them to you if you want. And that even though the blood is sufficient for all, he only legally bore the sin of the elect. The elect were transferred to him, limited atonement. I is irresistible grace. It doesn't mean we don't have free will or we can't resist God. It means that at the point of regeneration.

That's what is significant. When it comes time for a person to be regenerated, the grace of God moving upon you cannot be resisted. He regenerates you. And I give you verses for that. And then perseverance of the saints, P, that you don't lose your salvation, that God by his grace works in you and you persevere through all things and you are saved.

That's what Reformed theology or Calvinism is, okay? In a nutshell. I apologize. I was trying to get to my notes. I got the T from you. It's okay.

It's all right. Well, how about this? I'll tell you what you can do. I have another website and it's called CalvinistCorner.com. And you can go there. And there's all kinds of information there.

And it'll explain everything with scriptures. And just so you know, yeah, I believe in the five points. And I do. And if you don't, okay.

I didn't even know my wife believed in them for like, I don't know, 20 years of our marriage. It just, you know, whatever. And I finally asked her one day. She goes, yeah, I believed her for a long time. I said, you did?

She goes, yeah. Oh, okay. So I believe it, but I don't push it on people. Why I resent, though, is when people push their Arminianism. And they say that's how it really should be.

Then I'll tackle them and I'll try and shut them down. But there you go. So you can go there and you can check out that stuff. There's a lot of deep topics on that site. You'll learn from there. Okay? And if you have challenging questions.

Okay, I'll just touch down. Yeah, you can ask me questions. Well, you know, I figured you could handle it, especially after that last conversation.

I feel like you guys are talking another language there. Yeah, I've been defending it for over 30 years, so I know it well, you know, the scriptures and stuff and the arguments. Yep.

Yes, sir. Other quick question is, how do we know that the books of the Bible are canon? Because Jesus says, my sheep hear my voice, and they followed me.

10, 27, 28. The voice of God is his speech, his word, and it's the Theopneustos in 2 Timothy 3, 16, the inspired breath of God. We hear the voice of Christ. So the Christian church, because it's indwelt by the Lord Jesus, John 14, 23, then recognizes the voice of God in the scriptures. And God, through his sovereignty, worked through the true believers everywhere in church councils, in back rooms and upper rooms or whatever to bring to fruition not only the writing of the scripture but the recognition of what was inspired. The church did not give us the Bible. God did. The church did not, by its authority, say this is true. God did. The church's job is to recognize what is already inspired.

So when John the apostle, for example, wrote the first words, you know, in our case, John 1, 1, the beginning was the word. When he first wrote that, the first penning of those words was inspired of God. We don't make it inspired. The church doesn't make it inspired. Oh, I'm declaring it's inspired.

No, you don't do that. We say, oh, that's inspired. How do we know? Because it just is. It comes from God. How do you recognize it?

I don't know. I just do. I recognize the voice of my wife. I recognize the voice of my children because I've spent time with them.

I recognize the voice of my Lord because I've spent time with him, and it's in the scriptures. It's not in the Book of Mormon. It's not in the Doctrine and Covenants. It's not in the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. It's not in the Koran. And when you read those things compared to scripture, they all sound like people trying to sound spiritual. It doesn't have the truth of the voice of Christ, the shepherd whom we follow.

But other people will follow after other shepherds, Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell, Mohammed, and their false shepherds. Okay, so that's how we know, all right? Got you. A really quick follow-up. I apologize. This will be the last one.

Sure, it's okay. What did we do with that Henry VIII thing or debate where he tossed out books of the Bible? They were never tossed out. They were never tossed out because they were never in.

Okay. People say they're thrown out. That means they were included in before officially by God, and then they were tossed out by people. Is that what you're saying?

And God goofed and wasn't able to guard his word? Is that what you're saying? Come on, you know? All right, okay.

Just raising the argument of some people, so I kind of know how to counteract that. All right, so that's another question. All right, I'll probably have to call back another time.

Call back tomorrow. Thank you very much, Mr. Flick. Yes, sir. All right, man.

God bless. All right, there's the music. We're coming up for the last segment of the hour. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

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We talked last night. I'm preparing for a debate with the Hebrew Israelites and the Judaizers. They say that Christ, when he said he's the end of the law, he doesn't mean the total end. He means the end game, like we're not totally sanctified. They're saying that he was the end of the law, meaning that he's the end game.

He's leading us to the end game. You're talking about Romans 10.4. Christ is the end of the law, and the Greek word is telos.

Teleology is the study of design because it has a goal, and so the word can also mean the goal. But for Christ is the end of the law for righteousness, and that's the issue. They're going to bring it up, Romans 10.4, and you say end of the law for what? Well, for righteousness, and righteousness is something we need.

That's the Greek dikiatos. So it's the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. So if you believe, then the law is done. You can go to Galatians 3.24. It says the law is a tutor that leads us to Christ. I don't know if you know the context, but it's a tutor that leads us to Jesus so that we might be justified by faith.

That's what the issue is there in Galatians 3. I know that's helping you, but that's what's going on. Yeah, I'm going to have my hands full. There you are.

What I would suggest... You know what? Hold on a second. I know. You gave me a lot of scriptures last night. Thank you. What I'd like you to do is email me at info at karm.org because I've got some stuff on scriptures that I think I can just put in a paste, cut a paste into an email and just send them back to you. We have a lot of stuff.

Okay. My friend here in Kansas City gave me the sacred name Bible that they use. So he had one. He got it from the sacred name people in Bethel, Pennsylvania. Yeah, you have to... Yeah, he's got their sacred name Bible. I have that, so I'm going to use that against them.

From Bethel, Pennsylvania, it's... Yeah, I'll send you the link in that email. Okay. That's what they're using and I'm going to use it against them because they're trying to come against me.

And again, this thing's helped. I think most Christians need, like you are, prepared to give an answer. And I don't think most Christians are prepared to give an answer. No, they're not.

Most Christians are not. But it's because they don't do this kind of stuff. They're prepared in different ways for different things.

So what I do... It's difficult. Yeah, it is difficult. It absolutely is. It challenges you. Yes, it does. And demons come against you and oppression comes against you, but you've got to wade through it.

You got that right. You know, in my Roman Catholicism file, which is an outline file, okay, and so the verses, the scripture references that I have, they will use different ones. I'm going to do the same thing with the Black Eburger light. So just the verses section, I have 138 verses that the Roman Catholics have used specifically in order to substantiate their heresies.

And so, maybe 130, because I put some other ones in there that I could just go to. But you see, the thing is that they are going to, like the cults, are going to work to try and make their own righteousness. That's what we're going to do. Right. I have an illustration I give.

Go ahead. Right, if Christ was the end game, and like a goal line, and sanctification is a goal line, they're trying to say they're the same thing, and that's not true. Christ ended it. There's a difference between Christ fulfilling and we pursuing, and I don't know how to get there. To fulfill the law means that the law of the Old Testament prophesied about him, John 539. You search the scriptures because in them you think you have eternal life, but as these I bear witness of me. So the Bible is about him.

Let's go to Luke 24, 44 I think it is. Right. Okay, and so when it says he's the fulfillment of the law, the law is about him.

He fulfilled the birthplace, the birth time, et cetera. All this stuff. That's what it's talking about. There's a concept they're not aware of called federal headship. You need to get into federal headship.

Yeah, I know, I know. Okay, federal headship, and you need to do the verses. We talked about James 2-10, Galatians 3-10, and the issue of representation, and Romans 7, 1-4. That those who have died in Christ, Romans 6-6, Romans 6-8, are freed from the law. And that's how, Romans 10-4, that's how Jesus is the end of the law. That's what it means.

For righteousness. Right, and it's not an end game of the law. It's not a goal line of the law.

No. That's what I'm getting at. I know, but they're going to use the word. They'll do this. People will do this.

There's a principle. It's called semantic domain and then illegitimate totality transfer. Semantic domain is for people who listen to it.

No, semantic domain means a word has a range of meaning and different usages in the Bible. So what they'll do is they'll take a usage from a different place and transfer it to another place. That's called illegitimate totality transfer. So that's what they're doing. So I call them out on it.

I say it's an improper exegetical technique called illegitimate totality transfer. That's what you're doing. And I call them out. I call out their problems, their logical errors repeatedly.

And another thing I would do if I were you is take notes. As much as you can, I type like 60, 70 words a minute. So during debates, I'm typing. I'm typing what they say so I can go back and say, I said that. No, I didn't. Yes, you did.

I wrote it down exactly as you said it. And so I'll do that. Well, I'm praying that the Holy Spirit give me utterances as I'm called upon to debate him tomorrow night. Thank you, Matt.

You've totally answered the questions and the way that my friend answered them. And we've got the Holy Name Bible here. He actually bought one years ago here in Kansas City and he gave it to me so I have that so I can prove that I'm reading from their Bible and they're wrong. It's going to be over my head.

Different groups use different Bibles. So you've got to be careful of that. But, man, I'll tell you.

I want one. Now, here's the thing. I've got to give you some advice, okay? Okay, please.

You're going to mess up and you're going to second guess yourself and you're going to have regrets. Oh. And the reason is because... I've done that before. That's what happens with me, too.

It's just what happens. Don't worry about that. You do your best. You get your notes and the weak areas that you find, you go study them. And then you prepare yourself. You get yourself an outline and do that. That's what I do. That's why I have so many outlines.

I've learned so much by not doing as well. And then afterwards, I'm like, man, I should have said this. I should have said that. That's just normal, okay? That's normal. So you're okay. Don't worry about it. You're going to do great, all right? Thank you.

Praise God. Okay. Sounds good. All right. All right, brother.

Let me know how it goes. All right. God bless. Okay. Okay.

This is Dave from Kansas City. Everybody pray for him. It's a spiritual battle. It takes a lot to be able to wade through these things. You have to have a lot of stuff memorized or at least read at your fingertips to be able to answer. It's not easy.

And not everybody's called to do something like that either. Let's get to Sarah from Charlotte, North Carolina. Welcome. Welcome. You're on the air. Hi there, Matt. I appreciate you taking my call. I really enjoy your show. And you did have me cracking up earlier about the whole New Age, you know, mockery.

I grew up with that my whole life, actually. And by the grace of God, the truth has set me free. So you are correct. I am a massage therapist, have been for 25 years. And that is prime time in that field.

So unfortunately, it's just constantly inundated when you take continuing education classes. And the emotional aspect of the chakras is what I used to believe in based on emotionalism instead of the truth of Jesus Christ. So Jesus Christ has set me free. I thank you for that.

And God bless you and your wife, of course. But I wanted to ask you, a lot of people justify using marijuana. I've heard it in the Bible as justified as, you know, God gave us all the herbs in the earth and the green herb of the field and that kind of thing, Genesis 1 29, Genesis 30, and then Genesis 2 5.

So how do I refute that when it's taken out of context? Because it talks about, you know, every green herb for meat. It does not talk about altering your brain psychoactively with cannabis.

Well, here's the thing. Okay, so I've never done any drugs in my entire life. I've never smoked pot. I've never done any of it. I just never have. Okay. Good for you. You're not missing anything. Yeah.

I know people who have and, you know, it's like whatever. But, however, in Proverbs 31 6, it says, give strong drink to the man who's perishing and wine to the one who's in distress. So there is a medicinal aspect to alcohol that's prescribed in the Bible. That shocks a lot of people, but it's there.

So what do we do? Let's just talk about marijuana, for example. Now, I will never touch it. I have no desire for it, and I don't want to ever touch it. Now, my wife, however, I'm not saying she does it, but I'm just saying she has a lot of medical problems, and there are certain elements that we know about.

We've researched at very in-depth that's within that plant that can be extracted from, yeah, CBD, that can be helpful. I don't have any problem with that medically. I don't have any problem with that at all. So what? It's fine. And so that's okay.

But the issue is, I don't know if she has or does or whatever, but I'm just saying it's this kind of thing, which is okay. If we can extract certain things out of medicines, out of plants, mushrooms also have some incredible healing powers. I've watched studies on them, and they're just scraping the surface of how useful they can be. I've heard that there are tribes in the Amazon in some areas of the Congo. There are tribes, and I know they're sending people to study them in Amazon, these tribes. They can go to plants, and they can say, this plant heals this, and this plant heals that.

And it's remarkable how accurate they are. Okay, fine. No problem. So I don't have any problem with things being used medicinally for the purpose of helping people.

That's not a problem. But if you take stuff recreationally, because you just want to have your brain altered for fun, now you're opening yourself up to demonic oppression, and that's a problem. Exactly. It's important for the demonic to enter psychoactively.

Injectables in particular, right. We used to have a friend back in high school, and he got into pot, and of us four buds that were hung around, he's the one who got involved with it, and he's the one who did the least with his life. I don't know if it's a relationship, but he lost motivation. It's true.

You lose motivation. You use cognitive function. So how can I refute that when someone justifies it that it's written in the Bible when it's really not? So it's taken out of context.

It is and it isn't. You get to go through. Well, we're out of time.

There's the music. Call back tomorrow. Let's talk about it some more. Okay. Well, thank you, sir. I appreciate it. God bless you.

God bless you, too. Hey, sorry, John. We didn't get back to you. I want to hear. Are you going to pay a compliment? I want to hear it. We'll talk to you tomorrow, everybody. God bless. Another program powered by the Truth Network.