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So, I was on a, I don't know what you could say, a little conference kind of a thing with.

Some people, we discussed the issue today. Of uh uh of uh of physicalism. I mean it's stretching there for the word. And I released an article about an hour ago on it. On what physicalism is and some of the heresies associated with it.

And um We got talking about some good stuff. It was a pastor from Poland. who was in, and then uh Pastor Brannon. And Merson, Pastor Merson, trying to remember the Polish guy's name, and Keith Serlin, and we had a great discussion. You know, I've written a lot on this and I've dealt a lot with it.

And um So but anyway, what is it? Physicalism is the teaching or the position. that the physical realm is all there is.

Now there's forms of this, there's different forms of this kind of a thing.

Now what does it mean for Christian thought? If physicalism is true, then Christianity is false. And I'm going to go through that a little bit. I'm going to explain how and why that the idea of physicalism. is in Christian thought is a damnable Heresy.

It is damnable. And what that means is it is so bad. That those who would hold to it, we cannot call brothers and sisters in Christ.

Now There are going to be those who might say I'm being overly sensitive or you know, just a heresy hunter and blah blah blah. But uh I'll explain why in a minute. But the thing is um That doctrines have effects. Doctrines Mean things. And so.

When we say that Physicalism is true. Let me explain some stuff. What we're saying. is that The human Soul, spirit, mind, whatever you want to call it. is a product of physical form.

of physicality.

Now Glenn Peoples and uh Chris Date. From what I understand from my research years ago and the quotes and stuff that I heard by given by some. Uh is that they affirm Straight uh physicalism. As far as The, let's see, let me get over here. I'm gonna find this.

I'll do it this way. And I'm going to find a Quote.

So Chris Date and Glenn People's discussion of a debate that they had. And this happened in, I wrote this in 2021.

So you know we're talking basically five years ago.

Now I'm going to read to you something. I'm going to just discuss this. I'm going to tell you. This is why doctrine is important. This is why thinking is important.

This is why truth is important. I'm going to get into this.

So I have this article on my website that I'm going to read from: examining Chris State and Glenn People's discussion of. Of Date and Corbett debate with Sherlin and Poor, P-O-O-R-E. All right.

So they had a debate, and I watched the whole thing, did a transcript of a lot of it, and then wrote an article in response to it.

So In the discussion, Chris Date said they, that's Sherlin and Poor. made a much bigger deal out of the out of you, Glen peoples. uh being both a physicalist and an annihilationist. And so you affirm that Jesus died in his whole person. Glenn affirmed that statement by saying, Yeah.

Chris then played a clip from the debate where Sherlin talked about Glenn's view of the Trinity. Of crystal man, blah blah blah, and Glenn said. I want to take the bull by the horns and say, what if we did claim this? What if we actually do claim that the whole person Jesus died? and that there was no surviving remnant.

Again, in my opinion, But and then it was an intelligible word I couldn't transcribe. I think it is true, and I'm asking you to con uh consider thinking it. They then talked uh for a bit and Chris Date Said, you do affirm that as a physicalist and as an annihilationist, that Jesus fully died. Glenn said, Oh, yeah. And Chris then said, How would you defend your view that Christ died?

Christ did, in fact, die fully, his whole person, and yet that's not a challenge to either the hypostatic union or the Trinity. And So it goes on, and uh for the next few minutes they discussed the issue and honestly I could not make sense of of Glenn People's position, is what my my article says, which was frustrating. He spoke quickly in fragmented sentences without really focusing on the issue. All right, now. This idea that Jesus died in his whole person.

So let's talk about two doctrines. And then we'll get into this why this is damnable. A damnable heresy would be, excuse me, the equivalent of saying Jesus is not God. If you say that like the Muslims do. That's damn bull heresy of going to hell.

And so What is it that's damnable about this? I have to lay the doctrines down first. First doctrine is the hypostatic union that Jesus. Has two distinct natures, a divine nature and a human nature that are in union in the one person. That's called the hypostatic union.

The second doctrine is called the communicatio idiomatum. And that is the teaching that those Two natures have properties have characteristics. And that the attributes, those properties, those attributes, of those two natures are ascribed to the one person. In other words, Jesus is, for lack of a better word, A composite. two natures, a divine nature and a human nature.

So technically speaking, Jesus did not come into existence until 2,000 years ago. Because when we define Jesus, we define him as the union of the divine and human nature. That union did not occur until two thousand years ago. The preincarnate Christ was existing before that time in the second person of the Trinity. But the pre-incarnate Christ became incarnate and in union with the divine, well, excuse me, with the human nature.

And so, therefore, the person of Jesus is both those natures. If you take away any one of those natures, then Jesus ceases to be that person. We say this again. The person of Jesus has two natures, and the attributes of those natures are ascribed to him.

So he said, I am thirsty. Claiming the human attribute, I will be with you always, even to the end of the earth, claiming the divine. qualities.

So he says, I am thirsty. I will be with you always. The I is the person. Therefore, The person of Jesus has the the attributes of both natures. That's what defines Jesus as being that.

When we look at the doctrine of of annihilationism, excuse me, not annihilationism, but physicalism. where the The teaching is that the human being When he dies, physically dies, his spirit, soul, mind ceases to exist. If that's the case, that the human attributes cease to exist, then by definition. Jesus stops being Jesus. That's what the logical necessity is.

Remember, even when Jesus died on the cross, the union of the divine and human nature continued in his intermediate state before his resurrection and after his crucifixion.

So When we look at this, we understand that Jesus, again, and I say this. Jesus is Yeah. He is the union of the divine and human natures, and the person has the attributes of both natures. That's what makes him that particular person. To say his human nature ceased or stopped is to say those attributes stopped being part of what Jesus is, by definition that destroys Jesus.

This then brings up other issues, and I'll get into them. But this problem here means that physicalism denies. who Christ really is once he's died. It denies the truth of the hypostatic union and the communicato idiomatum. Because physicalism negates the continuation of the human nature and the human qualities and attributes in the person of Christ.

So this is a damnable heresy because it then denies the continuity and continuation of Jesus. It says he stopped being Jesus. That's that's really bad.

Now there's an issue called continuity. Let me explain this.

So I go into my garage and I build a specific chair. according to some very detailed plans, and it's all made of wood. And there's no anything else than it's just wood and corners and divots and how they make things for joints out of wood. And I show this chair to you, and you look at it, and you say, That's a nice chair. I take it back into my garage and I disassemble it and I take the parts and I put those parts into a fire.

Then I take the same kind of wood, has the same appearance I use the same plans and I build another chair. I show you that chair. You can't tell the difference. You say that's that's the that's the same chair. Is it the same chair?

No, it's not. Because the first chair is not the same as the second chair, they're different chairs, because theoretically I could have both sitting next to each other if I hadn't destroyed the first one. They could both be sitting there, and you'd say, Oh, wow, those are identical. But they're distinguished, they're different.

So if we destroy something. and then we remake something in its image It's not the same thing. This is the issue called continuity. And it relates to the person of Christ because If they're going to say that Jesus in his human nature and his human attributes ceased to have existence. Then the person of Jesus is destroyed, and then, if they say the resurrection of Christ.

The attributes then are recombined. You've lost the continuity because the complete person of Jesus has ceased to exist. Yeah. And then for three days, and then all of a sudden, there he is again. It cannot work.

It's logically impossible. It does not work like this. Because continuity is lost. This is how serious this issue is. And we had this discussion about this for quite a bit, an hour and a half or so.

Online, and I don't even know what the URL for it is, but anyway, that's what happened. And so. This is serious stuff, right? Can you see how deadly serious this is. I hope so.

This is why physicalism is wrong theologically. But it's also wrong for other reasons.

So if I were to say to you, that there's no such thing as absolute truth.

Well, that statement refutes itself, and because it refutes itself, it can't be true.

so something that refutes itself cannot be said to be true. With physicalism, the human brain is reduced to the functioning of biochemical reactions. This means what you are as a person. is necessitated by biochemistry. The exact same condition every single time of stimulus input with the exact same biochemical arrangement will give you the exact same result.

How then do you have free will? How then can you explain what the mind is? How can you have continuity? It also means that a belief in physicalism is nothing more than a chemical reaction. But that means you can't trust what physicalism is because it's just a chemical reaction.

Therefore, if physicalism refutes itself, it's not true. It should be abandoned. You see, basic stuff. Thinking, thinking, thinking. Good stuff.

Big Lord bless you. Hey, we're going to be right back after these messages at the break. Please stay tuned. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. We'll be right back.

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All right, everyone, welcome back. And hope you're having a good time listening. Hope it was interesting stuff. If you want, you can give me a call, 877-207-2276. I want to hear from you.

Oh, I didn't tell you, I forgot to mention that you can also email me, and that's easy to do. Just send an email to info at carm.org. Info at CARM.org. Put in the subject line, radio comment, or radio question, and we can get to them. Let's get to Oscar from New York.

Oscar, welcome. You're on the air. Yes, sir, thanks. I'm I'm positive of something. Which comes first?

Salvation or works. Salvation.

So works. Yeah, works are the result of being saved, of being regenerated.

So they're not the cause of it. Yeah. They're not the cause of it, they're the result of it.

So we are saved by God's work. He regenerates us, he saves us, he moves in us, and then. We can start moving by faith. empowered by the grace of God, Because good works necessitate to some degree the standard Which is the word of God, the reason for For the glory of God. Yeah.

And Jesus is the example of all this.

So can a, for example, can an atheist perform a good work? It depends what you mean by good work. Let's say an atheist sees a man at an airport drop a wallet. and the atheist could take this wallet full of money. But the atheist says, No, hey, sir, you forgot you know you dropped your wallet, and he hands it back.

Was it a good work?

Well, on a human level, yes. But is it on a divine level, ultimate level? No, because he's not doing it ultimately for the greatest good, which is the glorification of God.

So he's not doing it for the ultimate nature of what is good. In a humanistic perspective, yeah, you can.

So True goodness and true good works in the Christian perspective come from the mind of God, the decree of God that works in and through us because He has created us for good works. Ephesians 2:8 and 9. He's created us for these good works, but we can only be capable of doing those good works with the Holy Spirit in us, with the Lord Jesus guiding us, with the Word of God, the standard guiding us, and then we can do good things.

However, However, A good work necessitates to some degree, we can get into this. a pure motive.

So, if that same atheist or even a Christian does this, a Christian gives the wallet back, sees it out of an airport, but his motive. is he makes him feel s makes himself feel a bit good.

Well, then he's doing it for self-glory, and self-satisfaction is not a good work. But if he says I've I'm honoring my Lord, I have been saved. I've been bought with the blood of Christ. And so I will Give this back because it honors God. Not that He thinks all those things at the moment.

But this is ultimately his life and what he believes, and he returns that wallet. In that sense, yeah, it's a good work.

So good works depend on the standard, the motive. Uh the ultimate goal and things like that. And that's why uh technically speaking, only Christians could do good works.

Now Another issue is My personal opinion about myself, I can't judge others. I don't believe I've ever done a good work, not a single one. Not once. And what I mean by that is, if the standard of good works is a perfect and pure heart before God.

Well I've never done anything perfectly good.

However, on the other hand, Though I seek to honor God and I do it imperfectly, I believe. That God, through the blood of Christ, sees it and Under those things where maybe on the day of judgment he might say to me, Well done, here's a good work you did, then that could only be by his grace. And through the blood of Christ, through the work of Christ. Does that make sense? Yes, it does.

Yeah. No, thank you very much.

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Okay, you're welcome. God bless. Bye. All right, so there you go. If you want to give me a call, we have nobody waiting right now.

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People are out there doing stuff. And I understand that a lot of people are without power. the storms that are out there on the east. Have problems.

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So there you go. All right, all right, all right. Man, a lot of stuff going on. A lot of stuff going on. Um.

Let's get to Helen from North Carolina. Helen, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, just wondering about going to a church where The lead pastor is a man, but the secondary pastor is a female. Yeah, the Bible says she's not to be a pastor.

She's not to be in spiritual teaching authority over men in the church. I can give you the scriptures for that.

So that church is in error. She is out of authority. He, if he cannot discern truth from error biblically, then we could make the case that he's not qualified even to be a pastor.

Okay. Alright. All right.

Um and what are the uh What are the verses? Where do I find that in the Bible? All right.

So, what we do is we go to, for example, 1 Timothy, and I've written a lot on this, okay? I've written a lot of this on the website.

Okay. Go through that. In 1 Timothy 2:12 and 13. I do not allow a woman to teach. or exercise authority over a man, but remain quiet.

for it was Adam who was first created and then Eve.

So let's look at this a little bit. And then some other verses I'll show you some stuff. It doesn't allow women to teach or exercise authority. over a man but are being quiet. The word quiet in Greek there is hesukia.

And it's a weird word because in Greek it can mean you can still be talking. And you can be more Hezekiah. with your less talking and more quiet. Saga'o means absolute silence, and that's not what's spoken here.

So it means they're talking, they can be there, but they're just keep it down, keep it down. It's the basic idea. And it says, because Adam was first created.

So, this is based in the created order of God, it's not cultural.

Okay. Now, that's 1 Timothy 2.12. and thirteen. When you go to the next chapter, Paul says in verse 15, 1 Timothy 3.15, He says, In case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself. in the household of God.

He's specifically giving instruction to the household of God.

So when we get back to the break, I'll continue with this and show you other verses if you can write them down. And you'll see, okay?

So hold on, buddy. I mean, hold on.

Sorry. Be right back. Hey, folks, please hold on. We'll be right back. If you want to call, 877-207-2276.

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All right, everyone. Welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Helen from North Carolina. Helen, are you still there? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. noise there. I don't know what that noise is, that rapid clicking. What that is?

I do not. Oh, that's interesting. Um let's talk about it. But yeah. There we go.

That's better.

Okay. That's much better. Thank you very much.

Alright, so here we go.

So Paul in 1 Timothy is giving instruction on how to behave. All right.

And that's what he's doing. How did it be in the church?

Now I'm going to go over to 1 Timothy 5:17. And he says this. Maybe you could, you get a lot of wind in the background there.

So, what I'm going to do is, I'm going to mute you just for a little bit, okay?

So, because of the wind background, and then we'll get back on.

Okay, hold on.

Alright, there we go.

So keep listening there, okay?

Now it says in 1 Timothy 5:17, the elders who rule well. are to be considered worthy of double honour, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. The word elders in Greek is presbuteroi. It's a masculine plural form of the noun, the elders who work hard, especially those at preaching and teaching.

So a preaching person in the church, in that authority position, is by definition an elder.

Now why is that important? When we go back to 1 Timothy 3, all this is right in Timothy right now. Yeah. It says that the one who is the elder, the one who is the preacher-teacher, it says it actually says the word overseer in 1 Timothy 3:2. which is the Greek word pr um episkopos.

But in I'm going to go to Titus, and then we're almost done. I'll go to Titus where it says the overseer is an elder. And we'll show I'll show you this. But anyway, the overseer must be above reproach the husband of one wife. temperate, prudent, respectful.

And this is what an overseer is. And finally, when we go to Titus chapter 1, starting at verse 5. For this reason I left you in Crete, that uh Paul says to uh to Titus that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders. in every city. namely, if a man is above reproach the husband of one wife.

Alright, so. Paul says in 1 Timothy 3:15, he's giving instruction on how the house of God is to behave. In 1 Timothy 5, 17, He talks about the preachers who are elders. Because that's what they they are, the elders who are preachers. And he says in 1 Timothy 3, that the Overseer is to be uh the husband of one wife.

In Titus chapter 1, It says Appoint elders. I'm going to read this. In verse 5, appoint elders in every city as I directed you, namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife. having children who believe, for the overseer must be above reproach, as God's steward.

So he is saying the overseer and the elder are one and the same in that. They're functionally the same, and both are said to be required as, in Greek, aner mias gunaikas. A man of one woman.

So a woman cannot be in that position because She's a woman, can't be a husband of one wife. It's an authority issue in the church, and the woman's not to be in that position because Adam was first created. And I can expand a lot on those, on this, but that's the basics right there. All right, Helen? Are you there?

Yes, I'm here. Thank you. And can you repeat what you said about the head pastor of the They did not had a female pastor underneath them. Yes, what he is doing is not adhering to the word of God. A pastor, by definition, is an elder, and the Bible says an elder is to be the husband of one wife.

A woman cannot do that.

So what he's doing is he's violating the word of God. And the Bible says the pastor who's an elder is supposed to be able to teach sound doctrine and refute error, and he's not doing it.

So therefore, we can make the case that he's not doing his job, proper job as a pastor, and that he needs to either step down or repent of that false teaching.

Furthermore, one last comment. In my research on this, 80% of the denominations and/or churches that adopt women pastors within two generations are promoting and supporting homosexuality.

Okay? All right?

Okay. All right.

Thank you for your time. You're welcome, thank you.

Okay. All right, now, as I've done so many times over the years, been doing radio now. five days a week now for 21 years, okay? for an hour a day. As I've done so many times over 21 years.

I'll do it again. I will Come out to your church. We have to arrange everything and debate the topic at your church with a pastor.

Alright. Does the Bible support women, pastors, and elders? I will fly out. I could even do it at my expense. As long as we have a formal debate.

And it is recorded. And we can both you know, put it up on the on the internet. And do it in front of your church. I've offered this I don't know how many times. Not a single time has anybody taken me up on it.

Why is that? Because they know That if they debate the topic, does the Bible Support women, pastors and elders. All I got to do is go to the scriptures and say what it says. And I know about Deborah, I know about Phoebe. I know about Aquila and Priscilla.

I know how to answer these things. But they won't do it. In part because they don't want to look bad in front of their congregations, they don't want to submit to the Word of God. They need to submit, they need to repent. All of you out there who hope the women pastors and elders need to repent.

You just stop believing that false doctrine. You need to submit to what it says.

Now, some people say, well, that's chauvinistic. Who cares what you think?

So that's got nothing to do with the truth. The truth is what it says.

Now, think about this: the Trinity, the Father sends the Holy Spirit, the Father sends the Son, the Father and the Son send the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit. Is sent by them, and the sun is under the headship. Of the father, him being under the headship does not mean he's inferior, it means he's in a different position. And that's the same thing with women in the church.

They're not inferior. They are in a different position. They're not to be in that place because. Adam was first created. This is not cultural.

This is specifically dealing with the created order from God Himself. Again. I will flock to your church at my expense. Within reason. I mean, if it's in Germany and I got a penny million dollars, I'm not going to do it.

But Uh, to debate the issue, does the Bible teach or support the idea of women, pastors, and elders? I've been offering this for 21 years, off and on. Not a single taker. Mm-hmm. Let's get to Tyler from South Carolina.

Tyler, welcome. You're on the air. Hi there. Thank you for taking my call. I have a question about the book Jude.

Get away. When it talks about s there being people who have crept in unaware. Who is he speaking of? I've seen people saying that it's optimism. I've seen people saying it's.

It's the you say it's Democrats? Yeah, Democrats, you gotta Democrats, yeah. I'm joking, but you know. Yeah. Okay.

So who are they? That's what you want to know, right?

So it's June 4, 4. Certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ. It doesn't give specific names of who they are, not in this immediate context. And so, what we can say is that the people who are coming into the church are ungodly.

Now, what does it mean when it says they turn the grace of God into licentiousness? It means an excuse to sin and participate in evil.

So they're turning God's grace. Hey, you know, we're going to be forgiven, so it's okay to do evil things. That's what's going on. Debauchery, sexual desires, abs. absence of restraint, insatiable fleshly desires.

They're using the Word of God and the blood of Christ to justify that. And a lot of people do that. And they're going to meet their condemnation. for it.

Okay. So do you think it might be, I guess, closer to antinomianism than, say, Gnosticism then?

Well, yeah, uh i I don't think it's pure purely Gnostic, but absolutely the issue of antinomianism i i is a certain possibility there. And so, antinomianism, for those who don't know, is the idea of ignoring the law of God: don't lie, don't steal, don't commit adultery, and just living in an evil way. And so yeah, that certainly uh fits in that category. And then but this is re ref refuted. By Paul in Romans six, when he says, Are we to continue in sin, that grace may increase?

May it never be? How shall we who have died to sin still live in it?

Okay. So Hope that helps. That does, thank you so much. That clears up a lot. Good.

All right.

Well, God bless.

Okay. Thank you for your time. God bless. Yeah, you too. All right, you know Get a break here coming up.

But let me leave you with this thought. Do any of your pastors that you know and the elders who teach? Do they actually name names and call out heresy and condemn it for what it is? Does your church do that ever? Interesting.

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It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. It's the last segment of the hour on this wonderful Friday. Um little heads up. I'll be in Dallas next week, Thursday, Friday. And so it won't be live on the air Thursday and Friday, just giving you a heads up on that.

I got a debate I got to be out there. And if you go to the carm.org website forward slash Calendar, I think the information is up there already for that. World B.

So, anyway, that's one thing. And we have a comment I want to get to. What are your views on book sales based off the Bible? On one hand, it could be a ministry that parallels and teaches God's word, but any wisdom or book related to the Bible is God's Word and should it be sold? All right.

So I have no problem personally. With someone producing a Bible by a translation committee and then selling it. because it costs money to print it, to ship it. You can't just say it'll all be free because who's going to pay for the everything? It just doesn't work.

Practically, that's just how it is, and that's not a problem.

So, what about a pastor, let's say, who writes a book? uh on uh a marriage. And he's got great advice. And he's quoting the scriptures, and he's really putting together some very good lessons and some very good wisdom. And he's deriving it out of Scripture and he gives glory to God.

Is he Uh permitted then to sell that. and make money off of it. Yeah, of course. No problem at all. He's the one who worked, he's the one who put it together, and he's the one who is that author.

And so he has that right.

Now I'm not trying to say we Laissez-faire, just make money off of God's word. That's not the point. The point is, a workman is worthy of his hire. And if you build a house for someone, it's worth getting paid. If you're building a set of wisdoms and lessons out of God's word that's for the glory of God, etc., then it's not a problem either on that same kind of perspective.

Okay. All right.

Now let's uh let's get to coal from Georgia Cole, welcome. You're on the air. mister Matt, thank you. Um, I got a couple of questions. about the Ten Commandments.

Okay. I want you to hear me out real quick. Um Well, actually, I'm going to ask you three questions, three quick questions. Which one of the commandments Did God say remember out of out of the tin?

Well, that's a good question. Remember to keep the Sabbath, I think it is. Right.

Okay, right, the Sabbath, okay. That's the first question. Said that's the only one he said remember because he knew people would forget it.

Okay, now the next question is. Which one of the commandments was before the law. Before the law, oh, don't eat from the tree.

Okay. No, no, no. Which one of the commandments, the Ten Commandments, was before the law?

Well, that's kind of problematic because the Ten Commandments are the law.

So I'm confused.

Well, no, the Sabbath. Remember when God says he rested on the Sabbath, he's going to keep it holy? That's the only commandment that was before, that was before the Ten Commandments, that one. That's the only one on the list. On the list, think about it.

Okay, well, hold on. You said commandment, but you say those commandments.

So, but the first commandment given is to Adam: don't eat of the tree.

So that's the first commandment. And even when God rested. I'm speaking on the tank commandments, though.

Okay. So Uh It's problematic in how the sentences are offered. Do you mean the first one written? What do you mean by commandment the Sabbath? Is it before?

Is it simply codified?

So I'm just not exactly sure. Yeah. Yeah, you know, God said he rested in it on the s on the seventh day. And he says it's going to be throughout forever to be kept This is this is before the law. Then you turn around.

Okay, we're past that. That's the second thing. The last thing is. Which What's the only thing God wrote with his hand in the Bible from the finger of God?

Well, how does the Bible? I'll answer. I'll answer. Hold on. You asked a question.

One is the Ten Commandments, and the other one is what Jesus wrote on the dirt.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's true, but we don't know what he wrote on the third. We know what he wrote in the Ten Commandments. Yeah, I know, but we may know what he wrote in the dirt.

I can get into that, but anyway, I'm just being technically accurate.

Okay, so what's your next question? Because we got callers waiting now.

Okay, what do you got?

Okay, we got caller ready. My thing is. A lot of people are going to get caught sleeping because they're not observing the thing. In Texas, they say they're going to put a tamponage. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

But finish your sentences. Hold on, Matt. No, finish your sentence. Because, and then you change the topic.

So finish, what was your thought? They're going to be caught sleeping because I thought it. Because on the Sabbath, Sundown, Friday, today, Till sundown Saturday. Most people are at the movies, they're partying, they're doing this, they're doing that. What's wrong with that?

Because it's the Sabbath. It's a Sabbath. You're supposed to honor that.

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

So look, let me give you an example of something. On Sunday, that's my Sabbath. and I don't do karm work. I might do yard work, I might go shopping, and I might do other things. but I don't do carm work 'cause that's that to me is work.

But I don't do that on Sunday, rarely. I mean, generally speaking.

So But we're not talking about Sunday Matt. That's not the Sabbath day ordained. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. You wanna know why?

No, it's not. Come on, thanks for the Sunday day of the week. Oh, dude, okay, I'm gonna have to mute you if you don't stop over talking. I'm trying to get through this with you, okay?

Now the Bible says In Romans 14. 1 through 12, we should read the whole thing. One man regards one day above another, and another man regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. That's.

Romans 14.5.

So then I got nothing to do with the st the tent commandments though, Matt.

Okay. Okay, I'm I'm gonna leave I'm gonna leave one more thing with you. We're just going to move along, okay? Because he's not listening to reason. We'll just move along.

Let's get to the next longest: Daniel from Virginia. Daniel, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt, how are you, sir?

Okay, hanging in there, okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um I'm not exactly sure what the last caller was trying to get a point. The Pharisees kept telling Jesus that he wasn't allowed to heal people 'cause it's Sunday and I don't I don't know. He probably needs to reread the gospel.

Yeah, and here's the thing is, when I'm just going with somebody, I make a statement out of scripture and they say, that's not what it is.

Well, wait a minute. You can't just say it's not what it is, and then go on. Wait a minute. How do you know that's not what it is? And that's what that and we just move along because it's just going to get.

more obstreperous.

So what do you got, buddy? What's up?

So I wanted to touch on one of the previous calls, I believe it was Helen. I have to drop my daughter off at a at a private school. Which we're grateful for. But they there's a a Lutheran church. Right outside her school.

And uh uh they're they're promoting homosexuality. With the female pass.

Okay. And I'm curious if you had on hand some scriptures. That can, if I do come into contact with this person, I could say, well, this. In the Bible is where you are having error. Yeah.

Well, first of all, some there's many Lutheran denominations, and you're talking mainly out of what's called the ELCA, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. and they will support this stupidity, this filth.

Okay. Yeah. And uh I would not cons consider them to be Christian. Yeah. And that's it.

So the ELCA is generally, that's it, okay? And they elected their first openly gay bishop in 2013.

So it is an apostate church, okay? Pastic.

Okay. Okay. Uh So, I'm not sure if I answered your question, but there's a little bit of background. Did you have any particular scriptures? Um On hand.

If you don't, it's okay. I'm reading my way through. I just finished Roman. We're going to. On um sexual immorality and and You ready?

Okay, Romans chapter 1. All right, you want to go to Romans 1, starting at verse 18, and just read at the end of the chapter, you'll see all kinds of stuff in there.

Okay. And then also 1 Corinthians 6.9.

Okay. That's coming up after Romans, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yes, it does.

That's my next one.

Okay, and then it'll say in verse 9, it'll use the word homosexuals. Which is the Greek word arsenic. That's a Greek word to sign quickly. You know, I do remember reading about it saying that I think it was in Romans that the men had. Were lying with the other men and had lost their interest in the women.

That's Romans 1. We're reading that now. That's Romans 1. I'm giving you that. And the Greek word for homosexuals is arsenikoitos, which means man better, men with men.

Okay. So interesting. But do you have something that you pull from with the Greek and Hebrew? Like, do you have a book personally that you?

Well, I've took Greek and Hebrew, but in college and seminary, I took four and a half years of Greek. I've forgotten a lot, but I still remember a lot too. And so my Bible program, I can go to, like for the word, you know, homosexual, or Senegoetos, and I can put my mouse over the word on a certain area. It's a nominative plural masculine, nominative plural. I know what that means.

And so I can look up verbs, okay? And I can know what it means to parse in certain things, like active voice, middle voice.

So, you know, and it helps.

So that kind of stuff, okay? Yeah. Yeah, I just want to tell you thank you so much. Jesus changed my life almost a year ago. By taking away the craving for alcohol, I was an alcoholic for 14 years.

And and I have seen what it can do in people's lives. And I am on fire. On the inside to try to help people that are lost. And I think that what you do to glorify God with your radio show to spread truth, I'm very grateful for it. And I want to say thank you, sir.

Well, praise God. You know, He gets the glory. All right, that's it. And I'm going to tell you that if you go to Carm, my website, and you read, you understand that I'm very, very, very dedicated to the inspiration and sufficiency of God's Word. And I try and write based on what it says, not what I say.

Except when I say here's my opinion, I'll say it's my opinion. and go there and look and learn, okay?

Alright, buddy? Yes, sir. Thank you. All right, man.

Okay. All right.

Now, we don't have time to get into the next one, Ron from Utah, because by the time he asks the question, the music's going to start. We've got like. 30 seconds or 35 seconds left in the show.

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