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Yeah. Good. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to the Winkler Verse. I'm Bar Winkler.
This is the. Edition of the podcast, our flagship show here. Yeah. On the Winklerverse, we've got Grant Phils. Alongside we've got Paul Imig.
who did a great job with me on the draft night coverage. I do need to clip. I'm going to clip the end separate when it turns into 20 minutes of Jim Pashke impressions. Oh, so good. Really just got.
Just got stupid. And what I've been talking about since that. Was for me personally. In that three hour plus show. I went from being wrapped up in Giannisville.
And I think if you watch it back. You can like see how I went from Giannisville. And even people in the comments to like, we're back to Bucks basketball. The Giannis detour was an incredible detour. It got us a championship.
But now we're back in the shit. The optimistic shit. The fun shit.
So I think that that's what that did for me at least.
So how do I take 80% of the credit for that vibe shift. How do I subtly do that? It's Paul's presence. That's what you get. I'll say, and Paul Imig guided me there.
You get all the credit. Yeah, if that's something in your life you want. or need credit for You can get all the credit.
So congratulations on that. Quick programming note.
Okay. I do think Take Me Out to the Paul game is happening tonight. Horrible. I don't know. It was whatever.
I think it's happening tonight. It'll be right before the USA game. The USA game does not matter. Outside of momentum. There will be no post-game from me.
There also is going to be no more post-game anymore from USA games at all. I need to be out with the I need to be out somewhere. in a crowd of hundreds of people. To watch. It only comes around every four years.
Now, if my numbers had popped bigger. Then this wouldn't be a thing. But I don't know what I was thinking. I was like, I'm the only one doing USA Post game. Thank God Giannis got traded for the June numbers for the summer book.
For the summer book. Wrap up Q2 in a really strong way. Yeah. I also, I don't think we're. Oh, the Giannis detour, now we're back to Bucs basketball.
I don't know what we're going to talk about, but I would like to call slight BS on it. I don't. I don't believe that. This is like. You went through a breakup, and two days later, you're listening to a song about.
Coming through the other side, and you're like, Yeah. Fight song by Appleseed Cast. Yeah. And it's two days after a breakup, and you're like, It's going to be okay. You're not even, you haven't even begun.
You haven't even begun to process something so you eventually can feel okay. I think right now it's young guys and optimism. No, we're not through it yet. No, I okay.
Well, let's go there. I totally agree. You've wanted him gone for two years. You processed this in 2025. I processed it.
So like, for example, like Hot Take Jake joined the live on Tuesday night. And he and I were obviously in completely different emotional states relative to the Giannis trade. He was. really like deepen the feelings about it, which is totally fine. Jake I wouldn't do it personally, but Jake has a really good Giannis impression.
I will say that. Anyway, Paul, continue. If you're able to continue. What happened there? His thing went out like he's done a hundred of.
of these with Paul. Yeah. His phone is falling over. I've never. We got started 10 minutes late because he was looking for a cord.
I've seen corners of his house I didn't know existed. Yeah. Anyway, as he figures that out, is there anything you would like to embellish on what you said? You think that we're. You think that we're calling uh bullshit?
No, I'm not calling bullshit. I just think, I think we're serious. He'll be back in a few minutes. I just think we're we got our young guys and Giannis is gone and now we can just focus on the basketball. Like, I think the second that Giannis says a little something in an interview or posts a little something, I think we'll be.
I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't know that. I don't, and I know every, I get it. Everything that I say right now or that comes out of my mouth.
Is gonna sound it's gonna sound like I'm It's going to sound like I'm faking or trying to power coping or trying to deal with it. And and the Giannis era Was great. I mean, it was. And we love them. And the last couple of years were weird.
And really, one thing I'm mad about is that I didn't. I didn't get out in front of it. I am mad that I didn't like. Be more.
Well, I talked about Super Bowl. Why is he doing there? And he's faking injuries.
So it was there, but I had more ammo in the chamber. And I didn't let any of it go.
So I'm a little bummed about that. Um But I I think that this is um It it's over. It ended. It's not like LeBron. left to Miami and then the whole town burns his Jersey.
And they, Dan Gilbert has to come out and say, we'll win before you do. Which was wrong. It's just like... All right, you're gone and Because I feel like we've been here before. Sure.
I would say, what would I liken it to? I would liken it to. Maybe like in Alice in Wonderland. You know those movies, or any other movie, a movie where somebody's doing their regular life. And then there's a paradigm or a portal, and they go to this magical world.
Narnia. Yeah, Mario Brothers, any of this stuff. And it's just this. It's unbelievable and it's magical and it's great. And then eventually They come back and they know they're never going to go back to that spot unless they need a sequel in 15 years.
They're never going to go back to that spot. But So they're appreciative of the time. But they know that they're back home. I'm comparing Paul essentially. The Giannis era to I'll just say Narnia.
Where or Alice in Wonderland, I said, where we go somewhere. We went somewhere, this magical place. that we don't know how we got there. There's no way we'll ever get back. It's always gonna be a time in our lives we spent.
Um maybe like the island on lost, although they went back.
Well, were they ever there? Yes, the the island is real, just moves.
Okay. Maybe because it's a constant battle between light and dark. I'm just going to mark down the lost mention for this episode. Quota. Got to hit the quota.
It's 20. It's like that cold open from community. I have notches on my desk here, actually, where I mark it down. There we go. But.
We're back home. We know that was great. That was a great experience. We trade nothing for it. But we are back home.
And we realize we're never going to go back there. But Paul, we're back home. I'm I'm not Grant's calling BS. And I am. Retracting his BS.
I would have pushed back. I was about to push back on the BS when I brought up like hot take Jake's emotions. And Grant, I think part of that is just like. Yeah. I think, Grant, part of that is like.
Two, three hours of. I didn't like it either. Fuck you, Grant. Two, three hours of life. Two, three hours of live processing of Thoughts and whatever else.
But if anybody, the two of you, like, if you, if you ever need someone to help you not dwell on something and just to like, well, what's next? I'm your guy. I'm your guy. I don't dwell on shit. I'm on to the next.
I've already, I processed it years ago. Not just this, but like. By the way, it's the same way when the Bucs won the championship. I was literally talking to a friend on the phone moments after the game. Um When they won the title, the Bucs did.
And he was celebrating. I was like, you know, I'm really thinking about next year's roster construction. And I wasn't putting on a show. That's what I was thinking about. Like, okay, so if you do re-sign PJ Tucker.
And you could probably move things around and then, like, so I mean, I for good and for bad when it's a bad situation, like you know, trading a superstar, or it's a good situation, I'm your guy. I'll help scrapbook is either empty. There's nothing in it. Or it's Or it's like a reflective page where you see yourself back and be like, doesn't matter what happened, this is where you are now. Don't worry about that magical day.
Yeah. What is a memory in Paul's brain, but wasted space where stats could be? Yeah. Or, yeah, it's information, just knowledge. It's a data point, it's a bunch of ones and zeros.
It is. It is. All right. You have any questions? I do.
And. Coincidentally enough, it's a mix between reflective. and forward-looking. Would you like to start reflective or would you like to start forward-looking? Are these all of the bucks nature?
All of the bucks nature. It's the only thing that I'm thinking about right now. Is there anything else as a Wisconsin sports podcast I should mention or give lip service to? Woodruff pitch nice. Good sweep of the Reds.
I think you hit it. Thanks for that. I mean, any Brewers baseball I watch from June 11th to the end of the World Cup is bonus. Because I don't care. Not until this is over.
That's how I was during the NBA playoffs. Like, I followed it from afar, but I had different night plans during the NBA playoffs. You don't have any takes on the Bucs drafting a guy that looks just like a young Giannis? That was. And especially like with that 60th overall pick, nothing to lose.
I mean, they could just change the plush dolls and just change the back of the jersey. We'll see if he's on the street. Does he still have an impact on this future of the franchise? Or are we?
Well, no, but in all seriousness, did you guys... That was what I was about to say. Like, is he coming over? And I was going to say, do you remember how you just tell it Zikas? I don't think that's A real person.
No, it probably isn't. But the Bobola. How do we say it? I know you guys practice this in- Bogoya Markovich. Bogiug Markovich.
John Melson. Every pick in the second round was traded except for one. That's yeah. Yeah, I did. That almost seems like one bit that they were all in on.
How does that even happen? Did they watch any of it on TV? There's like nobody there. They had like they just had like extras in a room at tables clapping after picks. It was so fucking weird.
Oh my gosh. Watching baseball. That's so dumb. Paul, Paul, now, Paul, did you go back to Alice in Wonderland or what? Oh, just hold on.
Can you hear me when I do that or just not see me? We can't see you.
Well, you could hear me when I say that? No.
Okay. Should we start reflective or forward-looking? I think you got to, yeah, you got to start. You got to start at the beginning. All right, we'll be reflective then.
A very good place to start.
So this is where I was thinking about it. The most important part Hello? That's fun. What is happening? Are you drunk?
Is this a bit? The phone fell. It's probably. We've been doing this for four years. It's never fallen before today.
Ever. Because I use a computer. Oh. Currently it's propped up against April helmet. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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Okay. Um the most important, the most key part of trading Giannis.
Now Is not having to pay a 35-36-year-old Giannis 70 plus million dollars per year. That's the most important. I know we get sucked into the emotion, and there's all of like the history and the appreciating of the championship. But in the here and now, where he's 31 and his knees and his recent injury history, the most important part of doing this. is less about what you're getting back.
Very important, don't get me wrong, but the most important part Is not having to pay 35, 36-year-old Giannis $70 plus million dollars per year or grant bills. May I? Mm-mm. For the bucks. For the Bucs, for this Bucs team.
The answer would be different for different teams constructed differently.
Okay, same more. Yeah. If the Bucks, like, let's say the Bucks were the Celtics and they had a Jason Tatum and a Derek West, like, they had other guys. They had their money was going other places and they had other considerations. Then, maybe, because then the Bucs would be in a position to think: like, maybe we shouldn't pay Giannis because we have other guys.
We could do that. But the Bucs are just so Giannis-centric. The city and the team, and just the whole thing. That I always think that if they had the option, they were going to spend that money on him.
So for the bucks, I will say, mm-mm. But if he was somewhere else and the roster was different, then I like the line of thinking.
Okay. Bart, the most important part of trading Giannis is the Bucs not having to pay him as a 35, 36-year-old $70 plus million dollars a year. Uh mm-mm. But in like a week like that. Like that's a good that's a good And it might even be tied into my answer.
Because and I think some people misinterpreted what I was trying to say last night. Yeah. First thing that's ever happened. I don't know how that could have been. But I don't think.
John Horst was ever general manager of the Bucks.
Now he was, so okay, but I think more importantly, His job was keep Giannis here. Yeah, for sure. And whatever happens around that. Could be good, could be bad. Winning a title is part of keeping Giannis here.
Are you taking notes? This is what I normally do on my phone. But I know I do it with pen and paste. You keep going. I love it.
I love it. Yeah. It adds something. I don't know. All right.
I'm going to do it every time. I'm going to do it every time. All right. Like when you talk to your doctor and you say something, he writes it down. Like, what the fuck?
Like Brian Cranston and Kerb. That's interesting. It's interesting.
So Keeping Giannis, getting Drew Holiday for all those picks, that was part of keeping Giannis here. It also helped you win a championship.
So there was good results. From the desire. Mm-hmm. to keep Giannis here. But then after that How do we keep Giannis here?
Get the coach he likes, even though he's the wrong choice. Adrian Griffin, you're saying, right? Yeah, get Dame, stretch Dame, get Turner, keep Giannis here.
So it worked. Keep Yannis here. and win a title were congruent. Until they weren't. Yeah.
It so that's what people That's what people and if I may.
Something I posted on social media on Facebook. Where I posted, they'll never take this away from us. And it was the 2024 NBA Champions NBA Cup. People were like insane, and like, you gotta go read these comments. They're like, what are you doing?
Are you trying to be funny? Still time to delete this. What the fuck? First of all, we did win the cup, and I have a t-shirt. And I'm not taking, you can't take that away from us.
You can pry that t-shirt out of Bart's cold, dead hands. It's just weird when people react. I just the expectations of okay. Um as a professional troll you still don't know you don't know what to expect But I think so. John Horst.
Succeeded in keeping Giannis here, but then. The bucks got, and I've talked about the boat, and I've talked about the houses burning, and I've talked about. It just wasn't working anymore.
So, the most important part to me. Is that the bucks? Right. Free Yeah. Of the burden.
of having to appease Yes. And the burden of trying to appease somebody. is already very difficult. The burden of trying to appease somebody. Who is giving you mixed signals?
is even harder. Yeah. The burden of trying to appease somebody. Who is giving mixed signals because they themselves don't even know what they want? is impossible.
Mm-hmm. So the most important part. To me, Is that Yeah. No, I think that's fair. The Giannis Burden was a tremendous South Dakota air quote burden.
For a while because it it it's good that your superstar is Singularly well was. singularly focused on winning. But when you When you get to a point where you've appeased him once, twice, three times, four times, five times, to the point where by the time, and I'm gonna ask you a question about the Jim O Journal Sentinel article here momentarily, but by the time you get to the point where the superstar, Giannis, feels like he can't say something at a certain point. Because now he's already used his quota. He's already burned up all of his chances of inputting his opinion, especially because, as Jim wrote, Those Times have Beanna has had regret about those times he's spoken up, whereas if he had just like left things alone.
There's a lot of things that could have been different. One for sure is that Kenny Atkinson would have been the coach of the Bucs and not Adrian Griffin, and thus not Doc Rivers. It's not that Kenny Atkinson is a perfect head coach in the NBA, but. Come on. I mean, like, you've seen what the Bucks have been through for the past three years, and it was because.
You know, again, there's an avalanche that began the day that the ownership and the front office said, all right, fine. Adrian Griffin. Like whoa, I got a PFT retweet. That's a big retweet. Of which tweet?
Mm-hmm. Did I bring this up on the podcast, or was that before we went live? Or was it when I stepped away? I don't remember.
Okay, so PFT commenter. Broke down. How Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
U.S. was that before we went live? I truly don't remember. You don't either. Yeah.
I don't think it was. Grant, was it live or before? What? Anyway. I said that PFT in one segment did a better job explaining how the U.S.
is playing than Alexei Lollis.
Well, this entire tournament. And so I got the retweet to 1.1 million followers. Oh, no.
So I think I can get some Elon bucks this month.
So the next thing you should do then is add to your Tweet.
So that it shows up below it because a lot of people are going to see it. Say, like, I host the Bart Winkler. He's the Winkler's podcast. No, you can't do that. No, it was a, it was a, it was, I was actually being searched.
If you're here, you might as well check out my sub stack. Wow, this blew up. I guess here's my bullshit that I'll link. You didn't expect this one to get outside of the outside of what's the thing? Outside of It's love to see.
Containment. Ah, well you know this one would break containment. Do you know what voice you just used? I don't know, Jim. Oh, I don't know, Jim.
Oh, we had a Pat McAfee impression the other night. Oh, it like that, that last 30 minutes that you'll eventually clip separately is. Gold.
Okay. Hold on, I'm so sorry. If I don't, I'll forget. The NFL, to not have the supplemental draft to fuck over Sourceby is bullshit, right? It's I don't know a ton about it, but it seemed purposeful, like intentional and purposeful.
Who cares, Grant? I mean, no, I can't just be who cares guy. What they should have done is had it and then let all the individual teams just not pick him. Like, sure, but. Yeah, they're changing the rules.
It's bullshit. Anyway, what was I saying?
Well, before you got on the soccer thing and PFT commenter and your retweet, I think we're just wrapping up the topic of. The most important part of my check out Check out 30 minutes of Jim Pashke impressions. All I'm going to say Is while I what I said about adding that tweet was actually legitimately sarcastic. It's also the right move for you to do. Yeah.
Your business manager would have encouraged it. And then, like, prideful Bart would have said, no, that's cheap and gimmicky. Wait, we're talking about me commenting on PFT again? I'm saying if you have a tweet that blows up and you're trying to promote a thing, you should do the lame thing. No, no.
It can both be lame and the right thing to do. But then he's gonna look at it and be like. Oh, this guy's a fucking loser. Your assumption is that, like, okay, whatever. You do you.
Yeah, I assume this is something, Tim. No, I think it's good back and forth.
Okay. So I like, Bart, I like what you said about being free of. The superstar burden. Um I do think For as much as paying Dame 20 or not paying him, but capping Dame for $22 million over the next four years per year. is a stranglehold.
Having a 35-year-old Giannis on the books. Who knows what his body and his knees and his ankles and are like by then? That would be a stranglehold. There's just no way that the Giannis-Led the 34, 35, 36-year-old Giannis-led Bucks at $70, $75 million per year is winning anything.
So, to me, that what would have been a cap casualty, a cap hit, that would be far worse, in my opinion. I don't see like Giannis being some elite 35-year-old NBA player. I think getting away from that now, maybe you should have done it a year ago, or two years ago, or three years ago, like I had been suggesting, but at least you did it now before you get to that point where, I mean, this guy's telling you, like, I'm not going to sign. A four-year, $270 million extension. Like, thank you.
Like, that's a good thing for the future of the box. I also I think there's a little cope coming from Three of us. Not for me. I could not promise you more. I am so.
I am so personally, and I think I speak for Paul. I feel like we, and maybe you had to be on that journey with us because it was a journey. It was a journey. I am so clear-headed. Yeah.
About how I feel about Giannis. Emotions. Their council was full of emotions. Rogers. Farve.
All of these, and I know other people are having, I'm not having the emotions with Giannis. And I'll tell you, maybe another thing that really helped me help me. Is my kid. I've been prepping them that there's going to be a Giannis trade. I told him the morning after.
And he did not seem to give a fuck. And he loves Giannis, and he's met Giannis. You know, yeah, and he's just like, Where did he go? And I said, The heat. And he said, who do we get back?
And then I said, you know, these guys. And then we're watching the draft. Because he likes watching drafts. And he goes, he knew he had 10, but he didn't know we had 13. And I'm like, no, no, we got the guy that the Heat drafted too, because of the Giannis trade.
And he goes, oh, that was really nice of them. I'm like, no, that's a trade's work. You got to give something back. But if like What am I going to do? I just He gave us good.
And I do, I like, I do think, Giannis, I think I. I think I get it. I think that we I don't know. Anytime that you see somebody on TV or somebody playing, we all put them in the same, we give them the same personalities. Like they're an athlete, they wanted this, they love us, we love them, but there's nuances to everybody.
And I think Giannis has a lot of nuances and I think he grew up fast. I think that's a good idea. He grew up in a, you know, poor, and then now he's got more money. He's got his brothers on the payroll. The I don't think his life is real life to him.
Like it's just his life is insane. He's like Michael Jackson. Yeah, I think. Where it's yeah, like at a certain point. your life stops being real.
And it's just like you are the main character in everybody's life around you, and they all want something. And and he I don't know, I just I really I mean, I'm clear-headed as all can be. There's no cope here. There's no emotion. I'm not going to.
Like watching the press conference at first, when that happens, it scared me. I don't want to watch it. I don't care. I'll watch it. I'll watch him on the heat.
I'm not like rooting for him to do good. I don't, but, but even. Uh If Giannis wins a title with the Heat. He won't.
Well, I know he won't. But like if we said that quickly. Like that, like that, like that's pretty important to you. It's just, it's just that you just. That's a basketball thought.
That's a basketball-centric thought, Graham. But Favre, I was, I was. When far was going To go to the Super Bowl with the Vikings until he choked. Yes, agreed. Definitely.
I don't think. Like if if I can If there is a way to accurately measure. I do believe. That I was more intensely rooting against him winning. Than I've ever rooted intensely for the Packers, ever.
I really, I really, I had a lot invested in that. Sure. Even like Even with the box win, I just. Favre, I remember that day so vividly. I remember running up and down my apartment stairs.
I remember going to NFLShop.com and buying a Saints NFC Championship shirt immediately. Really? I was just like, I. I just, and I always say, I can't live in a world where the Cubs win a World Series or where the Bears. I g uh Far, I just And I don't have any of that.
I mean, yeah, you'll notice behind me everything Giannis is magically gone. Don't worry about that. On my background, it's still right here. I still cherish it. Look, you can't take this away from us.
You can't take this away from us. By the way, 40 bucks. If anybody wants this, 40 bucks. Can't take it, but you could purchase it. Oh, there you go.
Oh, Paul. Damn, Paul, you're. But look at this. I did this Monday night. I don't know if you guys, I referenced this before.
On the topic of fav, going, going, gone. It's a TV guide when they were still small. Oh, there's Paul and Giannis. NFL 2003.
Okay. Oh, yeah, Paul. First of all, Paul, first of all. What's this picture of you and Yannis doing up in your basement? I thought you didn't look back at memories.
That's not what I said. Yeah, it is what you said. I'm actually quite the scrapbooker, if I may say so. Yeah, record keeper, that makes sense. Yeah, record keeper.
Yeah. So it's not about that, but it's already like...
Well, whatever. We went up to re rehearse it, rehash it. Not rehearse it, rehash it. You ready? Oh my goodness.
I knew it was a bad idea leaving the spot again.
Okay. You ready for the next one? Yeah. Are you?
Well, until the phone falls. I thought about this as a bardometer, but let's just try this. I think this might be the most subjective question I've ever asked, and it's very much like Eye of the Beholder. Answer? And I'm still workshopping what I want my answer to be.
So with that. Preface. The person who looks the worst Coming out of Jim's Journal Sentinel long form article. The person who looks the worst Coming out of that. As Jim recounted the past extensively three years, But I think it was a little bit more than that if you chronicle back a little bit farther further.
Again, I'm thinking about who I want to say, but I think my answer. The person who comes out looking the worst out of that article. Is Yannis? Mm-hmm or mm-mm? And boy, there are some good contenders.
Oh, there's some good contenders. Who are we picking from? Like, who's on the table? Doc, Horst, Haslam. I mean, those are probably the leaders in the clubhouse.
Is Griffith on the team? Alex Sartasis, Giannis' agent, might be actually the real winner. Um is Griffin an option? Adrian Griffin is an option. Yes.
I just want to know who the options are. I mean, that's a good question. And I think those are probably six or seven of. This is why I can't trust any agents. This Alex Sartassis guy, and remember, I can't find the clip.
Where he's like, we told him we weren't going to dunk. Yeah, and then he dunked. And then we gave him. I just with agents and I don't understand. And I don't like I just never feel like they have their client, their clients' interests.
You're getting money off I They always have their clients' interests in mind. That's the thing. I think that's just it. And they're getting paid to be the fallman for when their client says, Well, I don't know. I don't control what they do.
And then when the client is told by a reporter, but they work for you.
Well, I guess that's true. And then all of a sudden the leaks stop. Right. I mean, it's like.
So in that in that specific article. With everything that was mentioned in Jim's article. I would say the person that comes out looking the worst is Doc. He's he's he's probably my very close Second. And do you remember in the article there was one game, and I think we talked about it.
It looked like when it happened, it was like, there's no way Doc can keep his job after this game. And it referenced that moment. It referenced that night. Who was the player that Jim referenced? That's, or maybe it was an anonymous player who said, I assumed when we got back to Milwaukee, we'd have a different coach.
Oh, I have the real answer. The real answer is Pat Conaton. Because there's a quote of Pat Connett in NBA team. When I own a team, I'm going to remember what not to do. That didn't bother me.
I figured it would bother you. It doesn't bother me. I don't think it bothers me, it's just like... Mm-hmm. Yeah.
It's just like, oh, yeah, when I own a radio station someday, I'm not going to treat employees the way I feel I was treated. Yeah. You're not gonna own shit. Stupid asshole. You know that, um If I ran a radio station.
Like my long feud with 97.3, the game. If I actually ever took over there. I wouldn't have fired anybody. I would have been too chicken shit. Firing someone's not my, I can't do it.
Higher your friend, neighborhood robot to do the firings for you. George Clooney, I gave you George Clooney. You good at firing people, Paul? No comment. Anyway, what's your answer, Yannis?
So I think mine is Giannis.
So I think, Bart, you said. Do you say what did you go with Doc?
So mm mm he enters doc? I don't know. I mean...
Okay, otherwise, do your bardum. Who's the top five in order? Like, if you're struggling with an official number one. No, I don't care about that. I just, I'm trying to figure out if it's.
Because the article was written after Giannis got traded.
So, Giannis is going to look how he looks. See, I don't necessarily, I don't really think it's a an outcome-based Answer though. Um Because again, some of the No, no, no. No.
I mean, no, no, Dame looks good. Dame looks good. Dame does look good. Chris doesn't, looks neutral to good. People shouting.
Drew looks good. I think I saw someone tweet this. And you know, I think it's easy to have the same thought, but It's a wonder they won one at all. And that's what I was saying the other night. Like Thank God we won one, but also thank God we won one.
Yeah, and I think it's imagine this era. Imagine he gets traded the other night. And we never won a title with them. For sure, it's a whole different, and I think that's why. Ab nauseum Like when Rogers and McCarthy were on the podium with the championship belt, and Rogers is 26 years old, and McCarthy's a young man, and Clay Matthews is 25 or whatever.
You're looking right at it behind me. I can't quite see it, but that's yeah. That's like, that was the moment where you're like. Like, let me ask you this. Compared to when, when, when.
When Rogers and McCarthy and company won that title. In February of 2011, it was great, it was fine, but it was with the assumption. Right, that this is the first of two or three, or at least another or two or three or four appearances in the Super Bowl, if not titles. I mean, I did not feel the same way when the buck, when Giannis said, you know, Chris, we did it. And then we are one and done for sure.
It was one and but I'm also then comforted by that's how I felt at the time. Um, as I looked at, as I immediately had the aftermath, I this was the beginning of a dynasty for sure. And that was the thought. Like, if if the Thunder don't get back to a title in the next five years, How are their fans feeling after they won it last year? Like, okay, this is clearly the first of three.
Yeah. And that, and that might even be conservative. What if the Thunder don't go back? Whereas with the Bucs, when they won their title. They had a year or two left to try to get back.
And then it was over. And I think once that window passed, and Brooke became mid-30s, and Chris and his injuries caught up, and now Chris is what, 33-year-olds himself, 33 years old himself. Remember that all the stuff, too, where Drew Holly was talking about like retiring at the end of his current contract? I mean, there was the Brogdon aspect of it that happened along the way. It just didn't feel like, okay, well, this is the first of many.
And what that was going to say is the comforting part beyond that is the past eight NBA champions are eight different teams.
So unless you think the Knicks are going to snap that streak. Um Like it's probably going to continue.
So it's the NBA is going to at the way and it's going to probably keep getting more like this because of The way that the lottery odds have shifted. Like, there's just going to be a new champion every year. Like, enjoy it because that's what you get. You get the one. Ooh, the Bucks are.
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Is he honest? Mm-hmm. Or mm mm-hmm.
So, you said this is subjective, so we kind of get to answer how totally. Um I think the person who looks worse. Is Adrian Griffin? like yeah yeah that's a fair we don't talk about him anymore But is that the worst coaching hire in any of the American professional sports this century? That's actually a great topic that I might spend an exhaustive amount of hours with in the next week.
The team quit on him before they ever played a game. They were fighting in the shower in front of the media and didn't care. and didn't care. Um So In a vacuum, if we're just weighing all these individuals and how good or bad they were at their jobs, Adrian Griffin and it's not close, but I guess the way I subjectively see it then is. Adrian Griffin was Giannis' guy.
Yes. And he identified that as the guy to be the coach.
So I put that on Giannis. And I think I tweeted this, I talked about this on my show on Wednesday night. I think 90% of the things in that Jim Olzarski story. Where we read these things, we're like, oh, it's terrible. I think 90% of them.
Are not a problem or never happen if Adrian Griffin isn't hired. If they just hire some Atkinson. I mean, I mean, reportedly, right? I mean, I don't think it was mentioned in the article, but the reporting at the time was that Horst wanted Kenny Atkinson before he went to the house. Why was Griffin Giannis' guy?
Because he, because as the article pointed out, run over him.
Well, he thought he, for some reason, he thought this was like his personal, his popovich, his Phil Jackson, like Jim wrote.
Now that's ridiculous because of the 20-year assistant that Couldn't get a job anywhere else, see, but that's what that's why. I, as much as it's like, holy Griffin was, we knew, incompetent in the moment. By the way, is he? He's not working. That's another thing.
He's like, he's nowhere. Whereas, like, Bud was immediately rehired, right? You know, it's like, if you're good and you get fired, if you're not even like, you go and coach someone Daniels flames out twice, immediately goes back to being an awesome coordinator for sure. Every one of these people on TV or whatever. That are like, how dare the Bucks hire a coat or fire a coach at 31 and 13?
And yet anytime a coaching job comes up, they never go.
Well, you know, Adrian Griffin had the Bucs at 31 and 13 before he got fired. Nobody ever says that. And you know what? Another thing, Paul, is they were, what were they, 31 and 13? They were 31 and 13 without a coach.
That team was good. They were good. To very loosely paraphrase Jim, like they staged a coup against their coach. I have been told that Giannis and Adrian Griffin connected over their faith. And their spirituality, that that was a thing that they.
They kind of Um But how did Yannis? They quit on him before the season started. It was that bad. How do you not? How can you not suss that out?
Giannis and by extension, the Bucks. And of course, you can blame the Bucks.
Well, the Bucks just let Giannis do whatever they want. Yeah, but because, folks, that's kind of the way it works a little bit. I also think Giannis is very agreeable to like the first thing that's proposed to him. Yeah. Or at least, or at least used to be, like, before he felt like he used up his allotment of things I can speak up for and be and be wrong.
I almost used it. I went with allotment, but yeah, very well done. His quotient would be another good word. Nice. But, like, just to, and then I'll give it back to you, Paul, and I'll be done.
All the other things that they didn't like, how they did Drew Holiday dirty. If they had a coach and they were winning and they were a top seed, they'd get over it very quickly. That's business in the NBA. We're contending we don't have time to mess around with it. Like all these other little things.
Oh, you didn't resign Thanasis until August. If you're winning and you're good with an actual coach, that. All that stuff just becomes little. Bits of NBA melodrama. And of course, Doc Rivers is never hired.
So just if they don't hire the worst coach in American professional sports this century. 90% of that story and all the things that happened either don't happen or they're just not a big deal.
So, the only thing I'll add to that, which I completely agree with the comments on Griffin, and I'm going to do that list. That sounds like a fun exercise to put together the worst coaches of the past. Century across American sports. He was worse than you were a kid and you had days where you didn't get homework from school. Were you like depressed?
No, the like homework assigned is not fun. But, like, things that you can chase on your own that you're intrigued by is like dopamine central.
So, so don't give, yeah. If I assign my own homework, I'll work my ass off. Just don't you about Paul all the time? Yeah. The doctor a day keeps the doctor away.
I did like that one recently. The thing I'd say about Adrian Griffin, though, his incompetence aside. Hiring him and the process upon which hiring him, it's not if someone gets hired into a role they're not ready for, it's not that person's problem for not being ready for the role they clearly weren't ready for. Like, oh, I'm so sorry you hired me to be the NBA coach. I guess I'll do my best, even though I'm not going to be fucking, I'll try.
Like, why did you hire me? I don't know. I'm going to get hired to replace Wicket. Yeah. Sure.
But but that's I blame the process. And Griffin is just the, he just was the guy that they went with.
So, Giannis. Having a say, the front office and ownership going for that when that's not what they wanted, at least reportedly. Is to me the pro the bigger issue because it should be about process more than anything. I just spotted it at the press conference, by the way. Another Paul Imig W for press conferences matter.
You could see it in his eyes. I mean, he had every bit Griffin did of the Adam Gase press conference where you're like, oh. Like, he's not ready for this. Like, if a coach sits down and just is like in over their skis at a fucking press conference. Mm-hmm.
Uh there can't And well. It's already started poorly because they're like, they're not, it's a bright, bright light. It's a lot of stuff. Um Okay, one one quick one, then I'm gonna save. Save the rest.
Grant, you you complimented my the topic a couple weeks ago about like the Packers leading rusher this season will Be someone who is not currently on the roster.
Okay. Well, these are the best, yeah. Two years from right now. The best player on the Bucs? will be Someone not currently on the roster.
Or mm-mm. Two years from today. No, I would say mm-mm. Because it will be Um LeBron James. Mike Rollins.
I don't, so just you know, I had Rollins as my answer, and then I was like. No, I mean, I don't know if in two years he'll be their best player. I'm not aware believer. But that might be my internal. I also.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean shit is it Tyler Hero? Like he may not be, he may not be here in a week, but if he is, he is. But if Tyler Hero's here, it's because they have intentions to re-sign him because you're not going to go into a contract year with Tyler Hero where he's going to have the ball in his hands as much as anybody in the NBA.
He's going to put up at least, you know, non-winning, may not be laid to wins, but he'll put up raw numbers. And that means he's going to get $45 million a year.
So if you don't trade him by July 6th, He's going to be on the team, which means he's going to be the leading scorer. Is that true for this Germany-Ecuador game? Are you sure Ecuador? What, Paul? All right, well, you guys can talk about that in two minutes, but what's your...
So are you both saying mm-mm?
So Bart's going Rollins and Grant? Is saying I'll say mm-hmm, it's not someone on the roster, because I think ownership will get. wet feet, cold feet. I want to see. I don't think I want to see Tyler Herrow get $45 million a year from the Bucs.
Yeah, neither do I. But I don't, I want to see a half season of Tyler Hero on the Bucks. I want to see it. I want to know what it looks like. I don't want him to trade him right now.
I can't trade him at this time. Can I see it? Can I see it for a month? Yeah, I'm going to see it. What's it look like?
I'm gonna see it. I don't want to trade them. Not now. But you seeing it. Could raise his value at the trade deadline, sure.
Maybe I'll fall in love with it. But then again, but then you you Leak. You're not gonna just like with I mean hero has value Obviously, this is not a Julius Randle. You need to trade. I mean, he's got Yannis at a coupon value, Paul.
No, that's not true. He has And a first-round pick in 2033. And 2031. And 2026 And 2025 and 2024. And 2023, Giannis went for seven.
Giannis was traded for seven firsts. The Bucks traded. The Bucs traded for a guy who hasn't even hit puberty yet. You understand that? Whoever the first round pick is in 2033.
Kid's 11 years old right now. That's true. That's true. It's ridiculous.
So the reason I'm okay so Yeah, if if Hero can go out and put up numbers. Um That just means that you have to then be prepared that if you can't move them at the trade deadline, you're not going to let them walk for nothing. because he's an unrestricted free agent a year from now, hero is.
So you're if you get past July 6th, Yeah, you could trade him at the deadline. but this is the best chance to do it because you can package it up into a much larger three, four, five, six, seven team trade. which is easier than doing it as a something at the deadline. And so, I'm open to anything. I don't really care what they do.
Whatever, bring it on. I'm excited to see what happens next. All right, Paul. I'll talk to you later tonight. Let's do it.
Can't wait. See you, buddy. Bye, guys. One more thing for you, Grant. Oh, I was going to say, do you have Okay.
Well, yeah, I saw your tweet about um Jesus Christ. He's still on. Yeah, I don't know what's going on there. I'm gonna kick him out of the room. Yeah.
Um, the tweet you had about still no goodbye or thank you post from Giannis. Yeah. That is weird.
Well So there's a chance. That He's just waiting for the trade to be official. And it's not yet. But he did comment. Did you see his Instagram comment?
That's the thing. If you're not going to. Um The next thing you do has to be the goodbye post. The Instagram comment, if you didn't see Spectrum, Wisconsin. Took a picture of the mural.
And Yannis said. Like, haha, I'm not dead people. Which Yeah. I have one more thing to say.
Okay. Is it possible? That Yannis is dumb. Yes. Is it possible he's just like a...
Like he's never really. Like, how old is he? 31? I think he's immature. Is it possible he's...
13 going on 31. Yeah. I brought up Michael Jackson early. He didn't have a chance to. He went from selling trinkets on the street to, hey, man, we're going to move your family to Milwaukee, and you're like expected to be the guy now.
Good luck. Germany already scored. The game started two minutes ago. Who are they playing? Ecuador Ooh, throw out the records in those two play.
Okay, I'm only. I'm sorry to keep you. I got to just show you one more thing. You're fine. Because I know.
You're right about like. If you're not posting a thank you until the trade's official, then you can't. You can't comment, don't say anything, don't post anything until then. Look at this guy. Look at this guy.
This guy's the best. He goes, he goes, Ecuador versus Germany today is the first match of the World Cup between countries where their consonants and vowels are in complementary positions.
So they're both seven-letter countries. And where the E is for Ecuador vowel, the G is for Germany constant. And it goes that way the entire The countries. I was like, wow, that's pretty crazy. And then someone goes, um, How are you figuring this out?
AI assistance? I saw the match on the schedule and I thought, huh. Those countries have their consonants and vowels in complementary positions. And then I checked all the previous matches to make sure that they didn't. And something Paul would do.
Reminds me of Wheel of Fortune. Been watching a lot of Wheel of Fortune for some reason. Yeah, like what time? You said you were watching Wheel of Fortune like 8 o'clock at night. Are you DVRing this shit?
No, it's on Hulu.
So, you're going to Hulu to watch Wheel of Fortune? Celebrity Wheel of Fortune, which is shockingly close to regular Wheel of Fortune. I don't know who the fuck these people are. Um Jordan Sparks is one of the contestants, but the other two people are. You know Brett Gelman?
Yeah, Brett Gelman had him booked for an interview once and then He decided not to pick up his phone. He sucked at Wheel of Fortune. And the middle guy like was a producer on Mr. Show. And that's who was doing Celebrity Wheel.
Um Ryan Seacrest makes Like a lot of money doing Wheel of Fortune. I texted you about this. Ryan Seacrest is one of the most interesting figures in American media to me because. And I say this with all due. I don't know that he does a single thing that like.
He's always there, but are we ever paying attention? you know type of thing He's like white noise. Yeah, like if Ryan Secret. Ordered coffee at the coffee shop you were sitting in. Would you even notice?
Yeah, but I don't think I'd go up to him because what am I going to say? I don't go up to anybody. True. But like He's on everything. And he makes, I looked up what he made from all these, he makes a ridiculous amount of money, but I don't think there's an ounce of impact in anything he does, anyways.
Mm-hmm. Like he hosts Dick Clark Rock and E. I don't think he does American Idol anymore. I guess that was the thing. No, he does.
He still does. Jesus. He still does. And he replaced Regis, right? He had replaced Regis.
for a while, but he left and now it's Kelly and Mark. Mark who. Consuela's her real husband. No.
As opposed to a fake one. Wheel, and I guess people watch wheel. I was like, who watches it that pulls big numbers? Uh Yeah, also Germany. CBS 58.
They don't have a six o'clock news. Because before they started a news division. Jeopardy aired at 6 and Wheel of Fortune aired at 6.30, and they would lose money. If they had a six o'clock news instead of Jeopardy. Yeah, that makes sense.
Some people, maybe this is what Adrian Griffin does. Maybe this is his life.
Some people wake up and all that matters to them is. That power hour of jeopardy and wheel. You can't call grandma during Jeopardy and Wheel. They're two Americas, man. Jeopardy, I get wheel.
I only ever watched Wheel. Like the last five minutes before a show would come on at seven o'clock. Sure. In the linear times. Oh, my dude, it's so funny.
My kid, I had the radio, the radio on outside when we were playing basketball. And a commercial came on after a song. And he went and started pressing buttons. And I'm like, what are you doing? He goes, how do you skip these?
Ugh. That's crushing to hear. I was crushed. This happened today. This is a fresh story, a fresh anecdote.
I wouldn't have been able to. Proceed. I was like, oh Christ. Oh, God. It's a rate.
He doesn't get it. Because to him, it's just everything's the same. We're losing recipes. We're a planet of iPad kids. I got really mad because one station had You Give Love a Bad Name on, and then I switched, and another station had that song on five minutes later.
Like, figure it out. I think occasionally sitting through commercials is good for us. I appreciate the art of a good local commercial. The problem is, now you listen to like a big iHeart station. Music station and all the spots are like the iHeartRadio Music Festival coming up in Vegas.
It's like, well, this isn't interesting to me. But if you go somewhere like Sparta, if you listen to Cow, or you, you know, you're in Baribou and you throw on Come on down to fridge. Fred's Country Market, where we got all your finest seeds and John Deere toys. It's the guy who owns it, he's owned it forever. You know, like that.
And we need a little bit of that. I was listening to an interview. I don't know why. Conan O'Brien was on John Mayer's Serious X. Yeah, I saw that too.
And Conan is talking about how he actually likes going through TSA. And people were sharing this interview and saying, it is the struggle, it is our. Our patience and our uncomfortability that makes us human. That was a good point. Waiting occasionally occasionally waiting in a line.
Or it's sitting through a commercial, unlike your What generation is your son? Z X, what what is Z? Alpha, maybe? Unlike a Generation Alpha iPad kid. you know.
Um Interesting. Anyways.
Well, Grant, you've struggled through these last five minutes. I thank you for that. You're on force. It was nice to chat with you, Bart. I've enjoyed your Bucks live streams.
I'm not trying to give you crap. No, I don't think you're in denial or anything. I just think everyone's so intent. I'm excited to be young. I'm excited for something new.
It's like, I don't know, man. The other guy was really good. Like that. Anyways.
Hey, we got a Barn Burner Ecuador 1-1 already tied. Turned it on. It's that classic Germany-Ecuador type game. I know. When they get together, I laughed out loud when Wagner said that shit.
Oh, it's so fucking funny. It was really good. It took me so off guard. That is so good. All right.
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