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So, we've got callers coming, but I'm going to talk about something. So, a question came in, I won't tell you here where, no big deal how, but does Mormonism teach that God had relations with his goddess wife? This is something I've always taught, and it's something I learned from Mormons back in California when I would talk to them. Now the internet's out, and some people have said that they can't find any documentation to verify that.

So, I talked to Bill McKeever, a friend of mine in Salt Lake City area, and he's an expert on this. And he got his file, which he's given me, and I should have looked there, but it's nice talking to Bill. And if you're listening, Bill, hey, buddy, waving at you. And we got talking about this, and President Harold B. Lee, the 11th President of the LDS Church says, quote, now the fact that you and I are here in mortal bodies is evidence that we were among those who were in that great concourse of organized intelligences. We knew God, our Father. He was our Heavenly Father, and we were sired by him. We had a Heavenly Mother.

Can you think of having a father without a mother? Teachings of Harold B. Lee, page 22. How about that? And I'm going to do some more research and some other stuff, but found that.

I thought it was interesting. There you go. We'll be getting back into that some later discussions tonight. Let's get to Jay from Ohio. Hey, Jay, welcome.

You're on the air. Hey, brother, how are you? Oh, fine.

I'm feeling a little obstreperous, semi-melancholy, and just a little bit tired. You asked. I'm just telling you.

That's an extravagant way to say it. I like doing that. People are like, fine. No, I just tell them. Well, I'm feeling a little obstreperous today with a little tinge of fatigue woven in so it makes me a little bit more recalcitrant than normal, and they look at me like I'm a moron. I enjoy doing that. It's fun. That's what people get for asking. It's their fault for asking.

What do you expect? Hey, man, so I'm behind on the show, and I'm catching up, and I was listening to an episode from a couple weeks ago where you were talking about birth control. I was kind of confused on what you were saying. It sounded like what you were addressing specifically was getting snipped, for lack of a better word. What do you think about birth control pills, like birth control medication? I'm not an expert in that field, but if there's a fertilization that occurs and then that is removed, that's wrong. But if there is no fertilization occurring and it's prevented from fertilizing, I don't have a problem with that. It's the same as a husband and wife abstaining because there's no fertilization that's occurring. So the ultimate result is that way. I got snipped, to put it politely, because the doctor said, because of my wife's health conditions, which she has a rare disease, a rare thing, the next pregnancy had the potential of killing her, or at least putting her in the hospital for months.

If it didn't kill her, it would at least threaten her life. This kind of thing. So I went and got snipped.

And the anesthesia only worked on one side, and I finished it without anesthesia, just so you know. And so I don't have any problem with that in that context. There's other ways we could talk about it too, but go ahead. Yeah, that's kind of what I had thought you believed on it.

So basically, the reason I wanted to call is a lot of, I don't know the exact percentage, but I know that it's a pretty high number if you look into it. A lot of birth control medications, what they'll do to say that they prevent pregnancy, basically, when it's similar to what the law does in regards to allowing children to be murdered in the womb, it'll redefine what pregnancy is as implantation. And like you were just saying, a pregnancy would be when a new human is created, so fertilization. And so it will say that it prevents pregnancy, but what it means is that it will prevent implantation, so it doesn't stop a new life from being created, it will basically just starve that new life out and cause it to not be able to implant, essentially.

So I wanted to follow up on that, yeah, right, because a lot of Christians don't know that, and they use these medications and stuff, so I just felt, you know, maybe follow up on that and just kind of pick your brain a little bit, but yeah, I agree with you. If we're consistent, if life begins at fertilization, which God says and biological science does, then stopping it from being planted. Life continues at fertilization, because the egg and the sperm are still alive, they're alive as life continues. Human life, we could say, then begins at that point, but life continues, yeah. Right, yeah, sure. Yeah, unique human life, unique human DNA created at fertilization, yeah.

Yeah, I talked to some people from church and they weren't aware of that. We have talked before, I'm pretty involved in abortion and abolition ministry, and that's something that we discuss pretty often, is if we're being consistent here and unique human life is created at the moment of fertilization, if we then, you know, are taking medications that basically starve that child out and stop it from implanting, then that would be the same as aborting it, essentially. Right.

Aborting them. I agree. Yep. Cool, man. I agree.

Yeah, I just wanted to pick your brain on that. So I was listening to that, and I figured that's kind of where you landed on it, but I just wanted to get it on the record. Yeah, well good, I'm glad, because when my wife and I, when I was in seminary, we couldn't afford for us to have kids at that time, it just wouldn't have worked, and I wouldn't have been able to go to sem. So we took precautions, let's just say, and arranged things, and that's how it worked.

And it worked fine. And there's a lot of knowledge out there of when ovulation occurs, and various things, and there you go. So we don't have to use that stuff, and if you're married, you can do that kind of a thing as well. And so I think it's pretty easy, relatively speaking, for Christians to be able to arrange that. And then when my wife said, okay, you ready for babies? I said, yeah. She says, okay, here we go.

And then she was pregnant, boom. So that's how it works, you know. Praise the Lord.

Praise the Lord, that's right. Another thing, too, man, we have talked a couple times. I know that you're busy.

I just want to put another bug in your ear. I sent you an email. We were talking about the differences between the abolition movement and the pro-life movement. And I know you said you like documentaries. I emailed you, it's like a 30-minute doc that just kind of goes over the stuff that I had mentioned to you. It's from End Abortion Now, which is a ministry of Apologia Studios, so Jeff Durbin's ministry. They're very involved with all of that, kind of like the legislative side of those things.

And they put together a documentary just kind of going over a specific case that pro-life essentially killed one of the bills of equal protection that were going forward. So if you get time, man, check it out. It is very, very good, concise.

It's not super long or anything. I really think that it would be fruitful. Good. I appreciate that. I'll check my emails. Yeah, cool. Check it out.

It was a while ago, so I'll probably just go ahead and just forward it back to you. That's probably a good idea, because there's a lot of stuff there. Yep. Like a lot of emails. Oh, man, do I have a lot of emails. Yeah.

Yeah, I would imagine so. Ooh, yeah, yeah. All right, brother. Well, thank you for your time. All right, man. Well, appreciate it. God bless and thanks.

Seriously? Yep. God bless you. Okay. All right. God bless.

All right. Yeah, I enjoy those kind of calls. It's good stuff. Hey, let's get to Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome. You're on the air. Oh, hey, Matt. How's it going today? Oh, it's going. It's been a little bit of a busy day, but that's okay. So what have you got, man? Yeah.

Well, yeah, at the top here, I actually wanted to pick up Earth Control on another show. I actually was the caller that was discussing that with you. I meant to tell you that I was considering a vasectomy, and until you told that story about the medicine wearing off, then my mind went all kinds of places. So I'm going to pray for God to strengthen me and see where I endure. Well, let me just tell you that the doctor told me afterwards, he says in 27,000 or 27 years of doing that, I was the only one.

I was the only one. But you've got to understand also that I'm autistic, and I have some hypersensitivity to touch and sound and sight, and I've always had this problem. And I can tell you stories of anesthesia not working very well, because I have a super efficient liver, apparently. It's one of the concomitant results of the condition. And a doctor told me about this, says it's a weird study they've done. They found out that guys with my condition, and they're out there, also have super efficient livers, which means that they use twice as much stuff, three times as much for me. In fact, once when my gallbladder was dying and I was in a gurney, and they had morphinged me up to the point where the pain wasn't noticeable, I was having an in-depth conversation on universals and transcendentals with a male nurse. My wife remembers it clearly.

She goes, she couldn't believe how clear-headed I was. It's because of that issue. So you don't have to worry. You'll be normal. You're not abnormal like me. Okay.

Yeah. I think the guy that had your condition was called Captain America, which is what I know. Well, let me tell you, and I've had doctors.

I can tell you stories, but I remember one in particular, they gave me some drug in my arm, you know, IV-2, put me out, made me gummy, so that I could have this procedure done. And they gave me this stuff, and I came back five, ten minutes later. How do you feel? I says, well, when are you going to give it to me? And they were shocked.

They said, we already did. I says, well, I don't feel anything. They gave me another dose, and after ten minutes, I said, well, I could drive home easily. I mean, I barely even feel anything. And they were stunned.

They couldn't believe it. They had to give me three doses in order for it to take effect. That's how it works. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah, you've been given some special gifts, man. Yes, and my wife says, oh, I'm special, all right. That's how she says it. You're special. Uh-huh. Yeah.

So, anyway, man, what do you got? Well, I wanted to pick back up with Leviticus. Actually, my cousin and I had that discussion, and I told him a little bit of what you said and just read the New Testament and went to Romans, and he actually agreed. He had to agree. He's a good guy. His theology isn't super tight, but he has a hunger to learn, but then he brought up Leviticus and eating blood, and he was a little bit stuck on the word abomination, how something can be an abomination until it's not. Now, I tried to explain to the best of my knowledge how if you really want to approach the law legalistically, the law wasn't even given to Gentiles.

You know, the law was given to have a specific purpose, there was a covenant, and he seems to be stuck on the fact that abomination may be something that transcends time. Well, hold on. Let's get back. We got a break. We got a break, so hold on, and we'll get back to you after the break, okay?

We'll talk about this. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. You can also email me at info at karm.org, info at karm, C-A-R-M, dot O-R-G, put in the subject line radio comment, radio question, either one of those is fine, and then we can usually get to them on the air. Let's get back on with Jermaine. Jermaine, welcome.

You're on the air. All right. Yeah, so, yeah, so the Book of Leviticus, the word abomination and the consuming of blood, I know I believe that Christ says we have a new covenant and we're not bound by those laws, but I know he stuck on that word abomination, so what would you have to say to that? But this is what he means when he's saying about it. Because Leviticus 14 is said not to eat the blood of any flesh, which, by the way, incidentally refutes the idea of transubstantiation in Catholicism, but that's another topic. So in Acts 15, the Jerusalem Council is said to abstain from blood also. But what does he mean by all this?

We've got to get more information. Just basically how we shouldn't consume blood because it's an abomination, and not that I want to sit down and have any hemoglobin or anything, but I know there's some societies where there are dedicated believers in certain parts of the world where they have consumed blood and they have blood sausage and other stuff, but just something that's not, I personally don't see this as damnable and I don't see anywhere in the New Testament that justifies you know judgment on them, even though I don't want to do it, but he seems to be thinking that maybe the Levitical laws can still apply at times. If he's going to hold to that one law, then he needs to uphold all of them. And so when you go to, for example, Galatians 3.10, for as many as are the works of the law are under a curse, for it is written, Curse as every man who does not abide by all things written under the law to perform them.

Then when you go to James 2.10, it says that whoever keeps the whole law yet stumbles in one point become guilty of all. So if he's trying to keep Old Testament Levitical law, then we need to ask more questions, or you need to ask more questions. What's going on? Why is he holding to this? What do you mean by it? So this is a serious issue. Is he doing it because he wants to keep himself right with God so that he can be saved?

Is that what's going on? Or what? Yet from what I understand, he's just trying to do right by God from his understanding, which theologically, he's a little bit all over the place, and his doctrine is really his, his command of doctrine isn't really what I would call sound, but his heart's in the right place. He just, he wants to kind of serve God, but I personally suggest he do a little bit more reading and studying. You know, it'd be good if he could call me, and we could just talk a little bit of theology, laying stuff down about covenants, dying in Christ, our freedom, and things like that. I think it would be beneficial for him, so he can get just a better idea of stuff, if he's willing to do that, you know? Yeah, that's an excellent idea, I'll definitely recommend that to him. Okay. Yeah, give it a shot, you never know what's going to happen, and if he's open to it, then praise God, you know? So... Yeah, definitely, I'll recommend it, and hopefully he takes you up on that offer. Yeah. Yeah.

That's all he can do, is give it a shot, you know? So... Alright. Well, thank you very much, Matt. Hope you have a good weekend, and Lord willing, I'll be able to talk to you on Monday. That's right, Jermaine, you're awesome, buddy.

Keep calling out. Okay. Alright. Alright. God bless.

You too. Alright, that was Jermaine from California, and we have nobody waiting right now, if you want to give me a call, it's easy, just dial 877-207-2276. You can also email me, info at karm.org, info at karm.org, put in the radio, the subject line, radio comment, radio question, and let's see, okay, alright, look at some other stuff here, got going. So I'm going to go to some radio questions. We've got a caller coming in, I'll do a radio question really fast.

How can... Okay, Matt, can you talk about the Sabbath, and if we as Christians need to keep it or observe it? We don't need to keep it, not for salvation. So we're freed from the law because we've died with Christ, it's Romans 6-6, Romans 6-8, Romans 7-4, for he who has died to the law is freed from that law. We died with Christ or died to that law, and that we don't have to keep it. It doesn't mean then that we've gotten sin and just willy-nilly, but a lot of people forget is that along with our dying with Christ, we're also made born again, we're caused to be born again by the work of God. And so by being born again, God indwells us, and one of the natural results of that condition of God indwelling us is the desire to do what's right before him. And so we love him, and we also love our neighbor.

So in that, we accidentally keep the law. If we're going to love God and love our neighbor, we're going to honor him. It's honorable to have a day of rest that we practice. For me, I'm not recommending this for anybody else, this is what I understand, it's what I do, is that on Sundays I don't work on my ministry, I don't work on karma, I work six days a week.

And on the 7th, I quit, I don't do it, sometimes I will if it's really needed, but I just generally don't do it. I will go shopping, I will go buy stuff, because to me that's not work, that's rest. Because I'm not working, my work is the ministry, that's my work, which I do six days a week.

I've been doing it like that for years, so my rest is to not do that, but other things I can do. Some people, I was talking to somebody recently who said that their church more and more is talking about the requirements of holding to the Sabbath. That you have to, on Sunday, you have to not really do anything. You can't really drive a car, you can't buy any gasoline, you can only watch a little bit of TV, you have to go to church, and they found themselves bound in a form of bondage to the Sabbath.

What can they do, what can they not do, and are they being spiritual or not, are they in sin or not, and then it's become a new law to them. That's not what it's for, it's for us to rest. So if on the Sabbath, Sunday, I go to church and I come home, I watch TV for a little bit, because to me that's just relaxing. I watch documentaries or whatever I might do, that's my rest.

And then if my wife says she needs something at the store, I'll go get it. That's just rest to me, driving, relaxing, going doing that, for me that's rest. Now if maybe for somebody else that's not rest, but whatever is between you and God is a restful thing. We're not under the Old Testament law, where you can't light a fire, you can't carry sticks, you can't this, you can't that. We're not under that at all, so we don't have that obligation. Okay, simple, simple, simple.

Alright let's get to Eric from Ohio, hey Eric, welcome, you are on the air. Hi Matt, I had a question about the balance of faith and works when it comes to salvation. Okay.

What I mean by that is, I don't believe in a grace only salvation, for the obvious reason that everyone would just be saved. Okay, well hold on, we've got a break coming up, so I don't want to get into this, okay. So hold on buddy, because we'll get to this, it will be interesting. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. I think this is going to be an interesting conversation. So please stay tuned, we'll be right back.

Alright, welcome back to the show everybody, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276, let's get back on with Eric, okay Eric, go ahead. Okay so, thinking about the balance of faith and works, and I'm not believing in a grace only salvation, for obvious reasons, so it seems like there's something that we have to do, and so that kind of brings it into a works category. Okay, what do you think we have to do to be saved? Believe on Jesus.

Okay, you got a lot of work. So I'm looking at John 6.29 and 6.28, which kind of hints that faith is a work. Yeah, the work of God, John 6.28, yep, they said what must we do to work the works of God, and Jesus says this is the work of God that you believe on him whom he has sent. So our faith is God's work, not our own, okay. Okay so what exactly, I mean it's going to fumble over terms.

It's okay, no problem at all. So we're justified by faith alone in Christ alone, by grace alone. When we say that, we say the unmerited favor of God, that's what grace is. When you say grace, it doesn't mean we're saved by grace alone, everybody therefore is saved.

That's not what it means. It means that those who are saved, who believe and trust in Christ, do so by the grace of God only, his unmerited favor towards us. Because not only is John 6.29 there, which he says is the work of God that you believe on him whom he has sent, but also Philippians 1.29 which says God has granted that you believe. So your belief comes from God and it's the work of God that you believe in Jesus. That movement of God in your behalf where he grants that you have that faith and you really do believe at that point, that's grace. He doesn't give that ability to other people.

He only does it to certain people. Okay so if we have faith, that's salvation. After we have faith, after we're living in faith, what do we do with sin and what do we do with good works?

Let me help you out. Necessary but not, okay. They're necessary and they're not necessary, depends on how we mean it. So let me just lay out salvation. The Old Testament was full of the laws of requirements that the Jews needed to adhere to in order to be saved, in order to be right with God.

It included blood sacrifices, certainly legalistic opportunities and requirements. And so when Jesus came, that old system was done away with. That's Hebrews 9, 15-16. So we have what's called the gospel. The Greek word for gospel is euangelia, eu, epsilon oopsilon.

So it's eu, and that's the word we get from euphoria, okay, which is good. The good news is that we do not have to be under the law to be saved. So there's another doctrine called federal headship, which few Christians know about, but it's a very big prominent doctrine in the Bible where the male represents the descendants, not the female. So sin entered the world through Adam, Romans 5-12, even though Eve sinned first. Sin didn't end the world through her, but through Adam after he sinned, not her. And I can get into more about this, but it says in Adam all die, in Christ all shall be made alive.

So the idea of him representing us. So he represented us on the cross, and it says we died with him, okay? We died to the elementary principles of the world. We died with Christ, Romans 6-8, we're crucified with Christ, Romans 6-6.

So this means we've died. Now Romans 7-4 says he who has died is freed from the law. And we have died with Christ, so we've died to that law. So we don't have to keep any of it.

Now hear me out. As Christians, we don't have to keep any law, have to, to be saved. We don't keep any law to keep ourselves right with the infinitely holy God, because we can't.

Because Jesus did it all. He kept the law perfectly, 1 Peter 2-22. But we're in him and we've died to that law, Romans 5-13, when there is no law, there is no sin. We've died to that law, the law is cancelled from us, et cetera, et cetera. So we don't have, as Christians, we don't keep the law to be saved. We don't keep the law to stay saved. As Christians, we keep the law in the sense that we love God and we love our neighbor. Those are the laws we're supposed to keep. So if I'm loving God, I'm not going to blaspheme him.

If I'm loving my neighbor, I'm not going to lie to you and cheat and steal. So I will accidentally keep all the commandments, so to speak, theoretically, if I'm loving God and loving my neighbor. Because God is love, 1 John 4-8, and he lives in us, John 14-23. So because he lives in us and he is love and we're born again, okay, we're caused to be born again by God, that's 1 Peter 1-3, then we're made new creatures, 2 Corinthians 5-17. And because we're made new creatures, God is in us, now we just kind of love each other and we accidentally keep the law.

So we don't have to keep that law. And so when we're saved by grace, what it means is we're saved from the judgment of God of damnation by his graciousness. And that graciousness includes giving us faith or granting it to us, Philippians 1-29, believing in Jesus, John 6-29, granting us repentance, 2 Timothy 2-25, and granting that we come to Christ, John 6-65. So that's all by God's grace, it's unmerited, he gives it only to those people that he chooses to do that to, okay? Okay, would you say that it's accurate to say that works do not save, faith saves, but if you don't have works, how could you have saving faith?

There you go, that's what James 2, 14-26 is talking about. If a man says he has faith but he has no works, can that faith save him? Can a dead faith make you right before God? No, but true faith comes from God. So how do we know if you have true faith?

By your works. So I went into a chat room today, this supposed to be a Christian chat room, and this guy was just using foul language, and he's speaking as though he's a Christian, and he's the F-word constantly, and I got in there and I said, what are you doing man, I said I'm listening to a so-called Christian who's using foul language constantly, and in violation of the word of God. And the guy started screaming mad at me, just cussing at me, I mean really foul, then he kicked me out of the room. And so he was not manifesting the fruit of the spirit, the fruit of what it means to be regenerate. I'm not saying it was or wasn't, but I called him out on the carpet, I do that to people, I said why are you cussing if you're claiming to be Christian? The Bible says in Colossians 3, 12 remove all abuse of speech from your mouth.

Why are you not doing that? Because it's the fruit of the spirit, is patience and kindness and gentleness and things like this in Galatians 5, 22. And the works of the flesh are foulness, accusation, anger, and things like that. So just what you're saying, exactly what James was saying, well let's say you have that faith, you can't read my heart, I can't read yours, how do you know I'm a believer?

By what I do, what I say, and that's how you know. So true faith results, I want to be a little more technically accurate, with faith that God grants is regeneration that God grants. And then because we're regenerated, we're changed in ourselves, we're then able to bow in our will before God and do good works. So true faith, in this generic metaphoric sense, produces good works. That means a true believer, you have true faith, you're going to show it. Because you're regenerated along with it, okay? Yeah, so you could say, if faith works by love, the works are motivated by love? There you go. Motivated by the love of the Lord Jesus Christ, what he did for us on that cross.

That's why I'm going to return your wallet if you drop it, and I see you drop it. Because I was saved to follow Christ, not follow my flesh, okay? Okay, one more quick question, if I may?

Sure. Just when coming to works, is it accurate to say that you could separate works into two categories, like works of the law and then just actions, things you do? Yeah, it works of the law in the sense, if you're trying to do works of the law written down in the Old Testament, that that's works of the law in order to be saved. That's heresy, that's false teaching. The Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox churches both violate that, they add works to salvation. If you're a true believer in Christ, who's God in flesh, died on the cross, rose from the dead, you believe and you trust in that, then you're free, you're done. You don't have to do anything good to be saved or keep your salvation, you're done. It's finished.

But now you live for him, and then we get to see what God is doing through you. That's the difference. Okay. We've got a break coming up. You want to hold? Okay.

We're not. Sure. Okay. Hold on, buddy. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Eric from Ohio. Eric, welcome buddy.

Welcome back on. All right. So, I wanted to ask, so how does a Christian, a believer, now deal with sin in their life? They repent of it.

Now, obviously, you know, yeah, you don't do it, but... When you sin, you confess it to the Lord, and you talk to him about it, you ask him. You're already ultimately cleansed, but we go through this process of confession and restoration and fellowship with him. Our sins don't remove us from God, but they hinder our relationship with God. So, if my wife and I have a big argument, let's equate that to a sin, it doesn't mean we're no longer married.

It means we've made a mistake or whatever, and we have to reconcile. That's what you're doing with God when you sin. You are still in the family of God, you're still a believer, but you've blown it. And then you go to him and you ask him to cleanse you once again. He's already cleansed, I can get into that technicality here and now, but not yet. But you go through this process of restoration with him, and then you continue on.

That's what you do. Okay. All right. Okay.

Well, thank you for your time, I appreciate it. What church do you go to, if I can ask? Well, I don't go to the same church. Where I live, I've been to a few churches, I don't really care for too many of them. Well, let me recommend that you stay with me in Catholic and East Orthodox churches or non-Christian churches, they're false churches. And there's a lot of churches out there that are bad. You can go to my website, karne.org, and you look up the article, What to Look For in a Church. And you can find a listing of the things to be careful of and stuff, but there are good churches around there. Okay.

Calvary Chapel is a decent church to go to, evangelical-free is good, you can check them out. All right? Okay, buddy? Okay, thank you. All right, man, call back any time.

All right. All right, now let's get to Seth. Hey, Seth, welcome.

You're on the air. Hey, man, I had a question about basically what my stance should be toward the Israel and Palestine conflict. I was, just to give you some context for the question, I was talking with one of my buddies, he's actually from Egypt, and he's not a believer, and he's a very big supporter of Palestine. And he basically was, he was trying to tell me that Israel is basically committing genocide, and he was very, I don't know, I don't want to say aggressive, but he was very firm, like, do you think it's genocide, do you, like, I was like, I don't know, I don't really have an answer, because I'm not really informed, so my question is basically, as a Christian, what should my stance be toward that whole situation, if you, you know, I guess I don't know.

So let me help you out. In Genesis 17, 8, God says to Abraham, and I will give you and to your offspring after you the land of your sojourns, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God. The land of Canaan is all of that area, from the Mediterranean over to the Jordan, all that area, that's what Canaan was back then.

And so, it belongs to what God said, I'll give it to Abraham, that's what he says back then, and you can do research on that, Genesis 17, 8, okay, so that's what he says. All right, now, what happened was, through the centuries, long story short, that area, the land under dispute, has been under varying control of different governments, of different systems, the Egyptians, Babylonians, the Greeks, the Arabs, and lastly, the British. So the British were the ones in charge of that land. And so the British then seceded a lot of that land to Israel, because it's what was given to them by God in Genesis 17, 8. The Palestinians, the Arabs, who are Muslims, they think that the land belongs to them. And the reason they say that is because back in the 6th century, 6th or 7th century, the land was conquered by the Arabs, by the Muslims, and so they owned the land. So Israel now, back in there, is in there illegitimately, and they're committing genocide. There's a word that people just use, they throw around, because they want to sound dramatic, like someone's doing a great evil.

It's just throwing mud at a wall, saying how much it'll stick. We can talk about what that is. But I would ask him, on what basis do the Palestinians have right to that land?

You ask them what that basis is. Well, because God gave it to them, really. Then why does it say in Genesis 17, 8 that God gave it to Abraham and to his descendants, which is the Jews? I said, God says.

Was God wrong, or was the Bible wrong here? So now, what we're doing is we're saying that the land belongs to them. What the Muslims will do is forget what God has said, then they'll say, well, the Bible's been corrupted.

They don't care about facts, they don't care. Now genocide is killing a whole race of people, that's what genocide is. And so, I've been to Israel twice, I've been in Jerusalem. I've been to the Dome of the Rock. And one of the things we had to do when we go to Jerusalem, we get off the bus, we walk. We walk through different areas of Jerusalem. We go here, go there, the traditional garden tomb, the Mount of Olives, varying churches, walk the area that Jesus was walking in, and up on that area where the Dome of the Rock is, which is Muslim. And the funny thing is that in Jerusalem, Muslims are free. They're free to walk, they're free to talk, they're free to speak Arabic, they're free. But if it was Muslim-controlled land, would the Jews be free to do that correspondingly?

Of course not. Who would be committing genocide? Genocide is the total destruction of a race. The Palestinians, from the sea to the river, river to the sea. That means all of that area of Israel, they want to claim and they want to kill the Muslims because the Palestinian Muslims are taught to hate Jews out of the Quran Surah 551.

Don't take Jews and Christians as your friends. And then it talks about in Surah 9.5 and 9.29, it talks about killing unbelievers, those who are not true Muslims, going out and seeking after them and killing them. So when they talk about genocide, what they'll also not tell you is how much genocide the Muslims committed in the first 200 years of their existence.

Battle after battle after battle after battle, I think 100 battles, 70 battles, something like that. They were killing people. I can't even say some of the words that they were doing to people, varying forms of torture and things they would do to women.

And they expanded through this kind of genocidal, maniacal, evil work. And then they were pushed back by the Roman Empire, that's another story in the Crusades. So the area of Palestine is that whole Israeli area, that's the old Canaan, which God gave to the Jews. So the land belongs to them, they're reclaiming it. The Muslims have no right over that land, they need to get out, according to Scripture. So from my understanding, Palestine, that used to be like Philistia, right? I don't know if I'm saying that right.

Right. I think that's what came out of the Romans, yeah, the Romans used that as a Philistia or something like that, as a word, hence, Philistine, right, Palestine, right. And so it's the phrase, from the river to the sea, is a genocidal comment, it's a genocidal phrase.

From the river to the sea, that means the river is inland to the sea, moving towards the sea, pushing them out into the ocean, destroying them. That's what they want to do with all the Jews. Your friend doesn't know history, and if he's a true Muslim, I'm going to just say this flat out, I do not trust Muslims. He actually is not, just to clarify.

Okay, thank you. Then what you can do is say, this is what the issue is, and Genesis 17, 8 is where God gives it to the Jews and the descendants forever, they're the ones who have the right according to this. If he wants to say he doesn't accept all of that, well then, you don't have a dog in this fight. This is a spiritual issue of the land that God gave to Abraham. And the Muslims are the ones who are truly genocidal, and that's been proven throughout history.

That's undoubtedly been proven, absolutely. In fact, on my website, let's see, Muslims or Islam, let's see, battles, let's see if I can find my article. I don't know if Charlie put it in already, in the link, there's some stuff, he beats me to it.

Oh, look at all that. Chronology of early Islam, that's what it is. I wrote this back in 2008, and I've got, it's a list of battles.

It's just a list of battles, I mean, I'm scrolling, and so let me see if I have a summation of how many battles. The following is a brief chronology, the rise of Islam, notice how closely Islam's inception is associated with conquest and war. From 623 to 777, a span of 154 years, there were 83 military conflicts involving Muslims, and that is just what I've recorded here.

Now, also, what you can do is go to the website, thereligionofpeace.com, thereligionofpeace.com, and what it does is it documents Islamic atrocities all over the world. I'm going to just ask you a question from a quarter of this website, since 9-11, how many Islamic terrorist attacks have been carried out? Take a guess, since 9-11, worldwide, just give me a guess, see what you think. How many terrorist attacks since 9-11? Yeah, how many jihadist terrorist attacks? Just give me a guess, a quick guess, because we're almost out of time.

Oh, man. I have no idea. 80, I don't know. 80?

46,919. It's not a religion of peace. Wow.

Yeah. No, it's not. It's not a religion of peace, and it's a dangerous religion. Now, those who believe official, authentic Islam, they're the ones you've got to be careful of, but a lot of Muslims, they're not like that. A lot of Muslims are good, decent, honest people.

Seriously, a lot of them are. Yeah. It's interesting because... Yeah. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

No, go ahead. I was just going to say it's interesting because his parents are Muslim, but they are so basically hardcore Muslim that it drove him away from it, and just drove him away from the whole idea of God. And I genuinely think that God put him in my life to basically witness to him, and so this is definitely helping, and I think... We're out of time, man.

But we just could start any second. Call back Monday, let's talk about Islam and some ways to witness to him and gently, lovingly try and show him some stuff. We can try it, okay? All right, buddy. Cool. Thank you, man.

If you want. All right, man. God bless. All right. It's an amazing and educational show, and the Lord bless you. Have a great weekend, everybody. By his grace, back on the air on Monday, and we'll talk to you then. Have a good one. See you next time.