Good afternoon, everybody. I'm Bart Winkler. Welcome into the Winklerverse.
Grant Bills, Paul Imig. Grant, do you want to talk about your trip or don't you care? That's a pretty big deal. I saw you posted about it, so it's public domain.
Fair game. I did post about it on Instagram. I hadn't posted on Instagram in a while. It was beautiful. Very cool.
Very cool. Yeah, it was dope. And then I got to spend four days in La Crosse over the weekend, which was like I've had a week but I'm catching up on sleep. And I fell ill a little bit, which now I'm coming out the other side. Just just a wild 10 days for me.
Yeah, very cool. Some people call La Crosse America's Iceland. Do you feel like that's true now that you've been to both places in the span of a week? I had some free time on Friday afternoon. And this was after my car had an issue. I had to take it in and they're like, it shouldn't be a big deal. And then they called me.
It's like, yeah, it's gonna be $1,700. I'm like, okay. And I'm jet lagged. I just feel like crap.
But I have a live show to do. So I'm like, it's sunny. Let me just go up on the bluff.
I'll just try to like pull myself out of this funk. And as soon as I walk out there, there's a sign says your life matters. And then there was a phone number and I'm like, Oh, my God. Wow. Wow.
Right. I wish there was like, I need a I need a, you know, I'd go up to granddad's bluff when I was sad or having, you know, a moment. I need another place like that.
Now. I mean, it's nice to go look across Lake Michigan. I don't take that for granted.
But I need like a granddad's bluff. I keep searching far and wide, went out on Third Street, did not feel old and washed. I felt like I was in the mix. It was very fun.
Had a great time. I know. The other note I want to say before we get started is you never know what day of the year it's going to be. But this is today is the day.
Where on April 15th, it is officially. No more beanie day. We're in ball cap season now, boys. What a reveal. We're making the switch to ball cap season.
Oh, I hear I hear the click, click, click. Yeah, ball cap season today. Wow. I had to get a haircut. I mean, I know I got a little left up there, but we sent in a credential for the NFL draft and I sent mine in with a hat on. Can't do that.
No. I need your face, man. I need your I need your thinning, receding dome.
It's very important this one. Well, what do we got? We got Bucks playoffs coming out. We got NFL draft coming up. We got the Brewers having a I mean, they're literally like the Rory McElroy of MLB right now. Where do you want to lead us? I want to start with Ken Griffey Jr photography. Mm hmm.
Or mm hmm. Oh, beautiful shots. Yeah, just pristine.
I want to start with your from a couple months ago. We kind of all were suffering from a case of mild Bucks optimism. This was, of course, when the Kuzma trade was like four or five games in and it was looking pretty good.
And of course, Lillard had not yet been diagnosed with his blood clot issue. So as you go into this Pacer series, Dame has been ruled out for at least game one. But I think if on a Tuesday, five days before a game, four days before a game, you're being ruled out for the Saturday game. I don't think that makes me feel great about game two, game three, probably the series. So let's just do it.
Do you you can counter that? Well, no, I just like that. It's like, okay, we're only ruling him out game one, because that's my point. Like, you wouldn't do that four days before the game if you're like, Yeah, but it's 80 20 for game two. Like, and this isn't an injury. You know, like, I also say this is where, you know, those coaches that are like, trying to debate if they're going to start which of their shitty quarterbacks they're going to start.
Like, we're not telling you if we're starting drew locker Tommy DeVito, we want you to plan for both. Yeah. And then the bucks are just like five days before. Hey, Indiana, you don't have to worry, Dame, we're not playing game. Yeah.
What was the advantage of that? There's Well, no, what I'm saying is, the people in the NFL that do it are stupid. Oh, you think the bucks did nothing like you're perfectly fine that the bucks didn't try to keep it close to the vest and I mean, I just the amount of time that these teams have played together that they've practiced like, it's not like the world would fall apart. It's not like Indiana would be caught with their pants down if they're like, Oh, my God, dames playing. We're prepared to take on a no dame team, but you would you would split I mean, I'm sure the bucks had a good reason to do it. But you would in theory split your time then again, but I don't think they do any of that. Oh, I disagree. They just go out there and ball dude. No. Come on this league is highly organized the amount of film they're grinding. Do you hear what Mike Malone was talking about the other day before he got fired? It's obvious these guys are studying and preparing for every single outcome.
True, true, true. I bought the other day. Does my finger still look blistered or no blistered? Yeah, you're looking looks rude pop on the end. It's hard to tell it's pink.
Like, yeah, looks. No, you can tell I had to buy a finger splint. I jam my finger. We went to the park with some of the kids.
And there were four dads there and one of them brought a basketball for some reason. And the next thing you know, we were playing two on two. Oh, that's an injury waiting to happen. And so I jammed my finger so bad.
I had to buy a finger splint, but I had to wear it over a glove because the blood circulation was not my hand was freezing. It was nuts. So you and Dame both dealing with basketball related.
I had a blood clot of my own. Let me just say, so we actually let me just ask you is before you go into the topic I want to ask, what is your assumption of Dame playing in round one at all? Forget game one, which we know he's out.
What are like, what is the I'm going on? Okay, so my, my assumption is not playing round one. My assumptions based on years of what we've seen post playoffs. Let me read this to you.
Okay. Yanis has been out of mind in the NBA playoffs after appearing in 14 series and 76 games through his age 27 season. The buck star has participated in only three playoff games since May of 2022.
That's terrible. He missed two in the five game loss to Miami in 2023 did not play at all last year, dialing it back to the game to blow out loss in the Eastern Conference semi against Boston that Akuma's team has gone two and seven in the postseason. He is not played with his number two guy Middleton since previous of that in 21.
So with the history of the box, and should it affect how I feel about this, maybe not maybe so. I'm not expecting game to play at all. I don't any time that he comes back. That will be great.
And blood clots are a thing where it's like, it's not just like a normal healing process either he can play or he can't. Right, exactly. So I don't, I'm not, I'm not expecting Damian Lillard in these playoffs. I'm definitely not round one, I'm expecting Kevin Porter Jr. who ain't gonna do a damn thing in these playoffs that expecting him.
Yeah, bond times. Yeah, Kevin Porter Jr. gonna do a damn thing in the playoffs. I think he's out for all of round one and probably all of round two would be my guess, at least.
Yeah. Alright, so with that. Alright, so we all seem to unfortunately agree that we're not expecting him to be back. So, the Bucks are without Damian Lillard for the entirety of round one, let's just say round one. Bucks win the series without him, or million bucks if you're right, nothing if you're wrong. Well, let me tell you this, let me tell you the odds, the Bucks are, it's like a 73% chance right now that the Pacers win. 73% chance the Pacers win.
Okay. And if Dame was healthy, they put out odds where the Bucks would still be plus 120 or plus 140 and the Pacers minus 120. So the odds makers still think the Pacers are better. And I think what's happening a little bit is people are looking at the Pacers and thinking, Oh yeah, they went to the Eastern Conference Finals last year.
Sure. But they're not remembering that they beat up a broken Bucks team. And then they beat up a broken Knicks team as well. So, yeah, the Pacers can build on their Eastern Conference playoff run last year but also they trampled over injured kids to do it.
Yeah, yeah. And so I'm not too like, I'm exactly where I am with the Bucks where I was with the Brewers and the Mets. I don't think they're going to win anything.
Okay. But I would really prefer if they could just win one series. I just want to see them win one series is all that I want. To point out, Kevin Porter Jr., which was one of those deals.
Kevin Porter Jr. ain't gotta be doing a damn thing in the playoffs. I mean, your impression was... It's Wendy's reaction that does it for me.
Wendy's like, Oh, okay. Well, not really what we're getting at, but okay. Yeah. And why is Bon Temps say playoffs that way? That is a weird microcosm of NBA media where it's like, Oh, this thing that's kind of good. Like, Oh, fuck it.
Like that sucks too. Kevin Porter Jr. ain't gonna do a damn thing in the playoffs. Suckers. I do listen to the Windhorse pod somewhat regularly. The Hoop Collective? The Hoop Collective podcast. And every single time, talking Bucks or not talking Bucks, I'm really wishing that Bon Temps was not on it. I still would like to figure out why there's such an aggression towards the Milwaukee Bucks in their existence.
Kevin Porter Jr. isn't going to do a damn thing in the playoffs. And I tried to ask Bill Ryder about it, and then he got all mad at me. Yeah, he really did.
I mean, he's brighter than you sometimes. Bill Ryder's part of that whole weird thing. I don't know. That's why I asked him.
And by the way, if you guys heard, did one of you send us in our group chat? I listened to Rosillo and Simmons do their MVP thing this past. Why did I listen to it?
Yeah, just why in general? Well, it was a broader discussion. And then of course, it pivoted into like who your MVP vote is.
And then Rosillo said, like, it's Jokic. I'm not even thinking about it anymore. I was like, Whoa.
It's one of those things where, like, if the consensus is one thing for too long, which has been SGA for too long, maybe. Then you're like, I got I got to pivot. I got to pivot. Simmons posted a picture of him at the Masters, and it really pissed me off because there's guys that are like.
If you got to go to the Masters the normal way of winning a lottery and applying for 15 years. And you're like, hey, look, I'm at the Masters. I think you can share that and be proud of it. But to me, it's just like another rubbing it in thing of I'm living a more cherished life than you.
And I don't like when people do that. Yeah. What about when he was at the first Raw on Netflix and he held up his Boston Celtics sign as another one of those. Yeah, just so, so. Didn't he hold it up on his phone? When did he do that? Yeah. Wasn't that?
You guys been watching Celtic City? New episode this week about the 90s. I'm very interested.
No, thank you. Was it actually decent? I'm not watching it. I thought you said at one point you were going to. No, no, I will not be. I will not be consuming that. Is Black Mirror any good? I think I'm going to start that show. No, the Americans ruined it. Just, you know, God forbid we should just watch kind of a fun show and be like, oh, that was freaky. And then move on with our lives. We need to go read the blog about it at the ringer.
And people like Bukowski need to tweet 30 times about how well this was just I'm so I literally sorry to do this. I went home last weekend because I was I was in the cross. My girlfriend was home alone all weekend. She watched like most all of it on Saturday by herself.
White Lotus? Black Mirror. And and I said, did you like it? And she goes, yeah, I thought it was pretty fun. I really enjoyed it. But then I went and I looked at some tweets and people were so angry about it. I'm like, yeah, that that that sounds about right. That sums up television watching in 2025.
What was what are the online complaints? I watched Black Mirror many years ago, but not recently. Well, there's a new season, I guess that always freaked me out. I didn't like Black Mirror.
Every time I watch it, I think there's probably been one too many things that have been accurate since. But yeah, well, well, the daredevil finales tonight, so I'll be excited for that. Nice.
And then it's just three weeks until Thunderbolts. Yeah. Is the is the villain just he just looks at people and they disappear. Is that what's going on there? What's his name? The void century.
The void. So how do you stop that? I don't know. They're going to they're going to do what they always do.
Talk him down. Is that going to be R or PG 13? 13. Is it?
Like there's no way Captain America can beat Red Hulk. Oh, a flower. Yeah.
All right. I'll go to prison on voluntarily terms. I kind of think the Bucks will win in seven. I think it will be excruciating. I mean, no matter what happens, win or lose, it will still be an excruciating viewing experience. We had Ozarsky on earlier today and he was like, whatever happens, it'll be entertaining.
And I text him afterwards. I'm like, you say entertaining. I say excruciating. This is going to suck.
And honestly, here's I think it'll come down to you. Will the Bucks be able to win the game that they've lost the last years and that like the last two years, we've come away from a playoff loss thinking how the F did you blow that? Like, how did it was so stupid. That was so dumb.
How did you lose that? If they can win that coin flip game or two that they've lost in the first one last year, they should win the series. I just I don't know if they'll be able to do that, but I think they should. Well, you are taking the Bucks in six or seven then. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, if you're going to give me a million dollars. If you're going to give me a million dollars and I have to dart throw, get it right. I would probably take Pacers in five. I would, as if there was a million dollars on the line.
There's a million dollars on the line. You're changing your answer. Yeah, because I'd kill myself if I put they haven't won a first round series in three years.
And their second best player is Brook Lopez. Yeah. If I lost a million dollars over that, I'd kill myself. So the money changes it. I said a million dollars. You're right. Completely different question, though. Those are two different realities. I asked it with the money involved.
No, that's what you have. That's the only way I can get myself to actually answer. Because, of course, I'm going to come on here and say, yeah, I think the Bucks in six fucking parade chairs. Fuck, fuck. But I'll tell you right now.
The Milwaukee Bucks are going to do a damn thing in the playoffs. Oh, the video version of this is required for those of you who want to watch it, because, you know, I like I like when I see people and they're like. Hey, I still I still listen to the show. Yeah, I'm still doing it. Like this show.
Yeah, I like the pod. OK. We're still doing it. Yeah. Nothing changed here.
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Probably none. I just I don't I just don't think that I can like I feel like it's going to be just like the man. I mean, really, I feel like Brewers Mets is this. And is every team as because we've hated the Celtics, we've hated the Heat.
Mm hmm. Every time you play a team in the playoffs, you end up hating them. But the Pistons are a different kind of that, right?
You say the Pistons, the Pacers is what I meant. Halliburton's like he's different than. Yeah.
Tatum or hero. He's like. Just worse. He's just worse. He's I mean, a buddy of mine used the word obnoxious and I thought that was. But is it like go away, he'll he Paul, or is it just like so he knows he's a heel? No. So I think Halliburton is very confused about his face.
He'll status. I really do. I think he fancies himself and McAfee says he's the face of the NBA. Well, the Indiana guy saying that about an Indiana player. OK. McAfee's NBA content is usually just spectacularly informed. So I'm just very surprised about this take.
Not as good as Bill Simmons golf content and NFL content and Major League Baseball. So this has happened a couple of times with the Bucks, but you can't watch the Bucks play. A Kyle Lowry playoff team and not hate Kyle Lowry. Right. Like there were several instances of that. Bucks Raptors a couple of times, really, if you go back a handful of years. Is it the heat to a certain point, right? Yeah.
I'm trying to remember. There's been at least two, but I want to say three times that they've had to do like the Kyle Lowry experience. But yeah, I think the NBA is unique in that way where it is hard to watch your team play another team and then leave that and be like, I kind of like the team that beat us. There's always a player or two that makes impossible. I don't know that that's true.
I don't know that that's true. Another it's the multiple games like you lose to a team in the NFL. It's one game like I hate them, but I have less ammo.
I have less reason. The seven potential games in two weeks or whatever it is, is really everyone gets pissy. The good and bad thing about the NBA is there is so much personality that you're going to see in the course of a game. It's not just like, oh, these group of athletes played against this group of athletes. You see, feel, hear a lot of personality, which is why the NBA is a big reason why it's successful because you're not hiding under helmets and under hats and under face masks and whatever else.
Like, like here's the guy and you, you see him and the seats are close and the mics are prominent. So, but yeah, so I would see you guys both going with money on the line. You're going with the Pacers.
Yeah. I mean, if Dave's not going to play. I think if we're watching this series could only do so much. If we were Houston Rockets fans, we know just making up a team and we're watching the Bucks pacer series and you saw the starting lineup of Yanis, who is amazing. Paired with some combination of old ass, Brooke Lopez, Kevin Porter, Jr. Torian Prince, like, maybe Kuzma or like a rotation then when, like, I think if you were a fan of another team who's watching all of the playoff series, you would look at that. And yeah, Dame's not there that changes everything right that's a huge, huge chunk of their salary cap and of their talent. But you'd probably say like, there's no Yanis has to be spectacular for three games.
Spectacular for three, which he's totally capable of. Yeah, I think money on the line. I would choose the Pacers if that money was actually on the line. I mean it when I say it that I wouldn't watch.
You know, like I, there's no way I feel like I don't want to watch this is going to be. Yeah, like my, my level of excitement for the NBA playoffs is high. Yes, but for the Milwaukee Bucks.
Low. I was like, because they play at noon on Saturday and we're trying to figure out when to visit family for Easter and I'm, and I'm like well we got to plan around that and I'm doing it like half heartedly like, we got to plan around the Bucks game. Yeah. Well, I think we've had this conversation but I like the NBA more than I like the Bucks. I love the Bucks, but I love the NBA more, whereas that's not true of baseball, I'm a much bigger Brewers fan than I am Major League Baseball fan about football.
Yeah, so the one I always say is always say it's kind of like a tie. So I like NBA more than bucks Brewers more than MLB and then Packers and NFL is sort of. If the Packers didn't exist I'd probably watch the NFL no less and in fact enjoy it more.
I think it's, I think I'm Packers fan 10 out of 10, and an NFL fan 10 out of 10, I don't think one has anything to do with the other, right, the NFL is just a spectacular. God it's the balls, it really is really so I guess unfortunately, I would take the Pacers. If million dollars on the line, and again with the preface that there's no name for the whole series, which, if they lose both games in Indiana, down Oh two and they come back to Milwaukee and name is back.
I mean, can they win four out of five. Maybe this sucks. This sucks, ass, I'm sick of doing this every April, like well if they could just get to game three if they could feel so similar it and repetitive sitting in the exact same goddamn place. Bango wasn't buying, I feel like we were just here, I feel like we were, and I just woke up, and my team is in the playoffs against the same team and we're waiting on medical updates for the same guy like this sucks. Yeah, it's not really a take, I just want to complain.
Yeah, no, you're right sucks. But I will say the bucks have the best draw that they could have had in the circumstances that they were in, you, I would much I feel much better Dame or no Dame, that the path to the Eastern Conference Finals is Pacers calves, as opposed to Nick's Celtics Nick Celtics, you have no chance. If your first two series are Nick Celtics, and you get past the next night like what you know you play Boston, you have a 0% chance of making the Eastern Conference Finals. If you have Nick's and then Celtics zero with or without Dame 0% you're not winning both those series back to back. Because even if you beat the Knicks they will grind you to like the, you will feel it.
And then you have to play Boston, Indiana, and then Cleveland Cleveland's great Cleveland could easily sweep the box and, but for whatever reason I feel more confident about that hypothetical series, even though I think Cleveland could be Boston, some of that might just be like residual damage of watching the Celtics and hating the Celtics style of basketball but so I'm going to take the Pacers but I also am optimistic about an unlikely but possible path to the Eastern Conference Finals, where of course they would inevitably. Not when that series but it is what it is. It just feels like when the first round series this thing is a success.
Because I think anything past now feels very hopeless. Well, let's say that let's play that out. Like, I feel like you just did. I feel like you just played that out.
No, but no, no, no, no play out the next step. What does this off season look like, I know we're not there and there's a lot to go, but like a lot of people a lot of people seem to want but back. I want Taylor Jenkins is why NBA people are so it's so they're so they're so dumb.
They're so dumb. They spent two years screaming and kicking about how but needs to get fired and then they spent the next two years screaming kicking about how but never should have been fired and then he gets fired by Phoenix and everyone's like, well, let's talk about everything else. But anyway, my understanding is that the only way that this is irrelevant because they're not going to hire bootenholzer back but the only way that he doesn't get his $40 million bootenholzer doesn't get the 40 million from Phoenix for the next four years is if he works.
I think he's kind of a hippie he should just go live in northern Arizona where he's from, but I think his wine cellar. I think like even two years he takes a job. He doesn't get the full. You sure?
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure he can't double dip like he's Yeah, like people are saying he's getting paid by the bucks and he's not though like he might be getting a little like like a little something from the box but when you take that next job that that stops, like if he got this part I don't know, I'm pretty confident like the contract then is well you were under contract through 2028. Now you're taking a contract in 2027 with this other team and I think there's, I don't think you can like I get 10 million from the sons and 10 million from the whatever, like I don't, it's not how it works.
$40 million for the next four years. I would completely disappear. I would absolutely like would disappear for 40 grand a year. That's not true but you get my point like you that's all you want to do is disappear.
And yet you have such a public facing job, which is just, I know but I want to, I don't want to be like one of these guys that retire. Skip and then they tweet, mostly retired in your Twitter bio. I would, I would like. I don't know, I'll be like I want to disappear than something would something would grind any bar to 230 in the morning and I know I'd be tweeting I would deactivate delete. I'd be completely off social media. I would know nothing. Would we do this just for giggles and friendship. We can post it, we could do three of us can say we should do like a, like a modern thing like it's like a podcast but there's no mics, and there's no, there's no phones it's just like long form conversation with the eyes in a room.
I swear I saw something recently that someone said this on ironically grand yeah i think i know you're talking about, what is it, I don't remember what it's from but I'm pretty sure I just saw something that somebody always see the quote tweets like bro just thinks he invented hanging out. Exactly. Okay. We have 10 minutes, I came away from that not knowing if we are more or less positive or negative about the bucks, I don't know if we just learned anything there, did we, I mean if they Scott swept I wouldn't be surprised, I think there's, I'm not, I have no joy. I feel no joy. I feel no hope.
I feel no excitement. And I mean, you know, some of it is because I don't think the chances of this year are great, but also it just, I just saw this. I just saw this. I liked your tweet about the Brewers today. Mine. Yeah. Yeah, that's my that's my lead tonight. That's what I'm, that's my, that's my a block.
What did you say that. Basically, we traded away these guys for this. Yeah, it's like you traded away your best starter and your best reliever in subsequent off seasons, you don't have shit to show for it like no wonder the teams like yeah this team seems like they're missing something Yeah, no wonder you traded away Corbin burns and Devin Williams and you. The best thing you got in return is Joey Ortiz whose best trade is he can play every day, and that's it, like he's out straight, who do we trade hater for Robert Gasser. No, no, no, no, it was the Nielsen lament. And one of the Rogers twins. That was it. Yeah, but then they know Bart was right Gosser wasn't it Gosser was in that trade.
Okay. Where is he. He has Tommy john. He was pitching pretty well last year before he was pitching very well before he got hurt last year, but then Ruiz. So, I mean the Ruiz part is important.
Yeah, you know where he is now. No. You see who picked them up. No, yes, yep. He's on their major league roster.
I think minor leagues, they're gonna. That is just collecting infinity stones. Smart.
But anyway, yeah, just for people who forgot Ruiz got you Contreras, so. Do you hear what Anna's went to the doctor. What he said the doctor said, Oh, geez, I didn't realize there were seven. And then famous goes what he goes well you also have the kidney stone.
I knew that that was going to be a kidney stone joke but I won't lie to you I thought it would be funnier. I don't think I said it right. I don't think there is a way to say it right. I'm hoping you didn't.
Yeah, I think there is a way to say it right. Speaking of stone, you see that Fox wanted to get rid of Rob Stone for Reese Davis. No. Big noon kickoff. That was a big media story. I'm just horrified by this male reporter on the Braves broadcast flirting with women. If a woman reporter had done that, probably would have been deported.
Actually, forget fired, she'd be sent away from the country. How do you how should I appreciate, or what do I do when you feel like, let's say, let's say there's a big sports media conference happening. And let's say it's within driving distance of where you live.
And you could probably pay for your own way and not be a big deal you won't have to worry. And then let's say some of the biggest names in sports get selected to talk at this conference. And you're thinking, Oh, well, I mean, I, I think highly of my talent and myself but I'm not on the level of these guys. And then let's say over the next three months, announcements start coming out about who's speaking at this conference. And then there's a string of announcements where it's like, these guys are pretty much like me now.
At what point do I get offended that I'm not asked, do I talk to the organizers and say, I don't know if you forgot I exist or not but I mean I am a nationally syndicated talk show host on 300 stations. This is hypothetical. Let's say it is. Hypothetically, in this scenario, this pretend scenario. Do you think it's one of like is this like a bridge you burned or is this just.
No, I just don't think that the conference, hypothetically thinks that I'm anybody. I think the, the people on the other side of the river just forgot about this bridge, they, they, they don't think about this bridge, or they, they forgot that the bridges are. But then let's say at some point they remember the bridges there and they're like, Oh, I love that bridge.
Well, let's say they do someday. Okay, okay, sure, sure, sure. So then like next year or two years down the road, let's say I'm asked, plant a seed now, do I just go do I just be like, yes, I'm honored to go or do I be like, No, fuck you, man. There's so much to say about this if this wasn't if this was a microphone free podcast experience. This is just a living room long form conversation. It's just these are see, I told my wife the other day that I feel like a lot of the things that I have an issue with. I feel like I'm the architect of my own dismay.
I'm creating it. Yeah, or I could just like not let it bother me. Yeah.
Yeah. I kind of like your. Did you come up with architect of your own dismay, or does she sounds like a Postal Service song. Very emo there's the architect. Don't you guys think it's kind of horseshit that Charlie XCX was wearing a t shirt saying she should be headlining her night of Coachella instead of Green Day. I love how social media like came back to like, Hey, we all loved brat but pipe down like you have one. Hey, let's let's do this.
Be like, across the reflecting pond. I sat the architect. It's kind of a decent Ben Gibbard but of my dismay. Hey, let's do this recording let's turn off the mics grant can say everything that will turn them back on. Alright, so we'll be back in five minutes to get grants phone number grant. I sure am glad that we turned off the mics for that.
Yeah, me too. Pretty good. Thanks Tim for editing that and post 10 in post we haven't had that bit in a while. Okay, I gotta go I dropped it the other night.
On Friday. You said it on your show. Yeah, Austin sent me a message he heard it. Edit that and post him because I was fuck I couldn't speak I go just edit that and post him.
Just knowing nobody gave a shit but Austin heard as pumped. That's awesome. That's awesome. Here's my Packers question, we'll probably do something just before the draft next week. You're likely you are anticipating your likely reaction to the Packers first round pick to be something in the vicinity of. Okay.
Or. Well, so I don't like I don't feel it for the box playoffs and I'm not feeling it for the Packers draft either really Oh my goodness I'm excited I'm into the playoffs, is this is this national perspective, different battlefield, like I'm totally into the top 10 and who goes where. But what am I supposed to do about, like, I was on Herman show the other day and he goes, Who do you think the Packers are going to take and I'm like, So I went looked at a mock draft quick and saw that they were selected to take some cornerback and I took a different quarterback that was two slots down because that's usually what happens right, right, Johnny Baker, whoever Stewart Hairston out of Kentucky Hairston's the one that I keep, although we're getting some character flaws there though might be off the track Packers board, and he's too thin course.
Yes, I took, I think, well, they don't need a lot. What they need is a non sexy position, which is why I'm just kind of going in there's like they're gonna my recipe, even an edge rusher. Pretty sexy position those are the guys who go tackle the problem, the problem is at the top I don't think where they are, like in the past we could have got one but then we took daytone Jones or whatever the fuck well and I think part of it too is like corner is a flashy position edge is a flashy position, but the Packers have done it so many times in the recent history, where it's never just like wow that was an instant home run pick. What a great job by the front office, you know I mean like more often than not, it's like, Rashaan Gary going from year three to year four and grant saying like I just don't see it and then then that's going from year two to year three and that's being like, I don't know is the card has said daytone Jones every year for the last 10 years. Lucas I've done a complete 180 on Lucas van Ness couldn't be a more respectful, a young man, I had the pleasure of meeting him last week and now I will be banging the Lucas van Ness drum. I want to get his contact information. Is that like when I met della vedova. I didn't know that you met I don't remember this.
I was at a box media day I did a one on one with him I'm like, yeah, I don't like you from the Warriors Cavs series. Oh, you told him that. Did you really. He laughed. Oh, you did tell him good for you.
Yeah, well I told him I got my brother works at the golden thing. Yeah, okay. So, Bart you seem aligned with me where you're expecting your reaction to be like, okay, grant, I'm expecting what it's going to be a lot of from a lot of people is what we what happens is nobody cares or knows, but by Tuesday. All of Packer Twitter will agree on a guy. Yeah, it won't be that guy that guy will be there. The Packers won't take him Cooper did gene, and then you'll get everybody that's covering the Packers, sort of like, not necessarily being a PR wing for the Packers, but trying to convince you about it being a good pick as they're trying to convince themselves.
Like with Jordan Morgan, I mean that pic was terrible. Speaking of Packers people I did listen to an interview with a Packers person on a radio show in the state of Wisconsin today and when asked about buzz for a certain player he wanted to make it abundantly clear that there's lots of bug among buzz among Packers fans not about, not with me, but among Packers fans there's a lot of buzz. So, yes, to your point was not always a player.
Uh, it was, I think just wide receivers in general. And he's too above thinking they should take a wide receiver, it's not a fan. His job is to cover the team his job isn't to cheer for any outcome.
That's not true. They cheer for good they cheer for good stories, no overtime, although when I talked with Chris Myers at the Super Bowl this last year he said he always pick it up, he always cheers for overtime because that means the game is good. I think Paul, I think this year is the best chance we have in a while, and actually being happy about the pick because I think in this draft and Bart you talk about this from a national perspectives means because I think once you clear Carter and Hunter. It's no holds bar for the rest of the first round I think the guy who goes at six could be just as good as the guy who goes at 2511 to 20 like I think once you get past those first two or three people. I think it's just up in the air and I think teams have all different valuations on all these guys and there's a bunch of good address there's a bunch of wide receivers and I don't think there's a consensus order on any of them so I think it's going to be fun.
And as long as the Packers take edge rusher receiver, I think I'm going to be happy and if all those guys are off the board that means they're going to get like an awesome tackle or an awesome corner which I'll live with like I won't be mad about that. Does that make sense. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm not expecting. I mean the thing that would be truly like, or they took Jackson dart. Okay, so I wouldn't be thrilled with that. Well, but but the best time to take a quarterback is when you don't need one. Yeah, yeah, I would say I'm expecting of course nothing, the most flashy realistic thing that would happen is that they do draft a receiver.
What if, what if should do or was there would you take them. No, no. If, I mean, honestly, like, I could get all day lead with that tonight grant. If she do or wasn't. Screw the Brewers talk if she do or wasn't Sanders, is he. I mean, how different is the conversation should do or Smith. How different is the conversation. Good question. I think it's better in his favor. No. I mean, I know what you're saying a lot of things he can do that you can't teach.
But there's some flaws. I don't like that they retired his number that's stupid. That was very strange, especially when they've never done that for like the cordell stewart or David boxy Ari, the championship to well box yaris team was dog shit but like the cordell stewart teams won the championship. Box yari I remember like I was covering the team that and like the Colorado team was like three and 10 every year he was there.
I don't know if I can name one other person that ever went to Colorado. No old clap. Wow, Joe clap. All right, well next week we will pick our first round pick for the Packers, and we will all agree on it and they will not take that person. Absolutely. All right. How much time do you think I'll be in traffic if I'm in Green Bay.
More time than what you were on the air for 50%. Are you driving to and from just on Thursday. Yeah.
You're gonna drive home at one o'clock in law situation. Oh yeah okay okay. No, but my shows only from I'm on from seven to 11. Oh, I do the tag team with Jr. Oh, that's sweet. But then Friday I'm right back at the studio from nine to one like a real schmuck will Jr. Is he coming down.
No, we'll just be okay. Yeah. Yeah, he said the credential but he was wearing a hat too and didn't get a good one in time so just right. Everyone was asking me only you send a draft. I asked you if you're going to the draft.
I know it's just one person after another my mom, my old babysit Mark Murphy last week so it's just everyone wants to know if I'm going to be. I took a picture with Mark Murphy, he was, he was all by himself they had like a VIP mingle area, but I was working the event so they you know they brought a couple of us down just to take pictures, I just wanted the pictures honestly, you can talk to them what am I gonna say just I want the picture. Well tell me you're an owner.
I did. I said you know welcome to lacrosse we're happy to have you because I feel like ambassador for the town, and he was over at the buffet line, all by himself he had just talked to Scott Emmerich who was I was excited to talk with him as much as any packer. And I'm like hey can I get a picture and he had like a plate of food and he sat it down and like my co workers like hey you got a little like he had some cheese sauce on his face that he had to wipe off before he took the picture like actually the most regular guy who's just been tasked with being an NFL owner which is pretty funny to me. I told you guys, like, I always liked Mark Murphy. It was great.
I think he's a good guy. All right, well, with that I think we're done. Bye bye strong to the finish line is always gentlemen. Thank you. See you guys. See ya. Thanks for stopping into the Winkler verse.
