Good afternoon, everybody. I am Bart Winkler. Welcome into the Winklerverse.
Grant Bills, Paul Imig. I was driving home with my kid recently and I told him I had to go to work and I said, do you know what I do? And he said, he said, you say good morning, everybody. Oh, that's really cute.
What a nice, cute thing. And that is real. That's not a joke. It's April Fools today, but I don't participate in that.
I feel like society has backed off for the most part. You still have like your, is it Milwaukee record that goes crazy? Facebook is still like, I just saw Rogers sign with the Titans. He didn't, but that is what I saw. Tiger Woods says he's playing in the masters. Yeah.
Tiger Woods. What did he say? He was like, well, I was so surprised. And then he's, and then it's up for 45 seconds as he's sitting there giggling. And then he's like, well, what's the point? What's the point?
What is the point? What is the point of April Fools is to take the people that you cherish and love the most and punish them for believing and having faith in you. That's the point of April Fools. My kids learned about April Fools this year and their go-to this morning was, watch out, there's a ghost behind you, April Fools.
Watch out, there's a werewolf behind you, April. I was hoping it was an April Fools when we got an email from the gym teacher yesterday. My kid was acting up in gym class. So we got an email from the gym teacher. I thought gym class was created for said, like. And so, cause my initial thought when I got this email was that this guy's the worst human on planet earth. Like what a cuck. You're, you're, you're emailing me that five-year-olds are out of control.
In gym. Yeah. And then I thought, oh geez.
I mean, it must've been really bad if this guy had to go and search the parent directory as soon as the fucking final bell rang to fire off some emails. Are you the parent of record at school? I believe we got it out of the, I think we got the co I think it's a, I think it's a she gets, I get. I don't think, I don't think, yes. I don't think, I do believe I am the legal head of household. Well, naturally, I'm not, I'm not quite sure how that works. Um, I shouldn't be, but as the, as the non breadwinner, you should absolutely be the head of household. I'm not the breadwinner. I'm younger. I'm just less contributable to society on the whole. Yeah. Same. But you do, you do lead your household in number of references to the world cup being canceled. I'm worried about that.
You mentioned household in cultural impact. I don't know. My line when I was at the brewer game as I was talking to people, they go, hi, how you been? How's the show Bart?
How's the shot? I'm talking to other media brethren. They go, how's the show? I go, I've never had more reach. I've never been more irrelevant.
I don't quite understand, but that's where we're at. So it's my baseball bonanza. I got a baseball game Monday. I'm going Wednesday. I'm going to the Cubs game Friday and then still working that night for some reason. Yeah, that's crazy.
I don't know. I could use a day like that. I used to have those long days. I feel like I need to, I need to stay young. I need them to stay young. You need like long days to stay young. Yeah.
No. Do you think that can have like the opposite effect? Well, they say the days go slowly, but the years go fast. That's quite true.
It's a torturous comment. Yeah. Paul, when you're with your kids, do you ever like take a minute and just like clearly just enjoy your life or are you thinking the whole time you're going to be 15 one day and I'm going to miss this. You're going to be an adult one day and I'm going to miss this. It's all I think about. I do it all the time and it's the main, well, one of the two main reasons I take the prescriptions I take because it's like you, you can dwell on it. You can really get fucked up. Like you can, I know it's like, Hey buddy, Hey daddy's running down.
I've been picking them up more just because I'm like, I got to get these in. I got to get these reps and we do the daddy express now going up to bed. I don't need to carry him. He's a grown man. Can we change the topic? Yes. Change the topic to whatever you would like.
Paul. There's something that's like, you know, yeah. Not torture. Not the brewers. No, that's fine. I mean comparatively like that's fine.
That's fine. We're going to have a very affordable tickets this year. Yes we are. So speaking of, uh, the family reasons behind every decision, um, I guess we probably have to start brewers. Uh, Bart, I'm gonna, you probably, well, maybe you weren't, you said something in a text to us yesterday along the lines of buckle in for a 60 wind season. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna assume you maybe put 65, some level of hyperbole, but like here right now. So this is, here's my question at Owen for you got to take 70 wins over under grant makes a face.
I'm doing this number to see how honest Bart was being in his 60, which he's now adjusted to 65. I tell you what, given Grant's reaction, the brewers are going to finish, got to pick it overreaction after four games. Oh, right. Uh, but they're not just Owen four. Like they're Owen four with the differentials that are unforeseen in previous MLB history in just about every category. Uh, the brewers are going to have a sub 500 season. Got to call it right now. A million bucks. If you're right.
Nothing. If you get it wrong, the brewers will have a sub 500 season or I mean, there's been easier ways to get a million dollar check in Wisconsin over the last couple of weeks, but I think that's the easiest. Did you have that lined up?
No, I'm I would. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't believe they're going to go 500. Can I, can I tell you what is their own for going into Tuesday night's game against the Royals? What, what I, what I thought about, I don't, I don't know that I had a thought about the brewers. I don't know that anybody had a real thought about this Brewers team, like what to expect because the line I kept hearing was Dakota's got them for 78, but they always got them for 78 wins and they always overperformed.
So they'll do it again. And I'm not just talking like fans, I'm talking like baseball analysts, people from other teams. And I think this is one of the reasons why I think, uh, the chiefs are going to be bad next year. And why I thought the 49ers would be bad is sometimes like you buck expectations for so long that you fool people, but it will catch up with you. And I think the chiefs like they're over under is 11 and a half wins.
The chiefs for next year. I feel like that's high. Are you going to, I mean, are you going to do one of your like pistons are going to make the playoffs takes? Are you going to put your money where you're Carlos? Carlos said they're not, uh, Oh, is that the one time when I heard you maybe we could go and get Gelb called in and tried to like all over. Okay.
I heard that. I got a new pistons make the playoffs take over three and a half quarterbacks drafted in round one. Ooh, I would go under who's the four who's after, who's after dart. Someone trades up to get a guy on a fifth year option for who though?
I don't know. Shock out of Louisville or Millrow and the first round. That would be three to the Steelers.
Sure. I mean, I think dark can go in the first round, but I just don't know if there's, I mean, I guess people are desperate, right? Rogers is totally signing this summer with Pittsburgh. I don't know why more people aren't having a parade for me. You don't have the DK Metcalf throwing sessions for fun, right?
But he's not going to sign until later. Probably. Or was that, did you see that today? Cause was that real? I think, I don't know.
I saw a picture of him and DK Metcalf today. Was that real? I saw a video with all the sitcoms dads, by the way, that you sent earlier today was that shit.
AI. I don't think it was. I think it was.
I examined it closely. I don't remember Bob Saget, Tim Allen and John Goodman and Al from diehard all being in a picture together, but that's a side note. You just called him Al from diehard. I don't know his full name.
Isn't that? That was his name. Isn't that Reginald Johnson. There's a theory that he is the same character and everything he plays. That's Kevin Costner.
Uh, I would like to show the picture if I may. Yeah. It's Reginald Johnson on the video stream.
Yeah. It's Let's go uncle Phil. I guess uncle Phil's mouth looks a little AI.
They all look AI. All of the mouth. Look at Tim Allen's mouth.
Yeah. Tim Allen would not be left bottom. He would want to be center. Bart. I saw something the other day that said Al Bundy was 39 when married with children started. We're talking about Ed O'Neill. Yeah.
Al Bundy. Right? Yes.
Children. Yeah. Does that, is that he had like grown up kids?
He had grown up kids and he looked like this. Yeah, maybe this is AI. Who's this other guy though? I don't know who that is.
Maybe it's just like a random dad that is like, we're just going to throw a random dad in here. I didn't, I didn't watch step by step too much. Was that, that wasn't like step by step. Was it? No, no, no. That was a Patrick Duffy. Patrick Duffy. Yeah.
God, step by step. I used to just watch TGIF with my hands in my pants and Karen. And do you listen to it? Do you listen to their nineties podcast?
They have one too. Well, like a Topanga and her co-stars. Oh yeah, no, I don't listen to that, but they just had Adam Scott on it. Cause he did a four episode swing on boy meets world when he was first acting. He's everywhere right now. He's basking that throwback episode where he had the shadow and the power.
Oh, the pen in his mouth, the calf into the corner of his mouth. Oh yeah. What a hunk.
What a hunk. All right. Brewers.
I think they'll go above 500. You do. I do.
Bart called it the easiest million dollar thing. He's you I'm feeding off of you. Well, you're at the ballpark taking video of people leaving. I'm allowed to sit there and go, this team effing sucks, which I said, so I said it in the first inning and I said it throughout the game, but I also think they're a lot better than they've shown.
And I still think they'll win more games. Would you agree with me? You were at the game.
Yes. And I was at the game. Did it feel different in there? Was there a weird vibe? Something was off and it could be like the Euchre tribute that they, I mean that was sad.
You know, you know, the part that got me was Ken Sommerfeldt having his voice in the end. It was sad. I brought this up. I said this to the group chat on when did I send this to our group chat on Saturday?
The Joe Buck tweet about how that team feels a deep loss. I said I would pound this on Monday if I was on the air because I wasn't on the air Monday. I was at the game. So I did like a prerecorded show. Kurt kind of poo pooed it because I did 20 minutes with him as a part of Monday's show. But I don't know.
Maybe the Euchre death is a thing. I think the vibe in the ballpark was more that fans came in skeptical. And then the first inning gave them all of the evidence they needed to see that this was not going to be a game and everyone checked out. It's kind of a nice place to now my coworker Evo said he fell asleep for an inning because nice hum in there and the sun was coming through so it was kind of warm.
It's a great sleep at a Brewers game. Wow. What a jerk they must be.
It doesn't happen. They must have. They must have been. They must have been hammered. No. I mean, just for the first half that doesn't happen.
Second off, if it did happen, it would never start an on air fight on a local radio program. And second, if I did, or he did fall asleep, it would have been for no more than like 45 seconds of a snooze. You know what the untold part of that night, though, that you've you've retold the fun, like the most notable part, which was all and I went to the Brewers Rockies game and I got drunk. But the more notable part was how you hugged everyone around us eight times a piece. And this was when we had season seats there. And so like these people like, like, you didn't know them, but you knew them. And then like the next game I came to, they were all like, Oh, you didn't bring your buddy again, huh?
Well, they missed out. I mean, I was a joy joyful Brewers fan. It's better than what I saw when I went to the game on Monday, where in the first inning, you know, mid fifties year old woman and a mid thirties year old guy were fighting over a foul ball.
Oh, geez, really? A foul ball. Like, first of all, the foul ball, it was not like we're fighting for Aaron judges sixtieth. We're fighting for something you could buy for 12 bucks in the clubhouse from either a brewer that is bad or a royal you've never heard of or fighting in the first inning or fighting. This happened in our patio there was a there must have been a dash for the ball below us because people were yelling over the ring in front of me give it to the kid kind of angrily. Always a bad look as an adult when you you know, stiff arm a kid away from the ball.
Actually Bart has a take on this. Was that Rami? Do you remember this?
I think I'm pro give it to a kid. Was it Rami that said how humans are. There was something back in the day that I remember you guys bickering about. I think Rami might have been. Keep it.
I think he might have Rami. Well, no. So with the foul ball, I feel like when it's in the air and it's up for grabs. You go for it, dude. You go for it. It's Yeah, wow.
This is fun. This is I didn't think a ball you go for it. The split second that you don't have it, you're right.
You're done. You don't you don't get the you don't get to have it and then grab it with the guy. You don't get a bleep behind another row of seats for it.
If it's like a section where nobody's sitting in, there's a little standoff between you and a guy on the other side. Both of you should just be like, they'll clean it up. I mean, we shouldn't we shouldn't be keep fighting for the foul ball. No, I'm pro give it to a kid. I also but I don't like that. It's just like, like, what if I catch it? And there's a kid next to me.
Do you still have to part with it? And I'm like, I have a kid. I want to take it home from my kid. Nuance. But I have to give it to this little rat. His parents afforded seats I couldn't. I don't think so. Tim. I think it's a good point.
Thank you. The best part of the brewery game yesterday I made the most amazing joke and it's a stolen joke but I went to the bar in our little section and left field and I got a glass of beer for myself and then a glass of beer for the people I was sitting next to they wanted one. And as I'm carrying both of these cups back, I ran into a group of co workers and listeners they go Oh Grant, you're double fisting already. And I go Yeah, I actually need glasses to watch this team specifically two glasses of beer and I had them both in my hand kill Wow, killed the rest of the game absolutely sucked. I couldn't tell you one thing that happened yesterday other than Ricky weeks getting thrown out. That's the only thing I remember is the most is the least memorable baseball game I've ever attended in my life.
So to be clear, now that you've both gone an opposite side of this question. Grant is pretty confidently going over 500 sounds seems like pretty high confidence ratio. I still despise this team. So far, I think yeah, did you tweet something like most is already the most is likable brewers team and Oh, yeah, easily. Yes.
I think memory at least it's four games, whatever. Is the Willie Adamas clubhouse departure? Is this going to be a thing? Is this going to be like a part of the 2025 season chapter book that the 2025 championship season chapter book?
If you asked Tim Allen? Yeah. No, but really, like is Willie's presence not being there?
Is this is this a thing? Maybe they just don't they actually don't have any pitchers. Like they started Elvin Rodriguez for their home opener the day after.
I don't even remember who they started to I don't remember who they started someday. So I don't know who survived Oh, did he get hurt? That was our Yeah, now he's on the DL. Jesus Christ. 15 days for a hamstring strain.
Seems like they should have a shorter option for the injured list but whatever. So Grant, what's your what's your confidence? percent on over 500?
Pretty darn. And Bart, what's your confidence on under 500? Well, I mean, I hesitate to say anything because it's four games in. But I mean, right, you get a million bucks if you're right. Nothing if you're wrong. I didn't think they were gonna be 500.
I don't think they're good. Hmm. I don't I don't see I don't see the magic. And I look there. Look, I mean, no passion. No, it's not that you just you can't you can't run around the stadium all the time and be reminded of new girls presence was massive.
Mm hmm. And I think what people are gonna realize, because people, when he passed away, everyone had the same anecdote. Which in a way was like, you know, it's, but in a way, it was like, wow, this is like the last communal thing. We all we like, what's your memory of Bob Euchre? We all have the same memory of Bob Euchre, where we listened to him with somebody alone. I mean, I remember some nights coming back from La Crosse to Fond du Lac. Just the dumpiest like I don't know where the hell I was, but I still got a brewer game on. And Bob was the companion with you.
It's 845. The soft light of summer still kind of there's a glow to the skies. cornfields on a road you'll never be on again. And you don't know how you got there in the first place. Don't appreciate that enough. But but like, so we all know, because when that video is playing, I was walking around the concourse and people are like, holding it in. It was very sad. But what people are gonna find out, I think is just how much he meant to those guys. Yeah, we lost our broadcaster, dude, they lost a teammate. He was a teammate to them. And he stopped going as much on the road and whatever. But that made the interactions at home in the clubhouse more special.
I don't know that like, I don't know how to predict that in terms of a win loss record, but it's definitely going to be something. It explains maybe their lack of juice. They mean they quit. They quit the last three, they completely quit. They quit in the second inning of their home opener. And maybe the Euchre part plays a little bit of a role in that I also just like there are any pitchers. They don't have any pitchers for their probabilities for the next go through the rotation. They have none other than Freddie, who's good.
It's not like he's, but like CC Sabathian 2008, but you're saying all of these very negative things. Me? Yeah, you and then but I'm saying but then you're saying they're going to be over 500. Yeah, I think so. Can they be over 500 when they have, in grants words, no pitching? Well, they have no pitching right now, Paul. And okay, when is the what's his nuts?
Good. When is what's his nuts gonna throw for us? Quintana? Yeah, he should be back very soon. We line up Freddie Woody and Quintana.
Yeah, then we might win a game or two. I was gonna question not knowing for sure. I was gonna question Grant's pronunciation Quintana Quintana Quintana Quintana. You're gonna roll your tongue. I don't know. I don't know. Like like when I say Quintana.
Yeah, you said can I would have said it. Key. I usually say Quintana. Yeah. Yeah. What's his first name? Jose Jose. Jose.
Yeah. Joey. Joey Quintana. Wyoming's finest.
Chelsea rancher. I think they'll go over 500. But that's not I you know what I'm not doing. I'm not sitting here today be like everyone needs to calm down.
Everybody. You gotta stop overreacting like no, you should be panicking and dumping all over this team right now. But also I still think they'll hopefully end up all right. Yeah. And I had someone yesterday say Grant, the Brewers sucking ass this bad this much is good for content. It's good for radio. Yes, in the short term. This is excellent.
Sure. But in a month, this will not be excellent. Like I need short term gain is long term pain. I mean, if we wake up if they're like 10 and 28, it will not be good content. It will not be good content anymore. It'll be great tonight. And the rest of this week. But by the end of the month, it's like I want to actually be able to talk about a baseball team and if their season's done, and they're cooked like, yeah.
If early May, it looks like they are terrible. Your job to get through the summer will be not fun at all. I'll have to turn into bakowski. And that'll suck like just do Packers every day. Or Andy Herman.
I don't mean to pick on heat. I can't do Packers every day. I need baseball talk.
It's the sound of summer in Wisconsin is baseball talk. I think I think I would very unconfidently go over. Very, very low, low confidence.
Grant had high confidence with the overall. I'll take the over but with low confidence. I mean, if I ever wanted a year of cheap tickets right now is the year that I would root for them to be bad. See, there's there's definitely something to that. Because there's already like a lot of games I'm looking at. And I want to be able to say like, Hey, Sunday, let's go to the game.
I get $15 tickets. You know, instead of like, well, I just I'm thinking long term pain again. Long term game.
I'm thinking short term pain for long term gain. Because I'm trying to get my kid to the ballpark. So I'm trying to do. Yep. I'm just trying to buy eggs.
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Can I always do that? Can I read you a Mark Murphy quote that Rob Damoski just tweeted, please? Yeah. He tweeted a picture.
Mark at the owner's meetings said, president pack or Packers president Mark Murphy, who is retiring in July when he reaches the organization's mandatory retirement age of 70 is wrapping up his final owner's meeting. He said it was emotional, but then joked quote. My wife always says I'm like an owner without the money uncaught. That is, that is good. I mean, it's pretty fun. It's pretty funny.
And this picture of him absolutely rules. Oh, it actually must be kind of a strange thing though. You are, you go to this owner's meeting and billionaires, right? Yeah. What do they, what do they do when he shows up?
And they're like, the poor has arrived. That's how Mark probably feels. Hey, Mark, how's your three bedroom, two bath? Yeah, we can do Packers. Sorry to derail. Mark Murphy is poor and should feel bad. All right.
I like this topic. Did you guys see Brian Callahan talk about Malik Willis at the recent comments that happened? No, Malik Willis. No, I cut those comments and emailed them to bill and Mike, but I did not listen to them myself. Well, you cut them without listening to it. Well, I, I said it was unedited in parentheses.
I, okay. There was a part of the, it was loud. There was a part of the Brewer game, uh, yesterday where I and Clemens and Freeman were all by each other and it was like, God, we used to, we used to have some segments. He didn't, he didn't, he didn't know that you were in the good old days until, until, um, but I heard, I heard any Herman talk about this. And then I saw as essentially Brian Callahan was talking about Malik Willis being traded for a seventh round pick or a conditional seventh at the time. Did you see this coming and whatever else?
And of course, Callahan was talking about what a good kitty is. And then after like 40 seconds of fluff, not answer, he said, didn't think it would, didn't see this coming necessarily type of thing where it was like, Oh, like he clearly way overperform what he thought, but Malik Willis is in a contract year. I mean, there's, if he gets another two starts or something this year and plays anything like that, he's going to get at least Justin Fields level paid next off season. Right.
When do you, does that feel about right? Like someone who could go compete for a job with another guy, like Daniel Jones is getting 15 for a year. He can get 15 for a year. So, I mean, obviously that would not be with the Packers. So here's, so I mean, essentially what you're weighing is you're weighing, do you want to have this dependable, good backup quarterback who for all intents and purposes is, has one more year in green Bay period and the story he's here for one more year and he's gone. It was floated, I think by Andy Herman, the idea of realistically, honestly, getting a third, that getting a third from Malik Willis in this type of quarterback draft is reasonable. So you get a, you get a third round pick offer from Malik Willis, you're Brian Gudekins and you get that call, Hey, we'll give you our third from Malik Willis. You would do it or, well, would you get compensation for him if you left as a free agent now? I mean now, but now you're two drafts away as opposed to, but yes, but yeah, so you get into you on instant value with third round pick right now or probably like a fifth in two years.
And then you just call Kurt Bankard back and you say, Hey, Kurt, great work. We need you to stop playing Madden against Dante Stallworth or whoever he's playing against and and get here. Backup quarterbacks are tricky to me because I think you want one.
Um, but I don't think you want to invest a lot in them, but I do think you need to invest a little in them. I'm always pro at, yeah, I'm always pro a team having a backup quarterback, but at what cost? Um, I would probably leave well enough alone and ride out Malik Willis just because you've seen him come in. I think, I think a good backup quarterback or what you can expect from one needs to cover four games of an injury and go two and two.
That's what I think. I like that rule that you have and he clearly can do that for you. He can do that. And also Matt, the floor calls a better game when he's the quarterback. So that seems to help. Everyone also plays much better around him.
The wider servers and such. Yeah. So I, um, so pick 70 in the draft this year from a leak and you say, no, that's basically a second round pick. So would I not take a second round pick from a leak Willis? Yeah.
That's what I'm wondering. That's why I asked the good questions. God damn it.
Amy, you did it again. I mean, we, we said this time last year, we'd trade a second round pick for Justin Tucker. Look how, look how soiled that take worked out. So we never, we never, we never talked about that. Some did.
I was effusive in saying not only is he a great kicker, you get a high character guy. Yeah, right. Yep. Yep.
Yep. Um, just keep the backup quarterback that can help you win games. Did we have the thing now we can leave well enough alone for a year. We're protected for a year. It's not like you're losing Willie Adamus and free agency at the end of the year for nothing.
You're losing Malik Willis, who's solid and can help you in some games, but it's not like your team's going to crumble if you lose him for nothing without a fifth round or third round pick and return. So my microwave is broken. It's been broken. I don't, I'd have to take it out of the wall. It's just like a whole hassle and I haven't gotten there yet. It's it's broken and that it doesn't work or like the clock, like what doesn't work. It's totally okay. But we still warm things up via other methods, including an air fryer.
An entire year in lacrosse. I did not have a microwave in my apartment. You find ways you adapt. So what if somebody offered me the equivalent of a real life second round pick for my air fryer? Like what if they're like, I'll give you 250 bucks and it'd be great to have the 250 bucks, but then I wanted my air fryer. So I'm getting rid of the thing. And now how much is an air fryer? I don't know. Make it 80 bucks. 80 bucks.
Someone in our house turned down the wrong burner and didn't realize it and melted our old air fryer. Oh, so now we're in the market. We were looking last weekend. Um, I don't know if that helps your point or not, but it's a good analogy and it's one that I, I very much enjoyed. Yeah, I tried. Well, and if Malika, if they trade away Malik Willis, I guess, silver lining then next spring or I guess summer, uh, we could take calls on whether or not the Packers need a true veteran backup quarterback that's back on the table for talk shows. True. Yeah.
Yeah. We can get Brian Hoyer. He's the final answer. I believe I, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not trading him for a third round pick. Don't ask me about a second grant. Uh, I might trade him for a second, but not a third. I was gonna make you answer and say, now how about Bart for a second?
All right, go ahead. I guess, I guess my point is if someone blew my doors off, sure, but I'm not sitting here pulling my hair out over what we should do with Malik Willis. But don't you feel if somebody called you and said, I'll give you a third from Malik Willis. Don't you feel like you have to take that? No, I do not. I kind of think you do. Yeah. I mean, he, they don't make the playoffs last year if they don't have him. Yeah. So correct.
You could argue that he's more valuable to the team than some of these other slobs who's more valuable, Malik Willis or Lucas van Ness. Here we go. Here we go. I was going to say, find the player.
Let's, let's go. Well, I think the answer is unequivocally Malik Willis. Yeah. So then this, this season.
Sure. Malik Willis also started in college, which is something that Lucas van Ness can't say Liberty, Liberty, Liberty. That's where though you'd say, and I, so I said this year more valuable is Malik Willis, but you get one year, one year.
I'm not overly concerned about that. Some people, well, we can't, we can't lose him for nothing. Well, we can't just let him walk for it. Yes.
I, yes. We got him for nothing. We can let him go for nothing. It will not bother me. It's basically like, do you want to pay for insurance?
That's what it is. Well, we don't need insurance. Not now you don't, but then dude, I'm already, I'm worried as shit because I have two payments left on my car. Two payments left on my 2018 Hyundai Santa Fe sold to me by Sith Lord. You've been paying six bucks a month on that thing. What do you five year loan?
Well, here's what I did. Is it an $80,000 Hyundai? Don't answer that. Actually. What were you going to say?
Go ahead. No, I leased it to start. Oh, and then I bought it.
Okay. And the pro the, the buying process was like, they go, all right, here you go. You can buy it out for four 20 a month. And I'm like, I thought I could, I thought it was like two 80 a month.
They go, well, that's without all of our like add-ons and packages. I'm like, I'm not buying that. I don't want that. I just, I want to pay off the car.
Well, you didn't, you have to pay for separate oil changes. Well then I'll get a take five coupon at a brewer game. I mean, Jesus. Oh, Valvoline. They give those things away. You never go to Valvoline without Googling Valvoline coupons for they just $10, $15 coupons.
They literally give them away. So I'm worried because as soon as I pay off that car, something's going to happen. Something's going to happen to that thing.
It always happens. Don't you have car insurance or is that not how leasing works? Well, no, I, I I'm not leasing anymore.
I bought it. I have car insurance through Dan Cheney. I was going to say, as do I, but I'm, you know, something that the car it's not insurance that the car doesn't go to shit. Interesting. It's insurance that if I like run over a child, I have some sort of deductible. I don't know how that works. There are not two humans on the planet who understand insurance less than the two that just and that's why he's the perfect agent. Cause he'll help you with all this. He's the David Mulligetta of car insurance. People, Jerry Jones would shit all over him.
I don't know if you guys saw that today, but that was kind of funny. I'm perfectly pleased with our current insurance provider, which is Malik Willis. And I'm not, if someone calls me and blows me away. Sure. But there's so many packers hands who like Jesus Christ, what are we going to do?
It's like at the moment, nothing, nothing is required at right now. Having said that a third gets it done. I mean, a second gets, I think the Packers would trade it. I think the Packers would do it.
Yeah. I think they would do it. I think they would do it a lot faster than this discussion, by the way.
You think for a third, they would do it faster than that. I think goody would giggle and do it. I think, yeah, I think it'd go.
I think it'd go down faster than the Luca trade. Yeah. Yeah.
But I'm not, I don't know that I would do it. So I, I, I would say, I think I would turn the card in, call the league as quickly as it sounds like you think Gudekunst would. Can I tell you something that's separate from any of this? That's really like having, it's really, I saw David Gruber at the Brewer game and he got recognized and he acted like he was surprised. He got recognized. This was an inning after his face was all over the jumbotron where t-shirts parachuted from the guy. Gruber, you're, you're going out in public.
You can't do that the way you used to. You are everywhere. Did you got to expect some level of like, people are knowing who I am. Do you think it was genuine surprise or just like a humility thing of like, ah, shucks.
I don't think, I think he's got to be past that though. Not if he's not a prick. I mean the guy that recognized him was fucking cooked though.
He was like, why wouldn't call that song? Oh, me? Me?
Says David. And then his buddy's like, I knew I fucking knew that guy dude. Well, yeah, the beautiful wavy hair. So these, these two people were having their, one might say, any Bart moment. Yeah. If any Bart saw Gruber out and about, he'd say, I fucking knew that guy. Any Bart needs to get some showers in this weekend.
That's for sure. Clock in. I need a clock in.
You want to do one more? Sure. So I'm going to play you a clip.
Uh, I want to give you just like quick take. Jokic is a top. What player all time right now? Giannis is a top. What player all time right now? Uh, w w what, what, and I haven't Ryan Rissello.
I mean, Jesus cry. I didn't know we were doing this today. Um, what if they're top?
I'll be very conservative. 18 players of all time. They're both higher than that top 15. They're both aggressive.
I just really, I don't want to be the bucks fan. That's like, Oh, they're way like I'd be somewhere on the list. What are we looking at?
What do you mean? How you just said they're both top 15 where all time are, you're just asking this as a gauge for setting up your, your question, right? Is that how I'm reading their top 15 of all time? And not what do you think someone else thinks?
What do you think? I mean, if Giannis played in the seventies, he'd had two, he'd had 250 points a game. I've heard that take dude, mad dog. I spent a half hour on that on my show last week just because it annoyed me. It's like Giannis is Dr. J, but much taller and much heavier.
Like what the fuck is, and I love mad dog, but like, what are you talking about? Like 15 higher, maybe lower, but like 15 somewhere in there. All right, now answer my premise. How, so w where are they part? Uh, they're top 20. How close are they to each other? I think what the consensus will tell you is is about two to four places higher than Giannis.
Two to four places. Okay. All right. Grant called out one of the names that you'll hear here, but, um, I'm going to play this. And my, my question is, I agree with what I just heard. Mm hmm. Or it is like touching. Oh, sorry.
I should probably go back. Yokech is like touching a totally different historic tier. I think Giannis is when it's all said and done, like, what is this guy going to be? Because the standard for him would be higher because of the way we're talking about him. Again, it feels a little dismissive of Giannis, but we're talking about like, Hey, top 10 of all time in this sport versus Giannis who probably lands in the top 20. You know, I don't know.
I mean, you know the stuff better than I do. No, I can tell you, Giannis is w we're talking about the Hakim Shaq Moses kind of area. Right. And we're like the bird and magic suite, like knocking on the door now.
Like I am the natural legacy to you guys. They would get, it wouldn't be a good segment to do that too. Like we're just ranked. We're just producing shows here right now is who are the most like go the last 20 years, the most important ranks, like how important is Steph's fourth rate. You know, I think I would have Steph's fourth ring over all of them. I think it vaulted them in a completely different area. No kidding.
I still worth is more important than your picture. Giannis is first or only I do because those guys still have a chance to win another one. There you go. You agree with what you heard?
Mm hmm. Or I mean, I'll go I just think Jokic. I think Jokic will be slightly higher than Giannis.
I don't agree that there's a cavern between them. Why is Jokic on the level of magic and bird? He's got one title. I'll tell you why. Because Jokic looks more impressive, doing similar things, because he's fatter. When you see a guy like Jokic, who then also doesn't give a shit and he's just like, throwing the best passes that have ever been thrown in an NBA game.
It's like, it looks different. Like, if I'm playing basketball with a guy, and then I do a slam dunk, and the guy's six, five, you're gonna be like, Holy shit, Bart's really good. This analysis will be bucks tilted. Um, I think Jokic will finish higher because he's got more MVPs. For whatever reason, Jokic won a bunch of MVPs. And then he stopped winning MVPs, because people are like, Well, we're not going to keep giving you MVPs unless you prove it.
We have to give him the Jokic now repeatedly instead. And then he won the title. And people are like, Okay, you proved it, you can continue to get MVP consideration. And for whatever reason, that never happened for Giannis. Like, he won the MVPs, then they're like, All right, now we wait. And then he won the title. And well, you also had somebody cry their way to an MVP between them. Yep.
And I remember who? And this is why the MVP so stupid. The NBA so stupid that MVP is gonna end up being held against him. Because NBA people find a way to do that. Like, Oh, you did this great thing.
Here's actually why it's not great for you, which is silly. Well, because you probably say like, worst MVPs of the past. Right. And being the worst MVP of the past two decades.
Yeah. Um, Jokic and Giannis, I think, when you put all of their skills together are pretty similar. Jokic probably a little higher. Jokic doesn't give you half of the things that Giannis does on defense. Yeah, like, I don't think if you plug Jokic in on that Bucks team in 2021, I don't think I don't know that they win that title. I can just think of so many unbelievable defensive plays in in huge crunch time moments in that run that I know Jokic isn't playing. And maybe he would have made enough offensive plays or wouldn't have mattered.
I don't know. I think their big picture resumes are very comparable. But the details that make up those resumes are different, which I don't think Jokic wins that title with the Bucks. But does Giannis win that title with the Nuggets? It's kind of similar yet Jamal Murray is the Chris Middleton role.
I don't know. Like, yeah, but again, like I have Bucks colored glasses on, obviously. But it's like, it's no disrespect to Moses Malone and Hakeem Olajuwon. But to put Giannis, but to put Giannis over there, and then put Jokic in the in the burden magic camp. That is not a two to four spot difference.
You know, and again, when you're talking about difference, that's a, you know, a six to eight spot difference, like, probably 10, if not more spot difference. And I know they're still saying, like, how dare you call our player a top 20 only best player of all time, like, obviously, it's kind of silly. But when I heard it, I'm not so I was about was with you guys. I was like, okay, Jokic is probably consensus going to be considered. You know, a small handful of spots ahead of Giannis. The gap that they presented was more than I would have expected to national basketball analysts to conclude pretty definitively.
But there's also I think, and I don't know what it is. But there is like, there's something in there's something in the makeup of human beings that wants to put Jokic over Giannis. I'm not saying anything like bigger than whatever you might think I'm saying. I'm just saying people have just acted that way with Jokic where they've given him more of a boost than Giannis. Let me add this about that says I think, if you remember those James Harden comments from what, four or five, six running dunk, man. Yeah, like, I think there's something about this idea that Giannis is less talented just because he's so much more physically gifted. And thus, his basketball skill in the eyes of the James Harden's of the world, which I think are not too small of a minority of people who might think that way because he's just so physically dominant and imposing that it's less quote unquote basketball skill. Yeah, and more just like giant human makes basketball a better way to say Jokic is fat. But it's not it's more the other way Giannis is Giannis is so like I think James Harden thinks that if he had Giannis his body, he would be that if James Harden thinks if he had Giannis his body that James Harden would be the best basketball player ever by a mile. And thus it diminishes the skills that Giannis has acquired with said gifted body or what it took to acquire said physically gifted specimen body that Giannis has like, there's a lot of things that have always throughout Giannis his arc is becoming this top 20 of all time player that have for the perception is is strange, I think well and I think Nick Wright has brought this up before then why can't any of the other you know 611 guys in the league do what Giannis can if it's just well be bigger and stronger on a dunk well then why can't I say Stuart do it or Rudy Gobert it like there's dozens of players and his size and strength is an asset duh but I don't know it's not like he's fucking Boban or Zack Edie and people sometimes treat him that way yeah to be that athletic is at that size is but anyway I just thought that was interesting and it seems like you guys did too because it's a bigger gap and even with our bucks shaded glasses I think that that's again it would be different like by the way how did those you know the reason I could let that keep playing to hear like the Steph comment about how big the four rings were for Steph's overall best player of all time ranking was pretty big was that ring was pretty big for him but I say that because then they go back and they talk about well Yogi has one and Giannis has one so we're talking about this massive gap in the eyes of you know Simmons and Rossello between Giannis and Yogi even though they both have one ring does Giannis not that it's happening this season does Giannis at some point winning a second ring if Jokic doesn't does that even them out is Giannis still trailing Jokic like you know I mean like does he need three I think he almost needs three does it need to be a three to one ratio for Giannis to even but what if he wins a title with this fucking team he's got to elevate I mean if that happened which it won't but if it's worse than the 2007 Cavs was that the LeBron without Dame yeah yeah we're starting Ryan Rollins and Torian Prince John Horst should be in a labor camp you see these graphics they tweet out before the games and I know they built the thing around the Damon Giannis combo so it's you can't judge it when Dame isn't there but good god like when Giannis goes John Horst can go to we've talked about this but like I don't know I don't know I did have to quick look up this roster can you name the 2007 NBA Finals 0-4 loss I'm Mo Williams this is Drunis Agovskis on that actually Mo Williams wasn't there yet that happened later Bart okay James Jones nope he was on the roster he doesn't have a point well he was I think he's on the right I thought he was with LeBron for all of his run who I thought James Jones won a title every time LeBron did then you go to the heat well James oh they lost they lost right no uh was uh like Drew Gooden there or some shit yep Drew Gooden was the third leading scorer of the team yeah Drew Gooden was there like a Darius Miles situation no not at this point no I said Ricky Davis but that was sooner that was who's the guy that is that that we're thinking of Larry Hughes do you remember Larry Hughes and wasn't he the coach of the Bucks when Giannis got here Larry Hughes oh that was Larry Drew Larry Drew so it's the top leading scorer for that Cavs team LeBron Larry Hughes Drew Gooden's the Drunis Algowskis Anderson Vera Zhao Eric Snow as mentioned on last week's pod is this Bucks team better or worse than that team Wally Zerbeak was Wally still there he's not listed here he might have been gone by then that that team's better than this team that also had by the way Sasha Pavlovich Damon Jones Donyell Marshall and Booby Gibson booby god the NBA sucked back then dude that finals was really a bummer that mid-2000s NBA with that shit graphic ESPN with Yao Ming it was like last year's playoffs except every year basically do you think that Yao Ming's gotten forgotten over time he was a fucking big deal when he played Shaq that first time oh my god you felt seismic Richter scale yeah and then he's just forgotten in time he retired at a fairly young age didn't he the Yao Ming Hall of Famer all he did was shoot all right that's all I got this is a pleasure I do have to go thank you both this is very nice um yeah do you think the Brewers will win a game before we talk again mm-hmm I don't think the Dodgers will lose a game before we talk again okay well that's fair that's right if the Brewers don't win a game between now and us talking next would you still take them to be over 500 if the Brewers lose choose more two more in a row I will change my take that's okay so Owen six is unrecoverable Owen follows up here correct programming note we're off next week yeah drop next week well no Grant Grant's gone so you guys can do one but I'll see what happens I'm always down to clown let's do it grant call us from vacation thanks for stopping into the Winkler verse.
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