1-9-24 After Hours with Amy Lawrence PODCAST: Hour 2

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Perfect as in record, not perfect as in the road to get to this point. But a 15-0 mark and some sweet redemption of course for one Jim Harbaugh who served a three game suspension for violating the Big Ten's sportsmanship policy and still has some ongoing challenges, ongoing opportunities he believes to defend himself and his coaching record, his choices. And so the Michigan Wolverines, in his words, do exactly what needed to be done. They win the national championship and it plays out the way that it was supposed to.

And why? Because he says we're innocent. These players, they're innocent. And for now, Jim Harbaugh has the last laugh. What does his future hold? Will he bolt to the NFL? There certainly will be teams that are interested in him if they believe they can pry him away from Michigan. And I appreciate what Shahan Jayarajah told us last hour from Houston, which is, now his sense is that Jim Harbaugh will leave because of the lore of the incredible money that you can get coaching. Not that Michigan isn't paying him big time boocoo bucks because that's untrue. And there are a lot of these major schools, especially after winning a championship, that will then go to extremes and will offer up any amount necessary to keep what they believe is not just a world class coach, but a coach that is synonymous with the football program. A coach that brings recruits just by virtue of his name, his reputation. He's the most recognizable figure in Michigan right now.

And once you get to the point where you're kind of in that rarefied air, like a Nick Saban, for example, and he's not the only one, he just happens to be one of them that comes to mind right away. Well, doors open for Michigan football, not only the national championship, the fact that they're in what is about to become even more of a behemoth of a conference, that they get national TV appearances and a ton of attention, that there's money there. I always hear athletic directors, administrators, coaches say after winning a national title, the dividends, they pour in not just the financial windfall that comes with the victory, but the type of recruiting and advertising you just can't pay for. Every time a team participates in a Final Four, for instance, enrollment applications, they go way up. And that's not for athletes, though certainly there's a bump in recruiting. There's significant increased interest among athletes once they see a program win a national championship or get to play on some of the sports grandest stages like the Final Four. No, it's actual general enrollment applications that go up. Again, because you can't pay for this kind of advertising. So Michigan will see a major bump, which means the president, the administration, the athletic director, they can afford to give Jim Harbaugh a big raise if that's what he's after, but maybe what he wants is a new challenge.

I know this because it's something that I've thought about personally. At what point is it time for a change? At what point is it time for a new opportunity to be nine years in one place?

And it depends on your personality, too. Are you the kind of person that wants a new challenge that needs a fresh opportunity, needs just a fresh start after a certain period of time? I mean, he's climbed to the pinnacle of this mountain. He did not win a Super Bowl in the NFL, though he got to one. And his team, his Niners had great success when he was there. The clashes came with Trent Baalke, who was the general manager.

You can't win that type of a peeing contest with your boss most of the time. And so he went to Michigan, so he got a little more autonomy, a little less of the having to deal with alpha male GMs, and now has finished what he started nine years ago. So it all, again, kind of depends on his personality and where he is a state of mind. Does he want to do this again or does he want to go back to the NFL where there's not the recruiting piece of it? Certainly not the rules like scouting in person, that type of thing, though you're not allowed to tape or film your opponents practices. But it's a little less restrictive, even as college football turns into the wild, wild west.

It definitely is less restrictive when your players are all professional athletes. And there will be chances for him if that's what he decides to do. Gosh, you can imagine there are two or three teams now, if not more than that, that would be thrilled to get a conversation with him and to have a chance at him and say, hey, we've got this amount of money, we've got this autonomy, we've got this quarterback, we've got these players, we've got these draft picks.

Here's what we can offer you. And to see whether or not it will rattle the cage a bit, at least stir up thoughts of this opportunity, a new opportunity in the NFL. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. Easy transition right into the Black Monday portion of the show. Not any major surprises, unless you believe that, for instance, the Saints keeping Dennis Allen as head coach is a big surprise. Maybe you were expecting more of the pink slips. I always wonder why they didn't call it Pink Monday.

It's Black Monday. Maybe you were expecting there would be more changes. I don't think we've seen the last of it. Still, jury is out on Bill Belichick with the New England Patriots. And honestly, even the small blip that he gave us on Monday in his end of year address to the media. A 24th season in the books and he's still busy evaluating what went wrong. I'm in a contract. I do what I always do, which is every day I come in, work as hard as I can to help the team in whatever way I can.

So that's what I'm going to continue to do. Certainly sounds like he's under the weather a bit. Yeah, generally won't even talk about a contract, won't even mention that. But he did say, I'm under contract. And we know now news broke about midway through the season that he did sign a new long term extension last offseason. It wasn't public.

It didn't get out until they were already well into this season. But Belichick's future with the Patriots is uncertain. Supposed to meet with Bob Kraft, be his son.

Consider some changes in structure if that's the way they decide to go. Belichick did indicate that he's willing to do whatever it takes. If he decides to stay there, he's willing to do whatever it takes to help the team win.

And yeah, three of the last four seasons have been losing records. So maybe it is time for a new general manager or would he give up some of his power over personnel? Gosh, I think we could point to multiple examples of where his personnel decisions, even over coaches, have not panned out lately. Not that anyone's going to tell them who to hire as a head coach or I'm sorry, who to hire as an assistant coach. So that is still a situation very much in limbo.

But there are others where we've had some definition. No surprise, Ron Rivera let go by the Washington commanders. One of the new owners, the new majority owner, Josh Harris, saying what we really all expected because of this change in ownership right before the season. We've decided to part ways with Ron Rivera. We appreciate Ron's efforts and everything he did for the franchise. I mean, obviously he came here during a tumultuous time period, the ownership change, and he really added leadership. But clearly, you know, we weren't good enough this year. We didn't get it done on the field. And so we've decided to go into a new direction. I love that he limits it to this year.

What is it? Eight different starting quarterbacks for Ron Rivera under this revolving door that that the commanders had going constantly from the time he took over. He and the front office tried a lot of different opportunity or a lot of different options. Excuse me, at the quarterback spot, they tried everything and it wasn't all their fault. Right. It wasn't all poor choices.

Some of it was injuries, but never could really find the right fit. So not a big surprise there. They want to pick their own person. I think one thing that did surprise me is who Josh Harris hired or who he brought in to help them figure out what they want to do next. Did you see that one of the consultants or one of the voices, the great minds they will employ to help them figure out their next direction is the former GM and architect of the Warriors, Bob Myers.

And that's really interesting. And we knew he wasn't retiring. He was kind of taking a step back. He felt like it was time for him to leave Golden State. But it wasn't because he didn't have the desire to work anymore, only that he felt like it was the right time to move on from the Warriors. Again, the idea of seeking a new opportunity, needing a change, needing a fresh start, that's not foreign.

Certainly not something that many of us don't encounter after being in a job for a longer period of time and maybe feeling like you're in a rut, feeling like you need to change, feeling like you need some new inspiration. Josh Harris also answered questions about Bob Myers and bringing him in to help with the next coaching search. Bob Myers is a winner, like who wouldn't want him on your team trying to help your franchise? He knows how to identify talent. He knows how to build winning franchises, winning cultures. He's obviously not a football person. He's not been around football, but he's an amazing sports executive and I'm really happy to have him helping. He'll be around as an advisor to me. He's not going to be involved with X's and O's, but he'll be involved through the search process and beyond as it relates to the Washington commanders helping us build an amazing franchise, an amazing culture and a winning culture.

I don't know that they're starting from scratch because Ron Rivera has mentioned this multiple times that the franchise is a much better place, mostly because the Sniders are no longer involved, but also because he, Ron Rivera, helped to clean up the culture. Ron Rivera has a different standard. It's discipline. It's accountability. I'm a huge fan of his leadership. Forming relationships and teaching from there, leading through relationships as opposed to a dictator.

The really good guy, obviously we know what he's been through personally, but he did have final say in all football decisions and he also hired the team's front office, so the buck stopped with him. Yeah, they were better in terms of culture. I think they have planted the seeds for a winning culture, but the winning wasn't coming quickly enough. So remember they won the NFC East going back to 2020. That was the COVID year, obviously. Every team in the NFC East was below 500. It was a miserable season for that division. So they did win the division and hosted Tom Brady's Buccaneers. That was the first win for the Bucks on their way to their Super Bowl. He had four seasons.

This one was among the worst at 4 and 13. It's not all on quarterback, but they never could find the right answer there. So I like this idea of Bob Myers coming in who brings a perspective that's outside football, a winning perspective as Josh Harris points out. But they did also tab former Vikings GM Rick Spielman to give the the football side of things. And he goes back 30 years in NFL front offices.

It's after hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. It's almost a who's who. Magic Johnson, part of this ownership group. I mean, we're talking about winners. And if you know Josh's track record with the Sixers. I know it ends with the second round, but with the Sixers, also with the New Jersey Devils, one of the the young, younger, hotter teams in the NFL.

NFL, sorry. The NHL last season came up with a first round playoff series win and they're well on their way. They've assembled a ton of good, young talent. And so every time you change administrations, every time you change coaches, you obviously start fresh. But I do think the franchise is in a better place than it was.

I would agree with that. They've got the number two overall pick in this spring's draft. A lot of salary cap space among the most in the NFL in these next few months. So there are some attractive elements to offer to a new head coach. Not to mention you play in the NFC East and the DC Metro. It's a franchise that has incredible tradition and a very passionate fan base. Even though I think they're a little more cynical, a little hardened over the past 20 years or so.

Lowered expectations, if you will, but definitely passionate. Ron Rivera saw name changes and ownership changes and quarterback changes and every other change under the sun. And now I look for him to find a place where there's less turmoil.

I hope that he does. All right, we'll get to some of the other coaching changes. Again, not a surprise in Washington at all. But what else on the horizon? And who's safe that maybe you thought was getting does boot or could be a candidate for Black Monday? Gosh, the NFC South is still a mess.

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You are listening to the After Hours podcast. It's a Touchdown Tuesday on After Hours. Firing for the end zone. Touchdown! Touchdown! Touchdown!

One man to beat ten. He's gone. They throw to the end zone. Touchdown!

Pay the guy a miss. He's inside the five. He's to the three, two, one. Tons the center zone thing into the end zone. Touchdown! To cast your vote for the TD of the Week, head to at After Hours, CBS on Twitter.

Or give us a call at 855-212-4227. The New Orleans Saints. Second and 11.

Third quarter. Saints have it at the Falcon 26-yard line. Snap to Carr.

Here comes some pressure. Carr stands, now lost one towards the end zone. And that is going to be caught! Caught! Tipped up in the air! Chris Olale touchdown! He tipped it up into the air to himself! For the touchdown!

The Green Bay Packers. Love up to the line of scrimmage. Changing the play. Plenty of time to go on the play clock. Now they're down to five. Down to two. Here's the snap. Love throws over the middle.

Got his man! Inside the five. Reaching for the end zone. Touchdown!

Don Davian Weks beating Kyler Gordon out of slant off the left side. And the Packers have a 13-6 lead. The Pittsburgh Steelers. Third and fourth. Their own 29 to start the fourth quarter. Tied at seven with their playoff hopes.

Largely riding on this game. Snap back. Cam Rudolf. Gunson on the middle. That's caught! At midfield! Wide open! Deontay Johnson running down the hash mark. 10-5! Touchdown! 71 yards and the Steelers playoff hopes very much alive. The Buffalo Bills. Jake Bailey punts this one away.

It's a wobbler. Backing Hardy up to his own five. Gets to the 10, to the 15. Threw a hole to the 20. 25-30! He could go! 50-40!

They're not gonna get him! Deontay Hardy going the distance for the touchdown. And we're an extra point away from a tie ball game. What a play by Deontay Hardy. He backs up and retreats to almost the goal line. 95-yard punt return for a touchdown. Every time I see that particular highlight reel moment for Hardy in the punt return, not only does it underscore how much of a momentum grabber it was in the Bills game against Miami before they ran away with the AFC East title, but also he gets to midfield and there is no one who's anywhere close.

By the time he's gotten to midfield, he's done all the work. It was pretty incredible. He could actually slow up before he got all the way to the opposite end zone. Chris Brown with the call on the Bills radio network of that 95-yard punt return.

95-96, depending upon where you're looking. Deontay Johnson, Steelers radio with that 71-yard touchdown in the Monsoon against the Ravens in Baltimore. That was the big strike for Mason Rudolph. Jordan Love, pair of touchdowns to Dontavian Wicks, but that second one was a beaut. Wayne Larrabee on Packers radio and Chris Olave juggling a touchdown.

Juggling the ball just for fun, just for dramatic effect. The Saints run up the score on the Atlanta Falcons and Arthur Smith takes exception. So you can vote for the TD of the week following week 18. It's this NFL version of course. It's on Twitter after our CBS or on our Facebook page and we'd love to hear from you.

We'll reveal your winner a little bit later this week. It's the Saints who will retain their head coach in Dennis Allen, but the Falcons who let go Arthur Smith. The owner of the Falcons, Arthur Blank, already looking ahead to their next coaching hire. There is no timetable. The only timetable is to do this correctly. Take our time, be thoughtful, do all the interviews, be respectful.

Make sure we have a full diverse slate of candidates that we're considering in every way. And give each and every one of them an opportunity to express their vision for our football team, for our franchise, for the roster, and where we are and where we expect to go. One losing season since Super Bowl 51. That ill-fated moment in Falcons history, but at least they were in the Super Bowl. I think you take that now, as painful as the Super Bowl loss was, one winning season, no playoffs.

And so here they go again, shuffling the deck. Dan Quinn, by the way, and I think of him because he was the head coach before Arthur Blank before Arthur Blank hired Arthur Smith, Quinn in hot demand again in this coaching carousel, this off-season. The last I heard he had three, maybe three coaching, at least coaching interviews, and we'll see how many of them he takes and whether or not he's interested.

Yeah, right now he's once again a hot commodity. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. Pete Carroll says he will coach again with the Seahawks next season. I'm not even sure why that question is being asked, but in case you're wondering, Pete Carroll is returning, at least if he has his way he is, and I can't imagine the Seahawks would fire or part ways with the one piece that keeps them relevant every single year. Doug Peterson obviously not getting fired, so I only bring him up to say that Jacksonville with this stunning final six weeks of the season in which they screw around, they squander a prime opportunity to win the AFC South to continue building towards being a contender, like a legit contender in a crowded AFC.

Man, what a disappointment. I'm seriously stunned by the way that they failed to protect what was a two and a half game lead in their division, but Peterson fired his D coordinator Mike Caldwell and a bunch of defensive assistants on Monday, so that's a big change. And speaking of defense, Brian Dabel and Wink Martindale was the defensive coordinator for the Giants. Parting ways, going separate ways, they'd been at odds. The reports were that that was major friction there. The two of them did not get along. It did not see eye to eye, whether or not it was personal, whether it was professional, and that makes the Giants defense this season even more impressive.

But that was maybe not a huge surprise, although the defense was probably the best performing unit on the Giants this year. But Wink Martindale and Brian Dabel were, like I said, reportedly didn't like each other, not getting along. Again, read into it what you will. It's a lot of alpha males. It's a lot of men that make a ton of money to be able to implement their own ideas, to be able to have some say and to have a hand in winning. And when you get personality conflicts, a lot of times they're exacerbated by the pressure of the situation or just exacerbated by these kind of bucking against authority and who tells who what to do and yada, yada, yada.

And so it doesn't surprise me whenever you have these types of comics. We were just talking about Jim Harbaugh. He and Trent Bulky never really could get along their relationship. I guess when they were winning, they would tolerate each other, right?

But in San Francisco, ultimately, it was one alpha male who won out over the other. And that situation plays out in a lot of different locker rooms. It just happens to be worse when teams are losing, right? So when you're winning, you kind of tolerate.

When you're losing, well, then it becomes a major issue. Speaking of losing, at the top of the hour, gosh, why didn't you hear what Draymond Green has to say as he rejoins the Golden State Warriors who've really been scuffing along since he's been suspended? Explosive.

What should we call it? Explosive reveal by Draymond about how serious he was about retiring weeks ago. Wasn't expecting that, but I guess a lot of what he's navigated. And I'm not saying it isn't created by his own poor choices, by his own bad temper, by his own lack of self-control, by him allowing his emotions to drive him as opposed to him channeling those emotions for good. A lot of this he's brought on himself and he was warned by the NBA that there was a zero tolerance policy after everything that happened with Rudy Gobert and the choke hold. But to hear him talk about the R word, wow, that's jarring. So we'll get to that at the top of the hour in his own words.

And also who talked him out of it? I think that's fascinating. So yeah, Black Monday, coaching changes, a national championship certainly fits even as we talk about the NFL and the possibilities for Jim Harbaugh and Marco Belletti here in studio. Would you want Jim on your wall, so to speak? Would you want him driving your team?

Depending on how the team looks or whatever the situation is. But yeah, I mean, he's a damn good head coach. And I'll say this, if anyone in the NFL comes knocking and I'm starting to get the vibe of anyone, I don't think Jim Harbaugh stays because he's been flirting with the NFL each of the last couple of years.

And he basically said it on, I believe it was signing day. I want the Vikings job if they want me. And they didn't want you yet.

They didn't even offer you yet. He wants to be in the NFL. Doesn't mean that he didn't want to win at Michigan. Doesn't mean that he didn't like being there.

I'm not saying that. Well, now he's even more attractive as a coach. Again, I don't know why he didn't have a job offer the last couple of years. He went to three NFC championship games, took a team to a Super Bowl. When did he not know how to coach?

That was never a question. It's just a question of his personality and whether or not you feel like he's the right guy to lead your team and what your GM is and how is he going to be able to, I don't want to say fall in line, but working in lockstep with. Well, that was one of the issues is that reportedly Jim Harbaugh wanted a little bit too much autonomy for the Vikings liking, the Vikings likings. Yeah. And that's understandable. It depends on, like I said, it's the situation. But if you're a team Washington that has nobody there, why would you not want Jim Harbaugh to come in and run your entire organization?

Could you imagine both the hardballs in that Metro Baltimore and Washington? It makes sense. If you're the Chargers, they don't have a GM either in place. Now I'm not saying you make them the GM, but you can look at it and go, all right, we want Jim Harbaugh. Who do you want to work with? And let's go from there. Usually want to hire the GM first.

I understand that, but there are certain coaches that you'll acquiesce a little bit of power too. And you'll go, you know what? We'll get the guy that you want to work with. You guys will work together in some particle. I want your vision. So what do you want to do?

How do you want to do it? And you hire them together and make them, you know, in that regard, instead of going the traditional of GM first, then you go hire the coach. I know the coach I want. Let me figure out who you want to work with to make this thing work.

I would be willing to do that in the right situation. Now, if you're telling me I'm a team that's got a GM that I'm comfortable with, then no, I'm not going to handcuff you with a coach you don't want. Well, so here's one example of how it works really well. In San Francisco, Kyle Shanahan picked, handpicked his general manager, who is John Lynch. The two of them were not only a package deal in San Fran, but John actually, as much as he is the GM, he does not have final say. It's Kyle who has final say. Now, the two of them work very closely together. There's no move that's made without the two of them giving their own input.

They come from completely different perspectives. Kyle didn't play in the NFL. He's the son of a very successful head coach. He's been in coaching forever. John played. He's a Hall of Famer. He comes from a completely different perspective with player personnel. So the two of them work together extremely well, but it is Kyle who has the final say. And Kyle picked John to come with him to the Bay Area. That's difficult.

And that's a rarity. And I feel like that's going to continue to work as long as they continue to win. You throw in a 4-13 season with that, and all of a sudden you're going to see a GM going, wait a minute, you have final say. You have final say with what's on the field. That to me is something, you talked about it before, when you're winning, it's a lot easier to let a lot of these personality things and the alpha stuff go. It's difficult for me if you've got a GM in place and a coach in place to say the GM's in charge of getting all the players, but doesn't have final say in the players.

That's a little, now I feel like we've gone a little too far. But it could work because obviously it's working with the 49ers. Well, and they struggle at the beginning. I mean, they had to clean house.

They had to start over. They've had some really rough seasons going back to when, remember the last year with Colin Kaepernick, they bring in Jimmy Garoppolo after that. Those guys weren't there though. That's what I mean. That wasn't John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan. The end of Colin Kaepernick was Chip Kelly. That's why. That's the whole thing. Are you sure? I thought Kaepernick was there for the first year of Kyle Shanahan.

No. Kaepernick was there for two years after Harbaugh. He was there for the Tom Sula and the Chip Kelly.

One year back to back errors in San Francisco. So again, it's easier. They've won since Kyle Shanahan has gotten there.

They haven't won the ultimate prize, but they've gotten close and they've been consistent winners. It's difficult to do that power structure. If you're not constantly winning, because at some point someone's going to get a little annoyed. I mean, I don't underestimate the value of relationships. I mean, pre-existing relationships and the fact that you've agreed, you know, this is how it goes. I don't think every relationship breaks up just because things are pressure. Let's just say that's abnormal. Yeah, I agree.

Definitely abnormal. But I don't think it's doomed to break up at some point. Not necessarily doomed, although I probably go the negative route.

I would say it probably is if you're going to lose at some point. Now, they've shown that they could put together a roster and they've been able to overcome one of the biggest draft mistakes in Trey Lance that you could possibly have. Right.

And they've been able to overcome that. So I don't see the demise of the 49ers coming anytime soon. But if you're asking me, going back to the Jim Harbaugh thing, I can go in lockstep with you kind of almost handpicking your GM, but I don't know if I want to go so far as to take a GM and then give them the title and then say, but you have zero power. Like, I might want to alter the title or alter your relationship just because I feel like I'm setting myself up for at some point, someone's going to get annoyed here.

Let me try to quell that before we start. So we'll see what happens with Jim Harbaugh. There will be openings on Twitter. ALaw Radio, you can vote for not just Monday MVP for a little bit longer, but also TD of the week.

And then our Facebook page, too. We're going to get to your calls here coming up. It's After Hours on CBS Sports Radio. You are listening to the After Hours podcast. Not striving to be creating any buzz, just striving to coach the football team, not trying to be popular or anything.

Anyone who's popular is bound to be disliked. So just coaching football. This is After Hours with Amy Lawrence. I would say he's about the same guy. Nine years ago, Jim Harbaugh introduced at Michigan as the brand new head coach after he and the Niners parted ways and their championship earned on Monday night in Houston against Washington nine years in the making. But will this coach end up back in the NFL come next football season?

That question remains to be answered. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio 855-212-4227. Ken is listening in Lansing. Welcome to After Hours. Hey, Amy, this is my first time calling your show. Derek, it sounds pretty good.

Thank you. I'm a huge Wolverine fan and I just got a little thing I want to say to some of them cheating, guys calling us cheaters and this and that. You know, you gave a guy a Hamburg. Of course, we had to use all him sign-stealing techniques on the powerhouses of the Big Ten West like Nebraska, Minnesota and Iowa. I think we beat them by a combined score between the three by like 135 to 10. But when we were so-called caught cheating the very next game, we buried MSU 49 to nothing, their largest loss ever at Spartan Stadium. And then we lose Harbaugh for the last three last three games.

And then, you know, six games span. We beat four top 10 teams and we didn't just beat them. We kicked some ass. We beat up Alabama. We out Alabama, Alabama. Nick Saban said so himself. And, you know, off the Pac-10, that little throw and go game, we got some people that can put pressure on a quarterback class.

We proved tonight. We only sacked him once, but we put enough pressure on that fella. Did you see how he limped off the field at the end of the game?

You know, I did. He was definitely in pain. There was a lot of pressure on him and never did get comfortable. And I, you know, I actually thought he should have won the Heisman. He throws a beautiful ball. He does. He throws people open like Joe Burrow used to do in college.

You know, he literally just put it out there, put enough touch on it to let you run underneath. I mean, he's a hell of a quarterback, but, uh, I'm so proud of Jim Harbaugh in our last 43 games. We are 40 and three, the best run in my life, Michigan football.

I'm 67 years old. I got to watch the game with my three adult son tonight and the Alabama game. And let me tell you, there was a whole lot of hugging going on.

I can't imagine. That's awesome. It's so nice when you can share it over generations. Yeah.

And I actually went to Walmart today and got just a picture off of a phone. I got four eight by tens and a nice frame for each one of us to give them to him tonight. That's awesome. Good for you. It's a beautiful thing. Good. I'm so glad.

Yeah. How will you feel if he ends up leaving for the NFL? You know, I won't have a problem with that. When he came here, he said he would give us seven years. Well, he gave us nine and he put up with a lot of crap from some so-called wannabe thugs called the NCAA who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground and they're nothing but bullies. Okay. All right.

All right. You know, he just, uh, he did what he came here to do. He won a national title.

We beat Ohio state three years in a row. He's got us on the right course and I would love to see him go to the pros. He, uh, I don't want to lose it, but he, he's got, he just can't let go of that nagging feeling.

He wants to beat his brother in the Superbowl. Well, that would, that would be quite the feat for them both to get there at the same time. But also just the idea that they would, uh, again, right. But just the idea that they would, uh, be able to match up and, and that, uh, they could strike that chord would be really cool. I can see them both, uh, working toward that and having extra incentive to do that once again, you know?

Oh yeah. And the thing is, uh, Jim is so competitive. He's a, he's so, so competitive. I've become, I've become friends with the running back that played with them when they were gone. And we'd be, he said he is one, one, uh, very competitive person, very competitive, but you can see that, you know, I just love where we're at right now.

Sharon Moore, I think could take the reins and deliver us a pretty good product. You know, what I don't like is losing Bryce underwood to LSU, but I went to a Belleville game, a playoff game this fall. And it had a CJ car from Celine who was committed to Notre Dame and Bryce didn't commit until Saturday. And then he picks the losers from LSU. Well, there was a man behind my son when we were watching that playoff game, he told my son LSU has already offered him a $3.1 million NIL deal, whatever you want to call it. Crazy.

That's crazy. It's certainly going to change a lot even now for Michigan as one of the top programs in football. Thank you, Ken, for your phone call. What winning a national championship does is automatically boost enrollment, boost your profile.

You get your run a couple of years with your pick of the litter. When it comes to recruits, it really does help. And man, the big 10 is just about to expand again to after hours. CBS Sports Radio.

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