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All right, before I start. I want to Really take Chuck Freeman back to when we used to do shows right before we hit on the air. I hated that. I hated it too. Good morning, everybody.
Chuck Freeman, my white whale. Yeah.
Well, I saw somebody have me in the background on one of your videos today.
Somebody tweeted it at me, or no, a buddy of mine messaged it, buddy Mike messaged it to me, and he said. Your picture's on the back of Somebody who's on Bart Show.
Well, hot take Jake. Um It's been really Telling me, get over it. You got to get over it, Chuck. He's never coming on the show. Get over it.
And I said, No, Free, we'll do a show together at some point. And we have locked on Brewers. Dropped on Monday. This is the Wednesday show. Lockdown Brewers.
I was on with Chuck. And in our relationship, it's a pure. Alpha move that you put yours out first as the alpha you are. I don't even like. I'm on the video stream here.
I don't even like being on this side of you. I think I need to be over here.
Okay.
Well, do you want to go? No, I'm hosting. I'll I'll go over here. But it's Chuck and Winkler. That's when our show was doomed.
When we said it was Chucky Winkler? Yeah, it should have been Chuck and Bart. Oh, we've never Oh, we didn't do anything to doom it. It's not like we screwed up. No, they wanted a Chuck and Winkler because it sounded like Chuck and Wicket and they were trying to confuse people.
Yeah, I would have been good with Chuck and Barton. I didn't. I thought it was odd that I used my first name and used your last name. Yeah, and nobody ever calls me Winkler in my life. And a lot of people call me Freedoms or Freeman.
Yeah, it should have been freemes and this dip shit. Hey, you could swear on this? You can't do that. That's right. I forgot to give you that disclaimer on Lockdown Brewers.
You weren't supposed to swear. I wore my respectable hat on Locked On Brewers. You did.
Now you're letting your hair down. Yeah.
Chuck Freeman joins. Me on the show, this is actually so. This is dropping. I see you got the podcast lingo down. We're live, you're coming up.
August sixteenth, twenty twenty, and people may remember. that on August 16th, 2022. WSSP switched from local sports talk to CBS Sports Talk. Which For me, it's been great.
Okay.
Yeah, but you're just filling in on CBS. Yeah, but I'm getting CBS money, I'm getting podcast money. I wish the station would have gone away a lot sooner if I was going to get CBS shifts. Wait a second. I didn't know you were.
Yeah.
But this is news to me. Why? Why don't you dump it on WSSP? I'm not dumping on WSSP. I'm in that building four times a week.
I'll tell you what, I don't miss getting up early in the morning. No. I don't miss that at all. And um Yeah. I mean, it's kind of fun being an independent guy, isn't it?
doing your own thing. Um it is But There's pros and cons to it. The cons are being like, you never know when you're getting paid. Mm-hmm. And uh You don't have a 401k.
And if your wife loses her job, you're like screwed for health insurance. Oh, yeah, that's true. And you're like. Are you really carrying the weight of being the patriarch to your family when you're just in your podcast? Bitching all day.
If you're Joe Rogan, you are. I mean, that guy, if you're him. you're making money yeah yeah and i could always pivot to that realm if i yeah Really get desperate, but obviously, you're doing better in this. Did he do it at WSSP?
Well, I'll tell you what I like about this. What I like about this Is If you are listening to the Bart Winkler Show. You like me.
Some people might hate listening a little bit, like, okay. You know, sometimes there's all these wrestling Twitter accounts. Which I just hate the people that do them. And then when I like a good wrestling match, I always rush to, I don't know, there's that weird thing where you do, but this is nice because. The people that like me, they hop on.
We become friends. I'm doing a big tailgate next week. If you want to stop by before the Brewer game, feel free. I don't know if you're covering or not. But we're doing a big kick.
This is a nice place where. Not that I like You know, I'm not saying that I don't have thick skin. I'm just saying it's nice. To be somewhere and talk with people that like just wanna talk and have fun. You post something about us being on lockdown brewers together, and people I haven't heard from for three years are like, Oh this guy show was better when Wicket was there.
Winkler killed SSP. It's like I don't need that in my life, you know what I mean? I even looked at it. Uh is that what people were saying? A lot of people were very pro.
I thought people were excited about it. That's what we're doing this. There's like there's like a Venn diagram. Um 90% of the people that have heard us together, I think, like it. Then there might be 5% that are like, I like Bart, but I don't really like Chuck.
And then there's five and then there's like 5% on the other side. They're like, I love Chuck and I fucking want Bart to die, a horrible death in front of his family. Like it is the people man.
Some of your people, those are the people you got to lock your doors on. But those are the people that like you the most. Yeah.
The more you like Freemes, the more you hate Bart. Yeah.
So, nobody likes us.
Well, people like us together. I mean, I, you know what, Tom Parker. A great program director. Best program director I ever worked for. He's great.
Said one time, you know what? I don't program. the radio station, the audience tells me what to do. And the audience says Chuck and Winkler. or chuck and wicket or whatever.
I mean, they they program. You know, the audience tells you. what to do the the program director's got an easy job he just listens to the audience Listen to the advertisers. Those are the guys. You know, the audience is what programs the radio.
So he's so right. They tell you. No. You would think. With all the reaction that you and I get, you know, when somebody says, Well, boy, Chuck and Winkler, maybe we got to.
Truff. Maybe I'll put those guys on the air. Make some money here. Everybody wins.
Okay, let's start there. Does that mean that we think higher of ourselves than Then, like, because I, yes, you and I coming back on the air would be. Great, but Nobody else thinks that, I guess.
Well. You know, these guys who are bosses got to coach their team, and as coaches and general managers of their team. They don't feel like we can crack the roster, so there's nothing we can do about it. We could bad mouth them and do whatever we want, but I mean, that's not going to get us anywhere. Yeah, we both love to be on the radio.
doing a show but What can I do? There's nothing I can do about it. There's nothing you can do about it. But I'm just saying that the audience. Knows the audience knows Chuck and Winkler, why two guys from Wisconsin love their sports teams, passionate about had a great run.
Got Not bad ratings there and made you know, we've made the stations of money. I'm just saying. Do you like There's a couple of things that I think of when I reflect on my time at SSP. And then my time. with you.
I think that We got to a really good point. where we like figured it out. I'm surprised the leash was long enough to let us get there. Because there were some days I thought I should have been fired for how I treated you.
Well, because you wanted to fight me a couple of times. I kicked the door in and said, today's the day. Is that what you said? I said, today's the day. Let's do it.
Today's the day. And then when I said that, When I said that, I like looked at you and I'm like. man this guy could beat me in one bunch well then we both would have been gone Okay. But um Yeah. Yeah, but if they were looking for a reason to get rid of you.
They would have done it, but they didn't.
So I'm just surprised. The leash was very long. I had a long leash, which I was surprised about.
Well, I know, and I had to put up with some of that, you know. I know you did. It was tough sometimes. It was. It was tough.
I was like, man, I don't know. Yeah, sometimes I don't know. Mm-hmm. So if we could go back, cause I think if we did a show again. It'd be smooth sailing.
Think so? I really do. Thanks all. Maybe that's the reason why. Nobody wants to put us in a tank team out of here.
They think we're going to beat the crap out of each other. No, I wouldn't like I wouldn't say I think that we both I don't know, because I was coming You getting me. As I was trying to break through. Was not what that like that was unfair to you. Like that, that you shouldn't have you should have been getting me as I was like.
Established. Because then I'm barking at people, and you're like, I don't want to answer for this. You know, people are like, what's up with this Winkler guy? You don't have to answer for that. That's me.
Well, I remember when I told you like early on, I said, Bart, this is maybe we should do something like this. And you go, you know what? And you said, the old winkler smile: you know, I don't like anybody telling me what to do. That's true. Oh boy, you know.
That's true. What was the first year, 2015, you and I? I started in 2014, 2015, I came out as a producer. 2016, Wicket left.
So 2016. I still remember. I was on the Zoom interchange when you called me, and you were working in Fodilac, and you called me up and said. Dude, can you get me in at WSSP? All right.
And I thought I just emailed you. Yeah, called, we talked on the phone. I was driving back from the radio station at the time. And um You know, they know they, you know, they like, they like, you know, your stuff, you know, of course. And, and, Then I was on, I remember when I was on the golf course.
And Tom called me up and said, Hey, I'm thinking about making with Mike leaving for Kansas City, that it was going to be you and I. And I was like, oh boy, you know, how's that going to be? Yeah, we had some rocky times. We did. Remember, there's one time we had in a fight so bad, and then I went to the Sendix, and then you were there.
I saw you. I went to pull into the Centics.
Okay.
By the stage. You had just gotten out of your car, and I'm like, I guess I can't go to the Sendix today, so I drove in with Jack O'Bell. And then I rode over Taco Bell. That's the only time you and I ever seen each other out of work is over at Taco Bell. I'd be ever shared a hotel room together.
In Atlanta, but you didn't stay in the room that night. No, it was bad. Then we had the other bed. We couldn't even sleep next to each other in different beds. Yeah.
Even though there was like a draw curtain, wasn't there? Like a hospital room? Like we made it our own rooms. I mean, you and I. But you would never hug me.
I think this song goes back to you would never hug me.
Well, I never knew where your hands were. That's the problem. I didn't know where you put your hands. I mean, you were. Eating food.
Chicken wings on a toilet, and I didn't know if you washed your hands.
Sometimes you go to the bathroom, be back so quick. I didn't know. Yeah.
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Terms and conditions apply. Need to hire? You need indeed. I. I don't regret like throwing grenades at other like people.
Like I was trying to, you know, I'm trying to make a mark here. I'm on the radio for a year, and I see my uncle, and he goes, Man, there's this radio station that I love. I go I get all my Packer stuff there. He lives in Maine. He's like, yeah, Jason Wildie.
I'm like, listen to me, dude.
So everything that well, Willie, I don't really even know Willie. But I'm throwing bombs at Wildie. I'm throwing bombs at. Whoever I can. And I told you, don't do that.
Remember that?
Well, and now I don't have a job.
So.
Well Jason Woolley came up to me one day and said, dude. Your partner. What's going on there? I don't even know who this is.
Well, I want to I need to reach out to Jason because I want to have him on because I I think he might deserve an apology. I think he might. I like Jason. I don't know him. You know, he went to my high school.
I knew him when he was much younger. Because he was a friend of a Younger brother. a friend of mine and uh Yeah, I just I've always liked them. I've always had no problem. I don't really have any problem with anybody.
Well, I'm trying to have infrastructure week where I'm rebuilding roads. I did. I was thinking about doing that. I was going to call it Building the Bridge. Yeah.
Oh, another good one.
So, who is um? You know, one stone at a time. Who's been on your But Dario was on there, right? You guys really are. Mario is part of Infrastructure Week.
We're friends again. I mean, you're on his TV show. Yes, I am. You're on his TV show. And then people are tweeting at WISN, like, Some guy went on this rager.
When I was on channel 12 last time, about. How I can't be on there because I said. Because I am anti-Christmas and I said fuck Christmas.
So, what had happened once was people were bitching on Twitter. And I said, Can you guys all shut up about this? It's fucking Christmas. And this guy was this guy has taken that. And every time I get like a modicum of success, He'll tweet the people and be like, Do you know this guy hates Christmas?
Jesus. But you know what? I bet she's out there watching. No, I don't know. I think that guy actually does hate me pretty good.
Yeah, but I bet maybe he hate watches. Yeah, maybe.
So, so Dario's been on there. Who else? Who's been on your as far as infrastructure week? It's still been pretty light. Is this infrastructure?
No. I wouldn't call this infrastructure week. At one time it might have been. Infrastructure Week was like. The Tuesday after a Monday where we fought.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Seth Everett's been on. That's Everett Tuesday. Seth Everett. Seth Everett, okay. Remember, I always made one of him, and I told him he was a part of Infrastructure Week.
He's like, I didn't know you didn't like me. How about Bill Michaels? Bill has not been on. I would love to have Bill on.
Okay, you guys got a few. Fences the mend. Bill might be the toughest one to mend fences with. There was an instance post him being. there that really escalated things.
Okay.
When uh I tweeted out a picture. I don't want to Basically, I tweeted out a picture of like a birthday cake where he said, How are we looking? I said something about cults. I don't even know, but. Then he started texting my bosses, even though he didn't work there anymore.
It was all weird.
So then we blocked each other, and then we haven't talked since.
Well, you know, I like Bill. Bill and I are friends. I know you guys didn't. See I die. But Bill, I I go I'm on Bill's show on Thursdays.
1230. I would love to go on. I would love to. I would love to build a bridge with Bill. I enjoy being on Bill's show.
I like Bill. I like him off the air. I like him on the air. I say, Bill, when people ask me what. What state, what show around here can I get that's going to be as much sports as possible?
I say, Bill. Bill saved the box.
Well Yeah, I think we all kind of did. Yeah, I think, yeah. I think our our whole station twelve fifty did. Sparky included.
Well, I did do a lockdown. No, not lockdown. I did do a Save Our Bucks show. One time with Paul Henning, and then the week after they were saved.
So I take credit too.
Well, then there you go. You're part of it too.
So, yeah, Bill, I told this to Bill last week too. I said, Bill, I mean, I love listening to the sports talk. You know, I just think that people love sports talk. They want to hear about our teams after a loss or a win. And I think we did a lot of it.
Yeah, we had some fun and all that, but we talk about the teams after the game and we're because we're fans, we're watching the game every night. I still think there's a place for that. There is a place for that. And there's a place for messing, you know, messing around, but I mean, you know. But Still got to be talking about some sports.
Still got to be talking about our sports teams, too. Mething around is great. I think like The context needs to be sports, though. Yeah.
You can't like I went into so on yesterday's show, let's just say. Uh I talked to good buddy Evan Heffelfinger.
Okay.
So you're following him. Mm-hmm. But I had him on to talk Brewer Stadium and like some Packers stuff. But as we were talking, he's like, I might get engaged at some point.
So we were talking about that a little bit. But we didn't we didn't open the mic and say Let's do 30 minutes of guy talk on engagements. But it happened. It's just kidding. And when it happens, it's fine.
But when you make it the thing, Like whenever you're doing, I think whenever you're doing something on a sports talk radio station, whenever you're doing something that's not sports. You can go down that road a little bit, but you should always be driving and looking for the u-turn of... How do we get back to sports? Yeah.
And sometimes you can, sometimes you got to do it quickly.
Sometimes you can take a 10-minute drive. This is fun. This is fun. But I still know I need to get back to sports at some point. And I don't think that happens enough.
I think you have to listen to two guys or one guy on the radio and think. That guy. Is following my team and he loves his team just like he's getting might be negative toward this team once in a while, but he loves his team just as much as. As I do, that guy, you gotta feel Milwaukee. And I feel like, you know.
I don't want to blow our own horns, but I think we did a lot of that. I think people ever has had a better pulse on what Milwaukee was talking about. Exactly.
Well, we didn't say we need so much Packers today, so much whatever. You just talked about what people were talking about. Yeah.
And I think we did a good job of that. Yeah, and I think that's important. And I think that's why it drew. Yeah.
Do you think we'd still be here? We'd still be on the air if it wasn't for COVID. Do you think COVID Or do you think that 1250 was Destiny die. Um that's a good question. You haven't talked about that?
Huh? You never talked about that here on the podcast? Oh, we talk way too much about 1250 being blocked. Oh yeah. But never that?
Well, sometimes I just record the podcast at 12:50, which is kind of weird if you think about it. If Tom Parker would have stayed, had not retired. Because we're flying good. You think that would have stayed?
Now, I think we were heard on because it was 105, 107. 1057. That signal couldn't be heard in a lot of different places. And that wasn't really, that was corporate's fault, if anything. But yeah, I just think.
Well, I think our signal was bad. And then once other places came in with bigger signals. but we still had pretty good content.
Well, I agree, but the ratings were all the same. The biggest problem I have with um with how people view The demise was that They think, like, the ratings were like, someone had a 30, and the other people had a 20, and then we had a two. We all had like a three. We're all fighting over the same little piece of the pie. You said fighting for the class ratings that people see.
We're all fighting for the same scraps.
Okay.
So That there was it was not a ratings thing. This was way levels that we couldn't. The thing that pisses me off is how many people thought Well, it's about time. They talked too much sports. If you're like you're off the air, you always are preaching at us.
That's fine, I was. Good riddance, Bart, you stupid lib. I mean, I didn't really talk politics a lot. I did want people to wear a mask and get vaccinated so that we could get back to sports. That's where my whole thing was there.
And we have nothing to talk about.
Sorry.
Sorry that I, you know. Listen to the health people. I'll say this. You predicted the whole COVID thing. I did.
I'll I'll and this was like in January. And I thought you were. Wicked had me on his pod. He said, What will end the Bucs season? I said, Because I saw this video.
No, it was after. No, it was after the All-Star game. We went to the All-Star game. And we all got COVID there. I felt like shit for a week after that all-star game.
You did? February in Chicago. We were cramped in that room. Everybody from around the world's there giving each other COVID. That was like the last major sporting event, right?
Yeah, before.
So I felt awful that whole week. And then Um Like the end of February, I saw these videos where people were being dragged out of their house in China. And it was like a virus. Like, I'm like, there's no way to stop this. At some point, it will reach here.
Then it reached Italy. I'm like, oh, we're fucked. Why this is going to cancel the rest of the basketball season? I'm like, what? Yeah, you said, no, it won't.
We're America. Nothing will stop America.
Well, that's what I thought. I was like, Jesus Christ. Why? You basically told COVID to try that in a small town. And then it did.
No, no. But who thought? Come on. Who thought?
Now, looking back. That shouldn't have shut down the world. People were dying. Colby's still up, or we're still going to the stadiums, aren't we?
Well, yeah, we got tired of it.
Well, we should have been smarter back then. Dr. Smith almost died. You remember this though? Oh, we're never going to be able to go back in the stadiums without wearing a mask.
We're not going to be able to go down at the concerts down to the front row and gather all together and see REO and stuff like this. At least I said that. A year later, two years later, here we are. Like it never could happen. It never happened.
It cost us millions of dollars, cost a lot of us our jobs.
Some of you guys didn't even want to go back to work again or haven't. I haven't.
Well, you didn't lose your job because of COVID.
So, where do you work, Chuck? Do you work at KFIZ only? All right. I do the Lockdown Drewers Podcast. AP radio.
I do their overnight sports k uh which are aired in early morning. I do their Early morning sports casts, which are taped late at night. Yeah.
Um I do football Friday night from Learfield. And uh Yeah, KFIZ. Yeah, that would make four. Yeah, KFIZ.
So I'm just doing like four different things. But that's starting to be. I'm not on 97.3 anymore. Yeah.
Well they used you as a headline, but well My order. Our show is still on AM 920. Um I thought it was going to be on. I was. kind of given the impression that that was going to be a thing.
But why have you pulling on a morning show when we can grab some Randall from Cleveland? Honestly. They air my uh Football Friday Night Show, so Okay.
So, but I have nothing I mean, you know what, again. I d not that I agree with it, but What am I going to do about it? I can't do it. What am I going to do? Start trashing people here.
I can't do that. No, don't work. Don't do that. Don't work. No, it might make you feel good, but then you're making up deleting tweets.
No, I mean, I think people know. I mean, again, the audience knows. I mean, people know who should be on the air and who shouldn't be on the air. I know. Yeah.
That's, I mean, you know.
Okay.
Brian though. Who? What? Yep.
So, yeah, I'm doing those things. I'm not on 97.3. I'm not even filling in over there. I'm just. Did you start KFIZ yet?
So KFIZ is great because Chuck Freeman. Call the games on the radio station in the town I grew up in. For my friends in playing basketball and football. And so we were at the. We were at the same place a lot before we even ever met.
KFIZ is in Fodilac, the radio station, for people who don't know. And yeah, I do a half-hour show there, just a local sports show, in addition. And then do a couple of morning sports chaos for them. I've always enjoyed it. I mean, I like that.
I like the people at the radio station. I like them. I trust them. And, um That's all you need. You got to make sure you trust people these days.
And if you find somebody you could trust. They're gold. AP Radio, I've been doing that for 40 years. Trust the guy who was the sports director there, like gold. Always thought highly of me.
I'm obviously one of their better sportscasters. I'm doing the national stuff. And locked on brewers, they've been great to me as well.
So, yeah, I've really enjoyed it. But it just didn't work out for me at 97.3. And I was doing morning sports casts and on WIBA and Madison. I love being out with them there. But they made a budget cutback that now, Doug Russell.
Uh tapes their over sports casts overnight and they just air them so they don't have a live sportscaster in the morning.
So that's that went away too.
So But What am I going to do? If they're making budget cuts, they're slashing. They want to allocate money. They own the radio station. They run the radio station.
There's nothing we can do about it. We just, all we want to do is sit down in front of a mic and talk sports, but now we have to turn into these entrepreneurs and like work at nine different places. But you know what? That's not the bad thing anymore because all those sponsors. that I could have brought to these to the radio station.
In Milwaukee, You know, and you too.
Well, you know, they I'll just bring them to my podcast.
Well, and this is a good time to mention happyplacehemp.com because they sell CBD products and they couldn't break through. The Odyssey Force field. They wanted to advertise on our show forever. And they weren't allowed to. And then I had a podcast.
They were the first guys. that jumped over with me. I don't know that I'm still doing it without their support. And without the support of people that are buying the CBD products, gummies. Tinctures, balms.
I'm going to take a CBD-CBN one tonight to go to bed earlier. Otherwise, I'm going to think about. That we actually did this, and it's going to keep me up at night.
So I'll need something to help me with that. Happy PlayStation. Chuck, the promo code is Bart. 25% off every order. HappyPlaceemp.com.
Okay.
Okay, is this a and we're on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream? Uh, what's that? Dan Shaney is an insurance agent.
Okay.
Oh, okay. I thought it was somebody who was connected with us.
Okay.
Oh, very good. See, yeah, those sponsors that you're bringing in, Bart. That money is going. Directly via all your fees on StreamYard. Yes.
StreamYard fee, the tailgate fee. Yeah.
The Adobe Audition Fee. This microphone. It's fun. It's great because if the radio station doesn't want to cut of my sponsors, I'll just take it all myself then. And that's the beauty about the podcast.
That's what the beauty of doing these. You do one, I do one. Let's keep the money for ourselves. They don't want to make any money. That's all right.
One thing I said on your uh lockdown brewers was I do feel like we trust each other, but we don't trust ourselves that we should trust the other person.
Well, you. You came on my podcast first, Lockdown Brewers, which dropped on Monday night. And you weren't confident that I was going to come on your show thereafter. I mean, I I didn't even want to say it, but I just felt like I had to say it.
Well, initially, I'll be honest, I didn't. And people asked me for a long time, why haven't I come on your podcast? Because you've buried, you know, you've buried 97. The game. You know, you've and I'm not saying.
You know, you got to do what you got to do. But, you know, I got to work. I had to work with those guys every day or every other day or fill in and all that. You know, I'm so. If I'm going on a podcast and you're like burying these guys, it's like I'm not going to bury them when I'm talking to you.
Yeah, but you bury them. Yeah.
All the other types, if you who knows, but well, now they're going to listen and be like, Look at these two losers that we kicked. They're going to be like, No, I haven't buried them at all, and you haven't buried them. I mean, not in this show at least. No, I did make a crack about how they. Found this guy in Cleveland to fill in for Zabe instead of having you do it.
Jen, you know, my words. I keep the revenue. I'll just take it over to my podcast. Words I hey. You know, I um I enjoyed filling in over there.
I had hoped that I was going to. Land a regular spot. For whatever reason, it didn't happen. I don't know. Do you want to do a five for frames?
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely. I think I only have four questions. I'm having more fun doing this than every show I ever did with Yanair. And I think that would carry over. Vicar, you join us.
I am. I, we would do better now because I am in a I would do better. Yeah, but then you'd get around me again and I'd get you into your old bad habits. No, I think the problem was. I was chasing for like respect.
from you. Which now I just don't care if I have or not. I never looked at it that way.
Well, you said this one thing about you never go to games. And I was like, what the fuck are we doing? No, no, no, no, no. I, because I was the sports director there, I needed someone to help me cover. How do you have a sports director at a sports station?
Well, you know, coverage. You wanted me to work for free? Oh, that's part of our gig. No, it wasn't. I never signed a contract that said.
If Chuck wants you to Fill in a brewers game on a Friday night and get an AP sound, go do it. That AP sound. I'm just talking about brewers stuff. In general.
So we could use it on our Saturday morning fucking sportscast.
Okay.
All right. Well. Um I don't even. I can't even remember what we're talking about just now. Oh, the sports director thing.
Yeah, I don't know. I just covered the games, and I know I never. I never doubted that she didn't watch games. You didn't go to games with me. You know, but you w I know you watch the games at home.
I never thought you were unprepared. I'll say that. Wicked either.
Now, Wicked may have come in some of those early days, you know. Three sheets to the win. But still, I knew that he followed on that legend. And the same thing with you. I mean, I know, I knew you, and I follow you on Twitter.
I know you're watching all these stuff. I see you tweet it out. But I like that. I like a guy. I know when you talk about respect, I respect the guy.
Who watches and follows and covers it? And I know you're all over this Packer thing with Jordan Love and all that. I follow it. And yeah, I've seen your podcast and watch them. No, I definitely respect that.
And I said that on my Brewer podcast. I said there's only one guy, you know, another guy who follows the team as much as I do. And that's my next guest, Bart Winkler. Absolutely. Never took that away from you.
And then I proceed to tell you: I didn't watch any of the White Sox series, and I probably won't watch this Dodgers one. I don't really believe that. I think that was just your gimmick. I didn't see the White Sox games. I didn't see them.
Well, you're watching the Packer game on Friday night. Yeah.
Saturday I was doing I do PA work at Forward Madison.
Okay.
So I do like Fans, are you looking for fun, low-key, or turnkey entertainment? Sign up for season tickets at Forward Madison.
So you're in Madison doing that? I drive there like three times a month.
Okay, all right. And then, okay, but it's like. You're not You didn't watch the brewers this past weekend because you were at home and then just didn't want to watch them. They're on and I'm home. I'm watching them.
Yeah, but you had other stuff going on.
So that's that's that's. That's different. I mean, it's not like you were the brewers around and you were watching Leave with the Beaver or something like that.
Well, sometimes I do watch Marvel movies, dude. The guy I saw, Chuck, I saw, I told the people on this podcast, I saw a guy that looked just like you. Yeah, he texted me about it the other day. What was that about? He was walking down the street because you've been in my neighborhood before.
I went to the library in your neighborhood. Yeah.
And and so I didn't think it was out of the realm of possibility that you'd be, and you were dressed. This person was dressed like you, exactly like you, covering a game with a blue button up and.
Okay.
He had your hair and he's wearing glasses.
Now, the backpack was a little different. He was wearing a different kind of backpack. That's not Chuck's satchel. That's a backpack. Yeah.
And then I went to him and I said, What are you doing here? I thought it was you.
So he took off his glasses, then I realized it wasn't you, but he reacted like you would. Like startup, like, oh, you think it's someone else? It's like, Jesus Christ, how who is this guy?
So he didn't say, oh, did he know who you were? No. So you didn't say, oh, I thought you were. Chuck Freeman. I didn't, I didn't.
I was with my kid and it was weird. All right, so you just, that's what I said. You should have got a selfie with the guy. If this guy this guy was I don't know. I don't know.
This wasn't the kind of guy who's going to ask for a selfie. No offense. When we go out once in a while, we see a lot of guys who look like Bart. I think I texted you a picture of Bart.
Okay, there's people that look like me, fatties with red beards.
Okay, fine. This guy looked like you. Did he?
Well, this guy I I saw a guy in the in the bar I think I I took a, you know, I did one of those creepy. I took a picture of a guy and I sent it to you. You know, you know, if he, if he would have known I was taking a picture of me, dude, what are you doing, taking a picture of me? And I would explain to him. But.
Yeah, this guy looked in in a fodder-like bar on top of it. I was like, wow. That's definitely you. It wasn't you. Let me try to find StreamYard's got these musics that I can use.
Uh Let me try to find a music for five for free. Because I can't play NFL films or I'll get kicked off YouTube. Really? Yeah, copyright.
So, how would they know? Is someone monitoring? We can detect if you use music or not. They can. Yeah, they don't have like a person listening through all the shows.
I always thought you never used to be able to swear on YouTube. I mean, you dropped at least 15 F-bombs so far.
So I guess that's. Are you as worried about AI taking over the world as I am? Who? Ellen Iverson? No.
Okay.
I should have known that was, I should have known. I could have scripted that. Artificial intelligence. I was going to tell you the other day. At Mayville High School, there is a A robot, a buddy of mine.
Lost his job. He used to, well, I mean, it was just one of the things he was doing as a part-time. I'm up. Putting the markers on the football field. There's a robot that they bought for $50,000 who took his place and does the lines on the field.
So he doesn't have to do it anymore. Imagine being replaced by a robot. You come in and say, oh, you know, we're going to have this robot. That's going to put the lines on the field. That's not a $50,000 job.
I know what it is. Yeah.
Here's 15 years, so 21 years. We're all going to be working for robots. I don't know why anybody's afraid of this. You can't even get guidance of the line of high school football field anymore.
Well, home plate. Pretty soon we're going to have home play, don't play with that. That's awful. That's going to be, yeah, that's going to be bad. But these umpires are terrible.
These guys are blown. I mean, these guys are blowing. I think there should be human air for umpires, but. These um these umpires are like the way these guys umpire it's like They're actually robots that were designed to. Be as bad as possible so that we would accept robots coming in.
Like they're getting paid by big robots. It's almost, I almost want to believe that. That's almost true because I feel like home, I feel like. Umpiring home plate, first base, base calls. It's as bad as it's ever been.
I feel like some of these guys, like, okay, they'll make the call. Because it's marginal, all are safe. And if the guy's going to overturn it, he's going to overturn it. But I don't think there's any. Anyway, these guys feel like they want to even get it right on a close play.
They don't care. They know they're going to be replaced, that's why. Can you hear this? Yes. You're not gonna have to pay any revenue because of this, are you?
No, this is StreamYard. I pay for the fee.
Okay.
Do we like this music? Yeah, it's fine. StreamYard's great. I like it because I used it for my Lock Down Brewers podcast. It's dummy proof.
I like as many as proof as possible. Make it as easy for me as possible. And Streamier does that. I love it. You always say: make it as easy as possible on the consumer.
You're right. You were listening to me back in the day. Yeah.
Alright, five for frames.
Okay.
Question number one. Who would you put? On the WSSP Mount Rushmore. Yeah.
WSSP Mount Rushmore. Yeah, all fifteen, sixteen years. Bill's got to be up there.
Now why do you say that? Middays, did it for 10 years? Staples. No, he was there from 2011. Through 2021, wasn't he?
10 years.
Well, I agree. I put Bill on mine. Bill. Bill Bill Bill did raise the Profile of the station when he joined. And he took us into new markets.
Sparky. Absolutely. Sparky's the building block, was there from day one, worked his ass off. was on 50,000 different shows. Yes, still there.
And I like Sparky. I've always liked him, and I know, you know. He could say some wild things on the radio. I always thought Sparky was great by himself on the radio. Just without a partner, Sparky's mid-day man at Sparky is.
Yeah, I like Sparky. I like him on the air and I like him off the air. Oh green. Uh sparky. Uh Well I mean who Those final two.
I don't want to put me on there. You're definitely not. I don't want to put me on there. I don't want to put our show on there. No, I'm not.
On there, by the way, if you're on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream. I did put up our WSS, our WBA award. That is ours.
Okay.
You said you were going to get me a copy of that. They never did. You just kind of took the award. I did. Well, I went to the ceremony.
Yeah.
That's our award. Yep.
First place, best show. I got three of them back here. Yeah.
I got a shitload of third-place ones for a contest that had maximum two entries. You mean these? Oh, I got a whole box of those. Should I go through them? Maybe later.
Yeah.
So those two for sure. Do I need to finish this list for you? Yeah, who would you say? And I'll tell you if it's. Uh Gary Ellerson.
Was there for the pretty much entire run.
Okay, yeah. He brought the former Packer Badger requirement before we ever dipped into the Leroy waters.
Okay.
And he's on Bill's post-game show as well for all those years. Yeah.
Four Packer? Sure. And then I would put, I use the fourth spot for Tim Allen. Oh, absolutely. Oh.
Yes. Those Tim Allen for sure, Sparky for sure, Bill Michaels for sure. The fourth one, you could put Ellerson. Nobody prior to 2009 No, they were all asbens. You know, because they brought national people here who tried to act local.
Local sports and like the Peter Browns, and they didn't care. They just were happy for paid. They just overpaid guys back then. Too bad no one turned their lesson not to do that, but yeah, yeah. Um But Yeah, I'd say though, I'll go with those four.
Sure. Definitely. Who are the worst four people to ever work there? Oh, come on. Just kidding.
Just kidding. Can you tell me? No. Nah, there was one kid that just talked all the time. It was like every conversation with him was an audition.
This intern that you hired. I don't remember his name. You mean he talked to you off the air? He'd be like, he'd be like, see him in the hall and be like, hey, Bart, what's up? Hey, man.
Instead, he'd be like, hey, did Dez catch it? Do you think that was a dead? Here's why Dez caught it. Here's what I liked. I th I liked...
I like Pretty much, yeah. I liked everybody at WSSP. I can't say. I can't say that about every radio station I worked for. But I liked all those guys.
I did. I liked. I liked him. I liked our boss. I liked it.
I enjoyed it. I like Tom Parker, our boss. I just... I don't really Nobody I disliked, you know, I... No, I can't say.
No. Well that's Robbie I know Robbie has tried to bury me a few times, but I think Oh, Rami likes you. Yeah.
That leads to question number two, five for frames. If you could go back in time. and work for one year back in their past. What what what year of your career would you like to relive? 1992.
Wow, quick answer. Yeah, I was working at Wax Radio in Eau Claire. And I was anchoring sports. I was covering high school sports. I was coming down and covering brewer games.
Just anchoring the sports cast on WAX Radio, the country station, and the news talk station, WAYY. I loved it. I loved it. I ended up leaving there after a year. I wish I would have stayed longer because I love Dauclair.
Still do. Yeah, and but you know Got to make more money, you know, go to a bigger market.
So, you know, with the Madison.
Well, Fadilac. I enjoyed my time there too. But you were like a king of Fond du Lac. You like hold port on those softball diamonds? Yeah, I mean, I loved it.
I love Carbon Fond du Lac sports. That's my back. But if I'm going to go back to one year, 1992. Working at Wax Radio and Eau Claire. 25 didn't have a care in the world.
I was also anchoring sports up in Oluth, Minnesota on a TV station up there on weekends. I was having a fun time. And not that I dislike any other place I worked at. When I first got the job, At WSSP. on 2009.
I remember I was my Whispering Springs golf course in Fond du Lac. I was going to hit some balls. I was talking to Tom Parker, and he offered me the job. On the morning show, and I remember I went to hit balls, a big bucket of balls, and I couldn't even concentrate. I was, I was so excited.
About doing sports radio in Milwaukee once again.
So I would think 2009. But definitely 1992 is probably if I could go back.
So question number three. What is the greatest game you ever covered? Game 163. Really? With me?
Yeah.
That was like the most emotional game for me ever. I cried. I did. I had tears in my eyes. That was a great run for me.
I think that was a great run. That's when people realize: oh, this guy isn't such a. fucking jerk off.
Well, you went to St. Louis and covered the clincher. I did. You did.
I walked in the press box and everyone that was there is like, what the fuck are you doing? They drove there. You gave us great coverage. I did. I got BA on the field.
On the post-game show with Tim. But do you ever look at it like all this hard work that we did? All and we got paid for it. But it's a Here today, gone tomorrow. I mean, you went to St.
Louis, you and I went down to Wrigley. Where did it get us? What memories? For stories to tell. And now the radio station is playing CBS Sports Radio.
Not that that's bad, but. people prefer we all prefer local No, game 163. And this week, I will actually be hosting for Zach El Thursday, Friday. I'll be on Saturday and Sundays. And I love CBS Sports Radio.
I like that show. Although on the weekends, they don't air me, they air BetQL instead. Even though I'm there. How come you don't have a regular weekend shift? I do every Sunday.
You do? Oh, I didn't know that. I've been doing Sundays all summer, two to six. That's your permit. And is that going to go into football too?
Nope, then I lose my j- uh ja- Why? Because they do Zach L. I don't want to work NFL Sundays. Oh man. See, I think that's when it's best, you know, when you're driving around it.
You're hearing around the NFL. I think that's pretty much it. But I don't want to work that. I want to be at home. I want to get home.
Yeah.
I get it.
So uh I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, the music's all right. What did you ask me again? You asked me 1992. Greatest game you ever covered.
You said you cried at 163. Oh, 163. I did, man. I was just. And that ball, and I still, every time we go to a Sunday game, I go up to.
Watch the ceiling experience, the video there, and I see that ball drop in the. Keon Broxton's glove. Oh, yeah. A little tear comes to my eyes. Yeah.
That was just great. I mean, it just. Man, they were going to the postseason, winning the division title. It's just the Cubs Man. That was just...
That was just a special day. I just loved it, man. I just, it was great. I know you didn't like my driving on the way down there, but... You know, one of the guys that we had on that Instagram, we did an Instagram stream.
The grizzled one, Frank, has since passed. That's a shitty part, is like learning, meeting listeners, and then they die. Did the guy from Oshkosh die? Rick's dead. You sure about that?
Positive. How? Nobody knew the guy. I I do n how I know I can't say.
Okay, but you're for sure? I killed him. I didn't. I'm not a murderer. No, I have a friend who works in government.
Okay, oh. Because he stopped calling the show too.
Well, dead people usually don't make phone calls.
Well, I mean, that was an indication. Did he was not just calling? I mean, because this is, he was calling when I was there that he just stopped calling. And you said. Rick would call Saturday mornings just to ask what the TV listings were for the day.
He did that during the mid days too. Yeah, he did an adult show. He called the hero. Yes. Hey, Rick, you want to get on?
No, I don't want to get on. I just want to know why they got this woman on the show today. I don't know, Rick. You know, a lot of those. Callers.
I mean, they just. And they still follow you and I on Twitter and all that. You know, they're the best. You know, those are, I love those guys. They're loyal, loyal, loyal people.
And when you have a podcast like this, the callers become your friends. They do. Friend of show, I've always said. And they are. And I love running into people at Summerfest or wherever, state fair.
Um In a bar, yeah. I mean, that the the That run of WSSP will always be remembered. In Wisconsin. And there's a lot of People who'd want it to come back. And who knows, somewhere down the line.
You never don't. Yeah, once this does massive numbers of 200 views, did you make that big royalty check from YouTube? Mm-hmm. Uh five for freemes. What would what?
I don't know what the line should be at, but to you know how when odds makers make a line, it's to get the most amount of bets one way.
So what would the line be? If we were to do a daily show together again for when the first real like... fight was where we were like Why did we do this again? Like, how many weeks, months, days? I would say.
Because I don't think we would get to that point, I swear. But people would, and you might, so we have to set a line. 140. In the first Six months. No, in the first six months, would Chuck and Winkler get into an argument in the first six months minus 140?
Oh, for yes? Yes. Right now we've scared off anybody who ever wants to even think about hiring us, but probably nobody wants to hire us anyway, so. Because nobody likes money. Um Nobody wants any of our revenue.
Chook and I are basically the next best version of the U.S. Mint. We can just print money for you, and no one cares. Um Yeah, I would say that. What would you lay for odds that you and I will be doing another radio show in Milwaukee?
Um I think on the money line I would say I would say Now the desire's there. Mm-hmm. But I would say it would be No minus 250, yes plus 300. Yeah, that's about right. That's about right.
Um I don't ever want to do an early morning show ever again. I'm done doing morning shows. It would have to be like a midday. I have to do an Anywhere between nine and 7 p.m. And I'm looking for anywhere between like one and two.
Okay, that's perfect for me. Do you.
Now you. You're not getting up early in the morning anymore. Are you? I know your podcast drops in the morning, but you're taping that at night. Yeah, uh I get up I get uh I would get I get up to take my kid to daycare.
Oh, you do?
Okay.
But that's like 7.30. That's not four o'clock in the morning. No. And then when I filled in for the DA show... I filled in for the DA show on July 5th.
It's just me and another guy, my guy EJ. And I set my alarm at like 3.15 because it started at 5. And my wife's like, why are you setting it so early? I go, because I'm doing a national show in the morning. I have to be in a good frame of mine.
She goes, You used to have a show with your name on it in Milwaukee and you would set your, you would like just wake up by chance. Did you really? No, I said. Oh, no, here's the deal about the difference between doing a Milwaukee show. Not that the Milwaukee show wasn't important, but on the National Show.
If you oversleep that. There's hundreds of radio stations, hundreds of radio stations that don't have any programming. At five o'clock on a warning. Yeah.
So I get but I got to do national stuff too. Like when I do my AP sports kiss, man. I Set 15 alarms at night. I do it late at night. And like about take a nap.
A night nap, I just set those alarms because I can't oversleep. That's natural. You aren't getting up in the morning. No, no, no. Like if I take a night nap.
You know what, you know what a nightnapp is right now?
So if I gotta get up like 11 o'clock at night. I'm gonna take, you know, fall asleep on the couch. Oh okay. Like in the wintertime, you know, geez, in the wintertime, sometimes you fall asleep on the couch. I'll set my alarm for 10 because they I don't do these sports guests until All the West Coast games are done.
You gotta wait till they all finish up.
So I don't st like tonight I'm I there's only a handful of games, so I might get done a little early, but I gotta, you know, have a late night, making sure every game goes final. And in case somebody goes, it has a no-hitter too, so. But yeah, I don't ever want to do early mornings. Would you be good at doing early mornings? I could I'd be more willing to do mornings than I would nights.
Afternoons? Afternoons, God, anywhere between nine and five, yes. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to miss my kid grow up, so I don't want to ever do nights.
Well, I think we're to a point now we can do all this from home anyway, so you wouldn't have to miss your kid at all growing up. I dunno. It's not the same. Oh, you'd rather be back in the studio. I love doing it.
I built my stadium. I don't like on national. I don't run my own board. They'll like play drops on me. I'm like.
Are you here or at SSP doing that? I go to SSP. Oh, you do?
Okay.
Multiple times a week. Why can't you just do it from. Chuck, you would not recognize a soul in that building. There's one guy in the building I do like, Chris Morrell. You know, Chris?
He's there, yep. Salesdor. God, I love him. He was there as a sales guy when I was there in 2009. Good guy.
There's one sales guy they hired on Monday, and then they canned the sales staff on Tuesday. The whole station. No, they canned our station on Tuesday. Oh. And the guy's like, whoa, I just got here.
What's happen? One more question, five for free. Where's the best first date spot in Fond du Lac? I don't know. I would say the Best first date spot?
Because I we went to Sebastian's. Which is not that great of a steakhouse, right? It's like a hotel restaurant. Just up.
Okay.
There's a hotel in there on Sebastian. No, but it's like that kind of thing. It's not.
Okay, when you grow up when you grow up and finda like Sebastian's is like this steakhouse and then you like go to a Ruth Chris and you're like oh shit. I always thought Fields was that in Follang. Yeah, maybe Theos is the right answer.
Okay.
I would say place. It's like first date. Like, if you're meeting somebody on a blind date, if someone was going on a because I went on my first date with my wife was in Fond du Lac, so I really didn't know where to take her. Where would you suggest? I would say backyard, Schmitty's, right?
I like Schmitty's. Not as a first date. Why not? There's a bar there, there's food. Schmitty's like a basement turned into a restaurant.
but it's a nice place. I love Schmitty's too, but I like it. I like it. I'm accused of wanting to go there too much. But I like we go there.
Um Friday night or Friday or Saturday, and the Wheels went there tonight. If I would have said the magic words tonight, we could have gone down to Schmitty's tonight. But I thought, ah, we were. Better we eat at home. But yeah, I love Schmitty's.
I like going there. Besides, I'd say Schmitty's. That's fine. I would just assume, like, all like dating and Fonalac, people, everybody knows each other already, right? Oh, that was a hard time.
Yeah, I realized the week that I realized. that any final like option for me was Done. I was 25 and I realized. I'm never, I'm not going to find anyone in this town. I met my wife a week later who was not from Fondi.
Where did you meet her? In Fondi, but you did?
Well, at a party. But still. Met Infondi, yeah.
Okay, was it a Bachelor party? Halloween. No, it wasn't a bachelor party. Was she a stripper?
Well, I noticed that these bachelor parties are like becoming more and more combined these days. Bachelor, Bachelorette party. Oh, that's because the guy always cheats on the chick, anyway. The guy who's getting married? Yeah, I don't I didn't.
I went to Vegas. Why would you cheat on the woman you're getting married to? Because that's the whole, that's like your last week to pick one in. Yeah.
I'll just tell me. I'm just a beta. I just, I'm just a beta and only second-man wife. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm I'd be okay with wherever I'm married. If I'm not gonna if I'm gonna do that, then I probably shouldn't be getting married. When is their batcher party, by the way? Winners who? Yours.
Mine for what? Getting married. I don't think that's happening.
Well, you can still have a bachelor party. To celebrate what? You and I never really got drunk together. That's a problem. Did we ever run into each other?
Anywhere? Yeah, I don't remember where, but we did. Have we ever run into each other? I just answered that. Sendix?
Oh, Taco Bell. We would run each other. Taco Bell. Yeah, I'd be getting behind you in the drive-thru. Highway with you text.
It's a turnaround.
Well, Freems, I never thought this would happen.
Well Now people can stop. Call me names for not coming on your podcast. You know, again, I told you the reason why earlier.
Now that it's happened once, I think it should happen again.
Well, you know, we can do our own, like I said. I'd rather wish I'd rather us Have like an hour show every night. But Well, that ain't happening.
Well, we got too much stuff. You and I both got too many other things going on. But, you know, terrestrial radio made us made some room out there. Yeah.
We'd find some room. See, we like each other. We told stories. We didn't alienate anyone. This is basically our audition tape.
It is. Do you think this whole show could air on a radio station right now?
Well, I swore.
Now we'd edit it out.
So we take a 60-minute show and edit all your squares and get down to about 45 minutes. Absolutely, why not? It'd be the best shit out there, thing out there. I thought for sure you'd come on and start burying people. Why do I need to do that anymore?
I'm 40 years old. You're not. You were just doing this a couple of weeks ago. I don't even know. Who you guys have never met.
Yeah, I ran into him once at the Box. This is game six. We sat next to, we had a, Rami and his buddies had a thing at Uncle Buck's, and the game was next to us. And so Zavin and I crossed paths going into the bathroom, and we looked in each other's eyes and just kept going our merry way. All right, did he know it was you?
I think so. Then he shit on me on his podcast. When we got fired and he said I guess that's that's why you don't do all that stuff you do And then I sent him an email, like. This could happen to anyone, dude. Good luck.
Well Like I said, that's why you can't. If the chances are suck up to Steve Zabin my whole life or live my life and do my own thing, I know, but do you think, okay. Do you think you'd have we'd have a job if that didn't happen? Do you think we did it? Did it cost you now?
No, no, no, no. I don't think it did. No, we just weren't. Nope. I think just Again, these coaches got to coach their team, and they don't think we could hit the three-point jumper for some reason.
I don't know why. Don't know. Do you know why? Why do you think? Why why don't what why do you th why do you think we're not on everyday radio anymore?
Because I'm a hothead. Do you think that's it?
So you think You think you cost us a chance. The Chuck and Winkler show. I don't know. We got a good thing. There's a lot of hotheads in the business.
We're both able to bring in money. Yeah.
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know either. That's what I said. The coaches out there got a couple of people.
I haven't applied anywhere also.
Well, they know we're out there. Right, but I don't want people to think like You think I have a call?
Well, do you think I'm going to call up?
Well, I'm running out of places now, but do you think I'm going to call?
Well, let's say. Wherever it's saying, oh, you know what? I'm available.
Well, they know. They know they know. They just I I think they probably just Or maybe too much too out there for them. I don't know. Maybe they see my podcast getting guys like Cody Rhodes and Clay Thompson on.
They're like, we can't afford this guy. Maybe that was. I thought the Clay Thompson interview was fantastic. How about that? I thought that when I when I when that first came up I was like, Clay Thompson?
Oh, come on. It's got to be some impersonator. I thought you were going to do some gimmick like no. I mean, you and Clay talked like you were longtime friends. It was great.
Well, because he knew He knows that I have a show. He would always bug my brother about it. Oh, he did? When the Packers would lose and/or he'd be like, Man, they must be fired up on that on your brother's show today. Oh.
And he said, yeah, I'll get can I get clan? All right. And then on the radio I would ask for Clay and he go, I'll get you a Kavan Looney. With all due. Yeah.
But then once I had a podcast, he's like, all right, I'll try to get you clay.
Well, we had the NBA championship trophy. In the studio. Yeah.
We got the whole thing. And then it was in my house. And it was in your house? Wow. Oh yeah.
Okay.
Mm-hmm. All right. Well, sounds like we're running out of things to say on this first date. No, I just once we hit the hour mark, I'm like, okay, we're good.
Well, I told you 20 minutes. Yeah, you told him, I told you as long as you want. Yeah.
It's a Monday night. The Brewers aren't playing. I'm just gonna do my sports kiss and You're already on my podcast, but. Yeah, if you want to do it again somewhere down the road. We haven't pissed enough people off already.
Okay.
I don't know. I think this is a nice. I think people are going to remember that we exist. We didn't bury anybody. We just told it like it was.
That's all I've ever done. Me too. And sometimes people don't want to hear it.
Sometimes I think though. Yeah.
Uh I'm I was speaking about me here. Um Maybe I should have.
Well, I did on my way off at 1250. Never have regrets. Never have regrets because the decision you made. In that moment, was the best decision you thought that was the best decision that you could have made with the information you had? Yeah.
That's why I told people to wear a mask and get a text. I noticed on the video here, you didn't put my Twitter you put your Twitter feed, but you didn't put at Chuck Freeman. You're the one that wrote Chuck. Oh, that you don't strip that out? Oh, because when you come on mine, I have to.
Yeah, your locked on Brewer's thing was so fancy. You like that?
Well, hey. Yeah, that's they're first class people. I love working for them. Can you always like working? for people who respect and like your work.
And so, hey. They pay me. I do good work for them. They provide class. Classy stuff.
I love it. There. I put it up and I even spelt it wrong just to be a dick. Oh, come on. Don't do that.
It's F-R-E-I-M-U-N-D. I know what it is. I know. I'm just telling the fans out there. Hey, frames.
Okay, well, this is the parking lot. It happened.
Now, what?
Now, what the fuck do I do? This is where we walk out to the parking lot. Ashbettes and say, well. Should we get together again sometime? Yeah, I'll call you, Chuck.
Okay.
Yeah, I think I got your phone number. Yeah, we can figure something out. You want to do it again Friday? Oh, Friday, I'm going to be out of town.
So y'all like next week. Yeah.
Got it, a bachelor party next week. And I got softball coming up. I mean, this golf league and Yeah, we'll figure, just give me a call. We'll figure something out. Tax freeman.
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