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You listen to Matt Slick live. Today's date is September 11th, 2024. A couple of significant events happened on this date.

And we'll get into some of those a little bit later about the Mormon, Mount Meadows massacre from the Mormons and also a little bit of Islam for the anniversary, so to speak, of what Islam did at 9-11. All right. Now, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. You can also email me and the number or the email address is info at KARM.org.

Info at KARM.org. C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. Just put in the subject line radio comment or radio question and we can get to those. All right. I'm not going to be on the air on Friday because I'm going to speak at a conference. And then on Monday, I won't be back or won't be able to be on the air on Monday either. So Friday and Monday, this week, next week, I'll be off.

Got things to take care of and all that kind of stuff. All right. Why don't we get on the air with Travis from North Carolina? Travis, welcome. You're on the air. How are you doing, Matt? Doing all right, man. Having just having a good time being on radio, man. What do you got, buddy? Well, real quick, if your ticket was paid for, your plane ticket in Northville and everything, all expenses paid, would you fly to North Carolina just to baptize somebody?

Wow. I don't know. Usually if I'm going to travel, because it takes so much time and I'm gone for so long that I more and more only want to travel if it's really going to be teaching and what ever, but if I was going to go out there, I'd want to spend some time out there, visit some churches and some people as well, but, you know, it's just, I don't know why. Your radio show is what led me to Christ the last time I was in prison, and I have been more and more thinking about baptism, and I mean, I understand it's not like if you're going to do it, it can only be Matt Slick. I understand that, but it just, what I'm saying is, if you're going to do it, if you're going to do it, it would really be significant to me, it would mean a lot to me. Well, if I was out there, but then we'd have to be in the prison there, right?

Do they have a baptismal formula? I come home in December. Oh, you do? Okay. Wow. Okay. Well, good. And hope you find a good church and everything else. All right.

Whew. Okay, buddy, so what do you got, ma'am? I've got my question, if you don't have any callers waiting after, I have like one or two little small yes or no questions, if you can get to them, since I don't get to call that much.

If not, it's cool, I can wait. But my question right now is, Revelation 17 verses 9 through 10, I was listening to one of these ministries on this panda app on the tablet I told you about, and this guy was trying to interpret the, let's see, he says, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come. He's trying to interpret the other has not yet come as being the United States. And when I look at prophecy and eschatological scriptures, usually what I see is that a nation is either represented by some kind of distinctive animal or some kind of characteristic or attribute or some action, and I see nothing in scripture anywhere that supports the United States being anywhere in prophecy. Yeah, I would agree, except to say that when the Bible prophesies that all nations will be gathered against Israel. Let's call this one a North Carolina Correctional Facility. It would be clear in there. You're breathing in, you're also breathing into the phone. So no, I wouldn't say that out of Revelation 17, 9 and 10, that the one that's coming is the United States, I wish people would stop trying to make the United States fit into the Bible like this.

The kings have to do with powers and individuals most probably, but yeah, I, it's ridiculous. Okay. Alright. Do you have time for a quick question or is there other people? Go ahead.

What do you got? The first one, the first one I think which would be the easiest, I understand that whole serpent thing Eve was impregnated by Satan or some dumb stuff. I understand that and I know how to refute it. The simple question is, is that something that we would call a damnable heresy? Well, it can certainly be in the area of something like that, depending on what they do with it.

You're breathing into the phone again, okay? So the thing is that we know that serpent seed doctrine is false doctrine and good rule to Genesis 4-1 for that. But I wouldn't call it a damnable heresy, it's just associated with what's with it.

What are they saying and what are they doing with it? But generally speaking, something like that does provide the bedrock for other heresies to develop and the more you get, the further away from the truth you are and examine that. Last one, and this one is kind of inconsequential, but it seems really strange to me that in Genesis 37 we start out with the story of Joseph, he's thrown in the pit, sent to Egypt and then the story just stops, goes to the story of Judah, and goes back to Joseph. Is there any significance for why that is placed where it is placed in the book of Genesis?

Yeah, of course there's a significance, I don't know what it is, but a lot of times the writers have something in their mind that they want to get understood. So if it goes from Judah, Tamar, and back, I would have to look at that and see if there's some clue in a verse that might suggest it, but off the top of my head, I don't know. Okay. All right, well thank you so much for your time, Matt, have a safe trip, and I'll just try to get some of these mobile phones converted or whatever's going on in that conference.

Okay, sounds good. But yeah, thank you so much for your time, thank you for all, you always take my calls, they're always helpful and polite and I greatly appreciate it. All right, well praise God, brother, praise God. All right, okay, well there you go.

Hey, we have nobody waiting right now, we had one caller and I know what the question was, so I'll address it, but if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276, you can also email me info at karm.org, info at karm, c-a-r-m dot o-r-g, just put the subject line radio comment, radio question, and we can get to it. All right, so the question that was going to be asked by the next caller was, were people in the Old Testament regenerate, and that's a good question, and I don't know how to answer the question, and the reason is because we have to define what regeneration is, and then the question is, is that possible in the Old Testament? So if we say that regeneration is the indwelling of God in a person who had put their faith and trust in Christ, then we would say that didn't happen, because they hadn't put their faith and trust in Christ. On the other hand, if they were putting their faith and trust in the coming Messiah and the work of God, could they then have been considered regenerate? Some theologians think, well yes, and some think no, because the sacrifice of Christ had not yet been offered, and people who died before the sacrifice of Christ went to a holding place, and they weren't, some of the theory is, they weren't capable of having the Holy Spirit indwell them in a regenerative sense, because the sacrifice of Christ hadn't been offered. Now David said, don't take your Holy Spirit from me, I think it's Psalm 51 I think, and this is after his great sin. So some say, well that might be the fact that he was regenerate and he could lose his salvation. I don't buy that for a second. But it could be that the anointing of the Holy Spirit upon him, he says, please don't take that from me.

So there's just a lot of discussions about this. So I'm not able to say for sure if the people in the Old Testament were regenerate, but it seems to me that they would have been. Because as Abraham was justified by faith, Romans 4-3, because he believed God was reckoned to him as righteousness, that's out of Genesis 15-6, well, if we look over into the New Testament time, the New Covenant, can we say that we have a justified individual who's not regenerate? In the New Testament context, no, that's not possible. The question then becomes, is it possible in the Old Testament if regeneration is understood as being something required in the end of the Holy Spirit based on the sacrifice of Christ? Well, this really just, I go in circles back and forth because they had the Holy Spirit back then. You go to Job 33-4, the Spirit of God made me and things like that, and the Holy Spirit hovered over the earth at the beginning of Genesis chapter 1, he was there. So this is just not an easy one to answer.

It's just not an easy answer. My view is, yeah, they were regenerate because they were faithful and their hope was in God and the Messiah and his deliverance. So that was enough to justify them, and I don't see how anybody can be justified and also not saved. And if you're saved, you're regenerate.

So I lean towards that position that, yes, they were regenerate, but the reason I kind of went all these different directions is to show you that this discussion has been had by various theologians and there are issues related to it, and we can't say exactly 100% for sure, but we can have an opinion, and that's what I gave you was my opinion on that. So there you go. Now if you want, you can give me a call.

All you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. I had a cough right there. Hold on. All right. Wow. Oh, that's interesting. So what I'm going to do now is get to, the window popped up, I was looking for something. I'm going to, we got a couple of callers coming in.

So we've got some emails that people have sent in, I was thinking about getting some of those, and we have a lot actually of questions and issues from submissions. So it says Revelation 1, 1, God gave the revelation to Jesus who then delegated down the revelation to eventually be given to John. If God and Jesus are co-equal members of the Trinity, why did God the Father need to give secret knowledge to the co-equal member of the Trinity, God the Son? Well it wasn't that he needed to give it, it's that there is a condition of which Jesus is made under the law and will be forever a high priest after the order of Melchizedek who is a man forever.

And so we see the continuation of this relationship between the Father and the Son in how the Father gave to the Son certain things. So the logic is, well why would he, if he's God, why would he have to give that to him? Well let me just sidestep and say this, in Revelation 19, 12 it says, for his eyes are a flame of fire and on his head are many diatoms and he has a name written on himself which no one knows except himself. He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, his name is called the word of God. So we see here in Revelation 19, 12 where Jesus has a name that no one knows except himself. Well we could ask the question, wait a minute, if God the Father is supposed to know everything and it says no one knows his name except himself, then God the Father doesn't know it, therefore doesn't know everything, therefore he's not God, why would that be the case? What I'm trying to do is show that you want to be careful when making doctrine particularly out of the book of Revelation.

I don't knock the book of Revelation, there's a lot of symbolism in there, we're just going to be careful and we don't want to go too far with it and so if I gave the answer at the beginning there about Christ's condition, we're just going to be careful, we don't go too far with it. We'll be right back after these messages, please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276, here's Matt Slick. Alright everyone, welcome back to the show, if you want to give me a call, it is easy, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276, you can also give me an email, info at karm.org for the subject line radio comment or radio question and we can get to it.

Alright, there you go, let's get on the air with, let's see Jim from Raleigh, North Carolina, Jim welcome, you're on the air. Hey Matt, appreciate you taking my call, I think you had a program about a week or so dedicated to the Antichrist, which I miss, I hate to miss it, but I've always been a little confused and 1 John 2.18 says you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many Antichrists have come by which we know it is the last hour. I get confused, I always thought there was just one Antichrist, can you clear that up for me? Well it says there are many Antichrists, there is a figure who is the Antichrist, a special one, but there are all kinds of Antichrists out there, those who war against the truth of who Christ is and that can be considered in different levels too, like false prophets like Joseph Smith or Charles Taze Russell or, what's his name out of the Chris Adelphians, I hate it when I forget names, so there are people who deny who Christ truly is and they think they have them understood but they don't, then there are those who are just against Christianity all together and we see a lot of Antichrists all over the place, particularly in political parties, we see them in social movements all over, so that's all that's going on there. Okay, I guess then there is only one the Antichrist, Antichrist for certain things but is there the Antichrist which is the one, the main one or whatever? Yes and he is spoken of in different places, I've written an article on him and he will be wounded, right eye, right arm will be withered, he'll probably be homosexual, he won't regard the gods of his fathers, he's going to be oppressive and he'll want to control life and death, all kinds of things like that, so he also will raise himself up and claim to be god and his arrival can't occur until the apostasy comes and 2 Thessalonians 2-3, so his arrival, he's called the man of lawlessness, the son of destruction who exalts, opposes and exalts himself above every so called god or object of worship and takes his seat in the temple of god displaying himself as being god, so that's the Antichrist but Antichrists are out there. The Antichrist, you already answered my question, I was wanting to know what are some of the characteristics that he would have or how would you identify him and that sort of thing. Yeah I can, let's see, Antichrist, political, I wrote an article a while back which political party with the Antichrist or might he belong to, so he's going to be pro-LGBTQ because he'll show no regard for the gods of his father or for the desired women, Daniel 11.37, pro-abortion because he is the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan and Satan was a murderer from the beginning, so killing is not a problem and he will be the one who will go after the innocents and so he'll kill those in the womb, so the spirit of Antichrist is already alive and well in the pro-abortion movement. He'll support a one world government, that's out of Revelation 13, he'll force compliance with his policies, again out of Revelation 13 and this is going to be political control. He'll use deception because he's in the wonders, he works alongside the activity of Satan who uses false wonders, that's 2 Thessalonians 2.9 and he's a deceiver and he'll make war with the Christians, so that's out of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 again. So yeah this is it, it doesn't indicate what part of the world these are going to come from, we don't even know what country or anything like that is.

No, I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out of Israel, I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out of the Muslim nation as well, or out of the Roman Catholic Church. So I just don't know, I just don't know. Okay, well thank you very much. You're welcome very much, well God bless. All right, hey folks just want to remind you that we stay on the air by your support, please consider supporting us. All you have to do is go to karm.org forward slash donate, that's karm.org forward slash donate. We have a new system in, so you're able to go in and adjust and see and do what you want, start, stop, adjust, whatever, and it's easy to do karm.org, karm.org and just to remind you we do stay on the air by your support and if you like what you hear, well consider supporting us.

All right, let's get on the air with Brittany from Arizona, Brittany welcome, you're on the air. Hi Matt, I have a question on 1 Corinthians chapter 14 verse 39, and this is ESV. It says, so my brothers earnestly desire to prophesy and do not forbid speaking in tongues. Does that mean for churches today, you know, because we go to a reform church and there's a cessationist, is it wrong then to be saying, no we don't do that, no it's not real, or whatever? No, I'm reformed and this has been an old topic for me for a long, long time and I'm convinced that all the charismatic gifts are for today, Jesus, or it's going to be Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1.7 that we not lack any charisma, any charismatic while we're waiting for the return of Christ. In 1 Corinthians 13, 8, it's going to be 9, it says for we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.

What's the perfect? Well they say it's the canon, it's the Bible, I don't buy that for a second because it says when that perfect comes, we'll see face to face. Well we see face to face, that's always used in the Bible as a personal encounter and that's not face to face when the hand is completed, it's when Jesus returns, etc. So the cessationist position, I know that there's a lot of people who hold to it and they don't practice those gifts and I get it, that's not a big deal, but 1 Corinthians 14, 1 says pursue love yet earnestly desire spiritual gifts, especially if you may prophesy. Now the question we want to ask then, are they saying, the cessationist saying, well you see that verse isn't for today, it was only for them back then, then what I suggest, you could do this exercise, is to go through and print up 1 Corinthians 14 and cross out the verses that don't apply for us today.

Cessationism is the only contemporary doctrine I know of that invalidates large portions of scripture. Alright now, so should they be practicing it in church? Well yeah, my position would say of course they should. We should be having the ability and the openness to have the spiritual gifts manifested in the body of Christ.

That's what I believe. Now how it's done, that's another discussion. When should it be done?

How and what order should it be done? So these are the things we could talk about. Now hold on, because there's a break, I know I just probably raised the eyebrows on a lot of people, but if you want to hold on, we'll continue talking after the break, okay? Alright, so that's Brittany from Arizona, so if you want to give me a call, it's 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Oh God, I want to welcome back to the show, Brittany, are you still there? Yes, so I guess my quick question is just, I called a couple weeks ago, we started attending a Presbyterian church. Would you go to a Presbyterian church that there are cessationists, or would you not do that? Yeah, I would go, it's not a problem.

I would go, unless they sang hymns, I don't like hymns, so that's just me. But if there are cessationists, it's okay, you know, it's like whatever, I just know the position, and I don't agree with the cessationist position at all, but I think we as Christians need the movement of the Spirit to increase, particularly now as persecution is coming. So, but anyway. Okay. Alright, do you have time for another quick question, or no? Sure.

Are you all millennial? Yes. Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay, good. Because they are. Yes, I've written a lot on millennialism, and I have very, very good arguments for it, and no one's refuted it yet. And also, if you go to Carm and look up who's taken first, the wicked or the good, at the coming of Christ, check that out, because the first one's taken, the first one's taken are the wicked, not the good.

You know, two men in the field, one is taken, one is left, that's the wicked who were taken, in the context. So yeah. I'm going to do a video on all this, I'm going to call it depressed scatology. So that's what we'll do. Alright? Okay, thanks, Matt. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay, God bless. Okay, bye. Alright.

Okay, now, as I was talking about at the beginning of the show, I want to get into something here. Today is 9-11, and we know it because of the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers in New York. And I was there afterwards, about a few months afterwards, and got to see the damage and the hole that was there and some other stuff. But there's something else that's not known about 9-11, and that is the Mountain Meadows Massacre. The Mountain Meadows Massacre occurred on, most historians think, 9-11, 1857. The context is that the Mormons had moved the east to the west and had settled in the valley of where there's present day Salt Lake City. And they had extended south into Utah, just think of Utah today as south.

By car, it'd probably take three hours to get down to where the Mountain Meadows was. What was happening was there was a wagon train, I think it was the Baker-Fancher party, and they were heading to California and they had gone through the southern part of Utah area. There were some problems there. The Mormons were pretty cautious about people coming through because they weren't a state, they were practicing polygamy, and they'd already been persecuted, and they were persecuted, sometimes unrighteously and sometimes because they caused problems, but nevertheless.

So they were nervous about that, and there had been some issues about the federal government maybe putting pressure on them. So this is all in the background. So the wagon train came through, and inside the wagon train was a group called Missouri Wildcats and they said they had the gun that killed Joseph Smith.

Well this is just not a smart thing to do. Well I'll just get to the point, the Mormons had been taught the doctrine of blood atonement by Brigham Young up north. Blood atonement, he had taught that in order to have your sins forgiven, if you'd committed murder and adultery the only way to have your sins forgiven was to have your own blood shed. All of this is the background. So if the Mormons are hearing this, they're already nervous about people coming through their area. There's already tension going on because of possible government being involved, people coming through. They had the gun that killed Joseph Smith, the Mormons, they reacted. Part of the theological perspective was that they claimed to be the true church, to be persecuted by unbelievers, so they were being persecuted as they had left.

Now they're in a safe area, so more people are going to come through and persecute them. Plus there are these people who claim to have had the gun that killed Joseph Smith. So blood atonement might have been necessary in order for those people to atone for their sins so that kind of a thing could justify the actions of the Mormons killing roughly 125 women and children on September 11th, because that's what happened. And they initially had attacked a few days earlier, on September 7th, 1857, and the immigrants, the wagon train, what they did, they got into a circle, a wagon circle, and I'll skip details, but long story short, they were under attack and the Mormons made an agreement with them that if they were to deliver their weapons over to the Mormons, the Mormons would walk them out of the valley and they could just go on their way to California.

Good lesson, don't ever give up your weapons. And so the wagon train people agreed to this because their supplies were low, their ammo was low, and they were going out and at the right signal, the Mormons and the, I think it was Paiute Indians, they attacked. They supposedly were led by a guy named John D. Lee, but there's some debate about that. And so they killed a lot of the people there. And the instructions were not to kill those young children who were under the age of accountability. So there's different debate, I mean, just debates about how many people were killed.

I've heard as low as 120 and high as 125. So there you go, okay, they did, they killed men, women, and children. Now the ones who survived in the children, the Mormons took them back to their homes and then charged money to the people, the relatives later who came and retrieved them. So this happened on September 11th, 1857, the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

You can look it up and you can see all kinds of documentation for it. There's a movie that was done called September Dawn, you can check it out. And what happened was John D. Lee was held responsible for it and he was executed for this massacre.

Oh, I forgot one sub point, I wanted to say something. Is that when the wagon trainers had first come through and the Mormons were deciding what to do, they sent a runner up on a horse up to Salt Lake City asking what to do. And the runner did not get back in time before the massacre occurred, but it seems to be, this is what I was told by Bill McKeever, a friend of mine who's an expert on Mormonism, they're in the Salt Lake City area who runs MRM.org, Mormonism Research Ministry. So Bill told me it looks like the advice that Brigham Young said was leave them alone, let them go. That's what it seems to be, just to be fair.

But it didn't get back in time, they ended up killing these people and this is called the Mountain Metals massacre on 9-11, 1857. So that's just some information and if it's interesting, you do some more research on it and you can see, you can see there's a lot there. Alright let's get to Adam from California, Adam welcome, you're on the air. What do you got buddy? Hey man, how you doing?

Oh, I'm doing okay, hanging in there man, hanging in there, what do you got? Yeah, so I was calling because I wanted to know a little bit about what the world was like pre-flood and know it's fun, I was reading and I was just curious about you know how the water came up out of the earth and was there like a water system in the atmosphere? I'm sure it was a different place. Apparently, now you're talking about the geographical, geological stuff, so I've read articles about this and yeah there were water fountains under the earth, water above the earth in the clouds, that was a great amount of water that was there and that both let loose at the same time and the torrent of the flood would not be just a little rising level but it would have been a tremendous water flow, I don't know, 100 miles an hour, that kind of a thing, it would have just been humongous and would have wiped everything out, it would have stripped the land bare, it would have just done all kinds of stuff.

So apparently, caradactyls can't fly in our present atmosphere because it's not thick enough. Now I don't know if that's accurate but I've heard this and so one of the theories is that before the flood that there was a canopy effect of water density in the atmosphere which would contribute to refraction of sunlight around the earth at the whole time so it wouldn't go completely dark during nighttime but the refractive rays of the sun would bounce around in that thick atmosphere which would then cause a slight glow or just a hue around the earth and also a stable temperature system which would then contribute to the growth of plants and reptiles hence dinosaurs and things like that and then the flood came and changed everything. A lot there to get out. Thank you. So hold on, we'll go over it after we get back for the break so hold on, we'll be right back after these messages, please stay tuned.

All right everybody, welcome back to the show. I just want to offer a point of clarification about the Mountain Meadows Massacre. The Mormons and the Indians worked together to attack the wagon train. The Indians were to attack the women and the Mormons did the men but it's kind of mixed up in there but that was the basic idea of what happened.

Let's get back on with Adam from California. Okay buddy, gave you a lot of info so there you go. Yeah that was something I was thinking about going through that. I was just kind of curious what the world would have looked like and is that why men back then were able to live so long that it had something to do with less exposure I guess to UV and stuff like that? Yes that's a theory, it's just a theory. But I remember reading an article where they had this computer generation thing for children. Here's a picture of a child and add 10 years, add 20 years, they're trying to find missing children who maybe have been kidnapped or whatever. So they're trying to master the idea of predicting what someone's face would look like given their genetics and heritage and some other stuff. Well someone got the idea, what would happen at 100 years old, 200, 300, 400, 500 years old and when they went into this several hundred years range they started looking like Neanderthals. That's what the comment was, man look at those ridge brows because their brain cavity was big, bigger than ours is now apparently and some other stuff and people thought that was really interesting. So I remember that, so the issue here is maybe they were living a lot longer because of that area, I don't know, but we do know this that after the flood then their lifespan was reduced significantly.

So maybe there's something to that. Yeah I appreciate it man, thank you for all the info, I really appreciate the work you're doing, thank you. Okay man, you're welcome, God bless. God bless brother, take care, bye bye.

Alright so we have nobody waiting right now, if you want to give me a call the number is 8772072276. So I went over a little bit of stuff today, 9-11 on Mormonism, how the Mountain Meadows Massacre occurred on this day and November 11, 1857 or 120 to 125 men, women and children were murdered and killed. So there's that, like I said look it up and you can look up the movie September Dawn which talks about this. But then we also have the issue of the 9-11 attacks here in America because of Islam. Because what is it about Islam that teaches this kind of a thing, that there's so much destruction? Well, I'm going to discuss that a little bit, but there's a website, thereligionofpeace.com. All one word, thereligionofpeace.com, I go to it every now and then. They have on the left hand side, Jihad Report, August 31st, 2024 to September 6th, how many people have been killed, 155 people. Since August 31 to September 6th, have been killed by Muslims, there have been suicide blasts in 9 different countries with 24 attacks. And how many Islamic terrorist attacks have been carried out since 9-11? According to that website, thereligionofpeace.com, it's 45,881, almost 46,000 attacks.

We have a missionary in Nigeria that we support in CARM financially, we help him out and he goes and preaches and teaches and he risks his life. And the Muslims there are being provided weapons and motorcycles to be able to attack the villages in different parts of Nigeria and kill them and do forced conversions. And it's not being covered by the news media, it's the Christians who are being killed.

They're attacking the Christians when they have church, when they know there's Christian areas, they go in and attack them. Well, what is it about Islam that does this? Islam is a religion of violence. Now, I'll be speaking a little bit on Islam on Saturday that's coming up in Southern California at the Ministry of the Muslims conference in Yorba Linda, Southern California, Yorba Linda at Calvary Chapel there in Yorba Linda.

I'll be doing a thing on two topics dealing with Jesus, but the other one I'm going to be doing is who's a better moral example, Jesus or Mohammed. And I'll mention a little bit in there about the death that Mohammed caused. And he did, he was in, he taught, he flat out just taught killing people who leave Islam, he taught it was okay to go after the people who weren't Muslims. Now, a lot of times the Muslims will say, no, that's always self-defense. That is not true, absolutely is not true. There were people who had surrendered to Mohammed, he had him killed. There were people who were doing nothing but fleeing and he killed them.

There's lots of accounts about this, it's well-documented and you can go on the web and you can look up the stuff. So, in Surah 9, which is the second to last Surah, the chapter, the chapter of Surah in the Quran, the chronologically written Surah 9, then it comes to 10, 11, 12, but don't make the mistake of saying that Surah 9 was written before Surah 10, it wasn't. The way the Quran is arranged is roughly that the bigger, the longer Surahs or chapters are put at the front of the Quran and the smaller ones at the end.

That's a general rule and it's followed pretty accurately except in a few places, but nevertheless. So Surah 9 is one Surah and the last Surah written is Surah 114. I'm going to read Surah 114 because there's a principle here.

It's called abrogation. Abrogation in Islam means that if a revelation comes later and it speaks on the same topic of a revelation that came earlier, then the later revelation abrogates or supersedes the previous one. So Surah 9 is the second chronologically written one and Surah 114 is the last chronological one. So anything in Surah 114 that addresses anything in Surah 9 would be abrogated by Surah 114. But this is what Surah 114 says, say I seek refuge with the Lord and Cherisher of mankind, the king or ruler of mankind, the god of mankind for the mischief of the whisperer of evil who withdraws after his whisperer, the same who whispers into the hearts of mankind among jinns and among men. So nothing there really is, I think this is the right one, the last mixture, because I was going to make sure, the point here is that nothing in the last Surah abrogates what's in Surah 9.

This is really important, it's really critical that you understand this. So in Surah 9 what it says is absolutely just astounding. But it says there, I think it's Surah 110, now that I'm thinking about it, Surah 110 is the last one, I just want to make sure I'm getting this right, because it's been a long time since I've talked about this. What I'm going to do is read Surah 110, that's what it is, yes, when comes the help of Allah and victory, and thou dost see the people enter Allah's religion and crowds, celebrate the praises of thy Lord and pray for his forgiveness, he's off returning. So now what we do is we see that nothing in there is ever any real significant, let's go to Surah 9 and start reading and what happens is in verse 5 it says, but when the forbidden months are past, fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them and seize them, beleaguered them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war, but if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice charity, then open the way for them for Allah is off forgiving and most merciful.

So how is he merciful? When they submit, when they're beaten, when they're beaten down and they say, okay, you beat us, then they start paying the mandatory jizya tax to the Muslims in their empire, then that's when Allah is merciful. So because it did say in there, when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans. When you go to verse 14 of Surah 9, fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you to victory over them, heal the breasts of the believers.

In Surah 20, those who believe and suffer exile and strive with might and main in Allah's cause with their goods and their persons have the highest rank in the sight of Allah. So if you fight for Allah, then he views you well. And in 29, Surah 9, 29, fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth, even if they are of the people of the book. In other words, the people of the book is the people of the Bible.

So fight them. And I was told by a gentleman named Dakhlouk who speaks Arabic and he said, this is when I was on TV with him on A.B. and satellite TV network, he said the word fight there in the Arabic in Surah 9, 29 means fight to kill. That's what it means.

And so you can see that in the Quran, the idea of fighting and destroying unbelievers is part of what the religion of Islam teaches. So that's what it is. It's bad news and it's bad.

So anyway, the second to last is Surah 9 and the most view held is that Surah 110 is the last Surah written chronologically. All right. So what do you think of that? 9-11 is an interesting date, interesting, where death occurs from false religions. Anyway, hey folks, look, I know I say a lot of controversial things. I know that I say things like if you're a real knowledgeable Democrat and you claim to be a true knowledgeable Christian, how can you be a Democrat if you're a really knowledgeable Christian?

I don't see how that's possible if you're a knowledgeable Christian because the Democratic Party is the party of the anti-Christ, the party of killing the babies, pro-LGBTQ and all the things against the scriptures, most of the things. I say things like Mormonism is not Christian, Eastern Orthodoxy is not Christian, Roman Catholicism is not Christian because they're not and I stand on these things. I'll be willing to debate those issues and I'm unusual in that as a Reformed individual I affirm the charismatic gifts.

It's unusual in the Reformed camp, but hey, that's what it is. I'm not loyal to anybody except my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and want to present the truth in what he has said and what I believe he has said out of the word of God at the best of my ability. Now having said all of that, I certainly admit I certainly can be wrong. If you believe I am, please, please pray for me and ask that the Lord would open my heart, my mind to those areas that need to be corrected and where I'm right, please ask God to strengthen the conviction to speak the truth of God's word and in light of this, ladies and gentlemen, just want to say, please consider supporting us here at this ministry. We stay on the air by your support and you could go to karm.org, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G forward slash donate and everything you need is right there. We would appreciate your support.

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