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Selection varies by location while supplies last. Good afternoon. Everybody, welcome into the Winklerverse. I'm Bart Winkler. It's time for our weekly rendition.
Of mm-hmm mm-mm. Alongside me today, I have grant bills. of the Wisco Sports Show. And Paul Imig of friendship. Yeah.
Hello, do you guys? Good you? Mm. Oh good. I um wait, can I say, is it just me or when you hear the word rendition is the only thing you think of take me out to the ball game?
When I just said rendition, I was like, this word sucks. But you can I feel like when you said the latest rendition, and I finished your sentence in my head of take me out to the ball game, because that's the only way in which I've ever heard rendition used. Go ahead. Let me type in Google latest rendition of. Yes.
I always hear it a rousing rendition. I always hear it paired with that other word. But you got Jericho. When I'm typing in latest rendition of in the search bar, it just automatically goes to latest version of. Interesting.
Tim. All right. We are recording this. One hour prior to trade deadline.
So if there is a pack or tray to be had. Then Tim will be editing a lot of how this is pieced together. Yeah, Tim. If not, like I'm not going to do a 50 minute interview and then the Packers trade for Well, who are they going to trade for that it's not like... Like if they trade for somebody that...
Oh, they got like this bears, get the bears traded for some guy who's got like no tackles or no sacks, no tackles, no laws. He's just like, he hasn't done anything. I kind of like that for them. I thought that was a s a sneaky uh Nice little move.
Well what about with what about when Jordan Levis traded in the next hour? For Kyler Murray? Mm-hmm, straight up. Yeah. And Malik Fertua.
And Tua, yeah. The Dolphins would improve in that. You know what? I actually think they would.
So, I've been posting some of these Matt LaFleur takes I've had. About how I think he is bad at coaching. I figured you'd start here and I do of course feel like we should start with a the floor topic but if you want to Do your thing first, go for it.
Well, I feel like um I feel like I have to evolve. Not onto the floor topic. I think he sucks. I don't even like him as a person. Same.
Um But I have to, I've come to the realization that I am just one man. And Not that I've ever thought I've had this large platform. But I foolishly have thought that I could be a change agent. I thought that I could be somebody who could. Help.
Encourage and motivate. People to stand. In Brewers' playoff games. a topic which I've mysteriously just dropped altogether. Yeah.
Tim? And then because I can't change that. And then there's a particular brand of a Packer fan that I'm really. really struggling with seeing In the comments. As it were.
And I'm getting so many comments on these Facebook videos. A lot of them are Podcast equipment is too expensive. Because people are not down with my Matt LaFleur bashing. Um r okay, p can I interrupt and ask my topic? Because I I think it's gonna perfectly hit on it.
Really, I promise you. Sure. I'm surprised what you're saying is leading me to think you're going to give a different answer than what I expected. For the first time in his Packers' tenure, Matt LaFleur's approval rating dropped below 50% with Packers fans. Mm-hmm.
Or mm-mm. I thought I'm in a group chat with my dad and his buddies. it's a it's a a different view into like, you know, folks you might not normally. And they've been sending around your videos, Bart, and Grant's tweets. I'm like, this is wild.
Way to go, guys. But I thought the answer to this question was mm-hmm. Yeah. This is the first time in seven years LeFleur's approval rating, as it were, has dropped below 50%. But if you're getting the pushback that now you're implying that you're getting Maybe it hasn't?
So now go ahead. And you can answer my question, but also go forth. I don't think it's below 50% at all. That's nuts. I don't uh no no so I've o I've often got the um Well, if you fire him now, who are you gonna replace him with?
Not my job. Does that necessarily mean, though, that they like the job he's doing and would approve of the job he's doing? Yeah. Um also the Malvin Fu got fired, he'd be hired in three seconds. But you're still getting that, even after Sunday?
The one I'm getting the most. That I just, and this is why I have to evolve and I have to change, I'm not going to change. this type of fan. And this type of fan exists in all. With all teams.
Not just Packers. I think it might be higher with Packers. because of how much people identify with the Packers in the state. Yeah. But there are certain Packer fans that will not Criticize In any way, and think that other people criticizing means they're not real Packer fans, and think if they criticize like.
There's going to be Packer police that come into their home, take away all their different Packer memorabilia, and say, You are banned from watching these games. Make sure you don't get the channels. You'll never get a ticket. If you criticize the Packers, you are done being a Packer fan. That's not carrying the G.
No, and the thing that I keep getting. In this particular week, is Guys, they're 5-2 and 1. The Packers are 5-2-1. A lot of it is Matt LaFleur's record. In the regular season, which I know is good.
And I'll say, okay, well, which of your playoff choke jobs was your favorite then?
Okay, and then when it's five, two, and one Last week they were saying. Bart, come on, the Packers are the one seed. This week it's oh they're five two and one Next week it's going to be Oh, were they in a playoff spot? Like this kind of Willingness and eagerness to not take any criticism, it is so infuriating. I can't change it.
I just don't understand why. We can't see the forest from the trees here. I know they're 5-2 and 1. I know he's been good in the regular season. But look at this regular season, and I don't think the Packers are going to go undefeated every year.
The way they're losing. Is horrendous because they are playing a different game than the team should be playing. I was reading an article today, I think it was on ESPN. Maybe Barnwell, somebody. About um How the Packers offense is built for Long shot plays.
You have a quarterback that can do it. You drafted a receiver. To do it? Like These 15-play, 75-yard, eight-minute drives. That's what teams are trying to do against you.
That's what the Panthers did against you. You're supposed to Like... Be quick hitters, score 35 points a game. Not that you can't do it if the moment calls for it, but There just seems to be this reluctance from LaFleur to call the game. Around the team that he has.
And it does seem like, and I talked about this Sunday. He is more prone on trying to win a certain way. Like, he wants to run the football, he wants to have short passes. He wants to win, but he wants to win the way he wants to win and not just, oh, we won. And I don't know why.
Does he not like embarrassing other coaches? Does he not. Think that I don't know why. My gripe is there's a certain level of fan that I don't belong to. And my real gripe is, I've realized now I can't do anything to change it.
I do feel. More people have an approval rating. positively of LaFleur than negatively If for no other reason, then they can't imagine themselves criticizing the coach of the Green Bay Packers. Yeah. Grant, I want you to answer from your perspective.
Unless it's Ray Rhodes. That was a long experiment, too. Grant, I want you to answer, but all I would say is, I think that once. And not that most Packers fans, those who might keep his approval, I said a lot of facial work in this episode. On mute, but doing work on the mute with the facial expressions.
On the Dan Shaney YouTube stream. Not that most, not that every Packers fan, or even probably half, are on the type of social media where they would see. What Greg Olson has said. But I thought Greg Olson sang In a very professional way in a in a constructive way Matt LaFleurs did a terrible job. That's what Greg Olson has been saying.
And I watched him the next morning. He was on that barstool show. Great, you're saying Greg Olson. Yeah. And he was saying the same stuff.
He's just like, I can't. That's what I'm saying.
So, like, again, not that that is gonna necessarily influence average Packer fan. But it's going to slowly trickle. And I think, Bart, you went from like an island. Of yourself and 5% of Packers fans, or maybe less than 5%, who, when you were trashing LaFleur earlier in the season and previously years too, you were really. mostly alone.
You were in like the 5%. I thought the tide changed to the point where obviously I asked the question, but Grant, what is your read? For the first time in Matt LaFleur's tenure in Green Bay, His approval rating has dropped below 50% with Packers fans. I think if you were to ask people on Sunday, mm-hmm. I think if you ask people today.
two or three days later, you know. a week later. It would probably Revert a little bit farther back. I think the The anti-LaFleur crowd is a really loud one. Like, I don't think the people who still like LaFleur and think he's good are screaming and yelling about it.
Like maybe the other half is.
So that matters. Although I know like on Bill's show, like a lot of people don't like LaFleur and they're loud about it. Really loud. And then, you know, I think our morning show's probably pretty similar. My show's probably a little bit more down the middle.
I think the anti-LaFleur people are a lot louder, but I do think it's closer than 50-50 than ever before. I think the Dallas game and the Carolina game. Really play into that. And you're right, like Greg Olson on the broadcast multiple times, like going into halftime, like, why are they running? Yeah.
Like he was. You know Openly confused with some of the things that they were doing. I also think, like, I'll give the perspective on Sunday a little bit, like, I think their whole line might kind of stink. And by the end of the game, they had no Kraft, no Golden, no Watson. Wicks was already missing.
And I think Matt LaFleur probably looks around and is like, okay, well, what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to drop Jordan Love back 15 steps and let him cork deep shots down the Down the seam to Malik Heath. Or are we going to try to matriculate the ball down the field, which is what defenses are forcing them to do anyway?
So, yeah, I didn't love the way the game looked. My my biggest complaint about LaFleur is that, like, It was very clear that they understood how Carolina was going to play them. Like Matt LaFleur said it multiple times. Pam Oliver coming out of halftime, is like, I just talked with Matt LaFleur. He said that this is exactly what they expected.
I'm like, well, they're down seven to six at halftime and looked mostly crap. Like, if they expected this new was coming, they didn't. They didn't handle it very well. I just thought top to bottom. They looked outsmarted.
and out prepared and out schemed. Like on the biggest of big levels. And that concerns me if my team is supposed to be a Super Bowl team. The other one. The other one.
The other one I can't stand.
Okay. I'm sorry, Bart. Was it Matt LaFleur that fumbled? Yeah. Was it Matt LaFleur that threw into triple coverage?
Was it Matt? Cr how can you commend a coach when his players play well and then not also blame him when they don't. I think a lot of it's on coaching. In the moment, I blame LaFleur for the Tucker Kraft injury. Because he was so dead set on running the football.
That Tucker Kraft got hurt. Yeah. I also, speaking of ridiculous takes, if I had any sort of an audience. That, like, some of these other people have. I said last night on my national radio show, which I have, and it is.
The biggest secret in the world. I mean, I I put in these reels out and people are like, Hey, I wish you were on Milwaukee Radio still. I wish I could hear you in Milwaukee. I mean, you can four hours a night for the last two years. Mm-hmm.
And who knows how long? I cross my fingers. Um I said uh And I prefaced it with this is ridiculous, but. I said I think if Matt LaFleur was an uglier dude, he would be fired by now. Thoughts?
I think he would be less popular. You don't have to answer that. I think you'd be less popular. I don't mean so. I think he'd be less popular.
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I think a lot of I think a big part of why a lot of Packers fans don't like him is because he combs his hair and he has a bad space. Of course, it goes both ways. Yes. And that always perfect fade he's got. For what it's worth, I'm one of those people, Grant.
And I just don't trust him. I just don't trust him. Where it goes both ways. It's like He's overly emotional, right? He needs to tone it down.
It's like, okay. And then I also hear, I never see him get in a player's face. It's like I saw him yell at Kingsley and Igbari as hard as I've seen, with the exception of Jonathan Gannon literally hitting his guy. Like, that's as mad as I've openly seen a player and a coach. Like, so I think people just And fan is short for a fanatic, after all.
I think sometimes people just kind of. Pick and choose and Just remember and focus on the things they want to pick and choose and focus and remember. I do I I do think he's too emotional. And uh Pete Doherty said that on Bill's show today, and I'm going to cut that sound in plane. I'm like, okay, if he says that, I.
I think there's something to that. Like if Pete. He says he's an emotional guy. Interesting. Play, take after their head coach.
And he cited that early Savion Williams fumble. He's like, it's been a common theme in his tenure. Where an early mistake knocks them off track and they really can't recover. Yeah. But not emotional in a good way, like unhinged emotion.
That's not Pete saying he cries on the sideline. That's saying he gets worked up about things and his team gets worked up about things.
Well, and then he's going, again, it is. impossible I think for the human, for the vast majority of humans, when you're emotional or you're unhinged, it. you're not going to make the same decisions. In the same way, with the same crispness, in the heat of the moment. You're just not.
Because he comes into these games expecting to like... He comes into these games like he's ice skating on. You know, thin ice, I guess. Or like he's walking over a bridge that's rickety. Like he's just trying not to, he's trying to survive.
He's trying to, he wants to win, but he's not trying. Trying to win all these games by three points. I just don't, I don't like him. I I know. I n we know.
Yes. Correct. But I want him to know. Grant, do you? I mean, maybe you don't care.
I was going to ask you a question. I don't think you care about it. Do you like him, Grant? I don't think you care about the answer to that. I love these questions that aren't like it's this Jiminy, like Jiminy Glick had a skit where he's like, What's John Voigt so angry about?
I don't need an answer. And then he just flips the page and moves on to the next one. Like, I love the question that doesn't need the answer. Bart taught his callers this week about what rhetorical means. I heard that.
Some of the guys, I have a rhetorical question. If you could answer, please. I'm really so indifferent on Matt LaFleur, the person. I think if a coach is winning. I'm like, yeah, I really like what that guy's saying.
And if they're losing. They find a way to annoy you. And I think that's true of every person. Size, weight, height, hair, creed, race. I don't think it matters.
So, don't you? Here's the thing: like, I think when I'm going to miss it. You might look up his address and send him junk mail. Yeah. I think when we I would say this from the outside looking in of Buffalo.
If the Bills don't make the Super Bowl. I don't think any Packers fan. who also observes the NFL, will be surprised when Sean McDermott is not brought back. if the Bills don't make the Super Bowl. I that's what I believe.
I think there'd be one one too many times where you've been that close. and the one guy couldn't get you there. Is it McDermott's fault? Don't know. But you can't lose to the Chiefs again in the playoffs after beating them in the regular season.
You can't. Five years in a row. You just can't do it. You just can't do it. You'd have to do something different.
Even if you're like, I don't think this is McDermott's fault. I think you just kind of have to at that point. But yet, I think when we look at the Packers with McFleur, not that it's an identical situation as McDermott with Buffalo, but I think it's like, well, of course, he'll be back. The seat's not nearly hot enough to consider not being back. And the thing that keeps popping into my head is.
And we've talked about this. Ed policy is not going to let LaFleur go into a lame duck season. And also, if LaFleur is not re-signed this upcoming offseason, LeFleur is a lame duck. which Ed Policy isn't for.
So this is literally The last chance this season is the last chance for he's in a contract year, he is in his own. Version, I guess, of the lame duck season because he's gonna do well enough To get re-signed for four, five, six years. That's your typical NFL head coach contract extension amount or length. Or he's going to be a lame duck, at which point he'll be fired. And I just don't know what the excuse would be.
Short of a Jordan Love injury. or a Micah Parsons injury or something else. that you could be like justifying in January if they lost before The Super Bowl. I just don't. I mean, like the Eagles are bad.
They gotta go to the Super Bowl. They gotta. I'm sorry. I just don't. NFC Championship is not enough.
Like, what are you for? If you lose in a last-second field, he drafted Jordan Love. Like, he's been, this is his guy. He's developed for six years, and he doesn't trust him. Then you don't trust yourself.
And that's a problem. Matt LeFleur does not have confidence in himself. I think you said this on your post-game show, Bart. You said, um. When LaFleur was running the offense in Tennessee and had Derrick Henry, he didn't run the ball enough.
Now he has a shitty running game. And runs the ball too much. It's Doesn't Makes sense. Not like he's always been this. Run first guy.
He had 24-year-old Derrick Henry and like kind of, yeah, let's let's throw it around the field. When is he gonna do the McCarthy desperate move of giving up play calling and taking it back two weeks later? When are we doing that? I have no interest in that ever happening. You shouldn't either.
Really? No. You know how many, you know how upset?
Okay, I don't get upset. Do you know how far my eyes roll back into my head when I see a link to a story at a Packers blog? Is it time for Matt LaFleur to give up play calling? Yeah, they give up play calling. I mean, Matt LaFleur just needs to call better plays.
Yeah, it's like play calling. I'm not, I don't like doing that either. That's when I see like. College coach gets two-game suspension for handing out pizzas and election day. I'm like, I do not fucking care.
I do not care. Here's what I'll push back. I mean, I was on the beat when McCarthy gave up play calling, and it was a big deal. Obviously, especially because I think he did it like in mid-December, if memory serves correctly. Tom Clemens?
Yes, to Tom Clements for Jeans Game. No, I think it was Edgar Bennett. Oh, actually, another good. Who was it? Anyway, regardless, Jim.
Right. Just tell us in her ear if you look it up. But that was a big deal. And I, and it's like if that's a drive-through. If that had, Grant, I think if that hadn't happened in recent Packers' history, I think we could dismiss the idea of a Packers play calling head coach giving up play calling as just a.
Bloggish fear thing, it's not. Who was the head coach last week who just gave up play calling? Um, Yeah, the second straight year. And so I don't He's also given up a lot. Like, all he does is punch in and punches off.
He's like the only coach in the NFL that actually works a nine-to-five. He's just like. How we doing in there?
Okay, good. All the wide receivers. All right. We take a long lunch. The idea of like, shut up this.
Should we play Shadu or don't you ever ask me that fucking question again? And I'm not, granted, I'm not proposing it, but I also don't think it's like a ridiculous throw that. idea aside Maybe it is for clicks. Maybe some people are using it for clicks. But again, in recent Packers' history, it has happened.
Well, 10 years ago, it was in the middle of a very bad season. I just, at that point, you're done. You're cooked. It's like. Should I hand off play calling?
Should I give my wife a hall pass? Like, it's the same, proverbially speaking, it's the same thing. Like, you don't come back from that. You could delay. You could feign, let's try this, but it's not, it's ending, it's ending.
So, honey, I know things have been a little stale. Remember my friend from college that you've always been attracted to? He's going to come over tonight. I'll sit in the corner chair and watch. They're a real good time.
But, Grant, so what you're saying, though, is then it's less about that he should or shouldn't, and more that he just won't. I just want to see you happy, honey. That's what I'm looking for. Because it's bad for his Future. You want Adam Stenovich calling the plays?
I don't know. What's Matt LaFleur's best trait? How Convincing us that he's gonna fix things.
Okay, this is this is what do you think his best trade is. This is smarter than what I'd be able to give you.
So I would just relay what the smart Theolovskies and the Greg Olsons have said, which is the play design.
Some of the pre-planning Um Yeah, like when you put trips left, you know it's going to be a screen every single goddamn time. Right, Bart. Mute his mic. Um Tim. He's he schemes guys open really well.
I mean, I'm just gonna regurgitate the stuff that, like I said, Orlovsky and Greg Olson have said. That seems to be what the floor does well, whether or not. He then knows In the game setting, what to do with it.
So again, I'm not here to Mm-hmm. I think if the Packers don't make the Super Bowl, I think LaFleur is not back. unless it's like a last-second Eagles field goal type of thing. Because again, He's not going to do lame. This is not like a two to three year extension, Paul.
He's not going to get fired. See, but I don't agree with that. Again, I've. I'm not saying that one situation or two situations when I was covering the team make everything absolute. But McCarthy and coaches like that and now the floor in the situation.
They don't They're not okay with like the, oh, just give me a two-year extension. We'll call it. They don't, that's usually not agreed upon. It's usually like, I want the four to six extra years. Why should Matt LaFleur care?
If he lost his job, he'd be hired in three seconds. Three seconds. Why is that always the? It's like a random Tuesday in July, and you can even pick up the phone and dial the number in three fucking seconds. It's not true.
It's never been true. It wasn't true of Regal. It wasn't true of McCarthy. Yeah, Vrabel had to go. I saw Vrabel in the Cleveland airport once, and I was like, who the fuck is this guy?
He looks familiar. And then I looked up Mike Vrabel and he's like, Then a coaching assistant for Cleveland for a year. I also am still not convinced that Mike Vrable is this great coach. I think he just has Drake May now, but that's, I guess, secondary. Does Rabel call the defense?
I don't know. I just learned Mike McDonald does. For Seattle. The singer? Not Michael Donald.
Um So real quick, to tie a bow on the question, Grant, where is LaFleur's Packers fan approval rating right now? I would say 55, 45, 60, 40, something like that. But again, the side that. Isn't approving is like, man, he Need to get a little better there. It's not like this guy is a moron and I hate his hair.
And if we don't fire him, like, I'm gonna lose my mind. Like, it's not bart. The other side is like. Has it really been good enough? You're gonna figure that out.
And then to that point. Let's then Well Grant, Bart, you answer first. Where's where's the Florida's approval rating right now? Among Packer fans specifically. Seventies?
Wow. I'm much closer to Grant's number. I think your Facebook pushback comments are Skewing you. I think Facebook is a fairly representative sample. What do you mean?
Just like your group chat with your uncle and brother. I don't even know why we're doing this pod. We have a perfectly good understanding of what people are saying. I don't know. I get, yeah, maybe not.
And so, so, Bart, let me ask you this then: based on your 70-30 thing. The floor is approval rating will never be below 50% with Packers fans until the day he's no longer the Packers coach. Essentially what I'm saying is at least 50% of the fan base will support him until the day they're told to stop supporting him. If you understand the premise of my thought. Yeah, I think he just always, I mean, I think he just gets the benefit of the doubt.
I think he gets the benefit of the doubt because he has had so much regular season success, which he has. And because half of it well, also it's only like half of the fan base in your They're going to support the Packers coach because that's their job to support the Packers coach, because he's the Packers coach. Yeah. And a lot of see because a lot of times You know, a lot of a lot of the people that watch the Packers Um I don't know what you're doing. I want to hear what I need to hear.
What you want to say, but feel that you can't. No, this would be from the producers of if you live in a town smaller than blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean? That's not. That's that's A lot of people that I'm thinking of fit that mold, but that's not my my thought.
I think. A lot of I'm gonna refer to them as this.
Okay, there's a new one. A lot of Packer fans in this state are what I'm going to call iceberg fans. Where they just see and care and know. The top that is presented to them. Interesting.
They are not. aware of any of the minutia in the day-to-day But they see the iceberg. They know the iceberg's there and they think they see everything. They don't know that there's more underneath. They love the Packers.
Like, their nicest shirt is Packers clothing. They go to the potlucks every Sunday. They wear the jerseys. They talk about it with their buddies. They've got the man cave that's decked out in Dorsey Levins apparel.
They love the Packers. They they it's going the wood. Packer Phantom's going to be in their obituary. It's a religion. They care about it so, so much.
But they also are very dense and don't understand All the rest that goes into the Packers.
So it's like They just know the frosting, they don't eat the cake.
Okay? These are Iceberg fans. Have you tested this out or is this new? This is another Bart Winkler off the cuff. This is his testing, right?
You think he's testing shit to bring to this podcast? This is where he tests. Ah, you're right. You're right. That's fair.
The only thing I'd say is. No, I don't. What do you guys think about Shohei Otani knowing more English than he's letting on? Conspiracy? He's guilty, right?
I heard that one on the national show, actually. Believe it or not, Grant, yes, that's actually something he did talk about. Um Actually, I I do. My actual number is 75. Wow, okay.
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What do we think about this? Much worse. It's not my Christmas stuff. I'm gonna ride it. Let's just play around with it.
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Okay, all right. That's the thing you try with your wife after you give her a hall pass, and then you, then you completely and totally call it. That's the football equivalent of firing the then she moves in with her sister. Yeah. All right.
A text. It's fine. What? I'm perfectly fine with it. I don't.
I think this is adds a whole world to this. I think you're just overestimating the extent to which it matters. What do you mean? I'm saying it's it's fine.
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I told you guys on Friday there was a Bucks topic I was really excited to ask you about. Four or five days later. Here we go. Um There's two parts, both of which involve the name Ryan Rollins. If Ryan Rollins is Austin Reeves.
The Bucs are a legit contender this year. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm. What if you asked us three weeks ago? Austin Reeves wasn't even Austin Reeves.
Fine. He was good. He wasn't 40 points a night good. No, but he was still like, you're going to say, oh, he's the third best player on a good team. Um If Ryan Rollins Is Austin Reeves?
The Bucks are a legit contender. Or There's a part B to this, but let's hit this one first. Mm-hmm. He's what they needed. Yes.
Even even look at the game against Indiana. And they have t the raptors on Wednesday night here or Tuesday night? Um So, this game or the Pistons, what am I talking about? Pacers? No, it's Toronto.
They just had Indiana.
Now they have Toronto. I would like to reference the game they played on Monday. Was that against the Indiana Pacers? It was. Yes.
Yeah, so It's the last possession of the game. And Giannis has the ball. Giannis is the ball carrier. Sure. Doc explained this after the game.
And he made the decision. And he took a shot. And he made it. And I know that he's. That's a shot that he's been working on for three years to try to make the game winner.
I'm glad it happened. But last year, Dame takes it up. And then what does Dame do? Dame drives? Damned it stuck.
Dame throws it to A.J. Green and he misses, or it's the playoffs, and they can't even inbound the. Fucking basketball. He missed his family. I know.
I know. But what you're speaking to is there's a real defined clarity this year in a way that maybe there wasn't last season. It's not about Ryan Rollins, which is a huge help. But this is about Yannis to me. And what he's able to do more of.
Now the game winner was awesome Also, did you see the way people were reading into his Miles Turner comments? No, I don't know if I saw the round. He was like, Miles Turner. Everyone's booing them. This guy was here 10 years.
He gave you his whole career up to this point. And sometimes in life, people make changes and they want to leave. And then they come back and you're just going to boo them. It's like, what was the whole point of that? Everyone's like I didn't think launch.
Soft launch. I did not think that nor see that suggested. That clip was really good. My favorite part of that clip was Giannis using camaraderie. For someone who likes doesn't speak English as a first language, like he rips it, and his accent just makes some of those words funny.
I'm not making fun of him, it's impressive, but. No, I I didn't think of that framing part. That's funny. I heard Shohei say that this was the favorite, most favorite rendition of a World Series he's ever played in. Yeah, well must be nice.
But yeah, Rollins, I mean, yes, he is. We didn't think he was. He's on a three-year, $12 million deal, and he's unbelievable. He's he's playing With all due respect. This last two weeks, very small sample size.
Sure. But don't you think if Dame came over and played like that in his first two weeks, he'd be a lot more excited? He missed his family. Yeah. I'm going to request a trade and then be angry about where I go.
And then go back to where you requested to leave. How much better the light is in this angle? It's a great part. Grant, if Ryan Rollins is Austin Reeves, the Bucks are a legit contender. Oh, mm-hmm.
It's just it's a matter of shot creation. It's a matter of shock creation because that's probably the thing they lack the most, especially without Kevin Porter Jr. Right, like Giannis can. Create and facilitate. Turner Turner can create some things, but not.
As much. He's going to space you more than he's going to like shot create. Yeah, and he can create a little, but not. Like, so AJ Green and Gary Trent Jr. Will be open when Giannis draws attention and can hit shots.
Trent was big in that in the closing minutes of the Pacers game. But, like, can another guy just break down the weakest defender on the floor and get to a little jumper? Right. And like, if Rollins can just do that, And that's kind of what Austin Reeves is, just like a shot creator, to the point now where when I listen to Nick Wright and Cowherd, they're like, man, when LeBron comes back, there's only one ball, Luca Reeves, and LeBron. Like, now he's entered that territory.
So. Yeah, he can be a A poor man's Austin Reeves, just a guy who can create some shots. Yeah, I don't know. Have you been blown away by the East so far this year?
Well, the other thing about the Bucks too is Like They Are obviously trying to make Gianna stay and Keep me honest here. But they have built a team that works around him. That's why the Nuggets were so good. They just built a team around Jokic. Like, what?
How do we maximize yokage? Get guys that will maximize yokage.
So with the honors. You need a center that can move. A little more. They got one in Miles Turner, which I still don't understand how a lot of people scoffed at that signing. That was.
Exactly what they needed. Exactly what they needed. You were always saying we need younger guys that can shoot the ball. Got it. We got that.
Yes. I mean Are they going to be good enough to win a title? You know, we will see. Um They got a lot better chance than I thought they did. In May These are the kind of I think a lot of times These are like the luck Things you fall into that, when you fall into them at the right moment, changes your trajectory.
And if you just have a series of where it's like, you just never quite like. You know, the biggest thing. But KBJ getting hurt to allow Rollins to have more time. And even that, right? Where last of the Indiana game, Rollins played 36 minutes.
I couldn't the idea that Kevin Porner Jr. has started his last game at point guard for the Bucs. Or he lost his job due to injury. And it's not, I think it's, I don't know how you move Rollins back to the bench. Um at this point, but it's like, what is amazing is sometimes When you only have A game, like a baseball, if you had a baseball player who you weren't expecting in Major League Baseball to he came out of nowhere.
Yeah, yeah. But well, think of a better, like a better player than that, but someone who it's like, goes from like We just signed him in the soft season with a three-year deal, and you know, he's probably going to be a backup we didn't exactly. And now he's like your third best player. That doesn't change a baseball team's trajectory because of how much more needs to happen. In the NBA, like that one guy where you suddenly out of thin air find your third best player or your you know whatever like that's it you know If he becomes Austin Reeves and he's your unquestioned third best player, who you were expecting to be your ninth best player.
Two weeks ago. That changes. Everything from a trajectory perspective. Here's question number two. The biggest factor of Giannis staying in Milwaukee for the next five years?
is the continued development of Ryan Rollins and A. J. Green. That is the biggest factor. If those guys go from, again, who's our guy that just said.
a week ago that Those are the two best value contracts now in the NBA. With Rollins on a 3-12 and A.J. Green on a 4-12. 40 or whatever it is. Um Their continued development, Greens and Rollins.
Is the biggest factor of Yanna staying in Milwaukee for the next five years. Did Paul freeze? Oh, I thought you guys did. Hi. No, you froze.
I'll go. Probably, Paul. Probably. Because who else? Yeah.
I mean, you could talk about the fit with Miles Turner. Maybe. Sure. Sure. I don't think I don't think.
Yeah. Giannis, they need to win for him to stay. I also think he's. But that's the point, though. It's like, if Rollins and Green are.
Third and fourth best players, and not just like third and fourth players on an okay team, but third and fourth best players on a championship team. They might have like lucked, sort of lucked. I mean, there's luck involved, right? They didn't draft them third overall. That's not luck.
They might have like kind of lucked their way into finding the third and fourth best players. And if they did, I just think it changes the entire thing. Go ahead. I'm going to write that down for my show, actually. What did you say, Bart?
They need to win for Giannis to stay. And this is the analysis. It really elevates.
Okay, continue. You fucking asshole.
Well, you go ahead. I don't think it matters.
What personnel moves they do. As long as they're winning. I also think That Yannis. Is going to leave. It's Pretty clear he's Setting it up for that.
In the next five years, though, I mean, again, that I was almost gonna be here. Johnny's will not be here in five years. Yeah, I'd bet against it. Five years? How old is he right now?
thir thirty or twenty nine? Oh, okay. Um Shit. He is thirty. He's 31 next month.
Giannis is going to finish his career in Europe. I was going to say, if he's still here in three years, what the fuck's the point? You know what I mean? Like, if he's not leaving this offseason and they have a good. two, three year window, like What what?
You're gonna go to Houston? But the the the what that's the thing is like you the East is so unbelievably weak right now. and winnable.
So magic though. I mean fuck. And the Hawks. These are the teams that are being sold to me. This is their year, I'm sure.
I believe that's the matchup on NBC tonight, I think, is Magic and Hawks. I'll be able to watch it with my antenna, actually, unlike any other sports product that's being carried these days. Oh, yeah. What's. I didn't realize this many people had YouTube TV.
I do. I would say the majority of people who own some sort of provider own YouTube TV. Direct TVs never let me down. I mean, I agree. I also am a Direct TV guy, but.
You have a dish? Yeah, but even when it rains now, you don't need a dish anymore, but when it rains, they're like, Oh shit, bad weather. Let's give you the internet feed. Oh, really? Yeah.
People are acting like it's a Like, oh, I can't get a dish. I got a big oak tree in the backyard. Oh, shocks. You get it on fucking internet just like your stupid ass fucking YouTube TV. Why would you want?
The dis version then. You don't need it anymore. I don't even think they install it anymore. Oh, I see. I don't have it.
But I do have it, and I'll never take it down because when people come to my house and drive by, I want them to know that I've been a loyal DirecTV customer for 20 years. Outside of when we first moved here, we took my wife's Spectrum account. I fucking hated it. We got rid of it after a month. Even when I worked at Charter, I got the free charter in my room.
Me and my roommates still paid for DirecTV. Wow. I would just like to point out I am both a DirecTV and a YouTube TV subscriber when it suits me for show purposes. Because saying that I have YouTube TV these days allows me to ingratiate myself with the masses. But saying I have direct TV, which I actually do, actually allows me to just tell everyone to get cable, which is what they should have done two or three years ago.
There's people who have Hulu Live TV, who are like, well, the Brewers will be back soon. You moron. You haven't been able to watch your teams for years and you're holding on for what? I saw somebody tweet like, because Adam Schefter was like, Hey, here's where you gotta go. Here's the website.
And someone's like, stop telling us what to do. Just give us the fucking channel. Yeah. Below me, buddy. I got one other question.
You guys anything else on Bucks? No. No, but did you see this article on Barstool since I already referenced them? Yes. Matt LaFleur is no balls.
I need to give up play calling. And look at that picture. There you go. See, it's not just us. You guys.
Are both petless individuals, yes? Correct. I we had a fish for four days and then nothing. I heard the fish story. That was sadder than I wanted it to be, the fish story that I heard you tell.
Where yeah, you just killed the fish. The ending of the story was: my son, we put it in the toilet. And he was like I'm sad about this fish. And he looked at it and he goes, Can I pee on it? Yeah.
I did not hear that part of it. Uh having said that Are you petless people? Uh You are with Tom Brady. Who cloned his dog? This is a good idea, and you will.
He owned his dog. You don't know this yet? This blew up this morning, probably while you were sleeping. He took blood from his. about to Die dog.
worked with a cloning company who then Cloned his dog with the blood of that pre-original dog died, and now he has the same dog question mark. I'll bring that up tonight. It's so I th I almost sent it to you guys and I'm I'm gonna save it for mm-hmm just in case Bart's behind on his on his Tom Brady news. To get your reaction, which I just got, but then the part two of it is like my first thought was like sending it to you guys. This is really gross, and I hate this.
And then I thought, as a dog owner, I I might. I might. Yeah. If you lose somebody, I might. I hate it.
I want to be against it. I think I'm in the wrong side of this by even saying the word might. But it's not It's not them. What makes someone who they are or what it is? But you're doing it for you.
It's not them. Even if. Even if I were to die and my wife would Well, she'd probably just be like, next. If she called me. It would just be doing that for her.
Okay. I wouldn't still be me anymore.
So, whatever I was. Is it different though when it's a pet? No. No? I mean, if you cloned a gerbil So Maybe.
Remember when Dolly got cloned, Paul, in like 96? The sheep? Yes. Yes. Didn't you think that was?
I thought in 10 years I was going to be seeing like seven versions of my friend Tony. Little did you know that you are. And you Right. I won the the cloning was. Like Boom.
Here's the biggest thing in the world. And two weeks later, it was like. Yeah. We're good.
Next. What? The Santa Claus Three. Brought cloning into the mainstream, too. Don't forget about the Tim Allen Seneca.
Some of these face masks you can put on now. That was two, you Tim Allen casual. Three was the Jack Frost one. The Jack Frost. You're right.
I'm sorry. With Anti Clause 2. That was when it was a hot top. And honestly, I'm sure that that was part of the storyline because. The sheep had just been cloned.
Santa Claus 2, the escape clause is actually which one that was. Thank you. Three was the one with Martin Short as Jack Frost, which is great. It's very rare that a that a movie can continue to back itself up like that, but that one did. I have to go.
Please talk more about cloning pets and/or.
So there were no trades other than the Jets ones. Shit, I forgot to look. There's not been. I've been up on it for you guys. I think the Cowboys are too little, too late, but.
Well, I mean. You're not a defensive lineman, even a very good one away from. Yeah. I just think after last night, I quit on the Cowboys after last night because Jerry Jones is out there writing, like, and him sitting next to Stephen A. Smith.
Like, what are we doing? By the way, did you almost sent this to you guys also? Did you see Stephen A. Smith turned his? I got ads for this on Twitter.
He turned his solitaire NBA Finals thing into a sponsorship. I mean, that's what you have to do when you get caught doing something naughty. You gotta run into it. All right. I got to go.
Talk to you guys soon. Always fun chatting. See you, Paul. Say ya, Paul. Paul Immig.
Do you want my do you want my Brady? Very briefly. I'll take your Brady.
Okay. I just think Michael Jordan provided the perfect playbook on how to be The goat. And it's to just live as this mythical, it's like to live like Obi-Wan Kenobi on Tatooine. Like, just what everyone remembers of you, just let them remember that. And appearances and public things should be very limited, very, very, because anything that you do can only harm your reputation, right?
Yeah, but if LeBron. If LeBron is the same post-career as Jordan. If he was an owner of an NBA franchise, he would get raked over the Kohl's. Different. If he got $40 million from NBC to say nothing, he wouldn't be like, oh, yeah, load management.
If he owned a NASCAR team and got sued, people would be like, oh, this five guy fucking like. Yeah, Jordan, Jordan. Jordan got Jordan, you know, no social media. On social media. Everything that Brady does is.
Makes me look he's a lizard person. That's how it comes across. Right, he looks like one. And then I read this. I'm like, of course, Brady did that.
Because God forbid he just gets a golden retriever like a normal person. You know what I mean? Like, of course, he's got to. Also, the longer you can't not, you can't choose to not process grief. That's a very human Experience.
You say that's what he's doing?
Well, yeah, if you just replace your dog. Oh, I thought you meant with his divorce.
Well no, you just Dates young hardies. Yeah. Grief always catches up to you. No matter what you try to do to put it off. And I think we're there.
I think I think Paul, grief always catches up with you. No matter what you do to put it off.
So don't clone your fucking dog, Paul.
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