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Go Good afternoon, everybody. My name is Bart Winkler. Welcome. Into The Winkler Verse. With the Bruce Banner.
Okay. of the show. Grand Bills. I was wondering who was going to be Mark Strong. Mm-hmm.
Rage problems. I don't know that any of that is true of me. And the Clint Barton of the show, Paul Imig. No real superpowers. But he can do it all.
Yeah. Hi guys. That's hot. I really like that a lot. Yeah.
Hake. That's good stuff. That's good stuff. Hake was a good show. People shit on Hake.
Hake was a good show. I have not seen the show, but I really always liked the character Hawkeye.
Well, it's uh it's set at Christmas time, so it's a good one to watch around Christmastime. The series is just one season? Mm-hmm. Okay. So how is everybody doing?
The Packers are still. In the playoffs, and I talk about this on my National show. Who? I know that show. of which I have a few Fires to put out.
Yeah, I wasn't on there the last two nights. I did Gilb Wednesday, I had off Tuesday and Some guy Some guy called the show and was like. I'm not listening anymore 'cause Bart. But not like he didn't like me, like I was a jerk. What?
Yeah, because he tried calling Gelb's show and they never told me he was on the phone.
So it's my fault. Oh. Yeah. So now he's going on the show and I'm not there trashing me. Yeah.
That's what happens on our network. All of our listeners that don't like my show call into the morning show to drag me. That's yeah. It's like if y you got you got finite space in a day. Talk about sports.
We don't need to be. And another thing that I'm going to put an end to. Is uh When people call and say, I was already telling your producer, I was already telling your call screener. I was talking we were talking off the air. But like Shep does a lot more than screen the calls, okay?
But to be clear, but to be clear, Shep is the one that I didn't know if that was part of his role or if he was running the board or both. He's doing it all. He's the only one back there. Wow, really? Yeah, so he's doing it all.
Yeah. not act like he's piloting a space shuttle okay he's let me let me let me tell you from let me tell you from my perspective i'm very adamant that my producer is a phrase that does not come out of my mouth Yes. Grant, the only reason I react to that way is because I guess I just always assumed once you reached the national level, there might be more than one person doing all of it. There is another like there's another guy there like cutting up highlights. Yeah.
But he's not like. Pressing the buttons. Yeah. And now I have the system where I can bring the callers on and off. Oh.
Cool. I can hang, I can put them on air. That's. groundbreaking to me. Yeah.
I can do that. You always, always ran your own board, right? I miss doing it, yeah. I bet you probably are bored. Yeah.
I I missed the drops. Yeah. I miss being able to just go to a cut.
So on this Winklerverse show. You know, like Grant, you were saying they call the morning show to drag you. Are people going to call the Ramy and Drew show to drag mm-hmm? Or how's that going to work? They might, or Tony's Spaces have been a good spot for that, I think.
I'm conflicted about Rami's show, like, 'cause I want to support Rami, but Also Yeah. His internet seems questionable, and like he took three takes to get. I'm just teasing Nirami, but like, um. Yeah. Well, the first show that I did with Toby and Tim was in my My shit was all fucked.
I know it takes a while, but I thought it was funny that Rami, in the first minute, said. All right, I know how to cut a lot of things, but I know how to cut the intro, so I'm definitely going to cut that. And then do the, but he aired all this. I thought that was. Yes.
That's funny. At least, at least. The into the Winkler version of it.
So I don't yet have. The Rami.
So I don't know if he cut it on the Rami. No, I didn't. I just posted what he gave me. He left it in there. He left both intros.
Yeah. He's like, You want to post this to help me? I go, Fuck, I'm going to make. A couple of bucks off this for the ads that are running, and I'll post whatever the fuck you want. I'll bunch a show every day.
Yeah. Yeah, anyway, we're not doing that. We're posting this show, brought to you by our good friends at Tupelo Honey. tubulahoneycafe.com. Is where you can go and make your reservations.
I went there, as I said earlier this week, I went there on Sunday morning. After uh I went to the Bucs Warriors game. You came in with the breeze. on Sunday morning. Oh, with the cold air?
No. That's a. Mm-hmm. Don't know it. No doubt.
I know, like the three. You came in with the breeze on Sunday morning. I know Sunday morning. The song? By Maroon Five.
Ugh. I know Easy likes Sunday morning. I know by the Commodores. Ah see. I know I had a band.
That's someday. Never mind. Never mind. I was in a band in high school. And we had a song called It's Sunday morning.
And it went, it's Sunday morning. It is time to fuck! It's time to fuck! Yeah. Is that a true story?
Mm-hmm. Maybe we should restart the pod. Are you kidding? This is the best first five minutes. Late morning, it's time to fall.
Okay, now you're in my genre. Let's go.
Now you've got the screaming vocals, let's do it. Fondi wasn't ready for all that. Ooh, uh this was supposed to be a Raid for Tupelo Honeycomb. No, but we went there on Sunday morning. It's time to eat!
It grets! This is going to be your next uh Oh Gourmet Knights Popcorn, Knights Gourmet, Popcorn.
So we went on Sunday morning. The place was packed. People Love this food so much. It was like negative 10 degrees. And guess what kind of service we had?
Tremendous. Were the Jonas brothers there this time? They were not, but. My brother was a four-time NBA champion. Yes.
And so he uh Was there my wife and my kid? My kid, who is not a fan.
So tubellow honeycafe.com. Sign up. and get your ass there. My kid doesn't like mm-hmm mm-mm. Oh no.
What a dick. Maybe not the specific show, but he doesn't like. He was asking me questions the other day when I put him to bed. And I go. Mm-hmm.
Mm-mm. Instead of yes or no. He goes, Daddy, why are you doing that noise? I said, what noise? He goes, why you not say yes or no?
I'm like, this is a different way to say it. Say yes or no. Does he like buy or sell? Yeah, big by yourself, man.
Okay. Good. Offsides, on sides. He's Luke Warm on. Sega, why do you say buy or sell?
Why not you just say yes or no? Do you use the same? Is it new voicers or the same ones we used? Can I? I actually.
Buy, I just made a buy or sell intro for Bill's show. Can I play? I want the, I need the old, I mean, buy. Or sell.
So hold on, I'm going to move you over. Closer to this Q speaker, so Paul, we do have the buy or sell. Oh. For whom the bell tolls was playing.
So, this is the buy or sell voice, obviously. Buy or sell. But then I have, God, that just rips. Buy? Then I have.
So it's the same ones from back then? The same voice? Yeah. Basically, this is what I made. It's real short here.
You guys judge this. Here it is. In the world of sports, a lot of people say a lot of things. On crack! I want Igbodala.
But what passes the big unit test? It's time for buy or sell on the Bill Michael Show. That's okay. Right? Oh, I thought, wait, who, who, why the random I want Iguadala?
Where does that come from? That was Max Kellerman. That was Keller. That was Keller, Kells. What made you choose that random drop to insert right there?
Well, in the world of sports, a lot of people say a lot of things.
So I wanted some examples of things that. A lot of people say. I thought they came in with some pretty epic. Like it felt big. You should have dropped like a cut from me in there.
Rotate him through. See if anybody notices. Wait, was that?
So that's probably one thing I won't do. Yeah. All right. A lot of people say a lot of things. It's Sunday morning.
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How we feeling about this game this weekend, boys?
Well Oh, what happened? I don't know. You have a question on it, maybe? Yeah. Yeah.
We can approach this from a lot of different ways.
Sometimes I just ask you a question that just sets the table. But I'm going to read something to you real quick. Why are you teaching me how to do this? I'm going to read you some names. You need help, clearly.
Uh Do you know how I think the Packers should set the tone on Saturday? They should just throw chainsaws in the sky and see what offensive lineman they land on. I and it's worth it And it and it's okay to get flagged, but only if it's worth it. Yeah, it's okay. They should uh They shouldn't.
Build, they should bring those police dogs so and then and then put drugs in McCaffrey's pants. Yeah. It's all right if it's 15 yards. It's the playoffs. It'd be worth it.
It's the playoffs. Yeah. I have two package questions. And then We're going to argue about Mike McCarthy.
Okay. Okay. After the Packers' recent success in dominating playoff win. You get to apologize to one person. In the Packers universe, play that would you think that would be a flag?
What? James McCaffrey had drugs on him. And police dogs got him, do you think? He would also get a flag. Ha ha ha.
You radio guys in your apology segments. I just want to know, but hold on. I'm going to make this very open-ended. You can apologize to a player, a coach, front office member, or even a specific fan. I don't know.
Up to you. You would apologize. First and foremost. To Maliflor. Mm-hmm.
Or mm-mm. And assuming yes, who are the other contenders? I'm just kind of curious. Where are your top three? I don't know that I own that.
Give me your mount give me your Mount Rushmore of Packers apologies that you owe. I owe them too, by the way. I don't know that I owe Matt LaFlore an apology. What? Yes, you're right.
For wanting them Fired? In a season where he just Jordan loved to the divisional round? For starters, yes, that would be a good place to start. That's an example, sure. Jordan look The floor What I didn't realize, guys.
Oh, you do owe Jordan Love an apology because I did come on the show with you and Horvat the next morning. And you guys, I took the like, you always draft a quarterback no matter what. And you guys are like, this guy sucks. He sucks. He's so bad.
Would he throw interceptions at you, Josh? They sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Anything I've said I've atoned for with my pro-Jordan love.
You but you have atoned For most of that, but I maybe you still apologize with Manley. I would like, I would like an apology, first of all, I would like an apology. From Aaron Rodgers. Yeah. Because he's the reason why I was mad at Matt LaFleur.
Because This was about Jordan Love getting the reins of an offense and learning the offense, right? And we saw the progression. I think what we learned early in the season was All right, he's going to be the guy. And there's a ceiling he can reach. And somehow.
He's ra like The shit that he's doing right now, you would think, oh, in year three, we hope he's that good. Yeah, he's doing it now. But Matt LaFleur also had to learn. He had to this Matt, I would say. That this was MatlaFleur's First year as a head coach.
as well. Because for the last four years He has been a partner Yes. Of Aaron Rodgers. I think that's totally fair. There's the Aaron Rodgers crew.
I tweeted something the other night about how it's so fun this year because Rodgers is gone. It's not a coincidence. And a lot of people agreed with that. And then there's still the section of like, Why you got to turn against Rogers? One guy asked, geez, get over it.
You didn't get vaccinated.
Okay. Because I'm also on record blasting Kirk Cousins and Lamar Jackson all the time for not getting vaccinated. In fact, I am not. Uh it's it's not it's like A lot of Football became less fun. Because Aaron Rodgers may be around that time.
But it's not it's not because I'm not sitting here saying something. that you could view derogatory of Aaron Rodgers. Because of the vaccine. I think that's something that People are like, why don't you get over the vaccine? What's wrong with you?
Uh bitch, the fucking mirror, son. That's what I type too. I say, ah, bitch, period. The fucking mirror, comma. Done.
But Rogers was like. You know He was he was He was in charge and he got McCarthy fired, so he gets a new guy here. I don't know. Could we say the same about Giannis and Adrian Griffin? That what, that Griffin what?
Is he really getting the coach or is he just...
Well He's the coach because Giannis wanted him to be.
So I would apologize to Matt LaFleur for. Um The Rogers effect. Was so prevalent, but I didn't see how it affected you. And I didn't see that you also. Didn't have the opportunity to blossom.
Now, Jordan Love is blossoming. You also. are getting to do things like he's running your offense. One of the things when he came over was. Because I remember George Kittle saying something like: We run plays to set up other plays.
Sometimes we run plays knowing that it's not going to work. Because we're setting it up for later.
Well, you can't do that if you just have Mr. Check out of it all the time. If there's one guy he doesn't like. Checks out of it all the time. Um So I guess I'd apologize a little floor.
Uh I should apologize to the Winklerverse. Didn't you say that he's like not even fit to coach volleyball or something not that long ago? There was a volleyball reference or rip that you had. I think you got the apology out of me. I think that's good enough.
Whatever. Uh give me your uh Okay, well actually let's pivot to Grant, who was not as harsh on LaFleur nearly as. Bart was. Grant, is LaFleur on the top of your apology list or have you got someone else up there? LaFleur isn't no, because I've been pretty pro-LaFleur.
Bart, I think you're very correct about this. It's almost like it's his first season as head coach. He's had to learn. To coach completely differently this year. It's almost like, Paul, you're a musician.
Well, he was managing, now he's coaching. Yeah. Or, like, there's all these instances throughout the years of like rock stars who had a really bad experience with drugs, or like they were in an accident and they had to learn how to play their instrument again. Yeah. Same kind of thing.
Like, Matt LaFleur is coaching football and he's coaching the Packers, but it's way different this year. And I think. Partway through the season, I remember a comment from him. He was like, We can't even get into our game plan. You remember this?
He's like, We can't even get into the things that we're practicing for. And I think at some point, A light went on, he's like, wait. I can't assume that my guys are gonna do anything crazy. Correctly.
So, if I want us to start fast, then that needs to be the game. Like, I need to be much more intentional this year. Yeah, that if I want something to happen into a game, I got to script it in there and I got to plan it. Whereas in the past, I think you could assume. certain competencies and and certain like I just assume that my team is going to be able to handle this without me saying it.
And this year, I think he realized: oh, I need to say it. Because these guys are a lot younger.
So you're completely right that Matt LaFleur had to learn how to coach again this year. And I think. With the young receivers and a lot of the young players, like that was a big problem for their early season flops and back in two. I really do like that not to just briefly interject, Grant, but I really do like that manage, he was managing, now he's coaching. If you've not used that from a national perspective, TM, trademark.
You should. I think that's a great take.
So, Grant, I did not think LaFleur is going to be yours because you did not owe him as much of one.
So, let me put you on the spot. Grant. You would like to apologize to Joe Berry? Mm-hmm. Grant needs to apologize to someone else.
Oh. Whoa. Number 52. Rashawn. Oh, you are the biggest anti-Rashawn Gary guy that I know.
First of all, I said my piece about Rashawn Gary long ago. Like I barely talk about him this year. Bullshit.
Well, in text messages, you sure do.
Well Okay. Yeah. I mean, what has he been racking up sacks a little bit? It's not like he's been terrific or anything. Yeah.
Like, I guess I'd apologize to Jair a little bit because I've been really impressed with him post-suspension. Yeah. But I also think any criticism of him Being unserious before that suspension was warranted. It's not like it was unwarranted to be critical, Tyr. Maybe not sorry, but I'll definitely give him credit for.
The things that he said and done the last couple weeks, especially that pick against Dak. Maybe not, Rashawn. He's a. He's had two games where he's had three sacks. The rest of the season, he's had three sacks.
Wow. Who were his three sack games against? Detroit And the aims. Oh, when he murdered his name. When he murdered Derek Carr.
I need to apologize to Lucas Van Ness. Wow, okay. Yeah, 'cause he uh He had a big play the other day and I was like Oh fuck, I forgot about that guy. I gotta Randy existed. I got a text when he made that play from a buddy that said, Lucas Van Ness's sister is definitely getting laid tonight.
Exclamation point. Oh no. Um Tim? Tim, you know what to do. Cut that in post.
So you're apologizing 'cause you forgot he was on the team? Yeah. He's had a perfectly fine rookie season. He might he's he's gonna be thrust Into a bigger role this weekend with the injury of JJ Enigbari, unless you listen to the Matt Schneidman show, then it's Enagbar. I don't, I don't, and I never will.
It's like Josh Maurer with the Brewers always said Luis Urias. It's like you realize you're the only one who says it like that. And now we. I would like an apology from Pat. Pat McAfee.
I look how we flip this. He's given one. You get to choose to either apologize to someone or get an apology. You would rather the apology come to you. What specifically for McApeen?
The whole thing where he's like, oh, we just assume, we assume he's a smart guy. We assume Gotokins is a smart guy. Yeah. Like, why you gotta be such a dick about it? 'Cause he's Team Aaron, that's why.
Yeah, but don't be a dick. We don't know that he's A great GM. We also don't know that he's a bad one. Like, I. I look at the Let's finish this topic because I have a Brian Gutikins.
My second Packers question is Goudekins-related.
Okay, more apologies first.
Okay. Let me say this. I. Am not ready. Maybe I should, but I'm not ready to apologize to Joe Barry.
I think you I think I think Matt LaFleur had every ri right reason to have fired him four three or four or five weeks ago after the Giants thing with DeVito and who was the other back-to-back who uh Who is the game next to Sorry, I'm looking at Bryce Young where he had the only good game of his rookie season. Credit, I don't know if I should credit LeFleur for sticking with it because, like, So when when someone's terrible I wouldn't bear. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I mean, this is a general question.
Like, if someone's really bad and all the evidence points to that person being bad, and then suddenly they're not bad anymore, and the person who had hired them. Like, does the person who hired them get credit for sticking with the guy who all the evidence suggested this person's bad, but they just couldn't pull the trigger on getting rid of that guy? Like, does that person, in this case, LeFleur? Deserve credit for not having, like, I don't know. I'm conflicted on that.
But what I am curious about is if there's anyone listening. Who will maybe call your national show or the next time you do a live? Is anyone like? If let's say the 49 has put up 17 or 14 or 13, a small-ish number. On Saturday, like, what would it take to get a Joe Berry apology?
Like, cause I'm not ready yet. I should be. Maybe this is a negative against me as a personality, but like, Joe Berry is teetering on deserving massive apologies.
Now I say this, and they're going to give up 48. That you have to that's what you have to wait until this game I mean. You have to wait until this game. But what he did against the Cowboys was masterclass. I still don't think the Cowboys offense is that.
Good outside of Dak and CD Lamb. But I think Pollard sucks is the thing. He doesn't suck, but he's not a running game. Yeah. You know how much different that game would have gone if they had Aaron Jones and we had Tony Pollard?
Does anybody here want to I know you want an apology from Pat McAfee, but... Any apologies to Goudekins from you, Bart? I don't think I've Oh, well, we're going to rewind the tape, but you hated. Not only did you hate that Jordan Loftic, you hated that Goudekins and LaFloor smiled about it and grinned about it. He did.
So like. This is an origin story here that we're, you know, like, yeah. Look, it was a long time ago, Bart. I'll I'll apologize to you for any criticism you took in 2020 because that summer of content was unbelievable. That's when you and Horvot found your stride, and you guys just needed something to run with, and you ran with it.
And I enjoyed it every day. It wasn't there were no sports. No. It was trivia and oh, yeah, and by the way, the Jordan love pick fucking sucked. All right, back to trivia.
Back to, you know, how are we going to get the baseball season off? Have you seen the last dance? Have you seen the have you seen the last dance? Tiger King Let me tell you about Carol Baskins. I think that was the summer of 2020.
It was Tiger King Last Dance and Jordan Love Takes and Trivia. Oh god. I love Take Me Out to the Paul game. It was great content, Bart. Apologize for nothing.
Yeah. Does that conclude our apology to her? It does. And I would like to apologize. No, I wouldn't like to apologize.
Okay. I would I have no transition. I don't have one. I just wanted to mention Happy Place Hemp, but I have no transition. I have no transition.
I'd like to apologize to our friends at Happy Place Hemp for it taking 26 minutes to mention them. But you know that as long as it took to mention them, that's still not even the number of what discount is the discount.
Okay. I said in the first few weeks of the year, I said, guys, there's a 25% discount. At all products at happyplacehemp.com: the tinctures, the gummies, the balms. You need a little CBD lotion on your wrist because your wrist hurts. It's helped me.
Did it cure my gout? I don't know. Did my gout go away? When's the last time I'm talking about gout? When's the last time I talked about plantar fasciitis?
I don't know that any of these things cured it, but I know that I don't have that problem anymore. I know that I'm sleeping better. Thanks to the gummies. The nighttime gummies.
So I start talking about these products: Delta 8, Delta 9, all this stuff. And I say, at the end of the year, however many wins Green Bay gets, we'll add that and we'll do a promo. And it was like, That's too confusing. Almost as it was like my version: if they score 95 points in three quarters, then you have to buy this certain beer, and then you get 30 cents off your gas. Where are we dealing here?
But now it's happened, and it is 34% off all items as long as Green Bay's in the playoffs. Which maybe we didn't think they'd be in still, but they're still in. The promo code for that is BORT. Bart will work. and get you 25% off.
Bort. We'll get you 34. Percent off. As long as Green Bay is in. The playoffs.
Happy PlaceM.com. All right. Um Totally as a good against Peace.
So, um Here are some. I'm working nine and seven hours. It's so weird. I'm not used to this. You are so good at waiting to start the thing that you're about to say until someone else has started the thing that they're about to say.
Has everyone ever told you that? Yeah. You are unbelievable. Yeah. My friend, uh My friend Tucker, I room with him in college.
And he was the first one to really be like. Stop fucking doing that. I always try to leave pauses.
So then I'm like, okay, it's pretty quiet. I'll start the next topic. And it's, Grant's right. It's right when I'm like, so I told you there was going to be a Brian some random comment.
Well, that's my big that's that's real interruptions. My biggest gripe with watching. plays or acting is when you script the inter interruption. If you ever watch an interruption in like a movie, it's never like. a true interruption unless it's like Larry David, what they do with kind of a loose.
Yeah. Cause it's always like. The script says, and then I went to. And then I went to and they like pause. Because they're waiting for the interruption.
Interruptions are supposed to be... Boom! Tough acting today. Pardon. The interruption.
What am I saying? All right, Brian Gudekinst drafted. In reverse order, Jonathan Garvin, Vernon Scott, Simon Stepontiak, Jake Hansen, John Runyon Jr., Kamal Martin, Josiah DeGuara, A.J. Dillon. Those were.
Eight of his nine draft picks in 2020.
However, he also drafted Jordan Love. This is an A. At worst, an A, arguably an A plus draft class for Brian Goudekins. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm.
So you're telling me Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll be that's I'll be quick. Yes, if you get the franchise quarterback, nothing else matters, which is also why everyone's been so bent out of shape for three and a half years now. They traded up to get them. It doesn't matter.
A fourth-round pick does not matter at all. If you get your franchise quarterback, nothing else matters.
So I'll go and relinquish the floor to Bart because it sounds like he has a. A more expansive answer to this than I do. Bart, well done answer in 1.5 speed. Thank you. Um You're telling me Goody knew he was getting messed?
Does it what So, does no GM ever get credit for a pick they ever make? Like, is that wait a minute? Did Ted Thompson know Bakhtiari was going to go from a fourth-round pick to be? I don't think John Lynch should get credit for Brock Purdy. John Lynn should get more shit.
For trading up three picks to get Trey Lance. That's what I'm saying. That was what he might do. That's the move he made. This was like, oh, fuck it, who's left?
Oh, we need another quarterback. But he could have gone with a different Quarterback at that final pick. He could have gone a different position. Jalen Hurts, who's basically a running back now. Dude, the fucking, there's something up with that Eagles game.
There's something fucking up with that Eagles game. We're going to talk about Siriani when we talk about McCarthy here in a little bit. I got to talk about this now. No, just wait.
Okay. Just wait on. Hold on.
So, Jordan, so let me get this. Hey, I don't need to fight about this. You gotta fucking love. What am I gonna do? What am I gonna say?
What am I gonna say? No, B minus. I'm fucking dying with this. Three minus What what is the consensus in Packers Nation that like it Grantite is is are people On your I'm with you, Grant.
So mm-hmm. If you get the franchise core, I mean, that is a. A really now. Let's point out Brian Gudekin's 2022 and 2023 drafts, more all-encompassing, are like. Elite draft classes.
2022 was a total dog shit draft class with an elite franchise quarterback. I mean, your next best pick was Dylan. Your next best pick after that was either John Runyon Jr. or Josiah DeGuara. It's a bad draft class, but you got Jordan Love.
And so, to your point, so is that. Is that would you say, speaking for Packers Nation and other maybe owners, one might say? Thank you. Do they is that universal? Like, yeah, that's an A draft AA plus draft class.
I mean, probably not because you have gas bags on the radio, like barred all the time, peddling takes that like they took Dylan and DeGuara around early and Simon Stepaniak. Didn't he like step away for personal reasons? No, that was uh Who was that? That was a different offensive lineman. Or maybe Stepaniak also did, whom but I'm thinking of a different guy.
Anyway, that's really going to. I'll never think of Josiah DeGuara. I'll never, I never hear his name. Without hearing Horvod say, But did you see that block? That one for the Cowboys.
He did recover a fumble this year that was kind of. Like, that's what I thought of when he recovered that fumble. It's like he followed the play. He never did. My biggest concern if the Packers do lose in San Francisco is that this will be our last chance to see DeGuara.
In a Packers jersey, that's really what I'm focused on. Yeah, he's playing for his next contract.
Well, would you say that the 2005 Packers draft was a success? Of course. Mm-hmm. It doesn't matter. Nick Collins.
That's all. I mean, the Rogers thing was enough. Collins was an extraordinary thing. Terrence Murphy. Marvale Underwood.
This is Brady Papinga. A pinga. Junior Patson's. Michael Hawkins. Mike Montgomery.
Craig Braig. Remember that thought? Here, have a look. Will Whitaker? Yeah.
W W Yeah. We've all did it. It's too easy. But yeah, that's a great draft. You don't need you don't even need Oh my gosh.
Guys, I gotta tell you something. I gotta tell you something. Are you high or drunk? I don't know what the fuck. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Marge, we have a kitchen.
I'm listening to Dave Kane on the radio. Box guy? And I'm like, you know. Dave's doing this is doing a good job. Dave's doing a good job.
I'm going to tweet something about Dave Kane doing a good job. And then he goes. He said something about. For some reason, he brought up Walter White. And he goes, it's like that famous quote from Walter White.
I am the one who is knocking at your door at night. No. It's like What the? Fuck. Not the quote.
Yeah. I am the danger. I am the one who is knocking at your door at night. I am the one who knocks. That's the correct quote.
Dave Cain is. Very good. Maybe not with breakouts. Tweet it, but it was in my giraffe you were going to and then he butchered the breaking battle Yeah.
So you stopped. Yeah. Friend of network, close friend of network, Dave Kane, by the way. Outstanding guest. I might like him more as an analyst and as a guest than I do as a play-by-play guy, honestly.
And that's little shaded his play-by-play skills.
Okay, I'm more of a TMJ Garcia guy myself. I'm on the range. Oh, a big TMJ Garcia. Huge TMJ Garcia guy. That's low-key the funniest thing you've ever said, Bart.
That you were going to compliment this guy publicly until he butchered the breaking bedline. Then you put it in drafts. I was like, fuck this, man. It's probably a good thing you didn't, because he probably would have seen the tweet and be like, What's this asshole getting at? Like, there's no way this is genuine.
Because neither Bart nor me has ever said a A compliment to anyone in our life and had it taken seriously. Everyone always thinks we're being. Box. We are not. You're not not always.
Not exclusively. All right. Let's fight about Mike McCarthy. Um I don't even want to say this. Let's just talk about it.
Well, you gotta not, he gave us a quote today. He gave us a quote today that made him look even worse. Yes. He said, We are a championship team. Which I get what he's getting at.
Yeah. But then here's what here's where.
So I think when I saw the news that McCarthy got I think. Not fired. Grant and I were both on Team W. What a win for the Cowboys. Yeah.
Uh Paul disagreed. I might After that quote. Have to jump to Paul's side. Not because of that part of the quote.
Okay. But in that quote, Mike said. I know how to win. Yes, he did. And I thought.
Do you, Mike? Do you know how to win? You know how to win regular Super Bowl. Like this that's Super Bowl. It was not the 96 Packers that won a Super Bowl.
Yep. You snuck in, which it's total of credit. Like, if they win this year, it's like. The fuck did that happen? Right.
You know, and Yeah, I mean, there is credit. I'm not taking no, I'm not saying no credit, but You had a lot of high profile losses. We can name a lot of high-profile losses before we can name. High-profile wins. What is his best?
What's his best playoff win as coach of the Packers? Take the Super Bowl out of it. Take, you know what? Shit, take the, and I'm not erasing history. Take 2010 out of it.
What's his best playoff loss post-Super Bowl? Playoff, playoff win, playoff win. Probably the 2015 team before they got whooped by Atlanta. Was that 2015? 2016.
That was 2016. 2016. Sorry. And that. Was all Rogers.
Yes. Yeah. Okay. Pull up pull up the I just know that that Packers team was not very good. That's why, you know, they beat the Giants.
Here, I'll just, I'll just, we'll go through this. Yeah, go for it. Um McCarthy playoff wins. They beat the Vikings, I believe, with Joe Webb as the quarterback. Yes, that is correct.
They beat the Cowboys. In the Des Codic game. Give us the years on these. That was 14.
Okay. Yep. And they lost obviously. They beat Kirk Cousins in 2015. When people were asking if Kirk was better than Aaron.
In 2016, they beat the Giants. 38 random. Then they win two Dallas in one. on a comeback which It was kind of Rogers. Then they beat the Seahawks at home in 2019, and then they.
Well, that was LaFleur. Yeah. And and you and McCarthy's only has one win as Dallas. One playoff win as Dallas had coached. McCarthy had the win.
In the snow bowl game or whatever. 2008. Yeah. Seven Caesar. What's the farm?
I'm glad you're seeing the light here, but yeah, keep going. Yeah, Grand. I'm sorry. I gotta go over to Paul, I think. Yes.
Yes. I love it. I mean, I like McCarthy, and I think that he's a good regular season coach. Yeah. It's 12 and 5 the last three years, but.
That what does that matter though, right? You got out coached by Matt LaFleur. You you got annihilated. By Matt LaFleur. You didn't lose a nail biter.
You had your second round. playoff opponent coach Shanahan prepping for your Prepping for the Packers in the second quarter, Mike. Like Shanahan didn't even get to halftime before he said, You are this game is over. I just, I just want a moment because I thought I would have Bart on my side for this, and not having Bart on my team for this changes the calculus of how I approach. Oh, like I'm starting from scratch really quickly.
I was going to ask you, well, then who would you hire to replace him? But that's the. That's the fucking word. Carol, Harbov, Rabel, Belichick. And I think part of the calculus I would say, Grant, for why And there's many reasons why I think they should have fired McCarthy, because it's the best free agent coaching class ever.
But keep in mind too. I'm not switching. If I don't hear that quote today, I'm probably coming in guns blazing. But maybe this is. I'm not even switching the channel.
He said, I know how to win. My goal is to have every one of these have at least one moment of putting the me in media. I knew Mike would say what I knew Mike would say some version of what he ended up saying because that's Mike. This is another version of I'm a highly successful NFL coach. That's exactly the first thing I thought of.
It's just like he is a very blusterous, like, we got three years in Brad Hundley, I got two years invested in Joe Kylaham. McCarthy is a great salesman. He's also great at selling himself. He's selling himself that he doesn't even have this jet. He told reporters today, I don't like talking about myself.
I'm uncomfortable talking about myself. Don't assign that to him, Paul. He's not some ego. I actually don't know him. You covered him, so I'll.
And again, this is going to make it sound like I'm going to preface this because I think it's important. I like the guy. I'm not here to be like, what an asshole, but like, he is blusterous, he is a salesman. He got the Cowboys job by lying on his resume by saying that he watched every Cowboys game on tape. And then his introductory press conference said, just kidding.
My point is, though, like, you can't. You can't go four consecutive seasons with this Cowboys roster, which I would assign as like a. Undoubted top 10 roster in the NFL for several of these years, including this year. Top five. Yeah.
Right, exactly. And then be like, well, this is a championship program. I know how to win. I've proven I know how to win. He has.
in the regular season. Football game is a football game. Again, I'm grasping the prize here because I expected to have Bart on my team. It's not, it's a lot easier to do this when Bart is agreeing with me and disagreeing. Did you guys see Ryan Woods' tweet today?
I thought it was a very good one about McCarthy and the Cowboys. Uh He tweeted if the Cowboys were ever going to fire Mike McCarthy this season, they would have done so after that loss. If not, they were never firing him. Why say we'll see how each game goes before the playoffs? Just adds a bunch of pressure to a team that doesn't need it.
Jerry Jones is the problem.
Well, Jerry Jones. does not like firing coaches. I mean this is clear. He is overly, and but this was true with Jason Garrett. This was like, this is not.
New They fired the best ones. He enjoyed firing the really good ones. He doesn't enjoy firing the mid ones like JC Garrett and Mike McCarthy. Yeah, that's true. And I think part of the thing is, too, is.
And I've I've heard this said by Cowboys fans, is Jerry Jones. has always run the Cowboys. Right. What other owner does a post game press conference after every game? Like Oh, sorry.
Two of them. Hey, two of them right here. Hey, Paul, Polly, two of them. My mistake. My mistake.
Outside of Green Bay, does any other owner. Do a post-camp.
So, I mean, Jerry. I think likes That he's in control. If Belichick came in, Belichick's going to have. Input Belichick would get credit if they had a great season next year. I think Jerry Jones likes being able to say.
You know. Yeah, bro. Oh, did you hear my balichek take? That was a good one. What is it?
About the Cowboys? When did you say it? Bill should have been doing everything he could to get that job. Which job? The carnivals.
Yeah. 'Cause if he goes somewhere and loses. If he goes to Atlanta and loses, it's like. Geez, he really can't do without Tom Brady. But if you go to the Cowboys and you lose That's Jerry Jones' fault.
Yeah. Yeah. And so maybe that's why Jerry Jones is like.
Well fuck, I need a scapegoat. I'm gonna keep McCarthy around. Grant, when I thought I was going to be writing solo on this side of the. argument. Like This is a subjective thing, but I always say, like, Did this team overperform or underperform relative to the talent on the roster?
It's why, and I promise this is my only reference for the day, but it is one reason why I like Spose so much as a coach because I always think he gets more out of guys.
Sorry, just move on. It was going to be a quick passing comment, just let it fly.
So, but my criticism of McCarthy, so they were put, they put up that thing where it was like, well, like Mike Tomlin. I think Mike Tomlin Way exceeded. Yeah. You see the thing where it's like record, and McCarthy and Tomlin and Sean Payton and Harbaugh were all very similar. In my opinion, it's subjective.
It's like, I think Tomlin way overshot what should have happened with that roster. McCarthy, in my opinion, way undershot the expectations of what I think should have happened with that roster.
So, when people just want to sit up there and pull up a thing, and I saw a clip of this being argued about on your buddy Pat McAfee's show, but it was like they pulled up the records: like, so see, same record, same record, same record. That is like, that's the most basic take you can have. It's like, did McCarthy's team underperform, overperform, or perform to expectations? There's not a person who I think would say, yeah, I think they. They were probably a first round exit team.
No, they were not. That isn't, they underperformed it. I don't think there's anyone. Grant maybe is the one person, but like, that's an underperformance. They were at home and got cooked.
Buy a s you know, buy a seven seed. They underperformed. Tom I'm grasping it. Sean Payton this year had, what, five, six fewer regular season wins than Mike McCarthy? I think why I was so excited and on Grant's side was because I disliked McCarthy.
Yeah, he's great. He's great for content. And I like him with the Cowboys. Here's the final straw that I will grasp at, Paul.
Okay. Yep. If the Packers go into San Francisco on Saturday night, And they score 42 points and they beat the Niners. McCarthy ran into a buzzsaw. he ran he they were a great team well on their way and they ran into a they ran into a buzz saw that was red hot at the right time Will that change your opinion of how this happens?
If the Packers go into San Francisco and beat the brakes off of at least offensively against the Niners? It will not change my opinion. Then I have nothing. Other than maybe the other half-baked argument in my head was like, well, is this Cowboys team truly Super Bowl or bust? They haven't been to a Super Conference Championship game in a thousand years.
Are they that different from the Viking? Like, if the Vikings won 12 games three seasons in a row, should the Vikings be firing their head coach? Like, I don't know. I think very highly of the talent on the field. They were my Super Bowl pick this year.
And even as of a week ago, when you said Cowboys Chiefs. Of which, of which Barton I took more offense to the Chiefs part, not the Cowboys part. The Chiefs are winning this weekend. Yeah, I know they are. They are.
That's probably. Oh, new segment. Uh on the show tonight. It's going to be the BART barometer. What's specifically?
Or should I call it the Bardometer? What's better? Both are good. When I say news segment, it's something I did on Gelb's show that I'm going to do on my show tonight. Pressure rankings.
Okay. Who is the most pressure to win? This weekend. Samuel Is the bills. Why?
They have to beat the Chiefs. If they don't beat him this weekend, they're ain't never gonna be going to beat him. They ain't never gonna beat them. Niners have a lot of pressure. Ravens are pressure.
Nobody else's pressure. Everyone else's. See, I don't agree at all. No, the Lions have no fucking pressure. Yeah, none.
They already did their thing. Tampa Bay. You go ask the average NFL fan. Name all the playoff teams in the playoffs right now in 45 seconds. I'll give you 100 bucks.
They will forget Tampa Bay. They'll forget them. It'll be like. Fuck, who's the other one? Uh okay.
Oh, can I say my Eagles conspiracy? Not even a conspiracy, but a question.
Okay. Oh, thank you. Um Well, you made me wait before. All right. The images of the Dan Shaney YouTube stream are.
Perkin. But our internet works. Rami! Their first series. They had the ball at their own 44-yard line.
Sorry, who were we talking about? The Eagles.
Okay, sorry. Yeah. On a third and two. Third and two. You're the Eagles.
44 yard line, you're on. What what play do you call? What what do you do there? You're the Eagles. What do you do?
Run. Run. What happens if you don't get the first down, though? What if you only gain a yard? Yep.
Yep. Because you're the Eagles and it always works for you, right? They put Hertz in shotgun and fucking threw it incomplete. The next series, they had a third and three. From like their own thirty-five.
What did they do? Through chakra again. Did the Eagles like Get a memo before the playoffs like If you guys do the tush push, we're going to ban it. Because it seemed that way. They didn't They didn't they didn't play it like The it was the the team that I saw and the team that that was totally different.
What the hell happened? Wh why why does Sirianni still have his job? I don't know. He shouldn't, right? I don't think so.
I think that loss and what happened We didn't bring it up yet today. We got close, but didn't bring it up yet today, the 2014 NC Championship game. Damn. Yeah. And the Cowboys are almost in the same like.
You bring McCarthy that this was a horrible moment for you. You're bringing them back? That's the thing. Like the Eagles and the Cowboys, they both get in next season. If they start two and three, you're like, well, shit.
I said the Eagles should change their uniforms. Go back to Kelly Green. Change your name. Move, whatever you can to get the stink out of that end of the season out of you. You can't come back and look the fucking same after that.
Yeah. Half the WIP people were tweeting, like, well, this is the beginning of the end with Hertz. He'll be out of here by 2026. It's like, who the fuck maps out the slow demise of their quarter? You know what I mean?
Like, but that's how it works. And they're probably not wrong. Because Hertz coming into this year, it's like, is he the best? or close to the best quarterback in the NFC. And now I'd take Jordan Love over him.
Hands down, I'd take Jordan Love over him. Yeah. Which two or three months ago seemed laughable.
So Um, yeah, I feel like you got to move on because what how many examples, Bart? You mentioned 2014, but we have so many examples. The Falcons, another one that always gets bringing up when you have a traumatic playoff loss, it's the Seahawks, Malcolm Butler. Yeah, it's like we went against a better team and we lost. That's one thing when you go into a game and you're outclassed.
Or you're out, or it goes so bad where the stink sits in. It's like going home from a Mexican restaurant, you're like, you smell like refried beans, it sticks with you. You need to get to purge. I have a take. Paul, you first.
Mine's fucking stupid.
So you first. Grant, you are giving me the other reason I would have said had I been a one-on-two debate of McCarthy being fired. I think there's a stinky, stinky stink. To get 27-0 by the Packers, and short of LaFleur admittedly pulling out his starters too soon. If they had gone to San Francisco at some point, Dallas did and lost, like, yeah, I mean, yeah, you know.
Good team on the road, but to get destroyed at home in the way that they did, and Jerry Jones calling it the most surprising outcome of Jerry's 81 years of being on this planet. I think it, I would want to wash the stink. I wouldn't, you know, even if I really liked Mike and believed in Mike, I think much to what you're saying with Siriani, you have to, you got to clean up a surprising football outcome. He's been surprised at other outcomes. Most surprising football outcome.
I would want that stink off. The other thing is, Dak's going into the last year of his deal now.
So McCarthy and him are on the same timeline.
So I also think. Given the contracts. It's a reasonable enough decision to say, okay, we're gonna run it back one more time. We're probably going to have to make a decision quarterback coach anyways. Let's gather some more information and really decide what we want to do.
The length of the contract makes sense. But what you're saying, though, assumes that Dak is going to be perfectly fine. going into the last year of his deal. Without demanding an extension or asking to be traded, which I think is asking a lot of a really good quarterback. But I mean after the game when he was asked about his coaches like hey if if If we're spreading responsibility for this loss around, you put it on me as much as he said that.
It's like, okay, well, you're going to play out last year. Your contract. But again, like when Kirk Cousins went to Minnesota and got the first fully guaranteed contract in NFL history. That's about the best type of quarterback that hits free agency, like Kirk Cousins level. But everyone compares Dak to Kirk.
You don't think they're comparable enough? I like Dak more. If I'm Dak's agent. He gets an extension, even if it's like a two-year. You don't need to give me five years, but you're not making my quarterback a top.
10, 12, lame ducking. You're not. I won't let you do it. I will demand a trade. I will have public fuss.
So I agree with what you're saying under the current context, but like. I just don't care about it. Are we both laughing at public fuss? We both heard that and started laughing. Yeah, that's ladies and gentlemen.
Public fuss. Public fuss. It's Sunday morning. It is time to fuck! The stink that comes home with you after Subway is an elite smell.
It's a good smell. And it's the phrase: like, if you say, why don't you like Subway? Oh, I come home and I stink. Oh, so then you don't like campfires? You don't like bonfires?
Because you come home and you stink from that too. You take a shower and you're like, oh, am I there again? Like Subway. Subway, I am tired of defending Subway. Subway is delicious.
Somebody's very good. Jimmy Johns is better. Look, maybe it is. Jimmy Johns is really good. Cousins is really, really good.
Jersey mics is good, but I don't need. You got to order Jersey Mics, though. You can't go and Get in line. Like, some way you can get in line. They're like, what do you want?
What do you want? Jersey and Mike's, the guy's like.
So, how was your day? It's like, I don't need to watch the art. Like, I go to a museum to see the finished fucking art. I don't need to see, hey, I'm Da Vinci. Here's me cutting David's dick.
It is it is Michelangelo made the vint uh made uh I'm getting my curdles mixed up. Yes, that, yes, that was the problem with that statement. Yeah, that was the problem. You guys want to watch me do David's balls? Dude, you are on one today.
Uh the l the last time I went to Jersey Mike's, it was the one off Lion Street. Or Ogden, or whatever it is, right up by the worst grocery store on the face of this planet. Oh, you don't like that one? The pick and save? That pick and save makes me want to end my life when I go in there.
No, the metro over there is worse. I It's not possible. It can't be, Bart. My Metro's taken a shit, too. I go in, I have bought liquor at that split so many times, and without fail, every time when I'm waiting in line in the liquor store, one of the people in front of me in line gets to the register and then is surprised that they need to pay.
And it blows me away every time. Bart, how many $25? And the person's like, oh. And we're all just standing there waiting. And it's always some 16-year-old behind the register that doesn't know shit.
It just sucks. Bart, how many weeks into the hashtag national show. Until you're going to tell your story about how a couple of months ago you Threw a tantrum on the Metro Market guy for not letting you take your alcohol into the... Fruit section, or whatever the hell happened. I've already played my greatest hits.
But is that one? Do they know toilet wings? Do they know? Do they know Metro Market? Do they know toilet wings yet?
Metro Market Tantrum. They know Chase Utley. More call center shit. More always. I love call center.
My other tangent question for you, Bart, is. Have you do you feel you are getting close to having identified your Tony in Texas, your Matt in the Falls, your hot take Jake? Have you? Are are you cultivating your national versions of these fine fellows? There's another guy there's a Rick that calls that is like I've heard Rick.
I like This is Rick. Um I know you like to. There's people that call every day. Yeah. And I like that because then you can start to establish something.
But one of those guys is mad at me because I didn't take him on Gelb's show and I didn't know I had him there.
So, no, you've not yet fully. It is a bad thing. But I've also gotten calls from Jake and Tony and Q and Big Ron. I love that. Who called Jmo called in?
J-Mo. There was a guy in Baltimore that sounded just like fucking J Mo. And I told the audience, I go. Guys, this is crazy because this sounds exactly like everything was the same. And Jmo was on.
The court. And I go, in fact, he is, he is right now. And Jama goes, same shit. But then all he wanted to talk about was Tony in Texas. He's like, True.
Trust fun Tony. kept saying all this shit It's like whatever you're referencing, these people don't understand. I'm not going to get into the Tony in Texas backstory right now here. The lore of Milwaukee radio callers. All right, last question for you.
Who maybe boots on the ground again this weekend? I'm not sure if he's going. Could be, can confirm. Doug Hype, I think, is boots on the ground though. He bought his ticket before the game was over.
All right. What do you guys got? And then we're done. Last question. An NFL team's head coaching, head coach and coaching staff.
is the second most important piece. of any NFL franchise. behind the quarterback.
So you're ranking like the most important things. that a winning franchise can have. Quarterback is the most important. You can choose positions, you can like however you would slice it. My argument is gonna very strongly be, and I was talking about this with some buddies.
That This If you like coaching staff, if I get the head coach and the coordinators, like I think is more important than having an elite corner, an elite edge rusher, an elite left tackle, wide receiver, et cetera. Coaching?
So that's what I'm going with.
So, and by the way, I tied this into like my Mike McCarthy thing, the Siriani piece of this. Um This is your SPO argument all over again. It's not. unrelated to it but But the NFL, like, so here's how I view the NFL. And I'm just curious if this is a crazy take or something that you're like, well, yeah, duh, that's obvious.
But these coaches nowadays, because of the way the NFL is officiated, It's chess. They're just playing chess. I think the the moving of the the person who's telling the pieces where to go. Is more important than the quality of the pieces in most instances.
So what's more important quarterback? To me, only quarterback. And I'm just wondering: is this a crazy take or is this like? How about you let us chew on this one for the week? Will you?
This might be a thinker, but like. Please do think about it. I'm inclined to think which sport coach is more important in. I think the NFL is number one by a lot of people. Football is the most schematic game we have.
You know what I mean? Like, look at the last decade with the read option, and then it was all of the Vicfangio deep, like everything's shifting all of the time. There's so much more scheme in football. But Grant, you said, just to be clear, your initial inclination is to say, I think, but I'd like to sleep on it for the next six weeks. Please do.
Please do. And expand my argument. And I swear to God, if I walk into next week's podcast expecting to have Bart on my side with something and he pulls the rug out from under me, I'm going to be passed. Oh, that's fucking Mike. Mike had to go say he's a winner when he is not a winner.
Yep, this is on Mike. I'm going to give you one more to chew on. And we're not going to dissect it, but I want to tease it because I'm curious about it. The NFL will be king. for our entire lifetimes and there's nothing that can happen to change that.
Mm-hmm or mm-mm. DeAndre Ayton didn't show up for a game because his His driveway was icy last night. Nothing is ever touching the fucking NFL. Because baseball's dying in the NBA is a mess.
So, yes.
Well, actually, let me chew on it. Let me think about it. Let me take another week to see how many stupid reasons. I like knowing your initial inclinations, even if you're going to chew on it some more. Bart, is this an obvious for you?
No, I thought we saw a guy die last year, and I thought that would have been a game changer. I was also going to say, I think only the NFL can stop the NFL from being number one in our lifetimes. And I mean that in terms of like. If more becomes known of CTE. and things of that nature.
Right? If All great national topics. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. Both of them are.
Yeah, I'll probably do both tonight. You should. I just, I would like to hear what people think. But I do think that'd be the only thing, like, the NFL would stop the NFL from. being king for the duration of our lifetimes.
And by the way, what was your guys' reaction when you heard, was it Collinsworth, say, When Higbee got his knees taken out, that, like, oh, everyone I talked to would rather get hit in the head than on, like, on the knees. That's true. That is. I don't think I heard that part. Grant, you know what I'm talking about, Grant?
Just a couple of times. Yeah, and everyone freaked out. Like Collins were saying it was a dirty hit. He wasn't saying that. He said, if we need to air.
Upper or lower. But that's but that's awful. But to body your choice. I didn't really mean for it to come across that way. I guess it did.
I realized as it left my mouth, but I mean. Yeah. Who are we to tell them what to think? All right, we're done with today's show. Chew on these from a national perspective.
I do not think I'm doing a Packer one on Saturday night. I'm not. What? I don't think I'm doing one. I would put money on the fact that you will.
Oh, well then if you're gonna pay me. Maybe I will. We'll talk in the future. Toodaloo. I'll stew.
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