Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live as usual. If you want to give me a call, it is easy. All you have to do. is dial 8772072276.

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I think I'm going to do is just jump into some questions, just kind of feel like jumping right in, so I think I'll do that. Let's see. Can God look on sin? Hm. I have heard from a pastor that God is not able to even look upon a baby.

Because of sin. Yeah. I can't look at a baby. Wow.

Okay, Habakkuk 1.13, your eyes are too pure to approve evil, and you cannot look upon wickedness with favor.

So, yeah, the idea that he can't even look upon a baby. Yeah. Wow.

That's just lame. Just so lame. You know, I mean, sorry, I can't help it. I'm cracking up, but it's so stupid. You can't even look at a baby because a sid.

You can't even look at a baby? Oh, come on. Um, I can j wouldn't be looking at me. You know, uh guess I'm I still sin. It's just the idea out of Habakkuk 1:13, which the pastor totally misapplied, is the issue of being able to consider and approve of sin.

God doesn't do that. And that's what that means. It doesn't mean a skin. I mean, this is awesome. I've heard that a pastor said, God can't look upon a baby because of sin.

Wow.

Man, that's awesome. Oh, you know, I love heresy. I also love theological stupidity. I'm sorry, but that's what it is. It's just theologically, it's like, wow.

and pastor does not have all his pot in the litter box. You know, um I wish, you know, I'm not saying I'm great at stuff, but man, a lot of times I wish I could just get with a bunch of pastors and say, look. Don't say things like this. Don't do that. Let's do a six-week course on biblical theology.

Let's put it all together. You know, I'd love that to teach pastors so they don't make mistakes like that. And they don't have to view everything I say. But the idea would be to learn what other views are. You make up your own mind about things, but don't look down at other people and don't say stupid things.

Well, you know, it's just oh man. Yeah. Okay, that was lame.

Sorry, but it was pretty good. All right. Uh.

Okay, this could be interesting. Hey, let's get to Alberto. Alberto, welcome, Brother Sir Hunier. You agree with me, Massey. My question is, why are College students are hostile towards Christians when they vandalize and the colleges towards them, but when the Muslims vandalize to them, they're not, they don't.

They're not hostile towards them the same way. Because they're hypocrites and they're afraid of Islam. Because Islam is violent and so they've uh given it a pass and so they have to tolerate it and so they won't do that. They know that Christians aren't going to fight back. And so they can attack Christians because Christians stand for turning their cheek, but Muslims stand for shooting you with a gun.

So, in a broad sense, you know, because Surah 9 talks about being violent.

So, this is why Islam is so violent. And so, I think that's what it is.

Okay, that's what I think. All right. Yeah, yeah. And also, I noticed that too: that Muslims get angry and they supposed to claim their religion is the truth.

So Why did they physically get angry and attack Because they're obsessed. They're obsessed. And the same thing is that that shows their religion is a carnal worldly, like any really lost person out there doesn't know God at all. And their behavior correct? Yeah, they don't know God.

It's a false religion. It's a it's a it's a demonic religion. Uh it teaches a false God, uh false Christ, false gospel. It denies the essentials of the Christian faith. And uh it's violent.

And Sura 9, the second to last Sura. Is not abrogated by anything that came after it, the one Surah 114 that came after it. And so it's the final word to Muslims. I suggest everybody just go look up Surah 9 in the Quran and read it. And you'll see in Surah 9, I think it's 5 and 29, it talks about being violent.

And this is why so many Muslims are violent all over the world. In fact, if you go to thereligionofpeace.com, thereligionofpeace. AlloneWord.com, you can see the list of atrocities that the Muslims have perpetrated violence all over the world.

Okay, let's see, the religionofpeace.com. And the count now is at 49,457 since 9-11. Uh Attacks are uh jihad report may sixteenth to may twenty second. may sixteenth to may twenty second. twenty four attacks, hundred and sixty four killed, twenty injured.

just in basically one week. for last week. Yeah. Islam. Yeah, so h so my question is also, why do Americans are willing to accept Islam if they know it's violent?

Why would they join that religion? Why are Americans joining that religion? Because they're spiritually blind. They're told a lie. It's a religion of peace.

Except uh statistically, when Muslims become um any significant uh s percentage majority of a population, or even a min minority, they become more increasingly violent. Studies have been have done on this. It's not a religion of God, it's a religion of the hand. See, Christianity is a religion of the heart, Islam's a religion of the hand. What I mean by that is, the rhythm of the heart is: God changes our hearts, He makes us different.

And he tells us to be loving and kind and patient. But in Islam, it's not a change of heart. It's a change of attitude of submission to Allah that guards your hands and tells you what to do with your hands.

So don't do this and do that.

So that's what it is. Christianity is an internalized religion, and Islam is an externalized religion, which is why the externals of the Quran and the Hadith. Promote violence, and so that's why they're so violent all over the world because they're not redeemed, they're not changed in their hearts.

Okay.

Okay.

Yep. Yeah, a friend of mine said he left Christianity for Islam because Christianity does nothing for him.

So it can work for him. A lot of people don't like the idea of God living in you and holding you responsible for your actions and dealing with your own heart. People don't like that. They like to say that they're fine as they are. All they got to do is say the Shahada and they're in.

There's no God but Allah, and Muhammad is a prophet. Need to say this meaningfully. And that means, yeah, now you're a Muslim. See, that was easy. What does it require of me?

I'll go to the mosque, bow down five times, you know, in prayer and defend of Mohammed, if necessary, do it violently. It's you see, it's just It it's just a pagan religion, is what it is. I'm not sure. Pagan. All right.

That's right. All right. Thank you. You welcome men. God bless.

All right. Yeah, and you know, I'll debate Muslims, so we have formal debates. I don't have any problem with that. Islam is an evil religion. It's not of God.

It's a false religion. False God. False Christ. False prophet. And uh that's what I say.

Now here in America I can say that. If I were to say that in a Muslim-run country, I could be executed. That's all that's what tolerance is. tolerance. Yeah, uh-huh, yeah.

Okay, so let's see, what's a net better question?

Okay.

It seems to be a typo. Uh Okay.

Well, I gotta fix that one. That's just a typo in an article. Let's see. How about this one? Hi, Matt.

Regarding groups that your ministry could research. recently recommended an Indian YouTube channel. called Christ Calling.

So I think I talked about this. It declares to be a channel for people wanting to learn about Christianity and for those who are Christians who want to grow in their faith.

Meanwhile, many of the videos seem to be. And for sensationalist claims and exposing hidden messages in Scripture among the videos. A hidden 3,000-year-old Bible exposes what Michael did to Lucifer over j oh boy. Hidden tree does it. Um To the fallen angels, God's dark angel who killed 185,000 Assyrian soldiers in one night.

Yeah, this is something you should pay attention to. You know, it's just um. It's uh I'd love to. I'd love to. I spend about 70, 80% of my time doing uh uh um busy work for Karm.

I wish that a bunch of people who could just Just say, look, we'll do everything. You just write and research and teach. That's what I like. In fact, let me just tell you a story here. This is a true story.

I'm going to say 12 years ago, 10 years ago. I don't remember. Um we had that exact setup. We got a bunch of guys who Oh man, what a story. We had a bunch of guys they flew out here to my house.

And we had three, four, five-day meeting about Carm. and what to do. They were really supportive of the ministry. And long story short. the stupid thing that I did.

Is I agreed that they would be on the board and I would be off the board, they would run carm. in the administrative areas and I would just do research and writing.

Sounds great, doesn't it? One of the worst decisions I've ever made in my life.

So, anyway. That went south pretty fast because I was no longer on the board. I couldn't say how Karm was to be run. And they started doing these weird things. I'm like, wait a minute, that's not what we agreed to.

You know, and they would say, We want to change carm's look and feel into that which is financially secure, so people will want to donate. See, that's not a primary thing for Carmich, writing articles. We trust God to provide. And they said, sorry, you're not on the board anymore. Yeah.

And then they started telling me: this is what we want you to work on. These are the articles you need to write. And I told him, I said, that's not how I work. I pray, I ask God, whatever becomes important to me in a burden in my heart, I focus on it. That's how it's always been.

I just ask God to guide me and direct me. And they go, well, what we want you to do is write on this. And this is what we expect: how many articles? And I'm like, oh, my goodness. These guys are just becoming uh brutal dictators.

At one point they even threatened to fire me off of carm. This is no joke. No joke. And I had the carm.org domain. I owned it, and I was not going to give it up.

And they wanted me to give over the domain to them. And I said, I'm not doing that. I said, I own it, and that's my only calling card, my only ace up my sleeve. And they said, well, you're being unspiritual by not giving it to us. I said, I don't care what you think, I'm not giving it to you.

I didn't trust him, right? One guy wouldn't have anything to do with me anymore. He said I was ungodly, a pastor guy, you're ungodly, you won't give the the s I don't I don't trust you guys. And so it came down to me writing a resignation letter. To Carmen, and I actually was offering the resignation letter.

This is for real, this is no joke. and I did, and my wife approved, and Karm was my living. That's how I made a living. I'd had to go in and become a security guard. because I didn't have any other skills.

And she said it's okay because it was killing me. I'm skipping all the details. It was just destroying me emotionally and mentally. The stress was immense. And she said, time for you to leave karma.

I agreed. Wrote a resignation letter. And in the resignation letter, I said, I'm going to start another ministry. I have another domain, and I've had it for 20 years. And, um, I said, I want you to, as a board, separate the articles out that I wrote before Karn was incorporated because they belong to me.

You need to do that, and then I will use that as a base for myself. And I said, You can take care of everything, and you're responsible for everything. I'm out. I presented this to the board and they They quit. They said we're not going to do any of this.

And so th they said, you know, whatever. Long story short, I got back on the board, I got two other guys on the board, and then I got recontrol of Karm. And I believe it shortened my life. I believe it shortened my life by one or two years. The stress was so incredible.

So I need help, I'll tell you. But man, if I learned my lesson about being cautious, you give people control, you know what happens? They go crazy. Hey, we'll be right back after these messages, please. Please stay tuned.

We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, and welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, just dial 877-207-2276.

Jane from North Carolina, welcome here on the ear. Thank you. Matt, can you hear me? Sure. Yes, I can hear you.

I can hear you. I just I want to tell you that I feel grieved. And the way I feel grieved is the comments that the person made about. Can can sh God look on a baby? I agree certainly that he can, but the way you responded to him shamed him.

You laugh at a question. You've called it ridiculous. And you and you said things that I don't think Jesus would say to him, and that grieves me, Matt. I think you owe him an apology, and your listener says an apology, Matt. Talked about being kind.

and gentle. Slow to anger. Yeah. I just think it was did not represent you well, nor Jesus, Matt. I do want you to hear that.

Okay, well, I appreciate that. You know, I'll consider that. You know, I received that.

So uh So, what will you choose to do about it, man? I don't know. I have to decide whether or not I agree with you or not.

Okay, well I would hope you would pray about it. and go back and listen to your recording and see how you came across. You shamed him, and I don't know that no matter how he should be shamed, no matter how. No. Yes.

Well, how would someone? No, no, no, wait a minute. Listen to me, Matt.

Okay.

You should not shame anybody. And then later in the conversation you said. Pastor says never judge anyway, anyway. But that's what you did, Matt. You judge that fellow for s for stupid conversations.

For a stupid statement. He wasn't sinful. He was uninformed, unaware, or not wise. Yes, he was. He was misapplying God's word and misleading what he did.

Hold on, let me get a word in Edgewise in my own show. No, I don't think so. You don't think he'll get hung up on you.

So she says she doesn't think she wants me to give get a word in Edwin's on my own show. And she says, I don't think so.

Now, so she called up to rebuke me, and that's okay, I'll listen to stuff like that. And then doesn't want me to add a comment in. And then she says, not to let me do that.

Well, this is not how it works. I'll tell you what, folks, if you want, you can email me and you can say, what do you think? Think, man, I went too far. I didn't go too far. Let's do an experiment.

You can do that. Info at carm.org. Because this guy was saying that he's misapplying Hebrew Hypocrite 113 and saying God won't even look upon babies because of their sin.

Well, it's a stupid comment. And it is a stupid comment. I didn't say which pastor it was, so it wasn't sheming an individual by name.

So I'm just saying generically, a pastor.

So, I'm not naming anybody, so no defamation, no slanders occurring, because no name, no individual is being brought out. If a pastor says something like that, it's just bad. He shouldn't say things like this, and other pastors or people need to call out pastors and say, Don't do that kind of stuff, it's not smart, don't do it.

Now, if I was there to his face, I'd say, look, you need to not say things like that. And then explain why. You can't say that. God looks upon all people. He knows all people.

And you can't say that He doesn't look upon babies because they have a sin nature. That's just not the case. And you misapplied Habakkuk 1:13. Just because he's a pastor doesn't mean he's exempt from being criticized or corrected any more than me being corrected and criticized. That's fine.

And so, and Signal says, oh, man. It says, babies are sinners. Yes, babies are sinners. They have by nature children of wrath. Ephesians 2:3.

And all people sin. Romans 5:19 were made sinners by what Adam did.

So, you know, if I wanted to comment, and I couldn't believe it, she actually said she didn't want me to comment. Wow.

Uh Interesting.

So, what do you guys think? Do you think it's wrong for me to say to somebody, say, on an email, That there's nobody's name is mentioned, that a pastor says something like that you think is wrong for me to say, well, stupid.

Well, if it is, it is. It's wrong. You shouldn't say it. Will be the right thing to say. Oh, I think maybe he shouldn't have said that.

No, he should not have said that, and he needs to be corrected. There are a lot of pastors out there. Who say things that are just wrong. They should not teach certain things that they do. They need to be rebuked.

Like Joyce Meyer, for example. She teaches heresy. That Jesus went to hell and finished the atonement in hell. This is this is heresy. She needs to be rebuked.

It's dumb to say, it's wrong to say she shouldn't say it.

So that's one of the things I'm known for is being able to say it just like it needs to be said.

Now, if you think. I was wrong. Email me, I'll listen. It doesn't bother me. I don't think I was wrong, because no individual was named.

Just a generic This is a dumb thing to say, kind of a comment about something that people might do. All right. So there you go. And if you want to call me, 877-207-2276. Yeah.

And uh I think I'll do now is get back on to some more. of these things. All right. Okay, so we got that. Let's see, let's see.

I think we've done this one here. Oh, my goodness, that's a huge one Oh. Oh, it has to be a good one.

Somebody wants proofreading from Indonesia. We'd love that if we could do it. Um Wow, another button that's good. You need to do that. There's so much to do.

Somebody somebody just said they want to see become a partner of Karma. I I get to contact them and see what does that mean. I see Muslims throwing questions about Matthew twenty three, thirty five. Matthew 23 35. Let me get to that.

All right. Matthew 23, 35.

so that upon so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah. Mm-hmm. Uh Okay, so the context therefore, behold, I'm sending you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute you from city to city, so that upon you may fall the guilt of the righteous blood shed on earth, blood of of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah. I'll uh add this up. Berakia, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar, truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Okay.

Yeah. So now let me get back to the Email if I can. Oh, there it is.

So All right, I see Muslims throwing questions about that verse. Perhaps you could do an answer to this Bible difficulty. Zechariah, the son of Baruchi was a prophet and not mentioned in the canon as being a murderer. Zechariah, the son of I think I wrote on this years ago. I think I wrote it.

I think it has to do trying to remember. It has to do with um I'm trying to remember, and you know, I'm going to go to my web. This is what I'm going to do. I'm going to do this. I'm going to just go.

to the website and look this up. because I thought I wrote an answer. It's really vague.

So let's see. Let's see. In my memory, that is. Um No, I don't see it there.

So let me go to my menu. Bible difficulties. I'm going to give this a shot, see if I can do it. If I can find it, great. If I can't, then I'll just kind of pass on it.

Matthew It's okay. 2335. I do remember this. I do remember I've done this years ago. But I don't have Come on, Matthew 23.

Where'd you go? No, I don't have it listed.

Alright, so I'm going to have to do some research on that. But it has a okay, the options that I remember are it was a different spelling of the name or different way that the same person could be referred to by different names. That's one legitimate thing. And that's what I think it was.

So I'm going to have to research that one to see what is going on with it. All right. Okay.

Now let's get to another one. Oh, there's the music. Be right back after these messages. If you want to give me a call, the number is 8772-07-2276. Be right back.

It's Matt Slick live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, we have three open lines, 877-207-2276. Let's get to Isaac from North Carolina.

Isaac, welcome. You're on the air. Hello, Matt Slick. Thank you for taking my call. I just had I would just like to ask if you could touch on the distinction between eternal torment, like the The Lake of Fire being an eternally tormenting place.

and the concept of annihilationism. Yes, I've done a great deal of study on the topic of annihilationism and word studies related to it. In fact, I did so much work, I wrote literally. 182 articles related to the topic of annihilation. And the reason I wrote so many is because, well, I'll just write this one article.

Well, the one article, oh, wait a minute, I need to address that. Oh, now I need to address that.

Now I need to learn what this word means, how God uses it.

Well, now I need to learn and it just exploded into 182 articles. And a lot of them are word studies. And so I'm not claiming, oh, because of it, I'm right. I'm just saying I just did a lot of research.

So, eternal torment is a conscious position, or a position that the people who are damned are consciously experiencing agony without end forever. There will be no end. And annihilationism will say of two major kinds: that the person who's wicked. when they die, they they um basically are resurrected and They're judged And then they're annihilated right away. And another position is they're judged and they suffer for a while and then they're annihilated.

Now it's a problem. because I did a study and I discovered something. that punishment is always experienced. in the Bible. There's never a time or a place or a condition in which You have someone who's punished, and it doesn't occur.

You know, God says, I'm going to punish you. And then there's no punishment. Or someone undergoes a punishment. They experience it.

So eternal punishment is experienced, but annihilation is called eternal punishment. But you won't experience anything if you're annihilated.

So how can eternal punishment which is a punishment that's experienced eternally. be experienced by someone who doesn't experience anything. 'Cause they're annihilated. It makes no sense.

So the annihilation is In Nihilation's view, it just doesn't hold any water.

Okay, it doesn't. I know what they do with the words. I know what they do. I know how they do it. And here's another issue.

Okay, now imagine this. Logistically speaking.

Now, biblically, I've got all kinds of stuff. Matthew 25:46, we can go to Zechariah, or excuse me, Revelation 20:10, 14:11. I've gone to Mark. Or 312, or 329, all kinds of stuff on annihilationism. But here's, I like to break things down just for simple on the radio kind of stuff.

Imagine this, condition one, condition two, condition three. Condition one is non-existence. Condition two Bob exists. Condition three Bob is annihilated. Condition one and condition three are identical.

In every way. Because condition one is non-existence, condition three is non-existence. Annihilation means you're nonexisting. Condition I and Condition Three are identical in every way, nonexistence.

So, how can condition three be punishment when it's absolutely identical to condition one? It can't. Doesn't make any sense. It's called Leibniz's law of transitivity of identicals. What it basically says is um To logical necessity.

If you have something that is identical in every aspect of something else, then they're identical, they're the same. In every aspect, they're the same thing. That means location, duration, everything. If they have exactly identical characteristics in every situation and everything, then they're the same object or the same thing.

Okay.

So if condition one is the the characteristics of zero experience and zero actuality, that's exactly identical to the annihilation's position of zero experience and zero actuality.

So, therefore, they're equal to each other, yet one is called punishment and one is not. which is inconsistent logically. This is another problem. That that annihilation of self. Then there's the problem of some of them say that the soul sleep.

In fact, if you want to hold on, I'll tell you about this one because this is really bad. But before I get to that one, there's a position in annihilationism where people suffer for a period of time. and then they're annihilated.

Well, why would they be suffering? Because of their sin. Their sin is according to the law.

So, in other words, once they've suffered for a period of time, say a thousand years, whatever it is, a thousand years, let's just say. Then they're annihilated.

Well, then why aren't they saved instead of annihilated because they paid the penalty of their sin? Why wouldn't they be annihilated be rewarded? They pay the penalty. They should be. Um They should be um Given eternal life.

And be with God. And that's an inconsistency in annihilationism. You see? Here's another problem. Yes.

One Annihilationist, I forgot his name. I got him on the article on my car. I'm not bad with names. I'm bad with names. And he absolutely spoke a complete, total heresy.

And I mean damnable-level heresy.

So if soul sleep is true, this guy said. That uh, I forgot his name. Maybe Charlie can find a name for him if I'll go to Carmen, look up uh. the heresy of the soul sleep. There's a a a name.

Um anyway. And I wrote it, I just called him a heretic, to flat out, called him a heretic.

So He said that the human nature of Jesus ceased to exist. That it's completely gone. Oh, wow. When he died.

Well this destroys Christ, because Jesus is by definition two natures, a divine nature and a human nature. Peoples, I think his name was Peoples, that's right. And uh So, uh If Jesus is the person who is comprised of both human and divine attributes, then if the human nature ceases, then you've destroyed the person of Christ. What's up? Bad, this is.

That's how bad it is. And that is a damnable heresy. In other words, believing in annihilationism doesn't damn you. But saying that Jesus' human nature ceased to have existence destroys the hypostatic union, that destroys the person of Christ, that destroys continuity, and it destroys the issue of the resurrection. It's that serious.

Okay.

Yeah. So uh I do appreciate that. I have my reading to do, my homework to do. You have those articles on your website. Yes, if you were to go to, let me see, if you go to karm.org, I'm going to just do this really fast.

Uh forward slash Annihilationism. Yeah. It'll take you to the page, the second level page where I wrote all you see all the articles I wrote. And the verses I went through and the word studies. Yeah, it's j if you say to yourself about me after you go through this, yeah, he's got problems, man, he overdid this, you'd be right, okay?

I wouldn't be offended. But there's a lot there.

Alright. A lot. Fantastic.

Okay.

And then, I mean, I don't know if I have time for one last quick question or not. Sure, sure. Go ahead.

So like uh Is the concept because I've heard some theologians talk about that there would be a second resurrection. Is that heresy? No. It depends what is meant by second resurrection.

Some say that the first resurrection is the born-again experience, the second one is the bodily resurrection.

Some say the first resurrection is when Christ returns before the millennium, and the second resurrection is a physical resurrection of those who are born and died during the millennium, and things like that.

So, these are not heresies. It just depends on what's going on. As long as they don't undermine the essentials of the Christian faith. And that's something that you should study also. Is you go to Carm and Dare I say, go to Carm, the greatest website on the internet.

And just look up uh Essential. Doctrines Like that. I'm typing it in right now. Essential. Why do I have two articles listed there?

That's another thing. And then there's another one, and then they have another one. Oh man, so One of them is the doctrine table, which you can go to and look, and that's very helpful. It's very succinct. If you go to the essential doctrines, you can read the article has primary and secondary essentials.

It's written the same way as the other ones. And you can just go through because the Bible teaches itself, it teaches what are the essential doctrines.

Okay.

Which are fantastic. And you need to learn those.

So annihilationism in and of itself does not violate any of the essential doctrines.

So it's not Daniel. We would just say, No, we don't agree. And that's okay. It's okay. But when they start saying Jesus' human nature ceased to have existence, That's different.

Rejects the continuity of the person of Christ.

Okay? Thank you so much for your time. I do appreciate it. All right. Well, God bless.

Okay.

It cares. All right. Okay.

So now let's get to Darren from Kansas. Darren, welcome. Oh, we got a break coming up any minute. Go ahead, Darren, what do you got? Yeah, I just had a question.

There's the break.

Sorry, brother. Man, my time is horrible.

Okay, hold on, man. We'll get back to you after the break, okay? All right, God bless. Hold on. Hey folks, we write back Gaffery's messages, please.

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Back on wait a minute. Let's see. Who was I on with? I think we lost that guy. And uh Now I'm confused.

All right, let's just get to Jeff from Ohio. Jeff, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, thanks for taking my call, Matt. Yes, you were talking about Islam a little while ago with that one guy, but here's another interesting point.

If you could help confirm here's the thing, let me set this up. I have an elder at my church who's from Iran. He converted to Christ years ago. And He said told me and he said from the pulpit once that He will not invoke the name Allah. refer to the God of the Bible at all.

And if you could expound, confirm, The name Allah has pagan orange origins. Was it from the Babylonians or the Sumerians? It just means the God. That's all it means. It's just a phrase the God.

like El Dios in Spanish, the god. That's all. Hothaos in Greek, the god. It's all it is. And so they don't have a name for God.

We have a name Yahweh, and theirs is just they just call them Allah. And so we say the word Allah because it has become equivalent to a name as we refer to the Islamic God as Allah, as though that's his name, but it's not his name. It's saying in Arabic, the God. Allah. It's all that's all it is.

So if he doesn't want to say Allah Then I understand why, because it's understood in our context as referring to the God of Islam. Even though it's not his name. He's just called the god.

Okay.

Alrighty, but I may want to get clarification from him based on what he knows, but thanks for your input, though. Sure. Find out. If there is, since he's an ex-Muslim, he will know things I just don't have privilege to. If he can find a place, either in a Hadith Uh Yeah, the Sahih Hadith, or the Quran, where it says Allah's name, the name of Allah.

Is whatever. they call him as as the god, then that would be interesting.

Okay.

All right. Thanks for the input.

Alright, sounds good. And give me a call back. Let me know what he says, okay?

Okay.

Yeah, okay. Yeah. Thank you for your time. All right. God bless.

Thanks.

Okay.

All right, now we need to get back to, I think it was Darren from Kansas, Lutheran Verses or something.

Okay, Darren, welcome. You're on the air. Yes, yes. Um, I'm just curious. about the difference in views on baptismal regeneration between like Lutheran, Church of Christ and Catholic.

Lutheran Church.

Well Because I've heard they bel they all believe in baptismal regeneration. Yes.

The Church of Christ will teach that baptism is necessary for salvation, and you've got to be baptized in their church. To be saved. Lutheranism says that faith is attached to the water. and helps bring grace. And it creates and strengthens faith.

Where Catholicism will say that it's it's called ex opera operata. Latin for b for by the doing it is done. The act itself causes grace to occur. And so, um Both of them, uh the Catholics and the Lutherans, will practice into baptism. But in Catholicism it removes original sin, but in Lutheranism it really doesn't.

It just kind of creates um an issue of faith towards in the baby towards God.

Okay.

And so Catholicism will Generally, they say it's necessary for salvation. But Lutheranism says it's ordinarily part of salvation, but not necessary. And which I think is probably better from the Lutheran view.

Alright. Yeah. Okay.

Okay.

That helps me out a lot. I appreciate it. All right, well good stuff.

Okay.

All right, thank you. All right, God bless. All right, now let's get to Jermaine from California, People's Republic of California. Welcome here on the air.

Okay.

Hey, Matt, um So Ezekiel A lot of people take the chapter one, especially verses fifteen, so I think twenty one, the the term Ezekiel's will But some people have actually interpreted that to mean some kind of alien encounter. And I'm just wondering what are your thoughts on that? Like is a lot of that metaphorical? Is he literally describing something that he's seeing? Oh man.

You know, I I've heard that before and uh Okay, it's not an alien encounter, all right, because there are no aliens anywhere in the universe. Mathematics does not permit it. And so that's that. But it seems to be representative of. of something living.

Because it says in verse 14, and the living beings ran to and fro like bolts of lightning.

Now, as I looked at the living beings, behold, there was one wheel on the earth besides, blah, blah, blah.

So it goes on, and it might be describing some angelic form or Uh some that might say a Theophany. A manifestation of God in different forms.

So just there's 'cause it's it it's hard to say, but um Whenever the living beings moved, the wheels moved with them, and whenever the living beings rose from the earth, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit was to go, they would go in that direction.

So it's hard to say exactly what it is. But I wouldn't say it's it's aliens 'cause m I need a mathematician to help me out with this. I need a bio. A genetics geneticist. and a mathematician to work with me to put together an article.

on the mathematical improbability of abiogenesis. Because there's mathematics that relate to the actuality and the genetics. I need information, because I don't know it well enough, to be able to show probability structures of certain things forming. And the odds are. are are just immensely uh zero.

close to what's called functioning zero. Yeah. So that's why that can't be the case.

So, what is it here? It's probably either a manifestation of angels. Or um How far? Theophany. But but interesting.

It says um The living beings beside the living beings each of four of them. Four creatures Ford There are four living creatures. in the book of Revelation. And There are and Camp of Israel, there's four groups of three of the twelve tribes of Israel that camped around the tabernacle. four groups of three.

and each had a banner, lion, ox, eagle, and a man. And four comes up like this. in the context of living beings. Here In what you said, the pericope of Ezekiel 1:15 through 20, 20 or 21. Yeah, dumb.

Also, in the early church, the four gospels were known in code as the lion, ox, eagle, and man. And so it's really A challenge.

Okay.

Really a challenge. Yeah um to me it it's is definitely spiritual. and uh metaphorical, but I've I've seen some people who are you know, I would consider very legit Christians, they they actually think it's possible he's describing a vehicle of some sort. And I've even some I've seen some believers think that you know, maybe that's a kind of a nod to what other believers will have. In glory with the Lord, and I it just doesn't make sense to me.

Yeah. You know, the the spiritual meaning has a lot more of a concrete meaning to me, but Yeah, I was just curious why some people actually believe he's describing sort of craft. Because they're not really sticking to scripture. That's all. And that's it.

If you go to the earlier part of Ezekiel, chapter 1, each of them had four faces and four wings. and uh their feet were like calves' feet. And under wings and four sides and four human hands. What's going on here? Verse 10, it had four faces.

a lion, ox, eagle, and a man. It's just, it's really interesting. And uh in Ezekiel 10.14. It talks about them also. And I think it refers to them as cherubim.

In Revelation 4, 6 through 8, it talks about them. And um around Israel's camp, it was there.

So there's just a just a lot. I would it's not an alien craft. That's not aliens.

Okay.

All right, that was good enough for me. I I agree with you, so. Thanks a lot, man. Appreciate you. Have a good weekend.

You too, man. God bless. God bless. Yeah. Alright, so that's a really interesting topic, and it's one of those kind of topics I'd like to get into.

when I don't have other things to do. Because it's one of those topics, it's like, man. But you know, it's so intriguing. It is so intriguing. That I wonder if I were to put together a list, this is what I've done before.

It's just that we put a list together of the different occurrences where a theme occurs. And that's all I do. I don't make any analysis until I've gathered all the information.

So There are connections. With a number four, the four-faced creatures. And it's in references in several places in the Old Testament. and uh in the New Testament.

So the four living creatures in Ezekiel 1, Ezekiel 10, Isaiah 6, and Revelation 4. Seem to have something to do with the angelic realm. and something to do with the shrone of throne of God.

So I just don't know. What I think is most interesting. Is the twelve tribes of Israel? When they camped around the tabernacle in the wilderness as it was moving. there were twelve tribes.

they camped in four groups of three. And The They're listed and the numbers of all the people in those individual groups. are list are are listed out also. And so The tabernacle is the dwelling place of God. And the four groups of three camped around Israel or excuse me.

The four groups of the twelve tribes camped in certain patterns from the northeast, south, south, and west. It was all specified in the scriptures. And they I had a banner each or a flag that represented each group.

So it would be four groups, four banners: lion, ox, eagle, and man. What's really interesting is when you take the total number of individuals. In all of those groups, of each of the four, total in the one of the north, one the south, one the west, one the east. And you just make them just proportionally just flow out from the tabernacle. you get a cross.

you actually get across. a cross that uh It's not a perfect cross, but it's a cross. It is. You look at it. That's a cross.

If you were up 10,000 feet in the air and you saw these people camping in this group, not like a square, but a rectangle that went out from each of the directions from the tabernacle, you'd see a cross. I think it's just fascinating. And so the Word of God is integrated, it is true. And we need to study it. And I would just recommend that you do study it.

Lots of stuff there.

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