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Welcome into the Winklerverse. I am Bart Winkler. It is great to be with you as we It may or may not reach midnight live here on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream with a couple of noteworthy items. to discuss um Packers. Are talking to people to be their defensive coordinator, and Rich Basacea still is employed.
Uh somehow.
So that is great. The box are going to lose tonight to the Thunder. I mean, I don't know what to say about this team that we haven't already said. It is not good. With the Milwaukee Bucks, and we can touch on that.
And this is what the show was going to be: another one of those rehash: why do the Bucks suck so much? Um I I have some things to say. I'd like to see Pete Nance more. You know? Cole Anthony, there was at one point he had the worst pass in the history of the world.
Then there was one point where he like skipped while he dribbled, and I don't know how it wasn't. A travel And then he knocked down a three because I was going to be like, ah, Cole Anthony's the worst player I've ever seen. And then he knocks down a three. And they're like, oh, he's got 10 points. He leads all scorers with the Bucs.
What? It's just an absolute disaster. And now Kevin Porter Jr. is out for God knows how long.
So I don't know what they're going to do. The trade deadline is coming up. Um You know, Giannis could be a part of that. I have no idea. What to think.
And that. Topic trades. is where we will probably spend the majority of our time here tonight with Freddie Peralta. And Tobias Myers. being traded to The New York Mets as David Stearns.
Continues to collect a few former brewers. Devin Williams also. There during this offseason.
So the Brewers, in return. Are we going to get Jet Williams? Another Short king, and you think he's 5'7 ⁇ . Second base. Short.
Outfield, that kind of guy that we love. And then Brandon Sprout.
Alrighty, who could throw pretty hard? Those are the two guys that are going to be coming. Over. These are guys, both of these guys are in the top ninety. I believe it's of the MLB.
Prospects. And they're getting I mean, they're getting some good players. They're getting some good players. as you would think that they should. when you're trading.
Your ace in Freddy Peralta, a move that is very similar to what they did a few years ago, where they traded. Corbin Burns to the Baltimore Orioles for a collection of guys and they're doing it again. First comment in here from Charles. Brewers went straight fire sale after getting the best record in baseball. L O L And we will discuss that here.
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So, a couple of young guys coming over. Jet Williams. He recently turned 22. He was a first round pick in the 2022 draft. Third best prospect in the Mets organization according to Pipeline.
Recently listed as the thirtieth best prospect in baseball. Baseball America, similar numbers. Seventy first best prospects, so a little lower for them. And fourth best. In the Mets.
He's a quick guy on the bases, good infield arm. He jumped between Triple A and Double A last year.
So he went back and forth. Ken hit, steals bases. I mean, he's exactly the kind of guy. I think when people were identifying if Freddie Peralta could and would be traded. The This guy jumped off the page if it was going to be to the Mets as, oh, that's a future brewer.
He can hit a little bit. There's some power. You know, we're not talking 40-home run guy, but there's some power, and he's going to steal some bases. And he's, again, again, I don't know how many times we'll say it our word of the day. Short King.
That's number two. On the day. All right.
So you get Jet Williams, so you get another guy. They're collecting these guys. Brandon Sprout Alrighty. He could throw pretty hard. He's 25 years old, second-round pick in the 2023 draft.
Fifth best prospect by both Pipeline and Baseball America.
So, again, we, I mean, we rated. Not rated. We got two guys. It's two for two. But we we We got some good guys.
We, the Brewers. Uh got some good guys. Sprout went eight and six. With a 424 ERA at AAA. And then they brought him up to the big leagues.
He was 0 for 2, 4, 7, 9, ERA and 4 starts with The mats But again, he can throw hard. I'm not going to say like Ms. type hard, but he can throw. uh pretty well.
So Byron says we traded for an even shorter Caleb Durbin, friend of Shell. And a right-handed DL Hall, Texas Badger chiming in. Hate this trade. The Brewers traded away. Tobias Myers.
He's been with us a little bit. I don't have an emotional attachment to Tobias Myers. And then Freddy Peralta. And I see a lot of people uh sad. That Freddy Perelta's gone.
I see a lot of people upset. That Freddy Peralta is gone. I like Freddy Peralta and I think he's a good pitcher. Um I I don't See, he is our ace. And I guess he'll be the Mets ace?
But I don't know that Freddy Peralta is an ace.
So, I'm not going to react like we traded away an ace. I mean, I know. What'd he finish? Top five in Cy Young. I mean, he's good.
But when you think of Freddy Peralta, do you think of like 13 strikeouts in a game or do you think of.
Well, it's the first inning. It's 40 pitches. Eventually, he'll get through it. But uh Interesting juxtaposition between what some people are thinking. Mark says you could just pay him, though.
Mark A doesn't pay for proven players. I saw one Mets fan go, what are we going to give him? Five for $160? We're not giving Freddy $33 million a year. He's 30 years old.
I don't think he should get that anyway, but. We'll see what Cohen wants to spend over there. Joining us to talk about this. Good, good, buddy. Andrew It's Wagner.
My man, legsy. But Two dudes designated for assignment. With With no independent leagues even interested in hiring us, we're going to have to go to Japan or Korea and do a show there. Where's the guy the brewer signed? He turned out to be a bust.
Was it Josh Lindbloom? Was that it? I think that was the guy. Yeah, but I think.
Okay, I think you have that right because I thought there was another guy, but yeah, you go over to Korea, you throw. 287 ERA, you come back here and get your shit rocked. Yeah, I think I think Colin Ray did that too. Possible. Um What are your initial thoughts on this, on this trade?
Someone who has been in that lineup? I'm not. I'm not trying. Listen. You know, I've said this to you.
I've said this in the past: like, Freddie's a great guy. I hate happiness and happy people and joy and. Pleasantry. And people who are perpetually in a good mood and smiling, I think there's something chemically wrong with them. But Freddie was that guy, like.
He made even I even. Found it tolerable with him. Like he was a great dude, great guy in the clubhouse, appreciated being there. Great. But like you said, it's People are saying that the brewer's trading away their ace.
Never mind the whole economics thing. When I think of an ace, I think of the guy of... You've lost three straight or two straight. He's going out there and he's gonna bust the slump or he's gonna extend the winning streak. But the other thing that I think of.
And this is where Freddie falls short, is. Your ace is the guy that when he takes the mound, the guys in the bullpen know they're getting a much needed day off. And that's never the case. I mean, how many times? Have you been sitting and watching a game and they cut over to the bullpen in the third inning and dudes are scurrying to get loose?
You said it 40 pitch first innings. There's always the Freddy inning, and me and Stern and Hoag would like. Pinpoint every before every Freddy start, which one do you think it's going to be? Listen, he's a good pitcher. Um But until he learns efficiency, he's not going to be a great pitcher.
So I think they got a great deal for him. And what's lost in all this is the same thing with Devin Williams. Like. Don't look at it as a cost-cutting mood. The brewers are so lousy.
With starting pitching talent. Which I know has been decimated each of the last two years when they're in the same position. But they've got so much of it that They didn't trade Freddy because they had to. They traded Freddie because they could. And they got a really good return on it.
Like, I think it was a smart thing to do. Uh yeah, I I don't know How we should have this conversation. From a brewer's standpoint, because I don't know how you can have this conversation. without talking about The financial constraints of baseball. Like, obviously, we've seen the Brewers do this before.
Keep turning your TV off. Is it on? I don't know. I hear something. Cheap.
Yeah, so it's the best button. Oh, I had it. I thought it was on mute. I'm watching the Bucks Pulse game. Oh, is it mercifully over, though?
It's mercifully over. 122 to 102. All right, those are our thoughts on that. Um, Yeah, because obviously we've seen the brewers do this.
So we know that there's some level of like they need to do this. From a different standpoint, though. Freddy is 30. I don't want to give them their contract. I wouldn't.
I don't even know. Like I don't Obviously, so what is the rotation now? Woodruff when he's back, Miz, Patrick? Priester. Who else?
You got Logan Henderson who's going to be in the mix. It's not terrible. You can do worse than that. No, they might go back and give Ashley Ashley one more chance at starting, like. Jordan Montgomery, are we going to prove a deal?
Yeah, I think they, I hope they do. I think they'd be the smart. Why wouldn't you? You get a guy with that pedigree cheap. Oh, dirt cheap.
And and Have him working out with that with that. Listen, anytime the brewers pick up a pitcher. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. And that's not toe on the company line. But you look at what this organization has done and you, like me, have been around for 8,000 years.
You were there during like the 15 years of just absolute bust pictures. That led to Milwaukee going out and having to sign Jeff Supon and Matt Garza and Kyle Ocean, all those guys. And now the I say all the time, they take you and I. with us for a month. And probably get us to a point where we can get.
at least one strike on a major leap bad. The the funny stuff too there's like There's one conversation and there's another conversation, but they are mixed together in the same conversation. I don't know that if the Brewers were in a salary cap environment, if we had that. I still don't think that they would keep him. From the fact that you're going to have to sign him to a long-term deal.
He is 30. There are, I mean, he had probably his. Best year. It felt like just anecdotally. in the last few.
Um I don't think he can ever pitch at Wrigley again, honestly.
So I'm not Freddy, Freddy, Freddy. I had forgotten about that until you texted it to me. Of course, I was watching that game on TV.
So. You know what I Uh When I was talking to Caleb Durbin last night at an event, saw that. You're taller than him. I am. I'm taller than this new guy too, by like four inches.
Uh but But he was, he was like, God, that sucked. That sucked. And now even when Cubs fans come here. They're going to Freddy, Freddy, Freddy like. You don't know how much I'm so.
In my own space with anything, Chicago, Milwaukee. What was the there was a playoff game? I think it was Cincinnati Pittsburgh in the wild card game. Who was it that like dropped the ball on the mount because they were chanting his name? Oh, I don't know.
That was Queto. It was Quato's. He just dropped it and said, fuck this. Yeah, like the fans were chanting his name. Like, and it was, it was.
absurdly loud. And he got so rattled that he dropped the ball at one point. Yeah. And then just a quick note on the Chicago Milwaukee. What is Craig Counsel doing at this fucking game tonight?
I saw that. I was like, holy shit, that's ballsy. I forgot that word. you know, on a podcast.
So I can swear now. Fuck it, shit, boobs, yeah. Yeah. I saw that on Twitter. What the fuck?
Because Pat Murphy's there, Durbin's there, Patrick's there. I don't understand why Craig wants to go to these things.
Well, because he's trying to troll. He's trying to be a troll. He's trying to play it up. Like he's trying to have his cake and eat it. He's the biggest egomaniac there is in baseball.
I can say this now. He is a piece of shit human being.
So it does not shock me at all. That he's going to go out and pull something like this and sit next to Murph because he knows it's going to get people talking. It's no, it's going to start bullshit and drama. But the thing about him, and I've seen him at Marquette games or whatever, he doesn't look like he's enjoying himself. No.
He looks like somebody forcing him there against his will. I mean, you go back and you watch. Video of the the Diamond Batch and the Marlins World Series and Craig still looks like he pissed pissed himself. Like the dude is just perpetually cranky unless he's like insulting a member of the media. It's the only time he's ever happy in life.
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All right, I got another guy in the room. I'm going to bring in, you know him, Tommy Wertz. Is joining with Joe. I mean Yeah, yeah, I was watching and then I was like, oh shit, Drew's here. Like I better go say hi.
And then Bart just sent me an email with the tagline saying, hi, Tommy.
So figured that was my cue. What's up, Drew? This is a fucking reunion. Yeah, yeah, right. I am looking forward to not tuning in tomorrow and hearing the afternoon host with his red.
I'm sure it's going to be just a well-reasoned, logical, common sense take that. just resonates with the entire Entire listening audience. Yeah, thank you for the compliment. I'm excited to talk about this because I. I don't get it, Drew.
And I have to come on and talk to Drew specifically because Bart's got enough Twitter battles going on with Packer fans.
So Bart doesn't need any more Twitter battles going on right now. True. Like. Why are people mad that Tobias Myers is off this team? I feel like, and there were comments made by Jerry Blevens, I think it was, on SNY for the Mets saying, like, this is a guy that they loved in Milwaukee.
Was there anyone in Pat Murphy's doghouse more than Tobias Myers in his 10 year? I think Pat Murphy wanted him dead by the end of the season. Like, I mean, this is a guy that every week he was getting in trouble on this team for not following through with whatever he was supposed to and having an attitude problem, went up and down last year. How many times? Like, I can't believe how emotionally attached people were to Tobias freaking Myers.
I was asking. Your fans just want to be pissed. That's all I'm doing. I just asked three, and I'm sure you guys saw this already, but all three pitchers who pitched in game three are now Mets. I was just going to say that.
I was just going to say that. And who is not a Met? The guy that won that game.
So, so okay. Here's from the like, I'm trying to, like I said, there's two lanes to this. One is, This is baseball. This is how the Brewers have to operate. Uh well, like maybe there's three, 'cause there's another lane that's Freddy Peralta, long term, what is he to the Brewers?
What But the other thing is There are Brewers fans. That I mean, if you if you look at this, like you look at, because I've been really mad about the Packers. for keeping Matt LaFleur and not Doing something that's going to raise their stature and get to the next level.
So, if you're a Brewer fan with that mentality, you're looking at a team that won 97 games. They went to the NLCS, and so you're thinking. We can improve, we can get better. And now you've taken the guy who was your best pitcher and you've traded him.
So now you're thinking, why did we do that? But I won. Don't think the Brewers are going to be that good again, but that's what they do. Two, there's a lockout coming. Three.
I don't know. I feel like last year was more. They got a bye. They played good regular season baseball. They beat the Cubs.
That's what we're going to remember. I don't see them. I mean, I don't feel like that was a team that was like. One Freddy Peralta away, or one whatever away. I feel like.
The team that lost to the Dodgers. That's what you're going to see over and over again if they get that far. I don't feel like I'm ever going to see a World Series in my lifetime.
So that's why I view them different than I do the Packers. I think they should have just traded them to the Dodgers. I think they should have just tried to go after the best farm system. And everyone's already pissed about what's going on with the Dodgers situation. And what better message to send to all of Major League Baseball than to say that, hey, this game is so broken that the team we got our ass kicked by last year has the best product for us.
To flip our player on investment, and we will send them, we will send him there because that's how desperate we have to be to play in today's baseball.
Now, maybe the Kyle Tucker move was already a straw that broke the camel's back, but imagine the optics. I believe Rami called it malpractice today if they were going to trade him to the Dodgers. But it makes sense from getting the best return and having control as long as you can over these guys. And on top of it, you get to show baseball how stupid baseball is. I thought for sure the Dodgers were going to make a panic move to get Peralta after Trump outbid them to get Greenland.
Like I thought for sure that the Dodgers are going to make a move. I knew Bart would like that one. I dropped that line in there just for Bart. Yes for Bart. No, we're not we're not getting it anymore.
Oh, we're not?
Okay. Well, the joke still works. That would have been funny. And I tell you what, if the Dodgers would have come out with a package. Of guys that the Brewers liked.
I don't see Why they shouldn't. You're right. It's the best return. Again, they have enough guys of Freddy's profile. Who are five, maybe six innings, gonna throw a ton of pitches and strike out a ton of dudes.
They've got guys that are like that with better stuff and more upside.
So, if some team is going to come and give you some top prospects for him. Why not? And if it's the Dodgers, I don't think that says anything about the Brewers like mailing it in, baseball being broken. I mean, it's an $8 million deal.
Now, the Dodgers might go out and pay him 200 million over six next winter, but. That's a year away. The Brewers were bealing from a position of strength. They had the upper hand, and I truly believe that if Matt Arden didn't get an offer with guys that he liked and enough of them, he would have said to hell with it. We're going to go into the season with him.
If we're good, we'll hold on to him and take the draft pick. And if we stink, we'll deal him at the deadline. Like, I well. And Drew, I don't think, and Bart, maybe you remember, obviously, too. Like, I don't think they want to do a deadline move ever again after Josh Hayter.
I just, they just absolutely miscalculated what that would do to the locker room, and it crumbled that whole team.
So they had to make a decision on they got to do this either before this season and Try to do something like they did with Devin Williams or what they did with Corbin Burns, or they're going to have to get the comp pick. And they traded away their comp pick for Quinn Priester as well during this last time, what they did with Willie Adamas.
So, really, it was like they got Quinn Priester in exchange for William Adamas and their number seven prospect last year. Yeah. Well, the Adamist thing, too, and this is something that I text Wags, but I don't. You know, it's kind of lame sports. Talk analogy.
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I'm tired. What's a PJ? What is I'm stone, boys? I hell with that. Um No, I like The Williadamis thing.
When he got traded, I wasn't that upset. And he didn't have that great of a year with the Giants. We'll see what Freddy does with the Mets. But I think that. The Brewers The comings and goings are so frequent.
That we don't have a lot of guys that, like, who would you buy a jersey of right now?
Okay. Miz Kerang. Cheerio, for sure.
So, we've got some guys in that pipeline, but for the longest time, Freddie was one because he's going to be here a long time. Adamis was one. And these are fun, likable guys. And so I think there's that factor of. Fans get attached to them a little more because you see their personality, and baseball is a sport where you can see that personality more.
So He's our ace. But again, I don't know that if he is an ace, and it's kind of like You know, you know. It's a group of. I'll say people. And they're not all that good looking.
Are the best looking one of the people? I know we're just fairly good looking. Because we like to call that Uncle Wag's hanging curve on three every time. It's like how I, Bart half-eye winkler, look when I'm with you, schlubs. Oh, thank you.
I appreciate that. Yeah, I've seen Wags on a full count. He performs. He goes out. I forgot about that.
I threw him the hanging curt. I threw him the hanging curt. That was it. That was what it was. Here's a question from Cal.
If wait, that's thunder. Jeez. That's why Craig Console was at the game today. It had to be Whitefish Bay Dad's night because Mitch Nellis was also at the game. It pisses me off the most about that.
Hang on, I'm going to spin because we didn't get to finish our Craig Console bitch session. What? The thing that pisses me off the most about it. Is like, you know, this was a Murph thing. Like, he's going to try and be the peacemaker in this whole thing.
And it's going to backfire. It's going to backfire and it's going to come back to burn him. Let the people hate this man. And I don't think they hate him enough. That's because I.
You know, had to deal with them more than the public did, but like. People shouldn't. Turn on Murph. for for trying to bring this guy back in the fold.
So they didn't sit by each other, did they?
Well they I thought they were sitting next to each other. I saw the pan from Murph to Durbin and Patrick. I didn't see council in that. I thought they were sitting together. I thought they were sitting together.
Because Murph's there, so did Council, was it random? It could have been random. Was Council in the front row on the court? He was close, yeah. He was close, man.
We didn't see him on a TV camera.
So you so you assume the Bucs gave him those tickets. Like if he would, if Greg Council calls up the Bucks, if I'm the Bucks owner and because I'm petty as hell, like, yeah, we got you, don't worry about it. And I'm putting them up in the Bob Euchre seats. Hell, I'm putting him in the press box because that's got the worst view in the entire building. Dermin said something last night, and it was part of the program we did.
So I'm not saying anything out of school, but he had a comment of like: look at that loser. He had a comment of like. Yeah, and Murphy and Council he he he says they're like I think he likes council, but sometimes I can't tell. Like, he, like, he thinks that it's just, he thinks Murphy's trolling council or something. I don't know.
I didn't dig into that one. Maybe I should have. I mean, how could you? How can you name it? Do you like my new hoodie, by the way?
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Go Kingdom. No, I got a bunch of shit. Not shit, but like good stuff. And then I gave like a hat to my kid, and I gave. I had Caleb sign something for him.
Did you get a check? I got to interview Caleb Durbin and I got to interact.
So But I gave him all this stuff and then he's like. Did Kalen Durbigen give this to me? Kalen Durgan likes me? I'm like, sure. Yep, absolutely.
He's like, he's my favorite. Absolutely. They go, okay. Here's the question from Cal. If we're dealing from strength, why not get something we need?
Well, you always need young pitching in the system because guys are going to work their way through. Guys are going to get hurt. You're going to need them to move up. Um Is that like we need a first baseman kind of thing?
Well, and that's so weird because the Brewers, I mean, between Fisher and Burke and Adams, like they're loaded on the corners now out of nowhere. I think a lot of it would have been interesting if they were going to go on the prospect side of things, if they would have gone outfield because their infield is pretty loaded with infield with prospects. If they were going to go on the prospect route and bring in a guy, like Williams is a great prospect, right? He's going to elevate this Brewers. If they're not already the best farm in baseball, they're turning into the best farm in baseball.
I had tweeted out that the Brewers are building a minor league farm system, like the Dodgers build a major league baseball team. Like they're, they, they look amazing on paper, but they don't have a lot of outfield depth. And you can assume that Christian Yelich is going to be comfortable in the DH role. They brought in Akhil Badu, like to see if he's going to get like one that isn't Williams the infielder and outfielder? Doesn't he?
Yeah, but like he's super utility. But again, like if you're going to have a five foot seven outfielder, like they have South Freelick already. Can we just keep that around there too? He's he feels when you got a guy that that's capable to play the infield. He can always be shifted to another position.
It's a lot harder to bring a guy from the outfield and get him to play the infield. Sal Fralick, Ryan Braun. Um Who else have they tried out like first base or whatever from the outfield? Like, we don't, if they don't figure out at first, Jake Powers. We're going to end up starting a five-foot-five guy at first base if we don't figure out who's.
Everyone on this team is Do you You didn't expect him to go out and get someone to replace Vaughn after what Vaughn did down the stretch last year. You got to at least give him a shot to show. But he can do it and hope that Tyler Black. Got his shit together finally. And if you think the team's biggest need is shortstop, like he can play there too.
Um I d I I Was clipping some things I did. One more Durban thing. I was clipping some things I did with him. On this website I use, and then they generate text for you. And they thought they're like.
Hear what this hockey player has to say about. They thought they looked at Caleb, knew he was an athlete. I thought he was, we got a bunch of hot we had, remember that offensive line infield we had?
Now we got a second line of defensemen. Yep. You know, it's funny you mentioned that offensive line infield when they went out and like moved Travis Shaw to second because they got Mustakis. And I saw someone talk about the end of the Mustakis contract with Cincinnati, and people were so pissed off that the Brewers didn't sign Mustakis to that multi-year deal. And he ended up with like 12 home runs in four seasons.
That's it. Like, well, my ticket was people only liked him because they could go moose. Yeah. I got there's a reason the brewers don't sign. These old guys.
You know, even in William Domas is another example. You know, he's a better player, obviously, but. The first year, maybe two are great. It's year three, four, and beyond that are just brutal. And, like, you're always taking that chance when you sign a guy who's over 30, which is where most free agents are.
Your better shot at like getting a guy is going to get a former number one, former top guy who, for whatever reason, hit a wall, struggled, whatever, and needs a chain of Caesary. A la Andrew Vaughan. Yeah, Jet Williams is only one career homer away from Jesse Winker on the brewers' all-time list. Like, you know, you never know what's going to happen with those moments. Are you workshopping your material for tomorrow with me?
Do you like it? Do you like it? That one was good, right? That one was good. God, remember, I was at that game.
You're like one of those dick big stand-ups that goes to every open mic with his notebook and tapered. My targets with the water bottle. Wagner's.
Okay. So I'm working it out. I'm working it out. I would workshop all the time on this show for my. national show and then Although these were my hours, so Hey.
At least you didn't get banned.
Okay. Well, I I think Whatever ban you got, I I think I got an unofficial ban. I think mine is too, but nonetheless, here we are just sitting here at 1130 on a. I'll tell you, I can go to any Doc Spiders game I want if you want to cover them extensively. The kids love those too.
I mean, your boy's going to love that.
So, hey, Bart, I saw you were at a Doc Spiders event last night. Did you talk to anybody? Caleb Durbin? Place of the place for the brewers.
So I think, okay. Freddy Peralta. I don't think 'Cause I I think a lot of people are still in Packer Brain right now. I don't think that If the Packers had a guy. And maybe this is like a Jordy Nelson kind of thing.
How old was he when they let him go? But you have a guy that's like 30 years old, and if you're going to keep him, it's going to be a longer contract. You're going to pay him.
Well, that's the biggest difference between baseball and the other sports. And I know everyone points to every sport's got the cap, and that's not the biggest difference. The biggest difference is baseball is the only sport where every single cent of every single year of every single contract is guaranteed. The NFL, yeah, you'll take a salary cap hit, but you can waive guys, you can release guys, you can restructure their deals, you can do all kinds of stuff, and you can get rid of a guy a hell of a lot easier than it is if you sign a guy to a six-year $150 million, $200 million contract. I just don't.
I think that, Drew, have you said to Bart the numbers you texted me already yet? No, because they might have been wrong. Uh Well, I was sober at the time, so. When I looked at baseball reference again, it looked different. I don't know how many times Freddy Peralta got past or got into the seventh inning this year.
And I know for a fact that one of them was his second start of the season.
So down the stretch, He, and that was the longest start he had had. He went eight innings in the first game that they won, I believe it was. Maybe it was the second game they won of the season. Remember, they got their ass kicked the first four games of the year. And then I think Freddie Peralta was maybe their first win.
It might have been their second. But regardless, like, I know baseball has changed. But Bart, you bring up the point of He is The Brewers ace. I don't know if he's really necessarily an ace in Major League Baseball. Logan Webb, who finished fourth in Cy Young voting this year, while Freddie finished fifth.
Pitched one more game and had over 35 more innings than the guy. Like I know Freddy Peralta takes the ball every five days. but I made a comment before I hopped on like. Mendoza better start warming up meters, too. Like, he's just always coming in after this.
What about I think it's interesting that David Stearns. made this trade. I think it's interesting that how Mets fans are reacting to Stearns. They're very happy right now with their week. Obviously with Bachette, Robert.
And he's making this trade with Matt Arnold. Who they're thickest thieves and they know each other very well.
So I wonder with that. must have been like for those two to try to negotiate. 'Cause it seems like any any Mets fan That I've seen comment on this is excited because they got a big league arm. but they also feel like they gave up. Maybe too much.
For that arm.
So I wonder what that's like between those two guys. And I guess it was David Stern's anniversary tonight. He's at his dinner making trades. Could you imagine being married to him? And I've met his wife.
She's a wonderful human being. She's very nice. She's very pleasant, very outgoing. Weist? And then you have David, who is a robot and likes to say robust and industry and.
do this half grin looking off to the side and bounce his head every time he talks. But at least like if he has his phone out at dinner It's like, oh, I have to make a big league trade. I'm a, you know, I'm the president of the. Do you think maybe he like snuck off to the can? Like, oh, oh.
The chicken parm isn't hitting right. I gotta hit the hat. If they were dating, maybe, I think with a marriage. You throw it out there. But like how many people go on dates?
And are still on their phone. Like, you're probably on your phone more than dating. You haven't dated in 56 years. Let me tell you, buddy, you're on your phone the whole time now on a date. Oh, that's false.
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I didn't know you could do that. Keep representing Northeastern Wisconsin Radio Bart.
So, how did you end up hosting this shit? Is it because you're like such a huge celebrity, the proud son of Fond du Lac. The Doc Spiders thing? Yeah. I graduated with the guy who runs the Doc Spiders.
Okay. Nice. I was like, that's, yeah.
So there were connections I played. This wasn't like Hometown Hero.
Well, and that angle helped. I mean, I grew up in Fond du Lac and worked there. Didn't she go to North Fondi? No, no, no, no.
Okay. I lived in an apartment in North Fond du Lac when I moved back. But I did not go to North. I was not an Oriel. I was a Cardinal.
Um I slept in a bar bathroom in Fond du Lac once. Which one? I don't remember. It was like 2003. Shut up, Tom.
Don't even say it. I didn't say anything. I did not say anything. I, uh, Sat down on the stall to take a little nap. I was out.
They were doing their cleaning. They must have thought the bathroom was done, or they just don't clean their bathroom. But I woke up at about four in the morning. I was in a bar. Had no idea what was going on.
And uh Had to call the police to get let out of a bar at 4 o'clock in the morning. How are you not from Cudahy, Drew? Like, that's blew the breathalyzer and came up. Triple zeros. Lots of calves.
Yeah. That's pretty accurate. Locked on calves. Locked on calves. Was that one of your better nights of sleep back then?
Probably. Hell, that was one of the better nights of sleep I've ever had. I was drunk once. Yeah. Yeah.
But where I came to. was looking in a bathroom mirror. Like I was at the bar. And then I must have browned out or blacked out or whatever. And then the next thing I knew, I was in my friend's apartment.
looking in the bathroom mirror. And I just I remember just being like. Ha! I was so like more. I didn't know what happened.
I didn't know why I was looking at myself. I didn't know it was a mirror at first. I thought it was. I didn't know what the fuck was going on. When I was living in Oshkosh, this is early 2000s.
I got liquored up one night, but fierce, went to an after party, did all the things. Woke up the next morning on a front step that wasn't mine. missing a left shoe. And uh I called my sister, who was a freshman at Oshkosh at the time, and I'd let her have my car on the week. I was like, you need to.
You need to come pick me up. I say, I thought. And I explained to her that I ended up on the other side of Lake Winnebago. And she's like, how did you get over there?
So I don't know. I walked over the bridge. What do you see? I see trees. Whatever.
Five the two streets.
Okay. Wait there. Nine minutes later. Pulls up. I was literally like.
Basically, around the corner, a mile from my house.
Well, there's a menu slept in someone's yard. In Brewers baseball with that, Drew, I think, is they're so they're drunk as hell after losing and being partying so hard after being the Chicago Cubs that they think. To get to a World Series. They're across Lake Winnebago when they're just around the corner right now on Twitter. Here, Drew.
People are. Furious that Freddie Brault is gone. All they had to do was keep him in their eyes. And no one else, there was never gonna be a move for Freddy Peralta that helped the 2026 roster. But They also have, I mean, who's to say that this salary cash.
Professional pivot by Tommy Wordsbury. Thank you. Yeah, I was really those broadcasting classes are really paying off. I've been watching a lot of Winklerverse, and I was going to start something, and if it wasn't going to hit, I was going to find another one while saying the other one. Where are your hands right now?
That's what I want to know. Right here.
Okay. We got them. I got him. But seriously, with this Brewers team. Like If they don't go anywhere else.
After this, like they're just trying to set themselves up for after the lockout, they're going to have control. They have to control these guys for five years on some of the things. Is that what we're is that the take? Like, you're not going to win in 2026 anyway, set up for a lockout? Is that the take?
Maybe. I think so. I think so. Like, what if they just have control of all these young guys and then there's a salary cap and then they're just going to be the team that can pay them the most money anyway at the end of this? Because they're not going to win in this current structure.
No, no, never. This I disagree with that. I disagree with that. I mean, last year was a great example. Last year was the early.
We ran into absolutely. They ran into the ship that's ruined the whole thing. Yeah, but you would guess that. And the Brewers beat the living hell out of them. Six, or they didn't run up.
When they were pitching Emmett Sheehan, not they pounded, they pounded Yamamoto. They have a modo. Glasnow destroyed him in the regular season, though, too, when he came back. He hadn't pitched in months, and then he came back and threw six, one hit, or whatever it was. They went 6-0 against him in their regular season.
Yep. Obviously, the Brewers can hang with the Dodgers. They hit them at the absolute worst possible time. When you've got good pitchers that just hit that zone. I mean, listen, the Dodgers lost to the Brewers six times.
You don't think they were going over every single pitch of every single game, trying to find a way to shut the offense down and to dominate? And again, it's not like the Dodgers ran up the score. The Brewers held their own pitching, they just couldn't hit Otani. And they could hit Yamamoto. And you put together a couple games like that.
All right.
You're going to get into a funk. I don't think the Brewers losing to the Dodgers in the NLCS is some sort of indication that, oh, small market teams can't win. I mean, hell, the Dodgers were outscored in the World Series. I don't know, man. Like, Shohail Tani Single-handedly beat the Bruce.
Yes, he struck only one and hit three homers. We'll never see that again. Exactly.
So it took a historic event. In one of the games. Like yeah, it stings. The Dodgers have a ridiculous advantage, but That does not mean that. Listen, the Yankees weren't in the World Series last year.
They weren't. They destroyed the Brewers those first three games. The Brewers finished with a better record than them. The Yankees have a superstar themselves, and they aren't judged. Who else do they have over there?
Isn't Ballinger's back? Bellinger's back. It just, what's the Latin phrase? Post hoc ergo propter hoc. I can't remember how it is translated.
Look it up. That's not. That's not right. It is. Post hoc.
You have something in your throat, Andrew. No, Drew, Drew, this is the same conversation we have with the Packers now. It's settling for complacency. Like What do you mean? I settled for it.
I have settled for it as a Brewers fan. As a Packers fan, I can't get my head to wrap around it because everyone has the same money and they print money in Lambeau. But the Brewers settle for genius, Matt LaFleur for the long term. You guys are in good shape. Thanks.
Yeah, let me let me read some of these. I do wonder how much. Packers, Brewers comparing, there will be. Like out of this and tomorrow. I don't They are apples to wrenches, as I say.
I don't think you can compare these things. Wait till Malik Willis goes to Miami, and then it's. The GM of the Mets bringing all his guys over to New York, and then the GM of Miami bringing all his guys down to Miami. Jeff Hafley is going to be the first coach fired.
Okay. Yeah. Well, go ahead. Have they hired a replacement yet for him? No, they interviewed Al Harris.
Some other guy. Oh, James. James mom Worked at WIXX in the 80s and 90s. I didn't listen to her. I did grow up on WIXX, though, out of Green Bay, top nine at nine.
They had Otis Day and then they had Ben LeMay. which is I always found was weird. Um at the top nine at nine. Um At least anyone ever wake up in a Denny's in the Dells? No, but I stole two of their, I stole two of their floor mats with the Denny's logo on it from the lobby.
I stole a giant American flag from Pharaohs in Fonduac once. Oh, I know where that is. Yeah, I still have it. I have a lot of good stories that ended up at Denny's and the Dell's. Also, the old country kitchen.
I just took the flagpole and I go. Yeah. And I folded it up nice. After the steal. Ben says it's the impossible equation.
It's an unfair system. You can keep trying, but more money will just flow for the Dodgers. Listen, there are more examples of teams that have. Spent ass over tea kettle. and not won a damn thing than there are the Dodgers the last two years.
I mean, remember, the story about the Dodgers going into last year was. Their playoff chokers and their only World Series was COVID, so it was Mickey Mouse. And people shit on him all the time for spending a ton of money, having nothing to show for it. We saw the Mets spend half a billion dollars in. have to blow their team up.
Speaking of blowing their team up, some Dumba Peter Bukowski. said the Brewers blew their team up. Stick to blogging about the I love Peter. I don't know what the fuck he's talking about. Pete's a man.
I don't know what he is talking about tonight.
Well, he's trying to compare the two things. They're not. I don't think they're comparable. No, I like it. And that's what I'm at at the Packers.
They are acting like this. Right, right. They are acting like this. They are acting like they need a winning record every year to keep fans in the stands. They're acting like You know, the balance Or the budget, the bad, like it's in, it's in question.
Like, oh, are we going to be in the green this year? They're acting like that. I I I did not have an opinion on LaFleur. Although I enjoyed you just shitting on the fan base, it was beautiful. No, I hate him, though.
Chef's kiss until Buffalo fired McDermott, whatever the hell his name is. And I was like. If Buffalo is going to shit can their guy after falling short in the playoffs. What the hell are the Packers doing? And I think I said this to Bart.
This is for all I joke about, it starts with ownership. This is one of the times where it's shitty to not have an actual owner. Because Yeah, but I could argue that McDermott should still have a job and LaFleur shouldn't. McDermott tumbled that game away. Yeah.
The GM, you see all this stuff, like. They're like, how many playoff games away? And then there's all these clips that he wanted, Keon Coleman. Yeah, that's a disaster.
Well, if you missed yesterday's, Paul Ibig broke it down pretty great yesterday, where, yeah, I think that it's very comparable to the Ravens and the Bills situation. And two of the three of those guys are gone. Yeah, but we unless unless it's being broadcast on Sirius XM's Outlaw Country, I ain't listening to it, Tommy. What the fuck? Right, man.
I was just looking out for the bro. My kid opened my, so my kid loves YouTube like any kid. But he's not just watching Brain Rot.
So today he watches like. This guy plays video games and he takes the country And then, like, he spins a wheel, and the Packers play the Bears in Madden, and whoever wins, it's like sports imperialism, really.
So he's watching all this sports stuff and he loves YouTube. And then he opened my YouTube app on my phone and he saw. I don't know if you guys know this, I did an interview with Caleb Durbin. Oh. But he saw me on it.
And he goes, you're on YouTube. And I go, kid, I've tried to tell you a thousand times you can pull me up on YouTube. And then I go, probably after this Bucs game. I'm going to go be on YouTube again tonight. And he's like Huh?
And I'm like, I'm going to. Broadcast on YouTube. That's my job now. He's like, Well, what was your old job? I said I was at 150 radio stations across the country.
And he's like, do you so Do more people have you now? And I'm like No, son. Did he say vessel at all during that? He did not say vessel. He he's a Nazi.
Last I'm gonna wrap this up. Last parting thoughts? Weggs? The Bucks are horseshit. Oh god.
That's uh I think they trade Yannis? Yeah. How else are you going to? Stalvage your franchise. I I'm all into d tr just kick John Morant's ass it up here.
I don't care. God He at least like gives a shit. There's a gun rage right by my place out here you can go visit. I mean, he's the guy that like brought the gun, right? Yeah, only did the Instagram.
Yeah. And then Scover's like, fuck you. And then. His celebrations for like the next two weeks were bang, bang, bing, bing, boom, boom. Trolling.
I love it. Like like Freg Console. Did he get booed at least? No way they showed him on the Jumbotron. No way they showed him.
If they showed Craig on the Jumbotron, like raise to who. Do you see Grodsky fighting with Grok? Yeah. Yeah. What?
Yeah, hold on. I'll pull it up.
Someone needs to create the Scott Grocksky burner Twitter account. I'm on it. I'm on it. Uh somebody said at Grok What was the reaction from the Bucks crowd when they showed Murphy and Counsel? Grok.
From reports on X Attendees say the Brewers or the Bucks crowd booed Pat Murphy. In response to the recent Freddy Peralta trade. No video confirmation yet. But reactions describe it as loud and widespread. And Garazi's like.
This is 100% or 1000% wrong. He's like fighting Grog. Grovsky versus Grok. I Scott was asking. I was.
You son of a bitch. He's eight foot. Ten! I gave you pounds! I did hear from Mitch that They showed him right after the news broke.
They showed Pat Murphy right after. Did he even know? Two minutes after the news broke, like the stadium knew it happened, and then they showed Pat Murphy. He said it was weird. Because the Bucks don't just suck, they're also dicks.
I wonder if Murphy knew at the time. He had to have, right? You would think that he knew something was happening. I mean, we all knew this deal was being negotiated earlier in the day. Yeah.
I want to know who the jackass is that. Is probably patting themselves on the back right now and thinking that they're hot shit for coming up with the frozen sausage tour. Maybe. Why don't we have a fan event anymore? Yeah, they haven't had it since 2020.
Yeah, and then 2021 was the excuse, was the COVID, yep. Yep. The thing that fan event people like Way more many people go there than you would think would act. You would think a lot of people, and it's still way more like. It was packed.
Oh, yeah. I was an intern at the last expo one. It was a hell of an event. I mean, I was always stuck in the basement just transcribing the whole day. It's like the worst day of the year for the beat guys because literally all it is is: all right, here's one guy, here's the next guy, here's the next guy.
And like, we'd all take turns, and you're basically transcribing for eight hours the whole day. As much as I hate fans. Like, and hate their happiness. Like, it seems like they were a lot of them, they spent a shitload of money. And isn't that what the brewers are all about?
Here do did you did you meet this guy the one year I met, uh, Cletus? God, I thought that was going to be a picture of Caleb. Is that the stupid fox robot? Yeah, he was there one year. They still use that thing.
What is my What does my on deck say? I can't see the year. Fat Eddie995 says Winkler is an animal. Oh, hell yeah, he is. You're damn right, Eddie.
Okay. Why don't we go on boozing again, Bart? I don't know that I'm going to be doing that for a while again. I gotta live the THC life for a while. Mm-mm-mm.
I got to go visit your friends at Happy Place Hemp.
Well, let them know the promo code's BART for 25% off. I will do that. I will do that. And then, in the meantime, legalize it for Christ's sake. Tommy, you're going to be talking about this, I'm sure, on the Mason Crosby show.
Yeah, I'm sure it'll get brought up tomorrow at some point. I just actually, we just had our. Hot stove show talking about it the first hour all week today. I I still I don't know if I feel that hurt about it. I just think that the brewers are not.
I'm not bothered by it at all. Yeah, I think Woodruff, I do want to say that there was a little bit of like national media drive to this Freddy Peralta trade, where it was like the brewers are spending $30 million now on Freddy Peralta and Brandon Woodruff. And my like, I couldn't get past the thought of What a steal for Brandon Woodruff and Freddy Peralta. I mean, like, how much money is Scoobel going to make on his next contract? It's got to be $50 million a year, right?
Just for him. I mean, they got Zach Wheeler who's making $42 million a year on just his deal. The Brewers, while Freddy Peralta is their ace and not an ace, he's a very good pitcher. And Brandon Woodruff, I expect to be when he's healthy, out there and being productive too. And I think the Brewers have faith in that by giving him the qualifying offers.
What did Dylan Cease get with Toronto? He got 30 million a year.
So, yeah, it's because he was seven years, 210, right? I just. I couldn't get past the This is so much money for the brewers to spend when It realistically had to be a steal on the adjusted value of what they actually were worth. I just need to say one quick thing 'cause I'm I just have to say it to someone and you work there, Tommy. Uh oh, God, I'm not sure.
You're gonna get me fired by saying it too? It's fucking well we don't want to be the only ones No, this Yeah. The lady or the AI, whoever does like the promo, like. That's a hot voice. I hate this.
That's hot fucking shit. I'm so mad. I hate it. That's the only reason why we're going to be able to go along. You're going to be running 30-second promos tomorrow that say, dude, Freddie started by the Brewers to David Stern.
And it's just like your boss was to get me started. It's John Kuhn already. Yeah, I uh I'm well aware of the promo situation. I've tried that battle. I've lost.
And Sparky, one day, if he does fall out of love with his wife, it'll be for a promo and a rundown. I always say. But I wish him nothing but the best and that that never happened. Is that AI chick or is that a real chick? I remember she's a Toronto, which makes me love her even more.
Yeah, she's yeah, she's Canadian. I remember that. Yeah. Hope she's a Leafs fan. I won't be the only one.
I want to know. I don't know because some of these other sports stations that have like Are there any left? We're talking. Like, you have the deepest, groveliest voice of a guy. And then You guys have this like chick that's flirting with you.
You should just be like. Hey, what's up, guys? We're talking Brewers Baseball. I'm the fan. Hey, just a couple of guys being dudes on the network here.
Come on. Yeah. Let's just be all. You know, the Brewers aren't going to win. The Packers don't care.
The Bucs? Nah. Like I heard one promo in the car the other day it was as long as a segment. I tuned in the other day. I heard Journey.
I threw something at my car stereo and I turned off the radio. Yeah, wow. Yeah, he texted me when Journey played. He like. I don't know what to do, Drew.
I can't help it. Can we admit horse might be the worst GM?
Well. Here's what I don't get, and I maybe Bart can help me understand this. Like I see people shit on horse all the time. But, like, what can he actually do, especially when? He's not calling all the shots.
I mean, you know, most of the time. His only job is Kejian here. That's his job. Yeah. I don't think, yeah, I think he's actually probably one of the better execution GPs.
He has no money to work with, no draft picks to work with. Like what what what could I could be the books GM. It's the thought that counts with John Horace for me. It's just always like, what do you want this guy to do over the last five years to make Giannis happy? Like, he's done everything he can, and the guy's still pissed off.
I like when he trades or signs guys to shitty contracts and then like trades them, and we're all like, horse did it again.
Well, maybe don't sign fucking Matthew Delavadova, dude. I forgot about that. I love being a coffee lot in pre-season. That's what I love. Matthew Delavidova, and I remember everyone was losing their shit out of what a big deal it was.
Who was the other guy? Uh, they got him when they had Jace the Kid, Greg Monroe. And he was like the be-all end-all. And he was just dog shit and like came off the bench. Greg Monroe is quickly like Miles Turner-esque right now.
Like, it's like, at least I was talking to Bart about this. At least with those Bucks teams, they sucked, and you're like, hey, it's okay. They're going to get better. They're going to be shitty. They're going to end up with a good draft pick in the lottery.
And, like, You don't even have that now. You can't even tank. Because the The next time the Bucs controlled their own draft pick. The next president will be launching his or her reelection campaign. That's how far off it is that the Bucs control their own draft pick.
So like, there's no hope. You you can't rebuild through the draft because you have nothing. You tank out and get a top pick. It's getting traded or swapped. They're screwed.
They're totally screwed and it's kind of hilarious. Yeah. This fucking sucks. That's why I just root for the Sabers and the Dock Spiders now. Those are my teams.
I was going to put my Oklahoma hat on. Andrew Wagner, Tommy Wertz. Guys, thank you both for being here. Yeah, brother, let's do it again. I enjoy bitching about the world with you.
We're like the old men from the Muppet Show. Yeah. Thank you all. For stopping in two. The Winkler Verse.
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