Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at carn.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live. If you want to give me a call, As usual, all you got to do is dial 8772072276. And we can blab. And if you want, you can send an email to me also.

Info at carm.org, info at carm.org. Put in the subject line, radio comment, or radio questions, and we can get to you.

Alright, we got nobody waiting right now. I got questions I can get to, or I can just kind of let you know about a little bit of an income. Not a big deal. I went on TikTok last night and I did what's called a live. And that means I just start a video and people come into the room.

And uh that we have discussions. Yeah. And I have to keep control of the room because we don't want people to come in who, you know, three, four, five, six, seven, eight people all at once. And then they just start blabbing and over talking.

So we've had that problem before.

Well, these two atheist guys came in last night, and they were. One was let's say obstreperous, yeah, and the other one wasn't. But it was interesting is both of them did the same thing.

Something I've encountered so many times talking with atheists, and I mean so many times. It's the idea that they don't want to present anything from their own view that can be examined. And uh So, you know, this one guy, you know, he would tell me about some stuff in the Old Testament. Yeah. And he said he didn't.

Are you. He asked me: do you approve or disapprove of what God does? And I said, well, I think what God does is right. And um That's all I would say, you know. And uh he wanted me to commit to something.

And I asked him, I said, Well, are you giving me your opinion? Are you telling me that what God does is wrong? And he wouldn't commit.

Now, atheists know better. You see, they know better than committing, saying, Well, it's wrong. Then I'm going to slash them, right?

Well, then, what universal standard do you have by which you can judge this? And they know that because they don't have a standard.

So, the only thing they have is their opinion. And so, I would say to him, Well, okay, so that's your opinion about something.

Okay, now what do you want to talk about? And he got upset with me because I wouldn't engage him. And I said, well, you just gave me your opinion. What do you want me to do? I mean you're entitled to your opinion.

So now what do you want to talk about?

So I did this to the two atheists. And let's just say. They didn't like it. What they do uh they they prefer is uh someone who will uh tell them that they're wrong so that they can then attack uh the Christian. And I wouldn't play the game.

And uh this guy, one guy got upset with me and uh He says, Oh, is this a script you're using? And I said, Well, we all use scripts one way or another, rehearse whatever we say and do. I said, You're the one who wants to try and trap me. I said, I know what you guys do. And I said, I'm just not giving you the ability to do it.

You know. Why don't you just ask me something specific? Or why don't you make a statement? And then we can see if your statement is viable or not. And he wouldn't do it.

And this is the thing I've noticed about atheists is They don't want to really argue and discuss things. They want to only attack. And I find it most really interesting. I really do. In the literally hundreds, maybe thousands of conversations I've had with atheists over many years.

What I've discovered They will hold positions that that they want to say cannot be attacked. cannot be assailed. They don't want to defend anything.

So they'll say, well, we just lack belief. We're not committing to anything. It's just a lack of belief. And I say, well, lack of belief is belief because you behave based on what you believe, not what you don't believe.

So if I were to ask you what's your position, and you were to say you lack belief in God, and I say, well, the Bible says God exists.

Well, then, if you just lack belief in God, you shouldn't say he does or doesn't. You should just say, well, you just lack belief.

Well, if it's lack, that's nothing.

So what are you going to argue from? From your nothing position? And so atheists don't like talking to me because I don't play their stupid games and I know how to see through them. And like I said before, what they always want to do is have me make a statement. Like if I say atheism, can't this or can't that, then they want me to justify all forms of atheism.

everything and all the time. And Yeah. Then, what I'll do sometimes is I'll ask atheists, okay, what's your particular view inside of atheism? Because I want to know who I'm talking with, what your particular view is, so I can direct my arguments to you and your position. And he says, nope, I'm not giving my position, just atheism as a general rule.

And this to me is disingenuous because they're not interested, as is obvious, in real discussion. I think what it comes down to is they only want something that they can. continue to use to justify their denial of God. That's what I believe. They can't do anything.

Uh To substantiate their position, and so they just want to go in. I think it's to make themselves feel better. I think is what it is, is uh to attack Christians. And to attack Christian apologists, and then be just be dissatisfied with any answers that the Christian apologists would give, and just say, well, he couldn't answer the question.

So therefore my atheism is is valid. And this is the kind of stuff I find pretty common among atheists. At least that's the opinion I have about their motives. I think their motives are disingenuous themselves. Anyway, that's what discussion I had last night, a couple of them.

And then people got in and we started talking other things, baptism a little bit and some other stuff. There for about an hour and a half or so. I do enjoy just answering questions. I thoroughly enjoy just people saying, Hey, what about this? What about that?

So, if you have a question and you want to give me a call, you can 877-20. Seven. 2276. I want to hear from you.

Now, since we don't have any callers right now, and you can send me an email, like I said, to info at carm.org. Info at C-A-R-M.org. You can email me there, put the Soviet line radio comment, radio question, either one of those, and we can get to it.

So, what I'm going to do now. Is just get us some emails, some questions that have been. Sent in. And we we've had a lot of a lot of times the same topic will come up. Here it is again.

I have a youth who uses dream catchers, and I'm looking information on some apologetics and mysticism. Uh so dream cappers oh man dream catchers are Native Indian designs that are supposed to help you not have bad dreams, supposed to thwart off bad dreams. And so this is an occultic practice to have an object that you put in your room or your car that wards off evil spirits. This is a form of sorcery. It's mysticism.

And so as Christians, we need to stay away from that kind of stuff. Don't put dreamcast or catchers in your car in your house. See, because we dream better, that's bad. If you just like the design and that's all it is, well, okay, yeah, we like the design.

Some people like Indian art, some don't, some like African art, some don't. But if you like it and that's it, then no big deal. But as long as you're not using it for the purpose of thwarting negativity. And that's another thing. Is um I've been to uh new age conventions and um I still remember still remember at one booth I was at, I was talking to two new agers, and they were talking about negative energy.

And I've always thought that was really interesting. What is negative energy? And apparently, it has something to do with attitude.

So, attitude is: you know, if it's bad energy, it means you're wishing harm.

Well, logically, an energy doesn't have personhood, doesn't have. characteristics in it.

So, of personal ability.

So, what is it then that this energy is? If it's impersonal, how does it have negativity in the attitudes that you're talking about? And uh They can't enter the question. And when I've asked questions like this of new agers, I've noticed what they'll do is they just say, We're not talking to you anymore, go away. Mm.

Darn, you know, just thinking really stumps a lot of people. Let's get to Isabella from North Carolina. Isabella, welcome. You're on the air. Hello?

Hi, how are you? I'm fine, fine. Good. You got a question? Yes, I was wondering like How should we like honor and keep the Sabbath holy?

Wow. The idea of the Sabbath originally on Saturday was to not work. And it represented salvation because we would work and then we would rest. And God is our rest, Jesus is our rest.

So the Saturday Sabbath was designed to give us rest, and it pointed ahead to the personal work of Jesus.

Now that he's here and/or that he's come, he's done his sacrifice and he's in heaven, we don't have to technically not work on that day. Our attitude about that day is generally in the sense of keeping it holy: that we refrain from doing those things that we might consider to be work.

So that we can devote extra time. To the Word of God, to understanding Christ better, studying, hearing the preaching and teaching of the Word, that's the kind of thing, that it's set apart. from other days for Basically more holy spiritual uses.

Okay? Are you are you there? Yes.

Okay.

Alright, does that help any? Yeah. Now, just so you know, we don't have to keep the Sabbath. It's not a law for Christians. But we're free On that day to rest.

And so for me, I work in this ministry, I work six days a week. every month, every week, six days a week. I've been doing this for years and years and years. On Sunday, I don't do any ministry work. I'll watch TV.

I'll go buy groceries. But to me, that's not work. That's part of the rest. Because my work is what I'm resting from. My work being this ministry.

radio and writing books and articles and things like that.

Okay.

All right, you there? Yep. Thanks.

Okay, well There you go.

Okay, well, God bless. All right.

So, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. You can also email me info at carm.org info at carm.org. And put in a subject line, radio comment, or radio question, and we can get to them. Let's see, here's another email. Questions sent in.

I'm just curious your guys' thoughts on Paul Washer. I love what he teaches and his call for repentance, but I feel that he leans very close on salvation by works through repentance. He makes it seem as if no one will get into heaven. I personally struggle with sin daily, therefore. Yeah, I don't know enough about Paul Washer.

He's kind of come off out of the scene of popularity a little bit lately. I just haven't heard much about him. If I were to interview him and just ask technical questions, you know, to see what his view is, I could give you a better answer, but I don't know. Um He says, There are things in this person's past, you've got to have. has not gotten total freedom from.

But I've gotten better. I go to the cross each time. Oh, praise God. Anyhow, um I'm not concerned about my faith. I trust the Lord knows that I will see him.

I'm concerned about this message. Paul Washer teaches, not that it's not good. That it kind of puts people in bondage, thinking they have to live holy life to really be saved.

Well, that'd be interesting if. If anyone has information like that from Paul Washer, and if you want to take a clip or two that you think should. shows that, then send it to me at info at carm.org. What I'm going to be starting to do is do commentary on videos. You know, with me sitting there, too.

Anyway, so there you go. If you want to give me a call, 877-207. 2276 be right back. All right.

Well, hey, we're back. Had a little bit of a computer issue there. Not on my end, on their end. And Keith, let me know.

So, folks, if you want to give me a call, the number is 87720-72276. Let's get to Corey from Utah. Corey, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Matt.

How are you doing? Doing okay by God's grace. What do you got? But by God's grace, yes. I have a question in regards to well, mental health and therapy.

Does experiencing extreme anxiety while also attempting to use a therapist to manage it indicate a lack of trust in God. Or does it fall under general grace? Yeah, it's not a problem. Go go see a therapist if you need one. It's no big deal.

There are all kinds of people who have all kinds of giftings and callings in the world. You go to a doctor when you're sick. You go see a therapist when you need someone to talk to and help you out. It's not a problem at all. I have no problem.

And my wife, she would see a therapist because before she passed away, she had a lot of physical problems. They were playing with her mind. I mean, it wasn't crazy, but you know, a little bit of depression there because it was so difficult. And I was supporting her. Yeah, go talk to someone.

You know, because she couldn't talk to me. She could talk to you, someone else. And no problem.

So if you do that, yeah, praise God. Go for it.

Alright. Thank you very much, Matt. Yeah, my understanding was that. uh fell under a generalized grace and just uh you know uh you know learning to uh trust uh to continue to uh trust God. for his provision, for his with his mercy.

Um I I I mean I ha have the uh the Understanding that uh that God's not limited to the supernatural, that he uh uses uh people and and tools to work his well out uh for for a believer's life.

Well, you know, in a in a in a similar way a pastor preaching is therapy. Because he's giving wisdom, admonition, correction. And we go to church, and it's kind of therapeutic sometimes to sit in with other believers and stuff.

So it's not a problem, but a a specialized therapist, yeah, you can go. All right, God uses all kinds of people. Doctors, He uses medicine, food, He uses therapists. I went to a therapist when I was younger back in the day. I was in my late teens and saw somebody for a while.

It was very helpful. Because sometimes what you do is you just you find yourself talking and saying things, and things come out, and they clue in on stuff that you just don't recognize, and they can bring it up. and help you deal with things. Because they're trained for it. And if it's a Christian to do that, that's all the better.

And mine was Christian.

Alright. All right.

Hey, thanks very much, Matt. Sure, no problem at all, brother. Yeah. Okay.

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You know folks, uh Yeah.

Some people think that if you go to take medicine, you go to a doctor, you go to a therapist, you're not trusting God. That's not true. It's not true. If your car breaks down and you go to a mechanic, does it mean you're not trusting God? If your air conditioning breaks down, you get an HVAC guy out or a girl, and you say, Could you please fix that?

That's not a problem. And if you're sick and you can't break it and you go to a doctor, what's wrong with that?

So I go to a doctor once every six to eight months, and because I have early stages of diabetes. But I'm under the number and I stay under the number. I just go get a blood test once every six to eight months. And the doctor, he's been saying this for years now: hey, whatever you're doing, keep doing it. And that's it.

And there's nothing wrong with that. I don't have to take anything. In fact, I forget about it. I just bring it up now because, oh, that's right, I forget about that. Because they told me that like several years ago.

And I have friends who, one friend in particular, he's got an issue like that, and he said. He doesn't even worry about it. And he knows about this stuff. He just says, whatever. He just goes on.

Now, We all have people we needed to go to for help. There's nothing wrong with that. You're not disobeying God, and you're not demonstrating a lack of faith in God.

Alright. And I hate it that the stupid theologians who get on uh false theologians and say if you are healthy and wealthy is 'cause you have faith, and if you get sick and you're poor, you don't have faith. That is a lie from the devil. Who makes the eye blind, the ear deaf, the tongue dumb? Is it not I, the Lord?

Exodus 4:11. God has made these things, and even some people like that, for his purpose. And so we can get into that topic all I'll together. But if you're in a state and in a condition I do need help. Go get it.

Go get it. Just know. You know this. At doctors and therapists and stuff. Uh counselors.

Are tools and can be tools in the hands of God. Just don't use them to replace God. And if you just don't consider God anymore, you don't pray anymore, you just trust in whatever a doctor says or a therapist says, well, that's not good. But with prayer, and then you go to those whom God has granted that wisdom in order to do what you ought to do. All right?

Okay.

If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. Let's get to Phyllis from North Carolina. Phyllis, welcome. You're on air. Hi, Matt.

How are you? I'm doing fine by God's grace.

So that's good stuff. I have a quick question on Psalms 119. Psalm 119. I was reading. Yes, one hundred nineteen.

Okay.

Yes.

I was reading out of the King James Version. And on each section of that chapter, There's these letters in Kep, like Beth. Zane. What's the definition of those? What is it?

Those are the letters of the Hebrew alphabet. And so what it's doing is going through them.

Okay.

Just going through them. That's that's all. No big deal. It's just scripture.

Okay, got it. There's no big deal, just the alphabets. Yeah, all us, Beth, Gimmel, Dallas. Those are the letters like A, B, C, D in Hebrew. It's.

It's those: Aleph, Beth, Gimel, Daleth, He.

Well, we were in Hebrew classes, seminary, we had to learn the alphabet. That's the alphabet.

So it's just doing that. Excuse me. What's the purpose of having it right there like that? I'm not sure. It might have something to do with the letters that it represents starting more stuff in the text.

I don't know. I haven't checked. But that's what it is, and it's not a big deal. In fact, check this out. The first letter is Olive And the setter second is Best, alpha-based, alphabet, alphabet, alpha best.

That's where we get our alphabet from.

Okay.

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Yeah. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Oh, bottom of the hour.

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Bottom of the R, if you want to give me a call, 877-2072276. Let's get to Brian from North Carolina. Brian, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, hey Matt.

Uh question for you as I'm reading through Genesis. Why did Noah only have three children when it says he started building the ark? at five hundred. It took them a hundred years to build the ark. Why do they only have three kids?

I don't think it says he only had three sons. If it says he only had those three, then that would be the case. But if it just says the three sons and the wives and Noah and his wife, they ate on the ark, correct? Yes, but logically, see, it doesn't say he only had three sons. He could have had more, and others could have died, and so the three sons that were left.

That's why it could say his three sons. It doesn't say his only three sons. And maybe he had daughters too, and they died off as well. Who knows? Or another theory is that it could be only relevant to the issue of whom they represent and those people.

And so they were the important ones, and the other ones, maybe the other children, if there were, were not obedient to God and to Noah.

So we can't say there's only there, but we can say that of those three we give theories, okay?

Okay.

I've got one more question regarding finances. And the example would be with building a tower to count your cost and make sure you have enough to finish it. Weird. The digital ID coming out the next 18 months or supposedly For an in for a Christian, Should you invest in something Uh that you're not sure that you'll be able to get a return on. For example, whether it be rental properties.

But if you're not going to cooperate, with the digital ID. then it seems like you would have money invested that you can't use. you can't get a return on them.

Well, this is a subjective thing here because God says occupy until he returns.

So we are to do the best we can with what we can't have in order to hopefully glorify God. If it's rental properties that you buy and you don't know if you can build or retain them, if you know you can't and you do it, that's not wise. If you think you can, and that's why you're doing that, then that's wise. You're seeking to expand that portfolio ultimately for the glory of God. That should be the reason.

If the digital ID comes along and I don't know to what extent it will be here, when, where, what they're going to require, then That's just something I can't answer. We have to see. Because if they start saying we can't buy and sell unless we have that. There's going to be lawsuits and rebellion all over the United States, obviously. That could happen.

Correct. I'm just thinking. More defensively, do you keep some money in reserve and say, you know what, I'll forego the investing and put more into preparing for the hard times.

Well, that's wise, and that's why the Bible talks about having several different sources.

So, you know, you might have cash in your home, you might have gold and silver also in your home and/or in the bank, you might have stocks, you might have. Uh Crypto. You might have different things that you're using, rental properties and investments in other areas, in order to get a larger portfolio. That's just wise.

So that's what we should be doing. That's what I do. Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm I'm doing a little bit of all those.

So uh I just didn't want to be overextended and then Like I said, have money on paper, but not that you can get access to. And you're right, it's going to be a very difficult time if everything. locked up like it's gonna happen. Yes, the enemy wants control. And which political party wants to control your life?

Yeah, I wonder which one that is. I listen all the time, and I'm a truck driver, and I listen either on the way home or or when. Way back to the terminal, and I know where you stand, and I agree 100%. My question is. Another question is, how can people Call themselves Christians when they support.

The Democratic Party, which is pro-death, pro-homosexual, just it doesn't, it flies in the face of the Bible. That's a question I've asked on the radio many times. You know, when I'm supposed to, as in some areas, not supposed to support a political candidate, I do. I say it on the air. I tell you I support and who you should support.

And if the government wants to come after me, okay. Take away my 501c3, fine, whatever. But the thing is, Christians have no right to vote for candidates who, in those areas you just mentioned, they support those. Those are ungodly and against the things of God. Christians have no right supporting those.

None. And they should not be in any political party that supports those as well. Trial? I would agree.

Well, thank you for your time and your answers. Have a good night. You too, God bless. All right, now let's get to Ann from North Carolina. Ann, welcome.

You're on the air. Good afternoon. Thank you so much. My question is Do you have a suggestion of how to interact with Hindus I have asked if their God is alive and they said yes.

Okay, so Hinduism is polytheistic, which means there's many gods. And, um,.

So Yeah.

So they have different levels of gods and different things. They have incarnation of the divine and reincarnation. Uh So anyway, um I'm trying to think.

So, you're you want to know how to witness to them, how to sh kind of reach them? Yeah, I'm I'm really good friends with them and It it still isn't Yeah.

Well My mind is going different directions because I want to get to them. And uh So they their Hinduism is a wide It's a wide system.

So Even though many Hindus will affirm only one God, they're functionally. uh pluralistic and polytheistic. And Oh man, there's just so many ways.

So, there's logical ways, which I won't get into because that's just not going to work. What I focus on mainly then, just to be simple, is. Is, hey, we have Jesus, he rose from the dead. and he claimed to be the only way. And that's John 14, 6.

And so They don't have a guy who was risen from the dead for three days.

Now if some Hindu comes along and says, Yes, we do, to say, Oh, well, can you show me that documentation? Where'd you get that? Where do you see that? And a lot of times what they'll do is they have writings that are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years after the original stories where legend has come in. A lot of times there are editions after the time of Christ when the resurrection of Christ became known around the world, and then all of a sudden other religions have a resurrection story in them.

So you have to ask for the documentation if they were to say that this is the same case. And then hopefully they'll do that. And then you just focus on who Jesus is. He claimed to be, this is what I'll do with people. He claimed to be the Creator.

The God. And He became one of us to free us from our sin.

so that we can go be with him. And he died in that cross and rose three days later in the same body he died in. And so that's you're just giving them facts or giving them stuff.

Now here's a question you can ask them because they believe in reincarnation.

So uh reincarnation and karma. And I've had moderate levels of success with this, with them. I'll say, you believe in reincarnation? They say, yes, okay. And then there's logical problem, I won't get into this, but there's logical problems with an infinite regression of these things, and then you get into the Brahma, the ultimate, and all this stuff.

Anyway.

So I'll say, okay, so you were incarnated at at a first point in some time in the past. That's correct. And your karma at that point was. was good because you did nothing wrong, You didn't had no s no bad anything, no bad energy. Nothing that you've done negative was all good because there was nothing you'd done, right?

And they say, yes.

Well Then you had in your first incarnation, you had perfect karma. It was flawless, right? And they'll say, yes, and say, and yet you were reborn into another body.

Well, if you were reborn in another body with perfect karma, what makes you think you're going to get back to God? with imperfect karma that you have now. If you couldn't make it the first time, how could you make it the second, and third, and fourth? And I've had him say, oh, I never thought of that.

So yeah.

So Okay. And then you always and then what I do, depending on you know, if if a Hindu was uh was was in in my company and wanted to discuss this, I'd say, Mm, do you mind if I ask you questions? Oh, sure. Then I always ask diagnostic questions because Hinduism is a broad religious system. and you can have uh pantheism, polytheism and other stuff.

And so, um Within it. And so I just ask questions where they're at. I'm a little bit more analytical.

So I'll ask more diagnostic questions. I'm, you know, putting in the back of my mind: okay, they said that, that means this, and I'm going to go a different direction, and then I know where to approach. But generally, the average person, just focus on Jesus, okay, who he claimed to be and what he is, okay? Thank you. God bless you.

God bless you. All right.

Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. If you want to give me a call, it's easy. 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your call at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the last segment of the show. If you want to give me a call, all I've got to do is dial 877-207-2276. Cody from Ohio, welcome. You're on the air.

Yeah. Hey, Matt. One time, Nelson, how you doing? Doing alright hanging in there.

So what do you got, buddy? Yeah, so I was listening and I uh I heard The last conversation about the uh about trying to witness the Hindus. I feel like this is um. Equal across the board of religiosity or just religions in general. how to appeal to People, rather than getting into an intellectual argument or a philosophical argument.

you know that Okay. How the Bible teaches it with how how Jesus confronted people and He asked them, you know, well, if you're going to go to heaven, what. Yeah. Just uh Um Take them through the Ten Commandments, the contracts, right? That would be something that's inarguable amongst all religions.

You would just take them through what their conscience bears witness. You know, if they say, you know, they're a good person, you would say, well, how, what's good? Here's what good is. Jesus said, you know, how Jesus defined good was moral perfection. Yeah, it's perfectly valid.

You ask them about their sins and what they've done right and wrong. It's a very valid approach and what's going to happen to them. And then they say, well, then if you do something bad, you have a d a lower some views or different views of reincarnation. You have a lower level reincarnation and you're stuck in that lifetime until you learn and pay for what you did.

So their idea of redemption comes through their own works over a long period of time. Yeah. That's right. There's problems there. Yeah.

I I mean, I know I don't know a whole lot about Hinduism and and Buddhism, so you know, trying to talk to someone, most people don't know Um polemic. about other religions. That's all. I just wanted to share that with Yeah. Absolutely.

We talk about their sin. I've used that approach many times, even with atheists. And. Yeah. Ought you be punished, or ought people to be punished for evil?

And they say, they always say yes.

Well, where do you get the ought from? And that's an interesting discussion. Yeah. All right.

Right. All right.

All right.

Okay.

Well I'm not I just wanted to add health care.

Okay.

Well, God bless you. Thanks, man.

Okay, good. All right, now let's get to Owen from Arizona. Owen, welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt, how you doing?

Doing all right.

So what do you got? Good. Hey, so me and my friend are having this I won't even call it debate, it's just a regular conversation. But we were talking about the laws of logic, and he was just kind of saying that they're just brute facts. And I was saying I was saying that Uh they're more grounded in God, but I couldn't really give a good explanation.

Could you help me um explain a little bit more further how the laws of logic are grounded in God? In God. Yes.

Now when someone says they're just brute facts, They're not giving an explanation or just making a statement, a claim. If they're gonna say they're just brute facts, I'm gonna ask them to define what it means. to be a brute fact. And what must be the condition in which a brute fact is what it is? It's so brute fact, just saying it's a brute fact, is not an explanation.

Like I said, it's a refusal. to explain. Yeah, I get it. It violates the principle of sufficient reason.

So they're not grounding anything, they're just saying, they just are. And then, what I'll say to them when they say that is say, oh, so the laws of logic are just brute facts, or they'll say axiomatic truths. And they say, yes, I say, oh, just the way it is. Yeah. Okay, well, then God just exists.

Because if you say it just is the way it is, then I can say then God just exists.

So next. That's what I'll do. I'll say next. Because I can use the same argument, okay? Yeah, that is true, yeah.

All right, now.

So Ask them questions. Is logic physical. Very basic question. They're gonna say, Well no.

Okay.

Is that a physical thing? You can't you can't hold it in your hand, can you? A physical object? No. All right.

So uh is is is logic a property of the physical realm?

Now this is a little bit more questioning. And hopefully, he'll hopefully say, well, no. But many of them say, yes. Say, okay.

Well, if it's a property of the physical realm, then it should be measurable. Such properties of the physical realm are mass. uh volume refraction conduction. Things that we have that are properties, they're characteristics of the physical realm, and we can measure them all. We can measure them.

and say, okay, so we can we can re measure refraction, we can measure mass, we can measure acceleration, momentum exchange, energy conversion, entropy, various things. We can measure these things. All right.

So, those are properties dealing with the physical realm. Yes?

Okay, well, if the laws of logic are properties, then you should be able to measure them, right? Uh no, you can't.

So they're not properties of the phi then they're not properties of the physical realm, are they?

So now what we've done is gotten him hopefully to the point where he'll recognize that the laws of logic are not dependent on the physical universe. Because what they want to say is we just observe them. You observe a law? No, laws aren't observed. Laws and observation occurs in the mind.

So what you observe. What you observe and what I observe may not be the exact same thing. This is the problem of what's called empiricism: that you learn about everything through your senses.

Well, you don't know if your senses are accurate. If you and I are seeing the exact same thing, and we get some ramifications there. All right.

So, the goal here is once he gets to see that these laws are not dependent on the physical universe, because if they were, they'd be properties of the physical universe. But properties are measurable. Laws of logic are not measurable, therefore they're not properties of the physical realm, which means that the physical realm disappeared. It doesn't affect the reality of the laws of logic, because they're not dependent upon the universe. If we don't end up If they're not dependent upon the universe, then what are they dependent upon?

If he says they're just facts, they just exist. I say, oh, God just exists.

Okay, well, I'll settle that one.

So I win that argument. Because if you say that laws of logic are just brute facts, and I say God just exists, it's a brute fact that He exists, then. I can agree.

Well, then the laws of logic are facts. I won't say just brute facts, but they're facts. But that God is the condition that makes them possible.

So when I use your logic against you or apply it, I win, so to speak. You know, I win the argument. Right, right.

So then let's, but that's just a side note.

Now let's go back into it. All right, so. You might say, well, the the laws of logic they they're just things we construct in our minds as we observe things.

Well, your mind and my mind are different.

So which mind is correct if we have different conclusions about what we're observing logically?

Now we have a problem there. Oh, so they're they're universal, right. If they're universal, then that brings up another problem. Because if they're universal truths, how does one particular mind establish universal truths for all other minds? And if it's going to say, well, they don't, well, you just observe them, then you're back to the the same problem.

You're observing logic, right?

Okay, so do you observe that if A equals B and B equals C, then A equals C? Where do you observe that in reality? you don't observe is called the law of proper inference. If you in uh it's called the indiscernibility of identicals.

So if you si you know, understand that A equals B and B equals C, then A equals C, well then, okay, great. then you don't observe that, you conclude it, which is a process of the mind.

So logic is mind-based. For now I'm gonna ask 'em. Yeah. Does logic occur in the mind? Yes.

And it doesn't occur, it's not based on the physical realm, so the physical realm is void as far as being explanatory issues here. As far as why the laws of logic are.

So they are of the mind, because logic occurs in the mind. They say, well, it occurs in computers.

Well, technically, it's just physics that's occurring in the computer when an intelligent designer. puts it together. And then that, yeah, they don't want to go down that road. All right.

So then I say the laws of logic are invariant. That means they don't change. They're ubiquitous.

Now we can't prove they're ubiquitous. But that's another issue, which is a side note to go down. We don't have time right now. And so they're invariant everywhere, because if they weren't everywhere, we couldn't when people let me just say this. When people say to me, Well, we don't know if they're invariant, they could change.

And I'd say, well, if that's the case, then blue sleeps faster than Wednesday. I just say that. And they say, well, this makes sense. And I'll say, no, blue Pop-Tarts. That's right.

And no, I'm not green, but on Tuesdays, I'm sometimes elephant-ish. And they go, what are you talking about?

Well, if the laws of logic aren't consistent, then the law of identity is no longer valid and consistent.

So anything can be anything, and randomness is true, right?

So then I'll get into this. I'll say: so, what must be the case for universal abstract entities? An abstract entity is something that occurs in the mind, and an entity doesn't mean it's alive, it's just an existing thing, but it exists. in the mind conceptually. The universal abstract entity.

Well, then, what must be the case in order for universal abstract entities to exist? The universal abstract entities are these laws of logic: law of identity, law of non-contradiction, law of excluded middle, law of proper inference, modus ponens, modus tollens, yeah, different things. Where do these things reside? Where do they reside?

Well, they reside And I just get to the chase in the mind of God. In mind. Remind of God. If we presuppose the Christian trinity, we can account for the ubiquity, universality, and the trustworthiness of the laws of logic. But if we look from your worldview, nothing makes sense.

And then I say to them, Next. Right. Sounds great, thank you.

Okay.

All right.

Thanks, Matt. Thank you for that. Hope that helps. Thank you, sir. Bye.

Okay, God bless. All right.

Let's get to Richard from Michigan. Welcome, Richard. You're on the air. Yes, sorry, Matt. a certain sin And you're in a place where you could change your playgrounds and playmate.

And if you tr if you do that, Wait a minute. I'm I'm confused. You're running from sin and a playground with a playmate.

So now I don't see the connection. We change your playground and playmates. And and you're stuck in a certain set.

Okay, let's not use the analogy of playgrounds with sin. It's not a good look, okay?

Okay.

Okay.

So, um What's your question then?

Okay.

Well um If if i if what I'm trying to get at is that Um Yeah, it I mean, if you're struggling with a certain type of sin. I mean I don't know. We have one minute left. Let's show it. Let me just throw this out at you.

You can um hide from your sins, but uh God will find you out. If you have sins and struggles that you're going through, then you need to get on your knees on a regular basis. And Philippians 4, 6 through 8 is good. Philippians 4, okay, got noise in the background, but I'm going to put you on hold.

Okay, I say go to Philippians 4, 6 through 8, and it'll help you because you need to put into your mind the things of God so that gradually they replace the things that are evil. You have to ask God to continually work in you and through you to strengthen you through the difficulties and the sins that sometimes have a stranglehold on us. It takes sometimes a long time, and in the process of growing closer to Christ, you bring glory to him as you go to the cross every day, all the time, every way.

Now I can't get men much further than that because the music's going to start. And gotta get going. Call back tomorrow, all right? If you would, Richard, call back tomorrow. Let's talk about it some more because more people need to know about this.

All right, folks, there we go. May the Lord bless you, and by His grace, we're back on here tomorrow, Friday. Friday already. Wow. And by his great grace, I hope you have a great evening.

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