Matt Slick Live

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Uh All right, and welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live. Hope you're having a good day. And if you want to give me a call, as usual, all you got to do.

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So sorry for those who know I'm late. getting my computer, get an update. Just barely made it in in time. Wow.

So, yeah, this won't take long. And then it just kept going and going.

So, one of those. Any rate, uh I'm in. All right, all right, all right.

So And um Dealing with some of the issues that with Annihilationism working on an article on that. I have a feeling eventually I'm going to be over 200 articles on just that topic alone. But for now, I've got a lot going 182 on the carm.org website. And one of the things I've also been doing is is uh let's see what's going on ideas in my head Um I just distracted myself because I'm thinking ahead. One of the things I want to start doing is having weekly or every other week.

interviews of people who are experts in their fields. and call it Carm Talks. and just uh interview them for an hour. and all kinds of topics. And so, if you have suggestions, you have ideas on some of the topics you'd like to see, or people you'd like me to interview.

Then you can send them to info at carm.org. That's info at carm.org. And we can check it out. We're going to be doing a lot of that and also with some debates coming up. We've got some issues there.

Um And we'll be talking about that too.

So, I've got some things in the works, got some things that we're going to be trying to get going and produce. In order to reach out and to equip the Christians as best we can.

So, we've been trying some different ideas because our website is very much in. Um it's ready. It's ready to do all kinds of stuff. Let me talk about some of the stuff that's happening with the website. I'll give it in generic terms.

But there's some interesting stuff happening.

So one of them is Um how do we put this?

So An AI goes into a website and scrapes the website.

So, what it does is it looks at all the information it reads it collates it, categorizes it, etc. And so, when you go to an AI and you ask a question, or even, I think it even works. to a point with uh Google. When you ask an AI a question, Then what it's doing is is uh Okay. What it's doing is it's going in and it's scraping your information, and it provides information to you, and it's bypassing the website.

So, people, so the bots, excuse me, the AI will charge for this a lot of times.

So, what's happening is they're getting paid for what you write, for what you do. What the website authors do, they're getting the money. There's been class action lawsuits against this, and there's going to be a change in how it's done in websites. and how payments are made, how varying issues are resolved because of this. And so Karm is at the forefront of all of this in that we're trying to figure out a way, and we are I figured out a way to get it taken care of so that people who might contribute with Carm.

Can actually get paid as the stuff is working in the future. This is a very generic way of saying things, and that's what we're doing here at Carm.

So, having said that, one of the issues that we're looking at is to be able to help other ministries. Work their own ministries through what karma's providing. And so, if you're interested in learning more about that, you can contact us. And we've got some interesting things we want to get into. Uh with some of that stuff.

There's a lot of stuff going on, and uh try not to be too specific but more generic. Yeah, and I'll It's a real problem that the AI is producing. There.

So, okay.

Now, I hope my sound isn't too overmodulated. If it is, let me know in the private. We'll see if we can adjust something. I don't know what that means, Charlie. I don't know what that means.

So, you have to write sentences out.

Okay. All right, folks, if you want to give me a call, you can do that: 8772072276. I want to hear from you. Give me a call. And hopefully we can Answer the questions.

So, since we have nobody waiting right now, I think what I'm going to do is go to some of the questions that we have. for us in The emails that have been sent in already. We've got a lot of questions people have asked for answers to over the years, and that's what we're going to do.

So we'll get to that. And uh let's get to Let's see, let's do this. Let's get to. This one right here. All right.

Um Has the devil ever seen God the Father? It's a really good question. That's a really good question. That's a really good question, actually. Has the devil ever seen God the Father?

Now in 1 Timothy 6:16, it says, The Father dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see.

Now, it does say in reference to that, let me get to that verse. And speaking of the Father who no no man has seen, So So logically speaking If we were to look at just 1 Timothy 6:16, which says, No man has seen the Father. or can see then that would not exclude the devil. Lucifer before he fell.

So that's a possibility. I'm looking at her verse John 6 46. We have it says, not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who's from God. He has seen the Father.

Now, that one. We could argue is inclusive of the the evil one. Because it says anyone. And The word there, TIS, yes, that's correct, good. And indefinite nominative.

Okay. So, um That's a good question. Really, it's a good question. I don't know how to answer it because. It would seem as though that the devil was in the presence of God.

and saw God the Being, and then he fell. when we're talking about the issue of the father not being seen as in the context of humans, of people.

So, no people have ever seen or can see, including Joseph Smith for the Mormons. He never saw the Father. He lied.

So, whether or not the devil could see him, that's an interesting thing. I'll have to work through some of that logically. But I think. It's possible.

Now, the question then becomes: are we seeing, or is it in relationship to the issue of just God? Or specifically the person of the Father as it relates to the Son and the Holy Spirit. That would have to think through some more because I think it's an interesting question. and there's some logic issues I have to go through. Not very often.

I get asked a really good question. That's a good question. A simple one, too. Let's get to Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome, brother.

You're on the air. Hey, Matt, yeah. Wanted to discuss Hebrews chapter 13, verse 4 about the marriage bed being undefiled? Yes. And Yeah, and and I'll I'll be as discreet as possible.

No, we probably have kids, but I I just wondered 'cause I heard of a pastor that I guess his son got arrested for some form of uh possessing pedophilic material and Yeah, I guess he broke into his parents' computer. and he was able to to capture some stuff that they had in private. And a lot of people were kind of shocked because he was a pastor, but the defense he had was it was within the confines of their marriage and they had it secured and it was it was kind of you know, unsecured. Would would it be sinful for married couples to engage in that kind of behavior.

Okay. Wow, that's another good question.

Okay. So, what I always try and do when answering a question like this is be as biblical as possible. the issue of of photography. wasn't an issue back then.

So now we have to take principles and apply. The generally generally speaking, the defilement of The marriage bed deals with fornication. uh bestiality, adultery and things like that.

So I I Okay, sorry, and now because we may have kids around. I'm gonna be used I'm gonna be generic.

So In all of that there's visual perception going on. If so that's not my problem because they're married. If If a photo is made, It is a permanent visual. If it is not distributed But it's private, I can't see at the top of my head I can't see anything wrong with that.

Now Um I can't see anything wrong with it. I'm trying to think about this. Because uh If there's anything in Scripture, because that that's not a defilement. And there could be some variables in that as well, with the photos of or whatever. But I just can't find a verse.

I can't think of a verse that says you can't do anything like that. And I'm trying to run through the back of my head while I'm talking here anything like that. And I can't come up with anything. the best I could do would be to say that Um if the intentions of The participant husband-wife. is Within them, their marriage bed, their marriage vows, nothing more.

Then on the surface level, I would say. It's okay. If it goes beyond that anyway, then it isn't. Uh okay. That's a good question though.

Good question. And I really appreciate your honesty because the more I kind of thought about it and right now, I don't. think they did anything wrong, it's just they had happened to have been, you know, their their son was a criminal and he Yeah. you know, obviously perverted, do you even want to have anything of your parents of that nature and possessions and You know, they were kind of, you know, kind of as shocked as anyone else that it even got out, but it was password secured and. you know, all their personal possessions were were as guarded as possible and it just happened to be broken into, so.

Yes um Yes.

Well, here's some other questions we could ask. Uh What if a husband and a wife have a code word things that they say to each other? And he texts her that, or vice versa, you know, and a nice smile comes across the recipient's face because they know what it means. in that context. Is that okay?

Well, I would say, yeah, as it is, as long as it's not. perverse and is made public or anything like that. The marriage bed is not to be defiled. When I do marriage counseling, and we talk about You know, premarital counseling. I talked about that with.

with couples having married many couples. That's one of the topics we'll talk about. I even tell them. We're going to talk about this at some point. And you need to both be ready.

We're going to get detailed, and not in a weird way, but frequency and initiation, because these are some of the things that people fight over. And so I say, we're just going to discuss these kind of things. It'll be within the biblical parameters. and by permission of both of you, that kind of a thing. And the generic thing I say is, you don't touch each other till after you're married, but once you're married, get the chandelier and a compass and go for it.

You know, just have fun. And because it's permissible as long as you don't do certain things, and I listen, those things are. Hold on, buddy, we've got a break. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned.

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877-207-2777. Two two seven six. Let's get back to Germain.

Alright, buddy, we had to Take a break there. Good question. Good question. I think we're gonna write an article on that. Certainly, that's a good question.

I I think a lot of believers would actually be helped by this because you have You have some that would preach a certain a certain context of, well, everything's wrong, even within the confines of of uh marriage. And I I don't think that's That's uh, you know, accurate. enough to get into it. It just requires some detail and discussion but I I believe From this particular case, I don't see the pastor having done anything wrong. It's just, you know, they they had a criminal child who who did criminal activity and they were victims of it.

Right. Yeah, and it's a very good um Very good question. The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking it's permissible.

Now, believe it or not, I've written a lot on sexuality on the Carm website, and I addressed. All kinds of topics.

Some of the words I don't want to say But I mean all kinds of topics on human sexuality and stuff because I've got lots of questions on those. I can write an article on this, include it in there. But there's wisdom that needs to be retained in this. Yeah. I would say if Duff is strictly private and that's all it's intended for, Um There's so many things you could say, but I can't say on the radio.

Then I I just can't see a uh a problem with it. Wisdom would say you better make sure it's secure, doesn't get out, etc. Then we might have lust concerns. What's it doing to the person, the individual? And then there are, you know, there are other issues potentially.

So How do I say this delicately? Let's say that for medical reasons one cannot. Do anything. And Previous arrangements were made to Help out. I'll be very generic here.

uh for a duration for Stuff. Yeah, I hope I'm making sense there. Then that would be another issue. Mm yeah. No.

Be very careful what you're saying. No, yeah, I d I well, I I catch a drift, but I think um I think that's excellent material to really meditate on and kind of ponder this stuff. You know, that's why I call you. You have great answers.

So Yes, and I can get very specific on this kind of stuff. I've had lots of conversations like this in counseling sessions where after a while we get into these issues, and I'm very cautious as I speak. And the couple knows that, and it's by their permission with each, that we go into discuss these issues. Um But uh Because it's important in marriage. But I think Christian wisdom would say that if you want to do something like that, you better be very careful.

exceedingly careful because hackers can get in. and they can get into your stuff. In fact, when I was a tech at a at Hewlett-Packard years ago. and I would fix people's computers. Uh this one guy had a laptop.

And let's just say that he had a I would always he said, don't back up the files, but I always did anyway. It's just a habit. I've saved so many people so many hours of trouble. I'd back up their files, I'd reformat their computer, put the files back on. But they had an intranet where they could get the files downloaded and stuff like that.

But I would do it. Anyway, during this process, I found out a certain folder wouldn't copy for some strange reason. Long story short, the man had in like seven, eight, ten sub-folders down, he had some bad stuff on there. Along the slides. And I deleted that folder.

And I backed everything up. I gave him his computer back, and I said, I'll never forget this. Because I could have got him fired. All I had to do Was just take it to the management. Hey, look at this.

He's done. They'll walk out the door within a half hour.

Okay. And what I did was I said to him, Okay. Yeah. I shall remember this bit, I said, I said, you know, I use your computer. It's all working great.

I got everything done. I did a backup of everything. But I had this trouble. I had this problem with this one particular folder. And he looks at me and I said it was really.

And they look him right in the eyes. I said, it was drilled down in so many other subfolders. And I could see his eyes widen. And I said, and I found out what was there and there was just this stuff that Well, it didn't work. And if Fulder wasn't quite right, and his eyes are bugging out because he knew, and I knew he knew.

And I said, so I just deleted the whole thing. And I said, I don't think that folder will ever come back. And I look at him and he says that's correct. And That was it.

So, anyway. Yeah, I think that's a polite form of ministry.

So, yeah, blessed for that. Yeah. Yeah, it was merciful to him, but also. He got the message. Yeah, I hear the message.

Yeah, anyway.

Okay. All right, Matt.

Well, appreciate it. Thank you as usual. Look forward to the next time. God bless you.

Okay, man, good questions. Man, good questions. All right. Alright, that was a good question. I watched.

I'm gonna write an article on that. I got so many articles I gotta write. Look at the James from North Carolina. James, welcome. Are you on the air?

Hey, Matt. I just wanted to uh first off I appreciate listening to your show. I enjoy the discussions. I was wanting to touch base on that question that was asked previously about whether or not the devil had seen the father. And it just got me thinking.

I'm not a biblical scholar by any means, but I remember some discussions I've had where every time you see the Lord L O R D written in all caps, that's a reference to God the Father in the Old Testament. Is that accurate? No. Mm-hmm. It just simply says Yahweh is a name of God.

And so, for example, in 1 Kings 8:60, Jehovah is, or Yahweh is Elohim. Yahweh is God.

So that okay, but just generic with that. Yeah, the the reason the reason that I was asking is because my mind went to Job chapter one where it says that Satan stood before the Lord and asked him if he could or or and God basically mentioned Job his servant. And I was just curious if that was a conversation he was having with God the Father or not, so Yeah, um See, here's the thing. Generally speaking, what we'll say is that all appearances and interactions like that on a personal level are the pre-incarnate Christ. Generally speaking, Generally speaking, we know that in the New Testament the Father is the one who speaks.

Oh man, come on. There we go. The Father is the one who speaks to the Son, so there's an actual interaction where the Father Himself speaks. And so Um so uh It's not the sun. There, but generally speaking, in the Old Testament, it's always the son who's the one who's spoken, who's seen.

The pre-incarnate Christ, I should say. All right, that's what that would be. Live. I appreciate the clarification on that. Thank you.

All right. Good. There we go. All right. Well God bless.

Yeah. All right. You know my phone went off. I always have it on Do Not Disturb except for today because I had to have a special call come in for something really important, so I had to make sure I got it, and I forgot to turn my Do Not Disturb back on.

So that was my mistake. Hey, folks, if you want to give me a call, it's 877-207-2276. And um I've already got some notes on this issue. of the photograph stuff. And working on other articles as well on the father and son having different minds, and an approach that was presented to me last night.

on TikTok were a a Muslim tried to uh Demonstrated that the Trinity wasn't true. It was a really interesting discussion I had with him because he started talking about the minds issue. I'll I'll bring it up after the the show and or after the break, I mean, and we'll talk about what happened. Hey, if you want to give me a call, it's easy. 877-207.

2276. Be right back. Please stay tuned. Yeah. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome to the show. I'll get to the issue of what the Muslims had a little bit later. Let's get to Patrick from Ohio. Let's see how this goes.

Pat, welcome. You're on the air. Patrick, you there? Yeah. Hello.

Hello?

Okay, let's put him on hold. And let's get back to John. Hey John. I mean not back to John, but John, welcome here on the API. Hey Bat.

Okay. So, what do you got, man?

So, uh, question was. This is a hard one for me. I've I've gone over it a lot of times and asked a lot of different people. uh look sixteen mainly verse nine, but the concept Okay. Be unjust to it.

Oh, that's easy. I mean, yes.

Sorry.

Well, not easy for me. Yeah, and what I know it well. What's your question about it? What what do you want to know?

Okay. Well, I guess the entire context, the whole thing.

Okay. Want me to explain what's going on? It it'll make it sound. Uh Would you like that or? Got a question or?

Yeah, definitely. All right. I'd like to hear what you think about that after what you've discovered. All right. So I'm going to go through this not too slowly, but not too fast either.

There was this is Luke sixteen, one. There was a rich man who had a manager, and the manager was reported to him as squandering his possessions.

so the manager is a representative of the rich man who own the land. And It was her, the rumors came through, or the words came through to the landowner: hey, this guy's not doing a good job.

So instead of firing him right away, he wants to have verification.

Now in that culture at the time, the manager took the uh commands, the orders. of the landowner and Gave them out to the people who would work the land.

So imagine a landowner who owned, let's just say, 500 acres of land, let's just say. And he parceled it up to have, yeah, it would be a lot, but he parcels it up to say five families, and each has 100 acres. Let's just say, there's just numbers. And so what the families would do is work that land. and give part of what they produced on the land to the landowner.

So it might be whatever deal it was. You keep eighty percent, I get twenty percent, or vice versa. But the idea here is that the people were working that land, living on that land, and the manager managed the the he was the go between between the workers And also the landowner.

Okay. So when the manager came to the people and said anything, the people who work that land are assuming he's given the instructions of the Landowner. Yeah. So he called him and said, Verse 2: This is what I hear: give an account for your management, for you can no longer be my manager. The manager said to himself, What shall I do since my master has taken the management away?

I'm not strong enough to dig. I'm ashamed to beg.

So apparently he's guilty. He's guilty. Because he says you can take it away from me. I mean she's been doing some bad stuff. I know what I'll do so that when I'm removed for the management.

So that when I'm removed from the management, people will become will welcome me to their homes. He's trying to cover his rear. for later. He knows he's in trouble. the future is at stake for him and his safety.

What I'll do is I'm removed. they'll take me into their homes, I'll be okay.

So, verse 5, he summoned each one of his master's debtors and began to sing to the first, How much do you owe? 100 measures of oil. Take your bill, write down 50. As soon as this happens, The Worker is going to be ecstatic. He's gonna be, oh my goodness, the landowner is awesome.

The landowner is great, the landowner is merciful. In that culture at that time, it was exceedingly important for a man to have a good reputation. And this gets into other issues of going into a town and helping out, and there's some other. accounts that Jesus gets into about this, but I won't get into that.

So he says to another, How much do you owe? He says, 100 measures of wheat. He says, Take your bill and write 80. They are going to celebrate. They're going to start praising the landowner.

The landowner's reputation Is here, is there, look how great he is. And the word's going to spread. This was un provoked. kindness. No one asked.

He just did it.

So the word's gonna spread. This is how great the manager is. I mean, the landowner is. The manager knows this. Right.

Because what's going to happen if the landowner says, no, he lied.

Well, then, the landowner is going to look bad for two reasons. One, he's stingy, give me all my money. and his reputation is going to be tarnished. and two, if he fesses up that this guy swindled him, then he's not a good landowner because he had a guy who wasn't trustworthy.

So he's stuck. And the manager knows this. And then Jesus says in verse 8. And his master praised the unrighteous manager because he acted crudely. He's like, he's saying, you're a smart guy.

You understand how it all works. You're smart. I'm just going to hand it to you. All right. Doesn't approve, but he's handing it to him.

All right. And Jesus says, For the sons of this age are more shrewd in relation to their own kind than the sons of light. I say to you, make friends for yourselves by means of the wealth of unrighteousness, so that when it fails, it will receive you to eternal dwellings. What he's saying here is get into heaven, by any means possible. Even if your motives aren't the best.

Yeah. He says, the wealth of unrighteousness, so that when it fails, it will receive you into eternal dwellings. This is talking about salvation. He wants people to understand how serious it is. this issue of eternity.

and where you're going to end up. If your motives aren't pure, let's say I don't want to go to hell because I don't want to suffer there because that's my main reason.

Well, as far as I'm concerned, because of Luke 16, 1 through 9, that's good enough. As long as you want to get into heaven, it's just being smart.

Now, the best reason would be because, well, I'm a sinner. I know I need help. I know this. I know that. I love my Lord.

That's a better reason because it's more pure than I don't want to go to hell and fire. But that's a good reason too. And this kind of thing here is what's spoken of in this context. Make friends by your. You know, in his unrighteousness, he made friends, he took care of his.

of himself for his future. He secured the future. He says, good. Do that same thing. But when what you have here fails.

you'll have salvation. That's what he's talking about.

Okay, does that make sense?

Okay, what's the sort of Well, like I said, I've gone over this many times in my head. I've asked people And it's still gold in my head, I can't. I guess the turned shrewd I suppose I don't understand. Shrewd. He think of it this way.

Jesus knows about heaven and hell. And he saying to the Jews there, Be smart. You better make sure you know what's going on. Better make sure. Get it together.

For even if it's not the best reason. It's so bad, it's so serious that you better know what you're getting into. You better get there. That's what he's saying. All right.

Okay. He's not, see, verse 9 is not praising dishonesty or corruption, but the ability of the steward. to recognize the generosity of his master for one thing. And it's in self-preservation. and because of it He goes to heaven.

That's the idea. Yeah. Do you have this information on current. org? Yep.

Go there and look up Unrighteous Steward. And you'll see it. And then I'll go there and read it. There's a chiastic analysis as well. What the chiasm is Is for example A S K A S K Ask Seek Knock In Matthew 7.

This is our imaginess. Uh in front of you. Ask, and then you, and the line underneath it, seek, but you indent seek a little bit. and then you int go down a line and you indent indent knock as k. Ask.

And then He repeats, for he who asks, for he who seeks, for he who knocks.

So it's A S K A S K. And this is a chiastic structure. There are different kinds of chiastic structures.

Some Our um It's hard to describe. But it's like a The first and last statement, and this is the The prodigal son is like this. But the first and last statement are related. The second to the first, the second to the last are related. The third from the first, the third from the last are related, etc.

So that when you go down, you find a single point that is the main thrust of the entire. Um parable. And that's the case. And it is, I know what I will do so that when I'm removed from the stewardship, they'll receive me into their homes. I know what I'll do so that I don't go to hell, I go to heaven.

This is what Jesus is talking about ultimately. That's the main point. And if you go to the Carm website, you'll see this listed out.

Okay. Well, this passage seems very important to understand, and I don't, so I'll go there and I'll read about it. Yeah. Okay, it's the fear of the Lord that's the beginning of wisdom. God can condemn you to eternal damnation.

You better make sure you're making it right. You better make sure. All I have to do is, like you said, ask. Yep. Yeah, yeah.

Alright buddy, there we go, got a break, so hope that helps, alright?

Okay, God bless.

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All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. All right, everybody, give me a call. It's 877-207-2276. Let's give Patrick a try again. Patrick, are you there?

Yeah, I'm here.

Sorry about that earlier. It's okay. It's all right, man. No problem. What do you got, buddy?

Hey, uh Hope today's going well for you. I have a question about the revised standard version of the Bible. I have heard a pastor recently who I listened to Uh played at night on the radio once in a while, and then a couple others referred to the revised standard version as. uh Satan's Bible as the Devil's Bible. I mean, just It I mean, that sounds a little extreme to me.

I mean, I've I've studied the revised standard version. in the past and I haven't had an issue with it.

So I'm just wondering why Um Christians would go out on a limb to really say something that drastic about that version of the Bible and what your thoughts are on it.

Well, one of the things it does is in the RSV is in Isaiah 7.14, it says instead of behold it says behold, a virgin will be a child, it says a young uh maiden or a young woman. And so Some people what they'll do will look is they'll say, well, that's incorrect. and they're denying the deity of Christ.

Well um Actually, what the word is in Hebrew, alma, means basically a young woman. And we have it as it's translated as virgin. And the reason we know that it's significantly the virgin, because it's Parthenon in the Greek and the Septuagint. That's how the Jews translated it. It's not prophetic to say a young woman will have a child.

Yes, so what?

So the word virgin there, but alma does mean, it's translated virgin four times in the King James, maid twice, damsels, young woman. etcetera.

So it can mean that As the RSV has it. It can, but we know that what it really means is virgin. Because it can mean virgin, it can mean young maiden.

So is our translation incorrect? No, it's not. Is it's technically not correct? Is it. On the right side of translations, and the answer here is basically no, okay?

Oh. In that sense, okay? All right. Okay. So, you know.

Uh Yeah. I can do some research on it some more, but there's some controversies like that as well. And maybe I can do some research.

Okay. Oh, let's see. I feel Roman character. Right. We could even do that with the NIV if we want to be really ethnic about stuff like that.

You know, it just It it just to to make that drastic of a statement about it, I just thought was very odd. Um Yeah. We have the baggage. Yeah, and I agree. Let's see.

Romans 3.25, let me go there. There's another supposed issue there where it says propitiation and the RSV says expiation. And I would say that that is inaccurate because the word propitiation is from Helosterion. And so that means propitiation, not expiation.

So, I would say it's less accurate there.

So, I wouldn't call it a demonic Bible. I would just say, no, it's just really not the best one to use for serious study. That's what I would say.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Well, I thank you.

Okay. Okay. Sound good? Yes, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

All right, thanks and God bless.

Okay, well, there we go. And if you want to give me a call, we have wide open lines: 877-2072276. I want to hear from you. Give me a call. And let's see, let's see, let's see.

We got the, why don't I just get some more questions here? We'll get to that. Um Let's see, let's see.

So that was a good question earlier. Has the devil ever seen God the Father?

That's a good question. I'm going to have to think about this some more. But I'm actually thinking about writing an article on that one specifically. and we'll see. But at any rate, let's get to another one.

Oh I can have it on my screen. Is there a reason when a Christian spouse should divorce? Yes. Yes, there is. Adultery is permissible.

for divorce and also abandonment.

So, if a Christian spouse or if a spouse commits adultery. The offended spouse has the right. to divorce, but not the obligation to divorce.

So He he or she could divorce. but doesn't need to. And that's just what I'm just saying because we have to understand that. God doesn't like divorce, even though God did divorce Israel. I think that's in Jeremiah 4.

Oh, let's see. Let me see if I got this right in my memory. Yes, Jeremiah 3.8, and God speaking, I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce.

So God Himself, through the writer of Jeremiah, says that He gives Israel a rit of divorce because of its spiritual idolatry, or idolteries, which is idolatry. That's what it was doing.

So they're divorced. And that's what God has done with the Roman Catholic Church and the East Orthodox Church as well. They divorced them. Get away, go away, because they're idolaters. Yeah.

All right. Um Let's see, here's another one, another question.

So there we go with that. Look another one here. Let's go. Oh my goodness, look at this. This is humongous.

I can't get to those. A lot of people do that, but don't give me long questions that are three pages long. Um If someone has incurred debt both as fault and just life, it Is it unbiblical to stop tithing and pay extra money to get out of debt? We've talked about this one before last week, or we before.

So, uh, It's not wrong to stop tithing in order to get out of debt because we're not under the law and we're not legally obligated to. Yeah. to not tithe. Uh Hold on, I got it just being distracted by something here. Let me remove that.

So we're not obligated to not tithe. Uh not excuse me, we're not obligated to tithe. We are Uh We don't have to tie. We're not under the law because we've died in the law, Romans 7:4.

So. What we gotta understand is tithing is something we're free to do, and you're not obligated to do. Don't think that you have to do it, just be feel free, feel free to do it.

Now, if you're in such a case where you are so broke, You just don't have any money, and you want to pay off your bills first. You've got to do that. I have no problem with that personally.

Now, here's a question though. In that, might you still trust God and give to Him? In your in your situation.

Now, I'm not trying to guilt whip anybody to say you have to do this anyway because it's between you and God. But if you think that it's okay. If you think it's okay not to tithe in order to pay off your bills, that's fine. But if you think that even in that, you want to tithe, even if it's just a little, not a full 10%, maybe just a little bit. And you're still trying to do both and be faithful, that's fine too.

I'm not trying to make it sound one is more spiritual or less spiritual than the other, because this is subjective. This is related to what the person is to do, ought to do, should do. And that's between him or her and the Lord, not between you and me. It's between you and the Lord.

So if you believe that it's okay not to do that.

So my wife and I, my late wife and I, before years and years and years ago, we were so broke. I remember this one time we were so broke. We weren't tithing. Because we didn't have the money. We just didn't have the money.

So we had a when Carm was brand new and we got a check for $15. And I still remember this. we had to sit down, my wife and I, and discuss how to spend fifteen dollars. And it was how much for gas so I could get to work. How much for food?

So we could eat and feed the two girls we had at the time, little ones, and how much for diapers? Because diapers was a big deal, okay? And so we had to discuss it. And there were certain things that were necessary and certain things that were more necessary. And we didn't even have it.

We could have taken a dollar out of that and put it in the and the Sunday offering. We did have enough money to go get gas to get to work. I mean, I mean, to get to church because we wanna go to church.

So it was just something we had to do, and for a while there, we didn't tithe. because we just did not have it. But at other times, even then, when we were so broke, we still had a little, you know, we would give some, and it wasn't a whole bunch. One of the things my wife and I would do uh and we still played not a game, but we would still do this when later in life here, you know, her Social Security, my Social Security, et cetera, was coming in. We were doing fine.

We weren't broke. We had a little bit of extra. And we would sometimes want to help somebody, and we would do this. We'd say, How much are you thinking? And most of the time we had the exact same number.

I remember that. And we knew that was from the Lord, and we would just go ahead and move that way and do that. At other times, it'd be different, different numbers, and we would just talk amongst ourselves about what number we'd come to, and we did. We always arrived at something. But the idea here is that you do what you can when you can, and it is a faith act to tithe even when you're flat broke.

But sometimes.

Sometimes it's so tight Well, you gotta make your decisions. And that's what you got to do. All right, let's get to Cindy from Ohio. Cindy, welcome. You're on the map.

Hello, hi. I only listened to you on my way to choir practice, and that's tomorrow.

So this is an oddity. All right. Okay. Got home, turned on a radio, like a jam box, old fashioned radio I that I plugged in.

So my question is about one night I heard you speak on the basically the wrongness of uh I think it was Greek Orthodox and Catholicism and all that. Could you just like briefly? Summarize, I mean I know there's a lot of things Yeah. Summarize the wrongness of of the whole idol thing and oh, uh, uh, uh because you people would say, Well, no, we're not worshiping idols. They're icons or they're statues, we're not worshiping them.

That part of it was what kind of stuck out to me and but I know there's a lot of other things in their doctrine. That are not wrong. I don't know everything, but I that are wrong, I mean.

So if you could just kind of briefly summarize your view on that. I would have just I mean, I would have given up on our on the United States. My wife and I were already looking at other places to move to. other countries. just in case, because we just don't trust the Democrats because they were they're attacking conservatives, they're they're u weaponizing the IRS, the DOJ, the FBI.

At that point, our country's lost. And so No. What if we didn't believe in that thing? Trump wants so. by a landslide.

Again. Yeah, you'll push up against. I think Kamala and AOC. the company's. They can educate each other.

Two idiots. It'd be great. I'd love to see them have a conversation and just don't want to interrupt them, just let them talk. Hmm. Another program powered by the Truth Network.