Special Counsel Jack Smiths Disturbing History Targeting Conservatives

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They also have exclusive content on our website. You can find it at ACLJ.org. We'll be right back on Secular. Mr. President, it is a privilege and an honor to have you on Sean's broadcast, and especially for me as someone that served as your lawyer for so many years. I still consider myself emeritus in this situation. I have never seen, Jordan said this, Mr. President, is the truth, so much coming at, you know, I thought during the four years you were in when we had to handle the Russia hoax and the Mueller nonsense and the Ukraine and all of the nonsense that we dealt with. And then you are now running again for President. You're leading the Republican nomination by light years at this point. And now we see the entire wheel of justice in a two-tiered justice system focusing like a laser beam.

I'm going to dissect all of that, what that means in a moment. But the tenacity that you've had to stand for with this and still press forward is, frankly, Mr. President, again, amazing. Well, they're only coming after because, number one, I'm running, and number two, I'm leading by a lot, including Biden. Just had a poll come out, we're leading him by ten points in one poll, which who wouldn't lead him?

I think a child would be leading him. He's so bad. He's the worst President we've ever had.

He's the most corrupt President. And, you know, when you mentioned the four indictments, they're Biden indictments. They're not indictments. They're Biden indictments.

That's my opponent. My political opponent set those indictments up. That's not like a third party indicting somebody for doing something wrong. These are Biden indictments. There's never been anything like it. It's a third world banana republic.

That's what we've been reduced to between the open borders and the crooked elections. So, you know, I always say to people, no, these aren't indictments. These are Biden indictments.

They set it up. And beyond that, you have the district attorney who's totally controlled in New York, who's totally controlled by the DOJ, which is the Bidens group. And you have in Florida, you have a you have a district attorney who is totally controlled again by Biden's group. These are all Biden. So it's like many indictments.

And, you know, the word at the Wharton School of Finance, I never studied it. But I got a lot of them quickly. But these are done by the political opponent. These aren't legitimate indictments. First of all, we are operating like a third world country.

And I could take it to two levels on that. Number one, they've criminalized the practice of law because a lot of people that have been indicted here were lawyers representing clients, including you, that presented legal positions. And for that, they find themselves, you know, criminally charged. We don't do that in the United States or we used to not do that. And then, of course, so they've criminalized the practice of law and then they've weaponized the Department of Justice.

And let me give a for instance, Mr. President, something you can relate to, something I can relate to. So we find out that Jack Smith, the so-called special counsel, comes and has his number two, Jay Bratt, go over to the Biden White House counsel's office to meet and confer about these indictments on you. Now, could you imagine what the media would have been saying if we were doing that when I was representing you and the other lawyers that we had representing you and we're meeting with the Department of Justice in that kind of context? It would have never happened.

We wouldn't have done it. But they did it without apology. They did it and they did much worse than that. They also offered judgeships to lawyers representing clients. Can you imagine that? If you'll say something bad about Donald Trump, they offered a judgeship to a very respected lawyer, highly respected, and he was incensed when he heard it.

If his client would go and say negative things, anything negative about Donald Trump, how about that one? And that's Jay Bratt that did that. It's a disgrace what's going on. Our country is like a failing nation. We are truly a failing nation. And we're going to get it straightened out, Jay.

That's why I do this. But if I weren't running or if I was in last place or third place or any place, frankly, other than who I am, we're beating Biden by a lot and we have to because otherwise our country doesn't have a chance. Mr. President, for me, this is Jordan. I've got young kids and that's why this election cycle is so important to me because these last four years, I can't take another four more years like that or if this becomes the political norm. And I know that we need someone who will go back to Washington and take the fight to Washington. You've paid the price already. You're paying the price even outside of office for taking the fight to Washington. But I know for my kids' sake and my family's sake, we have to have someone with your experience, with your background, that is going to get back in there and continue to drain that swamp.

We know they're going to come back and fight like with alligators and crocodiles and whatever else you find in a swamp. But I know if we got another round at it, we can get it done. Well, just think of it. I mean, you were there and you guys fought and Jordan is brilliant and happens to be your son.

And you're right. And he's also a lot taller than you, which is a very interesting situation. Look at Jordan. How tall are you, Jordan, by the way?

About 6'3". Yeah, because he's slightly- His mother's genes, Mr. President. Let me just put it that way. No, no, I'm very impressed. Okay, but he's got that good brain and you guys did a great job. You know, we have no choice but to turn it around. Your father was very much involved and you were less so, but it helped, Jordan, having to do with the perfect phone call.

I call it the perfect phone call. Well, now with time, it's even more perfect because I was right 100%. I said, any information on corruption, please call the attorney general of the United States. It turned out to be that they were totally corrupt and it had to do with Hunter Biden.

It had to do with the whole mess that now has blown up all over Washington. And even the fake news media, which doesn't want to report it, they're even starting to report it because it's so bad. But you were involved in that, Jay, and who would have thought it would have turned out to be this bad? You know what? It's horrifying in the sense of where we are as a country that political opponents, and that's what this is, this is obviously political show trials.

That's what these are. And I go back to the beginning days, Mr. President, when we were in the Oval Office in the very beginning and we were talking about the FISA court and they were changing letters that they were submitting. Lawyers were changing words of emails in order to get FISA warrants and it just compounded and compounded. And then we found out recently that the head of counterintelligence that was actually on Mueller's team, one of the ones on Mueller's team, has ended up pleading guilty to being in collusion, if we want to use their words, with the Russian oligarch while he was investigating you.

This is what's so absurd about where it's coming. Now they put it on hyperdrive because they're willing to take out, or try to, it's not going to work, to take out the leading Republican candidate and then also penalize the lawyers so that lawyers become afraid to represent their client. That's very dangerous for America.

But think of that for your audience. The head of the FBI, one of the top people who was in charge of the investigation of President Trump, turned out that he was involved with Russia, OK? He was in charge of the Russian investigation and he turned out that he was involved with Russia. And now he was just, I'm actually surprised they did anything about it, but they are going after him. That's almost too corrupt even for them to believe, but you know what?

There's nothing too corrupt because these are the most corrupt people in the history of our country. So when people say, does it bother you, I say, listen, these are Biden administration indictments. And now I say to you, if they're allowed to do this, if I should win the election, am I allowed to say, oh, gee, somebody is going to be running against me, let me damage him permanently. Let's indict him for something because you can indict people for anything. Let's indict him for something. Let me indict my political opponent so that he won't be able to run.

The difference is I have a very big platform and I'm able to get the word out and explain just like we're explaining it now. But can you imagine if in a couple of years I see somebody who's gaining a little strength and I say, let's indict him to put him back where he belongs, because that's exactly what they're doing. And it's never happened in this country before. It's happened in other countries, but they're banana republics. It is pretty bleak when you look at what's going on, when you look at energy costs and you look at that horrible withdrawal, the way they withdrew, because I was withdrawing, too, but we were doing it with dignity and strength from Afghanistan.

When you look at Russia going into Ukraine, there was no reason. So we're up to two hundred and twenty five billion dollars and Europe is at 20 billion dollars. And think of that. We're at we're at 225. Europe's at 20. Here we go again.

That was like NATO when they were we were paying the cost, almost the full cost of NATO. It's so crazy. We have people that they truly don't know what they're doing.

They're destroying our country. But I'm doing this because and you've seen it happen and I did it. Actually, I did it twice. I did it pre COVID.

We had the greatest country economically and in every other way ever just prior to COVID. And then I had to do it again. I did it a second time. But what we're going to do is make America great again and we can do it and we will do it and we'll do it fast, very fast. You know, Mr. President, I had you know, I had the privilege when I had up the American Center for Law and Justice and we had a pastor that was in jail during the Obama administration. And I want to remind people of the fact that we had these Americans that were hostages and that you got them released and we held these governments accountable.

I've never seen anything like it. The way in which you negotiated quickly for a resolution. You didn't put money on the table. You just got them out. I got 58 out. 58 hostages out. By the way, some from North Korea, as you know. One unfortunately was very badly, badly hurt when it came out. He was badly, barely alive, as you know, is a very sad case. But I got the four hostages out from North Korea.

But we got 58 total. Pastor Brunson, a wonderful guy. They said he was espionage. He was a spy. And he was helping people over there. He was a quality guy. Great guy. I hope you speak to him. Give him my regards. But I was honored. But I was told that you couldn't do it.

That you had to go through a court system. I called President Erdogan and we got him out. I said, President, you got a call. That was some phone call. That was a great phone call. That should go down on the annals of Presidential history. You said you were going to make him the most famous pastor since Billy Graham.

I'll never forget that line. And boy, three days later, he's on a flight back to the United States. Mr. President, again, thank you for being on with us. You know that on the legal issues, we're looking at every single one of them. That's a two-tiered legal system. This idea that they're trying to bring a trial the day before Super Tuesday just shows you how political it is.

And we're thinking of every constitutional motion to bring. Thank you for taking time for being with us. Thank you both very much. I appreciate it. Thank you. All right, welcome back to SecHeal. We're taking your phone calls to 1-800-684-3110.

That's 1-800-684-3110. We're now joined by Congressman Jim Jordan as well, who chairs the House Judiciary Committee. And Congressman Jordan, I want to go right to you, because you are demanding an unredacted information on Hunter Biden's special counsel appointment.

There are so many bizarre moves now from David Weiss and his team. It seems like, Congressman Jordan, this is the time for Congress to get some real answers on what is going on here. Why do we need a special counsel when the investigation was already completed? And by definition, the investigation was completed because they'd entered a plea agreement. They went to the judge.

Now, thank goodness the court and the judge said this plea agreement's bogus. But why do you need a special counsel now, after four years, when you'd already had a plea deal in front of the court? The time for a special counsel, frankly, was probably January 20th, 2021, at about 1202, when Joe Biden takes the oath of office and the Justice Department says, oh, we've been investigating his son, his father is now President of the United States. Maybe that's a situation that would warrant a special counsel.

They should have named it then. Not now, when we're figuring out just how bad this investigation has been run, thanks to those two brave whistleblowers who came forward a few months ago. You know, Jim, this is Jay. We're representing some of those whistleblowers, and they've used the phrase crushed by the FBI, because they're put in this unbelievable situation where their security clearances are basically suspended, and they're not getting paid, and they can't take outside work. You look at this and you say to yourself, you know, between what's happening there and what you're dealing with, with this so-called special counsel, and you know my view on special counsel. I don't like them. I don't like the whole process. It always ends up messy.

This is going to be no exception as you're learning, as you know firsthand from your experience. But if you look at that, then I combine it with the judges that are all throwing the trials on Donald Trump in March, you know, the day before Super Tuesday. The country is looking like a laughing stock here. Yeah, and then they do it because they can't. I mean, that's the arrogance and the power that they use for their political purposes is, as you say, just completely frightening.

Yeah, I'm frustrated by it all, and we've said this for a long time. You guys said it for a long time, that there's a double standard. There's not equal application of the law. And the country sees that, and that's not supposed to be the way it works in America, the greatest nation ever, but it's exactly what's happening. We shouldn't be surprised, though, that they're retaliating against FBI agents. They are retaliating against these IRS agents who came forward because a Justice Department, a DOJ, and an FBI who will spy on a Presidential campaign, who will say parents are terrorists who show up at school board meetings, who will say that pro-life Catholics are extremists, who will do the things they've done. We shouldn't be surprised that they retaliate against the very people who come forward.

And tell us about those issues and those things that were going on in the Justice Department. That's how bad it's gotten, and it's why it's so important that we win the White House in the next election, and I'm hoping that individual is going to be President Trump. And they're hoping it's not, let me tell you. I mean, as you know, I've represented this guy for a long time now, and they are hoping it's not. And they're hoping it's not by doing everything they can between these special counsels and the hearing dates. But I want to talk about what you're doing, because a lot of the American people are really counting on you, Congressman Jordan, and your committees to get to the bottom of this. And how confident are you that we're going to get some real answers here?

I think we will. We've already got some changes made. I mean, the fact that the IRS announced four weeks ago that they will no longer send agents unannounced to Americans' homes, that's because we caught them doing that. When Matt Taibbi was testifying in front of our committee, and the Democrats are asking to divulge their sources, he's giving them an election on the First Amendment. While all that's going on, the IRS was knocking on his door, for goodness sakes. So because we brought that to light, I think that's through now.

Danny Warfalda, the commissioner, says, oh, no, no, it's because we're concerned about the safety of our agents. Baloney, you did it because we caught you doing things arrogantly, aggressively against the American people. So I'm confident we're going to get to the bottom of this. I also feel like, and the Speaker has been clear about this, I do think it's likely we move to an impeachment inquiry.

The facts keep building up here on this Biden business operation, the ties to Burisma, what we learned in the Devin Archer deposition. I do think that's looking more and more likely. And the Speaker said if that's where our oversight takes us, we will go there. I do think that we have Merrick Garland coming in on September 20th. We're going to get to the bottom of some of this stuff dealing with David Weiss. The Justice Department said David Weiss. They've committed to us that he will be in front of the Judiciary Committee late September, early October. We'll see if they honor that commitment now that they named him special counsel.

But we're going to keep working to get the facts. And your colleagues over in the Senate, Senator Grassley, Senator Lankford, have also sent a letter to Christopher Wray saying, you know, basically, you know, you made all these statements, many of which were incorrect. You need to come back and correct the record.

So that's good news. Go ahead, Jordan. How did it feel, Congressman Jordan, to see that David Weiss, while he was U.S. attorney, now special counsel, his team felt like they couldn't directly respond to you, that he had to get preclearance. If you had questions, that Congress had questions for him and his team, that they had to go to the Department of Justice and get the answers from them. That they did not feel like they had the authority to answer your questions directly, even though they were appointed to these unique positions. Yeah, and even though Merrick Garland, the attorney general, said they did have the full authority. Now, everything was strange about this. I wrote them on February 23rd asking why there wasn't a special counsel in this situation.

Again, not saying that there had to be, but just if ever there was a situation that warranted one, this seems like it would be one. And they didn't respond. No letter.

Now, you know how this works, guys. Whenever the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, writes the attorney general of the United States, you always get a response back. It may not be what you like, it may take them a while, but you get a response. No response. I wrote them again, they didn't respond again, but they had David Weiss respond. So, that is all strange. And the things, the changing story from David Weiss, June 7th, he said he had the complete authority to determine when, where, and whether to bring charge.

And then on June 30th, he wrote me again and says, well, I stand by what I wrote, but I want to expand. I can only bring charges in my district. Well, which one is it?

You can only bring charges in your district or you can bring them anywhere. They've been all over the map. And now, of course, that same guy has been named the special counsel, which makes no sense to anyone. It really doesn't. Congressman Jordan, we appreciate everything you're doing. Thank you. We appreciate working with you and your team and keep up the great work for the American people. Same. You do the same. Thanks.

Very good. Folks, I want to say this. Jim, Jordan, they've got change and we work very closely.

It's important for him to point that out, too. Yeah, they have gotten change and we have gotten results. It's like when we went after the IRS, you get results. And when we get information in these foyers, we're able to get it to Congress.

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We are taking your phone calls to 1-800-684-3110. This headline, The Wall Street Journal, it's in their opinion page by their editorial board. It's Trump's Super Tuesday trial date.

I just want to read the first paragraph to you because I think it really highlights what we've been talking about today in a succinct way. When Donald Trump won the Republican Presidential nomination in 2016, he spent Super Tuesday barnstorming Columbus, Ohio and Louisville, Kentucky, holding his signature rallies. Next year, Mr. Trump might be stuck in a defendant's chair at the federal courthouse in Washington, D.C., and how the public will respond is anybody's guess, Dad. I mean, but they've made a political decision here, throwing these chips on the table to say, all right, indicting him hasn't worked. That's only made him more popular. So maybe if we could get him in the defendant's chair and off the campaign trail, we could end him politically. So what do you think about that? You know, I think if people really see through what they are doing here, it could benefit Donald Trump. The problem is the mainstream middle-of-the-road voters that you do have to convince, not in the Republican primary, but in the general election to win, who might say, you know what, this person's got way too much going on to run for President of the United States.

How can they possibly be focused? Now I will tell you again, I think that alone to me, I wish I keep kind of brainstorming through my mind how you could challenge that based off this being like a political act by a judge, because it's like, I wish you could FOIA their letters back and forth about what date you want to choose. Let's choose the day before. By the way, she acknowledged that she's talking to the judges in New York. Oh yeah. Judge Jenkins. So let's go ahead and take a phone call at 1-800-684-3110. Henry's been holding for a while. Let's take his call. Henry, go ahead. You're on the air. I'm here?

Yeah. Well, all I wanted to do was make a comment about the fact that, you know, Trump's already a proven deal. If they tie him up in court, that'll be the final nail in the coffin of the Democrats and anybody else. He's not in on the field. He is the field.

There's nobody else that's even going to come close. And his base, which is in the tens of millions, we're not going to be buffaloed or lied to. Even Democrats are coming alive and realizing. I think you're a hundred percent correct, Henry, as it relates to the primary, okay?

I do. My concern is, let's face it, in a general election, neither Republican nor Democrat is going to be a runaway. It's going to come down to five or six states and you're going to have to get some people that are on the fence. And does this distraction hurt them? I think it's so political that people will see through it and it is outrageous. I agree. I think it's outrageous.

I think it's unconstitutional. Now how those motions are going to be made is what we're all trying to scratch our head right now for figuring out. But this is a very troubling development.

There is no doubt about that. And politically, you said we're in unknown territory, Jordan, you think? I really do believe we are in an area where we just, you can't predict because I can predict the indictments helping him. I can't predict what it's going to be like if he can't be on the campaign trail. If people will rally behind him in that effort, maybe he will in the Republican primary.

But how much damage it does to the general election remains to be seen. We are going to have to really convince people about what we've been talking about here, that this is a political persecution prosecution where it looks like they are literally looking at the calendar and saying, what date would be the worst for Donald Trump politically? Let's do, let's schedule all the court dates then. I mean, you had Fannie— Because she's got to prep before the trial. So if it starts March 3rd or 4th, he's prepping for a month.

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We are taking your phone calls to 1-800-684-3110, that's 1-800-684-3110. Our senior analyst Tulsi Gabbard joining us now to discuss some issues too. We'll take calls on politics as well throughout the show.

We got a lot more coming up today on the broadcast. But Tulsi, news out of Ukraine, because we now have that former prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was fired famously by Joe Biden, who said, listen, you don't either fire him today or the billion dollars, you're not going to get a billion dollars, sounded like a quid pro quo. And he was ultimately fired. And there was this whole story that, oh, his firing had nothing to do with Burisma. In fact, the problem was he wasn't going after the corruption in Burisma. Now he's done interviews where he directly says, Tulsi, he was fired because of his investigation into Burisma and what the Bidens were doing in Ukraine.

Jordan, you know, it would be easy for some people, and I think some Democrats are using the line, Democrats in Washington, well, this is a matter of like he said, he said, it's one word against the other. And of course, they're going to go with the word of the Biden family. But what's what's becoming very real is there are multiple pieces of evidence and documents that Congress was asking for for months, if not longer, that actually point to a very specific timeline that proves what that prosecutor is saying to be true. He was actively investigating Burisma. We had Devin Archer working for Burisma going and trying to get the Biden administration to act and shut this guy down.

And what happened? It's not a coincidence. It cannot be a coincidence that President Biden went to Ukraine to fire this prosecutor who was going after the business that Hunter Biden was working for. This is such a clear point, Jordan, to the great threat, the imminent threat that we face in this country, which is political powers.

The Democrat elite are using and abusing their power by turning the Department of Justice against their political opponents, very specifically President Donald Trump, to try to make it so voters don't even have the option to to choose him and to protect their own, to protect Hunter Biden, to protect President Biden and their family and and, frankly, protect voters from seeing how corrupt they actually are. This is what is the most dangerous thing, because they're turning the United States of America into a banana republic through their actions. You know, Tulsi, I said something very similar just a few minutes ago. If you look at the situation right now, you've got the Ukraine situation and what was going on there and and the money going into Hunter Biden and all that.

OK. I mean, it reeks of corruption, no question. And I did the impeachment that was involving Ukraine. And I mean, everybody knows Ukraine has got corruption issues.

This is not new. But if you were looking at the United States right now from another country and saying, OK, you got a former President of the United States who is the leading candidate right now for the Republican Party for President for 2024, and he has four federal four criminal cases against him. And all four of them want to have the trial in March, the day before Super Tuesday.

You ran for President, so you know how significant that date is. You think to yourself, geez, that's going to look pretty political. But the Justice Department, like you said, the judges are going along with this like this is OK. And the problem is it's not OK. Fixing it is very difficult. But this is looking horrible for us on the global stage right now, in my view.

What do you think? Yeah, Jay, Jay, I couldn't agree more when I saw the news come out, I think it was yesterday that March 4th was the day that they chose. It is so transparent, regardless of political affiliation or political agreements or disagreements. Anyone who's looking at what's happening with clear eyes and an open mind can recognize how how overtly they are trying to keep President Trump off of the campaign trail, to keep him away from being able to make his case to voters in this country of why they should elect him as President and commander in chief once again. They're afraid that he actually could win, which is why they are they are committing this such egregious abuse of power that cuts so much deeper than just going after President Trump, because what they're really doing is setting this precedent that puts the United States of America not on a high platform of of trying to be an example of democracy to the world, but of reducing our great country to none other than a banana republic and an abuse of power that we see happening in other countries around the world.

Can I ask you this, because you've had this experience, you ran for President, you were very successful within in the Democratic Party, you were the you clearly were the one rising and then they, you know, they kind of put their sights on you. But explain to people what it's like, say, five weeks before Super Tuesday, because, you know, you don't just walk into federal, I'll say from my end, you don't just walk into federal court when you're the defendant and start prepping about it the day before. So what do you do and say a month out of Super Tuesday? Well, Jay, you look at when the first first voting will take place in Iowa, it will likely be in early to mid January. So the elections will already be starting when you look at. Yes, you don't just show up in court one day without any preparation, but you look at from when voting begins with the caucuses in Iowa in January. And that span between those first votes being cast and Super Tuesday on March 5th is critical. It's what sets the front runners apart from those who say, hey, maybe this is not this is not working out for me. So to be able to tie President Trump up in multiple court cases, multiple legal battles during that critical period in time is is their intent is to be able to cripple him and tie him up, tie his resources up. And choosing that that timeline can be the difference between someone succeeding or failing. I hope voters are seeing through this and seeing the truth about what they're doing. You know, I don't remember sleeping much during that period of time.

I know I was on the move constantly, as one should be. But you know, it's not only putting him at a disadvantage. I think it's terrible for the country.

I said this before. The fundamental thing about liberty is we live in a constitutional republic. So we have more liberty than any place, any other government in the world. But we got to fight for it. You fight for it in the military. You fight for it in Congress. When you were in Congress, you're fighting for it now in the in the court of public opinion. But we got to fight for it.

And the reality is when you see a situation developing like it is now with the former President and the pile on that's happening here and the going after the lawyers, which I find personally repulsive, the moment I cannot defend my client zealously and to say, boy, if I bring that legal theory up, am I going to be subject to RICO, is a sad day for the United States of America. And we're putting liberty at stake at a huge level when we do this, Tulsi. And that is exactly what's at stake here. So I just urge, you know, your viewers, your listeners, but really the broader electorate in the United States to recognize what this moment means and that we cannot afford. We, the American people, cannot afford to sit back and allow these corrupt people to be successful in what they're doing and their abuse of our Constitution and their abuse of this democratic process that our founders put in place for us. We have to lift our voices and make sure that we exercise our right to vote to ensure they are no longer in a position where they can abuse that power and undermine our democracy. That is what is at stake in this election.

It is much bigger than any individual. The future of our democracy and the future of this country is what's on the line. You know, I told our members we have filed 16 lawsuits against the Biden administration, including FOIA lawsuits on the Hunter Biden situation. We're in federal court on those right now, Tulsi. We are defending those FBI, we're representing those FBI whistleblowers who have been basically shut down.

Security clearance suspended, can't get another job because they know security clearance, and you're not allowed to take outside employment when you're still employed by the agency. They're employed by the FBI, they're just not getting paid. They're crushing these people. And we, I keep telling our donors that people like you as part of our team at the ACLJ has made us a lot stronger, but we can't do it without our support of our members. And as Tulsi just laid it out eloquently, we are fighting for our country. So go to ACLJ.org.

I mean, we really could see, this is a risky moment in our history right now, in my view. Yeah, Jay, you know, I will second that and encourage all of your listeners and viewers to support the great work that the ACLJ is doing. You know, your organization and the time, the decades that you have dedicated, you and your team, to fighting for liberty and fighting for freedom is rare in this day and age where people are divided into different camps.

And there are very few voices who are objectively committed to upholding the constitution and liberty for every single American, no matter politics or race or religion or anything else. I have been a longtime supporter of yours and the ACLJ, the great and important work that you're doing. And it's essential that we all stand up and continue to support it because you are literally in the trenches and on the front lines fighting this battle for our future, for our country. Tulsi, we appreciate you being part of our team. I've known you and your family for, my goodness, I think since you were about 16 years old. So we go back a long time and I represented your dad. So I mean, I appreciate everything you're doing and appreciate you being part of the team here at the ACLJ. It's amazing how things work out in time.

That's when, you know, God's in control of the universe because nobody else could play in this. We appreciate it. We appreciate it.

So I encourage you, make sure your friends know, your family knows, and you know, remind yourself that if you feel like you're in one of these situations, the best thing you can do for your country is to speak up because it takes people speaking up. You protect so many other people's rights when you do that. Contact us.

It doesn't cost you a thing. We're asking you to do so at ACLJ.org slash help. We'll be right back on Secular.

Welcome back to Secular. We're taking your calls and Rick Rinnell is joining us now too, the senior advisor for foreign policy and national security. And I wanted to go back to Deborah in New York. I'd like Rick to be able to weigh in this too.

And it's good. Deborah, just kind of reset your question for the audience and for Rick as well. I live in upstate New York and we are having buses come from the border and they're being released into the community. We don't know if they are asylum seekers, illegal immigrants or migrants. It seems like the definition is changing and it's a shell game.

And if we question who they are, we are called racists. I'm in healthcare. I'll take care of anybody, but we need to know is even the healthcare, who are we treating and who are the people? What part of New York are you from? Western New York, New York Falls, Buffalo. Oh sure, Buffalo. Okay, great.

So Rick, thanks for joining us. You're the former director of national intelligence and you know, this issue of the portions of the border, we had the report earlier about ISIS affiliated individuals coming through the border, but to her point, to Deborah's point, she's in the healthcare profession. She wants to help people. She's not given care, but they can't even discuss the status of these people without being labeled. Yeah, it's really outrageous. Now look, this all started when blue states decided to coin this phrase sanctuary cities and sanctuary states and it all sounds like a nice marketing and certainly everybody wants to be generous and, and they're humanitarian giving and helping people. But the reality is, is that a sanctuary state is a state that ignores federal law. We have laws. If you don't like the law, you should lobby against the law, but to have places where you get to ignore federal immigration and state department rules and you're protected now over, over years, this has built up and now we're seeing the hypocrisy of States like New York, which have touted the fact that they're a sanctuary state for immigrants, but now that they're getting too many immigrants, illegal immigrants, they're getting very nervous. We have to do a better job of distinguishing between immigrants and illegal immigrants. And right now, Kathy Hochul is not doing that. She's she's allowing this, uh, radical idea that you get to break laws and go anywhere you want in America.

If you don't have border laws, if you don't have enforced laws, you don't have a country. Yeah. We, we know too, she works in the healthcare industry and how these hospitals have been overrun. Again, it's not that they want to deny anyone care. It's that it gets to a point where there's no more care to offer. There's no more space because the steps are taxed to the maximum and they don't even know who they're helping or what they're helping for and it's affecting hospitals from across the country.

I know that because we have family in the healthcare industry. Uh, it's, it's very, very serious. Uh, Rick, I want to talk about the two tier system of justice to, uh, Celeste is calling on line two. So let's go ahead. You're on the air with Jay Sekulow, Jordan Sekulow and Rick Grinnell.

Thank you for taking my call. I got two questions. One is what can we average people that live here in America? What can we do? And a hypothetical one, what would, what would be done if our country was taken over for real?

If someone had just taken over the President's office and we didn't know it and what would we do? Do we just sit? No, you don't sit because you live in a constitutional republic.

So you don't sit and you don't sit and by the way, if you think that's happening, you don't sit either. I mean, that's not the way it works here. We have elections, they're supposed to be fair. And that's how we turn government over in the United States peacefully. But you, you're asking the first part of your question, which is I think the one that is on the minds of a lot of people right now, Rick, and this is the two tiered system of justice.

Go ahead, Jordan. Do you want to say something? Yeah, because I think, you know, we're learning about this, this new story of the York Post. So there was a FOIA made on behalf of an organization and they've uncovered 5,400 emails from vice President Biden where he uses fake names and that's where he was providing information to Hunter. So those emails were the ones being used to forward information to Hunter while he was doing these business deals while Joe Biden was vice President. I mean, people kind of, they scratched their heads because it's like, okay, how do you, there's all these special counsels out there.

They're all saying they got nothing to charge. Then all of a sudden there's whistleblowers come out and they change titles and now we find out, Rick, secret email accounts. It's not so much that they had the secret email accounts.

What were they using the accounts for to provide info to their son to do business deals while you're vice President? Yeah, look, I think Celeste is really articulating this frustration that so many of us outside of Washington DC have, which is where we we've woken up to the fact that the pot on the stove is completely boiling over and this has been a very slow burn. We have watched and many of us, um, I would say even ignored the heat that's been coming from the stove to the pot. Our country has been on this simmer and it's now boiling over and, and many people are just waking up to say, wait a minute, what happened?

Why do we have a two tier justice system? Why do we have a media that's totally in the tank for the ruling regime? Why do we have an attack on dissenting voices and a cancel culture and woke ism?

What's what's happening? And I want to answer Celeste's question of what can we do because there's a lot that we can do. And I think, uh, Jay, we should talk about, uh, our prayer initiative and strategy because I think that is incredibly important. I think it's important to raise your voice, sign petitions, uh, do everything you can to share on social media. You're doing a good job by listening to this broadcast and getting some ammunition, but now you've got to use it to fire back.

You also have to support organizations financially and with prayer, uh, to, to make sure that the organizations that you're supporting and that you're trying to help are actually doing the work, uh, to challenge government and to challenge the system. And I can just attest me personally that ACLJ is one of those organizations that absolutely is playing this law fair game that the left is playing and we're playing it just as strong. Yeah. You know, you're talking about this law fair and that's what it is.

And I look at the cases. We just said, we've got two cases, one now at the Supreme court of the United States, second brief on that case being filed Friday, multi 16 lawsuits against the Biden administration folks, as Rick just said, Rick's part of our team here, former director of national intelligence, former ambassador to Germany. We've got also Mike Pompeo, former secretary of state, former director of the CIA, Tulsi Gabbard, democratic Congresswoman, you're saying democratic Congresswoman. Yeah, with great insights on, especially on that, on, on military engagement.

And she has challenged her own party and we give voices to that. All of this happens because of your support of the American center for law and justice ACLJ.org. And if you're watching and many of you are right now on our social media apps, make sure you're subscribing and make sure you're sharing this with your friends. It's very, uh, very important. I believe we're also now on Twitter, uh, broadcasting on Twitter.

So we encourage you to do that, Jordan. I think when he's talking, he's also kind of teaching us how we can better communicate our conservative message, but also how we can fight for our conservative views and our values and issues that we care about. He's great at doing that record now, uh, you know, he spent a decade almost at the, at the UN, uh, working with, uh, the, uh, us ambassador to the United nations.

They're dealing with all communications on behalf of the United States. That was during a time of war. And most recently we brought on Tulsi Gabbard to the team. She currently is a Lieutenant Colonel in the army reserve.

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