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Restrictions apply. Yeah. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome into the Winklerverse. I'm Bart Winkler.
Grant bills alongside. Let's see it, Grant. Yep, there it is on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream. Paul Immig is here as well. Give me a look.
There it is. Oh, Paul went more sitcom-y look. Yeah. Grant gave me a T V news anchor look and Yeah. I went for a do I have been.
Stressing out all day. Like, this is not something that's so unlike you. I know, and this is the pinnacle of it. This is the pinnacle. I thought the pinnacle was when Whenever there is snow on my driveway or sidewalk, I need it cleared.
immediately. Immediately. And then, if there's more snow that comes, I need to go. I'm obsessed. It it handcuffs me to the outside.
Okay. And I thought that was the worst. Trying to make a decision about if I'm canceling soccer practice or not. That's the worst. And I have canceled some practices before where it looked like it was going to rain all afternoon.
We have practice at 530. Here on Tuesday, April 14, just a random Tuesday in April to get things going. But I don't know what to do because I don't want to cancel it and then it'd be okay. and the storms come later. The last time I canceled it.
It did not rain. And so at 6:15, a bunch of the dads from the team, independent of each other. Sent me pictures of their backyard. and a beautiful ray of sunshine.
So, I like can't afford that to ever happen again. You're the Cubs against the Brewers in a series that would have. And now, remember, I went down for that makeup game. Remember that? I went down for that makeup game.
They made it up. It was one random makeup game. And I'm like, I'm going to go cover this. Oh Um So There are storms. And meteorologists, the local Mets around here.
Meanwhile, the Apple app is just like. I don't know, it might rain. Yeah. That I always swear by does not give a shit.
So I've been watching the news all day. I probably watch Mark Baden. on Facebook 15 times and I'm like Putting pause on where, because he goes from four to seven. on his forecast. I'm like trying to get it when it just says six.
So that was fun. I don't know why I just don't say, like, hey, guys, it's going to be iffy tonight. Let's practice on Thursday. I could easily say that right now. But I haven't.
And so I have spent... I probably spent five hours today. Thinking about this. Looking at forecast.
Now I'm talking with you about it. I don't know what to do. I Love you. and hope to create content with you forever. I sometimes really struggle to relate.
With how you spend your days and how you operate. And this is one of those scenarios. My wife told me at 9.45 today, she's like. Just cancel it and be free. Yeah.
I go, what if it doesn't rain? Then she goes. Then it doesn't rain. Correct. And I'm like, then I'll have to cancel the practice for nothing.
She's like, these kids are six. You're not coaching the fucking LA Galaxy. Or the Former San Jose, uh, San Jose Clash. Which is my hat. It's not a dick in balls, as many of you.
Is that a cobra or a scorpion? A scorpion.
Okay, that's what I thought. Yeah, I'm wearing a dick on my head. That's not what I thought. I thought it was a scorpion. No one said dick and balls.
I mean, now I see it.
Well, yeah, I mean, it does look like that and The outline is the hair, but I don't know, man. I don't know what to do. And I don't know how to break this. I don't know how to be better at this. Flip a coin right now.
I mean, I already have the email crafted in my drafts to the team, and then practice is canceled and moved to Thursday. Do this. Cancel it. And then, in that, send them a link to your Wisco rant from last week and say, here's what you can do as a family and place of soccer practice tonight. Check out my YouTube.
Well, if people are worried about traveling to the brewer game, I mean, I'm supposed to have a practice outside. I've seen a lot of people online talk about that. I just think it'd be a good way for the parents to conclude: oh, our kids' soccer coach is nuts.
Well, I mean, they were 0-3 in the jerseys. I think I once again was proved correct. Yep. Vindication! With that being said.
Once again, it's Grant Bills and Paul Imig. For another mm-hmm. I'm really tempted to I'm not going to. Very tempted to take that and say: now that you've had a week to process it and you've seen the brewers go 0-3 in these jerseys. Yeah.
We won't.
Well, my email, I should let you know. It says, out of an abundance of caution. No, it doesn't. Please don't. It doesn't.
That's an inside joke. Yeah. We have to start with Giannis in the box, don't we? Probably. Speaking of.
I just saw that they're doing a thing at the Adeta Compro's store at five tonight.
Well, it's 414 day.
Well right, but they didn't announce it until after they knew the weather might be bad? Ah. Are they trying to get people in harm's way? Are there out of the Kumbo Brother appearances. They're all going to be there, even Alex.
Whoa. Are they bringing Ric Flair? I don't I don't I don't I don't think so.
Okay. Do you see he recorded a thing for Big Woo everyone's excited about? I did. Then that's a big woo. Do you think he has any understanding of what it is that he recorded?
No, god, no. It's like a couple of years ago, we got Lou Holtz to make a cameo for our fantasy football league. And I'm like, I don't think he even knows that there's a camera in front of him when he was recording it. I think the same of Ric Flair. How many times?
And it's like, it's like for that. How much? I don't know. The commission did it. I think it was like 20 bucks.
And it was 20 bucks too many because he couldn't string words together, RIP.
Well, they probably thought all day. I guess it could have been one of two things. It could have been, hey, Ric Flair's at this thing. He says Woo. Let's get him to do something for Big Woo.
Or there could have been like meetings and say, so how do we approach this? We're going to want to try to get Ric Flair to say Big Woo.
Someone's going to have to explain to him that Big Woo is Woo and Brandon Woodruff. And then, and then, and then it's all this planning. And he just goes, Hey, it's Ric Flair. It's a Big Woo. If you've seen some of the cameo speaking of that Ric Flair has charged people $1,000 for.
In which he In a drunken stupor, just kind of. Talks for three minutes. They're always like, I got to say, congratulations to. Amanda and Pat. Uh Can you not remember that before you do the fucking cameo?
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I'm going to ask this question in terms of the Giannis question. I want to do a couple different Bucks angles, but the first one is. Great. I'm thinking about the scenario in which Giannis is traded, and he spends the next. Eight years with another team.
Which totally realistic. He'll be 39 in eight years. I know LeBron is an outlier. We shouldn't compare QBs to Tom Brady. We probably shouldn't compare NBA players to LeBron James, but.
If there's anybody. Whose body and workout regime is similar to LeBron's? I think Yadas can get another eight years. There's nothing that can happen. On Giannis' next team.
That would have him not be remembered first. As a buck. Wow. Mm-hmm. Good question, Paul.
Thank you. There's nothing that can happen on Giannis' next team. That would have him not be remembered as a buck. first yeah this is a classic image this is paul at his best thank you And I don't think anybody else is going to have any question even close to this. No.
Now I know I know in my voice I'm straddling the line of You know, not sincere and sincere. I am sincere. I think you can tell when my eyes swell up a little bit with like a tear. You got a little tear. Like, I'm proud.
I'm proud to know you. I'm proud to be doing this with you. It's a great question that it's just nobody else. Like, what are we going to do there? Oh, should Lambo have a roof?
Fucking, come on. Mm-hmm. We'll shut it now.
So so pay it off then with your best Mm-hmm, or your best mm-mm to really give it the The oomph it it deserves.
Well, what do you think? Like, are there what are guys that are like split like that? What are guys that are half pushing in pooholes? Oh. Yeah, but he's a cardinal.
Dine up? Yeah. Okay. Maya.
Well, let me just, before you say anything. But he was with the angels longer, was he not? Correct. I will say, I don't think there's anything he can do. Even if he goes and wins.
Two titles.
So that's my scenario right there. We'll get to that in a little bit, but you say more. Because I think his story, the fabric. Of his story up until this point is so. Milwaukee.
If he was just an American-born player without the backstory and how he got here and his family, like it's just too. Milwaukee's too braided in there with the book and with all of the. You know, his story, I just don't, even if he went on and won at a really high level, I still don't think that would.
So how long does Luca need to be a Laker then? I I mean, if Luca's a Laker for the next ten years, I think the Mavericks are just an asterisk in Luca's. I almost think he's a Laker now, anyway. Like he's a Laker. That's just, that's so different.
I know. Luca did what, six years with the Navs? Seven? Giannis, is that 13? And they made a finals.
They made a finals. Yeah. Yeah. But that doesn't have any sort of the impact of Winning a finals. If Yannis didn't win a finals, in the way they want it.
Yeah. With his game six. With the fifty points. At home. At home.
The deer district. Mm-hmm. If that didn't happen, like even if they won on the row, I don't know. I mean. Hmm.
That's what I'm saying. It's so Milwaukee. Mm-hmm. While you guys think about it, I would say I think the only scenario. Is that the next team he goes to?
wins two titles with him. Immediately? No, in the next eight years. Or But it's got to be like. It can't be the thunder.
It can't be the warriors. What if, I mean, fuck, if it's the Knicks, if he goes and wins two different things, the Knicks is different. The Knicks is different, the Hornets is different. Sure. The magic, one of these teams that haven't won.
Yeah. If he goes and immediately they win twice. Yeah. I think, honestly, I think even if that second title with that other team is when he's like 38 and their second best player. I still think then when you're inducting Giannis into the Hall of Fame and you have the crawl, it's like three NBA championships, two Knicks, one Bucs.
Like And I don't know. The Knicks are interesting. Because I was trying to think what would be the team, like if you went to the Celtics, big brand, eh. But if he went to, to your point, Orlando or Charlotte, it would be impressive if he was their best player that he got that small market team to a championship, but it wouldn't have the foot, it wouldn't have the pop and the pizzazz. The Knicks might be the best of both worlds because that's the big market, but they haven't won shit.
Yeah, and I promise it would be enough. I promise you that New York, specifically, and the media market within would try to claim that Giannis. As a nick. I mean, that would be the debate. Like, they'd be like, no, he's a Nick first.
I mean, he won two titles for this. elite franchise that hasn't actually won anything in forever. And here comes Giannis, who spends his entire thirties with this franchise and If he goes to New York. Has a good season next year and wins a title the year after as their best player, they should have that topic that summer. On talk shows.
You know what I mean? Like, I think of first things first with Nick Wright. Do you think of Yannis? Will Giannis be remembered as a Nick or a Buck? You could have that two years down the road with Knicks.
I still think it would be the Bucks. But I think the Knicks would maybe get it as close as possible. What about I'm just looking for examples. What about Kevin Garnett? Yeah, is he a Celtic?
Is he a Timberwolf? He's a Celtic. He was with the Timberwolves for 12 years. He didn't win shit. Yeah, sure.
Yeah. Dwayne Howard, Magic Lakers. I mean, so what I mean, yeah. Blade Howard's a a mat a magic, but But again, did he ever win? Did he win with the Lakers?
No.
I can't do that, by the way. I can't say a magic or a heat or a jazz. I can't do it. I know. Why do they do that?
The the the Utah mammoth in the NHL. The mammoth, the crab. Why do they do that? The singular Minnesota wild, for whatever reason, is better in my mind than those other two. Maybe it's because it's a wild syllable.
Uh jazz heat. Yeah, but I but I think those sound better too than mammoth. Yeah, but what is what is you wouldn't say what is LeBron? But you would say a Cav, a Laker, or a Heat. I would say a member as a member of the Heat.
Yeah, a member of the Laker. But you would still say a Cav. Yeah, I'd say that.
So, in a sentence, you'd say LeBron was a calf, a Laker, and a member of the Heat? Yeah, see, yeah, I know when you say LeBron, you say a Cav, a Laker, and a Heat? I think I would adjust my delivery from the beginning of the sentence to include. I'd say he was. Yeah, restructure that thing.
He played for the Lakers, Cavs, and Heat. Yes, yes, yes.
Well, what is Kobe? I mean, Kobe, they were going to retire 8 and 24, and they retired both. Which in how that's a different version of the question, but so stupid. It is kind of. Yeah, you can't.
No one ever talks about that, but it's like that's the whatever. And why did he change his number? Because he was in trouble. Why'd he change his number? I don't know.
Was that why? Did it was it post that whole situation? Yeah. I mean, Kobe to me is 24. He's not eight.
LeBron should have s stayed with six. I thought six was badass. Yeah, six is a. Six is an interesting number on a jersey. Oh, he's like these pitchers that wear single digits.
It's like I mean, you fucking think you're somebody if you're if your Blake's now wearing seven, good for you. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Is Kareem a Buck or a Laker? Great question.
Laker.
Well, that one's harder. I mean, try to put aside local bias, but like.
Well, this is a different question, I think, for different people. Like, did you experience that? Did you live through that? Or did you find out about Kareem in a book like I did? You know?
Yeah. Or an airplane. I'm thinking of the Giannis Hall of Fame induction. Yeah, airplane. Yeah.
Yeah. The Hall of Fame induction and then saying Yanaza Nakumbo. three championships. And then if it is three, I don't know. I mean, I would just like to point out, not that this does not apply to this conversation, but I'd like to make it clear that I don't think there's a chance in shit he wins.
anything at a high level. I think he's cooked. I'm not sure he ever plays more than 60 games in a season again. Agreed. Like, we're, there's people listening who are like, he's not going to win too.
Yeah, I'm not saying he is, but for the, like, I don't believe that for a second. I think we've seen his best basketball. I think, I think in a few years, we're going to start calling him Yannis and Vita Kumpo. I'm serious. Is there a debate about the team that's mentioned first when LeBron is in the Hall of Fame?
Ooh.
Well, what is he? What's the answer for LeBron? My gut says it should say calves, but. Maybe not.
Well, now he's going to be with the Lakers as long as he's been with anybody. I think longest if he retires with the Lakers, that's a point for the Lakers. But what if he goes and does one random year with the Knicks? Then it's going to make the Lakers feel like the Lakers could have the advantage of the closure. He ended as a Laker, but if he doesn't have that.
Yeah, like Favre was never a jet, and basically Rogers wasn't either. Yeah. But Tom Brady was a Buccaneer. Correct. Because it was cemented with the title.
He also won, which helps, but then he was done. That was his last stop. That was his finale. Like Jordan.
So Jordan would have had to win like five with the wizards for that even to be. I still don't. And still, I don't know that it would have, you know. And he would have had to start in Space Jam 2. I think it's funny that Jordan got $40 million for Mike Terico to come to his house, and then he just does any interview you want as long as it's about NASCAR.
Hey, I'm with Speed Weekly. Can we do a piece on Michael Jordan? Fuck yeah. Uh I'll do it for free. It is pretty funny.
I'll do a series with you. Just for what it's worth, LeBron, two titles with the Heat, one with the Cavs, one with the Lakers. The title of the heat is last. Let me say that. I don't think the heat is last.
Agreed. That shit means something to me. As someone who grew up in the 2010s, that team means something to me. And they went to four straight finals. They defined an era.
Not one. The NBA. Not two. Not three. But then when he went back to Cleveland It was a lot of like Okay, well, you know, the finals for eight years, it was, you know, the Heat will be in the finals.
Then he went to the Cavs, and it was, you know, the Cavs and Warriors are going to be in the finals. You, I don't know, it wasn't that long ago. But I don't know that, like, we knew there was no other prediction to be made. It was awesome. Not even like a, well, actually, I think this, no, it was Warriors and Cavs.
You knew it from day one. Yeah. It was great. And that's eight years of LeBron, but that's different teams.
Now people are like. Oh, LeBron doesn't have Austin Reeves. They're torched.
So stupid. And Luca, of course. Who does. Name the teams in order. When Kevin Durant is So is he a I mean, he won titles with the Warriors, but he's a Thunder.
So Suns is ahead of Nets. Oh, fuck. I forgot he was on the Suns. I was going to say he went Nets to. No, there was another team.
But Nets. Nets was him. Nets is ahead, because Nets was him getting his own team. The hallway thing with Kyrie getting hard in there. His foot was on the line.
So nets Over sons. Yeah. I think rockets right now is. We'll see. Last.
I forget he's there. Which is weird because I'm very aware of the existence of Kevin Durant. I think Warriors.
So he was there too. Yeah. Did he get two titles or one? Two. Two.
He's a warrior. And zero anywhere else, right? And wasn't he the finals MVP? Twice. I don't remember if it was more than once.
Well, Andre was one. I think Steph got the last one. That was the first. Yes, Steph got the last one. And I think KD got the other two.
He's a warrior to me. But What if the Sonics come back and he ends his career on the Sonics where he actually started? He'd be like 40 by then, right? Yeah. I don't know.
These are very good questions, all spurred by one great question from Paul. The Punisher image. Better than Pro Tractor or whatever. I think even if Giannis, even if Giannis has a five-year run that's 5X what I think he's actually realistically capable of, I still don't think it's enough. I think he's a buck.
I think the story is just too.
Well, when is Council a cub? Oh, never, he never will be because they're never going to win shit. I've seen them for two weeks. That's all I need to see. That is forever who they will be with Craig Counsel.
He's history even is history even going to remember he was an angel for seven years? No.
I feel like people didn't meet Shohei Otani. I remember watching, for some reason, I was watching 60 Minutes Live. They did a 60 minutes on Shohei Otani two years before he ever came over here. And then he spent seven years with the angels, and like, no one cared. Yeah.
I feel like he got introduced to like the world. When he threw his translator under the bus. When he signed with the Dodgers. That's how I feel about that Ocean Gate sub. I saw a CBS Sunday morning on it two years before it ever exploded in the middle of the ocean.
You know what I mean? You just happen, I just happened to be watching that morning.
So when it blew up, I'm like, oh. That thing? I remember David. What's his face almost went down there, but the sea was too choppy. I can't remember what his name was.
Was it Steve Hartman? It wasn't a Steve Hartman piece. No, it was The Science Guy. I followed him on Twitter. Hold on.
There's only one, The Science Guy. Steve Nye. Bill Nye? Oh my god. Bill Gardner.
Yeah, good point. Woof.
So Grand officially went with, mm-mm, there's nothing that Giannis can do on his next team part. What do you say? What say you? David Pogue. Mm.
Pogy. Anyway. What say you? Nothing that can happen on Giannis' next team that would make him be remembered not as a buck first, Bart Winkler. I think you have to have a few different factors.
You have to have longevity. Yeah. You have to have championships. And you have to have and you have to have like You have to have something else because If all things are equal. Giannis, the story around Giannis for 10 years has been: get his ass out of that small market shithole.
And if he goes to New York, that is just going to get. worse and more annoying like he he he remakes he stars in a remake of like What's the Eddie Murphy coming to America? Or what's the Eddie Murphy movie? You got it, right? Like, if he redo that movie and he stars in it, it's incredible and he's a Nick in the movie or whatever.
Like, he also needs that thing. I think, like, Kareem had airplane. Like, he starts doing the major talk show circuits as a Nick while promoting this movie after having just won a championship for the New York Knicks. And I still think it's close. And we're team two.
And that's there is a scenario.
So, there is a scenario. I don't think so. It's tiny, it's minuscule. It's a minuscule chance. He's got to like go to fucking Mars in a Knicks jersey.
And be the first man on the moon. And like, plant the Knicks mark, plant the Knicks flag. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I d I don't I don't think there's a scenario.
Unless it's something so. Insane that has nothing to do with basketball. Like he let me just play this out. If he goes to the Knicks for 10 years. Four Goodyear's a palace and the malice or a A spree at MSG or some shit.
Did you just make that up on the spot? Oh, of course. That's really good. Um I hope that doesn't happen. If he were to go to a franchise.
You're fine. If you were to go to a franchise and become its best player of all time, while leading said team. to two championships. Where The Hornets, the Knicks. What if he signed like a buff?
Who's the best player of your teams all to? And they're like, Giannis is. And if two teams claim that. I don't know. They're trying to do that with Jalen Brunson.
I see Nick Wright making that case, where if Jalen Brunson takes him to a finals, you could argue he's the best Knick of all time.
So it's there for the well, who things to him is a map, but he wasn't there that long. Yeah, no, what, four years? Five years? I mean, I still think of Jason Tatum as a blue devil. I don't see him as a Celtic, so.
Okay. That's just me.
Okay. Um, so then my follow-up question.
So, I guess my answer is right. Are we all on? I'm I think there's a Again, I think if he wins two titles elsewhere, plays in that place for a decade. MVP. And like, and well, yeah, I well then that even I hadn't considered that, that he might have another MVP in him.
I think something like extraordinary hits. Like, he helps give birth to somebody on the front row, and then they name it. Nick Giannis P. Peterson or some shit. You know?
So that leads into question. When that kid becomes a fucking superstar. Liberty Mutual customizes your car and home insurance, and now we're customizing this rush hour ad to keep you calm, which could help your driving. And science says therapy is great for a healthy mindset, so enjoy this 14-second session on us. I think you've done everything right and absolutely nothing wrong.
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So yeah. I think there's a scenario. I think it's a. Minuscule like grams.
Okay. Guys, leave some, leave your answer in the comments. Yeah, exactly. If he wins, here's my scenario, and this is the only way it even gets close. He wins two titles elsewhere, plays there for a decade, becomes that franchise's best player of all time, and wins one MVP with that team.
What's the likelihood of two titles in MVP? A decade. of longevity and whatever might like Less than one percent. Less than one percent Milwaukee. He has to not play here.
Every time his team scheduled a play here. He never does. What if he disparages the box? Does that change the He won't, but. All right, so that leads to question two.
You have a preference. For how this Giannis off season unfolds. Mm-hmm. Or that you have a preference in result or in spirit. He's traded, he's not traded.
You have a preference, a strong preference that one of these outcomes, like that's you're hoping for one. You have a strong preference for how the offseason unfolds with Giannis or mm-mm. Grant. Uh I have a strong preference. I would like him to be traded.
I'm ready to suck. I want this burden. of the eye of the national media off of my team. And I want to get in the gutter. And watch a shitty basketball team that we can make fun of in a fun, endearing way that's only about us.
And we can disappear for half a decade. That's what I want. And I can't do this again. I have no interest in them convincing Giannis to come back barely, but then him getting a hair across his ass by Halloween because, oh, I thought it would be better. I just, I'm not, I have no interest in doing that again.
Plus I think he's over the hill, so sell him now. Bart. I say, mm-hmm. I have a preference. I want him to re-sign.
I don't want to trade him. Wow. I don't want to see him in another jersey. I don't want people like. Unironically, buying You know.
Hornets, Giannis jerseys, and wearing them to Bucs games. I don't even care if he signs another. Extension and then, like, gets bad or is always hurt and never plays. I I don't want off this ride. Wow.
I want to be on the ride when it stops. I want it to crash with me in it. Hmm. That's what I want. My preference would be for Giannis Adetta Cumpo.
The greatest Milwaukee Buck. Ever. The greatest superstar this city's ever seen. Yeah. I I want to be able to Say that he is ours.
I want to be able to say that he is ours. I don't want him gone. He has You both have strong opinions, very different from each other's. I'll leave it on the back of the mouth. I do put that over like...
Well, then they're going to be bad. I don't care. The only asterisk. Is there a scenario, a realistic scenario this offseason which the Bucs have three first-round picks that they can trade? That it's possible to turn this into a roster that Giannis is like.
Yep. And to Grant's point, on Halloween, a weekend of the season isn't already like Uh Like, is it so we I think Grant we'd have to almost say then in that scenario or Bart in that scenario.
Okay, he's here. He's bought in. He did the $270 million extension. And the team is good enough to compete. Because if it's not.
Here we go again, right? Like that would be terrible. Or, I'm going to go with Grant. I do have a preference, and I think it's best, as I have thought, for him to be traded. The difference, though, is if you're telling me, as Shams has reported.
Again, take all of that. He had a well-sourced report recently. But this son of a bitch and his like Pat McAfee interview, like. Boy, like There have been some some interesting reporter stories lately about what qualifies as a You know. Reporter's job description and what it means to tell a story.
And if you have beef with a team, I don't think you should be clapping back. Yeah. That's just not That's he again, he's he once again. Shams, that is, crossed that line, which again, I'm a big journalistic integrity person.
Well, he's got absolutely none. Absolutely none. No, and he shouldn't even, he shouldn't even claim to. Like, he'd just be done with it. Just say, like, I'm I'm an opinion guy and I also report, don't get me wrong, but I I'm going to narrate and I'm going to editorialize because I mean, he made a little smirky.
He made a snarky quip. It's not like he went full Stephen A. Smith. He made a passing little joke on a sports entertainment show. And goddamn it.
Yeah, but Stephen A moving the goalpost. Gives you something out to compare it to. What Shams did is Unacceptable. I mean it. I'm really mad about it.
It's unacceptable. But you can't be like you can't be like Oh, well, it wasn't that bad 'cause I didn't do what that guy did. But you still did a bad thing. I'll play both sides of the Giannis thing and the Giannis trade thing real quick. I want him to stay.
Because I like the Idea that he was always ours. I think that's. That's a very nice sentiment. And it's a that's why I'm wearing the clash hat. Should he stay or should he go now?
Jesus Christ. By the clash. Yes, we finally clashed. Yeah, thank you.
So I like that. Premise, but I think the most the best thing that would happen if he resigns and stays to me as a spiteful person that I often Which I didn't do, but happens, is then I'd be like, hey, Shams. Fuck you. Like it would, that would be like the very like vindictive. Like, you again, you did it again.
You pushed the you pushed everyone well past their natural limit. Yes, you're a part of this story. Don't pretend you reporting this story aren't part of the story, you're part of the story. And then it still didn't work. Your master plan still didn't work.
So the spiteful, vindictive part of me is like, ha. That's not the Paul image I know. The Paul image I know would not sacrifice picks and a rebuilding opportunity to thumb it to some TV talking head. No.
Having said that, Having said that, I've said for two years that the best thing for the Bucks as an organization are to rebuild. I think if there was an actual path where you can take these three first-round picks, it is to rebuild. The best thing for the Bucs to win in the next 10 years is to rebuild. Is to trade. Bucks is heat R?
Jazz R? Are they all still plural? I think it's all still plural, even though it's a singular. for heat and jazz the best thing for the bucks is to rebuild the smart thing but again here here's the interesting like the the asterisk to it If you're actually telling me. That the, you know, again, Sham's reporting.
Like the Bucks were this close to taking the heat offer of Ware and Hero and some like marginal mid-round picks. Then just keep him. Like. I know that the the ownership has recently said Then we're going to extend him or you're going to trade him. And that is the right thing.
Don't let him just expire and leave for nothing. But if it's really like, That heat offer was the closest thing? Yeah. What what is that? I think, well, that's part of it for me.
I'm not confident at all that they're going to get an equal value. And then you just, and then again, almost out of spite, you'd be like, I'm not taking that heat package and calling it a win. What do you think about this? Imagine getting like go ahead.
Well, okay, so Mm-hmm. The tables have turned. Where a lot of people were talking about get Giannis out of there. And then now it's like you put these trade packages together, and you're like, oh, you're not going to get that for them. Or why would they include that?
Which Giannis You know, the Bucs do all these favors for him. He didn't do himself a favor by being hurt three times this season. He didn't do himself a favor by.
Well I I don't know. I I don't like Giannis Giannis' value is probably less than what it was a year ago, is it not? It should be significantly. Yeah. Whose fault is that?
Everyone's then the boss are saying, Don't play. You've been hurt three times. And now he's like, Well, I want to play with my brother.
Well, maybe if your brother was any good. That would have been an uh what you wouldn't have to wait till game eighty one before they Squeeze the toothpaste back in the tube. Yeah. I just find it interesting that Giannis complimented Joe Mazzulla and what the Celtics did this year. It's like, hey, you know why Joe Mazzullah was able to do that?
Because they had Jalen Brown leading the way all year as Mr. Available, like follow me, Bailey Shireman, and all those guys. They're not that good, but Jalen Brown was that badass, get behind me guy in the absence of Jason Tatum. And Giannis was able to do that.
So, like, when I heard him talk about Joe Missoula, it's like, well, no shit, Joe Mazzullah could do that. His guy was there and available and led the charge, and Giannis wasn't. And I'm not. I'm not saying that's 100% his fault that his body didn't hold up. But it's not everyone else's fault.
You know what I mean? It doesn't get to be everybody else's fault that you didn't play. Especially when he was playing for Greece for two months. This is a very good idea. He was never committed to this season, man.
He was just never committed. Right. And I think And then his body, I mean, again, we can joke, question mark, about his injuries being real or not. Um But his body also is failing him. And so.
When I go on Grant's side of the yes, I have a strong preference for what happens this offseason. Again, logic over the emotion of wanting Giannis to be a lifelong buck and all the other things that go with it. In addition to the fact that he's going to get this $270 million extension from somebody. His body is Breaking. And this is not a guy who is.
Likely to be great in his mid-30s because of his play style. He's not great in his early 30s currently.
Well, I mean, he hasn't been out of the first round since 2022. It's a team sport, Grant. Sure. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
100%. Yeah. I mean, it is, it is, but get to the second round once. You know what I mean? Isn't that the world's highest bar?
I do. Breaking news. Front row Amy is selling her tickets tonight. Have decided not to take a chance with severe weather. Do you see her email address?
Amy can't drive to the brewer game, and I'm going to hold soccer practice for two. Do you see her email address? I made note of what her email address is. I think that tells us something. What is it?
Read the rest of the tweet. Front row Amy Tickets at gmail.com. See? Is there? What what does that mean?
What does that crab? What's your I just if Having the persona front row Amy on Twitter and on TV is one thing. Creating a specific Gmail account with that name is. Don't you think Gmail account for this podcast? Don't you think though Grant that that's just so that she just Can just get just those emails into a separate account and not think that you would think that the logical thing.
You probably have Paul Imig tickets at gmail.com, Paul Imig concerts at gmail.com. You can just make individual folders in your email. You know, to only email me at Paul EmigFriends at gmail. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's God forbid I use that shit because I use Paul Emmig goodest of buddies at gmail.com.
Jesus. Um So I'm gonna go with we all agree we all have a strong preference. My strong preference is with Grant. I I think the right thing is for him to be traded. Having said that, if I get the news alert that says Giannis has locked in a four-year extension, I'm gonna also be like, whoa, okay.
So I don't know.
So I guess maybe I don't have a strong, because both things would be. Better than what we've had, which is this uncertainty and the season from hell.
Well, let me clarify.
So I think there's four. Like main scenarios. One, he resigns here and they win a championship again. I don't think that's happening. No, bro.
John Horstey, if that happens, John Horst is executive of the century. I personally don't think. The Bucs trade Giannis for a package. That they then turn around and win a championship while Giannis is still in the league. Also, probably true.
I don't think that happens. Yeah. So if I'm going to, if I, so I'm. You know, using my 50-50 lifeline here, and I've got two answers. It's, Giannis stays and you suck, or you trade Giannis and you suck.
I'm I'd rather have him here and suck. But I think what you're not considering is that if they get excited for, you know. Amin Thompson, or fucking somebody who's good, but I just you should be so lucky to get Amin Thompson for well, that's the thing. We're gonna get if we trade with the Rockets, we're gonna get like fucking Tate. No, I mean, you don't.
I mean, and two picks. Like, give me that shit.
Now you can get some Shangoon action. He's going to get traded to the Hornets. We're not going to get anyone good. We're not gonna get Miller. We're not gonna get con magic.
They should trade him to the magic. The magic are the perfect mark. The magic are the team that's done everything right. We've drafted the young players. We've done everything, and we're still not there.
If we don't make a deal now, the world's going to pass us by. Who are they giving us? The Wagner brothers?
Well, no, who cares? Just get a bunch of young players. John snit now because he wants to play with Mo? No, no, no. But I mean, the thing that has been.
Discussed is the Palo Bancaro Yannis trade. And also. I mean, I don't think we're getting anyone near as good as Boncaro. No.
Well, but Bonkaro, he has been. This magic season is not going well. The magic season is not going well. By the way, the aside to that is Jeff Weltman is the president of basketball operations for the Magic. Jeff Weltman was John Hammond's number two when the Bucs drafted Giannis in Milwaukee.
So there's a. I don't know why you felt the need to clear that up. Literally, everyone knows that. Yeah. Where's Justin Zanick these days?
I always thought he was the. Is he back with the jazz? I thought so. I don't know. No, Jeff Weltman, I mean, that's a good connection.
That's like the Dolphins trading with the Packers right now. Like, it's a natural connection. I'm going to have to take a Zanik if we're thinking about this anymore. Last question, Bart, for you. The bucks collapsed fast.
But WWE collapsed faster. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm. Granted. Please, the stage is yours.
Grant, what do you know about WrestleMania this weekend? Good question, actually. What do you know about it? Nothing. You can name absolutely nothing.
I don't even know where it is. No, but who cares? There's no storyline that you've seen cross your timeline. There's no one involved with WrestleMania that Well I see what you guys share about how, like, McAfee and Jelly Roll.
Okay, so if it wasn't for us, nothing, nothing, absolutely nothing.
So I love the deep breath, the sigh. I get that I can't fight. Things bigger than me. I like I just feel like at some point. You need to stop.
FIFA right now. Everything is just way more expensive than it needs to be. FIFA's squashing tailgates outside of the stadiums where the World Cup's going to be because they want to have charge places where you go. They're trying to nickel and dime you for everything, and people adjacent to it are getting in the way.
So WWE, which should be like. The worst thing that happened to WWE was they got mainstream. WWE Should be like I remember when I would like to meet Carlos or meet EJ or. I meet some of these guys from the Infinity Sports Network and just kind of talking to them. We'd feel it out like.
I'd throw in a wrestling name or they'd throw on and like you would get it. And we're like, wait, wait, wait, you you? We you like wrestling? I feel like it needs to be like that. I don't think.
Wrestling's cool when it doesn't think it's cool. Yeah. And now there's going to be an hour on ESPN. This is the thing that pisses me off.
So there's going to be a lot of things that piss me off. The Pat McAfee involvement is horrendous beyond repair. It's horrendous. But like Oba Femi's gonna fight Brock Lesnar. And Oba Femi should win, and they should.
They should put a rocket ship on him, as they say, and he should be a champion by the end of the year. He's related the crowd loves him. Like they they try for years to to get the kind of reaction that OBA's getting. Naturally. But his match against Brock Lesnar It's going to be on ESPN.
What ESPN 2 is airing the first hour of WrestleMania on Saturday. ESPN is airing the first hour of WrestleMania on Sunday. I did not know that. Yeah, instead of like, you know, sometimes you can watch a pre-show maybe for AEW. And then, if you want to buy the pay-per-view, you know, then you spend your money.
And they try to get those people on the fence.
So now they're doing that, but they're putting on ESPN. And ESPN and WWE have been making a huge deal. That they're going to be on for two hours this weekend on ESPN, two hours. And I'm worried about the decisions in the matches that are going to be put because they're on ESPN. They're acting like this ESPN time is so unreachable.
This same weekend, the UFL is going to take up six hours of ESPN programming. And no one gives a flying fuck. I just think that they're They, you know, it's just It's too much. They've gone too much. They're putting The shareholders.
And that that's why I'll never acquiesce to the Winkler versus shareholders. I will always fight for the Winklerverse. Common man. And maybe the three chicks that listen.
Now two since I called them chicks. Did that answer your question? The Bucks collapsed fast. WWE collapsed faster. The Bucks collapsed because.
Their moves didn't work. They had a goal of trying to win with Giannis. And they made decisions that didn't pan out, and they also made bad decisions. And then they sold to Jimmy Haslam and he hired Doc. And Jimmy hiring or the Dock River hiring is.
Like, okay, stretching Dame and then getting Turner. These are like desperate moves, but you're still trying to win. And they're bad in hindsight. They're terrible in hindsight. But the dock move was.
I'm dumb. He's got a name.
Well, I don't know. And WWE is making a billion of those moves right now. Yeah. I show speed is in a match. Oh.
Jellyroll is involved in the main storyline. Pat McAfee is involved in the main storyline. And even like last night's raw. They used to have like So the two main matches are Roman and punk. against Cody and Randy.
And historically, WWE would be like. All right, well, let's get ready for WrestleMania. Let's do Cody and Punk versus Roman. And Uh Randy is a tag team. You know, on raw, and it would last six minutes, and there'd be interference, but it'd still be like.
I think they had the Usos fight Sola Sokoa last night. Like. And there were like two matches on the whole fucking show? Anyway, this is great for promotion. I'm going to do a WrestleMania show Saturday and Sunday night.
Both. Oh yeah, sure. Pat McEphysi said that the Sunday show will be bad. On the WWE show, kind of if you went out there as a bad guy, Grant, and said. I called up Ram trucks to give 25% off.
And don't watch the Sunday show. The Sunday show will be ass. Can you imagine that? On the broadcast, Grant. On the broadcast.
I like your take that WWE or wrestling is better when it's not big. Like, I was talking to a buddy who's loved golf forever about this, about what's going on at the Masters. And he's like, no, everyone always says we need to grow the game. He's like, we need to shrink the game. The game is too big.
I just like that concept of there's things in life that are cool because. They're not cool, or not because they're not cool, but everyone's not involved. Like when you run into someone at the bar, you learn, you're into this too? You're into that? This is how I feel about League of Legends.
Like, when I run into someone who's in the league, like, oh, fuck, like. But it's but it's very few people.
So I like that. And then like League of Legends will be like, we want to grow. And then they'll have fucking. Industry plants try to boost their fucking brand online. Jason Kelsey.
Like fucking geese. Bart, you even have said like in that Same idea. When a band got too big for you, you've checked out, right? Or like, yeah, regrettably sometimes. maybe but like like who who like dave i like dave before anybody like dave We like Dave.
I did. I fucking did. We like Dave at probably the same. Age. Like, oh yeah.
10. I heard ants marching on WIXX, and I fucking bought all the Dave shit I could. And then I go to college, and my roommate is like. I got every show on my computer. But my computer's out of space.
I need to start downloading shows on your computer. I was like What the fuck? And I wish I would have kept all those shows. I had all these Dave shows on my computer. I was just like, fucking control-alt delete.
Coat hall. Code Hall, 207, party heaven. That's what I screamed out the window. I go. Come up to 207 party heaven.
Three minutes later. My RA's at the door. What do you got planned here today, Bart? Bottle behind my back. No feed.
You face La Crosse Street? We face La Crosse Street. We looked right over into the cemetery. Are you facing inward? I faced into the middle.
Oh, you had cemetery views? We could watch kids go over and smoke weed in the cemetery. It was just like ants. It was like ants marching. We had that in common in our college experience.
Five. All right. Anything else? One last thing. I think when WWE, WWF got really big in the attitude era.
It was still It was like organically underground, super popular. That's what it felt like being like a teenager. Like, it wasn't. They got big because Austin versus McMahon and then The Rock. And then the undertaker with the ministry, but you know, Barth, I know this wasn't your era, but they didn't do anything different.
They were still doing like their core principle of what makes them an entity. This is different. Like, this is like a very forced. They're changing their product to try to get people that aren't into their product. And that's why I've been up against all these baseball changes that I now like.
Grant, you might relate to this one. I was watching in the past couple of months some like Avenged Sevenfold old stories. And early on in their career, they were on TRL and playing live. And meanwhile, they were None of these people were actually coming to their concerts. These people who were like, we're voting for them on TRL were not coming to Avenge Sevenfold shows.
The band members were still living with their parents, flying back from New York, back to their homes in California, broke, with like being having the third best song on MTV, voted every day. And none of these people are coming to their shows. Woo w wait, what's the translation here? I think there's a lesson in that for us, like WWE. It's like, okay, so someone shows up because I show speed is on the show or Pat McAfee's on the show.
What is the retention rate of like now I'm a wrestling fan? It can't be more than like a minuscule percentage. There's companies that think viral moments. Like, even I have clips that, like, Go viral or get more than normal. It's not like someone sees me bitching on Instagram.
It's like, I'm going to follow that podcast now. But would I change the podcast to get? No, the podcast is for people that. Like the podcast. I do think, like, we could talk about the TKO stuff, Paul.
Yeah. But ESPN's involvement is bad too. Instead of having house shows, Like, they should be doing house shows. They don't do house shows anymore. Why?
Because they're all flying to Bristol to be on first take. Yeah. I was also going to add that I I think any of these events, when the big name corporations or streamers get involved, it just feels less cool. Netflix. Yeah, it's just inorganic.
It's just fake. Yeah. Just like to me, professional wrestling should be on USA or Spike, which isn't around anymore. Like, that's where it should be. That's what I should be turning on.
It's not Netflix. Yeah. Raw is on fucking Netflix. Grant, are you okay with TBS and TNT having wrestling? Yeah, sure.
And anything in anything in the 40s, 50s, and 60s for 20 years. Although Spike and TNT were in the upper 30s, to be fair with me. I had Spike. I wanted to say Spike was 62 for me, maybe? Spike was 36 for me growing up.
Spike was TNN when I grew up. The Nashville Network. When did that transition, though? They were on that. WWE Raw was on TNN for a while.
Remember when NBC Sports? Was versus Yeah. Wasn't that like all the time? Wasn't that hockey all the time? Right.
Yeah. car shows. My dad always watched uh the Speed Channel. We used to have it all. We used to have it.
We used to have it all. And now we got to be like. Hey, if you wanna watch every Brewer game, give $19.99 to the fucking cloud. Used to be able to watch every brewer game and unlimited episodes of Thousand Ways to Die. And every Bravo, it used to be all right there.
and we fucked it up. And now, if you want to watch wrestling, you can subscribe to a streamer, but you need to subscribe to the second or third tier in order to actually get the rights to the live things. Not just the shows on there, but you need to. Whatever. We used to have to go to shitty motels to watch HBO.
Now we can just watch it in our fucking pocket. Where did we go wrong? Yeah at all. And with that, Diana Rossini resigned, by the way. Maybe next week we can cover that because I would love Paul's.
When did that happen? like 20 minutes ago why didn't you say something We could have been shitting on Rossini. I'm just, I'm seeing this. The AP story. What the fuck, Grant?
I thought Paul had seen it. Paul's the Adam Schefter of our group. He sends everything. He's doing the show. I can't do both.
I'm reading my topic list.
Okay, all right, my bad. She's resigned. Um, bonus episode begins.
Now. Right next week. Wow. All right, I gotta figure out if I'm calling off practice. I gotta figure off a motor.
I gotta figure out a motorcycle. We gotta get 30 seconds on this. She personally tweeted her statement, and it's not, it's on a document. It's not actually on a Notes app. Is it Chat GPT?
Mm-mm. I don't know. I don't think so. I I don't know. Yeah.
Diana Russini resigned. Two minutes ago, she said I submitted my letter of resignation to the athletic. Please accept my assignation. The plague days have followed. Commenters in various media have engaged in self-feuding speculation, self-feeding speculation that is unmoored from the facts.
So basically My rule is the harder something is true, the more I put in fucking fake words to get people confused. You're unmoored, Bart. Do you guys really think Diana and Vrabel were fucking? I don't know. She said reporters are saying things that are unmoored from the facts.
The Moors. The moops. Rather than allowing this to continue, I'm stepping aside. Before my current contract expires on June 30th. Diana Rossini is a congressperson resigning from her district, that the writing's on the wall.
Yeah. That's what's happening. I don't want to get even more embarrassed, so I'm going to go out on the high road.
Well, good luck in your best endeavors. Me and Diana Rossini, look what we have in common. We don't work. All right, I gotta go. I'm not gonna post this before I pick up my kid.
This receiving news really fucked up my whole fucking day. I have to poop. Oh, by the way, you cannot comment on her. post. She's turned off comments.
Maybe I should do that. Turn off comments. Yeah, then I got fucking fake pigeons chirping at me, and guy named Dolly Titties or some fucking shit. It was like part farting partons yelling at me. You got the American Family Pigeon on you.
He blocked me. Thank Christ. You're a good human. Yeah, why don't you fuck off, bird? All right.
Thanks to Carl's place. Good topics, Paul. Thank you. Carl's Place brings you mm-hmm mm-mm. And then he said, Carl the other day said, Hey, make sure you mention that at the last fucking possible second this week.
Hey, the fifth, can we sponsor the 58th minute? Did you offer them that package? We chat if you're still listening. Mm-hmm. Say something in the comments about Carl's play.
Yeah. To prove that you made it this far.
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