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Longtime frenemy of the Winklerverse, Andrew Wagner. Who you can find at American Family Field covering your Milwaukee Brewers? What's up, Weggs? The FCC can't really police podcasts, right? That's why we're able to do this.
What do you want to say first? Tits? No. What do you mean? I mean, you're the one that talked about.
crapping your pants the last time that we uh We got together. That was. That was epic. That was that was the epic road trip.
So when we went to St. Louis in 2018, Yeah, no, 19, I think. Was it 18? 18 or 19, yeah. I think I drove.
I should be talking to my microphone. I drove there by myself, right? And then you There we go, much better. You hitched her right back. I think that's what it was.
I went I rolled down with uh With Kevin Holden, I think, from Fifty Eight. And then you were driving back alone. I'm like, yeah, I'll ride with you. We recorded a podcast, and I tell you what, that was better than my last ride home from St. Louis, that's for sure.
That was a epic trip. We stopped at Bob Evans. I was going to wear the hat. I just didn't know where it was. Yeah, I can't find mine either.
We bought hats that day. But why you talk what why I brought it up and why you brought it up? is because that was a long day. And what? I got there.
I immediately went to the hotel, threw my stuff down. Winterbush Stadium. Got there for the game. Had all the postgame stuff. Couple of us went out for A couple of brews, and then I came home and I realized that the underwear that I had been wearing.
The entire day. Was not salvageable enough to bring home. Ha ha ha ha. Yeah. That is There's a that's the most Beautiful description I've ever heard of.
Soil like one's trousers.
Well, I didn't like, you know, you know how, like, like a kid.
Well Make a B M in his diaper. I didn't shit my pants. You checked your swing on a fart. Yeah. I n but I was not ever going to wear those Boxer briefs again.
Winked at the devil. Yeah, so there is a distinction. And I was just over the line of You must burn these or it's The hotel's problem though. Yeah. My good friend Travis Curry, fiddler for the amazing bandaliers, he's got a podcast with his bandmates and.
This would fit right in because I'd swear, like. At least every episode, 30% of it, is dedicated to, you know. Breaching one's trousers.
So. Half tip to you, Travis.
Well, yeah, hat tip. And, you know, I don't. I'm not in. I don't. Yeah, I try not to.
Swim into that kind of humor, but it is a it is a thing that happened to me, so I must. you know i must share if anything happens to me i must share it that's my curse that was a good that was a good uh Podcast. I didn't really. realize the direction it was gonna go. Um but if it's still out there in the Winklerverse, that's a Longtime fans will remember it and should go back and revisit it because that was one of the best.
Best episodes of broadcasting ever done. You know what I'll do? I'll throw it on to this on the audio version. If I can find it. Yeah, but I'll slap it onto this.
It was a podcast, so it was before. I became a basement boy. Um But it was when I was doing podcast on the side at twelve fifty and I We taped our car right home, or some of it, and then we hung like the recorder was just dangling in the middle. That was great.
So, yeah, that'll get the money's worth out of this episode. Are they still calling you Basement Boy? Um Because I'm doing this from my mom's house.
So. To all you who talk crap about Bart doing it from his basement. Lisa Dane is mom's basement. I'm in. what used to be my mom's house.
So, you know, I feel no shame. You know who you are. I try to not. I did, you know, I've offered to go on other shows, but nobody seems to want me. Yeah.
I was stuck in that position where I couldn't get I could get hired. Anywhere but Milwaukee. Yeah. The place I live. That's Yeah.
I know how that goes. That's why I'm doing this podcast from my late mother's house.
So, you know. It's quite the predicament. All right. I do want to talk to some brewers. We're coming up to the all-star break.
So it's a series against the Nationals and then the All-Star break. But I think. We've got a pretty good idea. Or do we of what this team is? I was talking to some people after the Pirates series ended, and one guy, you know, always in the comments, one guy says, oh, it's the same team that they've always had.
And I don't No. But but but then so hold on so What he's saying is. It will be like the same thing. Like they'll have a fun summer, NL Central, make the playoffs, maybe get bounced. I just think that There se for me There's more like that, because a lot of years that did seem inevitable.
And while that probably like, Okay, this Brewers team against the Dodgers or the Philly, you know, whatever, that it seems like a tall mountain to climb. And this has to be Pat Murphy influence, but there seems to be a different level of. Hope Or like Just the understanding that maybe they can do it. I don't know. I sense a different vibe from this team, and I know you.
Have to being there all the time. It's a completely anyone that says this is the same old thing, and I've seen it too, like, because they. They went three and four on the road trip, and suddenly, oh my God, it's the end of the world. Same old brewers, you know, crap in their pants. Hey, another crap in the pants before the break, and they're going to.
Fall apart in the second half, like they always do. And I'm like, what the hell have you been watching? This is a completely different team than we've seen. And this team. If I had to find a brewer's team from the past, That Closestly compared, that's not even a word.
That is the closest comparison to this team. I'd go back to 92 when Phil Garner came in. And they were running the lights out. You know, they were playing old school National League Baseball in the American League. Listash was swiping bases left and right.
I think they beat the Blue Jays 22-2 at one point that year. Like, that's 92 is my favorite ever team. 92. Really?
Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that was quite the squad. They went 92 and 70. Missed the playoffs by like two games, I think.
Yeah, and that's when the playoffs that's when the playoffs were Good, where only two teams made the playoffs. I'm not kidding. That's the closest comparison that I can find to this team. And that's. One reason why I say the vibe is different.
The other reason is, I mean, Murphy is. has instilled this belief in the guys, like They don't realize that they're supposed to suck. I think is what it comes down to. You know, nobody expected anything of these guys going into the year. And probably rightfully so.
I mean, there was good talent there, but you certainly weren't expecting what you're seeing. Um And the philosophy has been win tonight. And it's You know, on the placards, the name placards above every locker, win tonight. That's basically the slogan: don't worry about what's going to happen in October, don't worry about what the expectations are. Just go out there and win the game tonight.
And they have so many different ways. that they can do it. Um that it just keeps working. You know, some nights they're going to go out there and they're going to win with pitching. That's not the dominant pitching that you came to expect the last couple of years, but.
They're able to cobble together 27 outs effectively and get just enough offense. Other nights, they are going to run teams into oblivion. And smallball you to death, death by paper cut. Other nights, they're going to come out and bludgeon you. And some nights they're going to do all of the above.
And then you're going to have nights like the other night where they're going to get smoked 12 to 2. It's just going to happen. But That's fine because Murph's philosophy is: all right, go out there and win the next night. You know, don't worry about. How many and what you need to just win tonight.
And when you've got a bunch of guys. That Have nothing to lose and everything to prove. And let's face it, there was no pressure on them because no one expected anything of them. You can just go out there and play ball, and it's worked.
So as they head into the all-star break, they're not going to, I mean. They're not going to be any worse than 11 games over 500. and first place in the National League Central. It's a really good spot to be. They'll then hit the second half running and see if the Cardinals are going to do what they've done in the past.
Pirates, Reds, Cubs, I guess they're all within striking distance at this point in the season. But for where the Brewers are, it's a really good spot. Yeah. I think the biggest, you know. To me, the biggest difference.
Is the manager? Is this team like Where are spots on this team? that you feel are different because Pat Murphy's there and not Craig Council. I guess if Craig Counsel was the manager, everything I said about them heading into the second half, do you still feel that would be the case? They'd be first place.
They'd be 10 games over. It's hard to say. I mean. Maybe, maybe not. I think.
Murph is the right guy. For such a young, unproven squad, I think. Craig is probably better with the money. Like what they want, maybe we're trying to do with Ken Maka. Only this is working a little better.
Yeah, probably. That's that's I mean, but those guys had a little bit more A little bit more under their belt. I mean, they had some run already. They were in there, a couple of those guys were in there a couple of years. I mean Listen, Council and Murphy are two completely different people.
How that translates into victories, I don't know. I'm not that smart. But I do think that with this group they had put together. Pat Murphy was the perfect guy for the job. And I think the coaching staff.
Even more so than Murph. I mean, Murph sets a tone. You know, he's the guy there at the end of the day. You know, taking the questions, but give some credit to Ricky Weeks. Give some credit to.
Chris Hawk, yes um you know, Ozzie and Connor, the hitting coaches, hando out in the bullpen. Like they've got. A lot of good coaches on that staff. And I think what you're seeing is just. You know, everything is working and clicking.
You know, every single person on that roster and staff is contributing, and it's paying off in a hell of a good run so far. I mean, if you would have said going in going into to spring training. Knowing that you didn't have Corbin, knowing that you didn't have. Woodruff for the whole year. Um Okay, you thought you still might have a good team, but it was a lot of young guys.
And then, with all the dudes that went down, when Devon goes down in spring training, and you're losing this guy, and this guy, and this guy. There's no way anyone expects this team to be you know 10 over 500 and and comfortably leading the NL Central at the break. I mean I think you'd have to be lying. If you said you did. I'm so, I gotta get there.
And you've, you're bowling me back into it. I gotta, I gotta go cover a game because I didn't really realize. how long I was there. Like I started covering games in 15 And I was there through 22. And what a thrill it was every time I got to see you at the ballpark.
So when I started, Ron Renicky was the manager. My guy. My guy. But he got fired in like four weeks since I was there. Yeah, you cursed him.
And I but I felt like, okay. I didn't see in I was I'm all about me. I want to be friends with everybody. In sports.
So I get so counsel gets in there. I'm like, oh, this guy's cool. And then like I don't know that he was. I felt like so And tell me how it is now, and I'll have to go find out for myself. It is a night and day difference.
I mean, Because I felt that when I would go in there. There wa like council has this I don't I You know how like some people you can feel are in the room? Yeah. And some people, that's a good feeling. Yep.
Council's not. I mean, I'll come right out and say this. Like, I have no problem saying this publicly. big reason why I took last year off and Became a full-time remodeler. It wasn't just that.
The journalism industry sucks, and I keep getting passed over for gigs, but like I was sick. of getting just berated and bullied by counsel every day. I'm not getting paid enough to deal with this guy. I don't know what it is that I did to him to chap his ass the way that I did. But someone asked me early in the season.
You know. Because some of the other beat guys were telling me, dude, come back. It's way different. It's way different. I'm like, With my mental health, I don't need this stress.
Trust us. It's different. And after the first game, I got asked, like, so was it different? I'm like, this is the first time since 2015 that I've walked out of a manager's pregame gaggle and didn't have to call my therapist. Like, It was mind-blowing.
I mean, Murphy. Openly says, I look, this is my favorite part of the day. I mean, he's sitting there and he's bullshitting with you for 20 minutes. Yeah. Yes.
Coming up with random stuff. If someone new shows up pre-game or post-game, we can't start until that new person introduces himself. That's where he or she is from, what he or she does for a living, a little bit of background. And like, he's not asking to be. Funny, he's asking because he actually gives a damn, which is a novel concept.
A manager, a skipper that doesn't openly detest the people covering him every day. I mean, he gives actual answers. Go back to that whole. Blake Perkins Bunt. A couple of weeks ago.
I mean He came out there and said, Yeah, it was a dumb mistake. He shouldn't have done that, you know, this, that, or the other thing. But I'm not going to go out there and light his ass up over because he already knows he did something wrong. I mean, He's felt honest about it. Would he?
has a makes a a a pinch hitting decision or a pitching change that Backfires or doesn't work out. And one of us asked, Well, did you think about going with so-and-so? And he'll sit here and walk you through his thought process.
Well, here's what I was thinking. It didn't work. I made a mistake. That one kept me up at night. I mean, it's amazing asking a question and getting an actual answer and not just.
Gruff or double talk, or you know, insulted for asking. Yeah, well, you know, baseball games are, you know, sometimes you win. We made a decision. You know, we made a decision, and that was the decision. Yep.
Yep. It is pleasant covering baseball again. As pleasant as it is watching this team, it is that pleasant. And that's coming for me. But man, let's face it, I've been a bit gruff in my life.
I won't lie. There's been some times where I've been a little. Chippy. If I was walking down a street and saw you walking the same way, I'd cross the street. Absolutely.
As well, you should. I remember Pat Murphy took over for Andy Green. Yeah. With the Padres. And I was there that day because it was a big deal, Murphy Council.
And like you said, we went to the. You know, everyone's like, oh, you got to talk to Pat Murphy. And so there's the San Diego media, and then all these Milwaukee media. And not like he's going to remember, and not like, you know, but he did that thing. He goes, I just, who are you?
Who are you? Who are you? Where are you from? Where are you from? And The biggest thing that I would say To people that want to know what it's like to cover teams or to be involved in the reporter athlete situation is.
At least how I felt. I've always felt like two foot nine. You know, I feel like I'm in, like I'm at a meat market. Like, I'm not sure. You're what?
You're 4-6 in real life? 4-6 and a half in loafers. Yeah. Hey, I'm 5'10. I'm the perfect American male height.
Nicole's taller than you, right? No. Okay. I got an inch. A couple inches.
And a boy. I'm five, ten and a half, a nice American man size. Gotcha. But I you go in there and it's like And that's like a c uh you were someone that helped like make me feel like I was at least a human. Oh god, really?
Yeah. Jesus, I must have been drunk. You're like the only person that talked to any new person. You're the Pat Murphy of the Brewers Media. We'll take that.
Yeah. So it was just like, it just felt like. I was. And a lot of times, a lot of p you know. Sports, whatever, but to feel like Like it's a weird relationship, press and player, and all that.
And you know, sometimes the players. Want more from the press, like help me with this.
Sometimes the press just wants to be their friend. And I just feel like with council, again, the vibe in that clubhouse, I would, because I would go into the locker, I would go into the visiting clubhouse too a bunch. You went to the visiting clubhouse. Music's playing. These guys are loose.
They know they're going to play a baseball game.
Some of those brewer clubhouses. From 15 to 22, and it'd be different based on the year. But one time, Jason Rodgers, remember him? He played first and third. Oh, my God.
Yeah. I go up to him, I go.
So Aramis Ramirez, you know. He's at third and you're trying to learn third. Are you like, is he giving you he just goes. Yeah. As if as if they never even talked in their life.
So I just there were some teams in there. That the vibe was bad. Obviously, when they win, it was a little better, but. I wonder how much. of it is A bad vibe because of the record, or a bad vibe because I think you do take on, like, when you have a leader.
If your leader's peppy and go giddy. You start to feel off that. But if your leader's always like, it just, I don't know. I felt like I was walking on eggshells and I felt like some of the players maybe did too. Yeah, it's I mean A lot of that comes from the people that are in the room.
Um I don't know, it's it's It's a great vibe in there this year. And listen, I. I don't like The whole loitering in the clubhouse thing. I mean, I'm going to be in there today. When it opens up.
I've got guys that I want to talk to, but. I will admit, you know, there's a lot of standing around that comes with it, and some players get bothered by that. And I understand that. I understand, I respect the fact that that's. You know, a lack of a better term, a safe space.
Um should be. There yeah, it should. And there's there are a lot of people that just hang out there for the sake of hanging out and that really pisses me off. Um But at the same time, Yeah. Guys know If we're coming to talk to them on a certain day.
And for the most part, when we need those guys, they're there, they make themselves available. And that's That's to me a sign of a good clubhouse. You know, not just because of the whole media aspect, it just shows there's. Accountability and responsibility and maturity to it. Like the other day.
And this is no fault of his own. Tobias Myers goes out there and pitches an absolute gem. I mean, you just. Breaking. Um And really, he was the only guy we needed to talk to.
And, like, we're waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting. And The kid is young. Like, he wasn't trying to dodge us or ditch us or make us wait. He was getting treatment. He was doing his post-game stuff, doing his recovery stuff.
So it's taking a while. And some of the vets were kind of like. Getting a little annoyed, not with us, but they were looking for him. They're like, you know, it's. Rob Zostrinsky.
kept going to look for him. Um Again, it wasn't like he was, they were mad at us for being in there. They understood that. we're just there doing our job and it wasn't like tobias was trying to duck us or screw us over But You know, some of those vets have told these young guys, hey, We know you got your stuff that you like to do after the game, but The faster you go and talk to these guys, the faster they all get out of here, and the faster that we can have our room and have our post-game. That really stood out to me.
Because especially on a team with so many young guys. That There is enough of a relationship between the experienced vets and those young guys where the young guys. you know we'll actually listen not just say oh they're full of and Where the old guys aren't saying, oh, these young kids think they knew it all to hell with them. It's a really good vibe, and I hate using that term. I just sound like a.
Pain in the ass. Pretentious, you know, lakefront condo girl vibe, but it's a great vibe in there. Like You can tell. Just by the way they interact with us and around us. is the way they interact with each other and you can see that then come out on the field.
I mean, it is. It's a great environment. And to me, It's no surprise that that environment combined with the talent that's on that team. is why they're winning. I agree with you on Vibe, but I think I hate sounding so positive.
I hate sounding so positive. I think vibes come to the middle. I think you can say vibe. I think vibes been mainstreamed. Because I was with you.
Now what I don't like is And not that I'm the biggest. I don't know that I have a rosary in this house, I'll say. But when something happens. And you say sending thoughts and prayers, you know? I'd rather have that than sending positive vibes, sending good vibes.
When people say that to me Uh pisses me off. You disappeared. Yeah. Okay. We're gonna take a quick 30.
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Terms and conditions apply. Need to hire? You need Indeed. Okay, we took a pause that was longer than 30, but we are back. There were some technical difficulties, which I have been far too familiar with on my end of this.
So, no problem there. The thing that I think happened. Was that he just disappeared again? Wagner got positive. That was it.
He knew it too. He got positive. He started getting worried about it. He recognized that he got positive. That's not the balance of life.
Andrew Wagner is not supposed to say positive things. And so the The whatever whatever vibes you believe in have struck Wagner. Have struck his technology down. Unbelievable stuff. This is a lesson.
That if you're a bad person, and that wagon's not bad, but if you're a negative person. Just be negative. If you're a positive person, be positive. We're all on the same life scale balance. We can't be changing.
We got to be who we are. We got to be what the zodiac sign says, which the older I get, the more I believe there's something to astrology. I don't want to go further into that. Our thanks to Andrew Wagner. For Talking some brewers both on the field.
And Behind the scenes. For my next trick, I am going to, as Andrew Wagner alluded to. We're going to play. I'm going to now attem I'm going to hashtag really tack it on. A podcast episode from September of 2018.
We had talked about coming back from St. Louis. Which we did. And we did do a podcast together for about 40 minutes.
So the audio is: we are in a car. And it's car audio, but we are talking. Like I said, the microphone was in between the middle. I'm tacking on just because, you know, it's a 25-minute episode.
Some people are like, okay, 25 minutes, that's fine. That's all I needed. Little behind the scenes. A little bit of uh positive stuff about the Brewers. I'm all good.
And There you go. See ya. But if you're like looking for more audio this weekend. Instead of just saying, hey, I'm going to send you to you, go find it, you won't.
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Here is my road trip with Andrew Wagner. We'll be back next week. I am going to talk to the Commissioner. of the league that the Milkmen are in. The AAPA Which is not what it's called, the AAPB.
Maybe I'll ask him about the Franklin Lloyd Loud. Lloyd. The Franklin Maybe maybe I'll ask him about fireworks. Anyway, that'll be next week. We'll talk some All-Star game next week.
So a lot to get into. And then the shareholders meeting. Which I need to get to. All right. The aforementioned.
Several times aforementioned road trip with Andrew Wagner. If not, deuces, I'll talk to you next week.
Okay, Bart, we're recording. Get your motor running. Shut up. Cruising down the highway. Shut up.
Looking for the other highway. Winx Thinks Podcast. And we're coming to you from a car today. I'm Bart Winkler. And I'm with Andrew Wagner.
Now Andrew Wagner I have known for a while. He covers brewers and Bucks games is where I see him. And I never really know who he writes for. Andrew? I write for a lot of places, Bart.
I am the Journalistic equivalent to a prostitute. I have a laptop. I will produce content. for a feet.
So I write four. The sports exchange. Uh Forbes Sports. Uh Wisconsin State Journal. Uh occasionally the AP.
And for toolguide.com for all your DIY, home improvement, woodworking, and you know, tool-related needs. Every time I go to Exports Exchange website, it doesn't exist. It's like a wire service. Yeah. Fine.
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Me.
So you have driven to St. Louis with. We'll get into that, but are you making any money on this trip? Yeah. Oh, okay, you are property.
Wow. Oh, we're going there, okay. I d I don't do this for fun, Bart. We are driving back from St. Louis.
It is the Twenty seventh. of September? The day after Brian Schouse's birthday. Twenty eighteen. I try I like to get the dates on here 'cause Yeah.
Uh so last night the brewers Clinch playoff spot and it was it was fucking incredible Uh I I came down there. I decided on Tuesday We were talking on the s on the show, Chuck and Winkler. I said Yeah, no, I if if if they can clinch I'm gonna go. And I always say shit like that and never do it. And then Chuck's like, uh oh, uh, boom boom.
Blah blah blah. Picnic basket. I was just gonna say, why are you making trucks on a drunken yogi bear and even right to picnic basket? And I said, no, yeah, sure, credential me. And then And then I the wheels were in motion.
Yeah, you to me why you take that? Um yeah, it looks like a work employee. It is a work call, so we're just gonna go ahead and pause this for a second.
Alright.
Okay, you can edit that out, right? No, I'm gonna keep that in.
Okay. So Andrew took a work call. I did. And he had work voice, I did. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
I have like five different voices right now. I have like my you know, work voice. My Dealing with insolent children and/or my siblings' voice. How's that going? Not well.
Um dealing with Idiot. Bill collectors. for my late mother's estate. Voice. Which is a lot of profanity.
Uh Press box voice. And then dealing with dumbasses like you boys.
So, you know. A man of many hats. What's your Um In the act. Just about to go boys Ha ha ha ha ha ha. It's just a real family-friendly uh Anyway, what the hell are we talking about?
So I decided to go to St. Louis. Oh, yeah. because it's all about you. It's my pod.
It's my podcast. Your accolades. Why would I do a podcast if I'm not going to talk about me? All right. What am I gonna do?
Uh this week I'm gonna show you how to Uh fix uh sink. Dude, those are great podcasts. Actually, a YouTube video helped me. Do my garbage disposal and my thermostat. I am a big fan of the YouTube Maker community.
In fact, I am going to be launching my own website and channel in the next couple months, so. That's how I learned everything about my workshop. Mm-hmm. In the time that we paused it, We also almost got in a car to three of them.
Okay. Well I only counted two, though. and uh I started eating M Ms. And I don't know if you can pick up the chewing. People drive like morons in the state of Illinois.
Which is uncanny to me because There are no fucking hills. It is just Straight and flat, everywhere. Yeah, well whatever. Thank you for driving the camera. That's fun.
I can't thank you enough.
So I drove down here by myself. On Wednesday, the day of the game. And Andrew went with some other people. And uh you're about an hour ahead of me. Attempting to connect to your phone.
What the fuck are you doing now? I tried to get my beef jerky and I hit a button. She is. Shut up, talk.
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There we go. We're good now.
So it's a good thing I came about an hour behind you. You guys went straight to the ballpark. I had to stop at the hotel. I had to go I had to go to the bathroom.
So I went to the hotel, figured out some equipment. Went to the bathroom. Which I'm just reminded that I left a pair of my boxers in the garbage can. They were selling underpamps at the truck stop right next to the bathroom. I uh It it was too brown to take home.
Too many parts. This is a I'm proud to be a part of this podcast.
So whoever cleaned my room At the city Tin or whatever it's called. Did you leave a tip for your. Oh, I forgot. Jack is. I always do.
I always tip the main. But I left at five in the morning 'cause I Had to go do the show. We'll get to that.
Alright, so we covered the game. Brewers Cardinals. And as a tight game, Two to one. Ridiculous play. Mustakis throws over to Shaw.
It's by him. Broxen came and got it, didn't he? Broxon came and got it? I think so. And Perez was in there.
Either way, I'm just going to crash. I was pretty much on my way downstairs at that point. Oh, man.
So I was just walking out when that happened. I'm like oh boy Yeah, so the Cardinals should have tied it, but a runner was coming around third and he fell. And so at that point, I thought, well, there's no fucking way they lose this game. There's actually karma on their side today.
So We went downstairs and uh didn't see the final three outs 'cause I was Ready to storm the field? Not like upset in college football, but went on as a member of the media and went to the mound. I was on the mound. I was on the fucking mound. As the brewers are celebrating, I got video, I posted that.
And it's really really cool and it was cool to be out there and I was surprised I was able to be out there. And then I was surprised with what I was able to do in the clubhouse. talking to whoever I wanted. I mean Council got on the phone with us. And sturds.
And bronz. They probably thought they were ordering a pizza. Yeah, they probably were hungry. No, so we put and you'll hear that at the end of this um from our post-game show. 10-minute exchange of what happened.
But it was just crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy to be a part of it. It was crazy to get all the text messages from people that saw us on T V. Uh it was crazy to uh Be wanted by the other shows on my own station.
I'm pretending like I exist today. The whole thing was crazy and it was fun and it was just a. It was a really good experience. And the other thing that I did. And I made sure to do And this, see, it's just a playoff clinch, right?
Yeah. But it felt bigger than that for whatever reason last night. And When I got married, oh god. One of the things that we told each other was: during this day, take a moment. to soak it in.
So I took a moment Where I was on the post-game show. And uh I soaked it in. I was the only one sitting in the entire stadium, lights out. It's just me sitting down in the bleachers and the stands or whatever. I'm the only one sitting there just reflecting.
I mean I had a ballpark to myself, it was really cool. And a really great moment.
So that was my time. How about you? It worked, man. That's it. That signed the drowned like a jaded old Sports rider, but I what I did was work.
I didn't really sit and bask in the moment. Um There was a moment I got a little Verclamp just 'cause my The last two Times that they clinched. The thing is, like to this day, I have people that have known me 20 years. that feel compelled. To call me and message me every time they're at the ballpark.
Hey, we're at the game today, come say hi. No, I can't. No, hey, can I come see you in the press box? No, you can't. Are we going the right way?
Yes, we're going the right way. You went to Chicago.
Well, we're not at I-39 yet, so I'm not going north.
Okay. Anyway.
So of course yesterday, you know, there's cameras all over there. The post-game show is live. You know, the T V one, not your little radio thing you do. And uh It's like Every five minutes, whatever, my phone starts buzzing with people. Oh, we see you, we see you.
Oh, can you get us a t-shirt? Oh, wave to it. Come on, man, I'm working. I'm working. But Inevitably, like the last two times, 2008 and 2011, like I'm down there doing work, getting interviews, trying to write my story on my phone.
And my mom would call. Yeah. Someone asked me yesterday, Did you get the call from your mom yet? And I'm like, They're like, Oh god, I forgot. I'm like, Yeah, she passed like 18 months ago.
And then it's one of those moments, like, Aw crap, you know.
So that was, you know, the one like... Non-professional, non-I'm on the clock moment that I have. Other than that, I mean, it's still cool to see. I mean, it's still. You know Something that you don't know is gonna happen very often kind of makes Um going through the grunt of of sitting there through You know, the first 10 days of pitchers and catchers tossing the ball around in Arizona.
Trying to find things to write worth it and the grind of 162 games or 159 in this case. I mean, it's cool, it's cool to see. It's cool to be able to share that moment and it's cool to report on that moment. Like it's cool to give the fans, this is what's going on with the team that you like. This is what's going on.
That that part's cool. Like, I don't. I would prefer not to be drenched in champagne and beer. I would prefer not to have my, you know, recorder or phone fried out from champagne or beer. And 2011, I'm glad this was on the road because 2011.
I was driving home from the stadium after they clinched. I can't remember if it was with the clinched The division, or if it was when they advanced. But I got Pulled over. Turning off Canal Street on the 6th. Because I my blaker was out, or I don't remember what it was.
But the cop was like About to nail me for DUI because I didn't realize just how bad I reeked of champagne and beer. Um for being in there. And you know, I had to end up showing him my press credential and my notebook, and like I pulled my laptop out and my score sheet, and you know, finally he believed me. But yeah, that was one thing that. You know, you kind of don't think about at the moment.
It's like if you're gonna drive home. Be really damn careful. Fortunately, we didn't have to worry about that yesterday. We just walked back to the hyde. When you said that thing about your mom, Uh That's interesting because when we did our show today A lot of the calls ended up being people talking about their parents.
And I didn't expect that. But that w that was one thing too, like I mean I know everyone likes to bitch about Cubs fans, this Cubs fan, whatever. I think all fans are annoying. And, like, when people don't realize this, especially in Wisconsin, all the bitching and gvetching people do about Cubs and Cardinals fans, hey, guess what? The second you put your cheese head on in your green and gold overalls, you have become the Cardinals fans or the Cubs fans of the NFL Green Bay Nation.
You're the same. That's how the rest of the country looks at you. That seems like something you need to get off your chest and not the general direction of the conversation we were having. But it was a little sidebar. But I think When the Cubs made their run to the World Series, Um what was that two thousand sixteen sixteen?
Uh I was listening to Les Kropstein's overnight show. And just listening to these You know, 80 year old, 90 year old said, you know, They worked in Chicago factories, they worked, you know, second shifts, so they went to the Cubs game before work and just. Hearing those guys and gals that have been there the whole time, following that stuff is cool. And being brewers fans, Obviously they haven't had the same Um you know, opportunity to go to the playoffs as other teams in the league.
So it's kinda cool to see that. In fact, we got to the hotel last night. And There was a family, two little kids wearing brewer stuff, getting in the elevator, and like the little kid was just so excited.
So I like to gave them the game notes out of my bag. That's all I really got. You know, I have that in Haas, but. I mean that stuff's cool. What about your Cardinals magnets schedule?
What? You didn't get that? No. Got the magnet schedule.
Well if anybody wants it If you're a Cardinals fan, great Christmas present, 15 bucks. PayPal me. My buddy's got a. Wings go pack at Yahoo. I'll give it to my buddy.
He's got this. Sports memorabilia. Facebook group where they like Auction and raffle off prizes, and most of it's like St. Louis. Themed.
So the going rate's fifteen. Give it to the tenth caller to your podcast. 15 bucks.
So, where are we? Springfield? Springfield, Springfield. It's a hell of a town. Yeah, the uh Schoolyard's up.
Shopping malls down. We just went over Lake Springfield. I didn't see any three-eyed fish. No, anyway. Yeah, when the Cubs won in 2016, I did pull for them.
Because of my father-in-law. You know, the Brewers, there's nobody that grew up a Brewers fan 'cause they haven't been around that long.
Well, I think now I think I mean like an 80 year old though. There's no like eighty year old that grew up. I mean a lot of them are still smarting over the Braves leading. Which I can understand. Yeah, we get a guy that calls every two weeks.
Yeah, it's a real shame I I guess I It's a real shame, uh, that the That the rulers don't retire the number of any matthews. I mean, for what he did in Milwaukee. Yeah, no, but I just don't know. Cause like the the brewers have no but I understand like it's that's why the Milwaukee Braves Wall of Fame is there which I highly recommend people check out if they go to Miller Park. 'Cause it's a huge part of baseball history in Milwaukee.
And I can see why people feel like they should honor Eddie's number. And people think that Hank Aaron's number is retired because of his time with the Rays. I don't think a lot of people realize that Aaron spent his last two seasons playing for the Brews. Yeah, he got his number retired the Wade Boggs style. Did he ride a horse?
All you had to do was play with him. And Boggs is retired by the Rays. Yeah, well, that at the same time, that was, I mean. Aaron wanted to come back to Milwaukee to close out his career. It was like a personal favor to Bud.
Um So I believe they retired it right away, like when he after his last game. I might be wrong. The brewers. There's a we got an issue with retired numbers in the lock. Like, oh, we can turn this into a retired number.
Coast is gonna go all over the place. We got a long ride ahead of us. But I'll I'll save I'll save that until uh Buck season when we can bitch about the stupidity about the bucks retired numbers. No, what's I want to do this? What?
Well, I mean.
So How is Jim Gantner's number not retired? But it is. It is, but not officially. but they wouldn't let Hater have it. Right.
That's why he's 71. Right. But, I mean, it's something you gotta hang it up on the back. Yeah, I agree. Why isn't it retired?
And then, because then. And I talked to someone that used to work in the PR department, it's a good friend of mine, we would have this discussion all the time. It's like, well, if the threshold is hard. Hall of Famers.
Well then Do you put Trevor Hoffman up there? Oh, is that what their threshold is?
Well, that's kind of what, if you look at it, that's kind of what the theme is: like, which players are in the Hall of Fame? That's dumb. Raleigh's in the hall or not Raleigh. Is in the Hall of Fame. Is this number retired?
No, 34 is out there. No, it's your tire. It's okay. I've still got champagne in my brain from last night, but I don't know. I think Jim's number should be retired.
That's he's a franchise icon. And because it is, though, I mean, no one uses it, so it's pretty much retired, so just go all the way and retire it. Yeah, I don't get that. I always said I would retire 52. For CC?
Yeah, I think that's going a little farther. For the impact he had? I think that's going a little far. He had more impact as a brewer than I don't know where I want to go with that. Yeah, be careful.
Ryan Braun should be retired. Could be. That's a ways off yet. I think the the Bucks obviously Marcus Johnson should be retired. The Bucks need to un-retire half of those numbers.
Like I looked it up once. I compared the retired numbers of The Lakers, the Bucks, the Celtics have a ton of them. But it's like They basically retired everyone's number that they got in the Kareem trade and Kareem. You were here for more. I mean, by the rate they're going, they're going to have to retire Ursan's number.
I feel like it's a new number now. Yeah. Yeah, someone asked him about that at Media Data. Was it you? That seems like a question you would ask.
I don't know, I don't remember what his answer was. It was Gary Wolfe lasted. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.
Next question. Um The Packers have They retired unofficially one. for Lambo, but They haven't retired it, just nobody wears it. Number five's retired. for morning But they didn't, it's not actually retired, they don't let anyone wear it.
Sometimes I'll let people wear one and five in the preseason. and then make them change. They made Justin Vogel change a few years ago. From five to whatever the fuck he was, I don't remember, but they made him change so. It's like, if you're going to retire a number, retire a number.
And if you're not, you're not. I don't see what the. Oh, hoopla is around. Just retire it.
So yeah, I I I'll always talk retired numbers. 13s retired by the Miami Heat for Dan Marino.
Okay. That's an interesting one. I thought they retired 23 for Michael Jordan too. The Montreal Canadiens retired, I believe they retired. Um Gary Carter's number.
He passed away. Oh yeah.
So that was pretty cool. Uh are you gonna want me to drive? I can drive at any time. I was gonna wait till we got on the 39, because I know how bad you are with turns and. Signage.
Okay, I just Didn't want to make you drive the whole way. I'm fine.
So we're coming back from St. Louis, as I mentioned. Any other good stories that we need to talk about with that? Uh I did think it was pretty cool. You weren't there for pregame, as usual, typical radio guy.
Uh, there's a giant in the visitors' clubhouse. There's a shit. Yeah. There's a giant Bush beer clog. Hanging up on the wall.
Like, think of the gaudy Bush beer clock you probably had in your college apartment. and then blow it up to the size of like the back of a sound. That's how big this truck was. And we were kind of joking with uh Dan Lorea who runs the brewer's travel operation. about the clock he's like oh yeah it's getting covered up but it's getting covered up if we clinch And Sure as hell, you get in there afterwards and there's like you know, black tarp over the clock and A Miller, the one of those giveaway brewers Miller flags.
hanging right over it.
So that was good product placement. Dan gets a shout out for that. No, that was the flag with everyone's city on it. No, that one's in the hallway. Oh, oh.
This was like the little blue and yellow flag they gave out. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this the whole experience of it where it was like Anything went, man.
I was on the field. It's all about you. Oh, what are all my soldiers to say? All about you. It's like I'm the one that got all these interviews.
And Was on the field and I'm not supposed to say that. That's what we do every day. I guess. It's the job. Yeah, but like people you know what I love about this is that People have decided they don't hate me for like a day.
I've stopped eating. I got a lot of tweets like Wiggler sucks, but that was cool. Most of those are for me. Like eighteen burner accounts.
Well it was cool. I mean I'm glad that You know, I got a guy call up. Hey, you take back everything you said wrong about uh Craig Council and David Stearns. Look. It's a 162 game season.
I'm on the air five days a fucking week. There's ups and downs to the season. I'm gonna talk about those ups and downs. I'd like to hear from all the jackasses who are proclaiming the season over. At the all-star break, and every time they lost a game in the second half, and who were just Ready to run Craig Counsel out of town when he dared give Christian Yellich a day off.
Oh, that was fucking stupid. Oh you must every single day of the week. Shut up. No, I was. Very Uh Adamant does that did not matter.
I'm doing 90, so I'm just gonna, you know. Move over to the right and slow down a touch. Yeah, get your average down. But cops pull you over on average in Illinois. Not actual speed.
Okay. No, but there were times in the season that I thought, I just don't see it. And you ask my opinion, so I give it. I don't know, it just feels like they're not gonna make it. Is that die?
I mean, what am I supposed to do? Otherwise, if I say. Oh, they're gonna make it. No, no, they're gonna make it just wait and see. Like, then that's just being like the easy way out.
Like the Packers right now, they're 1-1-1. Are they going to make the playoffs? No. They might not. They've got a lot of problems.
They've got a lot of holes. They are a terrible team. But if I say that now, and then they finish 10, 5, and 1. Hey, Winkler, remember when you said that they weren't gonna make the playoffs? No, what I said was.
At this time. They have problems that could prevent them from making the playoffs. I mean you Do you not understand how This works. If only there were a way that you could I don't know. Record Your tanks.
for future reference. If only a device existed, a medium. Existed in which you could say. Yeah, but it doesn't matter. People hear what they want to hear.
Oh, yes. Yeah. I'll agree with that. You're not completely. completely incorrect.
I was mad when the Brewers traded Jonathan Villar. Yeah, I know. I was very mad about that. Um I almost brought it up to console. I almost said something last night.
When we arrive There's almost a moment when I'm 'Cause he said you guys always find something to complain about as a joke and I said, I said, It's like uh when you trade I I I did it. Thankfully I didn't. If he would have hit you, I would have laughed so hard. Every time that I like open my mouth around him, he's like, oh fuck. This entire state of Illinois.
Needs to pull over to the side of the road and call a driving school and start over from scratch. I don't think Council's ever been happy to see me. Is anyone? I don't know if it's anger, but there's a lot of There's a lot of straight indifference. Oh fuck.
This fucking guy came down. You spent 162 games basically. Calling the guy an idiot. I n I don't, I'm pro console.
Okay. I I'm pro council. And even if I wasn't You know what I Alright, let's get into this. Portion of the podcast. Where are we at on time?
Not that it matters. I always want to know for reference. The world's largest covered wagon is up at the next exit.
Sometimes people on podcasts go, we're getting late on time. No. If you still want to listen, listen. And if you don't, then turn it off. That's the point of a fucking podcast.
Yeah. Alright, so. There's, I don't ask a lot of questions in these scrums. And I was gonna ask one last night to Craig. But I didn't know if anyone asked it 'cause I came in there late about comparing uh As a manager to a player, did anybody ask that?
I didn't. Did you get in there right away? Yeah. Okay, because I was gonna say You've done it with a group of guys. What's it like?
I was just gonna kinda have him compare it. But I didn't know if anyone asked that.
So I was going to ask a question. That would have been nice of you. But I didn't want to react. I'll think of questions I ask and then somebody asks them. And there's like, there's like 20, let's say there's five to twenty people at every scrum.
You know, there's people that have been covering it longer and they they can ask questions. And then sometimes you try to ask a question in this media thing. And they're like, Oh, what the fuck, this guy's asking a question? One time I asked Craig, everybody turned their microphones off. As I was at like I the microphones were on.
for six minutes. I opened my mouth, and people are like, Fuck, they turn it off. And I said, Craig, this is weird, but we were talking about. Uh you being a coach to your was you got daughters? Doubt or is basketball or some shit.
And we just wanna know like do you The differences between that, between managing and Deep to your daughters, teammates. Parents say, Oh, you're great counsel, or do you have like What are the similarities? And then he started giving a good answer, and everyone's like sheepishly turns their microphone back on, like, I'm not just fucking asking. If I'm gonna ask questions, there's gonna be fucking something behind it.
Well, we all were shocked that you were able to, you know. Speak. coherently. I know, and then if I ever ask a question, I ask a question so little that everyone's like, oh my god. Fuck you, y'all gonna ask a question or not?
Can we ask questions or not? Be better at your job, Barton. That's all. I don't need what everyone else needs. People are looking for specific quotes.
I'm looking for. The most generic fucking quote possible if it's for radio. I just need someone every game to say Yeah, well this was a great game and we look forward to the next series. That's all I need. It's all we need.
Why don't you just write that down on a card and have every player in spring training say it and then you can just refer back to it all year? You know something that I remember from you a lot is when you would uh Always tell. What did you always tell Wicked? I'm just doing my job, just doing your job for you. What'd you always tell him?
Just here to do your show prep or something like that. Yeah. That's the damn thing that drives me up the wall. is like You got these guys that'll sit behind the mic and they'll. pitch about every decision and they'll just you know Sit there, and oh, the damn writers just coddle the manager, and they coddle the players.
They need to ask tougher questions. You guys get credentials. Come on down and ask. Is it enough that we're like writing stories? Because, I mean, we're.
Where did the stories come from in the morning? the damn newspaper, the damn internet. All those updates and whatever. I mean... Come ask.
Just, you know, we're battling here between different mediums.
Well one thing I I that I always do and I think of you because of that is I always credit everyone. I don't think a lot of people get credit. And that's that's. That's the important thing. Like if you're gonna do like the morning report and you're gonna sit there and you know Go to the local paper or go to whatever website and you read the headline, credit where you read the story.
Credit the guy that went out there and did the work that was there and did the interviews and put everything together and did the research and the analysis. I mean, that's important. Like if you were to write Haters velocity Ooh, two by tens. Changes. you know Based on fucking lefties and righties, or something stupid.
If you were to write something like that. And then the next day I came on and I said, You know, Josh Hayter, Chuck, the velocity with Hayter, when it's against lefties, he's throwing blah blah blah, when it's against righties, da da da. And and then I 'cause sometimes people will you guys will write a story and then radio people will present it as their own idea. But I don't do that.
So I'd say, well, Andrew Wagner wrote this great piece. I got into an argument with someone once about it. I'll mention to Twitter people, if you tweet something interesting, I'm not gonna steal ideas. I basically heard my story being read word for word on the air, and I like tweeted at the guy. I'm like, oh, where'd you get that story from?
like maybe wanted to give some credit. And he's like, well, I mean all you did was get that stuff from Fangrass. And I said, well yeah, but I still had to spend an hour going through all the splits and compiling it and doing the research and doing the work that you didn't do.
So, you know. Say where you got it from. It may sound petty, but it's. our work that we're doing. And someone presents your work as their own.
I mean that's that's theft, that's plagiarism, that's Yeah. Dirty pool. Who was the host? Not gonna say it. Whispered to me without saying it.
Don't. Look at me and say it. Don't. Why? Because.
I think you've already told me. I'm not petty. You're so petty, you're like Tom Petty. I never was a big Tom Petty guy, but I was like, you like Ma Petty. Never got into top penny, never understood why he was so great.
You're so petty, you're like Richard Petty. Yeah, okay. Can we move on? You're so petty you're like a manny petty. I do love getting a Manny Petty.
Never had one. God. Mrs. Winks needs to take you for a pedicure. Yeah, no, never had one.
It's awesome. You sit there, they take out like the cheese grater and they shave your heel. Like a belt sand. I need a heel shave. I do need one of those.
Mrs. Winks, take Arthur for a petty. It's awesome. I go once a month, sit back in the massage chair.
Sometimes they bring you booze. They just sit and chill and like they just take your feet to town. every disgusting piece of crud that's growing in there yeah they get rid of it So At the end of the podcast, you'll hear the uh piece that's been playing on the fan. Just the live interviews we got in the locker room. And I got a lot of positive feedback to that, and it's all appreciated.
It was fun. The whole day is still surreal. Everything that I did yesterday is surreal. Mm-hmm. But that was for them clinching a playoff spot.
They can still crunch the division. They could still win a wildcard game, they could still win a divisional series, they could still win the championship series, they could win the World Series. Am I expected to do that now every single time? I don't know, Bart. Because I don't know if I'm going to many games the rest of the year.
Oh. I might go as a fan in that media. That sense, okay. You do you? I think for my job as a sports talk host, It is important and beneficial.
That I experience things from both perspectives.
Okay. Media And the fan. I will never lie about being a fan. I call these teams we. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
But I follow the decorum. I don't Wear brewer's shit in the press box. As I said yesterday, you are what's wrong with this world. I don't. I don't A cheer in the press box.
You got another work email? Yeah, but it's fine, it's just email. You get a radio hit? I might. What time?
I don't know. It's better not to do what I'm doing, mine. No, it's fine. We're fine. Or should we pull over at 250 and pull new radio hands?
We might. It might. What time is it going on? We're fucking great. What are you going at?
SP Nation Radio. Who listens to that? Actually, Matt Pauley did a good job on there. That's awesome. I'll give a shout out to a crosstown rival.
Yeah, I like Manhattan. Should I tell you all the people? that I like. I won't tell you the people I don't like. But I'll tell you other people that I like.
And then you can Choose your own adventure, okay? Who do I like? I think that might be it. Not like you. Ah.
Like you. From not my station, who do I like? I like Eric. Your predecessor, I think, always used to call me the angriest. A year's reporter in Milwaukee.
But I'm like. No. You just annoy me. Yeah. I liked him though.
I like Mike. I get Mike on one of these. Um Who else do I like? I think I covered it. Good story.
That's per I like uh I like everybody that was there at the game. Yeah. Everybody that was there. Cruise, Lance. Kevin, Tusso.
Staff, Mickey. You Sophia. Adam. Tom. I like them all.
They're all They're all good. I like being off in my own little cove yesterday. Not having to talk to other human beings, that was nice. Oh yeah, you said separate than us? Yeah.
Yeah. I like when I show up at games at the Brewers peer is like what the fuck are you doing here? We all look at you that way. I know. That with good reason.
Well, that's good. I think we gave a lot of secrets here. Um Anything else that you think that people should know about? No, you know what? The cool thing yesterday that I saw, this kind of chat my ass earlier this week when JJ was hurt with the neck spasms.
And You know, he's not available, we're watching the broadcast, he's not available tonight, blah, blah, blah. VA had said something like he didn't look well when he came into the clubhouse today. And like everyone on Twitter automatically assumed that JJ had fallen off the wagon or gotten into trouble. And I'm getting texts from people: oh, is he bad kind of stuff? I'm like, really?
Sit and chill. Wait. And then some donkey goes out and finds the fake Ken Rosenthal tweet that says JJ failed the test, whatever. And it turns out it's neck spasms.
So, okay, you go through that, which I thought was kinda lowbrow. Um and then last night Just A river of champagne flying through the air, beer flying everywhere. And you see JJ, who closed the game out. And he's walking through double fisting cans of Grape Phanta, which I thought was cool as hell. And Yo.
put a picture on Twitter and Hearing from people saying, you know, last night I was actually kind of struggling, I was tempted, and I saw that. I'm good for another day. That was pretty cool to see. Yeah, it's all about you, isn't it? That's all about JJ.
What's that about me? You're the one that tweeted it out! You're getting the messages, not JJ. No, he got tagged. He's getting it.
You're getting the same shit as hell. I'm hearing from his agent, you donkey. Are we there yet? That'll be the name of this episode. That's yeah.
You have to do the douchey like podcast and welcome to episode. 4319 of the Winks Things podcast. My guest this week is this jackass riding back from St. Louis with me. and we're going to talk about pooping.
My wife listens to crime podcasts. And some are good. But some are like The guys, the tone. I can't I don't even know if I can capture it. I listen to a lot of like Woodworking and DIY podcasts.
That's like my jam right now. And like a really good one, the making it podcast. Like, I love it. Jimmy Dressed. David Pesciutto and Box Eye.
It's like it's great. It's a lot of like inside the beltway. about making YouTube videos about making stuff. But it's like cool to go into their process and their creative process. Like they're good.
And then you get these other guys. Who are just, they think they're Edward R. Murrow reporting on, you know, how to build the damn shelf. And it's like, okay, just relax a little bit. Relax, palm down.
Don't be so hyper. These guys on these crime ones are like... Episode 5. The awakening. May do that but Melissa Garcia.
came home. Her husband What's there? I think this is my the the thing that annoys me the most about watching like all this like Content creator stuff now is you can put all the money in the world And all the skill and talent in the world into like editing and shooting and recording and like. putting together like a visually appealing product and all the best audio equipment, all the best video equipment. But then You go on and you speak.
And sentences are either rushed or mumbled together, or there's like this ridiculously pointless cadence to it. Just the cadence. If you can't take the time to speak, like. The voice is the most important part of all this. Like, yeah, it's important to see what's going on.
But if you're trying to explain to people watching what's going on, And you can't do it right. It's gonna be awful, but again, that's coming from our background, so I'm a little nerdy about that stuff. Yeah. Melissa Garcia was actually killed with the shards of glass from their bedroom mirror. Random pauses and random inflections.
And then Bet she didn't see that coming. That's how it goes. That's just bad. That's just bad. Are we there yet?
We haven't even made the turn north. Yeah. Alright, uh so we're gonna hear the uh interviews that I did because B Played four times, I believe, on the fan today.
So what's one more? And no, it's good. It's it's fun. It takes you inside the clubhouse. Uh what it's like.
Uh and it even got a compliment from The legendary Bill Michaels. Am I going to have to listen to these interviews, or are just the poor listeners going to have to suffer through it? No, we're done. I'm done with you. Good.
And then you can stick around for the good stuff. Uh after sitting through Andrew Wagner. Thanks, buddy. We should do this more often. Yeah, well, we'll see about that.
Well, the d the talking part, not the driving part. That's pretty awful. Like the friend part? Let's not use that word. We're we're teetering dangerously close to what I like to call The feeling zone and I Ha ha ha.
I have no desire to venture into that universe with you or anybody. Ooh, the Grain Elevator Museum.
Now it's time to wrap it up.
