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Today is the mm-hmm edition. of our Winkler versus Podcast.
Now, it's going to be, we're going to take a couple of weeks off, I'm understanding. I believe Grant is going to the Super Bowl. Correct? And Paul is, I don't fucking know what. Are you going on a vacation?
That's right, Paul. You said you were going somewhere. Parts unknown. Yeah. I don't think Paul actually goes on vacation.
I think he just. stays at home and Posts pictures of himself in front of a green screen. That's already incorrect 'cause I just don't post pictures. Oh, yeah, that's true. I'm talking about his tweet for the next two or three years before.
I actually have three topics specifically about the fallout from my tweet. The fallout from your tweet. 789 people. Your tweet has its own coaching tree, basically. I'd like to address the rumors.
Uh vis-à-vis my face. Ha ha. It's getting fatter again. I look back at these thumbnails. of the show to look at my face.
To see like where I was. And I. Lost some weight. And I recently found it again.
So there's two things I'm saying that because I taped something that I'll air this week with Sam Bruckhouse. Love Sam. Of Sumer Sports. Yeah. In the interview, you'll hear me shit on the Packers and him politely say.
Yeah, I just don't really agree with any of that. He's a southern gentleman. Yeah, so that's fun. But also, I noticed that it looked like I was storing nuts for the winter again. Yeah.
And that, that'll, because I'm on a like a 10-pound variation where if I'm. one ninety, I feel like I'm one fifty and if I'm two hundred, I feel like I'm two fifty.
So it really sucks.
So what's changed?
Well, Many would say, Oh, you're boozing. I'm not. I am drinking the hemp. Seltzers, very good. Um but I'm eating a lot.
I'm eating a lot. And I'm sleeping probably better than I have in years. Oh, nice. And that's leaning towards the weight game. Hmm.
Because one thing that I'm doing is I'm not fasting overnight because of the schedule. And now I get up and. You know, yesterday I'm hungry at 9.30 in the morning. Yeah. And I don't eat breakfast.
So you have to eat lunch. What You're saying just the type of food you're consuming? Yeah. And then also I'm putting the Mars company out of business. Because I'm eating all their MMs right off the fucking shelves.
MMs have never tasted better to me in my entire life. Which is normal ones. Just the normal Normal MMs, they have never tasted better. There's just the right texture of chocolate. They're like, I need, I can't just have one.
When you put multiple in your mouth, the way they texturally like play off each other, it creates a whole. I'm with you. It's very sensitive. Scope. Hmm.
Ghost, remember, Eminem's is the reason I have to spend $2,000 on a finger injury. Oh, yeah. MMs, I will eat the last scoop out of the bowl. Go sit down. No, nay, lay down on the couch.
With blanket. And I will then immediately say. Fuck, I need more MMs. Get back up. and devour.
So The rumors are true. I am getting plump again. First off, it is winter and it's freezing and it is. I'm not getting my steps in as much. It's hard.
It's a lot harder in winter. It just is.
So Also, if you intermittent fast and then stop intermittent fasting you will put back on the pounds you lost from intermittent fasting. That's not a you thing, that's a human thing. Like, that's that's unfortunately how it is. Uh yeah. Eating two giant bags of M Ms.
A day factor into the equation. I think so, which actually leads to my first question. Regular M Ms. Are the third place MMs or ranking behind? No, okay.
Ranking behind peanut and peanut butter MMs. No, no, no, no. Because every time. That I talk to someone about M. Don't you think this is the first?
I've done this. I'm fat, I'm eating Eminem's bit. Isn't this like when Rami does his Chicago hot dog thing? It's like it's or the die hard Christmas movie. Like, it seems fresh, but it's actually been rehearsed so many times.
Everyone I've talked to in the pickup line. Knows I'm devouring Eminem's as of late, and knows that I think they're better than they've ever been. And every single time, And you just did it too? Every single time, someone will tell me.
Well, is it the regular MMs or the peanut MMs? Because the peanut MMs are the best. And peanut M ⁇ Ms are very good. But Regular old M and M's. I think you're supposed to say hashtag not an ad by now.
Oh yeah. My favorite joke? Not my, but a top five joke of all time is when somebody scoops up the MMs and goes. What the fuck? And then they throw it back and then they're like, What's wrong?
And you go, They gave me all W's. That's funny. That's funny. That's how you know something's funny when the person says, That's funny. It is.
They gave me L W's. Tam, I'm Googling. I'm giggling. Googling. I think it's better than what you're typically used to, which is all L's.
You fucking bitch. Rich.
Okay. Paul, what do you got for us on today's? All right, for everyone listening, you're going to get a dose of Packers, Brewers, and Bucks because I think they are all extremely relevant. This is where Wisconsin sports fans come to talk. That has been trademarked.
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I'm gonna get that chick to do my liners. I'm an old-fashioned sports radio fan. I don't want the big voice person to be a woman. Yeah. But this this conversation has really I guess maybe I just thought that was just a matter of fact observation.
Maybe that's bad for me to admit. I just the problem is that you followed it with barping. I'm going to get that chick to do the voiceover. No, I agree with Grant. This is my most misogynistic take.
But I agree with Grant. I nobody likes Lisa Byington. I don't have a problem with her. I love Lisa. No problem.
The big voice person should be a man. Should be a man. Yeah. Don't clip this. I mean, it would do numbers, but don't clip it.
If you clip this, I quit. It's just big voice. All we're talking about is big voice people, lawyers, doctors, and astronauts. That's it. Pilots.
Pilots. You might have missed my reference there. If you clip this, I quit. No, someone listening caught it. Oh, nice.
Oh, God, word. Bobby D. Bobby D. Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. Man.
Good.
Okay. All right. All right. Where do you want to start though, Packers, Brewers or Bucks? Feels like Packers are most germane.
Justice Monsanto. I think I had one of those last night. Think Think at the Packertale. Wow, we're crushing this.
Okay. Um Grant, I'm going to start with you. While I read you. the following thing that I definitely wrote. Jonathan Gannon will be the same as Jeff Hafley, who'll be the same as Joe Berry, who'll be the same as Mike Petton, who will be the same as Dom Capers.
Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's my take. I think all these guys are mostly the same.
I still can you just do your tweet as a bit. It was so perfectly phrased. I'm like, I'm new exactly that phrasing. I just do your tweet, but as a bit here, they're all mostly the same. Like they all give up about the same amount of points.
It's funny to me. You know what they're like, Grant? They're like peanut MMs. Where there might be different colors and different shapes, but they're all the same candy. Sure.
Yeah. They're all peanut on the inside. They're all just men who give up. 24 to 28 points on half of the year. Actually, to pivot from my misogyny, I think it is high time for a woman defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers.
I just don't. I don't think Joe Berry was that bad, and I don't think Jeff Hafley was that great. I think all these guys have mostly been. The same, and we will go through a lot of the same conversations and the same bits. Like, we're going to focus on whether they're in the booth or on the sideline.
We're going to read the same.
Well, when he had the talent, he was really good. And then when he didn't have the talent at this other spot, what did you want him to do? Like, you just, it's the same. All these guys are the same. Halfly just gave a good press conference.
And I bet Gannon will present better than probably Petton or Capers or Barry. Not as good as Halfley, but he's going to say Green Bay is my world. I need Green Bay. McCarthy got introduced today, and it's, I love it. He's good, Paul.
I did not see the clips yet. He says, Oh, I watched Pittsburgh games. Aaron Rodgers, why wouldn't you want a guy like that? I talked to him. We had a lot of great memories.
And then he said it's important for players, you know, at that point in their career to take some time away. Like, he's just. You know what? Hold on. Let's do a quick.
Segway. Let's come back to the defensive coordinator thing. Let's put a pin in that. Let's put a pin in that. We're going to come right back to it.
Mike McCarthy. is just Harbaugh with bad PR. They're the same. Yeah. Harbaugh goes To his new gig, and it's like celebrated, and it's like, What a hire!
McCarthy goes to Pittsburgh, and it's like, What are these idiots doing? They're the same coach with different levels of. Media acceptance? Yeah, and I'll say it again. I'll say it.
I'll say it because no one's saying it. Say it. It's always With bad PR. Right. But do you know what the PR is?
Uh-oh. Fat. Paul's fat. No, he's fat. Oh, he's fatter.
He's fatter. He's fatter than these other guys. That's why I had to start the show with four minutes apologizing for being fat because people don't accept fat. Mm. Yeah, the pushback to that fat guy commercial has been.
Wow. Like, so, like, what? Sell me on why one is a celebrated hire and one is a. completely shit on hire.
Well, Harbaugh, Sean Payton. Mike McCarthy and Mike Tomlin all have one Super Bowl and all coached a Hall of Fame quarterback and have. Similar enough records. Yeah. You're absolutely right.
Um I think the Giants, like if the Giants hired McCarthy, like, I think that would be viewed as they're going to be good. Like, maybe it's a little bit of the destination for Harbaugh, but you're right. As a candidate, he was celebrated. And John Payton too. in a way that McCarthy never has been.
Yeah. Let me make this more. Let me use my nineties broadcast television expertise. To expound a little bit on this topic, because I do think that. While you may While you may understand what I just said.
Just saying fat is not an acceptable answer. You may get it. But you're not going to, it's not on the my new favorite thing, Overton window. It's not in the Overton window, people will rally when it's accepted.
So here's why. McCarthy weighing more than these other guys. Has a direct impact into how they are viewed. Follow me on this one. Think of Your average 90s sitcom.
Think of the dad and think of the mom. What is the dad normally? He's an overweight buffoon. How did he pull this little petite fox? How are his three kids?
So, and so he is the big dumb olf. You have been presented where a guy with Mike McCarthy's stature. Is a sitcom character.
Meanwhile, you've been presented that a guy who looks like Harbaugh or Tomlin or LaFleur is. The boss that comes over for dinner when the kitchen's on fire, or the wacky, good-looking neighbor that's always got money but doesn't have a job. Ninety sitcoms have ruined Mike McCarthy's standing in NFL circles. 90s sitcoms. Which is also why I have a lot of respect for Ray Romano, because for all of Ray Barone's faults, he was in remarkably good health and shape.
Debra. Good head of hair, too.
So I'm actually thinking, since you were saying that. Is McCarthy the only Heavy-set head coach in the league. People want Dable to be fat. That's something people talk about how Dable started sucking when he got skinny. Oh, okay.
So explain why. Andy Reid. When Andy Reid started winning, he won one, but. Fat squirrel finds a nut. Uh he needed to win more.
I obviously forgot that the winningest coach in this era. I just don't, I mean, and this isn't like a pro-McCarthy thing or like. It it just it doesn't It never makes sense when something takes off the way Things do.
Well, this brings me to my Mike Vrabel hatred. I texted you guys the other day. I hate Rabel. I hate Mike Vrabel. I was waiting to see what was.
Yeah, I don't like Mike Vrabel because Mike Rabel is the kind of guy. There's a certain Uh oh. He's a flipper. There's a certain look and build to Mike Vrabel that you respect. Yeah.
Like he's a little bigger, but he's like muscular. His face is. I hate to tell you guys this if you're if I'm bursting bubbles. But a lot of people in life are judged on how they look. No.
Yeah. Yeah. Is that why Grant's not going anywhere?
Okay. Yeah. The mustache is holding him back. Yeah, something like that. That um Intr is this the debut of that take of McCarthy, or has this made its way elsewhere?
Because of being fat? I saw Nick Wright. About how it's impacted his I've talked about it and danced around it, but I've never thrown the 90s sitcom at you. That's fresh off the noggin. I didn't have that five minutes ago.
It's good. It's interesting. I don't know if it's good. The bad PR, Nick Wright did a segment on it last night that was good, but he didn't have the fat part of it. That was the part that was missing.
I really think the 90s fat dad. Like J Mike McCarthy is according to Jim. And everybody else that's coaching is Jim from the office. There's a lot of Jim from the offices coaching NFL teams. Yeah.
A lot. Yeah. Wow. What a great take. Yeah.
Yep. Um And by the way, here's the thing I would just say. beyond the funny funds. Mm. I saw there was like this counterpoint of like, for everyone jumping on McCarthy, here's just something to think about.
And I read it and I was like, that actually makes a ton of sense. If you bring in this 30-year-old Rams offensive coordinator to coach the Steelers. With no quarterback in place. Is that really going to work? Like what I get that if you're Pittsburgh, you're like, okay, maybe.
Maybe in theory we're not getting the next Sean McVay. Maybe we're not getting, you know. On the defensive side of the ball, the next Mike McDonald. Like, we're In theory, maybe you're lowering your ceiling. But McCarthy lowers your ceiling.
If that's what you want to believe, fine, because you're not going to get that next guy who's. In five years, considered one of the top three coaches in the league. Sean McVay. But if you're gonna bring these guys in, they need a quarterback. If you're going to bring in this hot shot, young offensive coordinator, first-time head coach, they need something to work with.
Grant is shaking his head in a dissertation manner. And I've ran into this on Bill's show as well. And I need to jump in and be the voice reason here. People are. People are analyzing the Steelers.
Through a common sense traditional NFL lens. We are acting like the Steelers. Are you just going to do the thing that the rest of the league would do if they were in their position?
Well, obviously, you're too old. You're going to trade away. You're going to get some cap money. You're going to get some picks. You're going to get younger.
You're going to get a young head coach. You're going to build it up, something more cutting-edge, something smarter. That's not the Steelers. That's not what they want. The Steelers operate differently.
I also don't think they're very well run. I think they're coasting on mostly reputation at this point. I think the Steelers are content to go 9-8 with Tomlin. I don't think they were firing Tomlin. I think Tomlin was like, I'm not going to do this anymore.
They changed coaches as much as the. Egan family change who's the CEO of Lumen Industries. That's a. Several. Severance.
They're both short words with an S. Um You ever watched a grant? I thought. No, I've seen it. It's just, it hasn't been, you know, front of mind.
Nothing of the zeitgeist currently? Not of Zeitgeist. Good, good one. Thank you. Um raise gear.
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Your comment is basically: if I'm. Reading it is The Steelers are the Packers. They're going to take a more. traditional long view approach. you're not going to have like that fiery owner who comes in and says like the bills Listen, I'm just firing this guy, and I'm going to lie in the press conference about who he wanted to draft in the first round two years ago.
Like, the Steelers are just more steady. The Packers are more steady. For better or for worse? And it is what it is. But I don't think that negates what I'm saying about the Steelers.
Even in the let's say the Steelers were Not in the Pittsburgh market and they had a different owner. I still think the point is true: if you have no. 2026 direction at quarterback. You don't have a top pick. There's only one QB coming out who's going to be valued at a first-round pick level.
You're not going to get him wherever the Steelers are picking in the 20s or the late teens.
So you bring back Rogers. You hope that you can get lucky in the second or third round, or maybe you find your. Malik Willis, or your, you know, whoever the Sam Darnold is of this free agent class in the next two years. Um It is it's really dumb though that Harbaugh in New York would be like, wow. And McCarthy to Pittsburgh is like You know, booed out of the building.
The Giants suck. The Giants aren't any good. And I will say this, by the way, I expect Rodgers to come back, or I expect him to heavily consider, not because. Here's why. This is, and I can't believe I haven't.
Well, that's because it just was talked about today. More people are gonna catch on to this. Rogers is a top-tier reminiscer and football romantic. He will come back to Pittsburgh, if only to spend five or six months bullshitting with Mike McCarthy about Tim Maste and Brady Papinga. That's what he will do that.
He will do that thing. And it's relatable, Paul. What do single men Crave in their life. They just want to get back together with their friends and talk about the good old days. That's Rod.
That's all he wants to do. He will come back to Pittsburgh just for that reason. Just to talk about when they had two days and oh, fucking remember when we all McCarthy's got no expectations, they got no young quarterback they got to play. He's only going to be there a year. McCarthy can just wade his toes into this water just to have a good time with his old buddy Aaron.
And then next year, okay, the winning starts. He's got a red shirt ear. Of coaching. He can spend, McCarthy can spend the first full year decorating his office. He's got a decade at least.
What hurry does he have to be in? Like, honestly, where would you set the over-under for Tomlins' tenure? This is his forever job. Yeah. And I think And I am too.
And I think the Steelers are comfortable with it being his forever job pending. you know Three consecutive five-win seasons. I think they're just like, hey, we had a Pittsburgh guy. He's a good guy. People, you know, like, gonna represent the logo well.
And there is, he is us. He is absolutely. We are, we are McCarthy. They've created a million McCarthy's. There is not an organization more focused on floor and less focused on ceiling than the Steelers.
You know what I mean? Will Mike McCarthy? Have more seasons. On the sideline for the Pittsburgh Steelers, then according to Jim Had. On ABC.
That was an eight-year run for according to Jim, believe it or not. Um, how old is McCarthy? Sixty? More more seasons. No, McCarthy.
McCarthy, or according to Jim. According to Jim. Because McCarthy is 62. And I just I don't think I see him going until he's 70. That show had 182 episodes.
Where is the where how do these things exist without a cultural footprint? What do you mean? Like when Avatar is making $2 billion. The fuck if it is. Hey, great news.
At what point is even Jim Belushi like? And according to Jim, it's been renewed for season four. How the fuck did I get a four-four season? You want four seasons? And then six, and seven, and eight?
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So thank you, Dan. For that. The defensive coordinator, the thing that bothers me about the defensive coordinator Is you're exactly right, Grant. That they're all the same. But so is the cycle.
Because even Capers, you may not remember this, and even Barry for a little bit. Patton Certainly halfly. But Where we were all in. This guy's great. This is the perfect guy.
This guy's great. Um And so I'm sure that. Gannon will get that for a little bit, and then he'll be right back to giving up 21 points a game like all these guys do. This is a team, by the way, that this is their move so far. Versace is still around.
There's a chance. I mean, McManus, I know you're not going to cut him right now, but.
some sort of like acknowledgement. I saw this tweet from a friend of show, you would never guess. The way I shit on his tweets. Peter Bukowski. That's true of also my show.
The Packers interviewed Christian Parker. He got a DC job. Oh no. The Packers interviewed Durante Jones. He got a DC job.
The Packers interviewed Jonathan Gannon. He got a DC job. For the second cycle in a row, LaFleur seems to have done an excellent job identifying talent. You hired one of those fucking guys that you said. That doesn't mean shit.
Peter. That doesn't mean shit. Also, I am. Not happy about the Jonathan Gannon hire because All of these guys we mentioned. Never have posed a threat to LaFleur as the head coach.
That's why these guys get hired. I'm sorry. The second reason though, or the reason I am happy is He did have to do that. He had to do that with Jim Leonard. Matt LaFleur, as the head coach of the Green Bay Packers, could not have brought Jim Leonard here.
Because that would have been a distraction because fans would have immediately wanted him to be the coach. Who cares what fans want? We're all fans. Or have you been too frayed? And What's the word I'm looking for?
Jaded? Yes. It's just, it's hard to be a fan after all these years of seeing how the sausage is made. You know, this business just kind of beats the fan out of you. Yeah, it beats the fan out of you.
You know what? Hold on, though. Don't let. Let's go there. It took me like three to five years.
Of being out. It did. I believe it.
So, I don't want you to be too cynical or too mocking. Maybe. No, but if you left, if you left. Seeing the sausage made was hard to get out of. I believe it, Paul.
No, I really do. I can't read your tone, and it's going to infuriate me.
Okay. Yeah. It's like seeing. I had a hard time going to grocery stores for years after high school when I worked at one because I'm like, I know exactly what time of the day they put these on the shelf. I know that these bananas are in low stock, but they won't refill them.
I know the bushels come in on Tuesdays. Where the fuck are they? Can I say something that I know? I know. I know your take on this.
Because I've been shitting on people for all of a sudden, every tough guy you've ever known in your life that loves football. I didn't like the snow game on Sunday. I didn't like the snow game. But you probably want to see football played at its purest form. You want thirty-two domes.
You don't even want crowd noise or home and away. You want every game to be neutral. Right? I have been consistent. Snow games are shit football.
The first three quarters of that game was shit football, and the conditions were perfect. And people are like, oh, well, the Patriots won because of the snow. They would have won by 30 if it didn't fucking snow. Oh, I don't know about all that. Drake may look like shit.
I've never seen a quarterback play three more meg games and just waltz to the Super Bowl. Yeah, well, they're winning it. You being as maybe. Online, as you are. I saw you.
I'm curious what you've all seen because you said you've seen a whole bunch of like the tide change of people suddenly not liking snow games. I I don't see all the things that you're seeing. I personally have been consistent. Like I've never. And I'm not going to be the guy.
I don't remember all the aspects of this. Are you straw manning this? No, no, I'm. No, I'm being genuine. I'm like, are you saying I'm making up what I'm seeing to give my point out there to try to win favor back by telling people I'm actually an alpha?
Which I am. I am an alpha. No, I'm confident in myself and my abilities. I did not think you were, but now I do think you are making them all up. You've now changed.
No, I saw Ty Dunn talking to some guy. Florio wrote an article. There was a bunch of people hammering about it. Give me like Ty, for example. He was anti-Snow Game or what?
No, he was pro, but he was interviewing a guy who now, this is the line. The line is. You just shouldn't decide a trip to the Super Bowl when it's snowing.
Well, then what the fuck? Here's what I would say: You shouldn't decide a trip to the Super Bowl in fucking Denver where the altitude is 52. I'm tweeting that. Fuck this show. Yeah.
The It's kind of like find somebody to rail on. I mean, what here's my counterpoint to my own thought. And again, I'm not here to like. I don't have such a strong feeling about it. I don't personally like watching it.
As selfishly as a viewer, I'm like, that was. Yeah. Like, that's my only thought. Is how do I want to watch it? Aesthetics.
Yeah. Well, no, just like all Imig's only take on this matter is aesthetic. That's what I'm hearing right now. I watched in a three-point playoff Ch in a championship game. The Patriots throw the ball out of bounds purposefully in the fourth quarter.
to instead punt Because the throw out of bounds incomplete on purpose, as drawn up in the huddle, was better than a fumble. A missed you know snap situation.
So that's that's dumb. Drake May has like seven fumbles in three playoff games. If I was his head coach, I would have told him to throw it out of bounds, too. And that would be unrelated to the elements, by the way.
So, you know, like sometimes, and you know, like guys like Cowherd that we talk about, they have to be, they have to feel, and Bart, you would always say this on your national show.
Sometimes you're talking about something because it's interesting to talk about. I know, right? Pour one out. Um But sometimes you're talking about something you're like, here I do have an opinion on that, but I'm not like Dying on that stupid hill. It's not, I don't, I don't care.
I'll tell you what I think. I think snow games are fucking dumb. And like, it's not good football, and I don't want to watch it, but I'm like, I don't really. Who cares? Like, whatever.
We're going to be watching his NFC championship one day between, like, The Bears And the Giants You know. In a dome. In January. Gross. Why even play why even have Why not have what the UFL did, where you have all the teams centered in one place?
Why have any attachment to cities? Here's the other thing I think is done. Why have home field advantage? Yeah, the altitude sucks, but that's where they live. The weather sucks.
The rain sucks. The the oh it's too hot It's too hot, so we're gonna wear our white jerseys and we're gonna be in the shadows and you Wha why are we taking away all these advantages?
Well I like the idea. That you would want home field advantage. Like, let's put it like a dome stadium. Like, if you're the Falcons, you want home field advantage in your dome because you've presumably built your team. to thrive in that environment.
That's a waste of fucking time, I think. What is? We're playing a dome, so let's get fast, guys. If that's how you're building your team. Fuck you.
Fuck you. And the Falcons were just a random example, but certainly the St. Louis Rams of the Kurt Warner era did that. They're like. The same with Breeze.
Oh, yeah. Another good example. I mean, it's a thing that's happened.
So I'm not. St. Louis Rams, by the way, built shit around Trent Green and got lucky that a grocery store attendant was fucking good enough to throw a football. They didn't build shit.
Well, they still had Isaac Bruce and Marshall Falk and. They Yes, quarterback aside. Also, Drew Breeze should be more of an arena league football. It's laughable now that Rogers got eliminated. Everyone's ranking quarterbacks.
I saw Breeze in front of Rogers. He's a CFL quarterback who played in a dome.
Sorry. Yeah. Well, I don't know. We have three different topics going, so that's fine. We do pretty typical.
Snow games. Yeah. Whatever. I don't, it was. What was a better viewing experience?
The AFC game or the NFC Championship game? They were both outside in unique stadiums. They were both good for that reason. I don't need this no, I just don't want my games played in a fucking conference center. Oh, the thing, and I don't know who Ty was talking to, but the guy was like.
Elementary schools know two days before when they're going to cancel. Why didn't the NFL just say, hey, it's going to snow? Let's move it up three hours. Are you fucking kidding me? This is the NF.
This is what I don't get. You guys, I grew up playing soccer.
So I don't know who this guest was, but he sounds smart. My whole life, I've been bullied by football people. Yeah, it's always about your trauma. Here we go. Your fucking trauma.
Well, I think that football people have this image of being so fucking masculine. I get it as a cross-country guy. Is anyone masculine to do shirts off TV shows? Bart Kreischer? Similar build.
Don't end up. Stop that. I want some memorandums, guys. Bump bum bum bum bum. Have you tried the peanut M ⁇ Ms?
Damn. Only Only a treat for those. Watching on the YouTube. Oh yeah, if you're on audio, I took my shirt off. And panned down to the gut.
Yeah, and then my gut talked and did a tummy dance. Yeah, and it did a bit. My gut did a bit. Did a tummy dance. I don't know.
Where do we go? Where do we go? Where do we even go? Jonathan Gannon is how did I get here? Jonathan Gannon, it's fine.
Or It's fine, it doesn't matter because the coach sucks. The only thing I want to add about Gannon is like he's kind of got like two viral meme clips, so to speak, right? He has the like. Awkward. Quiet.
Was that during hard knocks, right, thing? And then he has the smacking his running back thing. Let's not forget that the way that Liam Cohen's tenure in Jacksonville started was with a really weak. Really bad. Hey, your press conference matter.
You're Mr. Press Conference. I've never cared about the press conference. My point is, you can, you can. If Liam Cohn wasn't as good, that's all anyone still be talking about.
Now it's like, oh, like Liam Cohn's a really good coach. And so now that matters less. If If you can't get like the maximum amount out of You know, a Micah Parsons-led defense, then. then that's not great. Uh you know.
The Jim Leonard conversation is just an annoying one, and I don't want to go there. But I don't think it's not. If you told me I can have a defensive coordinator who has been an NFL head coach, or a defensive coordinator who has not been an NFL head coach. If those are the only two bits of information I know. I'm taking the guy who has been an NFL head coach.
If that's all I know. I think it's a pretty obvious thing. When you've done it. When you have a lot of responsibilities and then you get some taken away. And just have to focus.
Like, I think that is good. And you've seen, you've seen more now. Like, when he was a defensive coordinator for Philly, it's like, but he's like seen an entire operation. Did he manage it well? Does the team successful?
No, but it's still not. It's like to me, there's value in the. The seeing of it. And then you get to hire. One thing I would do if I was like a boss at any place.
It like I said the grocery store um thing. If I'm like, hey, I'm begging at a grocery store, I'm some, you know, part-time minimum wage guy. I would still like on your first day, I'm showing, I'm not even making you bag shit for a week. Just go around, look at the grocery store, see what happens, see how this place works. It's nothing fancy, but you need to have an understanding.
Of like I don't know. I just take so much value in the amount of things that I learned. In Fond du Lac, when I was doing radio, basically running a station by myself. the the sales part, the engineering part, just like You just get more of appreciation, and you can do your job better because you understand it better. Yep.
Like, go shop in my store for an hour and then interact. Like, I would have these people shop before they even. We're employed. You just you just want to move to a small town and run a grocery store Bart? Is it that obvious?
Maybe. Just sounds like something you'd want to do. In Alaska, if I remember right. anywhere but here. I went to that movie once with my then girlfriend and She goes.
Are you enjoying yourself? And I said. Just look at the title card. I'd rather be anywhere but here.
So you weren't you weren't enjoying yourself. No, but then she No, I'm just kidding. I never did that in a movie theater. I made it out in a movie theater. I never did any hand stuff.
Paul, you ever make on a movie theater? I can't do that. Have you met me? What's your guess? You wouldn't go anywhere.
No, Paul's making out at Broadway shows, Grant. Yeah. That was a different kind of theater. There's a theater, and then there's the theater. Yeah, Paul makes out in the theater.
There's a very big difference, Grant. Anywhere, but here, who's in that? Uh Natalie Portman. A half. There's she?
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What else? What else? What else? What else? What else?
What else? What else? You want to do Giannis or Freddy? Have you seen this? Have you heard about this?
Freddy Peralta got traded. Yeah. You want to be ready or or Yannis? Sue Freddy first. Yeah.
All right, I'm going to continue my theme. For the day, there's a theme to my questions. Grant, I'm going to start with you. Trading away a 29-year-old starter whose peripherals are all trending down is a good process for any team in any market. Mm-hmm.
First of all, I didn't look up the peripherals other than the whiff. I mostly just made that up. And some baseball knowers in the replies did call me out on that, but that's fine. They can tweet what they want. I'll tweet what I want.
I think it's a good process. Yeah. Yes. And a lot of Brews fans.
Okay, here's the thing, Paul. If he was 25 and in arbitration two, maybe I'd feel differently. What I get frustrated with, well, multiple things. From Brewers fans, I get frustrated when I hear.
Well, why do we always have to be a farm system for the big boy? Why can we never keep guys? And to that, I say, they did. They extended him early and he's for eight years. Oh, Freddy, too.
That's about as good as you're going to do in professional sports. Yeah. The other thing that frustrates me is. I'll use my Bart mocking voice here. Is other people around baseball fucking Dodgers people?
That's also a Bart voice. Fucking Dodgers people going on Twitter and saying, Yeah, the Dodgers signing Kyle Tucker is one thing, but the Brewers winning 97 games and trading their ace is way worse. It's like, guys, it's Freddy Peralta. It's not prime Jacob deGrom. He's a solid pitcher for Christ's sake.
Like, everyone acted like the Brewers just traded the best pitcher in the world. It's fine, it was a good trade. Yeah. I love the way you phrase that. And once again, the theme of the show is: I'm just going to steal Gran's tweets that have become.
Just Just wonderful tweets. You should read my tweet about Wasaw next. That one's doing, that's that was good bait. Is it rage bait? Rage bait!
Doing numbers. Bait that I believe, though. That's the thing. That's when it's best, is when it's rage bait, but it's also rage bait, I believe. Do you think the four major cities in Wisconsin are Milwaukee, Madison, Wausau, and Eau Claire?
I think Wausau is one of them, and I'm trying to build the plane around that. I don't know about Eau Claire, but I think Milwaukee and Madison have to be one, and I really think Wausau does too. And you can say Green Bay, fine. Yeah, I don't think it's La Crosse. La Crosse is a city on an island, and that's my favorite city in the state, but.
I don't think you can have Eau Claire and Was, I think you need to pick one. I'll pick Waasa then.
Well then I don't wanna I don't wanna It ignore that part of the state. But I also don't want to give any cred like I don't want to say Appleton fuck the Fox cities Mana to walk.
So, this topic was discussed on Travel Wisconsin or Discover Wisconsin's The Cabin pod. And they were throwing out Sheboygan and I with all due, Paul. Yeah. What were they saying? They were saying, in terms of being a top four city, what?
In the state? Four major cities. And they said Sheboygan?
Well, they have all the industry there or something. I don't know. I didn't. They got one building with a giant flag.
Well, I guess are we also saying like Kohler? Or did not count. Probably. Company and whatnot. If I gave a shit about the presence of humans in the industry that they provide, I'd care about Kenosha, Racine, Janesville, and I, Beloit.
And I, and I must tell you, I do not. None of them.
So much, so much of the state does not even, respectfully, those places don't exist.
South of 94, south of Madison and Milwaukee, that's Illinois. It's this freaky, liminal space in between our two states. If you live there, I'm, you know. Yeah, why is everybody asking where does up north begin? Why aren't we asking where does Illinois begin?
Where does it begin? I start getting scared in Oak Creek. And by scared, I mean like. I don't like it down here. Old Creek, I'm going to give.
But they do have bear stuff at like that farm and fleet down there, the Blaines. Plus query? Conahays, Wisconsin. Oh, Cut A is Wisconsin. The Cut A Packers.
Um yeah, I mean Racine is not Wisconsin at all. No, no, no. It's when you get to that stretch in 94 where it's real fucking wide. And there's the stuff is way off on a state of mind and a vibe as much as it is a place, but you can picture the place. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Uh Bart, I heard you talk about Freddy extensively. On the pod, which I think was supposed to be like a Buck Spurs post-game, but then Freddy got traded. Anything else you want to say? I do not believe I will be doing a Buck Sixers post-game tonight.
The team is abhorrent. Um If you want to pivot to that. Obviously the latest Commentary, I don't know if I should call it reports. The latest guesswork from the national media is what I'm going to replay to you. This is my first of the day.
That is not a steal from Grant. I think it's a steal from who was it today, Mark Spears.
So your theme was two Grant tweets? I was going to see if there was a Bucks one that I could steal just so the whole theme could be played out, but there wasn't. Brant can't tweet about the Bucs. That's not his brand. Whether it's before the trade deadline or it's this summer, regardless of that point.
Giannis has played his last game as a buck. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm. What do you believe right now today? I don't think he's getting traded at the deadline.
Okay, but that still leaves up the option that. Even though Doc Rivers says, oh, we have no intention. Like You should obviously sit up. Why don't the Warriors and Bucks just merge like the Eagles and Steelers did during the Second Great War? By the way, that's what I call it now.
Because World War I was not called World War I at the time. That was they called it the Great War. And then retroactively, Iron Man wasn't called Iron Man One. I just watched Iron Man 3 today in anticipation of Wonder Man. What's the I don't want to we sidetracked every sidetrack today.
I want to ask you, what is where does Wonder Man come from? Like, what is that part of? I've not niche character.
Okay. Excited to watch it tonight. By the way, uh Masters of the Universe trailer? Hell yeah. Who's in that?
I forget who the guy playing He-Man is. But I think Idris Elba is One of the dudes, but I'm a big like Skeletor Master of the Universe guy, no? I mean, I had the toys, I never knew what the fuck I was playing with, but. The movie trailer suite comes out in June. My kid is excited as all hell.
My kid's excited for Saturday, the Royal Rumble, and I'm going to teach him what sports washing means. You sports washing? Are you going to go? I thought this was cool. I think they're.
Would you ever go watch that at like The movie theater. Because they're doing that. I think like Marcus Theaters is airing I think that's awesome. I don't have anything. Any reason I can get into a Marcus, I'm in for.
Hell yeah. As long as we get like the Hey, hey. I'd watch Paint Dry if it was in a Marcus. On one of those cozy recliners. With that deliciously buttered popcorn.
MMs. MMs. By the way, you're highlighting what I think might be my favorite part of our group chat. Every time we go to a movie, we take a screenshot of Greg Marcus on the screen. Fucking boss.
I swear to God. What? What? I just don't remember people doing that before I started doing it. I have to say it.
I was in, I was my freshman year of college, I started sending Greg Marcus Snapchats up the ass. And I think. I think in terms of our. Is this your Blackout Wednesday? Yeah, and I'm embarrassed that I think it is because it almost certainly is not, but I swear to Christ.
Well, no, no, Grant. I mean, I don't remember the origin of how it came to be part of our thing. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't like me or Bart. Doing it as an original bit. I think I was like doing it as like a, I don't remember who started it in our trio, but I think it was homage to your thing.
I don't. I wouldn't pretend to take. No, I'm not saying that you guys did it. I just So wait, you're saying but that is a thing? Yeah, every time I open Snapchat, people just post when he pops up in his little ad.
Everyone posts it. When they're at the theater. Yeah. So that's not the thing. I'm getting to an age now where people don't.
you know, really. post random shit like that anymore, but They should. Yeah, that age is done.
Now we're monetizi monetizing or uh rage baiting. Like Grant. Talking about wasa, speaking of rage baiting, Yannis is you know, I came up with a quote. I came up with the phrase, I came up with the phrase, any given Sunday. We were first to wise up to the random Tuesday thing.
I hear that shit. We knew her. Yes. That is real. I think he's played his last game as a buck paul.
And you know what the sign for me was? Is when Giannis does his post-game interview and diagnosed his timetable himself before ever having a test done. I'm like, and then three days later, the coach says, Yeah, he did a pretty good job diagnosing. That's actually pretty close to what it's going to be. It's like, come the fuck on.
Can we just be... Can we just get off this ride? Actually, he wants to.
So, whether he's played his last game as a buck or not, he has played his last game. As a buck. In his heart. He is going. When I went to that New Year's Eve game.
He is going through the motions. He is not. Engaged. He does not want to be here. And then, you know, like people are like, Giannis, you want off to ride?
No, no, no, no, no. That's actually. He actually thinks as he rides around on the ride. That everyone is going to leave and the ride's gonna shut down and the carnival's gonna close. And then he'll be like, What mean I?
Fucking guess, like, I'll get off the ride. It's like, no, Janet. Like, I'm worried that he's so, like. You know, he really wants to be loyal or whatever. That if the Bucks are like Giannis You're free to leave.
Every Bucs fan is on the phone right now. We want to say goodbye to you. We love you. You are free. He'd say.
Who says I want to go? What are you talking about? Go, dude. Just fucking go. You want to go?
Just fucking go. Just go. And I love how every trade proposal has to include the NASA. Maps get. Fanassus.
I couldn't tell for a minute there if you were doing like the ending of Harry and the Hendersons. Oh. Do you ever see the ending of dinosaurs? We've talked about this. Yes.
The dad on dinosaurs kills everybody. That's why they died. Yeah. He turned off the power, he fucked up the other, the other traumatizing part of that show as a young'in. Do you remember like what they do with the grandparents?
No. I had a Confirm this. My memory. is that they would go to the tar pit. And like dump grandma in.
Oh, and then wow. Right. Off you go. All I wanted to see was not the mama hitting the dad with the frying pan. That's what I came for.
I didn't come for this traumatized thing. Guys, I gotta just totally be honest with you. I don't think dinosaurs existed. I don't. Is that a real thing?
I mean, we are aligned on many of these bizarre data. I don't think dinosaurs existed. Say more. Or maybe probably less, but go ahead, say more. It just doesn't make any fucking sense.
Yeah. I just I think they were created for kids. Big dinosaur. I think and I think it got out of hand. Yeah.
I think like somebody told a fable over in Ancient England, and they just fucking spread, and all of a sudden.
Someone was like. I found a bone. This could be it. And then I mean, it's been think of how much business has been done because of those fucking things, though, in Hollywood. With toys, with books.
But dinosaurs are a very kid thing. Like every kid loves dinosaurs. What's your favorite dinosaur? T-Rex.
Okay, you at Paul? Stegosaurus. See? We all have a favorite dinosaur. And then the lie got so out of hand, they're like.
Well, we need more than this, because every time I go to a museum, it's like I've never heard of this fucking dinosaur. We found another one. They just keep pumping them out. I think the most frustrating part about. dinosaurs For me.
Is that someone decided that pterodactyl starts with a P. Yeah, that would bother you. Isn't that just upsetting? Yeah, but like, are birds part of dinosaurs? They're the most dinosaurs' thing we have left.
Absolutely. Are they more than a story? Close. I'm not a scientist. The word the word dinosaur Uh oh.
was not coined until 1824. What were they called before then? They were not a thing that anyone talked about. They were fake. Sure.
Look what I will go along to get along. The dinosaurs are real. They're keeping museums open, man. What does the science museum have if not for their Bronosaurus skeleton? But I need more proof.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm very skeptical about the existence of dinosaurs. Woolly mammoth? Yeah, well, any of that shit where humans lived with, sure.
Okay, okay, okay, okay. I also think there used to be a society that lived on this planet, was very advanced. And then was wiped out and then erased from history. Here's something I just Anyway, I think Giannis is. I think that's the last game as a buck.
This is. We don't typically stay on task well. This is definitely in the bottom third of Staying on task episodes, but I think it's been enjoyable. Two things. I don't I don't know if Giannis has played his last game with the Bucs.
I hope Giannis has played his last game with the Bucs. I just this needs to be This needs this needs to be done. You know, and the thing that's hard about that is. I remember vividly. How close Kobe Bryant was to being a Chicago Bull and how much he was pushing for that, and it didn't happen.
And then, you turn course of the c you know, of the franchise and it eventually You know, you retire there, and it's you get to do your retirement tour. Like, there's a version of this where the bucks don't do anything. They get a top five pick. They go into this offseason and they you know, retool around that and Giannis. You know, they have a new coach and they have this top five pick and.
He gets happy again and he can kind of end on his. Kobe thing, because I don't think Dirk was I know we used like Kobe and Dirk as examples of You know, single-team players. I don't think Dirk was ever close to being traded, not that I can recall.
Someone can tell me that that's not true. But I vividly remember Kobe and the Bulls and how close that was, and how Kobe wanted that to happen.
So you can in theory get through this and be on the other side of it. But And credit to Lori Nickel for her. Peace. You the the ambiguity that the fans are now left with of this Just fucking disaster of a season. Where the smart move is whether Giannis is traded or not, to lose is like to at least be around the wind mark of like the Pelicans.
So you can get. you know a good pick regardless of whether it's your pick or the Pelicans because you get to you have you get the worst of those two and right now both those teams are shit Um So, I don't know. It's really annoying, though. And I'm not going to watch it.
So, just to be clear, I want to say one more thing on that. Unless you've paid the bucks any mind, but I really bad. It's bad. I'm going to watch it tonight. It's bad.
You are going to watch it tonight. You're going to subject yourself to it. I would like you guys to go and watch. The Finale sketch of the 1986 season of Saturday Night Live. 1986 finale.
Yeah, this is a season that was panned so badly. That the last sketch of the season. The cast was stuck in a fire. And everyone was like dying. in the fire.
And then Lauren Michaels was like. Not you, John. And he saved John Lovitts. Oh. And then he was the cast member the next year, but like everybody, this might have been like the Robert Downey year.
Wow. Billy Crystal was on for a year. They just had it, and it didn't work. I might be getting that mixed up, but the sketch is real. That's what needs to happen with the Bucs.
I just don't want Giannis out. I don't like any of this. None of it works. It's all mishmash. If you like, who's your John Lovitts?
Is it Ryan Rollins? Yes. Is it A.J. Green? Kevin Porter?
No. I've got no need for AJ Green. He could be my Kevin George. Don't say I'm not going to do that. Every time I watch AJ Green or play him on DraftKings, he's missing threes like crazy.
He's one of the league's premier spot-up shooters. Not when I bet on him, whether or not your DraftKings tells you otherwise. Anyway, I got to pick up my kid. Anything else for you, dinosaur enthusiasts? I'm going to go check Grant's Twitter and then see if I have any other topics.
Yeah, it was a real weird year, Grant. I mean, I don't know any of the casts. Kevin Nealon's funny, but. Kevin Dylan was in 1986 SNL. He was on in the late 80s, yeah.
I don't watch it anymore. It's it's not funny anymore. It's not funny. It's not funny. No funny.
No funny. You know what we're getting now is. The Super Bowl sucks ass. I hate both these. I'm not going to watch it as we get those people.
We're all going to fucking watch it. Would you shut up? Also, it's not Niners, Eagles, Chiefs again. This is great.
Well, Patriots, Seahawks is like the next worst thing if you're not going to have. When we did our thing before the playoffs started, and we said, like, what is the top three matchups that the NFL would want to have happen? Yep. Where would Seahawks Patriots have ranked. No better than mid, I don't think.
Right? Like. 11th or something. Having said that, can't fucking wait. Let's go.
Of course. It's the Super Bowl. It'll be the balls. Yeah. Well Should I post this one?
Yeah. I think you have some editing to do. Tim does. Big dinosaur is going to come after us for this one. Big dinosaur.
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