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And this guy, if we get talking and I see it after a while, I go, wait a minute. You don't think Matt Slick's my real name? He goes, of course not. And I said, well, it is. He says, no, it's not. I got a big kick out of that because I'm telling him my name is not your name. Really, I didn't know it was. So anyway, after a lot of people in the room go, no, that's his real name. You know, and at any rate.

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In October, it'll be 25, 29, excuse me, 29 years old. And it's got over 160 million visitors to the site. So a lot's been going on, been working a lot of stuff. Today, I did a video to match an article, which will be released in three or four days.

And the article and the video are what would make a good sermon. Stuff like that with good and bad. So that's what I was doing, working on that today. And I'm going to be doing some other stuff, trying to teach myself how to do social media things. And I got a lot more to do as far as learning goes.

And today, today is hate mail Friday. And so hopefully I'll get to some of that. And if you want to send me an email, all you have to do is send it to info at carm dot org, info at carm, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. And I just put in the subject line, radio comment or radio question. And then we can get to it that way.

Hopefully that'll make it easy. All right. Well, why don't we just jump on, excuse me, jump on the air. Let's get to Jamal. Hey, Jamal, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Mr. Matt Slick.

Thank you for taking my call. Had a question about other guys that might be compared to Jesus throughout history. For instance, I've heard of through like, you know, Internet and other guys talking, of course, I don't believe it. It's just ammunition to for the detractors. They said they were guys that floated and other guys that were resurrected. I just wanted to get some ammunition to get them out of here.

ammunition to go with those guys. We can't say that those things did or did not happen when people say to anybody comparable to Jesus. Well, you can compare people to Jesus, you know, compare Mohammed to Jesus and Mohammed comes up short.

But what a lot of critics do is they just say, well, Osiris or Mithra or some of these ancients or somebody else or whatever, they were just like Jesus. And it just goes on and on and on. And what I'll do with them is I'll say, well, do you have any documentation for this? And they don't have any documentation except for Bob, Bob's website, you know, and I just made this up and I heard this. I'm putting it up here. It's just stuff like that.

So when when there's different ways to tackle them. So one of the things I'll do when someone says there's others, just like Jesus, I say, OK, all right, let me ask you, did did this other figure, was he proceeded, proceeded by all kinds of prophecies, you know, his birthplace, would come into the place of what lineage would be, you know, you know, how he would die, his resume is all prophesied and documented, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years beforehand. And, you know, well, not really. But he might have some who say, yes, well, there's documentation. Let us see that.

And then they never produce it. OK. And I'll say, OK, so how many of them raised themselves from the dead? Because Jesus prophesied that in John two, 19 through 21. How many of them walked on water and raised others from the dead as well as themselves from the dead?

When you start going into more specifics about Jesus than these imposters fall away. Now, maybe there's a guy who floated. Let's just say there's a well-documented case of of someone floating.

All right. I'd say, OK, so he's floating. Now, what does it prove? Does it prove he's equal to Jesus, who claimed to be God?

Or is this the guy floating? Because how do you know it wasn't demons doing it and, you know, other things? So there's lots of ways we can. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I've got strength. I'm listening. Go ahead. Sorry.

OK. So they're saying when when people start saying that and I'm having a dialog with them, I started getting more specific over and over and over again about various things. And then they're their arguments just fall flat.

And they always do. So that's one of the ways to do it, one of the ways to tackle them. OK. Yeah. And, you know, that's one of my key ones is the the resurrection of of Jesus. Like, OK, well, I hear your documentation and everything, but how do you explain it to him and all that?

And they say, you know, they they can't justify that or they can't prove it. So I just wanted some other stuff because they're in the tomb and the prophecies are very true. Also, how he, you know, lived his life and raised other folks, nobody else did that either. So, yeah, I appreciate that. I'm walking the dog right now.

So that's why I kind of found and did and will strike. So thank you for your questions. I'll try to call back what I'm doing with the walk. All right, man. Sounds good, buddy. God bless.

All right. God bless. Hey, we have nobody waiting right now. If you want to give me a call on this nice Friday, all you have to do is dial 8772072276 I'm going to get some hate mail because we got nobody waiting. And I just want to let you know that we stay on the air by your support. And so if you like what you hear and you want it to continue, would you please consider supporting us?

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It's a slow go because we don't have the resources to do everything all at once, but we're working it. All right. All right. Now, we do have a caller coming in, but, you know, I do like hate mail. You know, like I told people, I'm a little off and people are saying amen to that. But I enjoy hate mail and whacko mail.

I do. And here's a here's a good one. And it starts off with the title, Still Can't Answer the Question. Of course, it doesn't say what the question is. I don't know who this person is, but it starts off because you do not know what the Bible really teaches because you are too busy spewing this complete non-biblical sun. S-U-N, sun, space, day, church, garbage.

Garbage that is not taught in the Bible anywhere. How absolutely pathetic. Well, you know, you'd think that such a person might do something like this. You go to karm.org. Right. And then you go to the search engine and you type in Sunday worship. Right.

Let's see if there's anything on Karm about this. And like there's an article here. Does the Bible allow Christians to worship on Sunday? Another one is why do we worship on Sunday instead of Saturday?

Oh, hey, look, all you have to do is start doing some reading and you can go to the various verses in the scripture that we use to justify Sunday worship right out of the New Testament. And they are there and go into it sometime if you want. And so there you go. OK, I mean, you know, I like these kind of insults. You know, they're unpathetic. And it reminds me of someone who insulted me a few days ago on the radio. And I just let it go.

I thought they might as well kind of entertaining. So let's oh, hey, speaking of that, let's get to Horvash from Virginia. Horvash, welcome. You're on the air, man. Hi, Matt, can you hear me? Yes, I can.

Yes, I can. OK. So my question is just what you were just speaking of. And the man that you were debating, I guess I don't I just don't understand what his stance was with like the word world and what this world mean. And can you explain that a little more to me?

What was the issue that you brought up? Well, you see, I affirm what's called limited atonement, that Jesus only legally bore the sin of the elect, because if he did bear the sin of everybody who ever lived, then their sins are paid for. If their sins are paid for, according to Colossians 2 14, then they're canceled, they're gone, then nobody could go to hell because they're all gone, they're all paid for. It's simple logic, and it's a very good thing.

And then people say, well, you got accepted. No, you don't, because then what they're doing is they're saying that the sacrifice of Christ is made effective by what you do. And they have man centered theology, not God centered theology.

And I get into stuff like this. So what sometimes they'll do is they'll go to John 3 16, for example, and I'll get to the verses he brought up. But John 3 16, God's love the world, he gave his only begotten son. And people will just say, well, the word world there means every individual.

Maybe, maybe not. And so what I did was I pointed out in Matthew 15 24, where Jesus says he was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He was not sent to the whole world. He was only sent to Israel. And then when we look at the Jewish mindset, we see that the Bible tells us who he was sent to and the scope of the meaning of words.

OK, so this is the behind the scenes. So one of the things he went to was John 129. The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, behold, the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. And so he said, if I remember correctly, that the word world means every individual.

Well, how's that working? If if the word world there means every individual and he's taken the sin away of every individual, then how does anybody go to hell? And so whatever excuse anybody was going to give me at this point. Well, that's that sin.

And why aren't they going? You know, it causes it actually means that God is doing something unrighteous because he's paid for the sin. The sin is gone.

But yet he's still going to judge them. And he could go to hell for what? For nothing.

Nothing left. Right. So it's that the other one was first John two, two. He went to Jesus's appreciation only for our sins, the sins of the whole world and the idea of world. And he was saying that I say the word world there means the elect.

I think it was John 129. He says, you say he's the elect, you know this. And that's not my position that the world there means that. So it was stuff like that. And there's a break. So can you hold on? And I know you want to comment.

Yeah, I hope you do. And then let me get right back from the break. We'll talk to you. OK. Hey, folks, if you want to give me a call, we have three open lines.

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Let's get back to Horvash. Be right back. Hi. Hi. OK, so did that help?

Yes. So I am growing up as a Christian in the church. I became a Christian when I was 16. I the way that that man was debating you, that's how I was taught. And but I, I, I really like respect you and your points and and I just feel like you're really sound. And so I wanted to look more into that.

Sure. And so I guess what my my question would be, then, how how would I reconcile like when Jesus said, Go make disciples of all nations or like, you know, to to bring people to Christ? And we're not going to know who they elect are.

So we we preach to anyone, everyone. That's exactly right. So I guess my question is, how would I reconcile that or is there reconciliation with that?

And then how could I learn more about that? There's no need to reconcile. It's just simple. OK. Go do what Jesus said. That's it. You know, I mean, yeah, the elect is already chosen.

Yeah, they are. And we don't know the criteria that God has chosen them. We don't know how that works. We don't know if your prayer, which the Bible says in James five, can influence God because it's in Christ. We don't know how we who are indwelt by God. And he moves us to pray for somebody is accomplishing his will that influences him because it's what he wants us to do.

These kind of statements are kind of like circular, but we don't know. We do know that the Bible elects says God elects. We know that from Ephesians one, four, Second Thessalonians two, 13.

It's just what it says. OK, well, people say, well, if they're elected, don't witness. But that's not what the Bible says either. It bothers me as people say, well, if election is true, then don't evangelize. Well, election is true because the Bible teaches it and it teaches to evangelize.

So do both. And it always confuses me. Yeah, we don't know and we don't know how it works. We just don't know. And me, I'm a witnessing fool.

I'm always out looking for opportunities to witness and to share. And I think people say, well, you can't do that. Why not? Because you're a Calvinist.

Well, why can't I? And they don't realize some of the greatest evangelists around are reformed in their theology. And so and that's another thing, too. Like, I don't want to take up any more of your time, but it's OK. No, I don't think I can like go study like Calvinism reform. Is that something on karm.org that I could go like, look up? If you really want, I have another website where I put that stuff on there, and that's Calvinist Corner, one word, Calvinist corner dot com.

There's a lot of stuff there. OK. And because, look, I'm reformed in my theology. I believe in the sovereignty of God. And Charlie, who I'm looking at on the screen right now, he's on the board of directors. I've known him 44 years. And to be perfectly frank, I don't know if he's really a Calvinist or not. I don't know. Are you or are you not?

Charlie, he's kind of he's he's going any kind of in between. OK, it's all right. And so, you know, and I've known him 44 years.

He's the guy who read me the quote that got me started studying apologetics, you know, so long ago. So to me, it's like, OK. But when people call it a heresy, I'm going to I'm going to step up if they say we don't need to do this and that because I'm going to step up. I'm going to defend it. But, you know, it's like if you come back to me three weeks later and say, I'm just convinced that your position in a couple of these areas of reform theology, you say you're convinced I'm wrong. I'll go, OK, as long as you believe in the essentials. So that's that's what that's what I say.

All right. And I want unity in the body of Christ. I want the Christians to be educated. I also want them to know that we reform people have good reasons for why we believe what we believe. And so don't be so quick to judge and just be open minded. And if you're not agreeing, that's OK. And then read Romans 14, which says, do not pass judgment on your brother.

Undebatable issues. And too many people do. Yeah. Yes.

That man that you're speaking to definitely did. Yeah. Yes. Thank you so much. That helps a lot. And I'll go check that out. Thank you, man. Sure. You're welcome.

Let me know what you think. OK. All right. God bless. OK, I will. Thank you. OK. All right. Let me just reiterate, folks, you know, I've been on different radio networks and let's just say that generally the idea of preaching Calvinism is not not looked upon with a lot of favor, but I'm not saying they're hostile or like that, but you know, I am reformed.

I'm sorry, but I am. And if you disagree with me, OK, that doesn't I don't care. As long as you're not causing division in the body of Christ or looking down your nose at anybody who is reformed, just as a reform should not be looking down or knows that those who aren't. It shouldn't happen. We need to be focusing on our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and what good he has done. And this is what I say. Hey, we're all going to be corrected when we get to heaven. So be careful.

We point fingers at. All right, let's get to Martin from Virginia. Martin, welcome you on the air.

Oh, hey, Matt. Hey, thanks for your witness and your ministry. And I got to tell you off the bat that please don't be harsh on Charlie. He's a he's a good soul. I think, you know, when you were gone and I think Israel for the week a week or a week plus, that was the first week. I don't think anybody got condemned from Carm.

Oh, it was it was not a calm, calm and making week. Charlie, he's a good guy. Sharp guy. Smart guy.

There is a good guy. That's right. He condemned nobody. So, you know, I condemn people. Maybe what you mean by the authority scripture.

I mean, if you believe, you know, the Catholics are false and, you know, I'll do it because I'm not afraid to do it. But it depends what the calls are. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. Well, I mean, I I listen to a lot of your callers. It's like, you know, I, you know, I unfortunately, I like, oh, my gosh, I might condemn that person, too. But, you know, Charlie, Charlie did good.

He kept to the wits and he kept very level headed. I'm supposed to go to Europe in October. I'll be gone for three weeks. So we're not going to just do replays for three weeks. We're going to have different people come on the radio. Charlie would probably be one of the guys coming in and and we'll figure it out, you know, Charlie and some other guys. And we'll figure it out. I want my wife to come on.

But, you know, she'd be terrified. Yeah, you keep saying that. So I kind of had two comments.

So one was from a caller last week. Well, we'll get to that shortly. But you had always commented that, you know, that the wicked are taken first. You know, the terrors.

Yeah. They return to Christ. But where where are the wicked taken? Well, there's discussions about this. And to be honest, I'm not exactly sure. Like, I will I will die on the hill of Jesus is both God and man.

But where are they taken now? OK, that's a tougher one. So the reason is, is because I'll give you an answer. But the reason is because there are different words used in association with hell, Gehenna, Hades, Sheol. Yeah. And they're kind of used interchangeably.

So basically, what I say is people who die now who are unbelievers, they go to a place of extreme discomfort, punishment, but they're not cast into eternal fire yet. That comes later. Hey, there's the music. Hold on, buddy. We'll be right back after these these messages. Please give me a call. 877-207-2276 be right back. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

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You can check them out, learn.karm.org. All right, let's get back to Martin. Martin, are you still there?

Yeah, I'm still there. Hey, before you go on, you said Sheol. Is it Sheol or Sheol? I say Sheol, Sheol, or Sheol, just depends, but Sheol, you know.

Yeah, OK. Yeah, I just want to make sure I was saying it right. You know, now what's interesting is that in Luke 16, 19 through 31, Lazarus and a rich man, they both died. And the rich man went to Hades and he was in flame. So it looks like this is the state of the unbeliever, that they go into a place of torment. And then at the last final judgment, they're cast to outer darkness in the lake of fire. And that's where they are for eternity. But when I say the wicked are taken first, that's at the return of Christ in relationship to what happens here on Earth. Right. Yeah, I was just curious about if you thought they went to hell or if that was hell after the last judgment, because, I mean, the final judgment I thought was for all souls.

Yes, it is. And then it's used to see the word hell is is kind of used interchangeably, and that's the issue. So that when we get more specific, the final judgment has not yet occurred. But people who die outside the faith of Christ are in a place of torment now, conscious torment. When you say outside the what of Christ?

The will and the work and the faith in Christ. Gotcha. OK, I mean, so there are there are souls that will be in hell as probably described or predicted from biblical writing. Absolutely. That's just people that aren't saved.

Yes. So the wicked descend alive into Sheol. That's number 1630, the cast of outer darkness weeping and gnashing of teeth. That's Matthew 8 12, cast into the fire, suffer consciously. That's Matthew 13, 41 through 42, cast into a tormenting fire roman. I was going to Revelation 14, nine to 11. The lake of fire is in Revelation 20, 10. And Jesus talks about the fiery hell in Matthew 5, 22.

And there's the unquenchable fire, which is Matthew 3 12. And it goes on. So, yeah, there's some tough stuff there. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

Thank you for that. Now, that second thing, you had a caller a few weeks back. It wasn't the last week. It was a while ago.

It was the giggler. And he tried to get you off track a little bit. And he asked you the question, if you ever saw a magic show that you didn't understand how the magic trick was done and you couldn't explain it. And he's trying to get you down this path.

And I'm like, oh, come on, Matt, you've got to hit him with. Well, there's a difference between magic and miracles. I mean, I like magic. I doubt it. I don't know. I mean, I've I like magic.

I dabble in a little bit. But I've never seen a magic trick that I could not find the answer for. There's there's always the answer for magic, but there's not always an answer for miracles.

There you go. Except to say that God did it and or a demonic force has done it. So but, you know, yeah, yeah, something otherworldly, something that, you know, scientists, you know, you know, science, they have empirical events and spirits, good or bad or beyond empirical events. Right.

Generally, yes, because they can't affect physical stuff, but they're too smart to be tied down by a scientific method. But yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right.

Yeah, that's right. All right, man. Thanks again. All right, man. God bless, buddy. Thanks. God bless. OK. All right. Hey, this is going to be different.

Let's get to this guy called Alberto from Georgia. Welcome, buddy. You're on the air. Yes. Yes.

Go to him in Mass Slick. I got a question. Why do the conservative news people never pulled up up front when things happen in the black community, when tragedy happens to them by these immigrants, when this poor black girl got jumped and beat up and came by the front of immigrants and beat her to beat her eyes so badly she could probably end up getting blind. Why do you hear about that? Like you do when the Caucasian people get when you're in the forefront all the time, though, what how do you hear about it if they don't talk about it?

But because that's some kind of video on YouTube, you may mention about it. And then so you don't hear about it, but I watch the news all the time. And I don't hear about that situation. So you hear a lot about the the we don't hear about the things like that will happen all the time.

And the forefront news every day, you don't hear about it. But they do with the Caucasian people up front on these all that they've been tasked by the immigrants and they don't do much things happen. Black women, why is that? Why Trump don't give us just don't give a good talk just to get both to the black community and to do what we do.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You have a question because you're kind of asking the question. Yeah, well, my question is, OK, so I got the question is, why? Why why does the conservative news on the whole bias? But I don't know how biased they are.

Everyone's biased. The left media is so biased, you can't trust them at all. But I can't answer for the news media. I don't know why I haven't studied them. I do know that they will bring more information out, generally speaking. But I can't answer you.

I don't know why they don't do more stuff like that. OK, well, I'm just curious. That's all I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm going against, you know, nobody and nothing just media itself. You don't want to cover certain people, but don't cover other people.

The Americans, too, you know, you know. Well, that's my whole point. OK, thank you. All right. All right. OK, you too. Bye bye. OK, bye.

All right. Hey, folks, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. Let's get to Ebeneezer from California. Ebeneezer, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt. Yeah, I would actually listen to your call with the guy about what what you think a hero was, and so it kind of triggered a question I had before in regards to, you know, I was in a study with some anabaptists. Well, it was over TikTok, but so it wasn't a study or say, well, they were having a study. And so they were talking about how hell was here before God's presence in an unglorified state. Well, I just wanted to ask, you know, what she made about that.

Well, I don't understand. They said hell is what? Hell is is like the person who is being damned before before God in an unglorified state.

I don't understand what that means in an unglorified state. I don't know what they mean by it, because glorification only really occurs to the believers, not the unbelievers. So when they say an unbeliever, an unglorified state in the presence of God, I'm not sure what they mean by that, because the soul can be separated from the body.

We know that from 2nd Corinthians 12 to two to four. So they're saying that hell is the presence of the soul in the presence of God. Or are they saying in the resurrected body or they talk, teaching, yes, or annihilation and where they were in the resurrected body. So they're saying that that when they have a resurrected body, but it's not a glorified body, but resurrected, which is going to happen to the unbelievers, that that hell is being in the presence of God that way. Well, well, for the dam, they're saying that hell is being before God for the dam people is being before God in an unglorified state. I don't know what they really meant. No, that's not what it is. That's that's not what it is. No, no, they look whenever they say something like this, just ask them, show me the scriptures for that, because hell is.

It's a place of fire and torment. And, you know, are you familiar with my website, karm.org? Yeah, yeah. No, I looked up on Anabaptist. The passage they gave me was how they were talking about it from home. When I make my bed in hell, you know, something like that.

Yeah, yeah. And you see, the problem here is that when people start making a doctrine like that, going to the Old Testament, that's a problem. And it's not to say that Old Testament is not true. But what David was talking about in the culture, in the context as he dies, he goes into the place of the grave because that phraseology is used of different people and that God is there with them. But in the New Testament, it's different.

It's more specific. And so when people, this is just a general rule, general, not always applicable, though, but it's general. When someone goes to the Old Testament to make a doctrine at the New Testament, it clarifies and they don't go to the New Testament. They stick with the Old Testament. Usually it's a bad doctrine, usually like the dead know nothing. So that means their soul sleep. But that's contradicting what the New Testament says or the idea what you said when David, you know, ate my bed in Sheol and you're there.

So and it's just, yeah, they they're amateur theologians, they're doing. Hold on, man. We got we got a break. OK. All right. All right.

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I got to reactivate Ebenezer. There we go. And let's get back on. Hey, buddy, you there? Yeah, I'm there.

What's your name? Also, yeah, so also I was also talking to some some Catholics on regards to. And so they they referred to the prophecy for Mary as, you know, the Ark of the Covenant. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so they said that, you know, the Bible prophesied about Mary way back in that passage, and so they alluded to that passage.

Like how you like how truthful I mean, I'm going to be truthful. Or is that is there any validity, some validity to that? All right, because I thought they were taking that way out of context. Yeah, it's one of the articles I want to work on.

And I started it someplace that's never released, had never finished it. But what they want to do is say that that which is in the ark, the word of God. So Mary had the word of God in her that they would bow before the ark, they bow before Mary, things like this.

And there's a whole bunch of stuff that they would they say. And so what they're doing is trying to exalt her to the place where they can basically have her as a functioning goddess. That's what they're doing. It's unfortunate, but that's what's happening. So there's validity in the sense that there is there is there are perceived correspondence but it's not valid when they call her the New Testament ark. And along with that, when they start exalting her, this is the problem with it.

There's a lot of problems with it. So maybe I'll unearth that article and see if I can find it. OK, get it going. OK, are you there?

Yeah, I'm here. OK, yeah. You said you were going to find an article? Yeah, I can't do it right now because I don't know. Oh, yeah, no. OK, yeah, no. And just just one more, just one more thing.

I'll follow that. Just one more thing. So also, like. I know worship and prayer aren't the same thing, aren't the same thing, but you because I also was talking to some Catholics about that in regards to what is it, what you call prayers to the saints. And for some odd reason, they always have this hatred for Don Calvin and Martin Luther. But so I'm like, why?

Because they hate the sovereignty of God, they want their own sovereignty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like I like I kind of well, not kind of figure that. But also, what is that?

I was just about to ask you. So, I mean, they say that prayer and worship are two different things. But in in in prayer, you have, you know, you have alleration, you have all those things, which is so similar to it's the same thing as worship. Like you could pretty much call it worship. Like, what would you think about that? Yes, they want to justify their idolatry.

And I'm going to be flat out straight. The Roman Catholic Church is not a true Christian church. It's apostate.

It's false. Teaches the false gospel, a false Mary, a false priesthood. So what they do is they've turned Mary into a functioning goddess. And I could talk about this quite a bit, but they teach that she can hear millions of prayers simultaneously, spoken and thought different languages and understand the intent of all the people's hearts. And she can answer them that this is a goddess. She's sinless. She's the one you have to go to to get to Jesus.

It's she's a functioning goddess in there. That's what I told him. That's what I told him.

Oh, yeah. And they'll deny it. And then what they'll do is they say, no, no, we don't worship her. We just pray to her.

We adore her. Say, OK, so then the practice of your prayer to her and your adoration to her is idolatry. Is exactly what idolatry is, exactly what you do. If you were to go to some country as a missionary and they had some pagan god that some village was working on or and believing in and they're praying to that image and they're believing that that image, that what it represents can answer their prayers. Is that a form of worship to that? Of course.

Of course, it is. And if it has all the attributes of Mary, what if they said this this village with this different god and can make it up? If I made up a way, I will get into it, but I made up a false god wants to illustrate a point and show people. But the thing is, if we were to find some tribe, some place that said that their goddess could hear millions of prayers simultaneously spoken and thought different languages, know the heart and answer them. And that she was without sin.

And we gave her the same attributes, most of them of of that's found in the Bible of God, what they attribute to Mary. We would say that's an idolatrous cult. But the Catholics, it's permissible and it's because they're brainwashed, absolutely brainwashed. The Catholic Church has deceived them. It is a church of deception and ungodliness. And and the thing is that they call it a Christian. It's not Christian. They they they go. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, because like every time every time I talk to them, like they they will all take. Oh, we are Christian.

We are Christian. No, no. And it's like, how? But anyway, let me let me let you go, man.

I'm I'm just want to figure out something. All right. Thank you. No problem. OK, sounds good. All right, buddy, God bless.

Let's get to Jamal from North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. I'm not. We're going to take my call again.

I'm done walking the dog, the neighbor's dog. So I can focus on this phone call now. I wanted to address. I appreciate it. I wanted to address respectfully Mr. Umberto's comments about conservative news. And hopefully I'm saying his name correctly.

If I'm not, I apologize. First and foremost, let me just lay this background. I'm a black guy, former Democrat, and I had to leave the Democratic Party because one of the reasons is they focus too much on race now. And one of the things is also before you know, sometimes you allow pop culture topics to be discussed. So that's another reason why I'm sure I'm addressing this. So when you have a Democratic Democratic Party, again, focus on the race too much and saying everything is racism.

It's a form of control. There's a way to bend the narrative, so to speak. And if everything's racist and nothing is. So what that means is if everything is racist, then it's it's it's a false flag.

It's a false narrative. Everything cannot be racist. This country is not racist. The Constitution is not racist.

The Bible is not hate speech and anything up to say that. And if a military Donald Trump and all conservatives like AOC says that all white guys are racist. CRT taught in schools is racist. It's a form of control.

Come on, people. I mean, you say all this stuff is racist. It doesn't make any logical sense. So one of the reasons why they say that is, again, for control, to control the narrative, to make people think that one side is evil and to come to the other side. But again, when you look at who's pushing that narrative, that everything is racist, it's a Democratic Party. So when they don't have anything to run on the economy, the border, or morality, and they definitely don't back Israel, but they definitely don't back the truth over Christianity.

I happen to read the book Word for Word and talk about Jesus as Lord and King. Some of them will have a problem with that. Not all of them, but some of them will. And just those points alone is one of the reasons why I cannot back the Democratic Party. So sorry about that. It's good for you. I just wanted to put it up for your audience there. Yeah, I appreciate it. And since you brought that up, I just released an article what political party would the Antichrist belong to?

And it's on term. And what I did was I went through and I looked at the references to the Antichrist. What are his positions? And according to Daniel 1137, he will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women. That means he's going to be homosexual. So therefore, he'll be pro LGBTQ. And his goings forth are in accordance with the activity of Satan at Second Thessalonians 2.9.

And Jesus says Satan was a murderer. Well, then he's going to be a murderer. He will be pro abortion. He will support one world government.

And he had to buy or sell without his approval, which means he'll force compliance with his policies. What party? Which party is this? OK, uses deception. And you're aware that the Democratic Party uses a great deal of deception and lies. It is so common among Democrats. They don't care about the truth.

And I'm not saying the Republicans are all that spotless, but I'm not a Republican either. Right. And here's I didn't put this in there, but I'm I could add it later and say that he would be for gun control because, oh, Jesus says in MacLennan 24, no, I love it 27. Oh, man, I got these verses in my head.

He's Jesus says, oh, twenty two thirty seven. He said, buy a sword. We have the right of self-defense, but you can't have that if he wants worldwide submission to him. And you can't have people self-armed. So it would the implication is he'd be anti self-defense and gun control.

He will also make war with the Christians and the principles of Christianity. Who's doing that? Well, we know. Amen. That's right. So which I think is a great question.

Which party would the Antichrist belong to? So, yeah, yeah. And not not to be the dead horse here. It's clear that a lot of people are deceived.

And I'll put it out there as well. When I talk to some some black folks who are Democrats, I used to be silent. But now I can't be silent because that's one of the reasons why Jesus takes after the one when the after the sorry.

How does it go? Jesus left the 99 to chase the one lost sheep. Right. And that's my thing.

I'm like, you know what? I don't want anybody to be to be lost. I'll just plant a seed and let Jesus take over it, because I don't want somebody following a false group. So when I hear people talking about how racist the Republican Party is, I'm like, OK, well, do you realize Martin Luther King was a Republican? And when Jesus said my brothers and my sisters, my brothers and my sisters are the people that fall after God. He didn't put race above anybody. He didn't put your group affiliation above anybody. He didn't put your also your political affiliation after anybody. So one of the reasons why I think somebody is asking why I lean conservative because conservatives lean more for Jesus.

And I go with anybody that goes with Jesus. Amen. Amen. That's right. Good for you.

We need to to focus on him. But there's a lot of deception in the world. And here's an example of something I go with quickly. My wife was at an anti-abortion rally 20 some odd years ago, whatever it was. And she actually got arrested.

Praise God. Oh, and everything she said was it was a vacation in jail with all the Christian women singing, praising, you know, praise songs. You met friends there. We still frankly, one of the friends we met there.

But anyway, here's the thing. She said they were sitting down politely, peacefully praying and singing. And the pro-aborts were yelling. They were vile. They were cussing. And finally, after two hours of this, a Christian just got mad and yelled back at him. The cameras showed that on the news that night Christians cause a problem. The hypocrisy. There you go. The lies of the left and they would support the anti-Christ. And I'm going to start saying that more and more Democratic Party. There you go.

Just get right in line with it, with the anti-Christ. OK, buddy, we got to go. There's the there's the music, OK? God bless, man. Thank you, sir. God bless. All right. Hey, and sorry, Julie. Hey, we'll be back Monday. God bless everybody. Have a great weekend. Another program powered by the Truth Network.