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Welcome into the Winklerverse. Bart Winkler, Grant Bills, Paul Imig. Back for this week's mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. As we have a lot on the docket.
Oh, do we ever?
So much. We got the NBA finals that have come and gone. Eighteen days of chatter. About Oh, I said chatter. I was gonna say, you can't say chatter.
That's 18 days of. Tam? Good morning, everybody. Welcome to the Winkler versus Bart Winkler following me, Graham Phils. Wow, it's so good to be here live, fresh off the bat.
First time starting. No, there's a lot going on. You got the NBA draft coming up. I just put the I like in my phone, even though I don't know. I don't go to any of them and I don't care.
I do like to. Manually enter into my phone calendar the dates that the Packers are practicing in training camp. I do like to know that. And also, you got Paul Skeens and Jacob Mizarowski. Their first of what could be Maybe three or four matchups before Skins gets traded to the Yankees.
But it should be a good one. And I'm using a kids' crew voucher. I figured it out. I'm getting in the door. I paid one dollar fee to sit in 417.
Oh. I will probably just go sit in the outfield for six innings and then leave. No. But I do want to be there. I want to say I was there.
You know, I want to make sure I have the printed ticket that I can say I was there. Are you going solo? Yeah, probably. And I may not even go, you know, for a dollar, I've given myself the option. This is one.
I'm not paying for parking. If I go, I'm not paying for parking. I'm going to park on Blue Mountain Walk. I'm not going to eat anything in there. I just dropped it.
I just dropped gourds of money. At Wrigley. Last week with my kid and a couple of buddies. On tickets, or what was the expensive part? Tickets, feeding your kids, playing the raffle, getting the beers, going to a restaurant after.
So just all of it, the trip as a whole. I didn't know if like the tickets were an arm and a leg or if you guys were we went mini golf the next day. My kid got a hole in one. Nice. Congrats.
I cocked off at these guys I was with. I go, I'm really good at this. And then I hit a hole in one right away. And then the next like four holes later, I had a six. Grant, do you know Bart's mini golf?
History? Lore? No, I do not. I I ran a league in high school. At a building in town, and then you ran a league in high school?
Yeah, putt and stuff. Yeah. And then they closed down our second our first season, we had 18 people. Three Six teams of three. And then we had a winter we had a fall season and a winter season.
And then um We upped it up to 36 because it was some indoor place where if you had. Five people, you could get it for two bucks, a guy.
So we're like, okay, we'll bring 36. And then after that first week. They closed. For now that they're probably like we don't want all these fucking kids here. We don't want all these youths.
Around and then I did a mini golf league in Milwaukee. I took second, but did win two of the four majors. Um And then I'm going to mini golf. If anybody needs a scramble partner for a golf, I am the guy who. I'll I'll hit a safe drive.
150 down the middle. Just in case. You know, so you can do whatever. The middle game is going to be nothing. You'll get nothing out of me.
You might as well just let me drive to the green. We're talking about real golf now. It's not real. Yeah, real golf. If anyone needs a fourth, yeah.
I'll give you 150 drive down the middle. And on the green, I'll put first and either make it or give you a really nice read. I can see my next question. Like, does this translate over to putting in actual golf?
Sounds like it does. It's good. For some reason, I can read a green like I'm reading Charles Dickens. You know? I just, it all makes sense to me.
Well, I want to go golfing together sometimes, and now you have instilled in me great expectations. Mark, how many times did you actually golf in the SSP outing? And then afterwards, I'll say, you'll say, my wife will say, How was the round? And I'll say, well, it. It was the best of times.
It was the worst of times. Paul, what were you saying? Ignore the SSP outing, Barclay. How many times did I do it? Did you actually gulf it?
Five?
Okay. You know what always pissed me off about that?
Well I'm on 1250 WSSP.
Okay. Every one of these people is like On the air. Talking. All day, it's what we do. Uh we need someone to just like MC the uh the ceremony at the end.
Well, I don't I don't want it. Oh I I I don't want to do that. Oh no I I couldn't I couldn't. I had to do it every time because nobody else wanted to. It was our job.
Every time I was asked to golf it, Wicket was the MC.
Well, so then post-wicked I became the MS. Oh, okay.
Okay. Yeah. So you would have never been in one with me, right? Uh-uh. Nope.
Hmm. The first year. Did you not see the year you dumped your shorts? Yes. You MC'd with crap in your pants?
No, I pooped on the way home. Right. Come on, Grant. Yeah, I'm sorry. The the first year I I was The it wasn't like a big poop.
It was a It was enough that I threw the shorts away. Yeah. First year I did it, I was like. you know, the quote unquote celebrity person. And I already hated that.
Part of it. And then I got paired with John Greenberg from the Admirals. And he was paying. I was like I think our roles are reversed. We can, you know, felt very, oh, thanks for sticking me with the person who could be on the other side of like the.
Paying versus attending as a well, everybody that plays in that thing is like, maybe we'll get paired up with Leroy Butler, totally. And then, and then I with all due respect, with all due respect, Scott Grodsky. Yeah. With all of us. John and the other Admirals people were so nice.
I was still very, very, very early in my career. And I felt so bad genuinely. This is not like a self-deprecating. I was like, I felt bad. Like, you could have had Leroy.
You got me and I'm really sorry and we'll try to have fun and Make the best of it and John and the rest of his people were so cool about it and I felt bad the whole time No, and not only that, not only am I Just me and not Leroy or others. But also, I'm bad at golf.
So I'm like the worst thing you could have possibly. been paired up with.
Sorry. One more note about bodily functions. as I'm trying to find a time to fit it in here today. I did I did announce, well, I've been crowdsourcing this take with a few friends and. I haven't got any takers.
Uh but Carlos finally agreed with me on the show last night. I said At home, if I have to go number one, I just sit down. Yeah, I've heard you say I've heard you I must have heard you say that at some point. It sounds true. If I'm at home, I just sit down and then good old KS on.
Blue sky. Yesterday said After hearing my guy Bart Winkler dot B S K Y dot social. Yeah. briefly discuss this topic on his national Nationwide top-rated radio show, I proudly make the following proclamation. I sit down to pee.
More relaxing, no brainer, no mess. Only at home, though, I stand anywhere else. And I replied to him. Why build a castle? If you don't sit on the throne.
Ha ha ha ha. That's good. Look, I... I'll admit to this as well. I sit down when I go at home too.
Does that get a little phone time? Yeah, and I have to clean it. It's my toilet.
So, like, even, well, grant, just pee in the bolt.
Well, no shit. Thank you.
Okay, but. You know, you don't have perfect control. And then after that. Double dribble.
Now, when I am in public and I'm not responsible for cleaning the toilet, I used the restroom at the Summerfest grounds before the headliner last week. There may have, there, there may as well have not even been a toilet in that stall because I don't think I even looked. And I was not the first person to do that, which is why I feel comfortable doing it. But at home, I'm going to keep it clean. Why build a castle if you can't?
That IP? Yeah. At home? Every time. Yeah.
And grant, you're saying you do it every time as well. Yeah, like maybe there's a I don't know. Like, I know. No one I'll chart it. There are going to be someone who listens, and this is like, you know, like a man card thing.
Like, I don't give a shit from that. But, like, I don't. I'm not like, oh my god, you two losers, but like. What do you do? What do you want to do?
You want to stand there, oversee. Your ween like you're looking over all that at the pride lands Like your fucking Mufasa? Everything the piss touches. Or do you just want to like sit down? Look at your phone.
And you know, with kids, it's like the longer you're in the bathroom, the longer you're alone.
So, you know how great it is to poop because you have that time for yourself?
Well, A sitting pee doesn't give you as much free time as a poop, but it gives you a nice, it's a snack. It's not a meal, but it's a good snack. What's your excuse, Grant, with no kids? Efficiency, leisure. Leisure.
Efficiency, cleanliness. And also, if we're watching a show and we're in between episodes, maybe I want just to check Twitter for two minutes. Is that a crime? I don't think so. Yeah, but if I do it while we're watching the show, then I'm not present and I'm not You know, with Grant and I specifically.
We have these jobs that's like we're on the clock 24-7. And we got to like be on our phone when we're in the shower. When we're taking a pee. I mean, you don't even like it to see your family. I haven't seen my son since St.
Patrick's Day.
Sometimes I'm checking my phone when I'm intimate. Yeah. I once turned down sex to break a trade rumor. Wait, Grant, you're not married. That's true.
Sometimes I just want to turn my brain off for two minutes and go, us kids call it going nonverbal. Sitting down to pee is a good two minutes to just go nonverbal.
Okay. And I cannot stress this enough. I don't like cleaning up my own piss, especially once it's been dried. Like that, that's as far as this conversation needs to go. You just realized that you needed to hire someone yesterday.
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Luckily, we're 11 minutes into the podcast. Yeah, we're up against it. Paul? All right. Let's go with uh Last week we did Like the list of With Patriots and Thunder Player that you could add to the bucks.
Yeah, mine had zero points in game seven. I thought mine aged rather well, actually. I felt proud of my answer. Yeah, well, I guess so. Um, yeah, top and Is still really good, obviously, Bart, to the, you know, to your point of who you picked.
This week, I want to look at, because I thought this was a really Challenging exercise. I want to go through the Bucks players. And you're going to say, mm-hmm. That they would have gotten minutes on either the Pacers or the Thunder in the finals. Wow.
And I've I I so if you say mm, it means they would have played For either one. I don't even care which one. And I think the challenge was like. 10 minutes? Spoiler alert, there aren't a lot.
Who I think would have gotten away from the middle of the- We talking like a Ben Shepard kind of role? Any role, right?
So, like, it doesn't have to be. I'm thinking like a Ben Shepard, Aaron Wiggins kind of. I'm not thinking like a Tony Bradley maybe plays twice in a series. Sure, right.
So let's start with the obvious. Giannis Adam Akumba would have played for the Thunder or the Pacers in this series. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay.
You know what I think about a lot, Grant, is when you said that if the Pacers. Took out Siakam and put in Giannis. Oh my god. Yeah, it'd be the best pit form in the league. Yeah.
Hey, um, quick. Quick, I want to interrupt this real quick just to say that there's an NBA trade, a real one. Jordan Poole is a pelican, C. J. McCollum is a wizard.
What? It's McCollum Olinick, a future second, Farpoo Sadiq Bey and a second.
So essentially for all intents. McCollum for Pool and Bay. Huh. Two stinky teams. Does that help anyone?
I don't think so. I don't have one sentence to add on to that. I don't either. I'm trying to think of anything, whether it's that's what I'm gonna say tonight. I'll say we were talking on a show and we had nothing to add.
And I love NBA trades, and I'm like.
Okay. Maybe I'll even play this particular clip of audio. I like that. You should. on the show.
And the Into the Winkler verse clip. Can air on the Bart Winkler show. There you go. You should, and maybe I'll cut this and play it on the Wisco Sports Show tonight that's available across affiliates all over Wisconsin, but it streams on my Twitter as well. You should play this.
I'll clip. That. And we'll p Which part a little wink section? Sure, there you go.
Okay, so obviously. But with the Drew trade. Yeah, go for wa okay, go ahead. Did I not, did I not tell, like. The Bucs traded Drew to the Portland Trailblazers, and everyone yelled at them for trading them to the Celtics.
But they didn't do that. Correct. The Celtics trade drew to the Blazers, and all of a sudden, Brad Stevens is knighted. I will say I don't know how. You won't like this.
I don't know how Brad Stevens pulled that off. No, I don't either. I don't know what the Blazers' impetus is for that. It's like they're gonna be a little bit more. They wanna have a veteran lead guard who can make them 500 next year.
I mean, I kind of get it. Simons is duplicative of Sharp and other guys and Like he's going to be a free agent next year. They want someone who can run the team competently. Drew can obviously do that. make young players better just by putting them in the right spots.
But You're committing to like two more years at $70 million for Drew and giving up It's only second round picks, but it was a good trade for Boston, which sucks. And Brad Stevens is very good at this.
Okay, so Giannis would obviously play for the Patriots of Thunder. The answer is also obviously for Dame, but I want to sidebar that for a second and say. If you put Dame on the Pacers and if you put Dame on the Thunder, Where does he Fit. What does he do? Like, what would he do?
So, Dame. Is he coming off the bench for the final? No, he's not coming off the bench either. Just put him in the CJ McCollum role. What's that roll?
Ah, not CJ McCollum, the other one. You'd know who I'm talking about. Uh Wait, which team? Which team? The Pacers, TJ McConnell.
See, they're close. See, they're close. TJ McConnell. Put him in the TJ McConnell. Just come on.
Got to start. But where does Dame play next to SGA and Tyrese? I don't know. I don't think he does. And he's, and he's, and at this point in Dame's career, he's a lesser player than both.
Is Damian Lillard, the Spuck's second best player, a sixth man on both NBA Finals teams? Wow. It does feel like when they talk about these three guys that blew their Achilles, like Damien's that dragon that looks like, you know. But that's partially because you're talking Tatum 27. Tyreese 25.
And then you're like, oh, well, sure, it makes more sense to tear it at 36. 35, whatever name is.
Okay, let's go to the rest of the Bucks roster. Bobby Portis would have played meaningful minutes. for the Thunder or Pacers in the NBA Finals. Mm-hmm. And they already have Hartenstein and Shed.
They have everyone. They have Topin. Right. Like they have Right, like I would I would put Top and over Bobby. I think he plays more for the Pacers than the Thunder.
Probably like if he's on the thunder, he's probably getting like those few handfuls of Kendrick Williams minutes instead. Oh, Jesus. Miles Turner-ish. Yeah. Ish.
Ish. He's more like Miles Turner than Chet. Or Hartenstein. Can we just say Hartenstein? I know that's not how it's.
No, I'm proud of everyone that shits on me. I never miss a Hartenstein. Never. Proud of you. Never.
Proud of you. I think it's a Doris Burke thing, but. Um Barely, I guess is my answer. Yeah. The answer might be like he barely plays.
A.J. Green would have played meaningful minutes in the NBA Finals for the Pacers or Thunder. Or mm-mm.
Well, he's probably like I think Joe. Is he getting or like is he getting like Ben Shepard's minutes? That's the comp that I thought of. Yeah, but Shepard's better than Green. Yeah.
Is he? I don't know. You have Ben Shepard opinions. Half of these names that you're naming, I'm like, I know that's a name of a guy that's on the Thunder, but I could not line up. Or the Pacers.
I do. I do. You really do. When I went to game one last year, where Dame had like. 35 points in the first half and two points in the second.
And the Pacers brought in this My brother and I were like Why the fuck is this guy wearing number 26 kicking our ass? Who was it? Shepard. Ben Shepherd. Oh, okay.
Ben Shepard. Who the fuck is Ben Shepard? At the very least, I think if we were to debate A.J. Green. probably those minutes and then For the Thunder?
I mean, like, probably would be the six minutes in the series that Isaiah Joe got, right? Like, he could have played, but I don't. And I think this is. Neither coach is like, thank God we have a guy who can do that. You know what I mean?
Like, we're missing that skill set. Either coach, like, AJ Green could probably play for both, swap him out with those names, but it's not like he's bringing anything unique to either team that they don't already have. This conversation is going to make me swing the pendulum to Trade Giannis now. Welcome. Welcome to the team.
Yeah, I mean, there is a disparity in over. And the thing is, is like, The only player on the Pacers or the Thunder that's in Giannis' league is SGA.
So then you can like you can have less depth and you can have less overall of a quality roster and make up for it because you have Giannis. But it's pretty bad. Kevin Porter Jr. would have played any minutes for the Thunder or Pacers in this series. Mm-hmm.
Mm-mm. Again, maybe the TJ McConnell role, but that's it. But you'd rather have McConnell. For sure, right? Yeah.
Yeah. Yes. So he might play that role, but you if you had both You'd play McConnell. Yes. Me too.
Gary Trent Jr. would have played minutes in the NBA Finals for the Pacers or Thunder. Or Again, maybe like, you know, like in some ways. I don't know, Trent. I mean, Trent's like a Niecemith to me.
But a lesser not a lot lesser, like a 90% version. Or he would have been like Kaysen Wallace. That's a name that I heard during the broadcast when I was watching the games. He started the first two games. Sure.
Not that the broadcast didn't share that.
So I take no blame for not knowing that. Here's an interesting one, although he's no really I mean, I think he's played his last game as a buck, pretty obviously, but Brooke Lopez would have played meaningful minutes for wh who who are you not putting in because you have the option to put in Brooke Lopez? Oh, nobody. I just, we're being so dismissive that, bro. We just want to.
Oh, but I mean, like, you add Brooke Lopez to either roster. Whose minutes is Brooke taking? Honestly. Nobody. Tony Bradley.
I mean, chat. Watch not. He's a okay. Word, we are digging at two different things. He could do what Chet has done.
Chet was a defense merchant this whole series. Like, they got nothing from him on offense.
So, he could do the Chet thing, but that's not your question.
So, I'll correct myself and. say probably mm. I guess ultimately what I was trying to what I was thinking of is like If there was like a draft and the Pacers and Thunder get to just take Bucks and they get to add them into that series, how many of these Bucks are actually playing? would have played.
Meanwhile, if the Bucs could draft in reverse. Jalen Williams that rides the bench would play 25 a game. Yeah, totally. I mean, okay, let me ask you one more, and this is probably the most painful one. Kyle Kuzma.
Arguably the footballs were totally forgot. I didn't even, I wasn't even like waiting for it. When you said my brain processed Kyle Corver, and I'm like, what's Paul doing? He must be going for something here. And then, oh, yeah, the other, that, yeah, Kyle Kuzma is a real person who's on our team.
Kuzma plays no minutes. And I mean, let me ask you this: going in the next season, let's just, you know, Dame's healthy, presumably. Kyle Akuzma is the Bucs' third best player on next year's team. I don't appreciate you walking us down this primrose path. Don't manipulate us into drawing a conclusion that you want us to draw.
I'm not trying to. This is like what went in my head: like, oh my goodness. Like, because I went into the Pacer series with the Bucks and be like, Yeah, they can. I mean, I don't know if they will win this series against the Pacers, but I think the Bucs could win this series against the Pacers. And then you'd watch.
I was not expecting this kind of Oliver twist. Yeah. I don't know if Paul even picked up on that bit the first time. Kyle Kuzma would have played. Minutes in this series for either team or not on purpose.
Maybe like There's two minutes left. No, but so I agree. And then answer this one: Kyle Kuzma going in the next season is the Bucs' third. That's player. No well, are you not counting dame?
No, I'm counting dame. Giannis one, dame two, who's three? Bobby. Yikes. Trent.
like who they have to re-sign. Whoever they draft tomorrow. What about that guy? What about Tyler Smith? Didn't they draft someone?
They drafted Tyler Smith. There's no doubt about that. Andre Jackson Jr. Do you want to play the Pat? Pat Conenton picked up his.
Team is player option. Think he was going to pick that one up. 9.4 million? Sure. Anyway, um Bart, this is why.
Or it's a reason why. Though I know Yannis is not being traded, though I'm very appreciative and happy for his loyalty, it is why going back. a month and a half ago when we first had the Giannis conversation. before he was for the first time in his career open. to being traded at least for the Shams, the purpose of Shams is social media.
It is why I just, I'm like, I don't think this team is doing anything now. And it's going to take several years. You know, if Yanis is willing to wait. a while for this team to be rebuilt. Um Anyway.
There's a talent disparity. There you go. There's the I don't appreciate you walking us from player to player and making us confront. I mean, this is like a Christmas Carol, Paul. It's a little dark.
I don't appreciate it.
Sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Any other thoughts on this terribly depressing topic? Yeah, that's about it. Um I sent this to you guys because I don't know if you are actually going to activate this for the bartometer.
So we'll do it here. And then, if you choose to do it for the bartometer, great. But I did put together In light of Halliburton's injury. what I think the likelihood is of the teams in the East winning the East next year. It was a bad conference before Tatum got hurt.
It was a worse conference after Tatum got hurt. It was a terrible conversation. And then Halliburton gets hurt. And like. Dame?
The Bucs are arguably he's the second best player on the East's Fifth, sixth best team. Tatum is the best player on the East's first or second best team. Halliburton is the best player on the one of the East's two best teams, if not best team. They should probably deserve to be called the East best team right now.
So I went through and I said, like, Okay. I wanted to power rank the likelihood of these teams. winning the East next year.
So I'll give you my list of eight. And then I'm going to say or that that list is correct. Yeah. I don't know how else to do it, but like I put Celtics one, even with Tatum. If you said you get a million dollars if you're right and nothing if you're wrong, as my high school group of friends say.
We we we say this a lot when we don't want to like Tell someone that they're An asshole, but we want to be polite. We say, Let me stop you right there. Let me stop you right there. I don't understand why you have the Celtics at one. It invalidates this whole list for me.
Who a million dollars if you're right, nothing if you're wrong. Who would you put ahead of them? Cavs, Knicks, Sixers. I mean, I'll take it. Yeah.
What's their lineup next year? I am still shocked. I don't want the Celtics to represent the East. I'm still shocked that even like before Tatum got hurt, they looked the way they looked. I still think they are.
Even I kind of like this. Simons for Drew Holiday trade. I still think they're going to do something else, but if it's like, oh, we traded Porzenka, it's like, who gives a shit?
Okay, Hortford's gone. And I think cornets do too. I don't know who their big is. I don't know. One of them's making it's not Cornette, who's the other guy?
Well, Hauser? Yeah, he's making ten million per. Yeah. I think more. Although Chris Mannix tweeted earlier today that plenty of teams are showing interest, he also turned off replies for the tweets.
So I don't. For Hauser? I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm digging. He said, Hauser, Sam Hauser, a 40-plus percent three-point shooter, has generated strong interest. He will be in a four-year, $45 million extension next season.
That's the same contract, by the way, that Chris Middleton first signed that Bucks fans were irate about. In a totally different, and like, yeah. Um So I do, I mean, again, if it was my million dollars. I would take the Celtics to win it. Here's the thing I would say about, so here I'll go.
Celtics. Nix, I have it too. Calves three. Magic four. Bucks five, pistons six.
76ers seventh And pacers. The Halliburton List Pacers Eighth. I think you are nuts. I'm closer to putting the Pacers one than I am closer to putting them eighth. Without Halliburton?
Yeah, that's it. That's it. To win the East.
Okay, okay, hold on. First of all, I think those are the eight teams, right? You're not missing the heat are bad. Heat, hawks, you could consider bad, wizards, hornets. There's the other team.
Bulls, the pacers are good. Why is everyone denying the pacers? Hold on, let me just clarify one thing real quick. I don't mean best regular season record. I mean, actually, winning the East in May to go into the finals in June.
With The scenarios as they're laid out. And Halliburton and Dame, and all of that. You're not ranking playoff one. You're not doing seeds here. No, we're talking about a playoff result.
Okay. Likelihood of I think I'm going to seed it on Thursday. go for it. But like for me, it was like likelihood. of actually representing the East.
I do actually then after I put the list together, I did find what the odds are. Four teams to win the East. And Grant, you'll be, especially given your reaction, surprised to learn that. They had the Pacers eighth.
Well, they didn't. They're still 11-1 to win the title. I'll I'll go find my list. Maybe it's something you saw something different. I'll go find it.
But anyway, so what else is wrong?
So you'd put Pacers closer to first than eighth. What else do you guys like? I just think, let's just talk about the Celtics, the Bucks, and the Pacers. They all lost one of their very important players to an Achilles injury. Don't you think the Pacers are the best equipped of those three teams?
to still compete and play at a high level and win basketball games? Celtics. Okay. I'm not saying I'm gonna lose guys. They're gonna lose guys.
I think the pacers are deeper. They are. And they're younger. I think they can run. And I guess my first thought was navigating an 82-game regular season.
I think the Pacers should still be able to do a pretty darn good job, where I think the Bucs will struggle. And I think the Celtics, to a lesser degree than the Bucs, will also struggle. Winning in the playoffs and winning seven-game series without Halliburton. Either at all or without him at 100%, that's a little different. But I think eighth is.
I think that's nuts. All right, calves are one. Yeah, you guys aren't like completely out on the calves after what we just watched. We should be, but we also shouldn't be. They got beat by Indiana.
They got beat by Indiana, who was... A Halliburton injury away from winning the NBA Finals. Let me give you my pushback. Let me give you my pushback on the Cavs. I looked into this a little bit.
I want to do more research on it, but it is not. It is more rare than it is common. for a team to go from not the conference finals to the finals.
So, like, even if you look at the 2019 Bucks Eastern Conference finals, then they won the East. And yes, then they won the finals. But I'm just talking about getting to the finals. Who was the last team to not make a conference finals and then win the finals the following year? Oh, it was it happened on Sunday.
Again, There are there's gonna be examples, but like if you if it was my million dollars to win. I would rather choose between a team that either had just won the title, like even I would include in the West, like the Nuggets, in the East, the Celtics. I like that. That is a thing. Let me stop bearing the lead here.
Hold on, the calves. Donovan Mitchell's never been to a conference finals in the West or the East. You always talk about how MB has never been to an Eastern conference finals. Yeah. So I just think that that's a bigger jump.
Which is what Puts me to have the Cavs below even the Knicks and the Celtics. I like that they've been there and they've done that. It gives me confidence for my million dollars. I love how they've been there and done that. I just like how you awarded that.
That was good. To no longer bury the lead. The Bucks are eighth on this list. Uh Okay. We can't just do the thing we did.
And then argue that they're better than any of these teams. Again, I had them. Right slightly ahead of the pistons. I like the Pistons. I like the Pistons too.
Are the Pistons going to win the East? I'm going to put money on it. The Magic are going to win the East. You're high on the Magic, but the Pistons is a bridge too far? If the Pistons, and you're going to hate this because you hated it in our text message, if the Pistons had gotten Desmond Bain.
I would be higher on the pistons than on the magic. I think the Desmond Bang swing factor, as it's called, the DBS. F. as it's commonly known. Is, I mean, I think that's a big enough swing to go from magic over pistons.
Now, the pistons might still have a move like that, and if they do, I would probably have them pretty easily leapfrog the bucks. But again, we're talking about fifth and sixth. But by the way, I did find the here's what. Um, here's what the odds are. In order.
Cabs? Nixon. Celtics? Magic, sixers, pistons, bucks, Pacers.
So I had the Pacers eighth. Yeah, so put the Bucs last. And who's after the Celtics? I had calves, I had nicks too. What is the real list of odds?
The real is our calves, one. Fine. Nick's two. K. Celtics three.
Who's four? Magic. Yeah, I'd put I'd put I I'm tempted to put the Sixers at three. Sixers are at five on this. Odds on the odds.
I put them at Sixers, Pistons, Magic, Celtics, Pacers, Bucks. And then by the way, the ninth and tenth place teams on the odds are the Hawks ninth. and the Raptors 10th.
So they have the right to do that. Unless you think the Knicks are hiring a moron. I feel like the the case is pretty good for them to Win the East. Or it should be. And they were in a conference final, which is all you need to do.
And they lost to a team that was really good. And I think probably would have won the finals if Halberton doesn't get hurt in game seven.
So I would probably say Knicks. Cavs, I suppose. I just think, and look, winning in the playoffs without Halliburton is another thing. I think the Pacers is a regular season team next year. And I'm not going to say bet the over on the look because I don't care, but like, I think they're as well constructed a team to navigate a regular season without their best player.
than than just about anybody else. Way better than the Bucs and the Celtics, I think. I agree. And I guess that's that's my point.
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Carlos had no idea. I go, You didn't work at Small Town Radio, dude. No matter where you're going, no matter where you are, radio gets results. That's radio.
Well, 'cause I always tell the story when I was at a Phone. Company. I don't remember where in Fonda Lac it was, but it was right over the Verizon. And uh, come on. And and we did a remote there.
Horizon. Yeah. I mean, you're in a remote there, and we go. I'm like, hey, it's Bunt Wickler, K with 07.1 Saturday at the 70s. Come on down to Verizon.
We have free activation for you and $25 off each live. Here's a little more Christopher Columbus. Or just Cross. And then uh you know A song played and then I'm you you're at a phone remote, it's like, Okay, well I guess I'll go look at all the phones again That's what I would do at play it again sports. Look at that.
You've been here how long? Twenty-m five minutes? We haven't had anyone walk in yet. And I'm like I'm going to tell you what's going to happen right now. No one's coming.
But later tonight, someone's going to come. And say I heard it on the radio about free activation. Yep. And you're going to say, oh, you missed the window. And then they're going to be mad.
And I said. You're gonna get people tomorrow. You're gonna get people two weeks from now, you're gonna get people. Seven weeks from now, they come and say, I just heard you on the radio. That's why we're doing this.
Mm-hmm. Now, God bless them. My grandpa and grandma came to every remote I had, and then people were always like, oh, who's this? Couple in the buying age, purchasing power. That never bought anything, but just came to see me.
I mean, my grandma loves me, but she's not going to fucking activate a phone just because I'm on the corner of Rolling Meadows Drive and Scott Street. She doesn't love you that much, it sounds like. Mine were much more approachable. Yeah, right. No, I was just gonna say, Z93, we'd be live to play it against sports.
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It's played against sports. I mean, they've been playing. Who's driving around on one side of Fond du Lake? And they're like. Oh fuck.
I have an hour to get free activation?
Well, my remote makes more sense than yours. People don't buy a phone on a whim. If I have four kids who all play hockey, I am getting there. It's like on our way home from church when you see great clips that has 50% off haircuts. My mom whips the car into the lot.
You know what they did give me, though? Did I ever show you guys this? I'll have only waited until you started asking your question, Paul. It always. I mean, no, you haven't showed us Bart.
When would you have showed us? I think I'm just done acting surprised. What? Verizon! They gave me a free phone for a while.
And then they gave me the sweet duffel bag. Oh, that's cool. Is it a bowling bag? No, but it's a r it's a cassette. No, I see the pattern I'm...
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I might go. It's the Is a bad. On the even like on the national scene. but would be a huge deal. If these two guys pitched against each other.
Say In a Yankees Mets game or a Yankees Red Sox or a like, so my point is: this is a so let's answer is a two-part one. This is a this is a big deal pitching matchup. It is.
So I think it's pretty obvious. If this was You know, even like. Cubs Mets, Skeens versus Mizurowski. This is big enough. to lead a national nighttime sports radio talk show.
Well, I know it's a big deal because the guy, if you go on live, so let me say, if you go on live at 9 p.m. And we're in the sixth inning. Of You know, a pitching duel of two names because it's not just that they're two good pitchers, they're two pitchers more so with Skeens has a little bit more of a reputation, but Mizarowski's coming on like crazy in terms of. the the name and the the the marketing around it. Definitely on the come.
Yeah. Thanks, Bill. Yeah. I don't know. When I heard it, when I thought about it that way, I just thought about it.
I said, if this was a game, I think it's unfortunate that it's happening on an afternoon and not a nighttime, because this is one that. I would do everything I could as commissioner of the league to be like, actually, no, this game is now happening at seven, and we're moving it to ESPN. Like, I think it's that level of like opportunity. For the league. And even if the Brewers and Pirates capitalize.
I'm worried that it will Get lost otherwise in the ether of all the things happening. But anyway, so the pitch map is a really big deal. If happening at a different time or in a different market would be a Huge, huge. Deal. Mm-hmm.
It it's a big deal. I got the guy that sends me uh Odds Emails. I already got a special email. about all the props for tomorrow's game between Skeens and Miserowski. How many pitches over 100 miles per hour?
How many strikeouts? How many runs? Who wins? Schemes right now. The favorite far and away to win the Cy Young, Mizarowski.
Already up there for rookie of the year. Another guy with odds already, Chase Burns, who's going tonight for the Reds for the first time. Oh, I just Found out who that was when I read the email from mlv.com. While you were talking. Sure.
Um Yeah, no, d you're right on every Corner of it. There's no greater example of that than how no one gave a shit about Council going to the Cubs. Sure. And that would be a huge. deal.
I don't think that I think a lot of people know skeens. I'm not sure a nation is caught up to what Mizarewski is yet or who he is. But if though it's flashy enough, like the 102-mile, like that's people like that's you can market that, like you can get around that. And if the game was, like I said, seven o'clock on national TV. I thought I was seeing Miz on Thursday at Wrigley because they had the rain delay and then they made Freddy go.
We couldn't get it. Oh, yeah. The train got there later than I thought. And so we didn't get there until like the middle of the second. It was already 4-2.
I'm like, Jesus Christ. But The answer is it would be a bigger deal if it was Probably any two teams. I don't think so. I think it would be mostly the same. There's no scenario that I Can see myself.
leading the show with it. No matter what teams they are. If it's Yankees, Red Sox and both of them pitch complete games, I s I still don't think it's No, I think Falls in the Forest, et cetera, type of thing. Bart would know better than I. But like, I think that would dominate an hour of.
National radio as it's happening, like in the moment. Like, Bart, what was that that happened last year in the middle of summer that Skeens? What did Skeens do? There was a, it took you like an hour and a half. I remember this last summer.
Was it his name? No, there was some he had a Maybe he had a Shout out through eight. I don't know. There was something that happened in Skeen's pitching world. I remember he dumped truck the Cubs when I was in Vegas, and Twitter was kind of going nuts over it.
But I don't know if it was like anything historic. But I remember that game specifically, which would have been last May. Like if these guys go tomorrow. He endeavors faced his whole team. And I didn't bring it up till the end of the show.
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Um Bart, if they if if these guys both go like eight innings of one hit ball How long does it take for you? dimension it. Later that night? I don't think that I can appropriately answer because I'm most likely going to be there, which is going to compel me to say it. More.
But okay, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Well, I was just going to say, if that happens, I will work it in as a Brewers fan. Sure, but like even like if this was like Angels Padres, I wouldn't even probably mention it. But okay, so what time? Let's use this example. What time is Gelbon?
Like four-ish Central Time? Two to five. Two to five. So if this game starts at one o'clock and they're both. one hit or whatever through seven through eight.
He's gonna pause what he would have planned at 3.30 and be like, hey. I'd like to mention as it's happening live. Really, I see.
Okay, maybe I'm wrong. I might be wrong. Got to get takes off about the thunder parade. That would still take precedent over the situation that you're describing. I'm not saying that it's like good.
I'm just. Look, I didn't hang the moon and the stars and the sun, Paul. I'm just telling you the way the world spins. Brings me no pleasure. You might be right.
And I would say if. If this isn't Like a must-see. Random game in June on a Wednesday. But if this isn't a must-see game, And pitching matchups, I think, Bart, more than like a Devors going back, pitching matchups have a certain Ability to sell. Like, I mean, it has that extra little piece to it because it's not just like, oh, like, Schemes is pitching.
Oh no, Skeen's against this new phenom. Um I think it has that extra level of marketability. If marketed outside of the two markets, outside of Pittsburgh, outside of Milwaukee. But yeah, sounds like I'm in the minority on this topic. I I everyone wants baseball to market their stars, market their stars.
Other than having games on during the day all the time, I don't I think it is what it is. And I love it. And baseball fans do too. And it's a gate sport, and people love going, but I. I don't know that there's a game.
You should be able to turn on a baseball game at any point in the summer. Between noon Eastern and one in the morning. Good take. I agree. Like, there's, I know I can turn on.
Hey, I happen to be home today on a Thursday. I know there's a game on. Oh, it's Monday. I know there's a game. I'll just follow this game.
It at least gets, you know, tinker the schedules as you will. This whole like, gotta play the the schedules are all There's no routine in the lack of routine. Wise. There should always be a game on TV at all times. Hey, guys, especially on you guys to continue this conversation.
I'm going to listen to it later. And I'll see you guys soon. But you got to keep going. Boom! Bye, Paul.
Bye, Paul. Bye, dudes. I have nothing else to say. I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't want to get too high on our own supply. Isn't it the worst being When your closest friends are other radio people and you have chances to talk before and after a segment, it's like, no, no, no, no, save it, save it, save it, save it.
And then we're gonna my screen will look like this instead. That's more comforting. That's more of a four thirty. Box screen. This is more of a two in the afternoon box screen.
And I always put you up in that corner, and then Paul's down here. I feel like that works. Are we losers? This is our social time. Zoom calls for.
dozens of people to Listen and watch. Um, are we losers? That's a good question. Um,. Don't answer that.
Let's save it for on air later. Like, what a shitty g what is that? You know, one bit of uh advice that I saw the other day that stuck with me? Besides, we're all gonna die soon anyway. Is People are always like worried what they look like in public and what they're doing and how they're going to be viewed, and you know, what's this person going to think of me?
But then like think of you When you're out in public, What are you thinking of? You're thinking of, can I afford this? Do I have time to do that? Did I do that? Everyone's in their own everyone's in their own fucking world.
So just be be you, be weird. Be yourself. Find out who yourself is. And be that person. Is this a commencement speech?
I don't know. By the way, I think that was a very good showing for us with the Charles Dickens drops, and I think they all went over Paul's head. But I thought that was good.
Well, I don't take him for much of a reader. Charles Dickens wrote in a time where You know, there wasn't too much advanced stats. He wrote on uh He wrote on paper, not in Excel. Everything I complain about with this Thunder series is like, and this is what the thing that I am hating on is exactly what Paul wants for the world. We kept going, Paul.
Yeah, we kept going.
Now we're done. We only went to shit on you. Thank you for having me into the Winklerverse. Thank you for letting me have you. All right.
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