A Caregiver's Perspective of the Presidential Debate

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Staydewithhope.com slash giving. Welcome to Truth Talk Live, I am Peter Rosenberger. Glad to be here. I'm guest hosting today, this lovely Friday afternoon, and we're gonna talk a lot about last night of what happened at the debate,but from a much different perspective. I host a radio program every week for family caregivers. I've been a caregiver now for four decades. And I have some awesome fellow from a much different perspective I host a radio program every week for family caregivers I've been a caregiver now for four decades and I have some thoughts on what I observed at the debate last night from a caregiver standpoint and the world I live in we have certain things that we see that maybe others don't and we know about them and so we're gonna talk about that today if you want to weigh in on that then you can call eight six six three four eight seven eight eight four eight six six thirty four truth and we'd love to have that conversation at some point during this today's program I may step over to the caregiver keyboard that I play it if you've got something you want to hear I'll be glad to try to play it for you I usually stay with the hymns because that's where most people live and know songs like this but if you've got something you want to hear I'll be glad to and we'll talk about that too because I'm on a mission to help reintroduce hymns to folks to let them know how to anchor their faith particularly during unsettling times and wouldn't you agree at this point that we're rather unsettled as a nation I think when we watched what we saw last night I don't know how many of you all watched it but it's pretty unsettling to see the President of the United States in that manner and you kind of have to wonder what do our allies and our adversaries think about that and what have we come to in this country so if that's something that's on your mind eight six six thirty four truth eight six six three four eight seventy eight eighty four and just a little bit of background on me on why I'm gonna talk about this and what I do for almost 40 years for four decades now I've been a caregiver for my wife still am 86 surgeries both her legs amputated treatment by more than a hundred doctors in 13 hospitals I stopped counting after 100 doctors the medical bills have exceeded well over 15 I just it's just hard to count at this point 15 million and I've been doing this since Reagan was president and I've learned a lot about life love faith suffering challenges impairments all kinds of things and some years ago I launched a whole focus on the family caregiver on those who put themselves between a chronically impaired loved one an even worse disaster that's what I do some of you may have heard my program on this network and and certainly on the truth network podcast and I've been doing this for a long time written several books on it my newest book is called a minute for caregivers wouldn't every day feels like Monday and these are just one minute chapters that I write for the family caregiver now a family caregiver is when I started doing this people thought well you just about nursing homes no I'm not my wife's never been in a nursing home and and we've been doing this since we were in our 20s there are families out there with special needs children Down syndrome autism spina bifida all kinds of things cerebral palsy there's all kinds of things out there that don't necessarily take somebody to a nursing home then you got mental illness and certainly we have an aging population our bodies are living longer than our brains are and you have that going on with the baby boomer population and all that kind of stuff as we're getting older and then you have a category that nobody's ever really considered until I started doing this at least not nationally and that's with those who are impaired with alcohol or drugs and if you have a loved one who is chronically impaired with an addiction you are a caregiver you may not think of yourself as such but you are because it's a chronic illness it's a chronic impairment and even if they're walking in recovery which is great it's a constant fight to stay in recovery any addict will tell you that there's a great thing I just saw recently on rust half and he is very candid about his journey with addiction and gospel singer rust half my wife did it she had rested a crepe duo and you can hear it if you want to go to our website and see some of our music and so forth Gracie's an amazing singer and it's Peter rosenberger calm but Russ and Gracie did a fabulous do it and he and Tori just wonderful people have had him on my program and he's very candid about it and I'd like for you to take a look at this you go out and see his stuff and what there's a documentary on it called I still believe and and I would really appreciate going out and I know rush Russ and Tori would because these are things that we need to talk about as believers and if we don't talk about it who's going to who's going to offer the hope of the gospel into this and before I get into the whole thing with the debate and we'll carry this over the over the course of this program I want to introduce you to a concept that I want you to think about as you think about the debate from last night with Joe Biden and Donald Trump and there's this thing called what I what I call the fog of caregivers fear obligation and guilt the fog of caregivers and every caregiver will get into this fog where we become so disoriented we don't really know how to function and we can get very hurt now what do you do in a fog I know all of you have driven and you've been in a fog situation what's the first thing you do we slow down now do you turn on your high beams or you turn on your low beams you turn on your low beams why is that because if you turn on your high beams it's gonna glare back at you so when you're driving in a fog if you're trying to see too far ahead it's just gonna glare back at you you have to just deal with the light in front of you and what does scripture say about that that word is a lamp unto my feet not a searchlight a lamp sometimes we just see the next step but you have to go slow and when you are taking care of somebody with any type of chronic impairment you've got to slow down you keep that fear that obligation that fear will say what are we going to do about this how are we going to do this what's going to happen here that obligation is going to say I have to I'm supposed to I need to I should have you know I'm you know all that kind of stuff where I'm obligated to do it and then that guilt is going to hit you with all kinds of things such as I feel guilty because I can stand up and they can't or I want to watch a television show for uninterrupted for 30 minutes that kind of thing and we feel guilty we're driven by that the fog of caregivers we're going to talk about this more when we come back this is Peter Rosenberg II this is truth talk live we'll be right back welcome back to truth talk live this is Peter Rosenberg guest hosting today truth talk live eight six six three four eight seventy eight eighty four if you want to be on the program eight six six thirty four truth eight six six thirty four truth now let me ask you a question how many of you just raise your hands how many of you will think that Joe Biden demonstrated cognitive impairment last night just just a show of hands now if you think this then why was he up there and it seems like the Democrat Party and everybody else is looking at this in just a panic and they're trying to spin and he was out doing a rally today and he had a teleprompter and somebody wrote a speech for him so forth so what I get it damage is done now the whole world has seen this now I'm not coming at this from a political standpoint I'm coming at this from a caregiver standpoint because how many of you all have seen somebody in your life who has demonstrated cognitive decline who doesn't need to be driving and you're worried about them in the car you're worried about them when it comes to their checkbook the awesome power that we have invested in one man in the presidency resides in that man last night now why is he up there and who is responsible for this and as a caregiver I can tell you that my concern and my pointed comments are not necessarily for Joe Biden but for all the people around him who have enabled this and I talked about in the last block the fog of caregivers the fog of caregivers fear obligation and guilt and this is what gets us disoriented if we try to race through the fog of caregivers if we if we don't slow down if we don't really back it off we're gonna get just as hurt as if we were driving in a fog and running into a tree or running off of a cliff and this is where we are as a country right now we've seen this from from day one that's why he ran from the basement in 2020 they don't want to put him out there they knew he couldn't do it and this is not new but it's amplified now to almost deafening levels and here we are now who's it who's responsible for this is Joe Joe Biden responsible well maybe but there are lots of people around but there's one person in particular who has access to him that nobody else does and that's his wife an educated woman why is she being this way why is she allowing this to happen I saw her leading him off the stage last night somebody grabbed that on their phone and and I saw her leading him off and she's looking who says you did good you'd answer you answered every question that that is the most powerful office really in the world and that's that's the response you answered every question what responsibility does she have in this now let me give you a little bit of history here she's not the first first lady to enable a spouse with something going on in fact we can go back to Edith Wilson Woodrow Wilson had a stroke and Edith Wilson was basically de facto president for a very long time and a lot of people didn't know it we didn't have the kind of media course that day's media I don't know that you feel this way or not but our media today has been out there touting that he's just sharp and behind closed doors you know he's turning cartwheels and doing trigonometry and everything else and and now we see that they've been lying and staffers in the White House and Democrat Party and and the media and all that they've all been just basically a gaslighting the American people and the world we've all seen it now it's there we can't we can't unsee this this is not some kind of fake shot that they try to promulgate so what's going on and again you you put politics into this all you want but I'm talking about this from a caregiver standpoint this is what happens to families when they allow someone to continue past their prime past their abilities and there you go back to Edith Wilson and she did this here's what she said this is a quote from the she wrote in her memoirs Edith Wilson Woodrow Wilson's wife so began my stewardship I studied every paper sent from the different secretaries or senators and try to digest and present in tabloid form the things that despite my vigilance had to go to the president I myself never made a single decision regarding the disposition of public affairs the only decision that was mine was that what was important and what was not and the very important decision of when to present matters to my husband well that sounds like she is saying something very noble but really do you realize what she's saying she's saying I decided on what went to the president not her husband her not what went to her husband but to the president the president of the United States was having everything filtered through his wife who was not appointed and she was not elected and she made that decision nobody voted for her and so she's thinking in herself she in her mind she's doing something right she's writing this in her memoirs oh look at what I did but she disregarded the fact that the American people elected Woodrow Wilson not Edith Wilson now again there's plenty of first ladies who have enabled spouses whether it's through cognitive impairment or behavior impairment and and you could do your own search on that you know but but it's not limited to the White House some years ago Strom Thurmond I'm from South Carolina originally Strom Thurmond was at a at a at a reception and somebody looked over and he was over there he had buffalo wings that he was stuffing into his coat pocket and the sauce was just dripping out of his coat pocket and AIDS quickly rushed over there to get him and usher him away he was at the time in his it is mid 90s and he was the president and pro temp of the United States Senate and fourth in line to the presidency and he was being able to do this and then you got you remember this in 2010 Hank Johnson he became a punchline he's a congressman from Georgia who I believe is still sitting in Congress and he was worried about the overpopulation of the island of Guam that it was going to tip over in capsized and later on they try to dismiss it he was just joking I I've looked at the tape he was asking a sincere question he thought the island was going to tip over and and you can just go through representative and elected officials over over time there's so many of them and they get enabled in there if take it out of the political put it in entertainment look at Elvis Colonel Tom Parker was pushing him out on stage he needed to be in the hospital and yet the show had to go on and and I I've been able to talk with others who did it the right way I I've had a Glenn Campbell's wife on my show Kim and wonderful wonderful lady they lived when we lived in Nashville they just lived down the road from us a little bit but Glenn when he had Alzheimer's he went out on tour told everybody had Alzheimer's and then they did a documentary so it's worth seeing if you get a chance to it's called I'll be me and they the audience do he had Alzheimer's the band knew he had Alzheimer's Glenn knew he had Alzheimer's and yet they still did it as a farewell tour to say goodbye and I'm dealing with this and I want to bring awareness to this and it was it was an amazing tribute to a family that this is how we're gonna deal with this so there are there are people that do it right and there are people that don't we're gonna talk about that some more when we come back eight six six thirty four truth this is Peter Rosenberger we'll be right back welcome back to truth talk live this is Peter Rosenberger filling in today eight six six thirty four truth if you want to be a part of the program eight six six thirty four truth we're going to try to get to our calls here in just a moment but I want to finish touching on this thing because I've set the table of why I'm talking about this and I'm bringing a family caregivers point of view somebody who deals in this world because if you have somebody who exhibits these kinds of behaviors you start asking question if those questions become part of the normal conversation is that okay is mom okay is he okay if that become those those questions are legitimized in the caregiving world okay they are because we're the family's asking and people are asking people are starting to say something and if you keep dismissing it off then what's happening is you've gone from caregiving to enabling and that is a very dangerous trap a lot of caregivers find themselves in this place have we gotten there now as a country do we have a sycophantic media and the Democrat Party and at the top of the spear the first lady enabling behavior that is not okay wouldn't be the first time in this country may not be the last time but as I mentioned earlier you had a situation with Glen Campbell where he knew what was going on his family knew what was going on and everybody talked about it and he wanted to go out to the fancy I want to bring awareness of this and say goodbye I will say thank you but this is what's happened to me Bruce Willis's family did the same thing they pulled him off the movie set Billy Graham stepped away from the pulpit I mean he had one last sermon but it was you he was very open about what was going on with him with Parkinson's and everything else my father stepped away from the pulpit he has Parkinson's and he stepped away from public ministry in that regards because of the the challenges that Parkinson's were giving him and still are and so there are people that do this and and they handle it well but every family is going to deal with this at some point if you live long enough you're going to need a caregiver if you love somebody you're gonna be one okay so movie stars to presidents to evangelists everybody's gonna deal with this of having to take the keys away they're gonna have to worry about access to cooking devices and bathtubs mobile phones will be confiscated all those kinds of things and what we saw last night was a man who was not able to function in a normal fashion in the hardest job in the world and we're not the only ones that watch that by the way I mean that that did get a lot of people as viewers do you think that they watch this in China you think they watched in North Korea do you think Putin had his people watch or Putin was watching himself what do you think well of course they were so what's going on here and just as there are a lot of ways to have impairments there are a lot of ways to be enablers and you'll see people saying things like in the caregiving world oh he's just tired well that's just the way he is she's got a lot on her or he's in a lot of pain or she's just a centric or he's always been that way those are things that people use to kind of cover up last night we had a new one did you hear it oh he's got a cold well I get colds you get colds I do radio with colds and I'll come on and say hey I got a cold you know and I'll sound my voice will sound foggy and everything else and I'll sniffle a little bit I'll try not to do that into the microphone but you know I got a cold and I got a cold as listeners and and we all know we let each other in on it yeah I got a cold that's why I sound this way sorry you know those phrases that we justify this kind of stuff this is the human condition there ain't no deception like self-deception we are prone to deceive others and ourselves without objective and established safeguards the addiction of power and fame and money it's gonna blind any of us we're all susceptible to this even propping up someone beyond their capabilities and that's what we saw what we do about it how do you do this millions of people are vulnerable due to his obvious impairment last night you see that everybody sees it I mean if you got somebody who is if you have somebody who is driving and they're impaired whoever's in their path is vulnerable and if you can't get them to pull over the car you know they're going the wrong way down the interstate you have to make a decision at the point are you gonna step out of the car and tuck and roll or are you just gonna careen right into a ditch or a incoming semi or something on your own are we there yet as a country you tell me because what we saw last night is alarming it's not just alarming to those who don't particularly support Joe Biden it's alarming to people who did if you watch CNN and MSNBC and all these others who are really in the tank for the Democrat Party if you watch that afterwards they were in full-blown panic mode the pressure on Jill Biden is going to intensify I watched it on social media I could just see it just going it's going to intensify because she knows the wife knows okay the husband the spouse the children know when somebody is impaired they know now the question is what is she going to do about it and I saw that video of her helping her husband off the stage listen to go to his head and say yeah you answered every question that is not something you say to the leader of the free world after a debate you fist pound you say you knocked out of the park honey whatever but you know I my wife has come off the state my wife lives with severe disabilities both legs are gone 87 surgery she's had a tough go but she comes off a stage after singing I have never in my entire life with her said yeah hey you sing every song if she if she blew a chart I'll say hey you blew a chart you know kind of thing and she certainly said it to me you know what where were you drop that you know that's the normal kind of thing after this but you don't say yeah you answered every question and if she's helping him off those states off those steps how much longer until she steps up and helps him off the world stage and because this is the place we're in right now protection of an impaired loved one and everyone that's in their path is the number one task of being a caregiver that's the that's not the number one motivator that's just the number one task you have got to protect them and people around them if necessary caregiving is heartbreaking those of you who are doing it right now you know that it can be very heartbreaking but when you're an enabler it makes it even more painful and that's what I wanted to introduce into the conversation today I want to go to Vin in Charlotte and he wants to chime in on this Vin how you feel yes sir I feel how are you today yes can you hear me hi Peter I can I can hear you fine how are you feeling I always ask everybody who calls me how you feeling I'm fine I'm fine and I hope you are too oh I'm just precious tell me why you want to chime in on this okay I'm not gonna hold you too long last night I watched the highlights of the debate with Biden and Trump I saw what Nightline put on the air I missed the actual debate because I was at work but to make a long story short I did see finds response and Trump's response on some of the questions and I was pretty shocked at what I saw as far as how Biden responded and very concerned about his health at one point I thought I'm like my god I hope he didn't fall over and and you know what I mean I I felt that there was something mentally wrong with him I know they said that he had a cold but I also know that it was 99 degrees just this Wednesday here in Charlotte I know was high to DC as well and I didn't see any cold symptoms like coughing sneezing or sore throat he basically he basically could not answer the questions correctly oh yeah let me ask you let me ask you a question what kind of work do you do okay I do work in IT and also work it I work at a store as well the public oh yeah all the time now have you ever have you ever had to go to work when you've had a cold yes I have but it wasn't like a strong cold maybe a minor like a soil like that yeah did you have all these brain freezes why you're doing oh no that's why I'm saying this go ahead go ahead we know we know what's going on we've known this for several years oh yeah but but now we all see it but again I ask who's really who's in the driver's seat with this I mean if the person is impaired is not willing to to make most people don't want to give up their car keys willingly until they have an accident true what kind of accident is the president the United States going to make that's a good question here here's my thoughts on that as I told one of my co-workers last night when they vote they better take a good look at the running mate because that might be who take in charge make a long story short Biden if there's a mental issue that could take his life or at least make him not fit to even do anything anymore it could happen at any moment I mean this guy could go to sleep tomorrow and not wake up the next day we don't know I mean good indeed they have listen we're up against a hard break Vin and I want you to know I appreciate you chiming in because he gave us an opportunity to show yeah you got to work with a cold that's not the point the point is is this appropriate and we're going to talk some more that will be come back this is Peter Roseburg and thanks been for the call truth talk live we'll be right back welcome back to truth talk live this is Peter Roseburger in for Robby and stew and the usual suspects and glad to have you with us eight six six thirty four truth if you want to be a part of the program eight six six thirty four truth that's three four eight seven eight eight four and I want to just finish up we'll go back to the phones here in just a moment Vin made a great point in the last block where he said you know he had to go to work with a cold and everybody knows I got a cold today you know we've all done that and so if the man had a cold he could have come out last night said hey I got a cold my voice sounds raspy that's called self-awareness that's called people not trying to gaslight to do it oh there's nothing wrong with me but you know what there is something wrong now the question is what are we going to do about it and who who who is the person that we need to look at as a country and I've said I've maintained this from day one that it was dr. Biden dr. Jill Biden and she is the one that's closest and sometimes you need to just pull aside it says time to go home it's time to quit and you can take the politics out of this this has nothing to do with this has something to do with being a caregiver a responsible caregiver and what I'm asking you to look at is some of you are going to be are facing this right now in your family and virtually every one of us will face this where it's time to look at somebody we love and say it's time to turn over the keys it's time to do this I'm sorry I hate it for you but you're doing the responsible thing you're putting other people safety ahead of your own desires and this is what is required for us as caregivers to have those kinds of conversation my father doesn't drive my mother doesn't drive it's okay they're okay I know they miss it and I know they'd like it but they don't and we've all been there and right now Gracie's not driving that has nothing to do with it because I have hand controls for her but it's just right now it's just a little easier if I do everything and she's cool she's cool but when the time's right and she's ready it's all it's all good but we had the conversation and the fact that the country is now having to have this conversation should have never happened the only reason we're having it like this is because finally the whole curtains been pulled back and the world now sees what people have been hiding and enabling and gaslighting and this is a very dangerous place and if we don't speak with clarity to this issue what are the consequences if we don't speak with great clarity and authority what are the consequences now none of us have the ability to go up to the White House knock on the door and say hey y'all you know cut it out but we do have the ability to vote and we do have the ability to tell other people and introduce this conversation everybody's talking about politics right now and I get that but to my knowledge I'm the only one coming at this from a caregiver standpoint and so now I'm bringing you into that conversation I'm giving you vocabulary of these are better questions to ask you if people not comfortable with the politics everybody gets all mad you know I get all that but my question is how did we get here who's responsible and how do we transition out of this what's the next action step and what's the lesson learned and I will look no further than the first lady who knows this man and clearly is you know the Babylon bees got a thing right now that he comes off the stage and that's a good boy gives her husband a treat that's a good boy that's a good boy that's the Babylon bee right now doing this it's there it's out there now we can't undo this so anyway that's my two cents worth and if you want to see more about what I do and hear more about the fog of caregivers and understand what I what I bring to the table here you can go out to my website it's Peter Rosenberger calm that's Rosenberger that's Irish no it's not ours Rosie and BER G ER Peter Rosenberger calm you see the books and so forth all right let's go to Jane real quick in Toledo Jane good afternoon welcome to the program how you feeling Jane you with me give you one more second here then we'll go to Charles here all right let's go let's let's move on from Jane we lost Jane somewhere Charles in Dayton Ohio Charles good afternoon how you feeling okay a little bit stressed I've been a caregiver for my wife basically before COVID she had a reaction to flu shot about a year or two before COVID and she's been staying inside except for when she had to go to the doctor or the emergency room something like that and last June she had COPD coming on for a while she's a smoker she went to pulmonologist last June and he detected what he thought was a nodule and she went to Indianapolis and they said she had first-stage cancer nodule and she's had five radiation treatments in between there now and she's been back to the radiologist on call all right with Charles say that it's doing Charles I don't want to cut you off because but we're going to run out of time here what's the what's the immediate issue you're struggling with immediate thing is that after after all these years and all this stress and everything she's got gotten here recently in the last week or so she has gotten real mad at our daughters for trivial things she doesn't want to see him doesn't want to talk to him she talked about she doesn't know she wants to be around me or not she wants to be somewhere by herself she's even said some things about harming herself have you talked about this with her doctor not not with any of them she has very little to do with her doctor she's got a primary she's seen one time the pulmonologist a couple times and the radiologist and oncologist a couple times all right well listen let me give you a quick thing because I don't want to run out of time and cut this off here's here's the deal this is not a situation that gets better on its own but this is also not a situation you may be able to change but there are medical professionals who can deal with this and if you think that she is a harm to herself then you have the responsibilities like I said throughout this program that's the caregivers task is to protect that impaired loved one and everyone in their path and so you have that responsibility to make the call to her doctor and say look this is what she is saying and if she doesn't like you if she gets mad at you and she gets all those kinds of things that's that's that's fine she could get happy in the same shoe she got mad in but but your responsibility is to protect her and if she's looking at harming herself then what is your responsibility you got to raise your hand and say something and you got to call somebody and you got to call you start with her primary care doctor's office and say look I need to have a conversation here I'm a little bit overwhelmed I don't know what to do and they can point you to places at resources they may want to see her they may they may have you may have to look there may be a situation where law enforcement gets involved I don't know because I don't know all your circumstances but I know this it will not get better if you don't say something if you just let it just kind of keep going now you I think it would be are your daughters older they're they're adults now yeah then it would be good good conversation to have with your daughters pull them aside and say hey look this is what's going on and it's been recommended to me that I call you know mom's doctor and have this conversation and then you could do this have a group conference you could have a group conversation about this her behaviors obviously being noticed by others but if she's at that point where she's making threats to harm herself this is not going to resolve itself on its own so it's time for you to raise your hand and say something and if you want to bring your daughters involved get your pastor involved whatever but don't just sit there and just blow it off and say well she just this is her being hurt then then you've stepped into the enabling thing and then somebody's going to get hurt yeah you track it with me okay yeah all right you got your marching orders first first call let's call your doctors maybe then call your pastor and then get on the horn very quickly with her doctor don't wait don't wait on it okay okay I appreciate the culture also really do all right Jane I think is back in Toledo Ohio Jane good afternoon how are you feeling we've got we've got just just two minutes so yeah hold back on Biden that's a good thing because you know before a problem to be addressed has to be identified and so first for him he needs the Lord the country needs Lord I'm calling the first and a caregiver as yourself and if you have a disability I don't have sports and I know you know different people in nursing homes that's a very difficult time so you are much much and I know some sacrifice and you may have to track my speaker more but it's immeasurable what you do when you reach out and you do that because a lot of people fall through the track and so I just want to express that to you and anybody else and encourage anybody else to you know step up and you know leave out of it well that means a lot Jane it really does and I thank you so much for the call I really do appreciate that you know Jesus said very clearly that we're going to stand before him and he's going to say sick naked thirsty hungry prison stranger and he's he's pretty serious about it sick naked hungry thirsty prison stranger when did we see you like this Lord was much as you do to the least of these you do unto me he's pretty serious about it and and so I think that Jane's words were very timely and there are people out there that that need to hear the great gospel in the midst of their suffering and if we don't walk in it boldly and confidently we don't have to go brashly just confident knowing that we could speak with clarity into people's heartache we can speak with clarity into people's heartache in this political issue all the unsettledness that's going on we can do these things because of the power that we have as children of God who is given a he resides in us and we can do this but it starts with us raising our hands and say Lord send me okay this is Peter Rosenberger Peter rosenberger.com I hope you go out and take a look at the site Peter rosenberger.com thanks so much for giving me an hour today here on truth talk live we'll see you next time you've heard me talk about standing with hope over the years this is the prosthetic limb ministry that Gracie envisioned after losing both of her legs part of that outreach is our prosthetic limb recycling program did you know that prosthetic limbs can be recycled no kidding there is a correctional facility in Arizona that helps us recycle prosthetic limbs and this facility is run by a group out of Nashville called Core Civic and we met them over 11 years ago and they stepped in to help us with this recycling program of taking prostheses and you disassemble them you take the knee the foot the pylon the tube clamps the adapters the screws the liners the prosthetic socks all these things we can reuse and inmates help us do it before Core Civic came along I was sitting on the floor at our house or out of the garage and when we lived in Nashville and I had tools everywhere limbs everywhere and feet boxes of so forth that I was doing all this myself and I'd make the kids help me and it got to be too much for me and so I was very grateful that Core Civic stepped up said look we are always looking for faith-based programs that are interesting and that give inmates a sense of satisfaction and we'd love to be a part of this and that's what they're doing and you can see more about that at standingwithhope.com slash recycle so please help us get the word out that we do recycle prosthetic limbs we do arms as well but the majority of amputations are lower limb and that's where the focus of standing with hope is that's where Gracie's life is with her lower limb prostheses and she's used some of her own limbs in this outreach she's recycled I mean she's been an amputee for over 30 years so you go through a lot of legs and parts and other types of materials and you can reuse prosthetic socks and liners if they're in good shape all of this helps give the gift that keeps on walking and it goes to this prison in Arizona where it's such an extraordinary ministry think with that inmates volunteering for this they want to do it and they've had amazing times with it and I've had very moving conversation with inmates that work in this program and you can see again all of that at standingwithhope.com slash recycle they're putting together a big shipment right now for us to ship over we do this pretty regularly throughout the year as inventory rises and they need it badly in Ghana so please go out to standingwithhope.com slash recycle and get the word out and help us do more if you want to offset some of the shipping you can always go to the giving page and be a part of what we're doing there we're purchasing material in Ghana that they have to use that can't be recycled we're shipping over stuff that can be and we're doing all of this to lift others up and to point them to Christ and that's the whole purpose of everything that we do and that is why Gracie and I continue to be standing with hope standingwithhope.com