Matt Slick Live

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Francis, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. Listen to Matt Slick live.

Today's date is March 12th, 2025. We had a bit of an unscheduled, let's just say, problem that manifested here at the Slick household, and we had to take care of stuff, so no live show yesterday. But we're back on now. If you want to give me a call, as usual, all you have to do is dial 8772072276.

We have nobody waiting right now. I'm going to ask that the Christians out there pray for somebody. Now, well, I've got a couple people. First, most important is, I had a discussion for about an hour with an atheist. One-on-one discussion, a very polite gentleman, and I just asked him, because God knows who he is, and I'll just call him Tom, and would you pray that he would be saved?

It was a good conversation, and all we could do is ask God to be merciful to him. Please, just remember to lift up Tom. Also, if you would be so kind, lift up my wife. The problem yesterday was, let's just say, hospital time, et cetera, and she could certainly use some prayer, and she's home now, and I ask for your mercy on her.

Please be with her. Also, I haven't lifted up Joanne, but Joanne, she works with Carm as well, and Joanne had some surgery, and it really knocked her under the table. It just really has, so if you'd lift her up as well, and just pray and ask for her to be healed by the good Lord Jesus Christ, and that his will be accomplished through the women associated with Carm, we would ask that.

And also, you know what? I'm going to just ask this, too. Please pray for Charlie and Laura. They work with Carm as well, and just ask that you'd bless them. I ask the Lord that he'd bless them, and that you would pray for them.

Lift up the staff of Carm. Every now and then, you know, we do get under some form of attack, and things happen. It's not that big a deal. It's a big deal, but it's not a big deal.

You know how that kind of stuff is. Just want to lift up everybody here at the intergalactic headquarters of the Carm empire, and that you'd be so kind as to pray for them, because they could use that. I certainly could, too. I can go on about prayer needs, but just please pray. All right, we've got a call coming in, and this Saturday, let me get the calendar up, I'll be speaking on the priesthood of the Eastern Orthodox Church, and that will be online. If you're interested in checking it out, you can go to ministry2muslims.org.

No, it's ministry2, I believe it is. George Saig, he's asked me to go out to the east coast in August to the Carolinas, and to speak at a conference. I know that's in the area where the radio show is and stuff like that, so I may do that.

Probably will, but we've got a bit of a problem in that my 50-year high school reunion is in August as well, and I'm trying to work out the schedule for both, because one's in Southern California, one's on the east coast. I want to do both, actually, and maybe if I do get out there on the east coast, here's a question. Would any of you want me to come to your church and speak? Bible study, preach, teach, whatever it is. You would have to email us at info at karm.org.

If I'm going to be out there, it won't be on your dime. I'll be out there ministry-related to speak at a conference, and I can just extend the time while I'm out there, so it'd be really nice. If you want me to do that, consider it.

Just what you could do is email us and say, hey, you know, Matt coming out there, Lord willing, in August to speak at a conference we've been doing on Islam, and what they'd like me to speak on at these conferences is on Christian theology, because I debate it so often, and I know it really well, that I can tie it into varying things of varying religious systems and show you this is where this is, and people apparently like it, and one of the reasons I've been told is because I get so exuberant when I'm teaching. I get excited. I've been to conferences where they say, okay, turn in your manual to page 12. Look at the middle of the page. Now look up here at the PowerPoint. All right, you see that? Now let's talk about it. I'm not like that. I'm like, look at this right here. Can you believe what this, this is what they actually say.

This is what they actually say, and I use gesticulations, and I need a lapel mic because I like to move. I get excited. I get excited when I'm preaching and teaching. Can't help it. It's called exuberance. So I get irked by heresy and exuberance when speaking the truth. How about that? Have a good t-shirt.

I'm irked at heresy and exuberance while preaching. There you go. Hey, let's get to Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome. You're on the air. Oh, hello, man.

Amen. What do you got, big man? Well, uh, today I actually want to discuss the, uh, not, not to get too deep into politics, but I have no choice. The, um, I don't know if you watched the presidential address to Congress last week. Yes, I did. I loved it. Like get the popcorn out and it was awesome.

Yeah. Yeah, I figured you would, but I'll just say, you know, I find those things boring sometimes by watching to be informed, although that one wasn't boring to me, but really just what disappointed me was the behavior that I observed in the Democrats. And, and I always try to look at politics as a believer, not necessarily joining a party, but it really reminded me of, uh, was a woman's 128 and an Exodus with the Pharaoh.

And I just wanted to kind of hear you break down the difference between a reprobate mind versus a hardened heart. Cause what I saw look spiritually wicked to me, where it didn't matter what the president said. And regardless of what you think, you know, that that office deserves respect.

The little boy could have got a little more respect. There were things to cheer for and they, they had it in their minds. They in their minds, they were not going to move. And if they were from Krypton and they had laser vision, they would have burned holes all through the president because they just did nothing, but just stare with contempt and hate in their heart. And I just kind of wanted to hear your thoughts on that on a reprobate mind versus a hardened heart. Well, since you said it, my personal opinion is a democratic party is a domestic terrorist organization that is ungodly in the service of the anti-Christ.

That's what I believe. They're, they're not an absolute terrorist organization, but they do the kinds of things that would undermine our country. Tax the crud out of people. They promote, uh, ungodliness, homosexuality, LGBTQ, uh, the minorities take over the majorities. They want nothing but socialist agendas. They are undermining our country. They don't want our schools to be governed by the states. They wanted to be governed by a single overarching system that can brainwash the children. They are ungodly. They want to kill the babies in the womb. They want to promote homosexuality and the alphabet mobs mentality everywhere. Uh, I don't, I cannot see how any Christian, a true Christian could be a true Democrat if they know what the Democrats teach.

I personally cannot see how that's, there's compatible and they are not compatible. A true Christian cannot be a Democrat, but who, because a Democrat holds to the killing of the unborn and the promotion of, of the evil of, of LGBTQ and the brainwashing of people, uh, and along with socialist principles, which are not biblical at all. And so, uh, if you're a Democrat Christian out there, you're inconsistent and you need to repent. And I'm not saying become a Republican.

I'm an independent myself, but you need to leave the, uh, the party. Now here's an article I wrote. You got me going here, man. I'm sorry, but an article I wrote a while back is, um, what, let me get, get to it.

Uh, and I'll get the exact title. What political party would the Antichrist belong to? And let's see what political party would, you know, that's what the title of the article is.

And as I wrote that back in July of 2024, I did a video on it. The policies of the Antichrist, according to scripture, pro LGBTQ, pro abortion supports a one world government will enforce compliance with their policies. Use of deceptions will make war with the Christians.

These are all documented out of the Bible to note what the Antichrist is. And these are the things that the leftist, um, uh, Democrats do. They are pro LGBTQ pro abortion. They want one world government and one socialist principles.

They, they, uh, will cancel you enforce compliance with their policies, uh, in liberal policies, you know, they use deception, uh, in a lot, they, they're lies, they're flat out lies and the compliance of the lying leftist media. Uh, and they're against Christians. So who would the Antichrist belong to? What party? Obviously the democratic party. Uh, that's obvious. So, um, uh, what reprobate mind now?

So you talked about that. That means that God has given them over to the depravity of their heart and their minds. Now this is out of Romans one 18 through 32. And, uh, the reprobation is a judgment of God upon of God upon them. Now they're given over to this. That doesn't mean that they can't eventually become saved if per chance things change, et cetera.

That's another topic, how that might work, but God gives them over. Now I forget the other part. Your question was, cause you mentioned something about that and uh, something else that you got me going. So I'm sorry, I got a little bit sidetracked, but uh, maybe you could revisit your question. But no, it was okay. You should actually have a segment called slick exuberance or something.

That was really nice. But, uh, what I was actually referring to is the difference between a reprobate mind and the heart and a hardened heart, like, uh, in Exodus with Pharaoh, or are they pretty much kind of along the same same lines? Hardened heart. People can have a hardened heart and not be what we would think theologically completely reprobate. So the thing about sin is it becomes comfortable and your worldview changes in, in, uh, and adapts to the, and is molded by it. Let me explain an illustration just popped into my head. Let's say we have a mass of something and it's a ball of, of lies, a ball of a crud, a ball of idiocy, and it's jagged and it has this massive of just bad stuff. And then your worldview is a, a sheet, a sphere around it. And you take the air out and it, your worldview conforms to the premises, the premises that you have in that it takes shapes and becomes contorted to the false ideologies, the false stuff. What happens at this point is you adopt a cult mind and that you become indoctrinated and your worldview and all facts are then in a filtered and interpreted in light of that corrupt worldview. So when this occurs, their hearts become more and more hardened.

And if they dive into it all the more, then they become reprobate. And the goal of this demonically is the war against the people of God and the person of God. And so when, when the unbelievers die on their death beds, listen for their words as they say, Oh no, something's wrong. Because this is their end, that when they are on their deathbed and they know they are going to enter eternity, many, many unbelievers, I've been doing research on this, will say things like, Oh no, Oh no. And there's varying degrees of things that they describe throughout the centuries. The unbelievers face the judgment of God and the horror of their own decisions and the consequences of their worldview.

And this is something that we Christians need to be aware of and pray for them. And I know we'll preach you here. Hold on, buddy. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. We'll be right back.

Welcome back to the show. Just want to do a recap here really fast. It's ministry2muslims.com. All one word, T0, T0. Ministry 2, T-O, ministry2muslims.com and information should be there.

You can check it out. Let's get back on with Jermaine. Jermaine. Hey buddy, welcome back on. Yeah, I'm still here. Good, man. You always give good questions, man. You always do. Come on up to Idaho.

You got to visit me. All right. I sure will. Once I get out there, I promise that. No, I'm serious, man. It'd be great. So, okay.

Where were we? So I was just, you see, you got me going, man. You got me started. You got me going on this. I'm sorry.

I thought you were speaking yet. Just like I said, just the difference between reprobate and hardened hearts. And I think you did a great breakdown of that. I'm glad you said that there can be repentance for some. Cause I do know people who were a part of that, that movement, I guess you want to call it. And they got awakened and they saw the light and, and some of them aren't even believers, but they saw that particular party would, as it is now is something they can no longer be a part of. And, you know, they're pro-American before anything else.

Yeah, it's, it's insane. I mean, you know, the thing is I've studied cults so much that, uh, I know what it, what it means to be brainwashed. And there are cult groups like false religions, like the Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholics. I will talk to individuals with who it doesn't matter what you say, their party slash church is correct. It doesn't matter.

Same issue. So whatever you say must be interpreted in the light of the truth, the truth is their church. The truth is their party because their party is the morally superior party. They're the ones that are right. Everybody else doesn't have the truth like they do. And that's it.

That's how it works. So they have the same mentality in the democratic system. They're arrogant, prideful fools as far as I'm concerned, because they want to say how everybody needs to spend their money. They want to say, this is the kind of morality that needs to be taught to your children. We're going to push this in the schools. They are arrogant fools and in the service of the anti-Christ. So this is a serious thing. I'm going to say this again. If you're a Democrat and you claim to be a Christian, you better study what the democratic party stands for because it's pro abortion, pro LGBTQ plus pro gun control, pro open your borders.

Let the, let us be invaded. Uh, they want to tax the crud out of people. How could a Christian be a party to that? I just don't get it. It doesn't make any sense. So, all right, buddy.

All right. And, uh, I did confront some family members who, with that very question, like, how could you, as a Christian support some things? And thankfully this is one of the few times where I have to be thankful for ignorance of many of them just by tradition of their families, but they had no real knowledge or depth of what the party is actually standing for now. Like they couldn't even name more than five or 10 people. And then I think ignorance is great in that, in that sense, because once they got confronted with the truth, they were conflicted and they have to look towards their Lord versus their party.

Right. It's a cult mind thing. You don't, you don't question the leadership. Your loyalty is to that overarching principle slash church slash political party.

You just identify with it. And that's where worth and truth is. And people don't think, and they, that that's it.

So you have to think is why I have to say what I say in the radio. I know I offend people. I don't care. Uh, I know that they don't like me talking politics and saying that if you're a Democrat, you really shouldn't be one.

If you're planning to be a Christian. Well, I don't care if they don't like it or not. This is what you can't. You can't. Okay.

You can't. So, um, they needed to hear it. They need to wake up. They need to start, uh, following Christ and not a political party, not a social thing.

And certainly don't vote for somebody because he's black or brown or white stupidity of people, you know, you vote for the right person who will hold the constitution, who will put America first and not allow the other countries to take advantage of us, open our borders to be invaded, let drugs come in. Cartels do all this stuff. Uh, let the, the invasion, uh, just continue. I'm reminded of what, how it was when I was in San Diego, you know, for this, I thought it would be necessary for me to learn Spanish and speak Spanish down there because we're invaded.

And so it was just, it was insane. Oh, I'm sorry. It, I get irked. See, you irked me. You caused me to get irked. It made for great radio, but I appreciate your answer, man. Thank you very much. That was wonderful.

Seriously. I love it when you call cause I know something good's coming every single time. Uh, every time. All right. You're always got something good. So, all right, buddy. So keep it up. All right, sir. All right. All right. Lord willing next time. Appreciate you Lord. Well, now you see, now you've got a high bar and you got to get a match.

So now the pressure's on. All right. So I'm sure you're up to it though. All right, buddy. God blessed God bless you. Okay. All right. Now let's get to Daryl from Texas.

Daryl. Welcome. You are on the air.

Hey brother, Matt. Nice to be on the phone with you again. Yeah. I was listening to all that. That was great conversation. Yeah.

I don't think person can be a Christian and still be a Democrat after all this math. I just, yeah, that's right, man. No bueno. That's right. Yep. That's right.

I totally agree. Oh, and by the way, before that, I hope Anik is doing okay, man. Oh, Anik. Uh, yeah. Um, I'm sorry, Anik. I apologize. Yeah.

I mispronounce her name. That's okay. Uh, let's just say she needs a lot of prayer right now. Yeah.

I don't want you to tell me details because she'd get mad at me, but, um, took a bad fall yesterday. Let's just say, and, uh, yeah, I gotcha. Yeah. Yeah.

Praying for her. Definitely, man. Um, okay. Uh, my, uh, question has to do with inseparable operations and I, you know, put your teaching on it and that's pretty concise.

Um, and if I'm not mistaken, it's the teaching that as one being in the Godhead Trinity, as he does the other, so to speak, does it also. Yes. In a sense, they all participate and it's necessary. Yes. Okay. I'll put your questions up and I'll explain more. Go ahead. Yeah. Um, this makes sense, but how would this then work during the crucifixion of Christ since we know the father was not crucified, which of course is a major heresy, right? That's what we call Patrick passionism.

So this is what you're asking is representative of a good level of questions I've been wrestling with the past year. And it's not like, Oh no, there's a problem. It's okay.

How do I check? How do I figure through this and work through this to explain it better? And so that's what I mean. All right. So what we want to talk about here is inseparable operations. And what that means is, well, let me back up for this and for the people who are listening, say, what the heck is this?

Okay. So the doctrine of the Trinity is that there's only one God in three distinct simultaneous persons. Now we call the, the being of God. We have a doctrine called divine simplicity. What that means is God is one thing, one substance, not three parts, but one thing, one part, one substance, the one substance is triune. So therefore the one being of God has one will. However, we observe the relationship of the persons as they are manifested in creation to us.

So we see how the father sent, the son was sent in the Holy spirit of conviction, things like that. Now we've got to break. So hold on. Let me get back.

We'll continue on about how this works. Thank you, everybody. Please stay tuned. 877-207-2276. It's Matt Slick live, taking a call at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it's easy 877-207-2276. Let's get back on with Darrell. Are you still there? Yes, sir.

I'm sure you're here, Matt. All right. So what you're asking is a very good question.

And, um, I tried to write something out during the break because sometimes it's easier to write it and correct it as you're writing it to get it better. So the doctrine of inseparable operations teaches that the father, son and Holy spirit always work together in every external act of God. They work together. Now, how does that mean?

That's the issue. Yet, if they, we say they work together, then the, they implies distinction. So we know that God is one substance, but the one substance is triune, which necessitates that God is both one and many at the same time. He is one being and many, in that he's three persons. The reason I use the phrase one and the many is because it deals with the philosophical issue of, of the nature of the universe being one thing or many things, and what's a necessary precondition for intelligibility. We'll get into all that, but nevertheless, since the Trinity is one being, the persons are then the one being, then we can say that they are all involved in what the other persons are experiencing or doing.

However, this does not mean that the person of the father was crucified, but that the son was. We call this the manifestation of the economic Trinity. So we have the necessity of the one being both, of God being both one and many. One being necessitates the participation of shared actions and the many in that their distinction is retained in their operations.

So one sends the other, one is crucified, but the other is not. And yet, since they are all by, by definition, the one being, then there must be some sort of inseparable operation that they are experiencing as the one being, yet there's also the retention and distinction of their functions and work. Now, this is, that's the closest I've gotten so far to make sense of it.

Okay? Yeah, yeah, that's deep stuff, I'll tell you. I mean, that's what I was thinking about this, and the communication of the properties as well has something to do with that as well, I'm sure.

Yes. Well, that deals, see, some will say inseparable operations deals with the hypostatic union and the communicati vidomatum as well. Now, I know we're talking big words here, but one of the things that we see, for those who don't, you know, may not follow what we're saying here, is Jesus said in John 5, 19, John 5, 30, he says, I can only do what I see the Father do. And this is really a very mysterious kind of statement.

What do you mean? He only does what he sees the Father does. And, you know, I'm reminded of a scene from The Chosen that I watched a few nights ago with my wife, not that I'd say it's good or bad, whatever, but they had, where the girl was stabbed, and, anyway, she died. And Jesus is right there, and he didn't heal her. And it was a good scene, you know, it was a little bit liberal, not liberal, I mean, they took extra, you know, you could fill in the Bible there. Anyway, and he said something which I thought was really interesting.

I liked it. He said, it says, it's not her time. And so Jesus was there to do the will of the Father. The will of the Father, in this sense, we use this illustration, was not, it was not the time for her to be healed. And so Jesus is saying, I can only do what I see the Father do. So that's why in this particular scene, I agreed with that, the format of it, because it lends credibility to the idea of inseparable operations.

He can only do what is approved of by the Father, because Jesus is made under the law. So this gets complicated, and it gets to be difficult. And then there's a doctrine called operations, the doctrine of divine operations, I think it is, where, or appropriation, excuse me, divine appropriation, where, but I think this is another phrase for the economic trinity, the aspects of each person being distinct.

Okay, all this in my head here, a lot of this stuff here. So I want people to understand, I'm going to break it down. God is one thing, and just imagine one thing, one being. But when he works in relation to himself, we recognize distinction, and as it comes to play in creation. So the Father elected us, that's in creation, in Christ.

The Father chose us in him before the foundation of the world. So the manifestation or the appearance of the Father Son and Holy Spirit occurs when they, he, God, is involved in creation. Then we perceive their distinction, yet they're all one being. So it necessitates that what one person is doing, the other is participating in.

But it's not that the person is being crucified, like the Father and Holy Spirit, but they're participating in their shared nature that is extended in the person of Christ. And yet there's distinction retained. It's hard to articulate, but yeah. Yeah, there's a lot going on.

Yeah, yeah. And so to me, if you really want to understand the trinity, you need to understand the ontological trinity, the economic trinity, and inseparable operations. You also need to know the perichoresis, immutability, and other things. And if you can understand these, you really will have a very good understanding of the trinity.

And then 95% of all the questions you have can be answered. And then regarding Christ, you need to know the doctrine of the hypostatic union, the communication of the properties, and also inseparable operations. And when you understand that, you're going to get most of those doctrines. And then you need to understand the doctrine of salvation, soteriology, with the vicarious substitutionary atonement.

That's a legal action done by the Word who became flesh was made under the law and bore our sins, which is breaking the law of God, et cetera, et cetera. Once you get these three main things down and you understand them well, you know more theology and understanding than 99.99% of all Christians. So yeah, the soteriological aspects of a lot of it, I'm pretty strong with. And the hypostatic union, I'm pretty strong with.

But it's these other few other things that we've been talking about here as well. I'm struggling a little bit, but I'm on my way. I appreciate it. Well, that's okay. I remember I first heard about the communicatio ideo matum in seminary.

Well, what the heck is that? And they explained it and went, oh, of course, that makes perfect sense. But I remembered for some reason, I remember the communicatio ideo matum, the phrase. And I remember reading about it in a doctrine book later. Well, there it is again.

And I had it in my head. And then a Christadelphian once, which is like a Jehovah's Witness, it's a non-Christian cult, said, wait a minute, Matt. He said, if Jesus is God and man, according to what you say, and only the human nature died, then how's the sacrifice of divine value? It's a great question. And instantly I went, oh, the communicatio ideo matum answers that. And I explained it to him.

He was stumped because there's the answer. So yeah, see, this stuff's important. I love this stuff. I like big words about God and Jesus and salvation. Big words are fun. And I think that's what's been a difficult time with modern day contemporary Christianity is because they've dumbed it down so much that when we start talking about things like this, a lot of people are like, oh, you guys are taking this way too far, you know? I've actually had people tell me that. I'm like, what? We're supposed to grow in the grace and the knowledge of the Lord Jesus last time I heard it. Then do what I do.

I'd say, okay, let me ask you a question then. So Jesus is both God and man, right? Yes. So did the divine nature die or did the human nature die? Oh, never thought about that.

The human nature. Well then how's the sacrifice of divine value? Oh, see, now that's why you need theology.

How is it that we can have fellowship with the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, yet if we pray to the single being who's God? See, what I've learned through all of this stuff is the more you know about him, the more the scriptures open up. But most people are satisfied with milptoast theology, pablum. And so they can't tell the difference between positive confession and biblical confession. They don't understand covenant versus dispensational.

And so the Christian church is weak because we gather to ourselves teachers that tickle our ears. Tell me the easy stuff, okay? Because I just got out of diapers. I just got out of my diapers.

I don't want to grow anymore. Tell me the easy stuff. Keep it easy, okay? Yeah, that's how it is. Yeah, that's right.

That's right. The Lord has blessed me down here. I found a good Reformed church.

It's only like five miles from my house, you know, and a pastor which held Iran, you know, the ecclesiology is really, really good. And, you know, with three elders and it's just such a blessing that they look at theology as more of a consistent nature because that's what, you know, proper theology, when you look at the Bible, it's going to be consistent. There's going to be consistency to it at a dispensational point of view. That's man centered on free will choice.

There's too many paradoxes they got to bring up with it because it's inconsistent. I agree. That's right. You got that right, buddy.

You are so smart. You are awesome. All right, buddy.

There's the music. All right, buddy. God bless. All right. Take it easy, brother.

All right. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages to talk about what you do with an abusive pastor and Christianity and yoga. That will be interesting. Please stay tuned. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it is easy. 877-207-2276. Let's get on with Alberto from Georgia. Alberto, welcome. You're on the air. Yes.

Good evening, Matt Slick. How do you determine if you're in a congregation, right? And the pastors and the leadership won't allow you to express yourself or defend yourself. They'll cut you off. They won't give you a chance to speak. You know, they'll mediate you in front of the congregation. They claim God told them this when you're after you know it's all gossip. You know, so how do you know you're really in the cold group or do you just submit yourself to that kind of abuse? It depends.

I mean, I don't know. A lot of people will say the pastor isn't doing something right when they are. A lot of times it's the people who are the problem. But if there's a pastor who's really, you know, using his power from the pulpit to discipline people or to get a lot of noise in the background. We've got a lot of noise in the background. Okay, hold on.

Let me just kind of put you on hold. Okay, so the thing is that what we need to do is just be careful and make sure that we're not in the wrong and that we are doing what we need to be doing before the Lord, submitting to leadership to the best we can without compromise. And yet we want to make sure that we're doing what we ought to be doing before God. So if the pastor is abusive, then you take notes, you figure things out and you talk to other people to see if he really is or if it's him or if it's you. So that's all I can say is that kind of thing. Okay, Alberto?

All right. What about the other congregations that are involved in it? They're in cahoot together. Well, now what you're saying is now the congregation is cahoots with an evil pastor. Well, I don't want to tell you. I mean, if it's really happening like that, that's bad.

But is it really what's happening? We have to just... Like an example, if you want to say something, the deacons shout you down. They won't let you speak. They'll mock you and they'll rejoice when the pastor insults you, humiliates you.

They'll rejoice about it. Yeah, I don't know what to tell you, man, because without seeing it, without knowing, you know, it's just too vague. And I really can't say it. Like they say, for example, they say that you really fear your sin, but in reality, you know, he said that God told them, but you know that through other sources... What you're talking about here is he said, she said. You're just not telling me about he said, she said. There's no way to verify anything.

No, I can't do anything with it. Like he said, he claims that God revealed your sin, but you haven't even gossiped it months before, before the pastor even said it. Okay, Alberto, I can't, look, I can't, I can't, Alberto, I can't deal with this because I don't know all the circumstances. If there's an issue, you need to go to take notes, you go to the elder and you, you know, if there's an issue, you go to other churches who might note other people. But, you know, with the phone here over there, over the air, I can't diagnose really what the true issue is.

So I just, it's not easy. Okay. Oh, oh, I'm talking about, I'm talking about also by the Boulder thing, I'm watching this video on Roland Martin, you know, channel, you know, by this girl named called Crockett.

She talked about that the immigrants working together with the patrols to help capture the, the bad criminals. Is that true or not? I have no idea. I have no idea about that. Okay. So don't know.

Because the immigrants work with the patrols and then to capture the bad immigrants work with the patrols. Yeah, I don't know. All right.

Don't tell you. All right. Thank you. Okay.

Thank you. All right, man. Okay.

God bless. Bye bye. All right.

Okay. Now let's get to Kyle from North Carolina. Kyle, welcome here on the air. Hey, Matt, how are you? I'm doing okay. I'm a little fatigued today.

Been a rough couple of days, but you know how life is hanging in there. So what do you got, man? I, uh, I was listening to your show on Spotify from a few days ago and you were talking about how you met someone talking about yoga. And, uh, and you said that they, they were mentioning that, uh, it led to liberalism or turning away from Christianity.

And I I've never heard that before. So I was hoping you could, uh, expand on that a little bit. Yeah. I may have to get her on the air sometime. Uh, she's, uh, a doctorate PhD, I think it is. And she earned it in doing that research on there and found that there's secular secular research to show that meditation in, uh, yoga position, stances, things like that actually alters brain chemistry towards liberalism.

I was like, are you serious? She says, Oh yeah. She says, there's more than one study. And so Charlie was there when we were talking about it. Remember that Charlie? Yeah.

He's nodding his head. And, uh, so let me see if I can find her book because I downloaded it and, uh, there it is. Unearthing yoga's ancient roots, unearthing yoga's ancient roots, uh, by Dr. Alana Arguello. Alana. So we, uh, we were out at Dallas at national religious broadcasting network a few weeks ago. We met her and we all had three of us, Dave and Charlie and myself. We had dinner with her out, you know, I went to a restaurant out there.

Really nice outside. Nice. And then we talked about it for like an hour, hour and a half. It was really interesting. So there you go. Okay. Ron Rhodes gave a forward to it.

Let's see. Ron Rhodes, Winford Cordwin, Pagon, pagan, but Pagon, um, Roach, Joseph Holden, Phil Fernandez, PhD, Damon, William Cooper, and, uh, another, uh, guy, PhD, give forwards to it. So anyway, yeah, it's something I want to start studying. It's a long book. It's a big book.

She did a really good job on it during the older stuff. Okay. Well, that's interesting. Thank you.

Sure. And Christian should not practice yoga. Stretching is different. Yoga is the practice of putting yourself in positions, body positions that are designed for spiritual achievement and you meditate and you do things in a position, focusing on energies, chakra, balancing, uh, items, ideas, and the positions are supposed to harmonize you, uh, with certain divine principles. This is what yoga ultimately is. Now, if you're stretching, you're not doing all that other stuff. Well, that's a stretching, but yoga is paganism. Okay. Really? Yep.

Yoga at its core is paganism. I, uh, I had one more question. I don't know if you have time. Sure.

Go ahead. Uh, I'm, uh, I've been looking at total depravity in the Bible and, uh, I came to Colossians 2 12, where it says, uh, we were raised up with him through faith in the working of God. Uh, from my understanding, I thought that was just what, like, this is just speaking of God's work, but I wasn't really sure. And I was wondering if you have, uh, have any, anything to say on that? On Colossians 2 12, having been buried with him in baptism.

Okay. In which you were raised up with him through faith in the working of God who raised him from the dead. So this is dealt with, uh, under the topic of federal headship. So a lot of people think that we become Christians at baptism. That's not the case. A lot of people think that we died with Christ when we get baptized or when we believe that's not the case. We died with Christ when he was crucified. Uh, he canceled canceled the sin debt at the cross. Not when you believe this is biblical stuff. This Colossians 2 14, a lot of people just don't understand this doctrine called federal headship or representation.

So we talked about this issue of being raised up with him and stuff. So total depravity just simply is a teaching that sin has touched all of what a human is. Heart, soul, mind, body, everything is touched by sin and affected by sin. Therefore he has nothing to offer God, even the sincerity of his heart, because it's touched by sin. It's not pure. And so therefore, uh, he is not able of his own to be able to please God.

And so that's the total gravity is there's other effects and relationships of that. So being raised up with Christ has to do with election and identification in what's called federal headship. So we died with Christ, Romans six, eight, we were crucified with Christ, Romans six, six, and a lot of people don't know that, you know, Romans six, six, our old self was crucified with him in Romans six, eight, we have died with Christ.

Well, I asked people, when was he crucified 2000 years ago? And that's when we're crucified with them when they just blows their minds because they think, no, it's all dependent on my action. And this is the heresy of the modern Christian church that the work of Christ is empowered when I decide to apply it to me, that's when it becomes effective. And that's a heresy. That's a false teaching.

It needs to be abandoned in the Protestant churches, as well as the Eastern Orthodox Roman Catholic churches. So true biblical theology is a federal headship that, uh, and election and people don't like it because it means that God chose people for salvation. That's exactly correct. As the second Thessalonians two 13 says, he chose us from the beginning for salvation to what it says. And election is out of Ephesians one four. He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, uh, that would be holy and blameless and love. He predestined us to adoption as to Christ Jesus. So this is what the Bible teaches. And the idea of total depravity necessitates election because total depravity means that a person will never have his own free will simply choose God. And people, they think that's all you need.

It's just up to you. But Jesus says in John six 65, you can't come to me unless it's granted to you from the father. If it's not the people's free will, well then free from what?

Where do they think it is? And if it's just up to them and they just need a little help from God, then why does it say you can't even come to him unless it's granted from the father. And in Philippians one 29 says, God grants that you have faith. So when I show people this biblical stuff, it shakes them. It shakes them up because they've not been taught this from today's churches in Protestantism because today's Protestantism teaches the blonde hair, blue eye, Caucasian surfer, Jesus dressed in a woman's nightgown, asking permission for you and your wisdom to let them into your heart so that he's then enabled to save you. And so what they're doing is they're right. They're making them their own free will in a form into a form of idolatry in the sense that it's my free will that decides I'm the one who chooses Christ.

And I'm the one who does this. That's not what the Bible says. In fact, when you go to flip to John one 12 and 13, it says, but as many as received him, this is talking about being born again and trusting in Christ.

Okay. As many as received him to them, he gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in his name, who were born not of the blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor the will of man, but of God. So the Bible clearly teaches this. And when I show people this from scripture, it's met with resistance. This is because they don't understand federal headship. They don't understand election. They don't understand predestination. They don't understand the depravity of man. They don't understand what free will is. They don't understand the sovereignty of God.

They've been taught mamby pamby theology from pulpits all across the country. And this is why we have these kinds of theological failings. It doesn't mean however, they're not saved. It just means that they don't have a deeper understanding of what God has revealed, because anybody who would choose to believe in Christ, and we do believe even as reformed and biblically that God grants that we believe we actually do the believing, but he enables us to do that and grants it to us. We actually do it, but we need to have that understanding that God's a sovereign king and that we choose because he chooses us. We believe because he grants it to us. We come to Christ because he grants it to us.

That's what we need to know in Christian theology, that most people resist it because they want themselves to be on the throne to some degree and not God. We're out of time. Sorry about that, Kyle. You probably had more to say.

Hey, give me a call tomorrow. Okay, buddy. And let's talk then. Sorry about that, folks. There's a little bit of preaching, biblical theology. We'll be back tomorrow by God's grace. Talk to you then. Another program powered by the Truth Network.