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The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. Mm-hmm. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276.

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So, if you want to give me a call, we can talk about that. All kinds of stuff. 877-277. 2072276. Let's get to Colton.

Colton from.

South Carolina Colton, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, man, how are you doing? Oh Busy as you guys, yeah, busy. Busy, busy.

So we got my Hey, so a quick question. I had two for you real quick. I'm not too sure if you ever heard of the magic card game. Um, has to do with like witches. There's some demons that will characters in it, uh, witches, wizards.

Is that is playing that disrespectful to God since So many people are just demolished by darkness without even knowing half the time. Or is it kind of like sports? Is it as much as you put into it?

Well, sports is talked about in the Bible as something beneficial, but the issue of content in the dead playing with demonic forces, that is something to be ignored. We are not to participate in that.

So Magic cards, things like that, where you invoke demonic forces, various things, is not something that Christians should be involved with.

So they should avoid those conversations.

Okay. it's like a card game. It's not like Terra cards or anything, like you're trying to reach out to spirits or something like that. It's just a card game. It's like Yu Gi Oh, Pokemon, but it's just like the characters in it.

Not all of them are based off witches and wizards and demons or anything. Um Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes sense.

So let me ask you: inside of the game, are there. Contact and interactions with demonic forces, allegedly, you know, in the cards. Not to my knowledge. I don't play it. My brother's big into it.

Not to my knowledge. It's just like like, okay, this card, um It wipes the whole field. We got to start over from our deck and stuff like that. It's not like. reaching out to anything.

It's just basically reading what the card does and playing it like like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh! or Yeah, um Pokemon was something that uh I wrote about a long time ago. And you know there are gray areas of things and And when there's gray areas People often look for ways to justify doing things inside of the gray area. and generally speaking, You want to stay away from things. That are in the gray area, because that's what the demonic forces want.

They want you to get involved with, well, just things that, eh, it's not that big a deal. And like. Tarot cards. Or um certain things, Dungeons and Dragons, where You actually um Are dealing with things that are demonic, and you're invoking in the game, you're invoking demonic forces. And so Uh Those are the kind of things we want to avoid.

Not knowing the game, not having seen it or even heard of it before, sorry, I really can't tell you too much, but I can say that if inside of it there are invocations of demonic forces, realms, spirits, spells, where a person is using the cards to activate that, then that would be something that would be uh wrong.

Okay. So if a card is like you're playing a spell, but it everyone like is they're not looking deep into it. It's just okay, this card is a spell that does this, that still is kind of against God. Yeah, spells are are part of witchcraft. Absolutely.

That's Okay, so that's how I feel. I was getting to the point where I'm like, I kind of just want to be around them, so I might start indulging in it. But I've been kind of feeling against it from the get-go. I did have a second question for you as well. Um is acting the same as lying even on a small level on like YouTube if the audience doesn't or thinks that it's real?

If the audience thinks that it's real, it's not like lying. Yes, then it is. If you are well, here's the thing about about this. If your intention is to deceive people, that's lying. If you accidentally deceive someone, you haven't lied.

It's just an accidental deception.

So An actor, we know they're acting. We know it's fiction. Or unless they're reenacting something. We know that. And so it's not a lie.

But I do remember um One of the a series Fargo, which I thought was good. It says Bage on True Events, and it turns out that it wasn't.

So they were actually lying. And so I stopped watching because it irritated me that they said that all this was real when it was not. It's a flat-out lie. And so, what it was a linguistic tool and trick.

Well, that's a deception. We don't want to do that. if you're doing something online and on visuals and you're intending to deceive people, then that's sinful. If you're being honest and upfront and someone is accidentally deceived by it, that's not your fault. You're not intending to deceive.

So it wouldn't be bad at that point, okay? Perfect.

Okay. You answered my questions. I greatly appreciate it. No problem at all. All right, man.

Well, God bless, buddy. Thank you, Matt. Have a good one.

Okay. Thank you as well. Bye.

Okay, now let's get to Germain. From North Carolina, Jermaine, welcome. You're on the air. Oh, hey Matt, how's it going today? Oh, I've had better days.

Uh but, you know, it's going.

So what do you got, buddy? All right.

Well, my question is uh On styles of worship. Does the Bible Do you have any Indication of how we should worship. And I don't know if that's the best question, but it's just, I noticed some churches are more. Musical Some are more apologetic and some are more service oriented and then some are kind of a multimation of all of them. But when I was young I used to criticize in ignorance, but now I'm kind of more in in the line of thinking that Maybe some people are just called to do different things.

You know, like I know some people that could not sit through. any of your teaching because it would be considered a little too much for them, but they're great service people. But For someone like me, I love every minute, and I know the people who listen, yeah, most of them do, so. Yeah, I just wanted to kind of hear your thoughts on that.

Well, God has prescribed certain aspects of worship in the Bible. Let's talk about that. Because worship also includes anything you do at the pulpit, in the church, because preaching of the Word of God is a form of worship, as is tithing, as is singing.

So the Bible talks about singing and different musical instruments, trumpets, stringed instruments. Then in the New Testament, there was preaching, there was the reading of Scripture. There are forms of worship where you kneel, where you clap, where you dance. And various things.

So there's a bit of a variety.

Now, did they have amplification for distortion of guitars? No, because they didn't have the technology. But they used string instruments, they used horns, they used drums, they used cymbals, you know, those little things you put your fingers and tambourines and things like that.

So worship biblically contains a wide variety of options. and it should be God-centered. No, that's a just a generic Thing. I think I wanted to lay that out, but I think I kind of forgot your main question because there are some kinds of worship style. But go ahead.

Well, you know, I think you actually answered it. Um you know, when I w I when I was younger, and less mature, I I kinda thought every church should be like this, you know, and every church should be like that. But then and I'm assured and see that there's different areas of the body of Christ and There are different people who have You know, they're available to do different things and there's But I see these uh I call them the the uh The old stirs were I see their their Bibles look like they've been through war And they're all marked up.

So I know: hey, these are mature people who've been praying for a lot of people, but they're. they might be relatively quiet, but I know they take prayer so very seriously that And I've kind of will seek them out because I know they're going to write your name down And they're going to go to work or you're going to then there's others who they feel led to get behind a drum set or some music and just be people in worship and and there's others like yourselves that are preachers and teachers, when you dive really deep in God's Word in a way that others may not be able to, but just that we're all a part of the body, we just have different different roles.

Okay, yeah, and and that's true. You know, uh different people like different styles. Me, for example, I don't like hymns. Uh I mean, I'm not knocking them. I know a lot of people love them and think they're great.

But if I go to a a service with just hymns, if that's all they're doing, it it dries me up. I just wait I just long for it to be over. You know, it just doesn't put me in the mood for anything. But there are other people who uh they love hymns. It's just the exact opposite.

Well, that's fine. Neither one is right or wrong, it's just different.

So, um You know, it it's all just different styles and different stuff that we're to do and and enjoy and uh that's what we need to be doing is is uh trying to figure that out. Um what fits biblically and reverentially that we can participate in. We have a wide variety. My wife went to Togo, Africa years ago in a worship service, and they I think they sang a cappella, except I think maybe they had a drum beat and they just sang for two hours. And she said it was the most beautiful music.

I would love that. But sometimes people, there are groups that say you can't have any instruments in the church at all, only a cappella. You know, there's just a large variety. Um as long as it's reverential, it's not not violating scripture. then it's okay.

One of my favorite styles of worship, I'm just going to say this. I love black churches. I love the black church worship style. I love the energy. I love the movement.

That to me is like, yeah. Ah, that that's exciting. But some people don't like that, you know?

So it just depends. All right, brother? All right, thank you very much, Matt. Appreciate you. All right, man.

God bless. Hey, folks, be right back after these messages, please. Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, a number. is eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. I want to hear from you give me a call, and we can blab. All right, now let's get on the line with Brian from North Carolina.

Brian, welcome, you're on the air. Hey, thank you, Matt. Hey, first of all, love the show and Thank you for speaking the truth. when that is hard to find out there in any kind of media.

So thank you so much for that first. Hey, praise God. Yep. We were in our meeting group and we were had a curious question that came up, and I thought about you to call you and get your comments on it.

So if As far as no, Satan fell from heaven because he sinned.

So was Satan in the third heaven when he sinned, actually did sin? To fall from there. And that seems as so Then That means does it mean there's sin actually in heaven?

Well, you know, God is holy, and when Satan, we presume, he was in the presence of God and he sinned, then he was cast out. Yeah, so uh He was in that third heaven. For those who don't know what that is, that's just the dwelling place of God in the scripture.

So, yeah, he presumably was with him. And then uh iniquity was found in his heart. Uh Ezekiel thirty eight, uh Isaiah fourteen talks about this.

So he was cast out.

So when we say there is no sin in heaven, I don't know of any Bible verse that says that. And but the concept makes sense.

So, you know, if Satan was in heaven and he sinned, well, then it was sin in heaven. What? For a minute? Then he was cast out. For an hour, he was cast out.

We don't know.

So I don't have to go too far into that, what that might mean. No sin in heaven or something like that. I just say, you know, that's what it was, you know. Yeah. Finally, that's a tough one though.

Okay? But as far as what he has access to now then, obviously he's got access here on earth and But is he I guess he has access to heaven, whatever God Summons him up. Yeah, but does that does that sound right? Yeah, and so, uh Here's a verse in Job 1:6.

Now there was a day when the sons of God, the angels, came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.

So, did they go back into heaven? And, you know. the dwelling place of God, and there was an an accounting given.

So this idea that there is no sin in heaven, I I just not ag It's just not a a good thing to say. Because there's too many potential problems with it. Yeah. If that makes sense.

Okay. Yeah, the it does have Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we should run it on. Looking at perfection in heaven and without sin in heaven and.

you know, nothing of that nature. Right. Yes, I could not reconcile that, nor could our group.

So I appreciate your comments on that. Right. Well, there it is. Uh let's see. Um The removal of sin from heaven is prophetic.

In that Revelation 21, new heavens, new earth, evils cast out, cast away. And that appears to be, at least we could say at that point, no more.

Okay, okay. That makes sense. Yeah, so when Job 1:6 says Satan was there with them presenting themselves to God.

Okay. Well, would a God leave heaven and come down to earth? Or was he in in Egypt on a pyramid and they came and talked to him? You know, uh what can we say?

So it doesn't really makes uh a lot of sense in that sense.

Okay. So I would just say well. Yeah. Okay. All right, great.

Thanks so much. All right, man.

Well, God bless. God bless. 'Kay.

Well, that was Brian from North Carolina. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-2072276. Let's get to Janet from North Carolina. Janet, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, man, how are you? Oh Quite busy. You know how life is sometimes. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I hope you're hanging in there. More hanging than in there, yes. Ah, okay. Hey, I'm just calling 'cause um I had to smile when you were talking about the churches, the different ch styles of churches. And I just wanted to ask you, because you said you liked the black church.

How come you're not going to a black church? How come I not? Because I'm in Boise, Idaho, and it's like two percent or one and a half percent in in in Idaho. It's like a white state, you know, there's you see black hey, look a black guy, you know. It's uh because you don't it's not like Southern California.

And that's just what it is, the demographics. And we know that there's a uh black church in Boise near where I am, and uh my wife went there. She loved oh man, she just loved to worship she uh she's loved him too. And uh but they it was back in Obama's days, they started b holding up Obama fans and, you know, for we're like, Oh, man You know, why can't it just Just preach the word. You know, we're so frustrated.

And then and then Now, I'm going to get in trouble for this probably. And then you go to a standard Reformed church where you walk in, and everybody's polite, everybody's godly. Everybody's loving. And I'm not knocking this. It's just not me.

You go in, and hey, hello, how are you? That's very good. Thank you. I'm glad you're here. And they're great people.

And you sit down, you stand up for three hymns. Then you sit down.

Well, that's done.

Now let's go do this. And I like the. It reminds me that one of the one of the best churches I ever went to was I called it a Punker Church. And it was a bunch of guys and girls who were mods. And I call them mods because I didn't want to call them.

They had like. weird hair, they had tattoos, the Pastor drove up on a Harley, you know, and they were just a bunch of misfits in this church. And Oh man, they didn't care what you looked like. They just believed in Jesus and they didn't have this, I was raised in a denomination, I know the behavior stuff. They just didn't know anything.

You walk in, hey, how are you doing? And it was just. Awesome. And I love that enthusiasm in church. And I've done a lot of guest preaching in a lot of churches.

So I preached in many, many, many, many, many churches. I did it for years in Southern California. There was 22 million people down there. And so I was a guest preacher for years. And sometimes in three different churches in one night, I did that on one day.

So. You know, and the white congregations, I hope I don't sound racist here, but they're godly people, loving people, just wonderful people. And seriously, nothing to complain about, but I never got asked to go substitute in a black church. did teacher one once. Remember that.

And yeah. Yeah. And it was great because Because they were so full of love and openness and excitement for the Lord.

Okay. I love that. I just want that.

So that's how come we don't go. You asked the question.

Okay, okay. Well, I don't know. Because I was like. It's like a white state, you know? Even though I did moved away, but I had a black friend for a while here, martial arts.

He was a great guy. I was going to say I I'm going to give you a pass, okay, 'cause I I really wanted to hear, you know, what your answer was, but you gave a good one, so. I'm not going to bother you too much on why he's not going. You know, I I I could see, like Vodi Bakham, oh man, I left to go to his church. But I could see the potential if I was moving someplace, say I had to move, and I'd be looking, I'd be going, how many black Reformed churches are in a certain area?

Yeah, that's where I want. That is what I want. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I know.

I'm like. Yeah. I've got music direct uh You wanna hold on? Um, I can go. I just wanted to ask you that question.

That was all I wanted.

Okay, Janet. You have a good one, Matt. I'll talk to you later. Bye.

See ya. Bye.

Hey folks, be right back. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Alright, buddy, welcome back to the show.

If you want to give me a call, you can do that. It is easy. All you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. I want to hear from you to give me a call and we can blab, okay? All right, let's see.

We have, let's just get on the phone with Andrea from North Carolina. Andrea, welcome. You're on the air. Okay. But Um I was listening to you when you said you about the ham Mm-hmm.

Can you hear me? Yes I can. Uh-huh. Oh, okay. And I was like, gosh.

He feels like that because he hasn't been to a black church yet, but we'll be getting down. And about that time, you came out and said it. I said, okay now. That's what I'm talking about.

So when you get in there, oh, I love that. You know, when I was in seminary, don't get through.

Well, you know, it's in seminary. We had a black guy, a friend, you know, he was a black guy, and he said, He invited me to his church. And uh, down in San Diego, right? And so I went in, my wife and I went in, and and that what I remember is just the warmth. I'm sorry, but it was awesome.

It was warm. The warmth, you know, people just full of smiles and handshakes. You immediately felt. Comfortable and loved. And then the pastor walked out and they all stood up and started applauding.

And I go, no, no, no, no, no. You don't applaud for a guy. And I talked to my friend about that. And he said, no, you don't understand. They're standing up and applauding for the man who's bringing the word of God.

I went, oh, okay.

So I started clapping. You know, I got it. I get it. And, um, But now here in Idaho Right. Seriously, when you see a black person around here in Idaho, you notice it.

Look at that. I could black guy.

So, it's just like seeing a Tyrannosaurus Rex. Hey, look!

So, uh,. I it it and it's just not as as uh is exciting. I like the excitement. But you know I'm going to say this though. Go ahead.

Yeah. So in Idaho Mm.

Okay, my cousin went to Idaho. Mm-hmm. to go to school. Yeah. So are you saying even nowadays there's not as many black people there?

It's gotten better, I'm sure though. Better. I like that. Yeah. Well, I like cultures.

I like all kinds of people. I do. And I just enjoy everybody. But no, I haven't really noticed any increase, but I'm home a lot, you know, taking care of the wife and stuff. Yeah.

But I'm just wanting a Reformed church that is black, black Reformed church, because I'd be like dancing on the way in. Oh, yeah. I'm a white boy with rhythm. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Doing moving. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna get you before you before you get inside the church.

You uh you're gonna be dancing in. Oh, that's what I'm saying. And once you get in there, you won't stop dancing. Yeah, yeah, that's the way it is. I don't have that.

It doesn't bother me at all. A lot of people don't like that. Don't get me wrong. Here in North Carolina, I live in Greensboro. I have gone to some white churches.

And they do sing hymns and stuff like that. And there are times when they're singing the hymns. I enjoyed it. Yeah. I guess what I do is wherever I go.

I I've learned to What is that saying? If you're in Rome, you you be with the Romes. Oh, something like that but that you can't do it. But I I haven't learned yes. And I have learned to really enjoy that.

type of you know, church also. Yeah. But you know, it's nothing like my my My peaks, okay? I get you. I get you.

And I really do like it.

Now, the only other church I've really loved to worship at, and that was going to the vineyard. They're kind of heretical now, but back in Southern California, when it first started, they had a warehouse. And they would just, on a Wednesday night, there was no service. The band came in and they just played for two to three hours, worship songs. And people would come in and they just sat around in groups, praying, reading the word, counseling, just sitting there.

And then every now and then, someone would get up and speak a little word from the scriptures and then go back to the worship. And it was just wonderful. It was beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, I'm having trouble finding a good church.

I'm having trouble finding a church because I get bored. I get bored easily. The Lord will direct you. He'll direct you. He's got to the right one.

Yeah, moved to North Carolina. you know, get some good churches. Y'all move here, you're gonna win a league. You know the people are doing. You know, they're nice.

But what's interesting about Idaho when I first moved up here 21 years ago. I noticed a feel A feel, and it felt the only way I could describe it was a light blanket over the area. A blanket. Just a touch of oppression. Because there's a lot of Mormons here, a lot of Catholics here.

Oh, yeah. So that's oppressive. After he lived there. I couldn't live this. It's too much for me.

Yeah. Well, I I enjoy the black culture and the black churches and love it and um It's just great, you know, and Hispanic churches too. And also went to the Philippines once and got to enjoy the worship with Philippines. Filipinos, and that was nice. And they'd get up and people would stand up and say, And uh I love that, you know.

I I love the fright of just loving Jesus and expressing it and raising it. BL Yeah. Yeah. You see you're depressing me because all the crystals are there. Oh man.

Then that's got to go out there. Spray. Thanks. And if I send it in the air for you. It sits there.

Don't beat the curve. It's there when I when I get there. That's right. Yeah. Well, I might be out there in August.

Yeah, I might be out there in Oxford. In Cannapolis. I'm scheduled to speak at a conference.

Okay. But. But I don't know. My wife's health is is not doing They say she's I don't know if I can leave or not. And so that's just a man.

Okay. Okay. I understand that. You know. We have to do what we must do.

That's she goes who goes. But we'll see. Yeah, that's it. You ain't gonna wanna leave.

Well, okay, you'll probably end up staying. Yeah. If you do come to Kenapas I I'll have to drive there. We are Well, I want to go If I if I do, I want to go to Raleigh, then I want to go to Winston Standem and see the radio station. where they 'cause they have it out there at the radio headquarters.

Okay. So you say I'm Raleigh. Yeah. Yeah. Passing all round Greensboro.

Yeah, I'll be right back. Yeah. Okay. Okay, it's good talking with you. But I'm going to call you another day, and I'm going to have a lot of questions for you.

Good. I just haven't been able to remember the number. I was like, I'm going to get him. You can always go to card.org. Carm.org forward slash radio and uh How you fail is cop C A R M Dot.

Okay. And go to corner slash radio. It it'll forward you to everything. The foot number's there where you can listen. And I worked on it Saturday for a few hours and made it better.

The page. Oh, okay. Okay. Nice talking with you. Nice talking with you too.

Well, God bless. Okay. Okay. Oh, we have nobody waiting. Hey, um it's uh You know, um Now, intellectually, I get bored in churches because I've been studying for so long.

It's like, you could say that, you could say this, how about that? And I get a little. uh little board. That's that's on my end. But Um Uh I I just l I just l like the A little bit more excitement.

people moving and people just being free and open to express themselves. And and I just fit right into that. My wife does too. And uh we just love that freedom. below that expression.

We just do. Not everybody does. And and we're not knocking it. If you don't, that's okay. Not everybody does.

And if you don't, that's okay. If that's not your thing, no big deal. But, you know, people like different styles. And that's what's really nice about the Christian faith: that God, He.

Well, let me just put it this way. He works with us and he allows us to have different styles of worship. Different levels of enthusiasm.

Some love that. and some don't. And that's okay.

Alright, so that's okay. I just like the more enthusiastic aspect of it and stuff with good preaching. And uh you know I like that.

So anyway, hey, look, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-2072276. You can also, if you want, you can email me at info at carm.org, info at C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. And then we can talk to you. Maybe we'll do some emails after the break. If no one calls, be right back after these messages, please.

Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, but welcome back to the show. Hope you want to give me a call.

The number is 877. 2072276. Let's get on the air with Crystal from Utah. Crystal, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt. Thanks for taking my call. I appreciate you being available. Sure, no problem at all.

So what do you got? I have a friend who's of LDS Faith, And during Mother's Day, she was saying to me, about her daughter. Being able to have choice. children in heaven after she passes away. And I was like What?

I've never heard of this. And so she gave me the scripture, Isaiah. 54 verse 1, I believe. And I read it and I was like, I don't get that out of what she said.

So I'm trying to get A way I I mean, I know what I want to say, but it it sounds the way you speak is better, and I'd rather see what you how you describe what it really means. What it's talking about is the Messiah and Zion issue of Israel, because Isaiah 53 is the suffering servant. And in the end of Isaiah 52, it talks about sprinkling many nations, and then it gets into the issue of the suffering servant. And so uh he was oppressed, he was this, he was that, and um So uh Says he bore the sin of many and intercedes. Shout for joy, O barren one, you have borne no child.

Break forth into joyful joy. cries, etcetera. Your desolation will be no more. It will be more numerous.

So then, the sons of the married woman, says the Lord, enlarged the place of your tent.

So it's. Stretch out your curtains in the dwellings and spare not.

So, if she wants to say that this is about having children in heaven, we're about tents and dwelling places where you live. And strengthen your pegs and things like this. This is talking about. The issue of earth and people on earth. It says you will, and we'll resettle the desolate cities.

So here's a basic thing that you should always do. If someone gives you a verse, particularly a Mormon, because they usually will rip them right out of context because they're not taught to read things in context and know what it actually is referring to. If it just suits their theology, they just take three, four, five words, that's it, they're done. That's what it means. And they don't do the thinking.

Sorry, but that's the case.

So, what you do is I always say to them, well, where does it say that? And then uh Then they'll show me. And I say, if you can't show me the verse, then I can only assume that what you're saying is not biblical. If you can't show it to me, it might be there, just show me the verse, and then they don't, and we move on. If they do, I say, well, now let's look at the context.

And when you do that, 95% of the time, then you find out, no, that's not what it's talking about. And so One of the things I do with people that I talk to online is I say, after I upset them a little bit, not intentionally, but I'll upset them because I show them different things, what it says over here, previous verses and after verses, I said, look, I need to teach you guys a dirty word. I'm sorry, but I don't cuss, but I'm going to teach you a dirty word. And it's a four-letter word. And they say, what?

And I say, the word is context. And of course it's a joke, you know, it's not a four-letter word, but it's but it's trying to get their attention. Context, please and gentlemen. Read what it says in the context. And you'll see a lot of times it doesn't work.

So that's what I tell them, and that's what you're you're to do there.

Okay as well.

Okay. Okay. But I'm still unclear on like how I'm going to explain it to her. When I read it, it sounded to me like it was referring to what was going to come as in like us, you know, the Gen Gentiles. Yes.

Is that right? Yes. Okay. Yes, it's uh it's Zion, Jerusalem or Israel is what it's really talking about.

Okay. The fertility of Zion. And So, when you go to Isaiah fifty-four, in verse twenty. It says a Redeemer will come to Zion. He excuse me in f in 59, but it it's uh What he's really doing is he's talking about the issue of Israel.

Yeah. That's when you gotta just do some homework and read way before, after. He's talking in Isaiah 51 about Jerusalem and Isaiah 52 about Jerusalem again, and O captive daughter of Zion.

So he's talking about the people in context of Jerusalem. and Zion. That's what he's doing right there. And so in Isaiah 52, 7, it talks about Zion, your king reigns. And then in 52.8, when the Lord restores Zion again, and then it gets in Isaiah 54, shout for joy, O barren one.

So the context is Jerusalem and Israel. But Isaiah 53 is kind of an interlude. In between, talking about the deliverance of the people of Jerusalem and Zion by the arrival of the Messiah. It's a prophetic chapter.

So That's that's what's going on, okay. And that helps a lot. One of the things I've asked Mormons, I've been very careful how I say this over the air. Yeah, because I She's a very sweet lady. I don't want to.

Yeah. Yeah, and and you've got to be careful. And I've I've asked some Mormons, uh missionaries and stuff. I said, So God's married? Yes, has a goddess wife?

Yes. And uh what I do is I I do it like this. I say, Do they uh and have babies? What happens? And their body, flesh, and bones are physical, so what's happening?

And they don't like thinking about that, but I'd rather them. be confronted with it. and be uncomfortable with it than be comfortable on the way to hell.

So it's tough. It's a tough thing. But um Yeah. I know she's going to ask me about it later, so I was like, okay, I better know what I'm saying. I researched it a little bit, but I wanted to make sure it was on the right chart.

track.

So yeah. I appreciate you explaining that to me. Hopefully, thank you. It's okay.

Okay, you too. Appreciate you. Bye.

All right, now next longest waiting is Tom from Florida. Tom, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Matt. Thanks again for all you're doing to hold to the exclusivity of Jesus Christ And I'd like to ask a question concerning the Passage in Ephesians on the fruits of the Spirit.

It's one fruit, just so you know, not fruits. In the Greek, it's one fruit. Yeah. You're right, I know. That's all right.

After the list, Paul makes a statement that I'm curious about. It's not a deep theological struggle here, but. He says Against such things there is no law. And I just would like your opinion on why it seems a little bit random But it is not, of course, being God's word. But why would he just assert that?

in your opinion? And maybe you could comment on that. Thanks. Okay, well now I'm a little confused. Because the fruit of the Spirit, this is Galatians 5:22.

Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, that's okay. There it is. Yeah, yeah. Against such things, there is no law.

Okay. At the end of the list, yeah. Right. So, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness. This is all one thing.

Very particular in the Greek: karpos, not carpoi. Karposis, masculine, singular.

So it's really interesting: the fruit of the Spirit. It's like saying the one fruit. It's not saying the fruits. It says the the one fruit. I think it's interesting.

So, against this, there's no law. The law is that which reveals sin. That's Romans 5 3.20, Romans 7.7.

So, when we have the sin, it's because we break that law. That's 1 John 3:4. All right.

The The fruit of the Spirit is not subject. In that sense, to the law, and one of the reasons is because we've died to the law, because we've died in Christ, Romans 7:4.

So we're not under the obligation to fulfill the law, not to be saved in any way.

So there is no law In the scriptures that trumps love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. There is nothing that can trump that. The law can't negate it. with the things that you're to do. When we are loving.

It's the Spirit of God who is living in us. along with the father and the son. And so, because of this, we are not living under law, but in law. the Spirit of God. and so there is no law attached there.

So what we're doing is living. the truth of the presence of Christ. That's what it is.

Okay. Okay. Thank you, mate. Please may ask us, thank you for that. answer.

But it it just occurred to me when you were talking That word against as you know, is used in the Hebrew with the Lord saying, I will make a helper against you, but not in a negative sense, right?

Well is it Kneaver? This is in Greek, kata. And against.

So I I would be careful about uh about relating them equally like that. Yeah. Yeah, but but in that case it would mean that I There is no law that opposes them. Right. And there is or there's no law that supports them either.

to your point more, there's no law that supports Because it's not part of the law. Yeah, there is in a sense.

Now it says love God Deuteronomy 6 4 excuse me Deuteronomy 6.5 and and love your neighbor Leviticus 19 18.

So these are the Old Testament law, but they're reiterated in Matthew 22, 37, and 39, respectively.

So against the fruit. There is no law that supersedes, that moves in a superior way. The fruit of the Spirit is simply the dwelling of God, and we're freed from that law. There is no law that will work against us in that.

Okay. Okay, very good. Thanks again as usual for all your help. Sure, no problem at all.

Okay. Alright, well God bless. It's okay.

All right, next longest waiting is Russell from Ohio. Russell, welcome you're on the air. Thank you. My question was in at the last supper, When Jesus washed the feet, That wasn't part of the communion, right? That and communion is totally separate, and that was not.

It has a spiritual meaning of somehow instead of something that to be carried on. at a as a ordinance of a church, right? Right. The issue of washing of the feet was important because it was for servants. And so when Jesus the Master was serving the disciples by washing their dirty feet, you've got to understand that they would wear sandals, and sandals didn't block the dirt or the feces from the animals that would be scattered upon the same roads and people would walk.

And so they could be quite baked in or caked, I should say, in dust.

Sometimes you might step in things that aren't appropriate, nice to talk about on radio, and there you go. And so Jesus would clean their their feet.

So it's really uh almost traumatizing. For the disciples to have such a great leader humble himself to such a degree, it was usually for the lowest servants of a household to do.

So, this is an issue of service as he was about to go serve by dying. And so the service of Christ in his death is to be emulated in the service that we are to others because we have died in Christ and with Christ. In that cross, in his death. Romans 6:6, Romans 6:8, Colossians 3:1 through 5.

So, this is what the Bible teaches. And so this is a symbol, a representation of his service. To them, and it's an we're to emulate. You can, if you want, wash people's feet, but the idea overall is to be a servant to all.

Okay. Alright. Right, okay. And it says some something like symbolic of him cleansing us. A salvation, that that would be correct.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Because the Tony worked for the checkbox got cleansed and they cleansed them. And they said, if you don't do this, you're not cleansed. And we're out of time.

Call back tomorrow. We can talk to more about that. But anyway, we're out of time, buddy. God bless. Thank you.

All right.

All right, and Elijah call back tomorrow. We could talk about that. Hey folks, hope you had a good time listening. May the Lord bless you. Be back on here tomorrow by God's grace.

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