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It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick live. Hope you all can have a good day listening today to the show. And if you want to give me a call, as usual, the number is 877-207-2276. We have no callers waiting right now, so the lines are wide open. You can also send me an email. That's easy. Just direct it to info at KARM.org, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G, info at KARM.org.

Put in the subject line radio comment, radio question, and we can get to that. Okay. So I'm going to continue to say thank you for those of you who are praying for my wife and also for Joanne. Joanne works with the ministry, and Joanne had, she has some issues. She needs prayer, okay, so just leave it at that. Just do some prayer. If you would pray for her, that'd be great. And my wife is recovering. Oh, man, poor girl.

Both of them are in a lot of pain and just having to deal with what they've got to deal with. Having said that, let's see, still nobody waiting. Oh, where's my coffee? Oh, there it is. And, you know, I love coffee. Maybe I'm addicted.

I don't know. I think coffee's awesome. You know, I look forward to getting up in the morning for one main reason.

Well, two, I want to get to serve God, and the other was coffee. And my wife and I have a nice little special coffee machine. And over the years, I've perfected, I mean, perfected a cup of coffee so that when I drink it, it's like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah. I like coffee, and so I have it in the morning. And then I sometimes have one during the day, like about now, so I have a cup. And someone sent me a coffee cup. I have it in my hand. It's one of those kind of cups that you can, on your phone, you can tell, you know, send it to what temperature you want. So I have that.

And I have to rewire everything, make it perfect. Like, that's a perfect temperature for me. So it's all good. All right.

We've got Champ saying he's praying for my wife and Joanne. Thank you very much. And if you want to watch the show, watch me sitting here. And even if you are interested, you can participate in the chat, in Rumble. Just go to rumble.com forward slash Batslick Live.

That's one of the things you can do, and you can check that out there. All right. I didn't get on Discord last night. Just got exhausted. And can you put your mic closer? Your mouth sounding warbly.

Warbly? Let me see if this, let me try the notes. This is live stuff. It should be working fine. It should be working. Everything's such fine. Tell me if it's okay now. All right, all right, all right, all right. I think, oh, there's a call coming in from the one and only Jermaine.

He's awesome. And what I'm going to do is look at some of my emails, because Friday, today's Friday. I can't believe it. You know, the past two weeks, I've been off a day on what day of the week it feels like. You ever had those, you know, it feels like Wednesday.

You know, it's actually a Thursday and stuff like that. So that's what's been happening to me. It's been interesting. All right. And we have radio questions that I can get to, a question for the show. I can get to that as soon as, let's get to Jermaine from California.

Hey, Jermaine, buddy. Welcome. You are on the air. Hey, happy Friday to you, Matt. I am.

Yeah, man, thanks. Yeah, you know, you were with a caller, I think it was last week, and you have made a comment about you do not trust Muslims, I believe. And I just wanted to kind of hear you elaborate on that.

And I think I might know why, but I just wanted to hear you develop it because I had a follow-up afterwards. Because there's something they can practice called takiyah, and it is the practice, not all Muslims will do this, but it's within the religious system that they can practice deception in order to promote Islam. I remember a friend of mine, he comes over every few years. I don't, we don't talk because he's in a foreign country, I have to be very careful, teaching, helping. And he's a Christian, and it's a Muslim country. And he told me this story of, a true story of a Christian man and a Muslim man whose families were very close, they loved each other, their children would spend a night over each other's houses, that kind of thing, over 25 years. And then the imam of the Muslim told the Muslim, go kill that Christian guy, and he did, just did it. And it says in Surah 9, to kill the infidels.

Now, if you were to go to, and I recommend people do this, I'm going to do it right now, thereligionofpeace.com, thereligionofpeace.com, it documents how many Islamic terrorists have, how many attacks have been carried out since 9-11, and it's 47,012. And so, I can't trust a Muslim, because they believe the Qur'an, the Qur'an teaches deception, and domination, and they serve a false god. I also can't trust Mormons, because I know that in Mormonism, they practice deception as well. There have been countless accounts of Mormons who will deal with Gentiles, they call them, and will bankrupt people, because they'll go with a deal, and then they go back on their word with a contract, say, sue me, that kind of thing. And they've hurt a lot of people that way. So, you know, those are the reasons I won't trust them, unless I have to, if you know what I mean, okay?

Okay, you know, I'm really thankful that God led me to this show, because that was going to be my example. I have a lot of in-laws who are involved in the Mormon religion, and a couple are elders, and my experience has been growing up with some of the ones who I felt were more trustworthy, were the least faithful, they were more what we used to call Jack Mormons, where they were pretty much, they were there, but they were not really Mormon, but they didn't want to lose their whole families by abandoning the religion. But my wife had an experience with a startup company, and she was, she poured a hardened soul into this, and she had, and for her in-law and aunt, and the short version is she did everything for this woman, and then came to find out that it was an attempt to really steal her business, not so much work with her. And my wife was crushed, and I said, hey, you know, we still love them as people, but I've learned, unfortunately, it seems like those particular types of Mormons like to work with each other, and they probably had an idea to do this from the very beginning, because they see you as less than them. And that exactly pretty much worked from her word, which you said, that's exactly what was attempted. It didn't work, you know, God had my wife's best interest at heart, I'll just say that, and they failed miserably, and she still says hello and treats them well, but they, everything that you said is exactly what they did.

It was an attempt to steal, to dominate, and just, they ended up kind of going bankrupt themselves in a way. So yeah, I really appreciate that answer, because people can take it the wrong way and not fully understand your reasoning, which is, in my opinion, very biblical. Yeah, and here's the thing, just to be fair, not all Mormons and not all Muslims are like that, but enough of them are that you have to be careful. The, well, let me just say that as far as Mormons go, I have heard so many stories, in fact, I'll tell you a story, this is a true story, a guy told me to my face this stuff. We sat outside, had coffee, and he told me exactly what happened, and he was, had gone out to a city not too far from here, in, on the east side of Idaho, to take care of his father's business who had passed away.

So he was out there for three or four weeks. Well, before he had gone out there, he was a faithful Mormon, he and his wife, and he asked a question about the Book of Mormon or something like that, Mormon history, and the bishop said, we don't ask questions like that. And he was, he told me he was a little upset by that. Well, what do you mean you don't ask questions like that?

Well, it's just a question. And he said he wasn't doubting Mormonism, he wasn't going to leave, but he wasn't saying anything, he wasn't causing any problems, he just was puzzled to him. Anyway, so, okay, whatever, he said, didn't really mean anything, and he went out to another city, took care of business, another three or four weeks, whatever it was. Came, on the way back, he called his wife, and his wife said, don't come home. What do you mean don't come home? Yeah, don't come home, because we're getting a divorce. Divorce?

What are you talking about? So he went to the house anyway, and there were several Mormons there, and there was another man there, the man she ended up marrying. There were some suits, and they presented this, the husband, the first husband, they presented him with a lawsuit of divorce, and he had done this while he was gone. And they just pulled a rug off underneath him, he lost his cars, he lost his home. And he worked for a Mormon company, they fired him. So within just a day, he's destitute. He had $2,000, he told me, $2,000. And he wanted to use that to buy a car, a used junker car, just to get around so he could find work. Because now, you know, his situation was so bad. Well, he had a Mormon buddy, you know, they've loved each other, you know, forever, you know. And he says, that car you were selling, hey, can I buy it?

And he goes, yeah, sure, sure, no sweat. So this Mormon guy took his money and kept the money in the car. And this is how he was treated.

Why? Because he asked a question and wasn't happy with the response of don't ask questions. And that's why they did this, it went after him. I've heard this kind of story many times from Mormons, people who have been Mormon. It's a cult, you know, it's a cult, and that's one of the tactics that cults use. And Islam is similar. You know, it's what you expect from religions that, where men invented them to get lots of women, lots of money, lots of power, you know, it's just what it is.

So yeah. Yeah, and I've also found the same to be true of Jehovah's Witnesses, and they all have their version of a theological reason that they can lie to you. And just being around some of the Mormon folks, or they like to call themselves LDS these days, they, they don't like the term Mormon. They want to be as closely identified with Christianity as possible, and to see as many as they can. But I always hear one particular lady, she always says we, we need to go out and preach the gospel. But she never elaborates on what exactly that is.

And I just wait for her because I know they're trying to set you up. And they're used to believers that don't read their Bibles. And, you know, the question has been asked, hey, what is the gospel? And they have, you know, of course, their version of the gospel is not the true gospel and it, uh, it is damning.

Yes. In fact, what the Jehovah's Witnesses call that tactic is called theocratic warfare. There's a term for it, theocratic warfare, it used to be like, that's what it used to call it. And, uh, and Charlie's putting in theocratic tact. So they have the, they're justified when, when groups are justified in lying to further their, their cause. Something's wrong because the true God does not lie, does not lie. So false religions, lying is a tool to be able to, to expand your kingdom and who's the father of lies, Satan and his kingdom is who their memberships are in this kingdom of Satan.

The Muslims, the Mormons and, uh, Jehovah's Witnesses and other groups that teach lying as a strategic way to further their religious, uh, truths. So bad news. All right, buddy. All right. Thanks a lot, man. I appreciate you. Hey, appreciate your questions, man.

They're always good. I mean, you're awesome. All right, folks. Hey, breaking the call, it's 7-7-2-0-7-2-2-7-6, be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, the number's 877-207-2276. Let's get on the phone with David from California. Welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt. Uh, basically my question is, well, I know women are not to be in a position as pastor or elder. I was curious about the position of deacon.

Yeah, they're not to be women either. Deacons must be men of dignity, not double tongued or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain, but holding to the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. That's 1 Timothy 3, 8 and 9. Verse 10 says, these men must also first be tested and let them serve as deacons.

They are beyond reproach. Women must likewise be dignified. Deacons must be husbands of only one wife and good menages that are children. Verse 12.

So women are not qualified to be deacons. Okay. Okay. So basically interchangeable or?

With what? Deacons and elders would be interchangeable as far as what they, what the position is? No. Elders include pastors and elders are the ones who rule well. Like 1 Timothy 5, 17, but deacons, they're the ones who deal with the issues of administering help to the needy within the congregation. That's their main work, main job.

Elders job is to preach and teach, and both are places of authority within the church and they're not for women. Okay. Okay. Good. Just checking.

Yeah. A lot of people, they don't get it. They don't like the idea of women being restricted from those positions. It's not my issue. It's the issue of the scriptures.

And I'll do this once again. I just offer a challenge to anybody out there in the United States who wants to do a formal public debate in a church, have it be filmed and on does the Bible support women pastors and elders. And I've been offering that challenge for, I don't know, maybe 20 years, I guess.

Not a single opportunity has arisen for anybody to take me up on that. Not one. I wonder why that would be. I wonder what that would be. What do you think? Maybe it's because it's not in scripture, their position.

Yeah. Similar follow up on that, as far as women being given a title of pastor, if it was over, say women's ministry or children's ministry, is giving their position the title of pastor okay or should they just be called something else? They should not be called pastor, but they're not a pastor. A pastor is, here to me, let me go to 1 Timothy 5.17, and I'll tell you some reasons why they shouldn't be called that. It says, the elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching.

Now I'm going to go to Ephesians chapter 4, it's turning around verse 8, he said he gave gifts to men, he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers. So the noun in the Greek is in the masculine, pastor is poimanes, and it's for the working of the service and building of the body of Christ. Pastors are by default elders, because they work hard at preaching and teaching, and the elders are to be anermeskonikas in the Greek, women, men of one woman, or men of one wife, husband of one wife.

Women cannot fit that bill. So deacons don't serve in preaching and teaching, the elders do that, their difference. And oh, sorry your question was, should they call them pastors? No they shouldn't, because let's say you have somebody, a newborn believer, and he goes into a church where they don't allow women elders, but call a particular woman a pastor of the women's group. Well now he's hearing, oh, it's women pastor, okay. So he has to move for a job, and there's a leftist wacko church down the corner, women pastor, you know, whatever her name is, of the church, or what's happening now. And they go, oh, women pastors are biblical, so he goes to the church. Okay, I was just kind of curious about that, because I've got an interesting situation with my sister being, or my mother being a econist at her presbyterian church, and my sister being titled as an elder at her church. And so just sorting out, I know for my sister that's a bad position, I'm struggling whether or not to call that position right for my mom. And then the church I'm currently attending, the person who is over the children's ministry just finished seminary, so they were giving her, I guess, title of pastor over children's ministry, but I wasn't sure if that was appropriate or not for that position.

No it's not, no it's not. And women can go to seminary, when I went to seminary there were women, but they couldn't enter into the pastorate degree, that was for men only. And so that pastorate degree was a three year degree, masters of divinity was a three year degree, which is what I did. And then they have masters of arts and religion, and women can go with that.

And that's fine, go, you know, learn. Women can be used in other areas of church, they can certainly teach women, they can certainly teach children, they can be of incredible value, they can be researchers, they can be assistants, they can help administer, they can do all kinds of stuff. It's just that there are not to be pastors and elders. Now, I'm going to just say this out loud, for everybody to hear, if you go to a church with a woman pastor, elder deacon, you need to leave, because they're not holding up to biblical theology.

And in my research I did years ago, 80% of the denominations that adopt women pastors within two years start adopting pro-homosexuality. And you know, Paul the apostle says in 1 Timothy 2, 12 and 13, he said, I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over men, but to remain silent, for Adam was first created. So this is not a cultural issue, this is an issue of what's called primogeniture, which is the teaching that the firstborn male has certain rights, that the secondborn male in the family does not, and that the primogeniture, you know, Genesis first formed first male.

And they may not like it, but that's just what it says. Firstborn title is, firstborn male, firstborn title is transferable. It's a position of authority and honor. And it's related onto the issue of the Adamic created order, because Eve sinned before Adam did. She was in the world there with Adam, but sin entered the world through Adam, not through her, even though she sinned first. That's Romans 5, 12, because he was the federal head, the representative of his descendants. And it says in 1 Corinthians 15, 22, in Adam all die. And in Romans 5, 18, through one trespassed the resulted condemnation to all men.

So this is talking about Adam's failure, and through his transgression, the many were made sinners, Romans 5, 19. So male headship is just the issue. Now women don't like it, I don't care if they like it or don't like it, the issue is you need to submit to what the word of God says.

And so if you can have a presbyterian denomination that has women elders and pastors and stuff, I would suspect that this is probably the united presbyterian church. Which is, it's liberal, it's bad. And uh... Gotta go. Oh, you gotta go? Okay.

So, bad stuff. Okay? Alright buddy.

So, yeah folks, when I say this kind of stuff, it's not just a, I'm just trying to be a shock jock or something like that. It's just what the Bible says. And again, I'll offer this challenge up, if anybody wants to have a formal, in-person debate in a church on this topic, does the Bible support women pastors and elders, let me know. And we'll arrange it.

I've been offering this for over 20 years on a regular basis, not a single taker. Let's get back to everything right after the break. Please stay tuned and be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it's easy, 877-207-2276, let's get to Alberto from Georgia. Alberto, welcome brother. You're on the air.

Yeah, good evening Matt Slick, I have a question. When women Catholics claim to be a child of God and all that, even though they persecute evangelical Christians in the job and all that, or they join with the unbelievers, mock them and all that, how can they still be considered a child of God anyway? Well, see when you talk about individual Catholics who do stuff that's right or wrong, it doesn't represent the whole church. But children of God is given by adoption. So in John 1-12, as many as received him to them, he gave the right to be called the children of God. So they think they're children of God, but they're not because they're Catholics. And the Catholic Church teaches a false gospel, a false priesthood, and a false Mary. So there might be real born-again people in the Catholic Church who are children of God, in the sense of being truly adopted and redeemed, but normally speaking, no they're not. They're, I don't want to say wicked step-children, but they're not children of God in that sense, okay? So what we're thinking about, like you say, is Catholics, they say they're children of God, and yet the Bible says, he who loves the world, the things of the world, the love of the Father is not in him, but he's the enemy of God.

He won't be a friend of God, it's the enemy of God. So my most, my experience, most Catholics, you know, they said that they're Catholics, that they're out there in the clubs, walking, drinking, partying, and so that's why they're the Catholics. But you're just talking about individuals and experiences, that doesn't mean, you know, we have to go with what the Catholic doctrines are, not the faulty behaviors of some of its members. That's why I'll say, you know, I had a Mormon missionary once threaten me with death, and it doesn't represent all Mormons. So I don't use that as an example of what Mormonism is, that's not what Mormonism, well, historically they killed a lot of people, but in the 1800s they did, but that's not the official doctrine, that's not what they, you know, so I don't use that as a representation of them. You shouldn't do the same thing.

You should not do that either, I should say. You have some bad Catholics out there who are doing stuff hypocritically, that doesn't represent the Catholic Church, okay? Okay, so in other words, basically the worldly lost folks feel comfortable around all Catholics, because they're not a threat to the community of Satan, basically, from Catholics. They're not a threat to the community of Satan. Well, I can't say, you know, you can have people, different levels of spirituality, I can't just judge all of them in that sense of not knowing their motives or behaviors.

That's why I refer to official Roman Catholic theology, and go specifically on that, and then apply it as we can to individuals and see where they're at in relationship to that, so. All right? Okay, I got a quick question for you, if you don't mind.

Sure. Well, I hear people at the Center say, they say, well, I don't have a problem with Jesus, just with Christians, but in reality, if Christ was here in the flesh, the biblical Christ, I guarantee you, they will have, they will have problems with Jesus, because it's easy to say that, because he's not here, so they can manipulate the Jesus, the way they want him to be like, so he didn't say, I don't have a problem with Jesus, of course, but because the minute, but the Jesus, they got the way based on what they, the way they like him to be not based on scripture. So if you have a problem with, with Christians, the Christian is the body of Christ, and it's the blood of Christ, so if you have a problem with Christians, you're going to have a problem with Jesus, because Jesus is the bread of the, he's the bread of the, you know, the wife. Sometimes Christians are not very good Christians. Some of them don't represent Christ very well, they're full of hypocrisy sometimes, and impatience, and Christians are known a lot of times to not be very dedicated to Christ, so there's false converts within the Christian faith. But this is why I say, go with what the official doctrines are, go with the person of Christ, we're always going to fail. But don't look to us, look to Christ, and then we're trying, true Christians are trying to emulate Jesus. All right?

Yeah, but, okay, concerned, let's ask something real quick, so I'm going to keep you going. One time I met a guy on the street, I gave out some guys some gospel tracts, one of the other guys, they wouldn't accept the tract, he said, then he said, why, he said, oh, Christians are hypocrites. Then I asked him, okay, so you said Christians are hypocrites, why don't you, I told him, why don't you accept Christ and live the Christian life the way you expect us to live by it? So that he didn't like that either, because he know he can't live up, he can't live up to it either. So because he's a judge, but if you're a hypocrite, then he can't live up to it either.

Go ahead. No, that's a good response, I like that, good for you, yeah, that works. Because he walked away, he got quiet. Yeah, well, you know, a lot of times people use that as an excuse, and you just called him out. Yeah, exactly. All right, buddy, good stuff, man. Yeah, all right. All right, Albert, thanks.

You're a great woman, nice to meet you. All right. We'll see you. Bye-bye.

All right. All right, let's get to John from Charlotte, North Carolina, John, welcome, you're on the air. Hey, man, it's your chocolate brother in Christ, how you doing, man? Hey, man, how you? How you doing? You hanging in there okay?

I'm hanging in there, man, I'm feeling pretty good, I'm getting old, but you know, I'm here another day, get to see my kids, and get to see them girls, so I'm very blessed. I got a question for you, man, I had two of them, but I forgot what the other one was. But I was doing a little bit, not hardcore research, but some research on the fact that when believers get to heaven, we won't be able to see God the Father, we'll see Jesus Christ, so we won't be able to see God the Father, and first off, is that correct from your studies? Yes. And if that's the case, why not? Because I saw a little bit of some commentary that said no man can see God and live, but if we're in our glorified bodies, why wouldn't we be able to see him? We're kind of confused about why we wouldn't be able to see God the Father.

Yeah, no man can see God, for no man can see my face and live, and that's Exodus 33 20, because he says that to Moses, cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live. Now when we go to 1 Timothy 6 16, we see, speaking of the Father, who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light whom no man has seen or can see. So we don't find anything in scripture that says, oh, well, they can if they're in resurrected bodies. We don't find that in scripture. It's often the case, when I show Mormons, for example, I'll show them that verse, that the Father dwells in unapproachable light whom no man has seen or can see. That refutes all of Mormonism, because Mormonism is based on the first vision where Joseph Smith said he saw God the Father. Well, the Bible says he can't. So what they'll do then, well, the Bible's wrong, the Bible's changed, or that means if you're not a prophet, or unless you're blessed, you just throw in excuses to make it fit that Joseph Smith is somehow true. So when anyone changes God's word or just inserts stuff in it to change its meaning, well, it's false.

So what we have to do is say, well, what does it say? What it does say is he dwells in unapproachable light whom no man has seen or can see. So when we get to heaven, I don't believe we'll be able to see the Father. Maybe we'll see the glory of God. Like Acts 7, 50, let's see, Acts 7, 55 through 60, it says here, Acts 7, 55, being full of the Holy Spirit, that's Stephen, being stoned, gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God. People say, well, Matt, that proves he saw God. No, it says he saw the glory of God. So God dwells in unapproachable light. So that is probably what he was saying, the unapproachable light, the glory of him.

That's what it is right there. But your best guess, why do you think we wouldn't, why do you think that we wouldn't, not why we wouldn't be able to, but why is it, why do you think that's so? Really because God is so majestic in his holiness and his power and his grandeur being greater than the entire universe and that we could not handle his presence.

This is why we have the incarnation so that there's a way to communicate with us that the son Jesus Christ, that's probably what it is, but it doesn't say for sure. Right. Okay. All right. All right, man. Well, speaking with you as always, man, I appreciate if I ever think of that other question, I'm going to give you, I'll give you a call back next week or something. Sounds good.

That's what I'm here for. All right, man. All right, man. You take care. God bless you.

You too. All right. All right. All right. Now let's see before the break, which is coming up any minute, Jeff from South Carolina.

Jeff, welcome. You're on the air. Good evening.

Good evening. I just got a quick question. I don't know. Oh, there's the music. Might not be very interesting.

No, we'll see. Hold on after the break, okay, brother, because the break's just going to start and then we'll get to you after the break, so hold on. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages.

We have three open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276, we'll be right back. Here's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. We have one caller waiting. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. All right, Jeff, welcome.

You're on the air. Hello. I'm not sure how to go about the question, but I believe Jesus is God. I believe in the Trinity. Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. God was a manifest in the flesh, but when I was younger, I would play directly to Jesus. I would just start playing to Jesus, but now or later, I always think I have to say, like the Lord's Prayer, like call on God the Father in the name of the Lord Jesus, but I don't know why I have an issue. I want to play directly to Jesus sometimes, and sometimes I'm just by myself. Well, that's not correct. Maybe I shouldn't.

Yes, it is. An associate or former Presbyterian preacher, he would preach at church in both ways. I mean, what's my hang-up? Why does that...

I'm not sure. Why do I want to play directly to Jesus, but then I'm like... Let me just tell you the biblical evidence, okay? In John 14, 14 Jesus says, ask me anything in my name and I will do it. That's prayer to Christ. In John 16, 23 and 24, in that day, Jesus says, you will not question me about anything. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask the Father anything in my name, he will give it to you. Until now, you've asked for nothing in my name.

Ask and you will receive so that your joy may be made full. This applies then to the believers in Christ. In Acts 7, 55 or 59 through 60, Stephen is being stoned and he has a vision of God the Father and he sees Jesus and he prays to Jesus. He addresses Jesus. In 2 Corinthians 12, 8 and 9, Paul the Apostle, he says he implored the Lord Jesus three times.

You know, about his thorn in the flesh. And Jesus said, my grace is such great grace. In 2 Corinthians 12, he said?

12, 8 and 9, yes. And then there's another verse and it's from the Old Testament reference. And it's, for example, out of, let's see, Psalm 116.4. And this is an interesting one because in Psalm 116.4, they call upon the name of the Lord and they call upon him and that means to pray to him because they call upon the name of Yahweh.

Yahweh, I beseech you, save my life. And so he's praying to him. That's what it means to call upon the name of Yahweh. Well, that's the Old Testament Hebrew.

The new test, the Greek, excuse me, when the Jews translated that, the Old Testament Hebrew into Greek, they translated it on the name of the Lord in Greek, hakurias. So call upon the name of the Lord, the whole phrase deals with prayer, adoration and worship to God. It's the phrase call upon the name of the Lord, not the phrase, not the word call, not the word name, but the phrase call upon the name of the Lord. And that phrase is used of Jesus in 1 Corinthians 1, 2 when it says that the church, everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord, Jesus. So it's proof of his deity as proof that we can pray to him.

So there's five areas where you can demonstrate that. Also you can also go to, if you want, St. Corinthians, let's see, 13, 14, all right. And it says there, in St. Corinthians 13, 14, let me go over, put this in my notes here, I'm going to write an article on this.

It says grace in the Lord Jesus Christ and love of God and the fellowship of the Lord Jesus be with you all. Well, if you have fellowship with the Holy Spirit, it's because you're speaking to him. And in 1 John, excuse me, 1 Corinthians 1, 9, God is faithful through whom you're called into fellowship with his son, Christ Jesus. How do you have fellowship with someone you don't pray to and talk to? So you can pray to Jesus and there's nothing wrong with that, he's God in flesh, all right? That's great. Yeah, I knew I'd get a lot of answers from you and it's good to hear it from another brother in Christ to give me some scripture that I can read and, I mean, I shouldn't feel this way, I don't know, I believe in the deity of Christ, he that liveth and was dead and behold he is the life forevermore, amen, he's God, you know?

Yes. And people might say, well then why did he say when you pray our Father art in heaven? He didn't say only pray this way. Now when they ask him how to pray, he's there, sitting there under the law and what's he going to do? He's going to say, well this is how you pray, pray to the Father, why? Because he's made under the law, Galatians 4, 4. So he prayed to the Father, this is how you pray and we should pray to the Father but we can also pray to the Holy Spirit, we can pray to the, go ahead, when he went to the cross he fulfilled the law, he fulfilled all things, right, he did, that's right and so that's why but also we see that the issue of prayer is applied to him after his ascension into heaven in Acts 55, 59, 60, 1 Corinthians 1, 9, 1 Corinthians 1, 2, 2 Corinthians 12, 8, 9. Okay, so it's okay to pray to him, am I right? That's good, I really appreciate that, you answered my questions so I'm going to do some Bible reading now. I haven't really been reading the Bible much lately, my mom is, she'll be 90 years old next week and she's had a lot of issues and I'm disabled so I'm on disability so I'm the one that's here with her and they're trying to take this medicine, take that medicine, you know, that's a little bit tough but we're hanging in there, one day at a time, yes that's right, that's what caretakers do, I'm a caretaker, that's my wife, one day at a time and you just do what you've got to do, one day at a time, you keep your eyes on the Lord Jesus and you do what you've got to do, alright, right, I've been praying that she gets stronger and she gets through what other things she's going through, yep, that's what we do, God lets us do it, he lets us go through it, alright, I'm like, I don't want to go through this, I don't want to go through this, I'm going through it, I'm like, God give me this strength, you know, I want my wife to get on the radio and talk about this, she's in a situation right now where all the combined problems she's had of being hurt are nothing compared to the one she's going through now and I want her to get on the radio when she recovers that she gets on the radio and talk about this with people, I know that people are going to hear what she has to say, yeah, probably help a lot of people, yes, yes it would, but she's chicken to speak on the air, I just say, look we'll just call me on the phone, you're just talking to me, I get nervous just calling and asking a question, it's no big deal, I don't see how people can stand up in front of them and preach to people, yeah I love doing that, for me that's one of the most favorite things to do is get up and preach and teach in front of a group, I love it, but then I'm afraid of heights, see, I can't understand why people can get close to an edge or go up on a bridge and look over, I can't do that, but in front of a group, no problem, see people have their issues, okay, so that's just what it is, okay, well I hope you have a good weekend, I appreciate it, well good, oh that reminds me of things you were telling me, okay, sounds good, okay, alright man, yeah, I smell the beef stew in there, it smells pretty good, well good, have a good weekend, God bless, you too man, God bless, okay I just remembered something that tomorrow I'll be online speaking at an online conference, Ministry to Muslims, that's just you know Ministry to, TO, Muslims, and so I'll be speaking on a particular topic, is the Eastern Orthodox Priesthood Biblical, and I've been working on a PowerPoint presentation, so last week I did, what is there, sacerdotal salvation, it's a salvation of system of works and things like that, and so I'll be doing that tomorrow, I don't know exactly what time, but if you're just curious about it, you can go to ministrytomuslims.com, and you can check it out, I'm looking at the page right now, and Anthony Rogers, I know Anthony, and Eddie Delcor, and who else is going to be there, oh I know VOCAB, Dr. Tony Costa, yeah they're going to have some good stuff, great debate series, I don't know who Pastor Owen Giles is, the other guys, I have all their numbers, we talk, they're great guys, man, it's George Saig, he speaks Arabic, and he has a Ministry to Muslims, he is such a great man, he's a great guy, and he wants me to fly out to the East Coast in August to speak at a conference, and so I'd like to go, but my 50 year high school reunion is the same month, so I don't know if I can, because I want to go to the reunion, my wife said she wanted to go, but I don't know if she can make it, but it depends, we'll find out, now there's going to be debate from Ministry to Muslims, Tony Costa's going to debate Shadid Lewis, I've debated Shadid before, and he's a Muslim, and let's see, Shadid Lewis and VOCAB Malone, that's going to be interesting, I know VOCAB, VOCAB is great, Tony Costa's great, and Anthony Rogers, yeah he's okay, whatever, Anthony gave his back to him, hopefully he'll smile, no he's great too, and they're all great guys there, a lot of good speakers, a lot of good stuff, and I've had the privilege of speaking alongside of these guys, that's what's kind of intimidating, I remember I went down into Anaheim, California last year to speak at the Ministry to Muslims conference, and I'm sitting there with these guys who, they know a lot, they really do, and I'm going to say this, it's just a little bit intimidating to be up there with these guys who have doctorate degrees and have studied a particular issue for many years, and so there's a lot to learn from good people that God has raised up, and there's a lot of good men out there, so there you go, there you go, if you're interested in checking out more, it is ministrytomuslims.com, I want to see what the upcoming events things is, because our strong tower of California east coast tickets on live, OST live, I've got to check this out, it's already password protected, I've got to look at it and see, anyway there you go. 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