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I'm Bart Winkler. It is great to be with you here on this Monday, February 3rd. Chiefs Eagles coming up this week with the Super Bowl. Very excited for that. Did enjoy the weekend with the Royal Rumble. I should have gone on live after because then we could have turned that into a Luka to the Lakers podcast. What in the shoot? Again, I don't like to swear. Too early for Dan Cheney's children.
Get him for your insurance, by the way. Just helped me save a bunch more. The Royal Rumble, just a real quick aside. Jey Uso won. A lot of the internet community, wrestling-wise, doesn't like it. They wanted Cena to win, but if Cena won, they'd be pissed. Wrestling is weird because you want surprises.
Fans want surprises, but fans also want to be right. A lot of people thought CM Punk was going to win. They didn't want CM Punk to win because they wanted CM Punk to win. They wanted CM Punk to win because they thought CM Punk would win. Jey Uso took it by surprise. He's my kid's favorite wrestler.
It was Cody. It's turned to Jey. He likes his song. He doesn't do the yeet thing.
I'm like, do you like that? He won't ever do it. It was like the final six, and I kept saying, buddy, Jey is not going to win. He's not going to win.
There's no chance he wins, but he will. I'll be mad. I'll be mad. Whoever beats him, I'll be mad. Then he won, and my kid was celebrating.
It was kind of awesome, but I really was having a hard time. I got to break this to my son. He's got to deal with disappointment. It actually could have been a good teaching lesson to deal with disappointment and frustration and heartache and pain, but then he won.
Now, I guess he thinks that whenever anything he wants to happen will happen, it could just happen. I said, hey, you're a Wisconsin sports fan, son. It ain't going to be like that. Speaking of Wisconsin sports, and I'll get into this trade in a minute. The Dakota standings are out, which has people, I don't know, not up in arms. It's just, okay, this again.
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We'll talk to Paul Immig maybe about that in a second here. With the Bucks losing to, well, now three in a row, Portland, San Antonio, and then Memphis with the Oklahoma City Thunder tonight, Monday the 3rd. Real quick though, the Dakota standings, Milwaukee's 80 and 82, so 80.2 wins to 81.8 losses. I feel like every year the Dakota standings come out. This is a good kind of barometer for what predictions should be. But then again with Dakota, they always seem to give the Brewers anywhere from 74 to 81 wins, and then the Brewers always shoot above that.
I don't know. It's interesting to look at. If you're on YouTube, you can kind of see some of the standings that I'm throwing up on the screen here. The Yankees projected to win with 90 wins in the AL East, the Rangers 90 wins in the AL West, the Twins with 87 wins in the AL Central, the Braves, and then the Mets. So the Mets 89 with Juan Soto, the big addition. Atlanta with 92 wins.
The West, the Dodgers, of course, 104. I don't know what the over-under is for them, but I think they're going to get more than that. I'm putting the Dodgers at more than 104 wins. I mean, they're going to win 120 games.
Even like their Sunday lineup, their scrubs are good. So I think that obviously they'll win a lot. In the Central, you've got the Cubs at 90 wins, 90-91. The Brewers at 80, the Redbirds at 79, the Pirates at 75, the Cincinnati Reds at 74. So there's a couple of things here, and the Brewers to win the World Series half of a percent, to make the playoffs 26%. And I've been talking Brewers with some people over the weekend.
You just go to the park, kind of talk to dads, and the Brewers come up. They're saying, oh, if we could just add a third baseman, if we could just do this, if we could just whatever. And I'm like, guys, let's say we do get Alec Bregman. What are we doing?
What's that going to do for us? And they go, well, you know, I still like to believe. You've got to think if the Brewers keep doing this method they're doing, at some point they'll get there. At some point, the path will be realized.
And I go, yeah, well, it's a fine strategy. It just works for everybody else. It doesn't seem to work for the Brewers.
And if it hasn't yet, the odds now, the landscape, the terrain is getting more slanted against them. It would be terrible if I was talking baseball every day, like doing those shows with frames, especially when they were going to the playoffs in 2018 was a magical year. But I would live and die with every game.
And maybe because of the national aspect of my job now, where come April, May and June, I throw something up on the computer or the TV. It's not the Brewers. I mean, I'll follow the Brewers, but I'm watching Thunder Suns or whatever it's going to be, because that's going to be more of the conversation. So, and I've talked about this, like the Brewers fandom. It doesn't go away, but it's just I'm not as invested as I was when I was hosting a morning show where we basically spent three and a half of the four hours on the Brewers.
And even if I was, I don't know how invested I could be. I'm sure like baseball is something where if you watch it once a week, you follow it. If you watch it every day, the more you watch it, the more into it you are.
Now that makes absolute sense and also the dumbest, most obvious thing I've ever said. But the more you watch it, the more you get invested in who the 26th man is, in what decision they made based on the night before. This is why I like watching golf tournaments, especially the majors. I don't like just watching Masters Sunday. I like to watch the entire tournament. That's how I think you enjoy it the best. I don't just like watching Avengers Endgame. I like watching all the movies and projects that were in before, even the one shots and the TV shows which may or may not be canon.
Because I want to go into the end product having the whole history. It's like you don't just read the last chapter of a book. So with baseball, it's best enjoyed if you enjoy it each and every day. If you watch it each and every day, if you get into it each and every day, if you follow it each and every day, because then you start to see. And that's why I like the extra innings because if you had an extra inning game on Monday, that was 15, 16 innings, you could see decisions being made Tuesday and Wednesday and Thursday based on the decisions they made on Monday. So I think that's the best way to follow baseball. But even though we're in this landscape now where I would still like to say, okay, the Brewers, what did they do? Have they gotten better?
What do they need? I have told myself that I will never see a Brewers World Series. And I think because I do believe that, it would be an injustice for me and unfair to the listeners if I was doing a Daily Brewer show. Because the thing that we all want so badly, I don't believe is going to happen. I just don't. And I don't think I am.
Maybe deep down I'm doing this to protect myself. But I don't think that I am. I just don't think it's ever going to happen. Now, will it happen in the next 25 years?
I don't know. Does part of me think I'm not going to live? Is it more of a, I don't think I'm going to live. They'll win, they'll win. I just don't think I'm going to live that long.
Maybe that's it. I hope not. That's kind of morbid. But even with that being said, so I say that to preface, I don't think the Brewers are going to win a World Series in my life. I just don't see it happening. Especially now that it is getting slanted more in the Dodgers. The craziest thing about the Dodgers is, you know how I always rip on Bobby Bonilla day? Oh my God, the Mets are still paying Bobby Bonilla. The Dodgers looked at that while all you guys are laughing and they say, actually, that's a really good idea. Because first of all, then we can pay more guys. Yeah, the bill will be due later, but $60 million in 2025 isn't going to be $60 million in 2035.
So we're actually sort of saving money in the long run is what we're doing. So not thinking the Brewers will ever make a World Series in my lifetime does not mean that I don't still cherish and enjoy every season. Because while that is true, I still have a belief and desire that we will continue to beat the shit out of the Cubs. So you see the Dakota standings, 80 wins. We know we'll do better than that. We won't win a World Series, but we'll do better than that.
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How you doing, friend? Did you just start, like, were you just talking Brewers? Well, the Dakota standings are out and they got them at 80 wins. Okay. And Dakota does this every year where they, you know, and then the Brewers overshoot it. Like, I don't think the Brewers are ever going to win a World Series in my lifetime. Okay. But also, I expect the Brewers to make the playoffs every year for the rest of my lifetime. So I'm like, I'm like a pessimist, but I'm not, I'm not like down bad bad. Sure.
So I still think that. But do you even want that? Making the playoffs every year with no world? Is that a good life as a Brewers fan? I don't know.
Because now, you know, having kids, you look at it like in the perspective of. I want I want my kid to be able to realize his championships. And so I just do I just flat out tell him the Brewers are never going to win because with the Royal Rumble.
Can I spoil the UK? I watched it with the Royal Rumble. I spent an hour telling him, buddy, because he wanted Jay. I go, Jay is not winning this thing.
Just please, please get that through your head so you're not disappointed. Sure. Then he wins.
So if I do this with the Brewers, maybe maybe the same thing will happen. OK, I don't know. So then after the Rumble, you know, I'm in bed watching him, watching it with him.
He falls asleep. I go downstairs, kind of dig around a little bit. And then I see. I'm on Twitter. I see hacked is trending.
Like, well, what does this mean? Then I looked. And some people thought Kanye was hacked.
May or may not have been. But then the Shams tweets. Because there was the initial tweet of the trade. Yeah.
And then he tweets. Yes, this is real. Which made me even further think it was a hack. OK, here's the hacker. Doubling down on his hacking. Yeah.
Because this is such an out of nowhere. I mean, some people have compared it to. Ray Allen, Gary Payton. Sure.
Which I think is a nice equivalent for our experience, but not nationally. But Luca Doncic to the Los Angeles Lakers at this point in his career. Yeah. For one first round pick. Terrible. And Anthony Davis. Yeah.
Is. Bewilderment. And and making it so much worse was the comments from the Mavs that followed. So I, like you, post Rumble, see the news and I was talking with a good, good buddy.
Not you, unfortunately, who was who's a huge NBA nerd like I am and loves to follow it really closely. And we were on the phone for like two hours as it was happening. And so for the first 95 percent of it, we like what are the possibilities?
What are the reasons? What's the reaction? And for the first 90 percent, we acknowledged it could just be like it could just be that the Mavs woke up one day and single handedly negotiated with the Lakers. And that was just kind of it. But of course, that's not what happened, because that would be the biggest organizational malpractice a professional sports team could do.
So we set that aside. That's not what happened. Obviously, that's not what happened. No, it couldn't be.
There's no way. Of course, it turned out that it was exactly what happened. But then it's like, OK, so they may have contacted the Bucks.
I don't think I buy that. If there was one other team logically based on it seemed like the position they wanted, it would have been the Bucks. The Bucks are very good credit to them at keeping things quiet. Right. Like they the Bucks do things undercover pretty well. So it would stand to reason that if there was a team, it would be the team with Giannis and the team that keep things.
They did make that trade. You would you do that. You don't do that.
You don't do it. But we come back to that. I'm happy to come back to that. But so then. OK, so that's not what clearly that's not what happened. The Mavericks and Lakers didn't just have a one on one conversation. And then Luca trade happens. So then you say, OK, so Luca clearly requested to go to the Lakers and the Lakers only. Yeah, I had to. And because, of course, it's the Lakers, it couldn't be any other team that benefited. And then before we find out, of course, that, in fact, all the things that we put aside for the first 95 percent of the conversation is, in fact, what happened. You start saying, OK, if you're a Mavericks fan and you're up at midnight on a Saturday or you're waking up the next morning to the news and you're told Luca is traded.
But before you're told for what or to who, you're like, hey, here's like six choices. The Saturday night massacre. I liked your tweet. Thank you. It brought you out of tweet retirement just for that. I'll delete it again. Tweets are now like up for seven days and then I delete them. You're a Snapchat tweeter? Yeah.
I like it. So then so I started because it says me and you did this exercise. I'm sure we did it on a show at some point, but definitely privately. Like four or five years ago. Hey, if the Bucks trade Giannis, like if he requests a trade, he's, you know, forever a buck and blah, blah, blah. Like what would be what would you want? And so I remember at the time looking at, you know, this was again, this was five years ago. It's like, well, what about like a Trae Young and bunch of other stuff from the Hawks? The Hawks initially wanted to get Giannis in the draft.
What about like and I don't even remember all the scenarios, but there was like all these different things at the time. And the one thing you definitely don't do five years ago with 25 year old Giannis. The thing you don't do with present day, 25 year old Luca is get a guy who in the midst of my conversation Saturday night, I kept calling Anthony Davis a 30 year old. I soon looked up that he was going to be 32 in a month. You know, a name I never heard until this week was Anthony day to Davis. What's that? What's in reference like day to day? Like he's day to day. Oh, very good.
Anthony day to Davis. Oh, I like it because they always come street clothes. But this is that's funnier. That's good.
I like it. And of course, that's the funny thing, too, is it's like if you're getting out of the Luca business because conditioning and injury history and whatever else is like. Have you like, do you know that Anthony Davis is a six and a half years older and has his own playing history? I was watching ESPN that night, Kendrick Perkins, and then now Charles Barkley are like saying, No, this is a great deal for the Mavs. Like, that's just to be the contrarian.
Oh, that used the word I was going to say, like, I think I told you. Yeah, because they're like, they're like, Oh, no, he works perfect with Kyrie Irving. Aren't we past the point of building your future around Kyrie Irving? Past that point, you would have thought so I would have thought so the rest of the league would have thought so. The problem isn't that Anthony Davis, okay, better pairing in a vacuum. Luca and Kyrie two ball dominant guards, or Kyrie and Anthony Davis, like, you could make the argument that like, you don't know they were the finals last year now they lost but they played a great Celtics team, you would probably rather have it not be two guards right like two ball dominant guards. So like, if Nico Harrison the Mavs GM wants to spin it that way. All right. The way I look at a lot of things now is like in a debate class. If you were tasked with the Mavs made this trade defended forum hundred percent. There's things you can come up with that, you know, there. This isn't like, but it's, but you're not going to win.
You'd present the artist. Well, and there's so many things to be said here but one of them, I mean, they, they have. Oh, don't forget they have clay Matthews to round up the 2019 All Star team. So one thing I kept coming back like clay Thompson, who do you say Matthews. Yeah, one thing I kept coming back to Saturday night is, is your rule, and I don't know if this will be your lead tonight on the national show but it should be, which is do the thing that the other team doesn't want you to do.
When the reporter reporting the news things he was hacked his phone was hacked when he gets the news. When the team you're negotiating with says you're joking, right. And when your owner says, Nico Harrison said he laughed when he first proposed it, he supported it but he laughed. You're losing. Okay, so Kendrick Perkins or Charles Barkley, like the maps are a good team like if it, if it gels like I don't know, could they be like they'll be fine, but it doesn't matter because you have to put yourself in the frame of like the Bucks five years ago before winning a title but they were close like say like coming off like the Toronto series or something right where it was like they're up to oh they should have been the finals are really good, they're probably going to be right back in the fight, all these other things like the one thing you don't do is you don't get six years older. You don't trade 25 year old Giannis 25 year old Luca unless they are like, Listen, I'm trying to be cool about this but I'm gone. I don't want this to be public, but between me and you, I'm fucking leaving.
Then you begrudgingly like. All right. But short of that you certainly don't do it, just out of like a cut well you know me and me and the Laker like we're cool like we always have these conversations and one time I just kind of said, what about like a like a Luca ad thing. You're joking right, like, no, I'm not like what if we just, oh well we'll have a conversation about it, like, you just, first of you just don't do it, but if you do do it you don't do it in the way that it was done, you don't do it for a player six years older, you don't do it without fielding calls across the league. And like the first thing I thought of is, again, like with the honest there's always all this nonsense speculation. Luca has never had any speculation, really like any like real. They've tried to get every other person out of wherever except they've never thought about that with Luca, never.
And so, you are as a Mavericks fan, and this is one of the things I was talking about on my Saturday night conversation as we are diving into it in real time was like, you're a Mavericks fan. You know, there's there's financial issues to this like well we don't want to commit to a conditioning questionable Luca and like, we want to be on the Luca business, I don't I don't like the 24 hours of fat shaming him afterwards, that's a pretty interesting question. Maybe that's why Barkley had his back. Well actually no Barkley didn't have his back actually I take that back. Perkins and Barkley the two guys who have had conditioning questions actually, that's interesting I haven't thought about to this moment.
Well, for the record Perkins and Barkley both had plenty of conditioning questions throughout their career. But I thought what was interesting is like this idea that if you're, if you were like watching like the financial bottom line of the maps who are under new ownership. I still think, how much money did the Mavericks lose in marketing dollars in sponsorship in season tickets, like I saw a joke tweet that said imagine you're one of like the 24 year old newly hired salespeople for the Mavericks having to make season ticket calls on Monday morning, like the bottom line of the Mavericks suffers. Until the Mavericks make the finals with this new construction.
This is a long term play. What's that I do like they can say they call ownership or whatever but the the new ownership that took over for Cuban. Yeah.
I guess he was stunned, as he should be. He said he'd rather get a divorce than trade. They, they want to build an arena with a casino. Okay.
And in Texas, I guess they're, I think they're kind of like what we are. Okay, the legislature, the legislature there is not having it. Okay. But they might in the future. Okay, so you can't threaten to move. If your team's good and everybody loves you. Yeah.
So if you spiral out of control. Did you say this in our text is it did you say they're March shotting this whole thing. I didn't say those words specifically but.
Okay. I, but then, because then there's no Vegas team we know there's going to be but there's none yet yet. So you threaten the Vegas move. They don't want to move. But you gotta have somewhere to threaten. There's just, or the GM thinks like, I don't know, maybe, maybe he's like, maybe he's like dying and this is like one thing he just wanted to do I like there, you can't just wake up.
One day, and be like, fuck it I'm trading Luca for ad. I know that's what happened. But my dumb human brain won't allow that to be. And then and that's why they have all these like people saying from a bat like, they're not. They're not going. They're not going to do, they're not going to be good. But they're not going to win the finals. No, they're not going to get to where they were a year ago, you know Lakers more moves are coming I'm sure because they need a center now.
Yeah. And I, you know, how do you, it's like, how do you get Luca and LeBron. Who gives a fuck, it doesn't matter right Luca and LeBron.
Mm hmm. The same way it would like Damon Yanas like they'll figure it out even if. Maybe they honestly, even if Damon Yanas don't and even if Luca and LeBron don't in the case of the Lakers. It doesn't matter, because you just were able to reset your clock as a franchise, somehow, yet again. Like 15 years.
Oh, we're gonna be there for another decade. And sure, I mean, and like, unless he really does stay consistently above 270 pounds but like, even if that's what he was playing at. He's a top three player, but he's chunky like does it like if it was like Oh well he was a top two player, then he put on 20 pounds and he was like, bad. He's the athletic just did an article last week about Jokic, and my homes, and how they have like dad bods. Okay, and how they're still athletic with the dad bod. Okay, and our dad bods are in. And then the maps trade fatty donch it. But, but, so there's so many problems.
And I did I did enjoy Jason kid having to sit there, dead eyed. So even even when you try to make a trade like in fantasy like if I'm trying to make a trade in fantasy I'm still like, okay, a sign of this guy but maybe I'll text somebody else just to see if I can get a better deal. Sure. Like how do you not ever think you're going to get away with that deal. Because you assume some level of competence from your peers in whatever that arena is fantasy football or NBA like it's. How can you just be robbed to Lincoln just sit around and then one day you get this call and it's like, yeah, what the fuck.
Well, again, the first problem for Nico Harrison and the map should have been when Rob Palenka said, you're joking right when someone says that, even in a casual conversation that might eventually lead to a negotiation. You don't do the thing. So, you know, realistic options. I have a bunch for you, because I will first of all, realistic options why this happened. Okay. One.
The most realistic option is the most realistic option is this guy went to the future and came back and saw what happened and like this will pay off because, I mean, to just make this trade it's bonkers. Yeah. Now, again, I sent you this thing and I'm sure you saw it on your own on social media even if I didn't send it to you but like this is the same guy who, according to his own Wikipedia page Nico Harrison as a Nike executive called Steph Curry Seth Curry and made some other mistake and like, I mean, I don't know, like, are we sure this is a brilliant man that just didn't relationship his way into a general manager job like that's again like the box are already sending out emails to see Luca and LeBron. They got 13.
Wow. Yeah, and that is assuming of course, and I think it will, but like it's assuming that the Lakers, who now as everyone is reporting nationally like their Lucas team, like, they didn't consult LeBron. They didn't involve LeBron. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, LeBron apparently has always wanted to play with Luca, who wouldn't want to say that about anybody. Well, especially if you're a top three player that's something you say.
So, what I want to spend some time with you on, because there's a lot of ways to look at it but the first thing I did is I said okay, I'm a Bucks fan who has had to contemplate or chose to contemplate the Giannis trades at different points of my Bucks fandom of Giannis being Giannis, and then you're the late and then you're a Mavericks fan and I thought okay well, I hate what I got back. Like Andy Davis, this was so fun. Andy Davis is like the 14th best player in the world. And we're all just like, they got Max Christie.
And, you know, the resilience of the world to like you know what I really liked about this deal with him has no Max Christie is really developing and he is okay so like, it's, it's, of course that's not the point this whole thing. So it's like and then Davis is getting completely dumped on and he's like one of the 15 best players in the world. But he's six years older, has his own injury problems, and like when you saw the videos of the sun's bench reacting to it right you saw the video and there's a couple others of teams and it's like. That wasn't that was partially because Luca got traded and I was partially because if you're Kevin Durant on the sun's bench Devin Booker on the sun's bench being handed a fan's phone. You were going to think what we all thought which is like, well not, I mean, it's not just for Anthony Davis and like a pic. Like, there's more, you know, like, there's not what that's not the trade.
Right, like that's just not what happened. So, when you want, we can do it in the second we can do it in a few minutes but I'll just give you some other trade ideas and I want you to tell me as a put yourself in this one the full trade is. Yeah, go for it. Anthony Davis Max Christie and a first round pick in 2029 Lakers get Luke's up maxi Cleaver and Markie Morris. Yeah. Jazz get Jalen hoods skiffino practice that one for before tonight. And to second round picks this upcoming summer. Yeah, yeah, we'll do it.
Yeah, what's up. So, first off, you're, you're the Mavericks fan you're opening the door the next day and you're like you have like these paths and one of them is like if the option is well you didn't really trade Luca right nope, he's traded right now, now, now pick a door, and the one is you can Anthony Davis and Max Christie and one future first round pick. And then I started thinking okay I'm going to give you some, but you can say, of course I would rather this as a maps fan but you could say in addition to that like yeah but I this other team when they probably wouldn't do that. So let's just start with this Jalen brown, instead of Anthony Davis, much younger than Anthony Davis, with the Celtics do it. You get Luca Luca for jail and of course like, and yeah yeah yeah of course right now you're a man's fan Would you rather Jalen brown, who's I think I didn't look it up like 26 years old, right, or would you rather. Jalen and Kyrie together. I know they've played together before, right, but you don't have to keep first up like the by the general brown story is 28 just turned 28 so he's older than it, but so he's three and a half years older than younger than Anthony Davis. You've seen the, the Jalen brown Kyrie thing in Boston, but like all things considered, would you keep the rather have a deep really okay I'm not again, I think this one was a toss up for me so I just want to be clear. I want to start to know brown. Brown.
Maybe it's because Tatum sucks up a lot of his shots because, yeah, you'd get a lot more shots as the, as the Mavericks guy then you would add the thing with ad is that yeah there are nights where it's like okay this is, he is an elite talent, and he is, but he's never. He. The husband was always like, I promise baby I won't do it ever again. Then he does it.
Yeah. Oh, I promise baby one more time baby. I promise I'll be healthy baby. Okay, Anthony I believe you. Yeah, Anthony you missed a couple of games. Oh well I got my eye and then I just but I promise baby.
Maybe, I don't know. Yeah, that is a tough. That's a tough one. I think that's a fair flip that's a fair like. All right, the heat Bam and hero. You're a Mavericks fan you want Bam and hero, or do you want Anthony Davis and Max Christie.
I want Bam and hero, not even close right now. To me it's not because again, some of this too is you you if you're going to trade one of the three best players in the world who's 25 years old, you don't get six years older in the process. How long is this contract at Anthony Davis.
I think he has two and a half like this one plus two more. Yeah, because the man the man's are thinking they are going to win a title this season with Kyrie and Anthony Davis or next, it has to be this or next. And it's got to be title or bust, of course, because they were in the finals with the current construction. They almost have like what it when the Packers drafted love I said they need to win one with Rogers, and one with us to make it work. If you made the finals. You're at the same spot you were with Luca, except, except you're six years older.
They will and Luca, like, he could rip off two three finals wins in LA. I know, which is annoying. They got it. God bless this trade got just just when you think you can't be surprised there's always some. This is the best part, there's always somebody stupider. I know, once you once you've lowered the bar and how stupid people can be. There's always somebody to out stupid.
The already low bar of stupid. Yeah, yeah. By the way, Bam is 27 heroes 25. You're killing this trade. Oh yeah, get Luca, and then you then you trade, then you trade Butler for some stuff, and you're just like the Luca team that's rebuilding, you know, Terry Rozier can't take his unders anymore. Right. Exactly. So, of course, you're the heat you. And I think the thing you always come back to is like. And we started by saying, you know, Yanis for Luca, I said no.
And I think in 25 cases you would say so I'll give you one that I wouldn't do. Homer tweet the other day about he thinks Lucas or Yanis is going to leave what was that who Homer ESPN was saying that like people are saying there's more discussion that Yanis wants to leave again. I don't know, I didn't see that, but the point now or if he wants to leave fine I mean, but Eric name did go viral, I don't know if you saw it with the honest his comments about. I want your kids to DC this, I want your kids to you didn't see this, go to names Twitter, Twitter, Twitter. Yanis said after the game the other night he was asked for his reaction to the trade and he said, I want your kids to go to the Knicks.
I love that Lucas in LA I want to have a bunch of European player superstars in all the big markets. Oh, you haven't caught up on this morning's news yet. So everyone is like in panic mode because I want European superstars in big markets, he said, quote, This is my dream, said Yanis. Is he kidding. Is he serious, is it some mixture of the two. Okay, let's say something funny because I took it and spoke very serious. Do you want to read it for the for the people listening.
I thought it was fake news it's insane obviously I played against Luca, blah blah blah. Shiba Diddy. Where's the European thing. I think you have to watch a video. Oh no here it is. Yeah, here we go. So this is the, he said it and then he said, this is something new for Europe.
Great guy Sasa Vujicic. Okay. You know what I want I want Luca to the Lakers I want Jokic to the Knicks I want all the Europeans to go to the big markets. This is what I want this is my dream.
I don't think there's anything that I need to be honest just being honest but it's. Yeah. Look, if Yanis wanted to leave guys. He would have left. And again, if the day comes that the Bucks trade Yanis, not this season, presumably, but like, it has to be for not this type of fucking package, you need to get like, you need to do what the Thunder did not even knowing that Shay Gill just Alexander was going to be who he's become, but you get like a 20 year old promising guy, a bunch of pics, and some salary filler, you don't go get an older guy, and like, turn your window from 10 years to two years. You just don't do it here let me give you a couple others so we agree on heat and bam. You could do a very pics based, so here's another thing I want to say before I give you any more like you probably know Rudy go bear got four first round picks McHale bridges got five first round picks Kevin Durant to the sun's got like two really good players want to purchase McHale bridges who they then spot Georgia traded for to all stars. Yeah, so like, so you could do very so like the Nets could have given like seven first round picks the Spurs have 12 first round picks many of which are extremely valuable. They would have to pair Luca with when but with Wendy, they would have given like, you could have gotten Devin the cell, you know, Zach Collins as a contract filler before he went to the Chicago, the bulls and that other trade, but like they hadn't pulled off the Fox trade yet. You don't think the Spurs would have given you everything they have other than when be to pair when be with Luca. You wouldn't rather have like seven Spurs picks, then two years of Anthony Davis at his age 32 and 33 seasons. I mean, how bad can you want Anthony Davis to not even try to explore another package like they were all in. Yeah, so the Lakers said no they're just not trading Luca. How about this. If you're the magic Are you trading Apollo for Luca.
Yeah, I would too. Are you now you're a Mavericks fan. Do you want soon to be 32 year old Anthony Davis or do you want rather than Carol than this is not even close, right, it's not even close. If you're a Mavericks fan.
I don't know what offer you could have that I would rather have ad. I mean, the cabs are the cabs they're doing incredible with it probably touched their team, I doubt it. Having said that, if they could pair, you know, if they could bring in Luca for some combination of like a mobile in a garland and now they have Luca. You got to at least ask if you're about to do this Anthony Davis trade and you're the Maverick you have to at least ask the cabs, right. I don't know if you are like a hardcore OKC guy but I love Jalen Williams, first year all star Jalen Williams, he's amazing like he's really really really really good. If you were to pair Jalen Williams who doesn't make a lot of money yet with like one of their more expensive guys like even if it was like a heart and Stein. OKC could have now they would not want to trade Jalen Williams, like I'm sure like they would have a much harder conversation OKC would if they're asked for Jalen Williams, then the Lakers had to have with Anthony Davis. But if you compare Shay with Luca, like you do it like. And if you're a Mavericks fan you'd much like much like with Apollo thing you would much rather have this youth package of guys, I don't know if there's a team that's like now we're good.
There's very few. So like who would be the Nuggets because when Luca and Jokic play together they just jerk off the whole time all star games, but still, but even even if you were doing that with the Nuggets. I mean, but I'm kidding I'm of course you take them.
Yeah. You can't there's not a team right now that wouldn't take Luca for a similar package. Yeah, I mean you'd have to at least have like, you know, one of the 15 best players in the world, which you know Anthony Davis is in that category is like that. I mean, what's the Bucks equivalent Dame. We're going to give you Dame and Ryan Rollins. I mean, it'd be it'd be Dame and like either AJ Green or Ajax. Yeah, fucking take them.
Yeah. Like, if they were called the Suns, they export a Booker package and they export a Durant package. If you're already trading for 32 year old ad. Like, you probably would rather 32 soon to be 32 year old ad than 36 year old Durant, so I think I would take the Anthony the Anthony Davis package over Kevin Durant package given the age.
But do the sun say no to a Luca Booker trade. So who's in the like the top tier of NBA players right now. Luca, Jokic, SGA, Giannis, Tatum in there. No, I mean, I'm talking one A. Tatum could be one B. Let's let's look up the all stars from this year. Is he was he hurt too much.
I think he was hurt too much. So here's the starters so Jokic, Durant. I'd rather like I said I would I wouldn't trade, given the ages I wouldn't rather have Durant. Then shake you'll just Alexander LeBron and Curry. So, I don't think I mean the Warriors, here's a, you're a Warriors fan.
And a lot of this is like a nostalgia question. I can't go next week. Because it's Monday.
The one day I ever have to work the day after the Super Bowl. Could you go for like a half. I could, but that'd be stupid.
If the if the Warriors got the call and they said Luca for Curry. You have to do it he's a decade younger. You have to write like it would be really like you would say wow, like thank you for. I'll honor you till the dawn of time, you know, this is great because we tried to have our JV team and it blew up in our face. Yeah.
Thank you for the thank you for the out. Yeah. Yeah. So the other okay so then it's the rest of the NBA all star starters Giannis Tatum Donovan Mitchell, Donovan Mitchell is obviously like not in the one a tier. Jalen Brunson is not the one a tier town is not in the one.
Oh, this was the other one I was gonna ask you. Who says no, you call the Timberwolves for Anthony Edwards, who says no. Again, you're the matter. Luca, you're the Mavericks, you know you have this Anthony Davis trade you have it, it's in your pocket. You can do it if you want to.
And now you're just exploring what's better. And you call it would you call the wolves, and what would the wolves say. They'd say yes.
I'm conflicted on that answer. Only because not because who's better or what, but it would be like you were finally for the first time since Garnett was young, you have like your next guy and if you try and he seems to want to stay there and it seems to want to stay there, long term be the face of the team. If you trade that guy without any assurance that Luke is going to be with you for 10 years. Like, like, it's more of a more of like a PR question, you know, like can, can we like do like are we like how do we trade. Can we like do like are we like hurting us like what if they try to this trade was Kyrie Kyrie to the Lakers.
It would make a lot more sense. I have a million more. This is, this is an untradeable guy. Untouchable.
This is you do. And they traded them for. You're the guys I don't think that's like somebody selling off their stocks.
When they know that the company is going to go bankrupt a week before. So here's, there's got to be some insider trading shit going on. Well, again, this is where like it's a league of relationships where it's just Polinka and Nico Harrison have known each other for 20 years, and they're just having coffee talk. It just happens to be that their coffee chat is about Luca Doncic trades. Guys like john Michi and shit. You're the guys I think for, for all intents and purposes I think would not have been traded one to one. I don't think the bucks would have traded Giannis. I don't think the Nuggets would have traded Jokic, and it doesn't mean that they shouldn't or should it just means the Lakers would have given up LeBron. Of course, I get it, it's, it's like, so okay so I'm gonna tell you if you tell me if there's any names you add to this who teams that would have said no for certain players. Jokic, the, the Nuggets would have said no just because it just said no.
No, they would have said no. The Bucks would have said no for Giannis maybe they did say no for Giannis, but I think the Thunder would have said no for SGA. Again, some of that's like just not because SGA is better necessarily but like you just kind of can't right like you're the Celtics say yes for Tatum.
I think the Celtics say yes for Tatum the only other name I was gonna say that I think would be a no would be would be when be, I think the Spurs would say, Oh yeah, he's not when be yeah when be. I think that's it. I think those are the only hard no which means you could have had anything else, any, any combination of any teams, one and two. Yeah. Yes. You could have had. Yep. I think those are the four that would have said, wow, like the Aaron Fox and sub bonus. You could have had that. Yeah.
You could have most most teams one and two. Yeah. For Luca. Yep. And we got is it better than we found out on a Saturday night or whatever. Was it was that the elite time to find out if I was you I was bummed I thought of you of course and I thought like oh man like because you have to wait.
All of Saturday night, all of Sunday, all day Monday. But in the meantime, the only good news was because if that would have been like a Thursday night at midnight Can you imagine like having the last hour of your show, like wait what what just happened just there's not what's happening. That would have been incredible. And we might get one of those this week, who knows.
And now and that's like what makes it so fascinating is like well, as if this isn't enough, but you have so many options on the table now of like when I talked to Kurt helen. Yeah, yeah. We're like this trade down is gonna be pretty boring he goes Yeah, probably. Yeah. No, sir.
Yeah. The Rockets would have given you their young guys like I'm in Thompson if you follow closely enough like is a super up and comings, you know, superstar like it kind of would have been like getting shake elders Alexander. What back when the Thunder did you know like, yeah, seems like it'd be great like so you could have gotten him and then maybe Jalen green could with the rockets have tossed in shangoon who's a first year all star, like what could you have gotten there plus the rockets have a billion picks. The rockets are doing great, like they don't like need air, like, this is the kind of I hate I hate and fantasy leagues when they have trade vetoes. Well, this is the kind of trade that leagues are like all right we have to, you have to be able to vote if you should, because someone's clearly helping out their brother, you, you would, I mean, again, you should bring up in the national conversation you should bring up the David Stern's veto of the Chris Paul the Lakers trade. Yeah, there was enough owners across the league, who got wind of it before it was official and went to David Stern and said, You got to step in this is something is a something is a mess here.
Someone's doing someone a favor under the table. And he did. Silver wouldn't. I don't think you can I think Stern was wrong for that.
I do. I think it's, again, kind of your point about the fantasy football veto thing like, you know, unless this is kind of dark, but you brought up first. You're like, is Nico like dying, like, because Luca.
Well, they have they do like a test on his heart and they didn't tell Luca what's up. Well, because it was like, when someone's about to leave your fantasy football league but they haven't really told anybody yet. And then they like trade their stuff it's like, well, and then you find out four days later like that guy left the league. That's, that's what you would assume here you would get this trade thing and like trade pending in your fantasy football league and then you'd say, so my thoughts are leaving the future.
Someone's dying somewhere. I'll say that tonight. Is that too risky.
It's a bit. Maybe don't say specific persons, but like, I'm gonna say did they do a test on Lucas heart and not tell. Why else would you just trade this guy. Yeah, like, oh, you know, he gained a little weight.
Okay, well here's your. We got your chef we got your nutrition we got your workout guy, not bail on the future of our franchise because you had a beer after you won the Western Conference finals, and honestly like, and I should mention this and I think you know this because I think we've talked about this on one of these but I don't like Luca, I don't like to watch him. I think he's a pain in the ass. Like, he's not. I am probably among like the low the 10% of people who would be like, that would, if Luca was my team's best player I would be very annoyed, because I just, he's not enjoyable. I'm relatively anti Luca, as far as they come. But even with being that it's like this guy's a top three to five player top two question mark, you know like, even with like the quote unquote like weight concerns or conditioning issues.
You just don't. And again, so if you were hell bent on training and you want out of the Luca business. I let's just say you have to take that path and this kind of goes what I was saying like you can open six different doors, and all of them involve Luca being traded. The one thing you can not do is only negotiate with one team, and get back a package that that the prized piece is six years older than the guy you're trading.
It's malpractice, it's like, you know, you just can't. And the only way this guy can be that Nico Harrison can be vindicated the only way is if they win the title in the next year and a half. That's the otherwise he is a pariah forever. Yeah, but you still have to win as many titles as Luca could. If Luca rips off three titles. Yeah.
Because you're not just trading, like you. Yeah, you were gonna have Luca for. I mean, so even like back to Yanis maybe maybe Yanis realizes something different in life and he wants to make a quick move before his kids are super entrenched in a school. You know, I, I don't think Bucks fans should. I mean, that's a possibility I don't think that we should think that it's not. But the one thing that we've done at least had a decade.
This would be like you. You don't trade this guy before like you win. Yeah. Yeah, at this point now like Yanis just turned 30 Lucas 25, that's a big difference like in theory in the NBA history, Yanis is now past his prime, like the age 28 season is like your crescendo, like that's supposed to be across the standards like that's that's your peak. So, Luca is three years away from it, Yanis is two years past it. You know, there's outliers and like Yanis is certainly an outlier.
And again, I would not trade Yanis for Luca. You just you just kind of can't, you know, you just even if it's like well I think that could work like you just you kind of just can't right. He's been loyalty you just you just can't. The only way you can do it is if he says, I'm leaving.
Wow. And please I really want to do this respectfully I love Milwaukee, can we please do this quietly, the only way. And if that were the case which this Luca was not you shop it around. How can we live in a world where people look at the NBA NBA people look at the Bucks getting Dane and saying, stupid ass fuckers traded you holiday. And yet the same people are going, the Mavs won this deal. They, they don't mean that. And Kendrick Perkins don't mean why are they doing it.
So we talk about them. I'll say this, I don't enjoy the viewing experience of Luca Doncic, I don't, I don't like don't get me wrong there are some times in the finals last year and going to the finals when it was like he made shots you're like, but 98% of the time like Luca is a difficult watch. I never start a cheer for, you know, but like Luca to me at least never has been like I don't want him to be like my guy. Having said that, you just, you have to be, even if you were like the biggest Mavs fan who was like man I really wish they would trade Luca first I'd love to get out the Luca business. You're still pissed about the way they did it, you have to be.
Mavs fans I think the Lakers play there and it sounds like Mavs fans are buying up all the tickets to go root for the Lakers. That would be fun. Oh, I should say this too. What was the report this morning I want to share with you if I find that I'll send it to you and I'm trying to remember exactly what it was now, I had it in my head a minute ago, I lost it. Well, yeah.
Oh, it was this. Some people wondered like, why did the Lakers not have to give up their 2031 pick. In addition, like they could have at least had two fucking picks in the deal. Then the question was like well why didn't they get Austin Reeves, why didn't they get Dalton connect, like there's other things that it like if you're the Mavs. And you're making this negotiation it's not like the way they go ad connecting Reeves. Yeah, and to first round picks instead of that's completely different. And the report this morning was. It was Kirk Goldsberry, who's well known in the NBA reporting circles I think he was on Simmons pod. And he said that Polinka talked Nico into the idea that Luca was too big of a risk to also include this other stuff. And so they quote whittled it down to not include connect, and the other first. So Polinka gets executive of the year.
Look up. Of the decade, like he could screw everything else up and he's executive of the decade. Look this up Kirk's Goldberg, Kirk Goldsberry Simmons, you'll find it, it's unbelievable that amidst getting hosed that Nico Harrison got hosed further by being like yeah you know I get it. So yeah, let's not do connect and the other first you're right, you're, you're right Rob Polinka brutal how many different offers Do you think Nico's getting today for just like, hey, you want to trade Kyrie for Pat Connaughton.
You should send him anything. Well, that's certainly interesting. We think the bucks are making a deal or what, I don't care. Everyone's mad because they lost three games in a row big time. It's annoying. They'll turn it down in the playoffs.
They'll blow on the playoffs. I'm actually not if there's if there's ever been a flip the switch team in the NBA it's the Milwaukee Bucks. Are you out on the Brook Lopez experience like the like Nico Harrison's out on the loop. I've been out on the Brook Lopez experience, so I for the first time I'm starting to see like some level of bucks fan consensus of like, well the first six minutes he's gonna have five boards he's gonna make three threes and then he vanishes.
Mm hmm. Where's he go. I think the bucks are old, I do hope they make a trade. I do hope that Portis is. And by the way, Portis his absence has been felt, you know, so like in a small small sample size. Me being an anti Portis guy please trade Portis guy like he would have helped these past three games during his absence. But I hope they make a move. And I do wonder like, you know, this happened a few days before the trade deadline, whether this is the box or other teams. Aren't you maybe like empowered now to be more bold and daring and risky and like, aren't you feeling like well fortune favors the bold Yeah, well, and just like kind of like well fuck it, like, if they can do a Luca ad trade in the middle of the night. I can trade Chris Middleton, I mean, like, we just can't trade them know all rules are out the window.
That's what I mean I think it's a very good we live more and more in a realist society. Well, and you might have seen maybe you haven't seen but like the Warriors and the Warriors and sons reopen their Kevin Durant discussions today. They're getting Katie back. I'm saying that they've the conversation started again, that'd be sweet. Yeah.
So, you just got to get get Katie back and go and say, let's go be fun. All right. Appreciate your time.
I look forward to hearing the national perspective on this ought to basically be your takes is my own. I love it, please. I count this as logged hours for my show. Thank you guys all for stopping into the Winkler verse we'll have more on the trade deadline this week. Until then, I said I signed off a show the other day. I signed off and I said, you don't have to do a. You don't have to do a big gesture to make a big impact. That's deep. And someone's like, Is that your sign off ago. I don't know why I just fucking said that that was weird. Spay and neuter your pets. There you go.
