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Download today. Damn. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome into the Winkler Verse. I'm Bart Winkler.
Grant Phil's alongside. Paul Emmig is here. Our goodest of buddies. Um I need to start with, and this is some prop comedy. I need to start with a verbal thank you.
And an audio thank you and a video thank you.
So, this is from Dan Shaney YouTube for the full experience of this. And I'll. I'll probably clip some of this. I got mail the other day. From Fanatics.
I did not order anything from Fnatics.
Somebody sent me the shirt upon which I am wearing now, Luke Combs. Miller Park. Or whatever. Wow. Ampampiel.
Uh April twelfth and thirteenth. They also sent me Something else. Oh no. The Whisko Jersey shirt. That I hate so much, yellich.
So somebody went to Fnatics. Bought not one, but two shirts. That they knew I would hate. And I can only say Either how about a thank you and a fuck you. To whoever did this to me.
It's kind of a yellow t-shirt jersey. That's not nothing. That's got to be 40, 50 bucks. Yeah, I was going to say, that's not a cheap shirt. No, I somebody s somebody spent money.
To tease you sent him to my house. As a joke. Yeah. Which scares me. But I also respect See, I just don't, I don't think I look good in the Wisco shirt.
That's the whole thing. The only reason I don't like it is I don't think I look good in it. I think you look great, Bart. Yeah. It's a t-shirt.
What do you mean you don't look good at 'cause it's blue? I just hate this little ice cream font and the whole thing. I just. I hate it. They finally won a game in these, which I was...
Actively rooting against Jacob Mizurowski. Wow. Baseballs ever. That's messed up, man. What what I never wanted them to win in these ever.
I did I'm really pissed they put Cece in it. I understand. I just I can't imagine getting as fired up as you've gotten up over it. Like, yeah, I agree, it's a little tacky, the CC thing. But So The Brewers did not come up with these jerseys.
Okay? Mikey did. Mm. The brewers are I'm assuming.
Okay. Sure. And I'm taking parts of What people tell me, and I don't know. Oh, you have Wisco sources. These are like...
They're not Okay. If the Brewers are gonna peddle upon us something they know is bad. What else don't they believe in? You know what I'm saying? Mm.
My thing with CC. Is it not bigger than this? C don't you think CC should be in the jersey that like he more prominently played in? Similar to like any person from any era of a sports team, if you're gonna If you're going to continue, you brought David Ortiz back, and he's in that yellow Boston jersey. Oh, yeah, I didn't see that.
Or if you bring Rizzo back and you put him in Wrigleyville. What are you doing? Yeah. No, they should they should be honored in the jersey that is most Synonymous with the Gary Sanchez's jersey. They used to be teammates.
I don't care.
Okay. I don't like the jersey. Really? I don't like that they force it upon people. And I don't like that people are like.
Oh I'm not in Milwaukee. The brewers finally notice me. They've been noticing you. The whole time. The Brewers have not shied away from any other part of this state ever, ever.
That's why there's a fucking roof on the goddamn stadium.
So, no matter where you are, you can always go to a game. You don't have to be like, I don't know if I should drive down from two rivers today because the game might get canceled. It won't! Oh. They thought about you.
You need a fucking jersey. No one says You're yelling that like this is a bad thing. that we can always have baseball games even if it's raining. Yeah, so they're already catered to. The brewer's relationship with outside of Even the 414.
Do you do that on your show? Like if you get a text, you go, and for the 608. If there's no, if there's no name on the number, maybe. I don't, that's a pet peeve of mine. I don't know what else you would do.
Well, that's the thing. I don't love it. I don't try to do it, but sometimes you, you know, that's a 920 number, you know, like. You can do it without being a major prick about it. And this from the 414.
Like, you got one here from the 262. And then it's like, oh, we got one. And then, and then if you do that.
Okay, 262-414-920-608-715. And then the other one, what's the other one? 534? I think those are the big ones. I don't know that there is another one.
Then you'll get a text from like Montana, and you'll be like, oh, from the 903. No one knows what the fuck that is. You can't be like. Oh, from the I guess you could be it from the 305. You could do the 305.
That one would make sense. That's Miami. Or 313 is Detroit, right? Everybody in the 313? 651 is the Twin Cities.
I know 303 is Colorado. 303. Yeah. Because of the because of the band. You know, 303, that's why.
Hmm. Where's 211 from? I don't know. I never got into 311. Oh, the old school stuff is fantastic with down and all mixed up.
They're mellow stuff, yeah. No, that's not the mellow stuff. Oh. That's the heavy stuff. That's not heavy.
Are they ska or were they after the ska craze? They were around the time frame of like when mighty, mighty boss tones kind of popularized it a little bit with real big fish. They were around the same time period, but. Probably elements of it, but no. Traditional ska instruments, right?
There's there was no No accompaniment of those types of you weren't a sky band, were you? Me? Yeah. No. Weren't you like heavy metal?
Rock. Not Ska though. Didn't you think when Sky was like happening that Sky was gonna last forever. No. I felt like it.
Oh, everyone at school fucking loves ska. We had a ska band. That like we thought was gonna go big in our high school. Yeah. And they played at the basement of a bowling alley, and their main song, the lyrics went.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was a fucking banger. Yeah, you remember it all these years later.
Sounds good. I mean, with that, yeah. With lyrical depth like that, you can see why. It was bound to be a hit. You know what song was in my head today, Pop by InSync?
Which one is pop? It goes. Once you did, you can't stop. All these people talk about something, and did they do what's the deal with it? Dunno, and when it's gonna, it's just about it's a song about how much you like listening to pop.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh enough about you. What's going on, brother men? Yeah.
Grant, what do you got? What do you mean? What do I got? You want me to get topics? You're the host.
I'm the most spot-up shooter of all spot-up shooters on this show. What do you mean? All right, I'm going to tee you up for one that I think you'll really enjoy. With the 10th pick. In the NBA draft.
You believe that John Horst will make the right decision. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm. I mean, mm-mm. I actually thought that was going to have more.
Given our texts over the recent days, I thought that might have more negativity in it. I mean, I would bet against most players being selected at number 10. I would bet against most NBA draft picks, period. Half of these guys go to college just to F off for a year and wait to get drafted. They're.
And then they never, yeah. I was listening to the Bill Simmons podcast, and they're like, he just didn't seem like he was that interested in college ball. I'm like, oh, what a great product this is. We're talking about the guy who could go number one overall.
Well, yeah, but he just didn't really care about, you know, his whole last year of playing his sport and all.
So I would just bet against most NBA draft picks. What what's Horst's great pick?
Well, when's the incident where you look and say, well, John Horse really outfought the room on that one? You know, when did he really get an evaluation right? Sam Merrill at sixty. Yeah, the one the one guys who they They've done okay with, they've shipped out. I guess Dante.
Did he drop Dante? Dante was 17th overall. That was a John Horst pick. And then he was later traded for one, Serge Ibaka. When did.
When did horse take over? When did horse take over? I think you said wind horse. Um 20 DJ Wilson was his first pick, right? That sounds right.
It was a how many years after Yannick? He didn't draft Thon. Thon was 16. That sounds like a John Hammond one, yeah. John Hammond special.
So, DJ Wilson and Sendarius Thornwell. Remember, we were all pumped about him. And these guys.
Well, both of these guys had good tournaments. Uh John Horst, June of 2017. Yeah. So he drafts these guys fresh off of March Madness. Then the next year he drafts Dante.
When did he take Sterling Brown? I always liked him. Sterling K-Brown? Why are you laughing? I think he was a second-round pick.
Like, he was okay. I also don't look like the Dante trade, looking back, did not work. But I don't think they were ever going to pay him. Which they which is a which is a miscalculation and a and a misassessment though.
Well, but they had to pay Chris and then they ultimately paid Drew. Like they paid other guys though. They didn't cheat out.
So the question then isn't that they could or couldn't pay Dante. Then it's an ownership question at the time of was the ownership willing to make like a be it beyond a luxury tax situation? Because you can. Keep everyone on your roster, and you can go into luxury tax territory, which they eventually did during the championship run. If they pay Dante, then can they not was that before or after they got Drew there?
No, because he was on the team when Drew was he was on the title team. He was just hurt.
Okay, my timeline's a little off. All right. Yeah. But the point is, just like when they let PJ Tucker walk for nothing. is like That was cheating.
You can pay your own guys. Even back in the day, ironically, coincidentally, at least, when the Thunder traded James Hardin, because they said, oh, we can only sign two of Ibaka or Durant and Hardin. And they're like, well, we got to let's get ahead of this and trade one of them. Like, the tax rules have changed in those 15 years since, but it wasn't like.
Well, we can't pay Dante.
Well, you could have and still done everything you did. It would have just. taxed you up worse than you than you might have wanted. Sure. But yeah, Dante was a great pick at 17 overall.
Um I don't know. He's never drafted this high. He has literally never drafted even close to this high. 17. 17, the highest.
He took two college guys. EJ and Dante at 17 overall in consecutive years. The problem for me is the last few years. Like, what was even the point?
Well w what was the point of drafting Marjon Bochamp? What was the point of drafting A.J. Johnson? What is the point of drafting him and then putting him in a deal? Tyler Smith.
Chris Livingston, we were all stacked about because. Uh, Livingston only wanted to play here or some shit. He told other people not to draft him, and then. And then he got drafted at 50. And these guys, they don't.
They don't get a chance. They don't get run. Yeah. It's gonna say suck.
Well, it was the wrong time. I know, but you drafted them. You used a resource, the few resources you ever have, you're using on guys, and then you don't do anything with them.
Well, they drafted, for example. The whole process is flawed. When they took, for example, they took these projects, A.J. Johnson and Marjan Bocham, for example, were obviously projects. The idea Was, I think, flawed.
And I think most people. That follow the team closely knew it was flawed in the moment, which was. No one's thinking, even John Horace wasn't like, yeah, these guys are going to contribute as rookies. But you were in what you thought at least was a championship window. Why wouldn't you take to your earlier point, Bart, about like the DJ Wilsons and the Dantes, these college-ready guys who can step in and at least be role players in year one?
It was strange even. Sure. Yeah, I mean, and who was that? That's a good example. Tamani Kamara, who got a lot of playoff run with Um Was it Portland or Phoenix?
EJ Mitchell's the guy they could have had. He's playing well for the Thunder. No, that one is. I mean, who knows if he would have been as good with the Bucs as he is with Oklahoma City, but that's, yeah. Not great.
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And it's not because they win. I miss dynasties. I long for the days where we had the same finals warrior hero. You've got one. You've got one.
I hate them. I hate all the players on that team. I hate their coach, whatever his deal is. I hate how Jalen Williams dresses like a model and sits on the bench and is going to bus ride his way to another championship. Oh, shit.
SGA last night. He he came in like some black coat that wouldn't With like no undershirt and some Like hat. Do you think do you think SGA Sh like I don't know if he's ever said this or been asked about this, but. Is this like an embracing the villain? archetype role type of thing where you're like, All right, you think I'm a...
Fowl hunting. I don't know if dirty player, but like a guy, like, all right, let's, let's go. I'm going to dress like a villain. I'm going to, I'm going to do press conferences like a villain. You want your villain?
I'm your villain. Let's go. It's not even like a villain should kick someone's ass, like play a little dirty. You don't get to lean into a villain arc when you're, when the source of your villainy is being a pussy and flopping. Like, oh, you, you like, no, that's not, you shouldn't get to lean into that.
I'll disagree with you. I mean, I'll disagree with you from a pro wrestling perspective. Like, the best heels are the shit heels, like the ones that like give you a little kick and then they roll out of the ring because you, now you can't get them, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And you play to the crowd, like, I just, I just went up to you and the ref didn't see it.
So it's a it's an underhanded heel. Tactic, sort of villain, I guess. Not a strong heel, a strong villain, but a Underhanded one. And I guess I would then point out the difference between professional wrestling and professional wrestling. There's no difference, it's all scripted.
But I get I get what you're saying. Like, yes, the heel is the guy who cheap shots and, you know, like takes advantage of the rules in ways that others also could, but don't. By the way, I also hate it. I'm not advocating for more SGAs. I was really hoping that.
you know, when the foul hunters of Only a few years ago, they were at the top of their game, like that they would have faded away and then the league would have moved in a different direction. But then you have. SGA, you have Luca and just has anyone called him the Oh, s okay.
Okay, C Pop Fowl Hunters. Oh. Stop. It was better. In my head, it's not that funny, Paul.
I don't know if it's funny, but I like it. I want to see it, I want to see it in writing. K-pop demon hunters. What are the what is that?
Well, okay. It's the thing I hear. Then you're out of your depth because it's like it was a movie on Netflix, and the soundtrack is incredible.
So good. Yeah. Um but also You don't have Kids of the right age.
So I understand that you might not know that he knows of. Nail them. Very well played. Bart. You have confidence that John Horse is going to nail this 10th overall pick.
Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm. I have confidence that Christian Jelich is back. Did you see this? He is back tonight.
Have you seen this? Have you heard about this? Really? Yelly's back. As in the lineup tonight?
Do you think it has activated them with you receiving a Wisco 22 Yellow jersey today? I mean, it's good, it's a good karma. It's not the I put it on and then Yelich gets activated three minutes later. Girls. Tyler Black has been sent.
To hell. Oh, No, I have absolutely no confidence in John Horst. In fact, whatever pick that we Pick, I assume, is going to be the wrong one. I they don't have he's shown he's shown again. This is the highest he'll ever pick.
But he has shown. That this team They don't do anything with these guys. Who was the guy last year that we draft? Kelly Zakis, or what was the guy's name? Oh, the Serbian fella, right?
The guy was trying to pronounce. Or why? Why did I ever bother learning how to say his name? But Poojis Catellis or some shit? I don't remember.
Sure. But he doesn't, they don't do anything with these picks. They don't value them. All of a sudden, now, You're gonna tell me to do something that You haven't done it in nine years? It's like asking LaFleur to win a big playoff game.
Well, I was going to say, who do you have more confidence in to get a first-round pick right? Brian Gudikinst? Or John Horst. Goody, at least. Those guys get the opportunity.
They get run. They just end up fucking sucking.
So what's maybe maybe it's worse to get Yeah. They don't suck. Like the Bucs first-round picks cannot play in the NBA. Like AJ Johnson cannot play in the NBA. Like Rashawn Gary doesn't.
He never sucked.
Well, he sucked last year. But Van Ness is getting another crack at the fifth year, and they're not giving up on him.
Well, why would they? He's a fine rotational defensive end. Yeah. These are not super at that fifth-year contract. Making like 12 million bucks.
The wild thing about John Horst is he has done all of this. He has maintained Giannis and kept this together and won a championship and hit zero draft picks along the way. Like he I don't even know. That's impressive. Yeah.
and given a bunch away. Yeah. Well I get I understand the trade part of it. I understand why he would have done the trades that he did. It was weird watching the draft lottery.
It's been 10 years since you had to watch the draft lottery to figure out where the Bucs were going to go. Wasn't it weird? That was weird. It was a unique experience. Not for me.
I don't like having to keep up with all the scenarios, and I didn't like being responsible for any of that information that was.
So then we'll mention the Pacers. Let's do it. Because that is just stunning. Their chances weren't even like They had like a 52% chance to get a top four pick. That was it.
Yeah. Yep. They couldn't put more protection protections on that pick. Which you shouldn't be able to do anyway is stupid. I agree with that.
And now they're going to be limiting the opportunity for. pick protections in this new well this new proposed draft draft lottery system. Good. If you trade a pick, you should that pick's traded. Like, that's what's great about the NFL.
Like, the Falcons give up a first to get James Pierce Jr. He T-bones a woman with her with his car, and then they suck. And it's like the Rams are gonna, you know what I mean? Like, you trade a pick, you should have to trade a pick. Yeah, I'll give you a problem, but not if it's 28 through 32.
What's the point? Yeah. And then it'll kick down the year. That's another thing about I'm listening to all these podcasts trying to understand what the hell we watched. And it's like, well, because it didn't kick this year, it's going to swing to 2029 when it'll be this is way too much.
This is way, it's too much getting kicked down the line. It's too much parenthetical stuff. Like, you trade a pick, you trade a pick. It should be right away. And it should be without protections or without all of these.
you know, bylines and asterisks that we all have to learn. Paul, you got to love all this shit. It's just so nerdy. And then the new lottery thing is so fucking nerdy. It's great.
100%. It's great. Um, I understand why, like, what got you into sports? Like, did you? I mean, I was looking at box scores one day and we're like.
I have no idea how these guys did what they did, but The numbers lined up together are fucking sick.
Well, two things. One, I was a good childhood athlete. Two, I did really like looking at box scores in the newspaper. I did. Um That was a good one.
Bedtimes in your house? Don't chart them. Bedtime overexpected. I do, I do have a four-month. calendar at all times, looking out four months about Various.
Well, that's that's fine. I mean, you you gotta know where you're going. Yeah. But no, like a Yeah. Bedtime was 8:12 last night.
That was. 12 minutes below average, but right now we're nesting at seven minutes. Above average, so it's still within the You know, REM sleep zone expected. Outcome window, yeah. There's got to be some metric name we could come up with, but I'll tell you one of the best things.
You know, I love my kid, he's the greatest person to ever exist, but. But one of the best things about him is he never wakes up early. Yeah. Like I gotta wake him up for school. No matter what, no matter how long he sleeps.
He does not wake up early. I got all these parents saying, oh, they.
Well, it doesn't matter what time you go to bed. He wakes up at 5.30. I don't know. I see five thirty on that clock. I know I got another two hours in me.
Wow. That's great. But what time do you get, Paul? Me? Seven.
Wow. Seven. What do you get up, like six? I get up at like 5:30. I'm surprised that Paul sleeps as long as he does.
Really? What what would give you that impression? I don't know, just you'd have a series of alarms linked up with. I don't know. The sunrise, and you know, I but I'm sleeping rhythm, yeah, his circadian rhythm, yeah.
I'm sleep challenged at night, so that's my cross to bear. I'm sleep challenged as soon as there's an ounce of daylight coming into my window. That's kind of it for me.
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Happy Place Hemp. Dot com. Do you ever like come across old The ones we've done of these four years ago, there was one I posted that looked like this. Hmm. Not great at all.
I don't like this either. Mm-mm. Go widescreen. Yeah, there we go. All right.
Oh, we still have the little Carl's place box up there I got to fix. Here's my.
So, anything else on Tom Horst? I'll say also though. Not to Uh not to the degree that I don't think the two of you are. Anti-traditional trusting of horse. I'm also well are we picking 10?
Well Is that his first pick? All right, so you want to do that?
Well, let me ask you this first. I want to ask you, I have two Giannis questions. Here's the first one. Oh, I have a Giannis question. Go ahead.
No, it's I have two Giannis questions also. They're quicker. I drove by the Deta Coompros. Store today. What are they going to do with that?
They're not just going to keep that here, are they? Nobody fucking goes there except for when he's there. And then also What's he up to? Little Tom's drive-in in Appleton, little Milwaukee County Zoo. Is he kind of Hitting off the bucket list one more time.
We're kind of making sure we do all tips. Is at the top of the list? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how the fuck he ended up in Appleton. I've got no ungodly idea.
What is Giannis doing in Appleton? I don't know. It'd be good to know. Be interesting to know. And then Guardian job is driving.
Tom's driving is elite though. I've never like all drive-ins are the fucking same. No, they have great ice cream. Oh, I bet. The sugar and milk that's cold that they give you in a bowl that tastes good.
Good. Bart, what's your other Giannis topic question? The store and the two ice cream. Try to keep up with them. Yeah.
Sorry, I didn't know if those were packaged in one. You can only Cross off one Future potential Giannis next team. You, Bart Winkler, you Grant Bill is good to say he's this is the one team he's not allowed to go to. The trade comes through, and they find out that Grant Bills and Bart Winkler said, Nope, that's the one team he can't go to. It was decreed on Into the Winklerverse.
Good question. Good topic. Because on Sunday, I said that. I'd rather have the package be worse. If it assures he doesn't go to, and I name like seven or eight teams.
But if there's just one team you get one Team. To not allow Giannis to go to, it's on your no trade list for Giannis. That one I'm down to three. All right. Shit.
Four. Five? That one team Um Transparently, I don't know if I know mine yet, but I'll tell you the direction I'm leaning in this question: the one you would put on your no trade list for Giannis. I'm debating between two. Yeah.
Is the Boston Celtics mm-hmm or mm-mm. I split, I almost said Knicks, but I'm going to stick with Celtics. I think my answer is Celtics because I don't want to hear Bill Simmons suddenly become a big Giannis fan and tell us why he's the best player that the Celtics have ever, whatever, whatever.
Okay, let's play it, let's do the scenarios. If he goes to the Celtics. We're getting Jalen Brown back.
Well, no, then you move Jalen Brown to a third team, and then you get Jalen Johnson from the Hawks, and you can figure it all out. But Giannis is a Celtic. Giannis is a Celtic. And suddenly he would be treated differently. All of a sudden, he's an all-time great.
Of course. And I and Bill Simmons, who I don't like love everything about whatever, but like I really enjoy his show. He's like a good connection for me to like the NBA national sphere, even though I'll hear some things and I'm like, that clearly has a ton of bias built in or personal affection for the person of whom you're speaking. Like, I all of that baked in, still really like it. I don't want to hear him go from like the, yeah, this just ain't it, into like a, now this is the best player of the past 20 years.
And this is why I don't want to hear it because I'll probably then stop listening. I don't want to stop listening. Um All right, so if he goes to the Knicks. Knicks, then it's over.
Now, Shams is a big Giannis fan. Shams will take a victory lap about how he got him to a big market. The Knicks will then claim Giannis because most likely what's going to happen is the Knicks will lose in the finals to OKC. Then They'll trade for Giannis in this scenario. Then they trade for Giannis.
And in the next two years, let's say with Giannis, they win a title.
Now we, as Giannis Bucks fans from the state of Wisconsin, Wisco. are like shearing him. with New York and New York will overpower what we have. Especially because the Knicks have, you know, they kind of kept inching their way toward the playoffs in this Jalen Brunson era, and then Giannis puts it over the top, and it's unbearable. I think the Bulls are a contender for obvious reasons.
I can't think of it. I guess the Heat, just because the Heat have thought that they've had him for 10 years for some reason, despite not having a great collection of stuff. Though if you believe certain reporting, it's the Heat were the closest team to getting Giannis. I mean, at the trade deadline, I guess you could say Minnesota, also for proximity, geographical reasons. But I I did that one doesn't bother me because at least for now the Timberwolves are a Western conference team.
I'm going to go with the Celtics to my own question. Celtics. What's safe? What about the heat? I said the heat as like an example.
It might be like fourth on my list. But I'm just playing out scenarios because. There's a lot of people in Miami that thought he would be there for a long time. If he goes to Miami, however, I have more confidence they will not win with him. They won't.
There's no way they can trade what you'd have to trade and then still be good. And also the organization is. A shell of its former self, and nowhere near what you still think it is. They need a better coach. Yeah, this is difficult to It's a difficult player to scheme into coach.
They'd need a different coach. You know what? If we can get Spo back in the trade. Can we get a ring? I would like to throw a different team into the ring.
Okay. Lakers? The balls. I see yeah, the Bulls are like my fifth place, my fourth place. The Balls They're your number one.
All of these other. All of these other teams that you've mentioned. They've been like A part of the story. For the last 10 years. He should go to New York.
He should go to Miami. They never really say anything about Chicago 'cause Chicago's dog shit. Sure. Chicago now. Just happens to get a new leadership and just happens to get the fourth pick.
And Where we're at with Chicago right now. With them taking our manager, they can have him, but. They're winning. The Bears are kicking our ass.
Now you throw Giannis into that equation. And then all of a sudden you see You see like Okay. You see people claim to be Bulls fans? Because, oh, I watched him growing up T V with my grandpa. This Cubs Packers thing, by the way, I've been on that again lately.
It's got to fucking end. We can't be doing this shit forever. But yeah, it's gonna be bullshit. Uh it's gonna be bullshit. I think I think If I could choose one right now to guarantee.
You're no trade list for Giannis. You get one team. And I don't think it's likely. But I personally have learned that I cannot handle. Wisconsin versus Chicago.
I spiral online after the football game. I get I voluntarily left early during the baseball game. With some helpful advice from others. To do that. But I just I could not handle Giannis.
Being a bull. I could not handle it.
So I am going to say the Chicago Bulls. Interesting. My second runner-up would be The Celtics. Grant. You can take one team.
Well, they'd actually be my first runner-up. Right. The runner-up. Necessary addition, thank you. Grant, your one team is the Celtics.
I don't know that I can think of one. Because I don't care. Because Wherever he goes. It's not going to work. I know it.
I know it in my plums, in my bones. He's going to get hurt. And he's not going to make free throws, and he's going to be a weird fit, and he's going to demand the ball. He can go to Boston. And then let all the Boston people melt down that it's not working, like all of the Milwaukee people melted down when Dame got here and it didn't work.
Because it's going to be his fault when he goes somewhere and it doesn't work. Oh. So I guess I guess the heat. Just because, screw the heat fans, but did the heat fans really even exist? You know what I mean?
Like, what are we fighting against there? That's the one where I'm the heat one takes me back because there's not really, I mean, online, you're going to see whatever moss, you're right, exactly. You're not going to have like this. Rabid fan base. Like, you're going to get like the 6,000 people at a heat game who show up on time, the rest who are stuck in traffic.
Like, yeah.
So, I actually don't know that I would be interested to see what happens if Giannis goes to Boston. I'd be interested, less interested in Miami. I think that would mostly. Be slightly better than what the Bucs have been the last couple of years, but not by that much. Um Maybe, like, I don't think this is a contender, but maybe my team would be the Pacers.
You know what I mean? That would never happen.
So I don't know. Like, we talk about that too, but that is just never going to happen. Yeah. Well, we talked about this last year. It's like, man, imagine if you could take Giannis and just slide him in the Pascal Siakam spot.
Like it'd be a great fit, like a basketball wise, I think. Yeah. Um I think it would be fun to watch them on the Lakers. I kind of like the Lakers. It's funny.
They play against the Thunder, and all of a sudden, they're like my second favorite team. Um, and I kind of like this version of LeBron. I think he's underrated. Like, I want a teammate next to him who's actually healthy in the playoffs, so I guess Giannis would be a Terrible option for that. I don't think it's going to work.
I don't lay awake at night thinking about Giannis winning three championships with the Celtics. But the thing is, though, that I would disagree with you is the sense that, like, he doesn't have to be, and in this case, wouldn't necessarily be. That team's Like, obvious best player. It could be like. That's how this works.
Do you think Giannis, and this is another part of it? You think Giannis is going to go to Boston and say, okay, I'll set screens for Jason Tatum the whole game? And stand on the block. I'll never bring the ball up. You just want me to be...
Cutter and screener. He's not going to.
Well, he could. I don't find it in the nature of NBA superstars to go somewhere else and just completely. Seed their agency and their stardom. I just, I don't think that would happen. Yeah, I guess it depends how Giannis ages in his 30s of his basketball.
Poorly, he's aging poorly. He's in his 30s. He's two years into his 30s already. He's 32. Yeah, no, 31?
I don't know. I think we assume too that if Giannis goes somewhere. Like he's going to finish his career as a two-team player. Right, I mean But should we? Who's to say, like, Grant's right and it doesn't work?
People are gonna be like, God, Giannis. You know, we th it doesn't fit here though. Let's He can go somewhere else. He ends up getting traded two or three times, like he's Kevin Durant. Kevin Dragon came to my mind.
It's like, does Giannis spend the next eight years on four different teams? What we do know is that if he goes to whatever team he goes to, that's going to come with the four-year extension.
Now, it doesn't necessarily mean he finishes that extension with that new team, but. He would become very If he doesn't perform as a top 10 player while signing the contract that he will sign, He will become extremely difficult to trade. And I think that would be part of the case against what I know you want, Bart, which is for Giannis to stay with Milwaukee. Is to trade him is like he's going to sign this massive extension. And for as great of a season as Jalen Brown just had.
You're also now like, okay, you're trading for Jalen Brown. He's 30 and he's making 70. Million dollars a year. He's not just hard to trade from a cap perspective. He's hard to trade because are you sure you want that?
Even though he was incredible within the tatum-less section of the Celtics season, and it's still like 70 million for a 30-year-old wing. That's the thing. You're not getting younger and cheaper. You're getting a year. Giannis is 31.
He'll turn 32 in December.
So I was off by a year. If Jalen Brown was 24, Sure. Right. He's 30. We talk about Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum.
Also, like both of those guys are older than you'd think, based on the way they're discussed. Fucking Deuce is almost 30 by now. Yeah, Deuce. Um I don't know. I would love to see Giannis go somewhere.
Like, Lakers would be cool. Clippers would seem kind of lame. I know everyone's like, I'm at John the Clippers. I don't know, but imagine on a big brand. Like it'd be cool.
What if he went to Portland with Drew and Dame? The only reason that it would be a bummer though is it, you know. What do you went to the thunder? Bart for example like you and your kiddo Those 9:30 Central starts with Giannis on a West Coast team. How many of those are you going to be able to watch?
We're not. We're not. I'm not following Giannis. You don't think your kid would want to be like, hey, can we watch Giannis' game as a Trailblazer? And you're not you're gonna say no, no, no, son.
My kid watches what I tell him to watch. Which is NXT. Which is SmackDown every Friday night.
Okay, so my answer is: Celtics, Bartes, Bowls, Grant, yours is. I guess pacers. Markham. But I don't think that's.
So, give me a, give me a, give me a next I'm with you. Bulls, bulls. I'll say bulls because bulls would be my number one, because I'll have to see it on the internet, and that would annoy the shit out of me. Yeah. Okay.
I and they have they would have come from from out of nowhere. If I see him in a Knicks jersey, okay, I've seen the edits for eight years in a Knicks jersey. Bulls are just, you know, sleeping here in the fucking CHGO Bulls is going to have a nine-person fucking podcast party. About how fucking great this is. It's going to be like, hey, what if Barstool was all Chicago sports and no one was funny?
C-H-G-O. Oh, God. You're right. Like, if he goes to New York or Boston, they're in their own space. We're the Knicks.
How can we win a title? If he goes to the Celtics, we're the Celtics. If they go to p Chicago, like they're not going to win. He's not going to win shit anywhere, but he's definitely not going to win shit in Chicago. When are we going to start talking about Hillary Guff?
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All right, so we have our answers.
So next question about Yana. Um I I mean how to ask it, I wanna I wanna try it. What if Giannis took two years off and played baseball? For the Timber Rattlers. Maybe that's why he was there.
Maybe that's why he was in Appleton. possible Yeah. You have a You have a favorite Giannis trade that you, I know Grand and I both. Jordan played baseball for two years. That's absurd.
During his prime, he was clearly suspended, right? I mean, no doubt about it. It seems That that would be the case. Yeah. You have a preferred Giannis trade.
In your mind, that you're Yannis is traded. I know, Bart, you don't want that to happen, but like Yannis has traded. The thing that comes back to the Bucks that you're hoping for the most, you have that. Already I'm not going to ask what it is. I want you to expound on what it is.
But like, you already have your preferred. Here's what we got back for Giannis that you've already gotten there. Friends nodding. Yeah, not like down to the l but just that like loosely, yes. What is it?
Or what type of thing is it?
Some Hawks young players and some picks, including the Bucs pick next year. Yeah, actually, the Hawks is mine. If you can get Jalen Johnson and you know, the the pick swap situation that you've traded away and you've gotten back. That'd be great. Not great, but you would have salvaged a situation in a pretty strong way.
The Bucks are going to win the trade. That's another thing. They're winning this trade. They're trying to. Oh, see, I don't know about that.
I'm you, we just had our horse confidence conversation, and now you're saying that they're going to win the trade. No, here's why. No one's gonna act like they're winning the trade. You're gonna hear everyone say, well, you're not gonna get equal value for a superstar. And it'll feel like they won't, but they will because they're trading a guy who's about to be 32, who's injury-riddled and whose game is declining.
like they're going to Even if they just get some Even if Jalen Johnson is never better than like. I don't know. Even if he's never an all-star, never He doesn't even have to be Chris Middleton. He can be, fuck, I don't, he can be Eric Bledsoe. And they get some picks.
Like they're going to win. 'Cause Giannis isn't going to go anywhere and win anything. Like they're go they're going to come out ahead in this, even if the trade seems Unspectacular.
So you're saying in the long run, the Bucks will come out ahead, not necessarily like in the next days. No, the Bucks will probably suck for a while. Interesting. So, I guess the better way to put it is: the team that gets Giannis is not going to go and win a bunch of championships and make the Bucs look stupid. I'm pretty sure.
I can't tell the future, but that's. My concerns: if the idea is like, let's not let Yannis, let's not want Giannis to win a title elsewhere, if that's our premise. The Nicks and the Celtics. And the Spurs? The Celtics and maybe the Rockets.
The fu do I not exist in a world where the Celtics have gagged in three of like The worst playoff losses in the last four years. Like that team is not, that's not a serious team. The championship they won, and we all said it at the time, everyone else got hurt. They just had a yellow brick road right to the right to the title. But did the, did the Bucks not have that too in 2021?
Like, You played the Hawks and the Suns, respect, you know, resp. It all do. Maybe the healthy nets. They went to seven. They had to fight to come back against the Nets.
Giannis got against the Hawks. They had to win a series without their best player. Against Kevin Durant's manager, or whatever the hell was it? They fell behind two games to the Suns. The Suns were good.
I remember a world, Bart was crashing out over this, where we watched the first two games of that series said, The Suns are just too good. Remember that? They're guys. The Suns are just too good. I don't remember that.
That's a legit champ. That's a legit title. There was adversity. I'm not saying it's not legit. I'm saying, is it any less like?
Circumstantial than the self-it's jail. I think so.
Okay. Yes. I think the Celtics front ran their way to the title. And it lined up for them to be able to do so. Nice.
But these other years, like Jalen Brown and J. They're not this clutch. Gutty, organized. They just shoot threes out of their ass. And when they play a lesser team and they can get a lead, they can win that way.
But that's it. In theory, Giannis for Jalen Brown and other stuff. Obviously, that's not a straight-up trade. The Celtics then would not be that same team. I think they would mostly be this.
I think spiritually, their DNA would be the same. And also Giannis isn't going to play in the playoffs. He'll get hurt. I don't disagree with you, by the way, at all. At all.
But you know, anything we say, we've experienced him on our team for 13 years. Yeah. What if your team was about to acquire Giannis? Like, let's look at it from that angle. Like, we got Giannis Adetta Kumpa.
Are you as pumped as Jets fans were when they got Rodgers? Or are you like, I'd probably be pumped. Oh, you'd, I mean, again, depending on your situation, if you think Giannis is. The thing that puts you over the top, and like, okay, now we're we went from being a first-round exit to a contender, at least on paper. With a healthy Giannis, which Grant would have happened.
What is your. Last week, did we do like... What percent do you think he's staying or leaving? And I was maybe at 51.49. We probably did something like that.
Has that changed since Haslam talked for you? Because I'm at like 99, he's gone. Since the coach was introduced, yeah. I think that the comments during the press conference. And again, I think what's.
Most I forget which article it was. It might have been that Sham's long-form piece about Doc Rivers and the Google Me thing. It might have been part of that, but there was a report around that time period. That Said Something in regard to how Haslam and Eden's. Didn't sign off on a trade deadline, Giannis trade.
The point being, the implication being that ownership, the implication, the speculation, the idea. being that the ownership had a say in it, which they shouldn't. Like, at least not like at the back end. At the front end, if you go and you say, John Horst, you're not trading him. We ownership, your bosses essentially are not allowing that.
I still don't love it, but I would get it. But if the way it was written at the time and reported at the time was accurate, which who knows. You don't want ownership to be like that. But thing that i'll tell you why they're creating what's i'll tell you why They are trading him right now.
Well, they are trading him. Merchandise. Who's buying Giannis merch? In fact, who's buying merch of any Bucs player? Who's buying anything right now?
No one's buying anything.
Someone bought me the two shirts. A member of the fucking Rockefeller family had some time to send something in the mail this week, apparently. The Winkler version: what inflation? Like They, they, the Giannis, Giannis, people stopped buying Giannis jerseys a long time ago, and then they got a little bit of a merchandise boost with. everyone buying dame shit and now he's gone and like Yeah, we love Ryan Rowland.
Ryan Rowland's a building block. Ryan Rowland's most improved. You see one fucking Ryan Rollins jersey with your eyes in this whole fucking world? No. No.
You see anybody wearing fucking Miles Turner jerseys? No, no. No one's moving merch. Anymore. I love when you use this voice.
This is my voice. No one's doing it. It's a certain inflection. It is. Paul notices it too.
I don't know how to describe it, but I see Paul laugh. Yeah, I know. What what was your example? If you want me to try to do it. No one's playing merch!
That, like that, that voice. Yeah, no, I got you. They're not doing it anymore. We gotta move on. It's over.
Okay. Performative. Yeah. As is we are. I got a lot of people uh Like asking me How's your show going?
In a nice way? No. Okay, not a nice way. I didn't know which way you're taking that.
Okay. We're doing this. I mean, you have a show. This is. This is the show.
Someone tweeted the other day: Bae, wake up. Another Bart crash out just dropped. Crashing, crashing out is just my thing now. I can't tell if I have a booger here or not. I do!
Shit. I can see that. Yeah. Oh my god. Yes, there's more coming.
You were better leaving it. Calling no attention. Mm. Why but it's sick? I had the bug guy out today, and I remembered him from last year.
Yeah. Yeah. You can't do it! He goes. Your stream of consciousness sometimes is just fascinating to like witness.
He goes. For like five years, I wasn't sure if this stuff really worked. And then one lady said all her spiders were killed. I was like, thank God. Because I thought I was just.
Spraying snake oil in these people's homes.
Now I try actually not to get it on me. What the fuck? Oh, I guess he's comfortable with you. Probably bad for the colon. Yeah.
Uh hantavirus. Are we buying it? Are we purchasing it? Do I have it right now? Shit.
Have we covered all our bases? Do we want to talk anything else? Brewers? Let's save some brewers. Why are there so many fucking off days for this team?
Yeah, it is maddening. When do they ever play? Uh not enough. Who did they even play this weekend? Oh, the Yankees.
Fuck. Brutal for the Daily Talk show, but they had an off day going in. They had an off day yesterday, and then they had a rainout in the middle of last week in the St. Louis series.
Okay. Did you see my fun fact? We've played. The Nationals more times than the NL Central so far. I did see that.
That was a good factoid. Yeah. That was aided by the rain delay. But we got the series in Chicago next week. Oh, they're in the Cubs next week?
Yeah. Paul, did you have another topic or? I don't think you ever told me. like your preferred Giannis trade. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. My preferred Giannis trade is You're not allowed to say he doesn't get traded. I need to, I need to see. I need to see people be like. The Bucs like won this trade.
I need to win the trade. Yeah. Absolutely. trade. You need the Gobert reaction.
Whoa, yeah, that'd be great. The McCal Bridges reaction. Or Mikhail Bridge. Or shit. Who is the guy of the magic?
Desmond Bain. That one would work too. I need a team to be so desperate. That they give us more than they need to, but I feel like there's. Like the last 10 years has been NBA people.
They're not going to out. No one's outbidding each other on Giannis. If anything, they're going to talk the Bucs down. I don't know. I know you don't want him to go to Chicago, but like if you could get the fourth pick, if you can get the Clippers' fifth pick, plus some other stuff, like the Atlanta stuff we talked about, like that's that these aren't even.
You asked for my non-starter where Chicago is out.
Okay, fine, fair enough. Would you do it straight up for the Clippers' fifth pick? No. I mean, obviously, you couldn't, but beyond the fact, but like, just as that being the main prize. No, but partially because there seems to be like that cutoff after the top four prospects now.
Oh, it's a four-player draft. Right. But like, if someone sneaks in and then to, you know, that shouldn't, that isn't supposed to be a top four. I think the Clippers are in a great spot. Obviously, they got Zubats for the fifth overall pick, which is good, you know.
Good for you because you destroyed India. And you had their GM apologize for it right afterward.
Well, it's worth a shot. You got to commend the team for being aggressive, Paul. But beyond that, I don't think the fact that it was, I thought the odds were like 95% and they just got screwed. It was a coin flip. I think he literally thought, and I believe said in an interview, Pritchard, that is, that.
He thought it was like a karma thing. Like, we're doing the right thing, we're doing the right stuff. We will be rewarded by the karma basketball. Like, Cooper Flag. That's why I hope that's the opposite of what they deserve.
That's why I hope tangentially that the Maple Leaves have no success in the years to come for what they pulled and got the number one pick. I just, I think that I just don't think teams like that should be rewarded. Are you talking like the Austin Matthews draft, or what do you mean? No, that that they just tanked this last year. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I see.
Much, much harder than they should have. And they get rewarded with the number one.
Well, I mean, the Jazz were resting people like in the fourth quarter, and the coach they mean they got five, they still got the number two overall pick. Almost had the number three pick, then also got the number two pick. If you saw that. interesting caveat. Yeah.
No, I don't know. I think that the Atlanta package is interesting. I think the Houston package is very interesting. If you can get Jabari Smith Jr. and and read Shepard.
I'm in. Like if you can get And some, you're right. And some picks, obviously. None of those Houston picks would be. Yeah, I like Jabari Smith.
But yeah, I mean, if you can get two of those top-tier Houston. Young-ish. Instead, we'll get Terry Eason and Clint Capella. Let's be real, though. A Bucks, a Bucks team consisting of just some collection, Ryan Rollins, Miles Turner, Jabari Smith, and who is the other Bucks?
Reed Shepard? Yeah. Like Going to watch that team at the Pfizer Forum this coming year will be infinitely more interesting than what we watched last year. Totally. I completely agree.
I'm not going to pay for it because it'll still cost too much, but for those of you that want to, it will be a more interesting basketball experience. Yeah, it will. It would. I'll say one more thing about the Chicago Bulls. Before we uh because we're up against it.
Um We have not really had to experience Bucks bulls in our lifetime. Except for one series. Grayson Allen, that game. But growing up, like 80s box. And Bulls had their battles, I guess.
I don't know. No one ever talks about the 80s bucks. Like they don't exist. No one ever talks about the 80s bugs. What are you talking about?
We don't know anything about them. Marcus, are you? This is a bit. No, I was I did I did this on the show I did last week about Which championship team or non-championship team gets celebrated the most besides the 82 Brewers? Oh, and you're sarcastically saying nobody stops talking about the 80s Bucs?
No, the 80s Bucs made the playoffs every fucking year. They were good. That's what I'm saying. There were a lot of people. The only way we know that is because there's jerseys hanging in the rafters.
No one ever talks about the 80s Bucs. My mom and dad talked about it. We have different experiences.
Okay, but I understand at least what you're saying now. All right. So, growing up, the Bulls had Michael Jordan, and the Bucs sucked.
So, we all loved Michael Jordan. We all loved Michael Jordan. Yeah. Then we sucked for a long time. When they had their run.
With D-Rose. and the like. And then now we're good. And we intersected one time where Giannis pushed Mike Dunleavy, but we don't. We don't, they have not started calling United Center North yet.
You know, we have not felt a Chicago invasion. In the deer district.
So It's absolutely Chicago for me. I get that just because of the internet. You're online as much as I am. Way too much. I would want to avoid that if I were you, but I'm online enough just to be like, I don't.
Like, I'm gonna have to have Caleb Williams season, like, tweeting. At Bucks fans. And Bucks fans are children. They'll take the bait. Oh my God.
They're the easiest mark on the website. There was a day Friday. Friday, I did a bunch of yard work. I moved some stuff. I cleaned the garage.
It's like one o'clock and I'm thinking. Why am I in such a good mood right now? You hadn't gone online? I hadn't gone online. I touched actual grass.
All right. Have you mowed yet? Are you mowing this month? Two. I got two Moes in.
What was your, what was your, was that two years ago or last three of our what was your note? What was your fuck them bees or something? Fuck them bees. No moment. Rest in piss, bees.
Rest in piss, bees. Yeah. Wacky. What jovial? Not that much anymore, everybody.
Rested. Thank you. Rest in peace. That's just fucking bees. There's the point.
Who cares about these fucking bees? They're just bees, man. They just do an impression of myself. I think so.
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