BREAKING: MORE Classified Docs Found in Biden’s Garage

Breaking news today on Sekulow as more classified documents are found this time at Biden's home garage in Delaware. Don't worry, it was next to his Corvette. We'll talk about that more today on Sekulow.

And now your host, Jordan Sekulow. I was shocked. I can't believe there were classified documents in my office at the pin center. Oh no, I'm even more surprised that there were classified documents in my garage at my house in Wilmington, Delaware.

By the way, not one of the safest cities in the world. I'm sure he's got a lot of security around his house. And guess what, he said, don't worry though, it was in a cabinet in the garage, which we don't even know if it was locked by the way, that cabinet. And he keeps that garage locked, not because there's classified documents there, but because he's got a 1960s Corvette. 1967 Corvette, to be precise.

Beautiful car. And so he's trying to use that as well. There was the security method. We got a picture of the car for everybody driving in it. I guess probably to his garage was classified info. He's very happy about that.

He's like, I know things other people don't. And I've got it on them in document form. So the question now is, okay, still no raid. There had to be some deal made between Merrick Garland and the DOJ and National Archives and the Biden team. Because they are giving them a period of time, obviously, to go and look around all over the country for classified documents instead of raiding. Now, we do have a press conference later today coming from AG Garland about whether a special counsel is necessary here. Here's the, you know, I don't like special counsels. You know my view on that is well known. I'm not a fan of the special counsel statute.

I don't like it. But let me just say this. Let me give you a timeline that really matters here. On November 18th after the election and after former President Trump announced his running for office, and after President Biden said it is likely that he is going to run for office, Merrick Garland said this.

Let's take a listen to what he said. The Department of Justice has long recognized that in certain extraordinary cases, it is in the public interest to appoint a special prosecutor to independently manage an investigation and prosecution. Based on recent developments, including the former President's announcement that he is a candidate for President in the next election, and the sitting President's stated intention to be a candidate as well, I have concluded that it is in the public interest to appoint a special counsel. Very interesting statement, November 18th. On November 2nd, or shortly thereafter, or I guess it was right at November 2nd, he was notified that Joe Biden had classified documents not in secured areas that had not been returned to the National Archives.

He probably knew there were additional ones, I'm guessing, but he certainly knew the first batch. Yet he appoints a special counsel on Trump, but doesn't do the same on Biden. Now, I don't like special counsels, period.

But I'm just going to tell you this. You look at what's going on here. First they said, remember when Donald Trump said they raided his home? They executed a search warrant on his home. The documents for Joe Biden, Andy, were now found at his home in a garage in one other location near that area. What's bothering me is that the Attorney General and the Justice Department are allowing the Biden team, as it's called, to go around searching out where these documents may be. But they didn't do that with President Trump.

They sent the FBI in under a search warrant and raided his house in Mar-a-Lago and took everything they could find, including his passport. Why are you using the FBI and federal agents with Trump, but you're allowing Biden to have his team of lawyers ferret out where these documents are and to produce them as they choose and when they choose? That hypocrisy is so obvious to the American people. I mean, this double standard Washington, how the bureaucrats treat Republicans differently than they do Democrats, it's so obvious and clear. Even Republicans themselves wouldn't treat fellow Republicans this way.

They wouldn't give them a pass this way. And we've seen that time and time again. I mean, you saw Jeff Sessions refuse himself.

People are upset about that. Special counsel being appointed by the Republicans on those issues. Here we have Joe Biden caught yet again with classified documents at a garage in Wilmington, Delaware. 1-800-684-3110.

Give us a call. The first time President Biden addressed this when he was in Mexico was a very, very prepared, oh, this is, I take this seriously, this is, you know, we attorneys found it, we turned it right over. It was kind of like trying to say this is over. And now it's not over. Now the documents were not only found in the garage in Delaware with the locked Corvette, which by the way, started to sound like a jerk to the American people.

People are hurting economically. And he's talking about his 1967 Corvette. Well, I said it's a locked garage.

It's got my Corvette in it. That's why it's locked. Not because they got classified documents in it. But it's also we know that there was another classified document found in a room adjacent to the garage.

Right. So where are they? Spread out all over everywhere Joe Biden's ever, ever had a personal location? Possibly.

They said they didn't find any in his beach house. Who knows? But who knows?

I mean, right. Who are we trusting there? The FBI didn't go in there and do it like they did on the former President. That's that's his own lawyer. That was like if I did it for the former President.

Right. I want to play you the back and forth because now he's having to have exchanges with the media on this. Here's Peter Doocy once we found out about the garage questioning President Biden by 16. Classified material next year, Corvette. What were you thinking?

Let me I'm going to get a chance to speak on all this, God willing, soon. But as I said earlier this week, people and by the way, my Corvette's in a locked garage. OK, so it's not like you're sitting on the street. But anyway. Was it a locked garage?

Yes, as well as my Corvette. But as I said earlier this week, people know I take classified documents and classified materials seriously. No, they don't actually think you take classified documents seriously because you're just as concerned about it. Your corporate maybe more so than than the documents. Now, yesterday and I don't we haven't remember when the President made this statement about the lawyers didn't tell me I should ask what's in these documents.

Take a listen to this. But I don't know what's in the documents. I've my lawyers have not suggested I ask what documents they were. I've turned over the boxes. They've turned over the boxes to the archives and we're OK. My lawyers told me, don't you know, don't ask what's in it, basically. But first of all, his lawyers didn't tell him to ask as if you had to.

You're the President of the United States. When you have that, we talked to Westminster about these, the documents you have that are SCI, that means it's exceptionally grave damage potential to national security. So this is really serious. Then his defense is it's in a garage next to his house or part of his house. But then there's also documents found in the room. But you know what? There's not any there's no FBI, Mr. Whoever's at your house. We've got a little message here from the Department of Justice. That's absent because they're cooperating. Well, you know what? In the previous administration, they were going back and forth to it wasn't like it wasn't happening. The FBI came down to Mar-a-Lago and said, we'd like you to put a lock on that secured spot.

And they did. This is nonsense. It's a double standard. I don't, by the way, I don't think either one of these should be criminal cases, OK, to be clear. But I also don't think special counsels are necessary. You know, Merrick Gartland needs to say, give everybody give up your documents, please get your documents back to the National Archives.

And let's not do this again. But the double step, of course, they won't do that because they're going to try to push him out of office. They'll keep him in office, but they're going to push him from not running for reelection. I almost wonder, I'm not going to say it yet, if this is a ploy of his own party.

Of the Democrats to get to push Joe Biden and Trump out. Yes, pushes them both out because the document, like you said, the document issue. But, you know, Andy, I'm thinking about this. Now you've had missing documents in three locations because it's not it's the beach house and at the beach house, the residents. So obviously he knows what's in the documents. He can say we're in his garage and in a room next to the garage and they've not described the room next to the garage. Right.

Just adjacent. We need to know what that is. But here's what I want to know. If you wanted probable cause to get a search warrant. Guess what? You had it.

Well, you have it right now. And there is no magistrate that I can think of who would not give you a search warrant on the extensive Biden residences, wherever they may be. Given the fact that he has now found them in the garage next to his Corvette that he treasures so much.

He obviously treasures the Corvette because it's locked more than he does this classified documents. But I don't understand how the attorney general cannot say to the FBI, take a warrant out for searching the premises and allowing the President's team to go around looking up the documents themselves, Jay. Or don't do that to anybody. In other words, you shouldn't have done it to Trump.

You shouldn't do it to Biden. It's a document dispute. Get the documents back.

But you know what? These documents were floating out there for six years. And the thing I go back to, Jordan, Mayor Cartland makes the announcement November 18th, special counsel appointed, which was ridiculous. But okay, special counsel appointed. On November 2nd, he knew that the existing, the current President of the United States had classified documents in his possessions, not in secure locations. Sixteen days.

Right. Sixteen days he knew that his boss also had classified documents that he shouldn't have in his possession. At least he knew about the ones at the office in Washington, D.C., the pin center that was in the, again, a cabinet there. And that his former, now we're learning too, it was his former White House counsel. Is now his private lawyer.

Who left after the, before the midterms. Right. And then would have left with the proper security clearance, I guess.

Correct. To then start going through all these documents. So he's trying to protect himself that way by having someone who's got the right clearance level to go through the documents. But it's, again, he doesn't have, I keep wanting to point this out. You know there's going to be more documents.

You know it. He can't make an argument that he had any kind of declassification power, nor is he. He was vice President. He's acknowledging these are classified documents. Yeah.

I mean, everybody's talking about CNN. Oh, there's difference between the Trump case and the Biden case. Yeah. Trump was the President of the United States. Six years and six months.

Yeah. Six, you know, a year and a half versus six years. Well, they were, you're right. They were in discussions within six months in the Trump situation. Former, a President had the authority to declassify documents. The vice President doesn't.

These are now in three locations. And he's making a big deal that it's in a locked garage next to his, who had access to his house? By the way, it's a locked garage. But does the, does the house cleaner go to the locked garage? Does his mechanic fixing his Corvette go to the lock?

I have no idea. But this is, this is ridiculous. It is. The whole thing is ridiculous. But this is what we're worried about while China's, you know, laughing at us. So you got all this going on. We're going to take your calls on this at 1-800-684-3110, 800-684-3110. Let me tell you what we're doing. Folks, we have got a draft. Jordan and I and Andy have not reviewed it yet.

I mean, they literally was handed to us right before we went on air. Of a Freedom of Information Act request to the records for the National Archives communication with Joe Biden regarding the disposition of Presidential Records Act from 2009 to 2017 to term as Vice President. It may need to be, in addition to records from Joe Biden, it may need to be with the office of the Vice President. We'll have to get all those classifications correct as to who we're sending it to. But the idea is to put this forward to find out what, how long all this communication was going on. Which is what we want to know here. Yeah, we want to know what was going on exactly. What was the Archives' role too?

Yeah, I'd like to know what the Archives' roles were. We're taking your calls, 800-684-3110. Yeah, let's go to Waylon in Colorado on Line 1. Hey Waylon.

Hi, thank you for taking my call. Sure. My first question is, is there a specific chain of command for these people to get these documents rather than just allow Biden's administration to discover them? And my second question is, being that he was Vice President, what are the legal repercussions of him having these documents? Well, as Vice President, he had no authority to declassify anything, so he can't argue that these were not classified documents. Unless they were declassified by President Obama, there's no indication that that was the case. So he has no authority in his possession to declassify documents, because the Vice President does not have that authority.

With regard to the chain of custody, normally you work with the National Archives and the GSA, Government Service Administration, they pack things up, they send it to the National Archives. That is not what happened here. And the thing that I want to reiterate, Merrick Gartland knew on November 2nd that the Biden team had documents that were classified and they've had them for six years, and it was supposedly in the one location, in the Penn-Biden Center in Washington. Now we know it's at his house, in his garage, and then in a room adjacent to the garage, and we have no idea who went in the garage. And Merrick Gartland knew this on November 2nd. He also knew it on November 18th when he appointed the special counsel against Trump. Now, the truth is, they're having a press conference this afternoon, maybe he announces one.

I don't like special counsels, I think it's not necessary. But I'll tell you what this is. Folks, these are document disputes that they've weaponized. They've weaponized these agencies, and now we're getting to see it in living color, and now you've got a Republican House led by Jim Jordan and the Judiciary Committee that could say, you know what, this is nonsense, we're going to find out about it. Yeah, I mean, this is, again, I think we are just at the tip of the iceberg here, this is unraveling quickly, and it's getting out of the control of the White House spin. Well, see, he couldn't answer the question.

No, no. It made a big deal about his car. Because the first time around, he tried to make it like, okay, they were there, we handled it appropriately, moving on. Now we're not moving on. And now we wonder, what are the properties, what are the locations, should we go to Hunter Biden's home, what about... You've got to go everywhere.

The brothers, you know, that does all the business. I would bet money that they will find other documents. Do you think Mayor Garland's going to appoint a special counsel? Do you think he feels like he has to?

Andy? I think he's gutless, and I don't think he will. I don't know, that could be the gutless move.

You put it in somebody else's problem. Yes, but a man who... That U.S. Attorney in Chicago made a tough... He was appointed by Trump. Thank God Mayor Garland's not on the Supreme Court, folks.

Yeah, well, that's a... I mean, we know... You could thank Mitch McConnell for that, he gets a lot of flak. So we know after our broadcast today, just about 15 minutes after... You're going to cover it, though. ...Mayor Garland's supposed to speak, we have our podcast today, the Secular Brothers podcast, so we'll be able to cover, we'll know at that point if a special counsel has been appointed to investigate the classified documents. The classified documents being found at these fine properties. You have to remember, this is...

He kind of like rewinded history, this is when he was Vice President and outside of office even, after he was Vice President. And remember what the documents are. Top secret classified. Well, we know from the first Trove, that was Ukraine, Iran, UK. We don't know what's in the next one.

They have not announced that, interestingly. All right, we'll take your calls. We know a lot about this one. Here we go.

All right, welcome back to Secular. I want to do a little flashback here, because I think it's always important to remember, Joe Biden's kind of a jerk. You know, when he's talking about people he dislikes, whether it was going after Clarence Thomas, yes, that's a rewind. He can be a pretty nasty guy. He acts like he's that chummy type guy.

But when he gets nasty and indignant, though, he gets nasty and indignant. And that's kind of how he was when he was asked about President Trump having the classified documents at Mar-a-Lago. Take a listen.

This is the interview with Scott Pelley by two. When you saw the photograph of the top secret documents laid out on the floor at Mar-a-Lago, what did you think to yourself, looking at that image? How that could possibly happen. How anyone could be that irresponsible. I thought, what data was in there that may compromise sources and methods?

By that I mean names of people who helped or etc. And it's just totally irresponsible. Scott Pelley said, what did you think to yourself?

You know what he thought to himself? Uh-oh, I think I've got documents in my garage next to my Corvette. Maybe I've got them in my office in Washington with the University of Pennsylvania.

And maybe I have them into an undescribed adjacent room to the garage. Probably being paid for by the Chinese government. Yeah, and I don't know who has access to that or not. We're wondering who pays for that institute.

Because a lot of times those Presidential institutes, both sides of the aisle, are paid for by foreign governments. Correct. So that's what I think. But the righteous indignation and then you got this.

Folks. And by the way, the scatter on the ground, the FBI did that. The FBI did the scattering on the ground. Look, we don't even know how many pages of documents. They've not described the second trove of documents here. So technically there's three troves already.

You realize that. First trove, University of Pennsylvania. Second trove, garage next to Corvette. Third trove, a room adjacent to garage.

Who knows where else they are? And the FBI hasn't gone in there and looked. And when they say they found one classified document in that adjacent room, that could still be 500 pages.

That's the whole thing here. The classified information here is one part of this problem. The other part of this problem is the double standard that's being applied. Well, the sheer hypocrisy of Joe Biden, really.

Especially when he says, people know I take handling sensitive documents in a very serious way. What people? You're making up things. First of all, you're a plagiarizer. You inflate your resume. You went to schools that you never went to. You did things you never did.

And you say people know you handle them, documents of this and that. And then you're attacking President Trump because you're saying he's totally irresponsible. What a hypocrite you are, Joe Biden. All right, let's take calls. We're on this, folks.

By the way, we are announcing that we have drafted, and it's in draft, we're going to review it as soon as we're done with the radio. Dan Sisney, who runs our government oversight litigation projects, has a FOIA request going to the records of the National Archives for communications with Joe Biden. It's not just with Joe Biden, also.

I have to correct that. It was with Joe Biden or the office of the President, or the office of the Vice President in that particular case, from 209 to 217. Because that'll give us a sense of what was going on in communications. In other words, there could be an email that says, here's everything we have. And then, whoops, it wasn't.

So all this becomes relevant. What's not interesting, or what is interesting here to me, is that on November 2nd, Merrick Gartland, the Attorney General of the United States, is notified of these document issues. Boy, and you talk about documents, like Jordan said, Ukraine, we had a three-week trial in the United States Senate on impeachment on Ukraine.

It would have been nice to know what's in those documents, as defense lawyers that we were. And then he appoints on November 18th, when he already knew about the President's head documents that he wasn't supposed to have as Vice President. He appoints a special counsel. Doesn't mention this issue. Not even mentioned. Doesn't go to the podium and say, hey, look, we've got issues on both sides now, so I'm appointing a special counsel to look at all of this.

That's not what he did. Take a call, Jordan. Yeah, back to the phones we go. Let's go to Roger at Oregon Online 2. Hey, Roger.

Yes, thank you for taking my call. Jay, two things I'd like to kind of bring up. First point is, it's a point of curiosity for me. Biden has documents tagged SCI. I haven't heard anything about Trump. Were any of his documents tagged SCI?

That's the first point. Well, you know, the question on the Trump documents is different, because the Trump documents, the initial assessment from the Trump team was anything that he had, he had declassified, because as President, he can declassify it. So the difference there, of course, is the Vice President didn't have that authority.

I can't recall if they did have, I think there may have been some documents that were tagged SCI. Look, I don't like the idea that classified documents, if they were still classified, are in people's, in former Presidents or former Vice Presidents' personal residences. I don't think that's right. However, a President can declassify when he's President.

A Vice President cannot. So that's a fundamental difference in this case, which the media tried to, you know, it's interesting. They were trying to build this distinction, Jordan, yesterday, when it was just the one batch of documents. But as soon as that batch two and now batch three, which really, we don't know what's in them, they totally are changing their tune, the national media. Absolutely. They have to.

Yes. I mean, so what we're seeing is, and I think this is very important for people to understand, is that when you look at this, it's gone from in one day, oh, well, you know, he didn't know about this and maybe they weren't so serious. And he's doing the right thing. To now, his staff is obviously on notice. They're running around the country in any place he could have had documents.

And it's getting worse and worse for them. Look where he had them. And it's getting impossible for media pundits on the left to try and even equate this to Donald Trump. Donald Trump had a better argument to have these documents than Joe Biden.

Of course, because he was President of the United States. And the timing. Yeah, but here's an interesting thing. I mean... It's one thing to say, you know what, six months I found out that I had some stuff I shouldn't have.

It's another to say six years. We're taking your calls at 800-684-3110. By the way, why were they tracking these? Well, that's the other question I have, Andy.

The National Archives... They just disappeared and they didn't care? They knew, listen, there was a document dispute between former President Trump and the National Archives. He's saying that these were his documents. They're saying, no, they're his.

They're theirs. He said he has the authority to declassify. They say they don't have records of that. Of course, the question is, a President doesn't have to create records.

No one for him to record to. Vice President doesn't have that authority. So, you know, this is six years. Yeah, in the midst of a dispute between the Archives and President Trump, we get a federal search warrant. Instead of saying, these are documents that we can talk about, these are documents that are disclosable or rather should not have been here, these are documents that you could have declassified. These a judge may have to ultimately decide on.

Merrick Garland authorizes a U.S. magistrate, basically takes the criminal approach through a magistrate to his research warrant. Doesn't do that on Biden. No, folks, you gotta understand what's going on here. This was going on for six years. They acted like Jordan, exactly what you said. They didn't even know they were gone. And why did they get turned over miraculously? Why are they found after these pompous statements, after a special counsel is appointed? Why is it that then they found him? They were there for six years. He knew they were next to his Corvette, but he didn't know what was, remember that nonsense yesterday? My lawyers didn't tell me that I should ask.

What's in the documents? But he knew there were documents in there next to his Corvette. But don't worry, American people, the Corvette was locked. I mean, give me a break.

Yeah. Again, this is spiraling out of control, which is good news for Republicans, good news for conservatives, and great news for Donald Trump. Who it is bad news for is Joe Biden and his team. The question is, do other Democrats start piling on? Well, I saw a Democrat was on CNN. One of the congressmen said, we got the Scots to be fully investigated by the FBI.

Yeah. Are any of them calling for special counsel yet? Any Democrats? I've not heard. Will, have you heard anything yet?

Nothing? Not yet. Will he have a bulk at it though, if he did announce it?

No. I'd be very interested to see what he does. I mean, he's going to announce it right before we go up there.

Jordan and Logan are covering it because they're doing their podcast today. I know, you don't like special counsels. I think if he doesn't do it, very garlous you're beside. Yes. He needs to, or should be at least maybe impeached by the House. Yeah.

Won't be convicted by the Senate, but I think we're done. Who cares? They do that all the time. They love that. Whether he does or doesn't. The whole thing is outrageous.

It really is outrageous. He knew. Yes. He's got a special counsel to go after Trump.

The whole thing, look, it reeks. Secular Brothers podcast today will cover the Merrick Gartland announcement. That's right. Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Secular. And now your host, Jordan Secular.

And welcome back to Secular. We are taking your phone calls to 1-800-684-312. That's 1-800-684-3110. Just to update you, if you're just joining the broadcast in this second half hour, more documents, classified documents, have been found this time. Not, by the way, at the same office in Washington, D.C., the Biden Pinsitter in the closet with the lock. The tin documents were found there.

Some with the highest levels of classification. Now they were found, and so you can understand, his team is running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to find these documents. Because they were found all the way in Delaware.

Now, not at his beach house yet, but at his home in Wilmington. But don't worry, take a listen to Joe Biden with Peter Doocy. They were in his garage, and in his garage he has something much more precious than life.

Much more precious than keeping people alive who are assets or more precious than top-secret classified information about the U.S. government. And it's Corvette. Take a listen.

Classified material. Next year, Corvette? What were you thinking?

Let me, I'm going to get a chance to speak on all of this, God willing, soon. But as I said earlier this week, people, and by the way, my Corvette's in a locked garage. Okay? So it's not like they're sitting out in the street. So this year, it was in a locked garage? Yes, as well as my Corvette. But as I said earlier this week, people know I take classified documents and classified materials seriously. No, they don't.

No, they don't know that you do this. But Logan just walked in. It is in his locked garage next to his Corvette. That he was worried about. But I wonder, does the mechanic get to go in there and fix the Corvette? And I guess while they're there, they could say, oh, this is interesting.

SCI on Ukraine. I had a meeting with Burisma. I mean, but this is ridiculous. Go ahead. Yeah, I mean, a locked garage, like Jordan said, can mean a lot of different things. Sure, there's some where you can get some systems, and there's keypad and locks, and there's locks that are extra locks for your garage. But as Jordan said, you kind of just bust a hole in a garage. I mean, it's not like it's that crazy.

No, they're not that secure. But in general, it just shows the hypocrisy of all of this. I think that's the main takeaway from everything. Shouldn't it be about what the documents are?

I mean, you could talk about that for sure. It should be about you've created a standard now, and here's the hypocrisy. So you're going to have to now live up to this standard.

And the standard should be, you know, we're going to go raid everything in your possession. Well, he said, but God willing, I'll be able to address this soon. Well, you're the President of the United States.

You had the microphone, address it. You know what I want to know? We're going to talk to Harry Hudson about this later, but I'm going to give you a little taste of it. The Biden-Penn Center, one of the things Mike Pompeo has said on this broadcast time and time again is, watch out for the Chinese government in funding of universities and these centers. Absolutely. That is widespread. And if you really think about it carefully, if you look at academic institutions, if you look at corporations, many of them have become merely lap dogs for Chinese influence.

And the Chinese government has a long-term strategy of influencing and then controlling U.S. institutions. People understand here, is the President of the United States, God willing, I'll be able to talk to you about this soon? Who is he kidding? Talk to him now, but I want to paint the, let me paint the picture for our radio audience, our television audiences, and our social media. In the car, in the garage is a nice Corvette. 1967, really nice Corvette. Next to the garage are documents. Well, inside the garage, there are documents. I don't know if the housekeeper was in the garage.

I don't know if the mechanic was in the garage. But I do know what was in the garage besides the Corvette. Classified documents. And they've been there for six years. And the National Archives, they're not screaming about that until, until after Merrick Garland's notified of it and already appointed a special counsel on Trump.

I mean, you know, if we hadn't been doing this so long, you cannot make this stuff up. No, no, this is, this is again, it is, it's like, could you imagine that Merrick Garland knew for 16 days after reporting the special counsel to go after Trump, that he already knew there were classified documents on Ukraine and Iran and the UK found in Washington, D.C. office, private office, Joe Biden at the pin center by his former White House counsel team who went in there. And then he knew that for 16 days, he didn't appoint a special counsel to go after Joe Biden. I mean, the more and more I think about it, I think Merrick Garland should be resigning today is what he should be announcing. I agree.

I think it's pathetic, actually, because he knew and did nothing. All right, we're going to take your calls when you come back. He appointed a special counsel to go after Trump.

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This is because people have been holding on as long as upwards of 20 plus, 25 minutes. Mary Ellen, Illinois on Line 3. Always great to have Mary Ellen on with us.

Welcome to Sec Hill. You're on the air. Yes, thank you.

Can you hear me okay? Gotcha. Okay, good. As I'm listening to you all, like there's so many questions and I keep wondering, you know, why is this focused only on documents to keep us focused there? Because I remember early on when he said, oh, his personal attorneys told him not to ask any questions. And then I wondered, well, is that preparing him to take the fifth on a future criminal case? Which makes me ask the question, what's in those documents at Penn over there? Well, it's not just Mary Ellen.

It's not just Penn. What's in the documents in your garage? What's in the document in the room next to the garage? What's in the next group of documents they find if they find more documents?

But here's what the problem is. We know what they are. And he had no authority to declassify them when he was vice President. And you know what they are?

The highest level of security clearance. When Wes Smith comes on here, he's going to say exceptionally grave damage to national security if these documents are mishandled. And he says, don't worry about it, Andy. It's next to the garage.

It's in the garage with the Corvette. Who didn't know who went in and out of there? And his lawyer saying, I mean, my lawyers did not tell me to ask. OK, well, you're the President of the United States.

You should know. Well, the thing that troubles me, of course, is the fact that you've supposedly secured documents by putting them next to your precious Corvette in your house there in Delaware. But, you know, there's and the Biden team of lawyers is searching the world supposedly to find the documents. But they didn't give that privilege or that possibility to President Trump.

They went in after there was a discussion between the archives and the President, former President, and they executed a search warrant on his house. OK, Merrick Garland knew on November 2nd that the Biden had classified documents. And yet he appoints a special counsel vis-a-vis former President Trump.

Jay, regardless of whether you think special counsel is right or not, why don't you treat the former President the way that you treat the current President? Which means everybody take your cards and go home, because this is a document dispute that you've now turned into the weaponization of the federal agencies. And then on top of it, and this is what I wanted Harry to address, then on top of it, we got the whole Penn University of Pennsylvania. And Jordan, you said that these centers are becoming a big thing. Oh, absolutely.

They always have been. I mean, a lot of Presidential libraries get foreign funding. And that's where a lot of documents, yes. And so these new centers like the Penn Biden Center are often funded by big grants from foreign governments.

Harry? Well, it's very, very important that we look closely at the Penn Biden Center and we look at the sources of funding. A preliminary investigation by the New York Post suggests that the primary source of funding for the Penn Biden Center was Chinese entities and Chinese individuals. Over $54.6 million has been donated by individuals linked to the Chinese Communist Party between 2014 and 2019.

Unreal. And more and more evidence suggests that the Penn Biden Center was more than simply a storage unit for classified documents. It was the Biden equivalent of the Clinton Foundation. In other words, influence peddling was taking place at that center. Anthony Blinken, the secretary of state, used to work at that particular center, and the American people need to demand a comprehensive and thorough investigation of all academic institutions in the United States, as well as most large corporations in the United States, because at the end of the day, the evidence points in one direction and one direction only that the Chinese government, particularly the Communist Party, is manipulating centers of influence in the United States. We're going to take your calls, folks. This is unreal.

So you've got the Chinese government funding his office where you happen to find classified documents. I mean, think about that for a moment. Just think about that for a moment. That's almost right up there.

It's next to my Corvette. Don't worry. Let's go to Sarah calling from North Dakota. Hi, Sarah. Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my call.

Sure. I just had a question about we know that they tried to downplay the first amount of documents that they found. What about this second amount? Do you think that they're going to try to downplay the amount that they found when he... What's interesting is they're not describing the second trove at all. They just say there were additional documents and then one other document. And by the way, as Jordan said, a document could be 500 pages. We have no idea. But there is no description of the second document other than saying they had classified markings on them. Yeah, that's right. So we don't know how many or what it was involving.

Don't know the amount. We know that there were more found in the garage and there was one found adjacent to the garage. And just to remind you, a document does not mean a page. Right.

Usually these are in folders and there's multiple pages. Yeah. So there you go. Let's keep taking calls.

1-800-684-3110. If you're just joining us, we are sending a Freedom of Information Act demand to the National Archives for the correspondence between the former Vice President Joe Biden, the office of the former Vice President Joe Biden, and the National Archives. I want to know how long these negotiations, our documents were going, and what was it that precipitated all of a sudden them coming, you know, making this grand announcement. Why are they doing it now? Of course, it was after the midterm elections.

Could you imagine the impact this would add on the midterm elections? I mean, but forgetting that, because they're all political, we're taking your calls. 800-684-3110. All right. Back to the phones. Carol in Texas on Line 6. I think it's an important one to keep answering for folks. Hey, Carol. Hi.

Thank you all for what you do. So I'm always interested, especially interested in timing. And you've brought that up several times now.

Yeah. But can you help me understand who started looking for the documents, why they started looking for documents, how they knew where to look for documents, and what's going to keep Biden attorneys from screening, hiding, destroying documents? Well, lawyers ethically can't do that. I mean, that's obstruction of justice.

That's interference with evidence, and they can't do that. But you ask a really great question, is what precipitated the personal search of the office, the residence, and the adjacent room next to the garage? My suspicion is I don't have evidence of this.

Somebody was about to blow the whistle. That's what it looks like. Yeah, that's probably true, because otherwise they would never have done – they would never have said it, and they said, we'd better go public real quickly because somebody's going to turn us in.

That's what it looks like. We don't have evidence of that. We don't know. Now, I think once they found the documents, then the lawyers went on a mad dash.

But remember, this is the same President that told you, my lawyers did not tell me to ask what was in the documents. But he said, I take it, and he said, my God, soon I will be able to talk to you about this. God willing. Yeah, God willing.

Well, he could do that right now. Here's the problem. Then complicate it with the Chinese government involved folks and what the Biden family was doing over there, which are now going to be subject to oversight committees. This is where the problem is, Harry. Like you said, it's a one-way street pointing to the Communist Party of China.

I think that's precisely correct. So if you look at the National Legal Policy Center, which monitors ethical compliance of government officials, their investigation suggests that there is an extensive network of American individuals and institutions who benefit directly or indirectly from foreign interests connected either to Hunter Biden's work in China or the Ukraine. They have also uncovered information which states that Hunter Biden's laptop reveals a 2017 tax linking a Chinese energy company with the Penn Biden Center.

So, again, I can't verify the authenticity of the tax, but we certainly have evidence that there is indeed smoke. More likely than not, there is indeed a fire, and Joe Biden is probably scrambling at this very moment. We're taking calls when we come back from the break at 800-684-3110. Any time for another one, Jordan? Yeah, we can grab one more if we get a quick one here. Let's go to Josh in Missouri.

I think this one we can probably answer quickly. Hey, Josh. Hi, Jay.

Thanks for taking my call. I don't think anybody has asked this. Are these documents unique originals, or do they exist in any other form anywhere else? More than likely, they're multiple copies of what's distributed then to those that have classified access, State Department, Secretary of State, DNI.

Rick Grenell talked about that yesterday. So it doesn't mean it's the original document, but it is a document that had a classification level. That's what's really going on there.

Yeah, that's right. So, again, how many versions of it there are, we don't know. What we do know is that these are classified documents. What's so interesting here is- Copies don't matter. They're still classified documents. Oh, yeah, the documents are classified. The documents classified, whether it's a copy or not.

Like Jordan said, a document could be one document with 1,000 pages. But here's the interesting thing, Andy. What we know in the first batch of documents, Ukraine, Iran, UK. We have no idea what's in these.

No, we have no idea what they could be. They could be China. They probably are China. China's everywhere. China's at the Biden Center. China's around the corner. China's at TikTok. China's invading our country.

And yet the President of the United States says that he was surprised, but then he found his Corvette and he wasn't so surprised. Yeah. 1-800-684-3110. We're taking your calls coming into the last segment of the broadcast. Don't forget, Jordan and Logan are hosting their Secular Brothers podcast. That will be after the press conference from Merrick Gartland, which will be fascinating to say the least. So that is at secularbrothers.com. Anywhere you get your podcasts, you can get that. We encourage you to tune in for that.

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ACLJ.org. Back with more in a moment. Welcome back to Secular. A lot of phone calls. A lot of questions. I want to play this exchange about Biden. How can you trust him after all this? Take a listen.

Peter Doocy and Korean John Pierre. How can President Biden be trusted moving forward with American secrets? Because his lawyers, his team did the right thing. But he had a closet with classified information.

His lawyers did the right thing. Again, again, again. He was surprised that the records were there. He spoke to this. Personally, he was surprised that the records were there.

You know, let me tell you something. The surprise defense. Maybe it was, you know, he didn't know what was in his Biden offices. I think he knows what's next to his Corvette and his garage. And the adjacent room. What is this adjacent room?

But Wes Smith is joining us. I feel like we're not getting a full story on that adjacent room. Is that like a safe? Well, we'll find out.

Exactly. Who knows? Personal safe. We're also not getting a... No one's talking about what these documents were involving. A lot of people have like gun safes in those places. You have stuff like that.

Who knows? Wes Smith, Colonel retired, United States Army, had some of the highest level security clearances you can get. You said in our pre-meeting for radio that handling this exceptionally grave damage to national security if these documents are mishandled. Yeah, we go through training on how to handle classified material. And early on in my career, right after 9-11, I had access to top secret SCI info.

Had I misplaced, divulged, or mishandled that in any way, Jay, it would have been career-ending and probably a court-martial. Here's the thing about this kind of material. And that is, you're right, the definition of it is it poses a grave danger. Not just danger, a grave danger to national security. It compromises sources and methods, which means it compromises how we got the information and from whom we got it.

But at the same time, here's the deal. You don't label routine material top secret SCI. It can be labeled secret, it can be labeled top secret or sensitive. The only thing that has this kind of level of classification is things that are extremely serious regarding national security.

These are not routine records, in other words. Well, then I would ask you this question. I'll ask this to Harry. Then why would you put those documents, if you were the Vice President, retired, former Vice President, why would you put those in an office that's being funded in part, in significant part, Harry, by the Chinese government?

You wouldn't. But he did. Well, number one, let's keep in mind that Biden has successfully demonstrated his incompetence, in my opinion, over the last couple of years. So we have to give him the incompetence defense as well as the defense that he was simply surprised. But I also think we need to emphasize that President Biden went after former President Trump and said it was irresponsible. And so now we can label Biden's behavior as irresponsible, unexplainable.

And at the end of the day, the surprise defense cannot cut it and the American people should not allow President Biden to get away with mishandling U.S. secrets. Can you imagine the reaction, Jay? I work for a four-star general. If I put some classified material in my garage next to my Corvette and then tried the audacity to tell the general, sir, I take classified information very seriously, he would have laughed while he sent me to JAG to be court-martial. Exactly right. We're going back to the phone. 800-684-3110. Daniel Washington State, online one.

Hey, Daniel. Yes, ignorance is not an excuse to criminal case. Whether he remembers what those documents were six years later or not, the fact is he still had the documents. And was he hiding these documents so he wouldn't get criminal prosecution on other things like the quid pro that he did with the Ukrainian President? We'd all love to know, especially with Ukraine. I don't know about Iran.

I don't know about the U.K. But what I do know about is that that family's got a lot going on in Ukraine pre-war. They had a lot of business dealings.

He was proud about that. He bragged about having this prosecutor who was investigating his son's company in Ukraine, Burisma, his son Hunter, who sat on the board of Burisma, the natural gas company, which was being investigated. Had him fired so that they would get a billion dollars in aid and joked about that in Ukrainian and U.S. media. And now he's got at least one trove of classified documents on Ukraine. So the documents, Andy, are gone for six years. First, National Archives doesn't appear.

And we're going to find out. We're sending a FOIA out. It doesn't appear they were asking for them. So they didn't even know these documents existed and these were SCI material involving Ukraine, Iran and the U.K. OK, that's one. Number two, you can't prosecute a sitting President.

No, you cannot. That's the correct – and folks, you may not like to hear that, but it was – I said the same thing on the floor of the Senate and at the Supreme Court on behalf of President Trump. So you can't prosecute him for this.

But you do wonder why it was gone for six years. Well, that's a question that I'd like to have the answer to. If I was a prosecutor – and I certainly would want to know that – if I was the attorney general of the United States, OK, the attorney general of the United States who has to make a very critical decision as to how he's going to proceed. As to President Trump, he said he's going to proceed criminally. As to President Biden, he hadn't announced yet. He hadn't said anything. Well, he's going to see and we're going to expect the announcement right after we get off radio. And Jordan and Logan are hosting Secular Brothers podcast, which will cover this. But he's not – what do you think he's going to – you don't know.

It's speculation. Well, you know, my opinion of him is what Senator Cotton said. Thank God you're not on the Supreme Court. But I see him as a gutless, pussy-footed, sorry excuse for an attorney general. And here's where I want someone like Bill Barr or better yet, Griffin Bell, somebody who's got guts and who will do the right thing regardless of politics. Don't expect that out of Merrick Garland. By the way, Griffin – Bill Barr was Republican. Griffin Bell was a Democrat.

They were both very great attorney generals. Let's take another call. Yeah, I'll keep going. Daniel at North Dakota Line 5. Hey, Daniel.

Hey, thanks for taking my call. My question is, with all the corruption going on in Washington, D.C. with the DOJ and everything, what possible good outcome could come of a FOIA request that may take five years to get the information or a DOJ that's friendly toward Biden? Because the House of Representatives is controlled by Republicans now.

And Jim Jordan is the chairman of the Judiciary Committee. Five years. It does not take five years to get documents. And we'll be able to share those documents with government agencies.

So it all works together, Daniel. And as Wes said, these documents at this level could present exceptionally grave national security consequences. Yeah, there's a reason they're labeled this way. It is very, very close-hold privileged material. And the seriousness of this cannot be overstated, Jay, and nor can the seriousness of the hypocrisy involved. My question, as we've been talking today, is if the DOJ knew about this beforehand, is this a cover-up? Are they covering for the President? Well, I mean, it sure looks like the mayor of Garland knew November 2nd that this was an issue. On November 18th, he appoints a special counsel. He doesn't mention this until January. Two months later.

Really? Give me a break. Let's grab Michelle's call.

Final call of the day. Hey, Michelle. You're on the air. Hi, Jay.

How are you? Great. Thanks. Thank you for taking my call.

Sure. And if President Trump has the ability to declassify his file, okay, and you're talking about a Vice President Biden who has not the ability to declassify, why can't it be a criminal or a treason? You cannot – I wanted to say this.

I appreciate your call, Michelle. A sitting President cannot be indicted. That's the Department of Justice policy.

I think it's the right answer under the United States Constitution. It doesn't mean they're not held accountable. Elections have consequences. Impeachments can happen. I mean, not likely to be a conviction because of the way that you've got to get 66 votes in the Senate. But that's the difference between being able to classify – first of all, did President Trump declassify? That's only – the people that know that are the people working with President Trump.

But the vice President had no authority to do it. Secular Brothers Podcast, secularbrothers.com, will be this afternoon after Merrick Arlen speaks, so you'll get an update there and support the work of the ACLJ. We've got a foyer going out on this today, folks. So if you support us in 2022, support us in 2023 at ACLJ.org. That's ACLJ.org. Secular Brothers Podcast this afternoon.