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Give me a call. Today, I released some articles on the distinction of persons between God the Father and Jesus. Another one, Table Comparison of the Father and Jesus the Son.

I had to title that way for what's called search engine optimization. If you were to go into the table one, that's what I was talking about this whole week and how much research I was doing. There's so much more I could do, but I wanted to do some pretty in-depth research on the issue of oneness. Oneness Pentecostalism denies the doctrine of the Trinity. It says God is one person, requires baptism for salvation, and the baptism has to be, quote unquote, in Jesus' name. You can't say in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. It has to be in Jesus' name.

Basically, it's a cult, non-Christian cult. I've been working on that. I've got a Bible study tomorrow night, and I'll be prepping up on that. What I've been doing, and if you're interested in watching, you can. We put it up on the calendar. My goal, like last week, is to put up the notes on the website, the exact notes I will use to teach through. You could print them up if you wanted, make extra notes if you wanted, and do that.

Also, one of the guys in the Bible study helped me set up a TV so that we have a TV over my head, and we lock it into the laptop so that I can go into the Greek, and I can show people stuff at interlinears. People like that, don't you? You guys like that? Laura and Charlie, you like that? Yep, they're nodding.

Yeah, they're definitely nodding. If you want to watch the show, not a big deal, I'm just sitting here with my headset on, you can just go to the CARM website, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G, on the homepage, the right-hand side, you'll see my ugly mug. You click on that, it'll take you to the link, and you can just watch me sitting here talking and headset on.

But the good thing is you get to participate in with the people in the chat area. There's some good people there. Vicki Gower, she's chopped me a couple of times, made some good insults.

I remember that was a couple, three months ago, really good. And Laura helps out a lot, and they talk a lot about making sandwiches. I don't know what the deal is with it. Why would they talk about making sandwiches so much? They do that a lot there.

I think the ladies like making sandwiches, I don't know. And Laura's smiling and shaking her head negatively at the same time. You see, why would someone shake their head negatively while smiling affirmatively?

That's a confusing thing, but, you know, it's girl logic. I'm not going to worry about it. All right. Hey, we have five open lines. Why don't you give me a call? 8772072276. Vicki's saying that the women stick together.

That's right. That reminds me, we do have a prayer ministry run by one of the, it's a really neat lady, Joanne. If you want prayer, you need prayer. You can just email us at prayer at karm.org.

That's C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. Email us there and say, hey, you know, you need prayer about something. And then what she does is she sends the messages out to people and works on that. So that's really good. Laura, what she does, what does Laura do anyway? I don't know. She actually helps with SEO, search engine optimization. She's doing a little bit of that. Charlie does the stuff with the links.

They both put links in, I think, during the show here. So we have, you know, it's kind of a dynamic thing. And then we have Luke Wayne, who he fills in for me every now and then.

He writes articles and things like that. And so there you go. I just kind of impromptu catching up. All right. Hey, why don't you give me a call? 8772072276. I want to hear from you.

Give me a call. We can talk about whatever you want to talk about. We could talk about our government and how bad it is.

The leftists. We could talk about abortion. We could talk about Christian theology, logic, why Christianity is the only way to make sense of anything.

We could talk about all kinds of stuff. I've been researching in evolution. I've been researching endogenous retroviruses and collecting information on that. It's a deep study, a long study. I don't do it for eight hours a day, but I read at night, make notes. And before I go to bed or in bed, I'm even studying a lot of times in order to go to sleep. I'll sit there and I'll read books and highlight things and then get tired and turn over, go to sleep. And so I'll do that. And then later I take the information and put it on line and and all kind of stuff. Endogenous retroviruses are what the evolutionists say are the proof that evolution is true. And the more I'm learning about it, the more I'm convinced, no, it's not proof.

And God in his infinite wisdom designed certain things, certain ways and be collecting information on that. So there you go. Hey, where are you? Give me a call.

8772072276. All the phones are working and lines are working. That's OK. So past couple of days, we've been talking about the issue of women, pastors and elders. It's come up and and so it's something worth discussing. It's it is worth discussing. And I've said it before. And I think a lot of people, though, they just kind of dismiss my rants about it. And they don't really listen.

And, you know, I would love to be able to hold a seminar just on this topic. And why women are not to be pastors, elders or deacons and what the significance is of the male headship and where it originates and why it's there. Not that males are better than females. It's just that they're different positionally.

That's all that's going on. A lot of times women don't like the idea of submission and not being in control. That's part of the curse. Just to remind you, Jesus voluntarily became one of us in submission to the will of the Father. And he was exalted in that. And so there are roles to play. And we have different purposes and different things that we need to do inside the Christian church. So there's a lot of stuff there.

There's just a lot of stuff to talk about. And the reason I think it's important is because it undermines the church and it makes the church weak when women are pastors and elders. And it undermines the headship. It undermines the theology. And I think it weakens the strength and masculinity that is due to the male gender. And that's what I believe.

So there's a lot of stuff there. And if you want to discuss that with me, hey, give me a call and we can talk. All right. No big deal. 877-207-2276.

Why don't we get to Anonymous from North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. How you doing, Mr. Slick? Doing all right, man. Doing all right. Hanging in there. I wanted to say I do appreciate everything you do.

Take time out of your day to help educate people. Brother, I'm along in the faith and I really do appreciate what you do. Praise God. I had a quick question. I had two questions. When I when I prayed, I know that I read and the disciples asked and teachers had to pray. We said we would pray, pray our father who art in heaven. And what I got from that was I'm supposed to pray to the father. But I know also there were times when he said, If you ask, you ask him my name.

So I was like, OK. So does it matter if I pray to Jesus or am I exclusively supposed to pray to the father? You can do all, all of those. Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

There are three persons. Now, there's no prayer mentioned to the Holy Spirit specifically. Jesus does in Matthew 6 and 6 9 and following, he says, pray to the father who art in heaven. But he also says in John 14, 14, ask me anything in my name and I will do it. And there's a phrase in the Old Testament to call upon the name of the Lord, call upon the name of Yahweh. And that is a phrase that encompasses prayer. If you go to Psalm 116 4, I called upon the name of Yahweh.

Oh, Yahweh, I beseech you, save my life. And so it's a prayer. Now that phrase, call upon the name of Yahweh, was translated by the Jews into the Greek equivalent of the Old Testament called the Septuagint. They translated it into the phrase, call upon the name of the Lord, hakurias, the Lord. That phrase, call upon the name of the Lord, the whole phrase is used by Paul in the address to Jesus. In 1 Corinthians 1 verse 2, to everyone everywhere who calls upon the name of the Lord Jesus. So it calls upon the name of the Lord of us Jesus in the Greek.

So what's going on is Paul is attributing that quality of prayer and adoration, worship, et cetera, to the person of Christ. And so therefore we can pray to the father, we can pray to Jesus, and by default we can pray to the Holy Spirit. But what I often do, I always pray to the Lord Jesus. Sometimes I'll say Lord God, whatever, but I do that with Jesus because of my work. When I pray, I want people to understand they can pray to Christ because no cults will pray to Jesus. They'll pray through him. But official cult theology always denies prayer to Jesus, just through Jesus. And so I will pray to Jesus, just like I did in the Bible, because the true Jesus is prayed to. A false Jesus is only prayed through. So it's one of the things I do, and I give a lot of information there, but I hope that helps.

Nice. Okay, the other question that I had was kind of two questions. Is it incorrect for a woman to be preaching in the church? Yes, a woman should not preach the gospel, not preach in an authoritative position from the pulpit. She should not be preaching in the church. Right. It's not her place.

She cannot be a pastor of a church. Okay, okay. And the last question that I had, I hope I'm not doing too much, but I don't know if I remember reading this correctly, but I think it was towards a husband and wife situation where it was instructing a woman to correct her husband by her actions. Yes. Let them see your deeds instead of going and telling them and telling them. Instead of doing that, let your actions speak to them so that it can be won over.

Yes. Can you tell me where that is so I can read that again? I'll have to find it now because I don't know where that verse is. Let me see if I can find it.

Women to teach husbands by example. Okay, Bible. Let's see. And let's see.

Where is that? I'd like to know where these verses are and have them memorized. But I'll find it.

Maybe someone in the... Charlie will beat me to it. He knows verses I don't know and vice versa. So he puts them in there sometimes.

And sometimes people just happen to know it, they'll put them in there. So it's really helpful if I don't know a verse. Oh, I know where it is. It's in 1 Peter 3. What am I thinking?

1 Peter 3. I believe so. Let's see.

Your adornment must not be merely external. In fact, this is a really interesting pericope. So let me, when we get back to the break, let me expound on it a little bit, teach on it. Because it'll be 1 Peter 3, 1 through 7.

It'll be really interesting stuff. Okay? So hold on. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages.

May the Lord bless you during the break. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show.

Three open lines, 877-207-2276. All right, are you still there, Anonymous? Yes, sir, I am.

All right. Now, it's a good opportunity here to teach a little bit, if you don't mind. Oh, man, I love it, man.

I love it, man. I listen just so I can hear you teach. Okay. Now, just so you guys know, when I teach this, I teach it because, well, the topic came up. But when I teach marriage stuff, I always go to the men first. And you guys know, if you listen to me on the radio, I really talk about the men's responsibilities and a lot of the failures that they're under, et cetera. You don't hear me talk about women very often. Men with no responsibility. But because this topic came up, here we go.

This is 1 Peter 3.1. In the same way you wives be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior. Now, let me explain. A lot of women don't understand something. Men, get this. See, men will respect each other in our successes as well as our failures. It means we're doing, it means we're trying. Failure is part of what we do. Not because we're incompetent buffoons, but because, hey, we do stuff and we try. We got to lead and we don't always do it perfectly. We know when we make mistakes.

We know when we've blown it. And here's a really small example of something. We got a new, some filters in for our water filter thing. And I put, there's two of them, I put one of them in wrong. And that's why we're having problems.

And I found out today that I put the one, two days ago, I put the filter in wrong. My wife was there and I said, hey, I messed up. And she's very good. She goes, eh, it happens, you know, whatever. Now we know. So she's good about it, you know. Because I fessed up.

I am the one who put it together and I put it in correctly. She doesn't need to say, oh, look how incompetent you are. She doesn't need to say anything like, oh, you couldn't do that right, could you? Those kinds of things, which some women do, in word and sometimes without word, but by an expression. Men pick up the expression. And if you do research, you'll find out that something like 80 to 90% of the intention in communication is without words. It's like you should show people when I'm in person, I could show them body language things about how this works. And I could say, here's a body language signal that means this and this.

And people go, man, it's true, it's right. So women can have that ability to do this. They don't need to lecture their husbands.

But what they need to do is uplift them. Now, there's psychological emotional reasons for this. Let me explain something. Let's say your husband goes out there in the garage.

He's trying to build a workbench or a table for the house or something. It doesn't really matter. And so let's say that it just turns out not to be very good, okay? It happens. Not to be very good. And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I could have done better. This didn't work. I ran out of this.

I blew it here. What would happen if the wife said, you are, you know, not that they would do this, this directly, you're incompetent. Then if anything like that by direct or indirect words or by actions or expression is conveyed to the husband, he's not going to want to trust her anymore. He's not going to want to do anything really anymore in that area, okay? He's not going to trust her.

Now, let me exaggerate the point. Let's just say then he comes in. He goes, look, I made this.

Look, one leg's shorter. I've got to fix this. And it's going to take me another 20 bucks and another day and I'll fix it. And she, whatever she were to say, you know, I'm so excited about you doing stuff. You know what?

Here's a hamburger or here's some smooching stuff. And, you know, she's positive towards him. Well, what's going to happen next time he makes a mistake?

He's going to run in there. Hey, honey, look. Look, I was trying something. It didn't work out right. Okay.

He's not going to be afraid and he's going to be encouraged to do more things. Now, this is real subtle, but this kind of thing is really important. Women don't understand that we as men already know when we mess up, you don't have to remind us. And it goes on and says, your adornment must be not be merely external braided hair, wearing gold jewelry, putting on dresses. We want you to look good, but that's not, it's not merely that, not only that, but here's where it's supposed to be with a woman.

Let it be in the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, a gentle and quiet spirit. Now I'm going to ask you ladies out there, do you have a gentle and quiet spirit with your husband? Do you? Are you respectful to your husbands? Do you talk bad about them behind their backs to your friends? Do you disrespect them in your attitudes, in your words, in your expressions, in your size, in your facial expressions, your movements?

Do you show that? It's called passive aggressive. You do that, or are you trying to uplift your husband and obey God by displaying an imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God? So women, if you want to be precious to your men, first be precious to God.

You see, it's just the same way. We're supposed to love God, right? Well, God says, okay, then love your wives. We're going to show us that before we love our wives, we've got to love God because he's the source of our love. He's the one who teaches us what it is. We've got to love him. We've got to know what it means to love him. And then we express it to our wives because the source of love is God himself.

He is patient. Jesus is our example. We want to emulate him, and so we serve and we do things as Christian men. Likewise, women are to be considered, they want to be precious in the sight of God, then let them treat their husbands with gentleness and quiet attitude and respect.

That's not to say, you know, he drives a car into the garage and he's drunk all the time and everything's okay. Now, we're not talking about that because those are things we've got to take care of and you get the church involved and all that kind of stuff. But I can't teach them all this right now. Now it says in verse 4 of 1 Peter 3 that the women are to deal with their husbands in the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit. Men will respond to that because when you become gentle in your heart, they don't have to spend time fighting against you. If they're not fighting against you because you're doing whatever, then they're going to start to love you. They're going to start to want to provide for you and start doing things, and when they do, you've got to encourage them. That's what women are great at. Just don't mother them, okay?

Don't be their mothers. Now look at this. Here's some theology. This is verse 5. For in this way, in former times, the holy women also, wait a minute, the holy women were like this in the Old Testament. You want to be a holy woman, precious in the sight of God?

Or do you want to demand your rights and set your boundaries, and you want to make sure that you're not trampled on because that's what's most important? In other words, me, me, me, not my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, okay? Now, in this way, in former times, the holy women also who hoped in God used to adorn themselves being submissive to their own husbands. Submission, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, is voluntary. Obedience is not. Jesus Christ was in submission to the Father in a loving relationship.

Now here we go. Just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear. In other words, trust God.

Don't worry about it. You trust him. Then notice what Peter says, that Sarah called Abraham Lord. So how many wives would call their husbands Lord? It's right there in the Bible.

Women will say, no, I would never do that to my husband. Well, why not? After that break, I'll explain the theology behind it, why it's important. It'll only take me a couple of minutes, and then we can get on with the, it's anonymous here. Thanks for being patient. Hey, we'll be right back, folks, after these messages. Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. I want to welcome back to the show. Let's get back to anonymous. Hey, buddy.

Are you still there? I don't know if he's there or not, but I'm on hold. We'll see. I'm going to finish up on this verse because it's important. Just as, I'll stop.

It's 1 Peter 3, 6. Just as Sarah called Abraham Lord. Why would she do that? Women need to understand something. Their husbands are in the place and the condition of being the spiritual leaders of the house as they represent Christ. And because of that, the lordship of them in that home is extant. It means that it belongs to them.

It's them. It belongs to them by the nature of their job and their position. And if men don't like it, I just tell them that's your problem. This is your responsibility. A lot of times in marriage, people don't realize. You do what you're supposed to do, even if you don't feel like it. You do what's right. You honor God and you do what you're supposed to do because you know it's right before God. That's what we're supposed to be doing, whether we like it or not.

That's the wisdom inside the truth of God's word. And men have this responsibility, but since we're talking about women, let me just say this that women, you have a very great amount of power in a marriage and you can, without even realizing it, increase or decrease the harmony of your marriage and the success of your husband. And a lot of times, women, what they want to do is correct their husband and they know they can't say it with words, but they want to do it by just letting them know they're displeased. And I'm not saying never be displeased with your husband, of course. The issue here is, though, it's a manipulation of control and that is something that needs to be abandoned because then what you're doing is you're taking what belongs to God and you're suiting that position and saying, I'm going to be the one who's going to instruct my husband.

You've got a word, but I'm going to instruct him by my attitude, my size, my whatever it's going to be, and I'll get him to improve. That's not your job. It is not your job that is stealing from God his position of working in the husband's life. And you wouldn't want the husband doing that to you, the same thing, because it's also a theft of that responsibility.

And so you see, we need biblical theology of marriage, not the stuff that the world gives. Anyway, Anonymous, are you still there? Yes, sir, I am. All right, buddy. I didn't get through all that.

It's really important stuff. No, that was good, man. That was really good.

That's a short version. Is it wrong for, it's wrong for pastors like TD Jakes and these other guys charging a hundred thousand dollars to come preach at your church? Oh, I don't know if he does or doesn't. TD Jakes is a heretic who denies the Trinity, but you know, you can charge whatever you want to charge. Okay, that's your view between you and God and the church. But I thought you were supposed to give the word freely.

Yes, but what I'm saying is, first, you can charge what you want to charge if you want to charge, but that's exactly the issue. Freely give. When I go to speak someplace, or they ask me to preach someplace, I never bring up money, and I don't ask to be rewarded with money. If they offer it, I graciously receive it, and if they don't, I graciously thank them for the opportunity to teach and preach. It doesn't matter to me. And when they say to me, how much do you charge, I say, I don't worry about it.

That's between you and God. If you want to support me, that's good. And what I do say is, at least we would like it if you covered our expenses. People have had to go out and do things, and I got to pay even to go teach them. So anyway, stuff like that.

So $100,000? No, I would consider that to be an abuse, a great abuse. And what should somebody do if they're teaching a dance class, but they're teaching praise dance? A friend of mine had asked me that question, and I said, I don't know what to tell you, but if you're doing praise dance, I don't see how you could charge them to show them dance moves, because it's praise dancing. What I suggested was, you should separate your classes. You should have two classes, one where there's praise dancing, and then there's one where you can teach just straight dance, and you can charge those people.

Well there are things about that. So we're going to have a seminar here pretty soon on something, and then we're going to, at CARM, we're going to start charging to have seminars, because we're going to have people come in online, we're going to teach, there's going to be a lot of work, a lot of stuff, and so we're going to ask people to help support us, one of the ways to support the ministry, and we have that right, not the obligation, we have the right to do that. But as I say with the schools, for example, we have three online schools, and they cost $33 each, or if you buy two, I mean all three, you get one for free, you get a good discount.

But I'll also say it, I'll say it again, if anybody wants those schools, learn.carm.org, you can't afford them and you want them, you just email us and say, I can't afford it, can I have them for free? They go, okay. We just give it away.

So we want to minister to people, that's the main thing, but we do have to keep the lights on too. So there's a balance. Right. Okay? Right. All right, buddy. Hey, thank you so much for your time, man. All right, man, God bless. All right, let's get to Anthony from Virginia, Anthony, welcome, you're on the air, man.

How you doing, Matt? Heard y'all talking about the role of woman in the church, and this comment got brought up before, but I kind of wanted to go into it a little deeper. The Bible says in the Old and New Testament, they were female prophets, so if one of them stood up in the church and gave the revelation, should we tell them to be quiet, or should we listen to them? An Old Testament prophet is different than a New Testament prophet, and 1 Corinthians 14, it's a gift of the charismatic movement of the Holy Spirit for prophecy. It's also concomitant in the church as a whole with word of knowledge, word of wisdom. And so they're not in an office of prophet the way the Old Testament was. So it's a different thing. If a woman were to, if I was a pastor, the woman said that she thinks she has a prophecy from God, I'd say, okay, well, you know, as long as it wasn't out of order, I'd say, okay, what do you think?

What is it? And the Bible says in 1 Corinthians 14 that the people are to judge at that point, whether it's true or not or whatever. So no problem, but that's not, that she's not in a position of ecclesiastical authority preaching and teaching of the congregation, okay? So that's it.

Not a problem. Just like a word of knowledge, or what if someone's had a tongue, an interpretation of a tongue, and a woman got up and gave an interpretation of a tongue, and there's an instruction in it. I don't see a problem with that. They're not to be pastors, elders, or deacons. Wait. So you said a whole lot.

It's just yes or no. Can a woman speak a prophecy in a church to teach a congregation? Okay. She can speak a prophecy in the church, yes, she can. But she's not in the position of being a pastor or an elder in any authoritative sense, okay?

So let's just, all right, well, all right, that makes sense. Hold on. Do you affirm women pastors?

Do you affirm women pastors? I mean, I'm, I don't, I honestly don't think it's that big of a deal. Okay. Okay.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. So here's a question. Do you affirm women pastors, either affirm or you don't affirm? I think, I think it, I'm not sold on the notion that they are, it's, you know, forbidding for them to be pastors. Let me try this again with another question. Do you affirm women pastors?

I think they could potentially be pastors. Okay. So the answer is yes. I shouldn't have to ask the same question three times to get a direct answer from you. What you need to do is you need to repent from that false teaching. Paul the apostle is giving instruction in first Corinthians 3 15 on how we're to behave in the household of God. The previous chapter, he said, he does not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but remain silent for Adam was first created.

So do you affirm that Paul said that first of all, that a woman is not to teach or exercise authority, but remain silent for Adam was first created and in the context of giving instruction to the church, do you affirm that Paul said that? Yeah, but he, that's in contradiction to what you just said earlier. No, it's not in contradiction to what I said earlier. You weren't listening. I said someone giving a prophecy is not the office of pastor or teacher. Okay. Well, what you just said there was that they can't even teach, which they should be able to teach.

You need to listen. First of all, do you agree with what Paul the apostle said there or not? Do you agree or disagree? Well, you have to understand Paul said, I forbid women, so I don't, you have to agree or disagree with Paul.

I disagree or do you disagree with Paul? Simple. I disagree. I disagree. Okay. You stand over judgment in Paul, the apostle who's giving instruction to the church. Wow. No, because I'm not.

You just did that. You said you disagree with Paul. So is Paul wrong? All Paul said is I prohibit women from speaking.

That's right. Is Paul wrong? Well, he wasn't saying it needs to be done everything. Is Paul wrong?

Come on. Is he wrong? He was not giving a general injunction to the entire church. Was Paul the apostle wrong when he said he does not allow it in a church because Adam was first created. And then he says in the next chapter, he's giving instruction on how to behave in the household of God. So he's giving specific instruction to the church and how the church is to behave.

So now, do you agree with Paul or do you disagree with Paul? Think of the answer. We come back in the break. Folks, notice what's happening.

We got to go to the break here. Notice what's happening. He can't answer direct questions. This is why people don't want to debate me on this topic because I'll keep doing the same thing I'm doing to him. What does the word of God say?

Oh, now he's judging Paul. Wow. Folks, we'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Anthony, are you still there? Yes.

So, I got a question for you. Why do you deny the authority and right of Paul the Apostle to instruct the church? I'm not denying his right and authority to instruct the church. I'm just saying he only... Then, what he said is authoritative, right?

It was. Then, are you going to submit to his teaching? Well, as I was trying to explain, it doesn't seem like he was making a universal proclamation for the entire church. He was just saying what he does in his time.

He says, I don't allow it, and then he says, I'll have to read it to you because this is something that's important. The next chapter, he says, but in case I'm delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God. So, is he instructing them in how to behave in the household of God?

He is, but when you're talking about the... So then, if he's giving them instruction, he says he doesn't allow it, then that's instruction to the church, isn't it? It is, but the way he phrases it, he just says that's what he does. So, that's right, because he's an apostle of God.

That's what he does. Should you follow the apostle? We should follow the apostles, but we should also recognize when they're speaking about a practice that they're doing by their own authority in a practice... So he's giving instruction to the household of God. He's in his apostolic authority.

That's what he's doing. Now, do you know that a pastor is an elder? First Timothy 5.17, the elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who are regarded preaching and teaching.

So, a pastor preaches, a pastor is by default an elder, right? Right. Okay.

Right. And he says, Paul says in Titus 1, verse 5, for this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set an order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, namely if a man is above reproach, the husband of one wife. So, tell me, how does a woman fit that? You say it's okay for a woman to preach and teach. You deny Paul's authority and teaching thing in there, you're excusing that, and yet he says an elder is to be the husband of one wife, Anarimioskonikos, man of one woman. You just conflated again teaching and preaching with being a pastor or an elder, so it's not the same thing. I asked you.

We have to. I asked you. And I went to First Timothy 5.17 and I read you the text. The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. So, is a pastor a preacher teacher? Yes. Okay.

Okay. So, he's in the position of an elder. The elders who work hard at preaching and teaching, he preaches and teaches, he's an elder. Paul says the elders are to be husbands of one wife.

How does a woman fit that bill? Okay, this is getting back to the topic of what we were discussing, which is that, yes, Paul does give that instruction, but he's also, like I was saying earlier, and you haven't refuted this, he's only saying that that's what he does. He doesn't make it. That's what he does. I agreed with you. That's what he does as the apostle called by Jesus, and then he says he's giving instruction to the church about what he does and does not allow.

That's exactly what's happening. Why do you contradict Paul? Are you better than Paul the apostle? You know more than him? No, I'm not.

I'm not. So, you would allow it in the church, right? He doesn't allow it, but you would, right?

Right? Can you show me any place where it says this is how all churches are to operate? He says he's giving his instruction to the household of God, the church.

That's what he says. 1 Timothy 3.15, I keep referring this to you. So let me ask you, if you were a pastor of a church, would you allow women pastors and elders in contradiction to what Paul said? Would you?

If I thought they were the best ones for the job, I probably would. Oh, okay. All right.

Okay. Men like you who are a shame to the Christian faith. You need to repent. You need to submit yourself to the word of God.

You need to stand up like a man and stand up for what the word of God says and stop putting the word of God under your feet to serve your own preferences in concert with secular humanistic philosophy. Let's get to Alex from Arizona. Alex, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, what's up, brother? I'm normally in Orlando, but I'm on vacation. I'm normally in Orlando? I play in Orlando?

The station's there? I don't know. No, I said I'm normally in Orlando, but I'm on vacation in Arizona. Oh, okay, good. Okay.

I didn't hear you. Right. Okay. So what do you got, buddy? What's up? That's okay. Hey, quick question, brother. I wanted to go to a Jehovah's Witness hall or a Mormon temple.

I remember you talking about it before. Do you have to be invited by someone usually or can you just go? A kingdom hall, you can just walk in. Not a problem.

Don't cause any problems. A temple, you can't go in because you're a gentile, you're not a Mormon, and only they who had the temple recommend after a full year paying tithes and doing everything right and they get the temple recommend and they can go in and under the statue of Moroni, not Christ, not the Lord, not a cross, the crucifixion, but an angel because they're under submission of that angel. At any rate, then they can do that, but the only way non-Mormons can go into the temple is during the dedication time when it's open to the public. And so if you can find one that's open to the public, you can go in. And I've been in several. And one of them I know for a fact they knew who I was.

And they had some escorts follow me around. And I was very polite, you know, and I'm not gonna cause any problems. Yeah. Yeah. So just so I get you right, if someone invites me, that doesn't work. It has to be during this dedication time?

For the Mormon temple, that's correct. Okay. Okay. And the other guy, that other guy that called in just now, he's just an atheist, brother. You know, he's just trolling you.

He always calls in. Yeah. There's so many people I talk to, in fact, I talked to somebody about this last night, that there's so many people I communicate with that my brain just can't remember everybody.

Seriously. But I do remember you, you know, and the recommendation. And I had another recommendation for you. I was thinking today, I was going, you know what, I got another recommendation, something that would be helpful for you.

And it was diluted apple cider vinegar with four tablespoons of olive oil and two tablespoons of salt. I figured just put them in there and give it a go and see what it does for you. You know, I was thinking. Yeah. Yeah.

So I wake up, I just empty out all the contacts from the night before and then just go about my day. That's it. That's it.

You wanted to worry for several days. That's correct. Yeah. I told my wife that I'm like, I'm now the guy who calls in the mass quick show and I'm the baking soda vitamin C guy. That's a great, great. I still do that.

And it still works. I think you just did it wrong, you know, you just couldn't handle it, you know, we'll agree to disagree. All right, man. Okay.

We got another call. So I'm gonna get going. All right, buddy. God bless, brother. All right, Alex. God bless. Okay.

Let's see. Let's get to Courtney from Ohio. Courtney welcome. You're on the air. Hey.

Hi. I had a question that kind of like piggybacks on an old question probably from a few weeks ago that I asked you, I don't know if you remember, but I had a friend who listens to a guy and he won't say the word the in front of Holy Spirit, he only says Holy Spirit. And you gave me some really good information and I have lots of Bible verses, do you remember this?

Oh my gosh, this is so stupid because I know why. It's usually when they deny the personhood of the Holy Spirit and that's what happens. And so the Holy Spirit is a force, right?

That's all. Well, I've not heard him say that, he just won't say the, and it's very odd, like I just picked up on it and I'm like, this guy never says the Holy Spirit, it's almost like he's using it like a game. Well, how about this?

Ephesians 4.30, I looked at the Greek just now, and Ephesians 4.30, do not grieve the Holy Spirit and the word the is in the Greek. Okay. Oh, well that's awesome. I was going to say also, where did you learn that cults do that, you told me that they dropped definite articles and I was wondering if you have an article about that. No, I don't.

Okay. On that particularly, it's just an experience. The Jehovah's Witnesses won't say the Holy Spirit to say, you need Holy Spirit, it's like saying you need electricity.

You don't say, you need the electricity. Oh, Jehovah's Witnesses do that? Yes. Oh. Mm-hmm.

Yep. Okay. So they say Holy Spirit, they won't say the Holy Spirit, interesting. Right, because the the designates something apart from their theological perspective, let's just say that. Okay. And then my second question had to do with that guy.

Well, it wasn't just him, I mean it was, I think he had a couple collars on there. I was wondering, why is it when people get off with the women being pastors things, why does that affect other doctrines? Because if you don't take this seriously, then what it means is you're interpreting it in such a way to make culture dominant over scripture.

And as soon as you do that, you're essentially calling God a liar and the Spirit of God will not bless you and work with you if you're going against what he has revealed. And that's one effect. The other effect is that men, whether they like it or not, have certain spiritual responsibilities they need to step up to the plate and they need to do what they got to do as men. In American culture lately, masculinity is under heavy, heavy attack. And so men don't know how to be men anymore.

And so one of the things I want to do among other projects is to do nothing but a study of Jesus the man and how he was, because he's the perfect man, and then teach out of what I learned from what Christ did, how he was, including patience and love and also harshness. There were times when he did these, all of them. And so, yeah. I have heard that. That's usually what people say, too, is, oh, well, the culture was different back in Paul's day. So that's why he said that.

But it's okay now. Well, yeah. They'll say that.

That makes sense what you just said. And I'll say to them, okay, so what was the culture back then? And then they say...

Meaning that women were, like, preservient, that's what people thought on it. Were they? Were they? How do they know that? Were they getting this?

They hearing this stuff? Women could get away with things men could not. In Proverbs 31, women could own land and be in charge of households, and that was no light thing. It was not like stay home and be barefoot and pregnant.

No. You ran the home, and it was often with servants and with other people and farmland and other things that were going on. Women did this regularly. They're not to be underestimated, not in the Bible. And so, you know, they get this idea, oh, you know, patriarchy and women were suppressed and owned.

No. Now, there were some things they don't agree with. You know, they couldn't vote, but they didn't have a vote system back then. They could own property, too. They couldn't have what's called primogeniture, but that's because of gender, and they weren't to be pastors and elders, but okay. So women have a lot of gifts, a lot, and they're to be respected and they're to be loved and honored. So anyway, when people say this stuff, they don't know what they're doing.

What's the cultural norms? Tell me. What are they? Do you know them? No. Then what are you saying this for? You're just spreading gossip is what it amounts to.

Well they've heard somebody else say it, so they say it. That's the reason. So then then, yeah. Well, that's gossip.

I think. Yeah, that's called gossip. Oh, that's true. That's gossip, okay.

Men can be gossipers, too. All right. Thanks, Matt. All right. God bless. Okay. Hey, folks.

We're out of time. There's the music tonight. In two hours, I'll be on Clubhouse, club deck on the computer, Clubhouse on the phone, just doing Q&A for a couple hours. You can find me there. Do it for Matt Slick on Clubhouse on your phone if you're interested. God bless everybody. By God's grace, talk to you tomorrow. Another program powered by the Truth Network.