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July 26, 2022 1:10 am
The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. Why is it apologetic to research what is found alive on board you have questions of our Bible doctrines maps what why branches are called responded to your questions at 877207276 here's Matt slick 72072276 okay from unit five open lines wide open so we got will talk about Mormonism Joe's witnesses Christmas lights unity behind this long Eastern orthodoxy UFOs. The occult evolution apologetic theology all kinds talk about show how today I was online and working on no working on what she was working on working on something tonight. I decided to go into the direction and workouts anyway shirtless to some people talk about things.
I was in this this room. It's a discussion discussing theology. I really do and I was in his room and the Southeast Dutch guy just starts talking smack about the I mean, will you know I'm alive here.
I'm no good dishonest food and so you know I typed it will defend myself and I can't help but know you're just guilty and so I started a room discussing the toxic and filled up quickly and so we discussed up with Catholicism as well. Somebody came in, I tell you, you know I enjoy the kind of stuff just like I enjoy hearing hate mail tomorrow Fridays.
Would you hate me. I love it when people insult me what it is that I get a kick out of it. We had one yesterday after the show was your magnificent clown you don't chuckle and I just was also had to know something just thinking about it makes me feel good. So the other something always is wrong with me and you know so why would someone like that enjoyment will I just do all right. He will let you know that we still nearby your support if you like what you hear on the show and you want to support. It's all you do is go to Carn.org CRM.org/donate you'll be able to help us out. You will do if you want yes five dollars a month is not much five dollars a month this helps. We try to get a thousand people to do that. Let me sell a lot of money but is not in the broad scheme of things because we have the missionaries in Brazil, Columbia, Turkey and in Africa supporting boots on the ground doing stuff and were transporting this we can have a lot does not rich and everything that you don't donate helps us to further the kingdom of God that just that's a compliment/donate all right help so nobody waiting right now. What you may call 877-207-2276 so I was talking to a Roman Catholic today and I like setting up the Roman Catholics and I said okay right in the middle of the conversation I said something ask, just ask your question. Could you tell me how great the Catholic Church was how it's the true church with the Scriptures.
None of them that he brought up Reggie teaching what he wanted to say well you know it's implied.
Well, maybe to light. It is not implied.
And so what I said because you question things that sure said okay so regarding the church and Ojeda started with church and Jesus is the one who you don't.lead florescent and purchased us and things like that with me so far. He says oh yeah so would you agree with me that so would you agree that Jesus is the one we need to look to regarding the church its origin mission everything that the best way to look at to Jesus because of course and so I said okay let me read you this. This is from the official Catholic writing. After speaking of the church, her origin, mission and destiny. We can find no better way to conclude that by looking to marry well Mattel you the put this politely in the violations of logic and exegetical principles that were invoked in order to justify this statement as being true.
Well it's also the case that you only look to marry.
And he said it doesn't mean that we don't look to Jesus and I said well I got that. But the text says no better way no better way to conclude by looking to marry and you know I could just ignore the phrase as it will no better way. That means there's no better way than Larry. Right now my love. So I said if you disagree with it and then what he said was we don't were not obligated to believe it. Is it okay you obligate a believable what you think about what it says it's official. And so you hold the feet of the fire is hard to do people squirm first.net nozzle of fire going to make to your fee for second and we do with permission of the fire pulled back in a folder for the fire. What people don't like it.
This guy did not like it either, and it's really kind of interesting. So he did all kinds of stuff in and want the thing I like to do with Catholics and talk to people because it works the same. Love the sissy. The feedback I get from different individuals who say varying things to justify their position on site I say so to see what Trina thought I said to so can Mary hear our prayers home course, you can can Mary hear Millie's a prayer simultaneously while you can. Mary hear Millie's assist prayer simultaneously spoken and thought in different languages all over the world.
And this all yeah you can really so you have any Scripture for that. Mary can suddenly hear millions of people's prayers at the same time and in different languages comprehend the ball and know their thoughts because it spoken in the heart all the same type model of the planet. Could you do that you will burst Scripture. The common verse they go to his revolution 58. When you take in the book, the four living creatures of the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incidents, which are the prayers of the saints that the verse see symbolic book of Revelation is four living creatures and 24 elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints, and that means that Mary can hear all the prayers of the world. Spoken in five different languages and I bring this ask can you explain to me how that verse.
Mary can heal our first discussion will the saints could do it to what the saints could hear all the prayers because her in heaven, and there all the prayers of the saints, and if there all they are the prayers of the saints that are hearing them say they're hearing them but does say they sang a new song, saying were to take a look at the seals. So this is the kind of thing that they will do and why they do that I it's because they revere the church more than Scriptures more than Jesus himself. Now I know there's a lot of people right now are to say that I do not know what I'm talking about what whole. Maybe I don't.
Maybe you have an opportunity here to call me up and segment you talk about is okay, what, why, and let's see we see what how I see it is that when the Scriptures tell us something the Catholics and Eastern Orthodox will submit the Scripture to the church is one guy was talking to you know that your interpretation of the Scriptures are correctly present your problem will you say, but you're the one who says the. The unit that your church has all the authority where you get that from Scripture.
So the church has the authority right where you get your authority to say that the church has authority is if you don't have the authority you can't say the church has the authority if you say the church says it has authority within it is relying whatever it says and not Scripture. So you go to Scripture, then your trip in the Scripture to say that the church is authority so who's got the authority here.
Well that kind of reasoning is not permitted because the wheels came off his cart time is try to make sense of things and it just you just let him talk because I want people to room to hear dear the incense nonsense: most of the things in defense of their position. This is what happens when you when you put the church as the final authority over the word of God.
But let's get to Erin from Washington hey Aaron, welcome you were on the air. A few general question though, I really unitary and I wanted to understand.
I guess your understanding of how they understand how that not biblical. Look at on the order you basically think of all of the Trinity and body weren't sure Unitarianism says is one person in the Godhead and other variations within Unitarianism and one of the sub variations in a loose sense is oneness Pentecostal as he also teaches only one person in the Godhead, but they will affirm that Jesus is God in flesh doing consistently with Unitarians denying that Jesus is God in flesh. Jesus is a Created Thing Unitarianism St., Unitarianism holds the idea that God is a single person who's existed forever that he created the universe created Jesus and that salvation is found out varying ways you either through faith in Christ, which doesn't make sense that perspective or see your works or certain knowledge. Whatever is her ceremonies so that's what Unitarianism is is variations of it and its non-scriptural and ultimately it has problems with the issue of God's personhood as well as what I call the static mine problem so I got more those of you want, but if it helps, right there. All right, let's talk about that not all do this within a break in a minute or two so will continue after two but a person your person and I'm person now in this context of what person meet with you and I it means different individuals different beings different entities with the workplace and in relationship to God as a Trinity does not mean that it was used by theologians to designate attributes of personhood so personhood the characteristics of being a person access characteristics are such things as being able to think or to speak or be aware of someone else beware of yourself being able to reason to love to hate to have fellowship to have reciprocity. I talked to you talk to me exchange. This is what personhood is and God of course in the very least the sense he is person.
We can say that he's one person. It is a 300 and this of the break.
I'll give you both. One person, three for their different senses will make sense of the hold on earth they focus for the line to call 87720276 bit write back please Matt slick.
Why call 770776 [1 let's see Jordi McCall. We have three open lines 772072276 Aaron are still there. Okay so associate before the break. God is spoken of as one person, but also in more than one at the same time. So for example in Exodus 623 God spoke further, the Moses said to him I am Yahweh, and I appeared to Abram, Isaac, and Jacob is God Almighty, so he says there I am Yahweh.
So God is speaking in the singular.
We also have were in Genesis 126 let us make man in our image, and then in Genesis 11 seven. Let us go down to confound their language.some people say will that's the Royal week nonsense not because it wasn't in use. The Bible and the Hebrews into the in Genesis 1924 God says Sodom and come up. Yahweh rained fire and brimstone side of the Gomorrah from Yahweh out of heaven. We see this this plurality going on as I just quoted Genesis 1924 where it says Yahweh rained fire and brimstone from Yahweh out of heaven. Let's just get a strange ski mask the strange wording would check this out who God says in Amos 410 dynasties coming up from the go silencer for a bit hopefully sneeze. He says oh I sent a plague among you, after the manner of Egypt. I salute your young men by the sword along the Horses and I made the stench of your camp rise of your nostrils that you have not returned to me, declares Yahweh I overthrew you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. What he's talking and he says I do this I God did it, there's this plurality thing going on in the Old Testament we get this issue.
Issue personhood is talk about personhood so personhood has he, like you said before the break characteristics. For example, thinking, speaking, having a will can love and hate says you and yours and me and mine and this is what the word person means in the theological sense as a relates to the Trinity and so here are some questions. Let's assume unitary position. There's two major problems that I see so let's say God is Unitarian.
He has one mind is one person now. From forever ago. That's how it existed before the created world so is God's love for John Faure and it the nature of law. Love is sacrificial love has no man that this belief like toppers friend John 1513 God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son, John 316 so the question then becomes for forever before the incarnation before creation of a universalistic unitary God is capable of loving is a sense in which guess he's capable but is not manifested because he met have it within them to build a do it but he can't do it because it is not nothing to love no one to love just himself for forever, so we would say in that condition. The one person of God has no one to love and the full expression of love cannot be realized from an eternity past. In fact, the full expression of love must now be dependent upon the existence of something else other than God – problematic because it hints at the idea that God is not completely and totally self-sufficient is nature loving of God's love and yet he can't manifest the fullness of love without that that accreted order it just up for it a problem. All right, well, without reciprocity not possible fellowship not possible no theoretically, God such a God would know that others could exist and could then in an abstract sense, focus on what is other than himself in the potentiality, though they don't yet exist so he could have that sense there but it would be no reciprocity from forever ago. No full expression of personhood.
This is the second full there's another problem I call the static mine problem and so this take the Unitarian God who has existed for forever. As you know all things, yes.
Can he contemplate the simple question to contemplate means to think about something I go to bed I go to sleep I train myself to try go to sleep I contemplating various things and so I'll think about something I go over Avenue. I have an apartment in the Bahamas. In my mind and furnishing it, and I'm looking out the window to the ocean. It just it's dumb something about I like the ocean and so not go through this adjustable procedure and I go through that hell sleep train myself to sleep okay I would ever be my fifth exit, we see that an abstract idea. No actuality there that I can contemplate about it because while I don't know everything that I already know, but in this static mine problem God already knows everything.
He already knows. So how could he contemplate you couldn't consider what he already knows consumer eternity was already known that, so it does make a sense. The implication is that he's kinda stuck is known to fellowship with.
There's nothing to know what to talk to. There's solitude in I guess darkness can only rezone the essence of lightning. I can see light.
I don't know, but there's no one to talk to for forever.
No fellowship. Nothing he already knows everything, even what he would contemplate so you really can't contemplate anything you just got a stock problem. I'll go on with this matters more, but what would you collect if you were to put someone in a cell with no light, no heat, no warmth, no coupled no one to talk to the rest of his life is torture, etc. stick it kind of applies Unitarian concept not hear something else since the Unitarian concept is problematic will then let's introduce another person in the future and concept personhood. Let's do it for 22 persons. Now let's say that there's a fatherless on the just assume that is a position in Unitarianism, but it would be Unitarianism anymore. Now it's called a by materialism will now these problems are solved. Most of now we have communication reciprocity. Now, the other can be loved.
There can be an awareness of you and yours and me and mine problem. The problem is mentioning are gone except there's another problem that now comes because you see love itself is an abstract idea. I love my wife.
I can't take it out of my heart put into a jar, wrap it up and give a tour for presidency. Here is can't do that is an abstract entity. It's an exit, a feeling and in the sense of that. It is impersonal, it can't walk around this my love cannot walk around speak and say what you doing, it can't do that is impersonal but it emanates out of a person solicit assume the father and son love each other. This would mean then that an impersonal aspect of God's creation is not fundamental to his nature, and that the problem is, it would mean the abstract idea of an impersonal concept called love is what completes God in the budgetary sense and that has a problem break we get back continues a little more helpful to write that mass like why call 77077. Here is Matt's leg. Robert welcome back to the show with Québec on Aaron. Are you still there right now is as interesting so far.
All right, so Melanie continually bent all right, so now the problem with Unitarianism or by materialism would be a fundamental aspect of God eternal existence would be something that's impersonal by nature that's problematic because now we have a fundamental aspect or necessity of God's existence in the communion being itself impersonal and it's that's tough. Now let's talk with Unitarianism so trinitarianism that fundamental aspect would not be impersonal. The thing exchanged would be actually true love mediated by each of the other members of the Godhead for the father would mediate them the love between the thought the son and the Holy Spirit. The sun between the father and the Holy Spirit. Holy Scripture the father and son in that way there's no impersonal anything in the nature of God, and it would be the minimal complete and necessary out, let's say situation construction by which we could then manifest the completeness of fellowship without any impersonal aspect being extent in that Trinity okay you sense the growth. Furthermore, with the Trinity. We have a solution to a problem if you take a piece of paper and take a pen and just make dots all over the same in 20 dots of this white piece of paper.
This is a bit more complicated, to see if I can make this make sense. The dots each are what we call a.there's a concept called.Miss we recognize each one of those as being a.and we recognize that the one principal.this is unifying them. We recognize each one of those as the manifestation of the same thing sheet. If we take one of those dots and erase it.this is not destroyed just like your take this piece of paper write little circles. You know, draw a perfect circle and Cedric Will those are manifestations of the idea of of the circle erase one of them doesn't mean circle.
This is destroyed okay so we have this concept called circle nests and we have circles the circle nests is actually it will be called a universal because I can draw them and you can draw them in different places at different times. There universal and are not dependent upon a particular time and space replace or who created them, who drew them and if we were to take a piece of paper full circles of burnt all circle.
This is not disappeared.
So the universals of circle.
In this case is not dependent upon any particular manifestation will wait a minute. If this not depend upon a circuit certain particular manifestation. How do we know those things are circles whether some interesting theories about stuff like that. What were saying that he recognize equality universal and particular manifestations of the question becomes what unites them. What is the ultimate. Is it the concept of a circle and then if that's the case, then how is it particulars are manifestations of it. If I'm creating your creating what unites us. What's the underlying principle is it simply is drawing it or is there something else going on behind the scenes and were manifesting a universal that you and I both recognize but how is that possible when individuals are the ones doing, it's a problem so we asked the question what is universal what is the ultimate. Is it is it the particulars or the universals that the ultimate means what's the standard by which the truth of the of everything is judged is at the universals, then how do we connect particular to them where's the connection draw a line between universal and the particular what's that line that connects can't do it and so this is the call. The problem of the one in the many one in the many and it's all over the Trinity, God is one and many one God three persons, and he then provides a necessary precondition for all intelligibility in that the universal truth of state, the laws of logic can be instantiated, recognize and justified in the single being who is a universal God, who, in particular, manifestations of personhood which is one of the many he is the one who offers the fingerprints upon creation by which then we can use logic and use of record as universals, like redness and goodness in all kind of messes and we can connect them back to him being the ultimate because of both equally ultimate in God's essence, the trendy provides the slight bouquet layout of credit. That's certainly different to different talk but on trinitarianism and having told you how it's arrived at in Scripture that's not a top okay there you go. Hope that helps you preserve the remnants of Dona Doc Unitarianism Italy to further heresy. Okay buddy okay I'll recollect model talks more all right.
Let's get to Elijah from Pennsylvania like to welcome you to check young good unit help yesterday dear Margaret Knapp only member of the people I care about so you know it's hard though.
I am sorry I just basically people insist it's it's a blur of here though, all my question is the Met between 19 oh, the health food to that I may look, father, son and Holy Spirit, but all throughout the book of acts clearly in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and the and and and also this is another Scripture that wanted and I also like to bring out the three that you claim all the baptism we should do colossal 3} with and whatever you do word or… What one of the new D everything in the name of the Lord. Thank God the father and and no you back there prefix to say that we should also do baptism of the question would be fudging this really meant for Beth. I father-son Holy Spirit are never think it so the phrase in the name of is used 68 times in the Bible and for example, Deuteronomy 1820, or which he speaks in the name of other gods.
When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord do for me. 1822 first Kings 2016 to be nothing but the truth in the name of the Lord in the name of God of Israel, says a prophesy to the Jews who were in Judah and Jerusalem, in the name of God of Israel. So in the name of has different meanings slightly different meanings in different contexts. Generally, it means by the authority of Psalm 20 verse five we will sing for joy over your victory and in the name of our God. We will set up our banners.
May the Lord fulfill all petitions we will boast in the name of the Lord.
So an action performed in the name of people sitting in victory and in the name the Lord will set up our banners in the name of the Lord, by the authority of to proclaim, etc. when you go to ask for seven they placed them in the center of the Jews, they began to inquire by what power or in what name have you done this in Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, rulers and elders of his feet. The people if we are on trial today for a benefit done to a sick man as to how this man's may well let it be known to all of you people a visual that by the name of Jesus Christ and answering, whom you crucified, whom God raised the dead by this and name this man stands before you sleep healed in the name of Jesus, which means they said by the authority of that's what it means and what name or and what authority, what power you doing this is an essay that is, do not mess with the public gives you that that the name of Jesus in his name that was going on 20 baptizing them in Jesus you doing it by his authority and to do that in his name's sake.
I now baptized in the father-son Holy Spirit because in the name of in the name of the father-son Holy Spirit is also phrase of how it's used by the authority, in particular in Christ to granted authority to the Christians to be able to for performed baptism then you do it in his name in his stead and his authority and that's why you see it reflected that way by the phrase in the baptizing in Jesus that all is going on okay hold that a break for folks to utilize what you may call 87720776 we read back mass Y call 770776 charismatic slave Elijah.
I hope that helped all of art, though I name of right they were all part authority of not only audit, and Holy Spirit know that in the name of Jesus and by the authority of Jesus is not me. In the name of Jesus means by the authority of Jesus.
And that's how it's used. Sounds if that's was going on and they just misapply it. Misuse it did understand what is going on and it's unfortunate that that's the case right okay on anything else. All I really that what you're again Mark. Mark Mark Bulger on the doctor was your sale in Texas. You all and you guys what the book of Revelation that are brought up a millennial little playing with it. It all.
One of current horn of your net rate talk about what the Catholic Church believes about in a restaurant.
I found out similar to what they believe, like like the old to the vision of what the Catholic Church believes about the record not well.
Trent Herring is a Catholic don't trust anything Catholics Catholicism teaches it's a false religion. So that's one point that's worth looking at and examine, but I nevertheless am so millennialism is the position that the millennial reign of Christ is not a literal 1000 but that's a figurative number and that he is in control and raining now and so the premillennial view is that is that there will be a future literal 1000 year reign. This difference your Argo part of the art of the only you on all know that particular no effective know there's all millennialism premillennialism post millennialism post millennialism would be the position that the God the kingdom of God will come in to existence after world is converted and so post millennialism is like a form of all millennialism except generally speaking millennialism is a pessimistic kind of things can get better get worse and the records and it happened post millennialism says is good to get better and better and a reference can happen better genitals or pre-simplified but that space was going right makes sense. Art more or less okay yeah after you go right but I can handle and I cannot go more quick question.
Sure all are all perfect.
Churches are reformed. How supposed to be. Yes, that's what it means.
Rick Presbyterian deals with the it's from the reformed camp and Presbyterianism does mean the issue there of phone of the five points in the Presbyterianism also affirms the deeper covenantal aspect, including infants and vendors of reformed Baptists and they hold the same stuff except they don't believe in the issue of baptism of infants, not for salvation periodically.
Don't return stuff, but as a covenant sign so but so that some people I've come a supplemental bit reformed Baptist don't believe in the baptism in the covenant not respect our Presbyterians do. That's the basic idea of right.
Okay God bless, but all right okay let's get to see Alex Rolando Orlando Holly Ellis welcome one year. A brother I always want to make that baking soda vitamin D joke. I know you I know you know, I know because I yet another recipe for you and we'll see how that one goes later.
I'm not actually okay sounds okay place would have much of the discussion last night which yeah man out great. Yeah, I would, you know, ask the question I thought of the apartment. I actually emailed it to Dr. White, not what question wasn't why didn't emailed in the debate are that discussion and I just told him hey pay attention to my super chat and looking of the responses because that guy Michael John about presupposition apologetics Dr. light commenting about it so I don't know I might Mike, okay, yeah, now I would.
It was great. I like 20, those guys and you can hearing the different views and not yeah as I get more in the so-called yeah a lot of things were talking about it first. One quick question what first go to book you would pay the learn about the object that I have you with the first go to 17 okay what is Paul the apostle do their in acts 17 he talks about the pagan gods says this right here is the true God. She's the one who did this and this and that net he just presupposes the truth of the Christian Trinitarian position and work from Freda.
And what about just like modern author your leg try to pull apologetics for the glory of God. That's goodbye John frame, but I also know and to Greg Johnson stuff and just find out some stuff on presupposition listen from him.
He's got some very stuff and I listen to his lectures, the guys brilliant to Betty past away, but that's what I would do go there to okay yeah I have always ready by font practical yet discussed. He's he's quite good. Yeah so you really quickly. I know we don't have a lot of time so I was talking a Muslim guy at a short time with and we are having a discussion back and forth you actually kind of taken back when he was like what we have the same guided Judaism and Christianity. Now that mimic the note or not. Our gods are very different mind is the God of the Bible and our characteristics are different are attributes are different than Allah and you taking back and then the discussion started you know we started going back and forth so I only had a short time with them, but the last thing I mentioned was about outside my work and he was saying, what doesn't. You know that in the Scriptures say like we are, you on the ice that that you went there, and any and then his wife chimed in about that as well about what about work. That was the last Part of the discussion and how how would you go from there. Like when they start. I think the verse about work and then they start talking about it. I know they're coming at it from like a different viewpoint, but where would you think that what they're doing is assuming that the mention of works means this is what you do to get saved.
The reading into the text. Jesus is if you love me will keep my commandments.
And it's true, but where does this verse say that keeping this commandments is what saved you to set so you ask, what was the main are you saying it means after saying this is a this is you love and commitment is true. If you love them, you could do what he says that's all I thought was going on so you do believe in you, you loving them yell what you go that you do. If you're a real Christian man is how you become a Christian, or get saved okay in there now where you're think they're talking about with the Koran) reserved overly here.
Yeah yeah I you know I understand I'm not too familiar with mine and all that stuff what what information you have about will is just information still collecting but with mine was the guy who collected all the segments of the Koran that were by. Memory from people for who they had written on parchment or pottery or stones or veriest, and he collected all of the stuff that he compiled the Quran and said this is what the original Quran is that he had all the other stuff destroyed.
So the question is why would you have all the other sightings and recitations the stuff destroyed if it was all identical pieces not this is trial.
Now why would he do that all because identical know it isn't because if it was all the same. You just rest assured that what he would do a done absolutely he would have said, see, everything is identical. Here's the fact. But that's not what happened.
So okay and they would evaluate Gary you Scriptures being deserved over time. I think non-count manuscripts right yeah and in the truck to different topic, but in this that sense but it doesn't work and so we go to certain 94 which says if to Mohammed. If you lack of understanding about certain things and go to the people of the book before you let Ms. people of of the Bible read the New Testament will that's the case in the Bible is corrupted.
Is it like to say and why would God tell Mohammed to go to those who read the of the book, the people of the book described okay okay look good and then I'll start to get a little how you deal with that one link used as entertainment for so long to say please come down to talk just as Like right okay I appreciate right I got less money I will talk you later. All right it was Alex from Orlando Florida listed to Jamie Northfield about one minute. We got but I wrote a quick question about the effect that one for client chapter 523 were Paul, the very thing and praying that jerk that we might be whole of your soul and body and God just give me! What a different sort of definition know what difference between the flow. What if all named Bob making your spirit in your file with your body line with the coming of our Lord what I'll get met with you talking about a difference between what we call dichotomy and try economy dichotomy says the soul and the spirit. One of the same things that are used interchangeably. Try economy says no there different and have different ways of looking at it and then the question of the kind of going squirrels at a time. The question becomes which one is the right one. There used interchangeably, but then there also was designated differently. Maybe it's because he's using it politically in the three minutes run time tomorrow to talk about us more. Okay runtime but I like oblast Bay folks, we are out here with the Lord bless you by his grace back on your tomorrow and hopefully will documents have a good one of everybody got less. Another program powered by the Truth Network