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All right, this is the start of the show. Good morning, everybody. It's the Bart Winkler Show. I'm Bar Winkler. We got Tim Shea live boots on the ground at the ballpark.

Yeah. You're ahead of me, which is great. I'm watching Braves Cubs. Braves were down 6-0. Strike one!

Braves were down 6-0. Brewers are down 4-1. Brewers down 4-1. Insurmountable. Braves down 6-0.

Walk in the park. No big deal.

Sorry. Brewers lose. Follow up! All right. Graves going for the win.

Damn, I'm going you full screen. There it is Well, they gave you towels I got it now NL Central Champions All right, I gotta go. We'll talk later. We'll talk later. Tim Shea, ladies and gentlemen, how about it?

Timmy Shea at the ballpark. That is some good stuff. Yes, if you were watching the stream, we had a look-see at the game. He didn't show the game. He didn't show any of the game.

We're all legally good. They got it done. Unbelievable. What a night. What a night.

All right. This is some good stuff. Um Wow, this is some good stuff.

So, Brewers win the NL Central. I'm not sure what more there is to say. I do want to recap. How we got here. This felt like a night tonight.

where it was going to happen. It did. We made this feel like it was going to happen. There were more people at the ballpark. than I think were expected because it felt like it was going to happen.

We were watching this game. Yeah, it's great. It's on a Tuesday. Not much else going on. This was the night for it to happen.

They don't win. They don't win. Brewers have an opportunity to win, put up a run in the third, and it looked like many, many, many, many runs. We're coming to follow. It did not happen.

The Cardinals Score four runs in the next couple of innings. Uh in Ings. And Get it done. They beat us. Devil magic.

Okay, there you go. That stinks. The Braves are down 6-0. At one point, watching Bally's levering pops on, he goes, by the way, it's 6'3. Six three.

Well fuck. That's good. Then I turned it on a little later, saw a home run. 6'5.

Okay. We like this. Watched it. It looked like a pop fly in the eighth was going to end the inning of a little Braves rally. Suzuki.

Just misread it. It was almost like it went through. His aunt. And the Braves locked it down. Iglesias locked it down in the ninth.

There are some people. That had concerns as we were doing the Dan Shaney YouTube stream. We're kind of watching the end of these games. On Tuesday night, and there were some concern that, or just that, you know, you celebrate a loss, you're celebrating a loss. As the Brewers are celebrating right now, make sure to get the Bally's Going to see everything that's happening there.

I do miss being in that locker room. I do. I do miss that. Those were very fun days that everybody should get to experience somehow, some way. That was a treat that I got to experience a couple of times that I do not take for granted.

Um it was very special back in 18. I uh I don't think you're celebrating a loss. You're not celebrating. A loss. What you are celebrating is the 88 games you've won so far.

You are celebrating the road that it took. to get here. That's what you're celebrating. You're celebrating the road that it took to get to this point. And You gave yourself enough cushion where you can afford this.

Now, I did see people. Already talking. I'm going to call this fellow out, which I should not do. Because I was someone who during the Packer game was all pessimistic and then they won. Brandon Woodruff stand says we face a lefty tomorrow.

We might come down to the Cubs. Corbin's going to have to win the final weekend. We have legit reasons to be concerned. Why do we think that way? Why do we think that way?

We were always going to clinch this division. There was one magic number. It was a Brewers' winner, a Cubs loss. It was always going to happen. It just, you know, the sooner it happens, the better, because then it's done.

Now they can just kind of relax for a few days, get primed, get the pitchers ready, be ready to go. And attack the Cubs, who are likely gonna come here. We'll get an update, look on the standings. I know the Marlins game kind of got rained out. I'm planning on it being the Cubs.

As of right now, it would be the Cubs. They need that win. I mean, they need to get into the playoffs. Reds and Marlins and Diamondbacks. Philly's clinched on Tuesday, so we won't be them.

But Diamondbacks, Cubs, Marlins, Reds all In it. Padres and Giants. They're like Beating each other to see who can knock out the other one.

So it's going to be the Reds, Marlins, Cubs, or D-Backs that come to American Family Field next week. We will have. live shows next week. for the playoffs and hopefully more boots on the ground. That was great.

That was great with uh with Tim. Where are we here? Is this Gate? Yo. Where the hell are you?

Uh I just boarded a train. Kind of a wild story, but that's where I'm at. Like the Hiawatha train? No, I'm on the Amtrak. Down, we have a union station in Chicago.

We're heading down. Yeah, we're heading out to Buffalo. Buffalo. Yeah, so it's kind of a weird story. All right, well, we can save it for another day.

Underwrap down. Uh you got some thoughts while before you depart or wherever the hell you want? Yeah. This is like the most brewer's thing ever. What do we uh Are they are they popping champagne as we speak?

Yeah, someone's talking. Fans are out there. They probably want him to come back. Dude's got his shirt off.

So you lose the game. And then you pop champagne. Nothing wrong with that. You're not celebrating the loss. You better have your ticket, Jake.

You're celebrating the 88 games you won to get in this position. Hey, I'm just getting moved right now. Yeah, I don't think this train thing's gonna work, bud. Rock, they sent Rock down to interview. Hold on.

Yeah, let's go lock with this. We're gonna play Mars. Yeah. Front of Bob Euchre. The same you, not Boo.

Sit back and Enjoy the game and not Get excited, or is it man rock? This is an L. I don't want to hear from Debbie Ednazio. No, get just just Just pipe that locker room. The champagne's gone.

The Central Division Champs.

Somebody asked about the gear. The gear is available. I just got an email. that you can buy merchandise Oh yeah. The team store is going to be open and then open tomorrow at 11.

How about that? Yeah, it'll be collector's items below it there. What other takes you got? Just, I brought it up on my last voicemail. Popping champagne before you win anything is loser mentality.

You know, I'm big on losing mentality. They literally won something. You think though? They want a division. I don't recall the Bucks popping champagne when They want baseball's different.

162 games, 162 games.

So these guys want to have one night where they get fucking blasted? Yeah, just you know that one night cost maybe cost them a pennant, so A couple years ago. That's the only thing that's not. I'm sure that sobered Devin Williams. totally punches that hole in the wall, right?

Hey, no alcohol slander tonight. Jake, I'm going to let you back on the train. I'm going to talk to Eric.

Alright, I miss you. Miss you too. Jake. Not tonight, Jakey. Eric of Miller Park Minute.

What do you got? You're on mute again. Nope. Hello now.

Okay. Tonight we celebrate, man. You're supposed to have champagne. Jack Daniels works too. These Sean O'Connell.

Sean meet Eric. Eric meets Sean. Hi, Sean. Water, vodka. Yeah, right.

Well, I think I have champagne in my house. I do think I do. But I think it's at the back of the liquor cabinet. Oh, look at them go. They're spraying everybody.

So I did try to find the next classiest thing I could find. to drink And that is Coffee Patrone. Yeah. They don't make that stuff anymore. You know that, right?

They don't? Limited edition, you should probably save the bottle. You could probably get fifty bucks on eBay. Coffee Patron. Was a shot we used to take in Fondi at JR's all the time, Eric.

Yeah. And also This was my COVID tester. Yeah. Remember I thought I was losing smell or taste? I would do a pull of coffee patron to see if I could taste it or not.

Very much specific. You guys want to cheers, water and whiskey?

So we can move 'cause I can't switch. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Coffee Patron for champs.

Yeah. One to three here, four gates. What did I get in there? I definitely do not have COVID. I definitely do not.

Mission all the I can definitely taste that. This past week. All right, Eric, give me your thoughts. It was a well fought game, uh good win. By the Cardinals?

I need the TV turned down, whoever's got that on. That's me.

Sorry. I forgot about that. Yeah, you dick. I'm just trying to get you banned, so I'm the only Brewers playoff coverage. Oh, you'll still have frames.

I know, I know. There's always frames. He's probably having a coronary about this right now. Yeah. What uh what do you got thought-wise?

You know, I think I actually predicted a Burrs Division win early in the year, and I've been talking about this. You know, you were on my show early when I started this year. And that was a good show, by the way, I saw that. Thank you. I appreciate you.

Yeah, Sean's a completist, right? You'll watch anything. Yeah, I appreciate that. I appreciate anybody who comes. Sean heard me the other day on Maggie and Perloff.

He was lauding Donald Trump. I did make a Trump comparison that I think worked. Yeah. Yeah. I do try and catch part wherever you go.

You gotta support the hometown guy. Yeah, support me.

So division champs. Yeah, I don't know. I think coming into this season, it was us, it was the Cubs, it was the Cardinals. It could have gone a myriad of different ways. You know, it's wild that we are sitting here talking about a Cardinals team.

Who is not fighting for it with us? You know, usually, oh, I don't remember the staff, but this is the first time in like 40 years, maybe? Yeah, yeah, it was like 40 years that they were. Carbon's Red Sox, Yankees, none of them. Yeah.

In the playoffs? That's wild to me. Like. I the Cardinals are obviously still the bane of our existence. But they're not the bane of everybody's existence, so that's huge to me.

Jake's in the comments says Brewers backing in again in October tradition. Jake, I mean, there's like takes you can have. That are like good and you stick by them. But then there's takes where you're just trying to be the enemy. Don't do that.

Don't be pissing. It's Craig Tember, baby. Let's enjoy it. It's Craig Tember. We're four days away from Crocktober.

And and it's still what uh 11 wins in the last Um 17 games, or something like that.

So it's right. Here's Craig talking. Five years is really meaningful. It means we're doing a good job all around. around all the way from the top to the bottom it feels like um It's a job well done.

Guys.

So it's On to the next up. 58 players contributed to this division title. You talk about depth all the time. It took rookies, it took veterans. What can you say about the?

Contributions from everybody in the group. Yeah, that part never stopped, man. I mean, you talk about guys like Colin Ray and Julio Tehran, Andrew Montasterio, like really unexpected. And they they they helped us so much through this thing. And then as we got going in in End of August and September, man, it was pretty special with just contributions from everybody-the big guys, you know, the role players-very meaningful.

I like celebrating a loss, I think it's more fun. Like it's more fun. Hey, somebody else helped us. I like that. Eric's here, Miller Park Minute.

Leeshawn O'Connell. Mark. Welcome to the show. Thanks. What a year.

Where the hell you've been all my life? Yeah. What's up, Mark? I I am s I am amazed. This year has been incredible.

What was your favorite moment tonight when we won a division when we lost four women? Grand Slam for my Cana with May this year. Can it was huge. That was huge.

Well, and this is like, I mean, look at the guys that are producing. This is another thing: like the guys that are producing Canna, Santana. Josh Donaldson. What the fuck? Not on my bingo card, that's for sure.

Did Tony Barrett Mitchell's back, maybe? Did anybody buy that Josh Donaldson was not happy to be here? No, John Boy's an idiot. Her desi didn't want to, like, he didn't need to feel the need to, like, um. address the cloud palace or anything.

like they he said like he knows he knows who like He is Rowdy Talez was joking. John Boyd took it for content. Spreads like wildfire because everyone in baseball is like contractually obligated to love all things John Boy because he made one cool video once. I'm very anti-John Boy, which I don't want to be too public about because, again, everybody loves him. But he loves like John Boy just aggregates content.

That's m like my beef with Freeman. A lot of people like him and I'm I'm I have beef. With frames? Yeah, he's he's not that great. Come on.

You and Frames need to sell it out. You're Fondy boys.

Now, Jake is pro-John Boy. I am. I tried to say hello the other day. That's what it was. Charles liked the 11-inning almost no hit or loss.

That's a memory.

Well, no, the memory of that was the play that saved the game that didn't save the game. Free lick. Absolutely laying out. Weemer. Was the memory there?

My favorite was the mullet home run. That was a good high point. I liked that a lot. Yeah, that was good. And then they set him down.

I'm tweeting if only Chef Jerry Garcia was alive to see this.

Well, it's cool. He's not dead, but I'm just tweeting it. All the audience that we got here and in front of us, who thinks that we are going to see either Garrett Mitchell or Joey Weimer back? It's not like they're going to roster Mitchell, maybe. Yeah.

That's how play and my tree is. Q says my favorite moment was the hottest game on record for the Brewers, the Bart Winkler tailgate. The Bart Winkler podcast tailgate. I missed that one. You got the name tag.

Dave says, I will never get tired of Sophia's champagne soaked hair. Yeah. Just a bunch of dudes. Talking about Sophia's hair.

So, Mark, what do you think postseason-wise? Excuse me. I'm just worried about the I know like the fourth or fifth starter if we need them who that's gonna be. Yeah, well, I'm worried that contractually now, if we play the Braves, we have to give them a game for a thank you. Oh my.

That's what I'm worried about. Tom says, I'm celebrating the same way Bart did for the Bucks, shirtless on my couch. Tom. It's too early for shirts to come off. It is too early for that.

Tyler says, I can't wait to see what terrible PR playoff. Tagline we get this year, hashtag clause up. Um Isn't there one like brewed, brewed by something? Brewed for October, I believe, was the uh. The one already.

I think they actually getting swept by the A's. Then we get swept by the Rockies too. Yeah, we s we suck. We have no business winning. Yes, and then and yeah.

Hey, we won when it matters. like tonight. We won when it matters. Yeah, it was a very even kill season. Never a huge lead, never too far behind.

Just the.

Some of the like the Oakland series Swept and the Rockies, there were low points, but they never lasted. It was very, very, very Craig Council. Um, uh, David Stern's no longer with us, but the recipe is there where. We're just getting to our our magic number. We know what the magic number is and Everything else is secondary, whether it looks pretty or not.

It just felt like that. And You know, but But in between End of March to right now, I got to see a lot of good baseball that I enjoyed. Array for me.

Well, and I got to hug you in person.

Well, I mean You know, I mean, Jesus God, how how uh How lucky are you for that? Absolutely. I'm still not totally soft from that. Bump up.

Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, I I don't know how how how much that Patron can get a taste out of your mouth, but uh yeah, I I don't take it any further. Yep. Do you guys need some private time?

Sh we and we uh Jump off here or but regardless, I do like where things are trending to. I just I the one detractor, though, I will say, though, is that I'm not digging right now that we've had a few losses, but as long as we just knock the crap out of the Cubs, I'll feel a lot better because I'm not one of the, it's okay to take your. Foot off the gas pedal. That ain't me. I just try to win every game.

So hopefully, we can get back to that.

So they just showed a stat. August Through September, we have steadily gone up runs per game. And now we're trending towards five runs per game.

So. Nice. We got it where it mattered. You know what I mean? The one thing that I always say about baseball, and I always talk about.

When I rant out about all the losses, is What really matters is Select moments. I believe Bart calls it bites at the apple. I've heard that term. And those are the most important parts of the season. The bites.

The series that you know, after the all-star break and before the all-star break against Cincinnati. That's when we started to take this thing. And we just, well, with the help of an epic collapse from the Chicago Cubs. And our consistent winning games here, you know, two there, three here. We did it.

You know? I thought we were about to hit a low point when we were in Texas. Or no, I'm sorry, the Dodgers, the Dodgers before Texas. And I thought that was going to be like our bottom out. And then we just bounce back.

So. Yeah. I am. Ha ha ha. Bucky says, feels weird to be celebrating after losing to the Cardinals.

Why? We did it back in 1982. Why not do it again? Ooh. Nice.

Well I got an early morning. Love you guys. Yeah, we'll probably wrap up. I just wanted to get on, watch the end of the game, celebrate a little bit. Sean just dipped out.

Mark, anything else for you? I think that Ever since the South Re debut, they've been it's ever since then they've like Here like a like a I failed the turning point in the in the year. Mark, where do you live? Waukesha.

Well, I guess are you going to get any playoff games? I'm going next Tuesday. Oh, nice. Yeah. Hell yeah.

Yeah, that's right. All right, Mark, I'm going to say goodbye to you. All right. Thanks, buddy. Good to see ya.

Uh that's Mark. I will hang for a couple minutes. How do you say the name of your productions? I never even know. That's okay, my friend.

Rock Solid Productions. Rock Solid. That makes sense. Because you have to realize, being a member of Gen X, I can't spell anything without an X that I could put an X in there because we're the best generation. I was just about to wrap up, but then I I've never talked to you like live.

No, I think you and I have to. I mean, we've talked on Twitter. We've talked, you know, doing the stuff with Sparky with the final inspection and whatnot. But man, I will tell you, living here in the armpit of Central Illinois, there is just the Schadenfreude tonight. A little bit of numerology.

I don't know if anyone else realizes this, but September 26, 2018, we also clinched an entry into the playoffs. And that was the last time we made a serious run at winning the whole flip. I was there. Yeah. People forget I was there.

And it's here's my concern with this team: there's no consistency as a whole. We get great pitching, the hitting doesn't show up. We get great hitting, we get shelled on the mound.

So that's the concern that I have is looking at where this team is moving forward. Can they put 27 innings together to win a series, you know, a best in three series, or, you know, God, no, I got to do math, 36 innings to win a best of five or a best of seven. I mean, that's the concern that I've got, Bart. And I don't know, I don't know what you think about that, but. This is a damn streaky team, one of the streakiest I've ever seen from the crew.

Yeah, I think I feel somewhat, I don't know. I think that this I feel somewhat I feel somewhat like I don't know. A lot of those old years, it's like we have to win the series or we will die. You know? This this year has just been like I don't know.

It's just, it's the beginning of the year, I was all worried I wasn't into them enough because I wasn't covering the team. And, you know, I've experienced this year, like where you watch a little bit, then you kind of don't. Like, even Saturday and Sunday, I didn't see an inning. You know? And last, Monday, they don't play.

Tuesday, of course, it's the thing you want to do. And the playoffs are going to be super engaging. Uh and really, really fun. Uh they did enough to earn some home games for that ride. And I think that it is going to be.

All right, I think the the bites of the apple thing There is good context behind that. Stearns got clowned for that because he said it like the one time he shouldn't have. You know, you say that. You say, yeah, it's another chance. We're five of six years.

It's another chance. We're getting another chance. Yeah. Not the year that you. Don't make the playoffs.

You know, here's the concern that I have too: is I'm, and you and I have actually talked during other post-game shows and whatnot about this. And I've talked about with Sparky, with Tim Allen, and whatnot. Just good enough isn't anymore. I am tired of just being, hey, we got there. You know what?

That's that's a loser. You know what? I'm, we, we've been there enough times now. I mean, when we got in in 2008, it was something different because it had we were happy just to be there. You know what?

I'm not happy just to be there anymore. To quote Major League, I want us to go and win the whole flipping thing. And I mean, the fact that we I feel like this team, once they they knew that they were in, like they relaxed a little bit. If you looked at Killer Instinct has been missing the last four games, and that's definitely something that has me concerned. I got somebody I don't know if they're going to say who they are or not, but I got somebody giving us some.

I got somebody giving us some highlights. I think I know who it is, but I will not say. Live footage. I love it.

Now, if they could only hold the phone in the correct orientation, it should go this way, not that way. This guy's name is the host is a douche. Unmute yourself. What is this? Unmute.

Unmute. Yeah. To generate multiple times. You son of a bitch. You son of a bitch.

Rock Solid Productions, what do you, what is your What do you do? Just a curiosity. I see a nice old throwback Bart Simpson. You like that back there? We've got RBI Baseball 2 on the NES plan.

My whole thing is, I'm modern and retro gaming. And, you know, typically I've said in the past. Hey, it's Shay! That's Tim Shay on the video. That's Shay.

We just saw Shady. That that you can only get on the Dan Shaney YouTube. Great stuff. All right, you guys were talking. Go ahead.

I don't care. Yeah, we're celebrating. What about the Simpsons thing in the background and asking him what he did?

Sorry. That's.

So, I'll give you a little bit of a better shot there of my Simpsons arcade cat. I love it.

I'm the podcast host of this show, and you guys have way better setups than me.

Well, dude, I told you when you started, if you needed help with your YouTube stuff, please reach out to me. I did make that offer to you. You did. I think I'm going to buy a sure SM7B. Is that good?

I haven't looked into it myself. I know this is a $30 fee-fine microphone that, man, I gotta say, I dig it for 30 bucks. I can't complain. It sounds phenomenal, actually. Yeah, it sounds better.

Mine, mine was $130. This piece is good. Although this does good when I'm like live in a place. When I talked to Clay, it was good. When I was at the tailgate, it was good.

It does a good job neutralizing. But the guy, Damon Bruce. The guy I had from San Francisco basically. I'm just gonna buy what he has 'cause he sounds fucking crisp. Sure.

Well, I mean, I can always send you some Amazon affiliate links, so there's that. Oh, yeah. We're always helping people. Yeah. For twenty dollars off your meats.

Or no. Omaha Steaks, yeah, $30 off your selection BART promo code. And they are flash frozen, so they are always fresh. Jesus Christ. You are now the host of this show.

I quit. Done. I have no business being here. Hey, if I can put up with Sparky for as many years as I did, man, this is easy. Yeah.

Well, I am going to depart. I'm going to wrap up this. You just leave your s computer on. It's fine. I'm very excited about everything that happened tonight.

I think it was great that we were on the cusp of losing a seven-run deficit they pulled out of their ass. What? Did you take a gummy yet tonight? Uh no, I'll take it right after this. Wh which one are you taking?

Well, I got to celebrate tonight. Got to go Delta A tonight. Gotta go 50 MGs.

So here's the question I've got for you guys then. We're in. We're number three seed, locked in. How far does this team go? Dave, the question I have for you: is this mean you're going to join us more or what?

Um sure. I can do that. Yeah, there we go. I'd be myself. How far do they go?

I I I don't know yet, but I've I'm feeling decent vibes is what I'll say right now. I'm going NLCS plus. Jesus.

So a as our mutual friend used to say, is this the championship season of 23? I don't think so.

Well, as everyone's mutual friend says, because someone's got a friend that says it, but that's baseball. That's right. That's why you play the game. That's the way the cookie crumbles. That's the way the fucking sun rises.

I just want Euchar to get one more chance to call a World Series, man. He ain't getting any younger and. It's going to be sad when he, because I mean, mad props to the guys who call the games now. It just ain't the same when he's not on the show. And it was sad he missed that like long period of time of home games where he was gone for like whatever.

He'll do road playoff games, right? He's got to. Hold for it. I would hope so. I mean, it all I'd say it uh honestly just depends on his health.

I mean, if he's feeling good and can do the travel, I mean, I don't like people doing shit from home, but even if he does it from the ballpark COVID years, he's got to do it. Yeah, I mean, they can set everything up and I mean, have a ISDN line or something like that go on to the to the flagship for him to be able to broadcast, even if he's just watching on a monitor. I I think they need to figure out how to do that. Hell, if the three you know, these three schmucks here can figure out how to do it live on YouTube. Then I mean Someone with the money behind them of the flagship should be able to handle that for the best announcer ever in all of baseball.

Exactly. All right, boys, I am saying goodbye. Have a good night. And, Bart, seriously, if you want me on future shows, just shoot me a DM and I'll do what I can to join you. Or, how about I do it the way I've currently been doing it?

I tweet the link, and if you're available, join. I can do that too. I ain't begging you fucks to come on. But I do like, I do also depend on it. I need people, yes.

Yes. Happyplacehemp.com promo code BART. Yes, good job. All right, guys, go Brewers, big win. Go brewers, cock the fubs.

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In today's episode. will be with Grant Bills and Paulin maybe. And Paul will ask questions. And we'll say Mm-mm. Or will say, mm-mm.

And I am going to. Skip any monologue I might do. And just get into the questions. No monologue? What?

I think I've I think at this at this point of the week, I'm I've gotten everything off my chest. Wow. Yeah. Well, it's a short week, so you got to speed up the process. We got game Thursday night.

Yeah, we fit days of reaction in a smaller window because we got to get to preview mode. You know, extra questions. And I thought this might be like a Martin Short appreciation. Intro, you know, as per our text thread, but we can save that. And to be clear, we all are shortheads.

Mm-hmm. Is that a Martin Short fan? I knew you were I would have thought that would make us short a's. Should's Yeah, I don't know. My wife's got his book.

There's a Martin Short book. I did not know this. Oh, everybody's got a book. I am writing a book. All right, so let me ask this before we get into the questions.

Bart, you said it's very hard. You had mentioned in our text. It's okay for me to say this thing. You know it's like it's hard to get you to do like a legit like Like Ridiculous outward laugh, like from a show or something. Like, it's hard to earn that.

I'm tough to earn from that, too. The last time I remember doing that, and Grant, I'm gonna ask you if you can recall one, so think hard if you've had one. 15 years ago, I'll never forget it. 15 years ago. No, but seriously.

I'll never forget when I laughed at a show. No, no, no. When I had like a seriously like. over ridiculous reaction that I couldn't control. And it was when I first watched.

Something related to Between Two Ferns with Zach Galifanakis. And I could not contain, I didn't know what to do. Like, I was like medically concerned because I couldn't catch my breath. I was. like i was rofla i was rolling on the floor laughing for real Martin Short in Only Murders in the Building got Bart to do that recently.

Grant, have you had an experience like that?

Well, I wasn't medically concerned, I just chucked the ball. But you said it was to the point that spouse was a bit concerned for you and thought you were doing a bit.

So that's that's, you know.

Well she's just like w she's just like what it w what 'Cause I never laugh during shows. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you're you're a tough sell. I am I mean I think things are funny. I'm laughing on the inside as they...

Used to say. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Interesting. Grant, have you had one of these moments?

I laugh at a lot of things. I laughed last week. I was watching the show What We Do in the Shadows. Very funny. Um But I had like a laughing attack.

It was probably a year or two ago when I started when I watched Always Sunny for the first time and I watched their musical episode. Musical episode. The Nightman Cometh. I laughed pretty damn hard during that. That was probably the last time I really had a good a good laugh out loud, Stitcher type laugh.

Hmm. I once tried, it's always sunny. I never got into it. Like that and Seinfeld are probably my two like Paul. Am I missing out?

Yeah. I tried it once, but now that I know there's a musical episode, that might bring me back. I mean, don't start at the beginning. The first season looks like they filmed it in a microwave. Like, you can't.

Well, I like that. I like that charm. But then so what happened was uh fx aired the show And they were on like the edge of canceling it. And they said, like, you need to add something. And Danny DeVito was a fan.

Okay. And he's like. They asked him, he's like, Yeah, I want to be on the show. And then Danny DeVito just goes. I mean, he's one of the more unreal characters of T V ever.

Mm-hmm. So, is that what season is that approximately? Is that two? He joins in season two. Oh, they were only going to get the one season.

Okay. Yeah. So should I start there? 'Cause I did start season one what like ten years ago and It didn't click. No Yeah, you gotta watch it.

Okay. You just Yeah. Make the rules Seinfeld. Sein, you watch Seinfeld, too. That's yeah, you're Seinfeld.

Come on. Like Seinfeld has aged in a way where it's not going to get me to spit out my drink laughing, but it's still very good. I don't know. Again, start with the episode The Marine Biologist and go from there. For Seinfeld?

'Cause that's the first time that All the plots. My issue with Seinfeld and Cheers and other like well-known. Cheers, now we're shitting on Cheers. You just came on the Fourth of July. I'm not going to shit on it.

I'm going to say that anything that had the laugh track. I it broke my brain. Sure, sure. I just couldn't deal with it. Didn't you watch comedies growing up?

Like, I watched Married with Children, which had the live studio audience that my dad watched. Um, I mean, a lot of it looks like Raymond, King of Queens, that era of TV is just such a treat. Did not watch those. Yeah, King of Queens is good. And now King of Queens is back.

It's absolutely nice. The meme has brought it back. It is back. I want to try to meme something from Everybody Loves Raymond. I was looking at pictures yesterday, I couldn't find anything.

It was. Oh no. I'm going to the doctor today, finally, and get a fucking appointment. You already had an appointment. Yeah, it didn't help.

Well, I was actually going to compliment you after you did your good morning, everybody, that. Like it was cough-free. It sounded pretty clear. Can we talk about sports, man? Let's talk about sports, man.

All right. We I asked you last week About the Ryan Wood Twitter conversation, the guy, and capital T, the, capital G. I thought about you. I thought about that. Hmm.

Good. I have follow-up. Gabe Jen Chui show. They asked the question. They said they had a poll.

Would you extend them right now? Interesting. Out of four, I think I could go look it up. I think it was an overwhelming, yeah. Was that after week two or after week three?

This was on Monday.

So after week three, okay. Yeah. So that's interesting. What I wanted to ask you was we... Last week, I think 63% say yes said they would.

They said if they wanted to steal.

So The question I had for you, because so last week after week two. After the comeback loss. You both said, mm-mm. You were not ready to anoint him, the guy, give him the guy money, that you were feeling good, but like the guy would make you like a top eight quarterback. And I think we kind of settled that he was probably somewhere in like a Daniel Jones tier at the moment, right?

I mean, don't let me. mischaracterize what you guys thought. The fourth quarter of Sunday's comeback win. was A the guy quarter from Jordan Love, like that was. Capital T, capital G, give him the five years, five years, 200 million, make him a $40 million, $45 million per year quarterback.

That was the guy quarter. for Jordan Love as you watched it. Grant, you made a face that tells me you might be leaning a certain direction, but or Because keep in mind, the guy. I could go first, but Grant made a face, and you by radio rules, you said Grant's name, so he's got to go. It was a the guy even though on a Dan Shaney YouTube stream.

My box is More of the leader position. He and do you like the today's background? I'm back in front of the green screen. I'm back in my green screen era. This is Granddad's bluff, but circa like 2018.

When I was lightest up there. Look across. Grant. Mm-hmm. The guy quarter.

He definitely had the goods, capital T, capital G. But I don't, why did then we have to turn around and pay him $200 million and $40 million a year? That's that's, I don't want to do that. We don't have to do that yet. You don't have to, right?

This is like a this is the pulse check, though, Mr. Bills. This is the pulse check. Yeah. I think this is what I keep saying on my show.

I think Jordan Love has played basically the same game three times. Like within 5%, 10%, 15%. It's very similar. He didn't have an awful game week one and then took a big jump, or he didn't have an amazing game and then fall off a cliff the next week. I think he's played three very solid games.

And this last Sunday, he just happened to make some of his best plays down the stretch. And that wasn't the case against Atlanta. Right now, whether that was his fault or not. Yeah. So I think totally, yeah, 100%.

Um I just I don't then know what to say. You know, to turn around and pay him, you know, X dollars a year. I'm not even thinking. That's not even on my radar.

Some people have floated out the idea that Jordan Love should. Take the Packers for every cent they're worth or try to get a bigger contract elsewhere. How about that? How about that? I saw one take.

I forgot whom. That's some. There you go.

Well I mean or that's in like when if like if I had that opinion. Then I would and I interviewed Jordan Love, I'd say. Yeah, Jordan, some people are saying. You know, I've heard some chatter, Brian Gutens, that people think that Jordan Love should. One could make the other.

How do you address those concerns? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, Grant, if you had taken Gabe, Jen, and Chewy Pole, you would have said no, do not, you would not, like, again, the Packers do not have to make that decision right now. They do not.

They have him, they re-signed him before the season started. He signed a contract. This is not a concern for next season. He's going to make $25 million next season, I think, which is obviously...

well below 40 or 45 million.

So, no, the Packers do not have to make the decision right now. But, Grant, if you would have taken the poll, you would have said no, do not. Like, if you had to make the decision right now, I probably would have said yes. I am just not the type of fan. or media member Whose response to everything is pay the man.

Like, I don't know, Rashawn Gary's got a great game. He's like, pay him. It's like, I that's never my thing to go on and tweet, like, pay him, extend him, give him all the money. I don't know. I don't know.

Call me a purist. I just like to watch the game for the sake of the game without thinking of dollars and cents all the time. Maybe I want to get out of that frame of mindset for just a couple of hours while I watch my team.

Well, that definitely makes you and I different in that regard because I'm just thinking, like, okay. If you give Jordan Love this amount, and then you can give Rashawn Gary that amount, and then they can trade Barter this host and that.

So our brains are functioning, not surprisingly, quite differently during the game. That's okay. We're the yin and yang to each other, Paul. And actually, the more yin and yang. I don't think, Bart, I have ever had as strong of emotions about anything.

as I did about as as you did, Bart, during the package game on Sunday. like watching you tweet through your your feelings. And then listening to your post game, I was like, you know, you have such strong opinions and strong feelings that I. I just But what? About the floor and just the just the whole game and the team and the everything and I was like I was just trying to understand what it would be like to watch a game with that level of emotion.

Well, I have not, I have not. I've not adjusted yet. I've not adjusted. I've not adjusted. to understanding and i've said it and i've told people but I've not adjusted as a fan.

to understand that These games are make or break to get the number one seed. Yeah, and I and I admittedly, like, I'm a quite I'm a robotic sports viewer. I don't know if sitting in the press box behind the glass for too long just like destroyed my brain and didn't let me process it other than like in an analysis mode, but Um it was It was interesting to live that vicariously through you. Bart, I want to circle back to something, but you guys keep t Do this. Do this.

Well, I'll answer the question. Answer the question. I was going to kick it back over to you, Bart. Jordan Love had a the guy. Quarter.

He is becoming more and more getting like closer to you, anointing him, the guy, giving him the guy money. I feel like Granddad's bluff behind me brings out a sense of youth in my face. The lighting's good. Yeah. I like it.

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Alright, I gotta answer Paul's question about Jordan love. Jordan Love. God damn it. Yeah. You like that song?

He'll be the worst cornerback ever. That was a Bart a Barton Horvey special when they were very, very angry. Nobody wanted him until the third round. But Good Kings needs to make his own legacy. Forget the fact you've got a three-time MVP as your quarterback.

It's not about Todd'll doubt if you're Brian Goodickens. It's not about me. One not done. One not done. Jody love you'll be the worst quarterback ever.

Wow. Oh, we love Rogers.

So we'll push that away Odyssey. Odyssey. Uh I only have that on the ready. That was uh four sixteen twenty-one. Because Jordan loved bookmarks.

Friend of Joe. I always thought that was you, I'm not gonna lie. Jordan love bookmarks? I thought it was for a while. I don't have a burner.

That well. No need. Yeah I should. I was going to say, maybe you should get one. I'd get a lot less text from old bosses.

Yeah. Uh he said Perhaps too soon for another Pearl Jam parody. Perhaps Uh you could do Jordan love for Jeremy. Clearly I remember picking on the boy.

So Hit me with a, like, what would the chorus sound like of Jordan, aka Jeremy? Jordan loved one uh Another game. Although the nature of that song, I don't think it lends itself to much parody. Nope. You're right.

Forgot about the context. Tim will edit that out in post. Thank you for playing that, by the way. I haven't heard that in a while. You guys seem to know the words.

Dude, I listened. I'll speak from like I listened to that. a decent number of times. Yeah. I am taking that part out of the YouTube because There's music.

Monetization. I don't need the ED4. Do you think Jordan Love is the guy? Capital T capital G I would I would like to reference a few things that I've seen As I Please. Sidewind my way into the answer.

Yeah. This is definitely a sideline. Go for it. I've seen two accounts that I'd like to mention. Um one I need to talk to this individual.

I shouldn't mention him here, but I need to talk to him. He runs the account NFL Outdated. His name is Andy. He's been on my show. He's the Bears fan I talked to this summer and.

When I was thinking, the Bears might be good. It was a good eye on the enemy. I remember that. Oh, I do want to read this from Matt in the Falls. He said he was he was listening to the show And he had sent me a note.

Um Is there a time in the episode where you will acknowledge Justin Fields will be in the XFL in two years?

So It's not looking good. My QB won that draft was Justin Fields. My QB won another draft was Baker Mayfield. Done with the QB1 talk. I think is what I need to be.

But you know, you know who Jordan, who you can thank for that, Justin Fields. You can thank Mike Clemens, number one. Coach? Luke Getze. Luke, oh yeah, I think the Bears are ruining him.

I said this, I've said this, and I'll. But the same way that Draymond Green got absolute best scenario. Yes. Jordan Field Jordan Fields.

So anyway, this Andy guy. He's tweeting. Packers are going to go 6-11. Love sucks. They'll have a new quarterback next year.

He is so clearly. I I see what he's doing. Emotions have taken over a take. And now instead of just being like, all right, I've said some stuff. I'll remember, I'll come back if that happens.

Oh, he's quadrupling down. And it's just, it's, it's sick. Jordan Love. Is is clear that bar. The other guy I wanted to mention, and this one makes more sense.

Is uh Ross Uglum? Who covers the team, writes about him stuff. He's very apologetic. And he's like, I want him to be good. But there are accuracy issues.

That After four years, I don't think they get fixed. Like, Jordan Love's been inaccurate. with some of his throws. And he doesn't think that that's something that you fix.

Now, you can fix accuracy. After two tree beers. You're a much better dart player.

So you can you can get better. Accuracy. And also, I think you can improve accuracy. I think you can. I think you can with practice.

Um, I some people are like, not everyone's gonna be fucking Hawkeye, Glenn Barton, okay. But you can. B Uh accurate. I think that Jordan Love is... A good quarterback.

I think that he has. His fourth quarter That's the most that I take away from anything. The fact that they were able to come back, he ran when he needed to. Uh he he just never Wilted or wavered. There was no.

Like somebody on our stream said on our Dan Shaney YouTube postgame stream. Dan Shaney Insurance.

Someone said Rogers wouldn't have won that game. He would have been so frustrated. Yeah. There are some Smear Rogers. After this game, you could put together a pretty compelling.

I'm not saying it would be fair, but you could arrange the bullet points and say, Oh, yeah. No, I kind of agree. You could. With this young of a team. But love is one of them.

You know, they clearly love this guy. You see it in the post-game. If you're a lawyer who wanted to make an argument that Jordan Love is dog shit. Could also. There's enough tape.

I don't think you can make a Jordan love his dog shit. I don't you could you could make a Jordan love his super duper mid I don't think you can make a he's missing some throws. He can't seem to connect with him and Musgrave have Rogers MVS disease. On Jordan Love's worst day, this, like, in his worst drive this season. There are at least five to eight quarterbacks and starting quarterbacks in the NFL who have been.

worse. than Jordan Love's worst drive. Like. The bottom 25% tier of starting quarterbacks of the league. Are so bad, and love is clearly not even.

remotely even at his worst, I think, in that category of You know, bottom eight, bottom 25, but no, so what I guess what I'm saying is, I think he's good, and I've seen enough. You know, you can show the bad, I've seen enough of the good. Uh where I would be happy to have him be. the quarterback for many years. The only problem is in today's NFL, if that's the case.

You have to give him $45 million. That's right. And If he's going to do that, he needs to be more. Because I don't is he going to be a top seven quarterback? You know, I think that I don't think we really think we're going to go from Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer.

But if Jordan Love is good, if he's and we always say Dak Because Dak is kind of floating in that tier. I would have said Tua, but now Tua is like the best player in the league.

Well, I mean, they're playing very well. He's the quarterback for a super genius-led team. But yeah. You know, Daniel Jones clearly is right in the middle of. We could do better, but we could very easily do worse.

I mean, he's because he does play well at times. Um You know, we're not like Zach Wilson territory where Joe Namath is rolling out of his grave to say bench this fucking guy. Yeah, that was an interesting, yeah.

So what I would ask, I think a poll question would be. Who would you rather have as the Packers quarterback? Uh going forward this season. Jordan Love. Or Brock Purdy.

Jordan Love. Jordan Love. So is Brat pretty good? I like Rock Birdie. I die, but I don't, he's so.

He saw system. But is he? What is that a? Is that a Like, is that an insult? I don't know.

The Niners need someone to push the ball down the field effectively. And Brock Hardy does that. Doesn't matter if he's. Sidearm and throws or just being like, Elio, you're open.

So, I guess Mac Purdy is good. Grant, weren't you the guy that was saying that you're leading the charge against the. negative Like people saying that system quarterback or game managers are bad. Oh, yeah. I want to, I want to make, I'm fighting back against the negative stigma of game managers.

Game managers win football games. You know, those black people running around, toe-tapping sideline, back shoulder throws are great, but do they win consistently in the postseason? I don't know. It's funny. I watched Brock Purdy in the Niners last Thursday night, and I saw it.

I saw Tom Brady, not because I was like, holy balls on a cat. Brock Purdy looks unbelievable, but it's third and 12, and he's zinging a perfect ball to Debo on a screenplay behind the line of scrimmage. And wouldn't you know it, Debo picks it up? You know what I mean? They got some Tom Brady stuff where it's like he's checking it down on third and long, and his offense is getting it.

Well, because the Niners have, there's never, it's. Third and It's never third and long for the Niners. They always get 16 when they need 15. They always get 19 when they need 20. And a lot of that, yeah, some of that, you know, around him.

Watching that game against the Giants, it was like, oh, it's third and they got in a lot of third and longs. But then McCaffrey, Debo. Jawan Jennings. And it was never like fitting a ball deep into double coverage for 30 yards. It was a little bubble screen that Debo easily ran for 20 on third and 16.

It's very very Brady-esque.

Okay, so still the sample size is three like we're not counting anything prior it's three games right So some of these deep balls that are close to connecting and You know, there was the one in the end zone. Who was that too that it was underthrown? Akeath. Um You know, the receivers also Bricked a lot of those passes. That was a bad game for wide receivers, Packers, wide receivers.

So, I think, I think, I think we have a tendency to want to rush into. answers that will be much more clear in December.

So let me ask you this question. I just pulled up. Like the full standings of the league, just to look at all the teams. I'm going to name the starting quarterback for the team, and you're going to tell me that if you were drafting. For just this season.

System independent.

So you don't know that Shanahan's your coordinator. You don't know that LaFleur. You don't know that Mike McDaniel. You just get one, you're starting your team, and it's just for this. You're not looking out long term, you're just looking at it right now, just this season.

Let's count how many you would take before you would draft Jordan Live.

So Tua, yes. Tua, right? Would you take two of first? Yeah. No, I take Left.

Wow, okay. Um Yeah.

Okay. Well, 'cause two of his brains um are smashed eggs. That's not nice. No, I would take two. I would take two.

So we're going to grant you voted against, but we're going to go two to one. We take two. No, Grant, come on. Why? You're taking Jordan love over Tua?

So we can say Brock Purdy is a product of his environment, but we can't maybe suggest that, I don't know, to a. benefits a lot. You gotta grade him to a scale. He's left-handed. Yeah.

All right, so let's Can we not argue Jordan Love versus Tua? I think I would just rather. You, you, I think there's an argument to be made, but I think right now, and it's terrible what the way that Bart said it, but you do have to take into account too is. Availability for head-related regions, which is terrible to say, but it's true.

Okay, so by his brain is smashed eggs. We're not even scrambled. I would like it if you rephrase that next time.

Okay, so two away. Josh Allen.

Okay. Headache salad this week. Sandwich is good. Yes. Mac Jones, no.

I'm going to skip Aaron Rodgers and I'm going to say Zach Wilson. No. I would take love over Kenny Pickett, right? Likewise. Lamar Jackson goes over Jordan Love.

And, Bart, you can stop me if you disagree. Um Love over to Sean Watson. Yeah. Joe Burrowson was 27 to 33, people forget. Stop me if I'm Joe Burrows over love.

So, so far, we have four that you go over love. Four out of eight. Right now, we've got four out of eight. Um, Anthony Richardson or Jordan Love? I'll go love.

I just don't think I can't I can't I can't do that. I have to I had to tear. Is it? Here's a tough one. CJ Stroud.

Or Jordan Love? Hey, Paul. There's not enough evidence to answer any of these questions. No, you're just drafting, and just tell me who you would take for this season. Go ahead.

Paul was the captain of the anti-C.J. Stroud strike force in draft prep, by the way. Yeah, he was. People have not forgotten about that. No, nor should they.

I'm going to take Jordan Lowe because I got to stick to the bit. Um we have four For sure. Trevor Lawrence, yes.

Okay, now we're at five. Tannehill, no, we're still at five. Patrick Mahomes, yes, that's six. Garoppolo, no. Herbert, yes, that's seven.

Russell Wilson, no, that's still seven.

So Let's just keep going.

So we have seven so far through the AFC. Jalen Hurts, yes, that's eight. Dak Prescott. Yes, that's nine. I'd rather have Jordan Lowe.

How can you say that already? Uh Because I know what Dak is, and I don't think that Dak's best is. Oh, so you're okay. I'm always betting on upside. Always.

This is an upside.

So, this is like a what's behind door number two thing? This is a league that rewards great. I don't want to settle for good on my team.

Okay. Okay, so we have eight or nine, depending on your DAC opinion. Sam Howell would be Jordan Love. Daniel Jones, I would take Jordan Love over Daniel Jones. Mm-hmm.

So we're at eight and Daniel Jones slander. My god, we're at eight and a half. Jordan, Jared Goff, I would take love. Um Cur cousins I would take love. Fields, I would take love.

Easily. Ritter, I would take love. Ritter's not an NFL quarterback. Derek Carr, I would take love. I'd take anyone over Carr.

Baker Mayfield, I would take love. Bryce Young, I would take love. Rock Purdy, I would take love. Geno Smith, I would take love. I'd take him over Stafford.

Matt Stafford, and let's even say Kyler.

So we came up with eight, or maybe only eight, maybe we're total homers, but we only came up with eight or nine quarterbacks. That would be drafted ahead of him right now. I mean, is that like that seems ridiculous? Yeah, I think you're being Homer, yeah. But like worst case, you add three, but worst case, you add three more to that list, and you're like, no, I would take Kenny Pickett, or no, I would take Brock.

Well, there's a lot you can, there's a lot of debates to be made. But even if you coin-flip some of those coin flips and it went the other way, you're still only at like 12 or 13. He's still in the top half of. The QB you would draft right now to lead your franchise. I'll say that he's in the top, he's a top half quarterback.

I can already, like, and you could exactly eighth or ninth according to our. Homer little test here. All right. Any other thoughts on yeah, I did, I just I'm not just like I'm not ready to. You know, when my friend was telling me Last week texting.

that he like is terrible. Hmm. At the deep ball, I'm not ready to go there, but I'm also not ready to say he's a top 10 quarterback right now.

Well then how could Well, sorry, I'm looking at the list. You can hear me, right? Oh, you have your notes, yeah. I have my notes.

So Okay, well we can we can we can move on. I don't know, he's twelve. Is that good? Well, I mean, like, seems like if you put a couple guys who are coin flips ahead of him, he's still. 12th like and that would mean that you'd probably be being putting Purdy ahead of him You'd be putting like.

picket or car or goth, you know, some of like maybe the coin flippy ones. I'd say he's in the. You can make arguments. He's in the Stroud. Pick it.

Purdy. Pickett. No, he's not in the picket tier. Pickett is a tier below. What can I ask you guys this?

So I feel like I'm higher on these other quarterbacks. It's not I'm lower on Jordan. I'm higher on these other guys. What would be your most. Hardcore, shocking.

I would take Jordan Love over this guy. Like, who's the one quarterback that you would take Jordan Love over that most people wouldn't? Like, you got to have one. Right. Like, I was like, I think I'd take him over two eye.

Well, it sounds like Barton I would disagree on Pickett. I would. I would say that. I would do the same. I would take him over.

You know, even like anything like not in football aside, I haven't even, I don't know. I'm not even like saying I would take him over picket or picket over love, I'm saying. That's a 30-minute conversation, not a. Oh, pick it.

Well, you can give it a gut reaction. I would take him over. I don't think it's controversial to say you would take love over Deshaun Watts. But I'm not in sports radio right now. I don't do gut reactions.

I'm in podcasting where it's long form discussion. Oh, Jesus Christ. Everyone in podcasts, like it's good that we, it's good that we could sit down and do this in long form. 98% of conversations that happen on podcasts do not need long form. All of these things that are talked about on podcasts could be done in three minutes.

Yeah, that's why I've always felt like this is basically a sports radio show, right? It's just a podcast. I think the most controversial one is Grant to answer your question. And I can say fucking titties and. Scrambled eggs.

Yes, Paul? The controversial ones would probably be Pickett, Watson. Stroud. Oh no, Watson's ass. Watson's cooked.

I love, I'm with you. I just I wonder I wonder if you asked like. A good sample of NFL fans. You get Watson or you get Love. Like.

Would love win that poll. Yeah, you're going to take this, aren't you? And you're going to ponder the wording for the next 24 hours before you find the nine examples. Any other controversial ones? I mean, Toby would take love over Howell, right?

Even Toby would, right? Howell is Toby would not. No way. Howell's kind of a fun one. I'm kind of excited to see what he is.

It's a tough week for Toby to say Sam Howell after throwing four picks and losing by 40. But it's your game. Yeah. No, I don't. I'm just, I don't.

Do you think Jordan Love loses a game by 40 at some point this season? Yeah. You think Daniel Jones versus love, that's controversial. That's gotta be controversial to go love, right? No, I Again, I know what Daniel Jones is.

Yeah. I'm pretty sure that he's not going to be anything more than that. This is a league you have to bet on upside always. And I think, I mean, now that Daniel Jones has been memed. It's Oh, with the Niners' defense.

I would also, on the topic of the Giants, I like Brian Dable a lot. But I don't know when it happened last year. He just ended up as a top 10 coach. Just like. Like that.

And I just don't like when we do that to guys because now we got to turn around and say Brian Dable wasn't as good as we all thought, but he never should have been put in. in those places. I don't know. I'm going to pause the recording for 40 seconds so I can go hug my son goodbye.

Okay. I mean, you can leave it going. Paul and I can BS. We are remotely capable. All right, go ahead, ask your next question.

Grant, I don't know what to do. Bart left. I feel like I. Oh, come on. Don't be Tim Shay about it.

I don't know what to do. Uh grant, I don't think I'm gonna go to this in long form. But here's what I think. It's always long form with you. Yes, what were you gonna say?

I was pondering, and I want to ask you guys this question maybe in a week or two or three, but who the non-Jordan love. Packers MVP is so far. It's a fun one. I mean shoot. Name some contenders for that list.

Rashawn Gary, because he's having a three-sat game, but he's not playing a lot, but when he's playing, he's super impactful. Can he say I'd say Dobbs? Because he's carried the wide receiver group. Yeah. I just think Aaron Jones is there.

Their guy that they can 100% trust. Like I'm third and one. They can hand him the ball and think he's going to get it. They can tell him to go run an angle route or to do something like you can 100% trust that Aaron Jones is going to be in the right position and execute and catch the ball, most likely. And I don't really think you can.

Well, we saw on Sunday, you can't trust Jaden Reed yet to do that all the time. Saw in Atlanta, you can't trust AJ Dillon. Even just in week one. Packers third down against the Bears early on at Soldier Field, and Romeo Dobbs is getting open, making the catch. Like, he's just been really good.

And it hasn't been sexy and flashy, maybe like Christian Watson can be at his best, but yeah. Hmm. She's just pencil effective. Is there would it be like if you did a poll on this, would it be so? Bart, we're not going to ask the question, but we're going to think about it for future weeks.

Packers MVP. That's not Jordan Love so far. I think the contenders. Are Dobbs? Kenny Clark, Rashawn Gary, and who would be a fourth like consideration?

Zach Tom. I mean, Rashid Walker has been pretty damn good the last two weeks. His Bakhtiari's been out. He has. I thought about Walker.

I just didn't know if because he didn't play in that first game, if that's enough to punish him. I don't know. Um That's a good question. A.J. Dillon.

Read. You know what was cool about my first thought was Gary, even though he's like barely playing. I think I would vote for Rashawn Gary over Dobbs slightly as the non-Jordan Love MVP so far. Do we still like? How did the Saints not?

How did they, how did they lose? They suck. They were real, I mean, they benefited from that. Oh my gosh. You guys watch the announcement like the speed of Rashid Shaheed.

Like, they just made a meal out of that. Um But that special teams touchdown was the They did like the Saints didn't do anything. Except for one drive for an entire game with Carr or with Winston. It was, you know, but special teams play like that changes everything. And it made it seem like it was a blowout when.

Offense versus defense, it wasn't, but you know, a 76. Seamus, were they? I haven't watched this fourth quarter yet. Again, I'm still. I'm still trying to process like Because they would get the ball and just not do shit.

Yeah, they just didn't do anything. Their O-line's not any good, and they were missing all their running backs. And Rashawn Gary, in his limited snaps, completely disrupted, like Miles Garrett level disrupted. Whoa. Yeah.

The Packers were on their what, fifth string cor cornerback? Against Chris Olave, like they should have been able to crack. And we already don't like the safeties. Although Darnell Savage, I think, has been. It's been better than a lot of people would think.

He's actually been okay. I would like to bring up something Taylor Swift-related. Oh, I have one coming here. You ready? Yeah.

Should we move into that? Yeah. Grant seemed extremely good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's do it.

Yeah. So I was Told I had to ask a Taylor Swift one. I was, of course, already pondering one. But then, Bart, you had a tweet from someone that said, as soon as that begins, I am leaving.

Well, hey, I was doing the national Megan Perloff. with the Weidos and the Purple Drinkers listening on board. And I I I thought you know how I've always been like You can do stuff, but you gotta focus sports. Yeah. This Taylor Swift thing It's just I think it's just fun.

I think it's just a fun one. It's a fun one. It's an undeniably fun one. What I wanted to we'll go ask your question.

Well, okay, and then this will, I mean, what I'm trying to do is, I'm trying to open the door here for you to say whatever you want on the topic while at least addressing it in a way that I find. Interesting. There is no bigger. Sports, pop culture, possible crossover. You cannot name.

a bigger needle moving Crossover topic. than Taylor Swift going to an NFL game. I mean, if she was there for Rodgers.

Well All bets are off because Rogers. Rogers is now a celebrity that plays football. That's an interesting I mean honestly Travis Kelsey Is on the verge of becoming that overnight, a celebrity.

Well, he's hosted SNL. He's got this podcast everyone loves, and Donna Kelsey hit the mainstream a little bit. And everybody, but this is like these memes are wherever where it's like. Uh, 15-year-old girls Monday morning, and all of a sudden their whole room is cheap. His jersey sales went up 400%.

Yeah. So, I don't think this is like a Hollywood, I don't think this is like Tom Cruise, Katie Holmes situation. What I think, I think is. He said something. She heard it.

They laughed. They're like, well, let's, you know, let's meet. They met. Nick, you should come to my game. That'd be funny.

I'll sit you. And then they like went to dinner after.

So they're not, I don't. This might spur something, but I think it was all like just harmless. You know, fun. And Taylor was up for it. Uh I'm I just can't I love her.

But Um I I well, okay, so the thing I wanted to say, because I think everything Lot's been said. Another thing that I brought up on the Nationals show. The National Show. Why am I saying that? Main birth, Jesus Christ.

Cough, cough, cough. Cough, cough, cough. It happened against the Bears. Yeah. The Bears who Then the same calendar year had Rogers say, I own you, I own you.

Then go through whatever shit they were going through. Not only do they have to go to Arrowhead after a no good, very bad, rotten week, but then Taylor Swift is there and she gets more coverage on the game than the actual Bears. The Bears are. The Bears, of course, this would happen against the Bears. That's what I might think is the funniest.

The Bears. Like if this was Chiefs Dolphins They show Taylor a little bit. No, no, no. They showed her maximum because it was against a shitty team. And it wasn't a game.

They needed some story. They needed some. It's not a game. Yeah, exactly. But Taylor Swift would have been.

the predominant conversation even in a close game. I don't think so, no. It's not just that she was there. She's sitting next to Travis Kelsey's fucking mom. Go and let's fucking go.

Yeah. And everyone knows she's an Eagles fan. Everyone knows that. People forget. I'm taking a drug.

Grant, this is your favorite topic, mm-hmm or mm-mm. I think. No, I see. No. I think Taylor Swift is just the best.

He represents. What are you doing? She represents what is great. About our country, and you would have to be a misogynist and an asshole to feel any differently. That's what I think about Taylor Swift.

I had no problem with her being on the game, it was entertaining. It was like, oh, I gave her too much coverage.

Well, what the? It was 35 to nothing in halftime. Like, what did you want them to do on Fox? Kevin Burkhart and Greg Olson need something to talk about. She's the, so I think she's the biggest star.

I was, I forget what this is where I heard this, but it was something like the biggest star since like 1980s, Michael Jackson. Like, there's no bigger needle mover. in terms of engagement and conversation than prime Michael Jackson and Yeah. I was trying to think, like, could any athlete or any celebrity go to a concert or go to a thing? That would be a bigger deal.

Is there any other Crossover situation where an athlete goes to a concert, where a celebrity goes to a game, where an athlete appears in a movie. Is there anything that could happen that would be? bigger than Taylor Swift going to an NFL game. I don't think so.

I don't think it's the close. Like, I don't think there's any celebrity who would move the needle. Going into another domain, another pop culture domain than this, right? Back to my, back to my uh. Thinking that I think aliens missed their window.

I think Martians could have come down and bought a box. And they would have gotten less coverage than Taylor Swift. Like at one point, they'd be like, Oh, let's look at some celebrities here. Oh, there's this guy, this guy, some aliens are here. That's pretty unique.

What they ignore about net later.

Okay, Melissa Star on the field. Melissa. Aaron Andrews isn't going. Patrick, you played in front of. Uh Beings from another planet.

What do you think? Have you had a chance? I don't know. I didn't see him there. That's pretty interesting.

But it's Did you feel more pressure to throw a patch to Travis Kelsey in the end zone knowing that these beings from another planet were here? No way. The question would still be about to go swift. Yeah. I think a sitting president would have to go to a an event.

For it to be even close to as big of a deal, but I still don't think it would be as big or bigger of a deal. I don't, yeah, I don't think it would be. I thought about the president thing and probably is a little late. It's getting a little close to bedtime for. for President Biden.

I have nothing but respect for the office.

So I president President Biden. I just meant anything. He's not a I brought up a Taylor Swift topic now. Grand is off and it's all the world. All right.

Anything else to say on this part? And Grant, I know you have so much more to say, but I'm going to pause you. No, it's just, I hate. I hate the Taylor Swift cycle. This is what I hate.

I don't really dislike her. I don't have a problem with her. What happens is she gets with someone, and they're all like, oh, this is fun. And then her fans find every bit of information about this person that's ever existed ever on the internet, and one problematic thing they did one time. And then we, oh no, Taylor's with this person.

We're so concerned. And then inevitably, they're going to break up. And then her fan base will cyberbully that individual within an inch of their life. And then she'll write a song about it, and we'll all go dumbo fucking nuts for it. And then she'll do it again in eight months.

And it'll be, and it'll be great. I love it.

It would be interesting if. She wound up with a football player. Of all kinds of funny. of all professions, of all walks of life, that it was uh And especially kind of like a hardcore dude football guy, too. Like the Kelseys are like, they're, you know.

They're rough and tumble. They're the kids.

Well, maybe she needs a real man. She's with all these evil guitar slinging fucks. Yeah. Ma imagine Matt Healy meeting Travis Kelsey. They are not the same.

The rumored one before this was Matt Healy, who's a total nerd. I don't like it. She's been hanging out on the wrong side of the high school. Finally, she goes over to where the jocks and the cool kids eat. Is there, let's stick to, let's hashtag stick to sports and look at this from a sports perspective.

Is there a larger fish? For a professional athlete to land as a partner than Taylor Swift. Could you go in? I don't think you could go any higher. I don't, again, to go back to the president, Kamala Harris would not be as big of a deal if you could somehow land, married Kamala Harris.

How do you fight the rest of the United States?

Okay. Okay. And second of all, she's very happy with Doug. Yeah. And third of all, you mentioned the Taylor Swift cycle.

I hope that you keep cycles in mind, specifically bicyclist. Because this time of the year. Things get pretty... Things are pretty dicey. During the uh commuting hours, especially we're not used to it getting darker.

earlier. Paul, get back on here for Wisconsin Bike Fed. You look like you're ashamed to be involved with them. And I know that's not what's happening, but it looks like you're taking a stand against an advertise. It's a bad one.

I am consulting my notes. Yeah, I know. I know that's what you're doing. But on the video, it looks like you're like, I don't stand for this message. I want kids to get drilled in the street.

All right. Go ahead, I'll look at my notes when this is done. Turn your lights on, slow down, look around. Just don't I am the more I talk about this, the more I find myself being cognizant. of How much of a terrible driver I am.

Like, I've always thought I'm a good driver. I can get places fast. I can. I know the back roads. I've always thought that, like, if you're in a car, you want to be with me.

I never thought that about the danger I'm doing in a car to others.

So even if this message just affects me. Who knows how many lives I've saved this month? By not driving like A maniac. Wisconsin bike fed. Dot com.

Bart, what's the name of the league that Manchester United plays in? Yeah. Wow. Well, I'm not going to say the Premier League. I was going to say that sarcastically before I even realized what was.

What was going on here?

So it's not I would j I would refer to it as EPL. What's the E? English. English Premier League. English Premier League.

Premier League. This is how I was. Uh Brian Windhorst went full mature. on us And he was like, yeah, and then the Premier League. And I was like.

All right, fuck off. Like, that's it. It's the premier. It's the Premier League, Brian. Um.

But he went premiere, and so I had to see what a true soccer aficionado. It's premiere. But I'm in that. But are you are you gonna go like if you if you said hey I'm I'm gonna watch this Game. Oh, what game?

Oh, you know, it's whatly? How would you really say it? I'd say Premier League. You say premiere legs.

So you're not. You're not that mature. I've told you my most mature thing that I do is I spell theater R E. Which is extremely mature. Even when it tells me not to When it gives me the red squigglies, I say, Fuck you.

Fuck you smell, Jack. I do not know the origin of the R E and the E R at the end of theater. Do you know the? Do you know?

Well, that's like a America. Yeah, that's the Canadian or the French Canadian favorite. I do know that one. I just could pick the one. I think, well, no, I have another, hold on, intermission.

Grant, how would you have said it? Premier League? Premier League. Okay. How about this?

How about this one real quick? It's a food. P-E-C-A-N. Pecan. Yeah.

Yeah. Pecan pie. I hear a lot of pecan, and I think that's. I don't get it's it's pecan. Pecon?

First of all, it's caramel before we ever get close to that discussion. It's not caramel. I don't know where people get off saying it like that. Hey, Paul, it's. Pete Kanye, stop talking like an asshole.

Grant, there is an A in the middle of the car and the Mel. I also say caramel, but I don't know that you miss the A in the middle if you say caramel. You know what really chaps my fucking ball sack is. Uh Just let me say jaguars. No, just let me say it.

No, you said we're. On Tuesday's episode, you said, with Tim, you caught yourself. He said, Falcons. I'm like, you're better than me. I've commandeered to the people, and I've trained myself to say Falcons.

It sounds funny. You're not fully good at it yet. You're good. Falcons. I hate saying it that way.

There you go.

But Jaguars is mine. What about like how they would say it where they make the vehicles Jaguar? Yeah, Jaggie wire. Jaggie wire. Do you like luxury?

Last intermission. Uh veteran. Veteran. David Baxiar is a 10th year. Blank player in the league.

Uh veteran. Vet veter veteran, yes vet vet trim veteran. But is a former member of the armed services a veteran or are they also a veteran? Are they spelled the same? Are these he's a veteran?

Uh I love It's more. Esteemed. Mm-hmm. Former member of the Armed Forces is a veteran. a player in the league and a league is a veteran of the team, a veteran of the league.

Yeah. I think so. That's racks. I'm teaching my kid, you know, how like private parts are meant to be private. It is.

So he's got to shut the door and I'm teaching him to say because he wants his privacy. Are you gonna tell him it's aluminium? Uh privac daddy, I need my privacy. That would be amazing. As a society, we're getting way too loose with the phrase: I'm not privy to that information.

We don't need to say that. That's.

That's true. How would you say it instead? I'd say, I'm not fucking know, man. Yeah, I'm not in the loop on that. I don't know that.

We're getting a little too high and mighty. Also, The usage of the word poise. It's not a bad word. I haven't heard poise my entire life. My entire life, out of every time I've heard the word poise, doesn't come close to the last three days.

Every Packers player, every Packers meetup, well, Jordan Love, he's so. He's so poor. Poised. He's so poised back there. We're just going a little nuts with the usage of that word, too, while we're on the subject.

I love it.

I only do this podcast now so I can ask you these intermissions, and the rest is just for you guys. We're languists on this podcast. That's what we're doing. Love it. Is it languist or is it linguists?

Langiar. Lastly, Bucks Media Day is this week, right? Are we going as a trio? I think it's Monday, yeah. Definitely, like all three of us, without question, would just be welcomed.

With our Bart Winkler podcast. I wish the purveyor, the owner, and operator of the NBA Lounge could be there, but I don't think I'm going to be able to make it. I'll just get the latest from our friend Justin Garcia. The Bucks radio network. I think I could get there if they want.

If I think they'd let me go, you should, and you should have Bustin on sometime. And then put a piece of paper in front of Yannis that says. You were listening to the Bart Winkler postgame. We're trying to do that tonight at Swimming if he's there. There you go, bring it to s bring it to swim class.

All right. It's been a pleasure. This was fun. Nice to see you both. Have a great week.

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