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Leave us a good five-star review on iTunes or Spotify, anywhere you get your podcasting content from. Very, very pleased to be sharing the mic with Darth Vader over here this morning. I was going to say, you know why my voice is raspy? Why's that?
Because I was yelling at somebody who left us a four-star review. I'm just kidding, that's not true. He lost his voice just absolutely.
That's not true. Scolding someone dreadfully. What's going on, man?
I did scold him dreadfully. How's it going on in the vocal range department? It's very low, very low right now. But they always turn the lights down low. So are you contagious or you just got a little respiratory thing? It's allergies.
It's allergies, man. Look, it gets colder. Look, this precious winter of yours, man, it takes no prisoners. I haven't been in winter yet. That's why I like winter. You like winter, not the fall time. I like winter because nothing blooms in winter. Things bloom in spring and fall. Spring is all the flowers. What blooms in the fall? Ragweed.
What is that? It's... Ragweed? Ragweed.
Two terrible words making up something good. Ragweed. Ragweed does this to my voice. What is ragweed? Hold on a second. Ragweed.
Hold on one second. Ragweed, pollen allergy. That's what you got? That's it. That's what you got that blooms in the fall.
That's the one right there, the hateful thing. But it's green. Okay. How is it blooming in the fall when it's green? Most blooms are green.
Most things that bloom are green. So anyway, yeah, I'm fine. I just...
I'm bad. Well, I know what can cheer you up. How about a million buckarooneys?
I do love a million dollars. Oh, man. And that's also green.
Oh, yeah, that's true, man. It is also green. But I'm not allergic to a million dollars. You know what Kermit the Frog said, it's not easy being green.
It's not easy being green. Million dollars. Yes. But you have to... Let me have it. But you have to... Now.
Oh, sorry. A million dollars. But you have to spend it in 30 minutes. As soon as you get a million... Oh, gosh. Like, you accept it, right?
Just like that. It's in your checking account. You have 30 minutes to spend every bit of it.
If you fail, you lose the money and owe 50 grand. Wow. Yeah.
Do I know this is coming... Like, can I prep for this? No, the genie appears to you. The genie just appears to you just right now. And it's like you take this wish or it's gone forever?
Yeah. I would say he'll give you like five minutes to think it over. But by the time you accept, 30 minutes begins and you have to spend every penny.
If you go a little bit over, you're fine. Yeah, I take it. But you can't spend like a billion.
You can't buy like a 300 million dollar yacht. No, I take it. You'll take it?
I take it, yeah. What would you buy? I'd put it in the bank. That's not spending it. I can't... Oh, you did say spend it. Yeah, you gotta spend it. You can't just get rid of it. I was like, I'll invest it.
It's not a dead body. I'll invest it in the bank. I'll invest it in the bank. No, actually, I don't think I can.
I don't think there's any way to do that. Buy a house. Can you do that in 30 minutes? On Zillow, right? Could you instantly buy a million dollar house right now? On Zillow? Can't you go on Zillow and just buy it like it's like a house Amazon? No. For real? It's not a house Amazon, no. What?
No, you just schedule a walkthrough and you gotta talk to an agent and you go through a realtor and you... Imagine. Imagine. Imagine. Imagine. Imagine. Imagine. Imagine. When you put it on layaway.
Imagine being a real estate agent and someone comes up, he's like sweaty and stuff. I need to buy this house now. Right now, I got 15 minutes left, dude. I'll buy a house.
So do I see it? No. And then you're stuck with a house you don't even hardly have for long. If I could prep for it, like have these people on standby, then yes, I would take that. But if I've got to like just right then you've got 30 seconds, 30 minutes in the clock starts now. I don't think I could do that. Yeah, because that's my first, that was where my mind, first went to was I'll just get a house. I don't know if I could buy a house in 30 minutes. I don't think I could buy a house in 30 minutes. Yeah, I wouldn't do it.
I also wouldn't take the money. I don't think I, I would be willing to, but I don't think I am able to spend it in 30 minutes. I'm just not that good on my feet.
Yeah. I'm just not that good on my feet. I don't think I could do it. You can be like, oh, I'll just go to the grocery store and buy a million dollars worth of groceries. But then it's like, you just wasted a million dollars.
Drive to the dealership and be like, I need a million dollars worth of cars now. Yeah, I mean, I guess I could get, see that's the thing, I could go to the dealership and just buy four or five cars, but I just don't want those. I don't want all that.
I don't want all that. I don't know. I want a house. I don't know. Why does it take time to buy a house?
Right, I didn't let us. Could you buy land in 30 minutes? I don't think you could buy land in 30 minutes. I don't even know who to buy land from. Who do you see about land? You go to the land store? Yeah, the land, Land R Us. We were not trained for this in school.
Public school didn't do me no favors. Right, I didn't let us know if you would take this deal. And if you would, how would you spend it? Call us at 252-582-5028 or you can visit us online at clearveetodayshow.com. Stay tuned, we'll be back after this. Hey, what's going on, listeners? My name is John.
And I'm Ellie. And we just want to take a second and let you know about Dr. Shah's new book on the market right now called Can We Recover the Original Text of the New Testament? Boy, that is a long title. True, but it's a very simple message. The original text of the New Testament is not only attainable, but there are lots of different ways that scholars go about discovering it. Of people out there saying that the original text is lost forever or that it's hopeless to actually try to find it. Or that there's many texts of the New Testament. But alongside Dr. David Allen Black, Dr. Shah has actually compiled papers from some of the world's leading experts in textual criticism, including one written by himself on various methodologies for extracting the original text. And listen, if you're interested in textual criticism, this book is a great introduction to the field. You can pick up your copy on Amazon or you can buy it from our church website. That's clearviewbc.org. We're gonna leave a link in the description box so you can get your copy today.
Love that. Ellie, let's hop back in. Let's do it. Welcome back to Clear View Today with Dr. Abadan Shah, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. You can visit us online at clearviewtodayshow.com.
If you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text to 252-582-5028. That's right, and we're here once again in the Clear View Today studio with Dr. Abadan Shah, who's a PhD in New Testament textual criticism. Dr. Shah, in the honor of Million Dollar Monday, we are rule bound to offer you $1 million today. I'll take it. But, well, here's the thing, the second you take it, you don't have any prep time, you don't have any lead time, you have 30 minutes to spend it.
If you don't, your face fell. You have 30 minutes to spend the million. If you don't spend all 1 million, you lose the million and you owe 50 grand. I'll be glad to spend it in 30 minutes. How do you spend a million dollars in 30 minutes? Very easy.
How? What do you buy? For one, I'll give money to missions.
We're working on getting Christian education going, Bible education, so I'll put some right there. In 30 minutes? Yeah, buy some land.
Yeah. How do you buy land in 30 minutes? So we talked about that. I was like, I could buy land. We could buy a house, I could invest it here, but I don't know that I could accomplish it in 30 minutes. You probably can't, but I bet you know people. That's true.
You probably are like, I know the right people that I can get some land in 30 minutes. Absolutely. That's crazy. Yeah, I mean. So no fear at all. No fear at all. I can have 1 million, you said 10 million.
A billion, I'll do it. Geez, Louis. Okay. It's not what you know.
That's what it is. It's who you know, I guess. So if you've got people where you can get on the phone and be like, look, I need to buy this plot of land right this second, like, yeah, why are they the money?
I know people who will sell it as well. My friend, you are 1 million dollars richer. Congratulations. Well, we'll cut the check after this episode. I genuinely, I wasn't expecting it. I was not expecting it. The verse of the day today is coming to us from Deuteronomy chapter 10, verse 21.
He is your praise and he is your God who has done for you these great and awesome things which your eyes have seen. Dr. Shaw, I don't know if it's too early to say this because our album just dropped, right? Yes. Just dropped like a couple of weeks ago. Heaven Here and Now, by the way, make sure you grab it.
It's in the link in the show notes. It has been on repeat in my house and in my car. Yes, amen. But there is an original song coming up based on this verse that he is a God who has done great and awesome things. And I remember that being a big thing with us.
I think we talked about that. That was one of our themes, that God is so awesome. You know, he's the awesome God. That's right, that's right. God is awesome and the more you glorify him, the more you lift him up, the more he blesses you to have the opportunity to glorify him. It's like a circle. The more you glorify him, the more you talk about his awesomeness and how, especially when it comes to salvation, the more he is glorified.
That's right. Would you say our God is an awesome God? He reigns from heaven above with wisdom, power, and even love. He just transported me back to the 80s. Man, that was like deep in the archives. So it's funny because everybody has that reaction, like, wow, that's old.
But see, I didn't get saved till 2007, 2008. That song was not on the radar. So we did it as a VBS song a couple of years ago, or I think you guys remember that. It was like two years ago.
My son was really little. And I heard it and I was like, this song is kind of, this kind of slaps. It's just loops over and over, but it keeps building, keeps building. I was like, this sounds great. We should end up, I was like, we are not doing that. It's so old.
And there are some churches right now who are just getting with it when it comes to contemporary music and they sing it. And I'm like, you are like 40 years too late. And I get it, I get it. That's where you have to begin. So please begin there, okay? Take, maybe shout to the Lord. Shout to the Lord. Oh, man.
That was one I never, I never really got into. Many good, good Father. Yeah, good, good Father, yeah, nah, I just.
Children's ministry is doing every move I make. Every move I make? Every move I make, I'm making you.
You make me move Jesus. Is that an old song? Oh, yeah.
I never heard that one. Early 2000s, right? Early 2000s. Early 2000s. Yeah, I missed that one completely.
I missed Awesome God in its heyday. And then I heard it, literally, I heard it at VBS two years ago. And I was like, this is kinda. Yeah, sometimes at VBS, they'll bring back around those old ones and kind of infuse new life into them. But the VBS, the way they do it, I can sing that.
Yeah, they do a good job. Yeah, I can sing those songs because the beat is fresh and they put a little twist. You got kids with some energy in it.
Yeah, they put some twist to it and energy in it. So it is fun to do that. But yeah, no, I won't sing it like the old fashioned way. No.
No, it's funny. Speaking of our God being an awesome God, you know, the plan of salvation that he's given to us. We're spending some time talking about that a little bit off mic.
And I found this TikTok that I wanted to show you. And I don't think that this guy is doing what we're gonna talk about, which is called dispensationalism. And Dr. Shaw can explain that a little bit. I'm not saying that this pastor is doing that.
I don't think he is. And I think Dr. Shaw would agree with me. But it does lead to an interesting conversation about analogies, because I love analogy.
I love, that's really how I learn to sing. Think of it like this or think of it like this with this illustration. But some people take analogies too far and they actually become doctrines themselves.
And maybe we can listen to this guy and see what's going on. Does Noah believed God? And because he believed God, he built an ark, which was God's specific instructions. This is how you will be saved. That ark, which was a means of salvation by which Noah and his family were in during the flood, the Bible tells us that when we are in Christ, by putting our faith in him, by believing God's word, when he says, this is the only way to be saved from the wrath of God against sin, by giving your life to Jesus, by being in Christ through faith, we come up out of the water.
We have acknowledged the weight of our sin and as Jesus rose from the dead, we then come up out of the water, also acknowledging that we have been risen from the dead, that we have been forgiven, that the penalty of sin, death, the power of sin to hold us in the grave is broken forever because we believe in Jesus Christ. And before we begin, his background looks like SpongeBob. It does look like SpongeBob. Oh, yeah, yeah, I didn't even notice that.
Why did they do that? Are you ready, kids? Captain, I honestly completely phased it out, but yeah, now that I see him, it looks like the very intro where you go down and you see the pineapple.
Maybe Lisa might be a SpongeBob fan. I agree with what he's saying. I have actually no problem with what he just said, but yes, and I definitely wanna deal with your question, which is, is that dispensationalism?
That's what you're asking. Correct, because I didn't know dispensationalism was a thing before last year, because we have started talking much more deeply about doctrines and especially doctrinal fallacies. And so I guess when I saw that, I didn't know if that fell under dispensationalism. I don't know if he's advocating for that. When he says that the ark is a means of salvation, is that an accurate thing to say in that they were saved from the flood, or is it like, hey, because you built that ark, you are now going to heaven, you're deemed righteous. That's your plan of salvation.
Yeah, I don't think so. I think that's what, I don't think he is saying that, but just to give our listeners, our viewers, a quick tutorial on dispensationalism. I have two books here with me. The first one is Dispensationalism by Charles Ryrie, and this is revised and expanded version.
And as you can see, I've read it through and through. He even brings up progressive dispensationalism. For those of you who are not familiar with this, dispensationalists overall believe that the most important thing when it comes to the scriptures is not salvation. It's the glory of God. Kinda sounds very much like reformed as well.
I was gonna say, that sounds like a reformed thing. But that's what they believe. It's not just salvation, it's the glory of God. So don't look at it as it's all about Jesus coming down on the cross. Although that undergirds everything, it's not the ultimate thing that God is after.
The ultimate thing that God is after is his own glory. So why would they even go that route? Is it like so important to do that? Well, they will say, and again, for those of you who know what I'm talking about, you're like, cut to the chase.
For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, they're like, please explain, because I have no clue what you're talking about. It all comes down to prophecies regarding Israel in the end of times. Some of those prophecies talk about the temple. They talk about sacrifices. They talk about the old worship coming back, and this time, even better, like Malachi says.
Even better than in former days. So based on those kind of passages, they say, well, then, of course, Christ's death, burial, resurrection, the plan of salvation, salvation being graced through faith, is sort of the bottom line there, but in different times in the history of the world, seven different seasons, I guess, dispensations, God has worked with his people and required a different act of obedience to salvation. So there are seven dispensations. The first one would be the dispensation of innocence. This is where, in the Garden of Eden, this is prior to the sin. Like they didn't have to do anything. They were already saved because they were innocent. Yeah, in that stage, God just, that's how they were.
Gotcha. They were glorifying God. Then there's a conscience stage comes in because their eyes are open. Then there is the human government. You talk about Tower of Babel and all that stuff that happens, which is Genesis 9, starting in verse one, and then going down.
Let me see if I can quickly find that for us, just to give people an understanding. Genesis chapter nine, starting in verse one, this is where God works with Noah, and the flood is over, and be fruitful, multiply. Once again, let's do this. And then, of course, as you know, human government, the Tower of Babel and all that comes in at that point. So that goes on. Then there is the dispensation of promise. This is from Genesis 12, calling of Abraham, all the way to the law that God gave in Exodus 19. Then the dispensation of the law, which is Exodus 20, going all the way into the time of Christ. He came, offered the kingdom to his people.
They rejected him. This is the dispensation of law. Then the dispensation of grace, which is Acts chapter two, where the Holy Spirit came in all power. Dispensation of grace, the church is born.
There's a distinction between Israel and the church that goes on until Revelation chapter 20, verse three. And then finally comes the Millennial Kingdom, which is the final dispensation. So when people say that, they say, right now we're living in an age of grace. We're living under grace.
Yeah, that's like a dispensational lingual. Like the implication being, before this, we would have had to follow the law. That's how you're saved. But now we don't have to, because we're under grace. Even then they will acknowledge that it's not the law that saves you. It's simply following, this is your responsibility, and you will fail, there's a judgment, and then there is grace to move on. So it's not like that saves you.
You will fail. Bottom line, dispensationalism says, in every scenario, God offers redemption, people reject, there is judgment, and then there is the grace to keep moving. As in every dispensation, God is working with people. I mean, I think it's unnecessary to do all that, just to preserve the prophecies for ethnic Israel in the end of time. So can you explain why the prophecies of ethnic Israel require, quote unquote, required dispensations? They don't. I don't believe that. That was my question, is it that it's unnecessary or that it's a harmful approach? I think it's a harmful approach, yeah. Not for a minute will I say that these people who hold on to dispensationalism are like just dummies. Not true.
No, they're not. I mean, they're very smart people. Like Charles Ryrie, I held up his book. I don't agree with the dispensational theology, but not for a moment will I say I haven't used Charles Ryrie to enhance my understanding of the Bible, theology, things like that.
No, brilliant guy. Is it harmful because it undermines the cross? I don't think they're trying to undermine the cross.
They're trying to do several things. Number one, they're trying to make sure the literal hermeneutics is maintained. Again, I think sometimes dispensational theologians or those who hold to it are often mis-curricature, I guess you can say, as being literalistic. Literalistic, like they see an analogy and they're still gonna try to, you know, God has hands. Oh, look, God has hands.
Where are the hands of God? They're not doing that. They understand figures of speech. But they are trying to be as literal as possible. So when the Bible talks about 1,000 years of millennial rule for Israel, it's 1,000 years.
It's 1,000 years. And I agree. I think as much as possible, you need to be a consistent literalist, okay? They also are trying to maintain the distinction between Israel and the church, which, by the way, covenant theology doesn't do that. I agree with dispensationalism. And that's when somebody will say, well, then you are a dispensationalist.
I'm like, no, I'm not, yeah. They make good points, but their overall theology isn't correct. Because I believe in every so-called dispensations, which I don't think that's really accurate, but throughout the history of the world, in every age, there always has been one story. And I can still maintain the distinction between Israel and the church and still maintain one story.
I don't have to resort to this system. Is it fair to think about the difference between your approach and dispensationalism as dispensationalism would be a many different books in a series versus your approach would be different chapters in one book? Yeah, I think it's a good way to say that.
I would agree with that. Is it a way to separate the church from Israel? Like, is it a way to say, look, because of these different dispensations, we're the main characters now.
Maybe you had your shot in the past, but now the church is the main. That's what you, are you saying dispensationalism? I'm saying, is that what they're doing?
Dispensationalism? Probably, but your chapter's gonna end. Right. Another chapter is coming for Israel. Which, guess what?
I agree with that. It's in the text. It's in the Old Testament. It's in Romans.
It's in the book of Revelation. It's there, so you have to maintain that. But I don't think you have to resort to these dispensations to have this whole system of a pattern of responsibility, failure, judgment, and grace to move on.
I don't think that's really, you have to really force it. I like Walter Kaiser. Walter Kaiser, I mean, I lean heavily on his work, but it doesn't mean I'm like a Kaiserite or anything. But he came up with a system called Epangalism.
Epangalism says, it's really his promise plan of God, where there is one story, and yes, you need to read it literally, the single literal meaning. I agree with Walter Kaiser, but I also think there is room for double meaning. I think there's room for the fuller meaning.
I think there is a room for that. Walter Kaiser may be a little more restrictive on that. And Walter Kaiser also maintained a distinction between Israel and the church, which I also maintain.
But I'm not sold out to Walter Kaiser in every area. And he was dispensational? No, he wouldn't characterize himself as a dispensationalist. Okay, okay, okay. I guess another question I have, I know we're running short on time, so maybe this could be like a lightning round answer, but is your major disagreement with dispensationalism because there's not enough biblical evidence to support it, or because it's logically inconsistent, or it's logically, it doesn't work out?
It leads you to places you don't want to go. I would say not enough evidence to support it. But I don't go to the covenant theology camp either. Gotcha.
Okay? The reason I don't go there is because they don't have a distinction between Israel and the church, right? That's why I don't hold to covenant theology. Whether it is the newer form of covenant theology or the older form. Because again, in dispensationalism, you have the classical, you know, like the Darby and Schofield type. Then you have the revised, which is more like Charles Ryrie type.
Then you have the progressive, which is more like the Craig Blazing and Darryl Bock type. Those are different, you know, dispensationalism has sort of evolved. So has covenant theology is also evolved.
It's gone from the strict, you know, the same story, which is what I agree with. But then they know Israel, and then they bring up passages like, you know, not all Israel is Israel, like Paul says or, you know, stuff like that. But I think taken in the context, they're wrong. Yes, always that was the case. Not all Israel was Israel. But God did choose those people and gave them certain promises and certain blessings that he said he will fulfill them. And they were unconditional promises. So there are covenants that God made with his people that were conditional, and then they were unconditional. Mosaic covenant sort of conditional, but then there's the new covenant, which was unconditional. The covenant God made with Abraham, unconditional.
He was asleep. That's when God made that covenant with him. Do you find that scholars or even just lay Christians, and we really got to wrap up, but do you find that they are so eager to be in a camp that they will, it's like, I don't really agree with that, but I'm gonna just not think about it.
I'm just gonna not ignore it. It's easier, it's easier to just pick a camp. It's easier to just say, oh, I'll go with David Jeremiah. And I like David Jeremiah, but he's a dispensationalist. And he's great, man of God. I mean, wow, he's on Truth Network as well. But I don't have to necessarily say, oh, I'm a follower of that. I've gone to hear him preached and loved it.
Great job. I mean, he talks about the end times, does a wonderful job. So he talks about distinction between Israel and the church. I cheer him on.
I may not agree with other things, but I don't think he kind of focuses on those other things anyways, because I think he also realizes this may not be something to really push when the benefits are very meager. So let's just talk about the end times are gonna be bad. God has a plan for Israel, stand with Israel. And I'm like, amen. Covenant theology, guys, when they preach and they talk about Christ being the center, the focus, he is the one through and through. I'm like, great, preach on, because that's 100% true. Typology, yes, I'm preaching through judges.
And you're talking about typologies. Great, great, great. Israel is a type of Christ.
No. And here's where we part company. This is where we part company with the covenant brothers. It's so helpful for people to hear that though, because I think, Jon, you hit the nail on the head.
People are eager to belong to a camp. And we fall into this false line of reasoning where we just have to buy into whatever that camp espouses. Like if I line up here, then I have to believe all of these other things because they're attached.
Well, no, that's not true. And I can imagine there's some frustration out there because I'm listening to you talk. And so there's people who, even still they can't get their mind around it. So they're like, so you're not a Calvinist. It's like, no, I'm not a Calvinist. But you agree with Calvin.
Some, but not all of it. But you're not a dispensationalist. But you agree with them.
I agree with some of it. I think Calvin himself would not be the five-point Calvinist that we made him out to be. But I think that leads to people, the freshness, so they're like, just what are you? And it's like, I'm a Christian now. I'm a Christian. I'm a Christian who thinks.
I don't know. Exactly, I'm a Christian who thinks. And I know it's hard for some people to have that way of thinking like I do because they haven't studied. I'm not saying I'm the only one who does this.
There are others who do. So hopefully this radio show will help you go, wait, okay, this helps. Yeah.
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