Matt Slick Live

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That'd be fun if anybody wants to do that. So anyway, and also on Fridays I often do hate mail and whacko mail, so we've got some of that. Not too much, we're getting a little bit low on some hate mail, but I think we can muster up some. And if you're a newbie, you're not sure what the show is about, I'm a Christian apologist, which means I defend the Christian faith, and I do debates and write books and do radio and stuff like that.

And Matt Slick is my real name, and it works out perfectly for radio, so we call it Matt Slick Live, and stuff like that. So hope you're going to be interested in what we had to say today. So, last night I was in a discussion on the net with, on Discord. It's an interesting situation, because I went into a room, and I was paged to go in, join a server, go in there, because the Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox are just going in there and just pillaging people theologically, trying to make them think that they are the way, the truth, and the life, and things like that. Joanne Hayes says, hey Matt, like the show, Joanne and my Matt. That's what you see right there, there's one right there.

If you want to email me, I can read it over the air, it'd be fun. So, I was in there, and I ended up leaving after a couple of hours, just going, okay, I'm done here. We'll see what happens, because one of the rules was you can't say that a religion is false. I'm going, what? Are you supposed to be a Christian server? And I said, but that's ridiculous. Islam is false. I'm not supposed to say that. Are you kidding me? So, I'm not, let me get this straight, I'm not supposed to say that Islam is not a Christian religion, and it's not a true religion?

Or Mormonism, I can't say what it really says, and say that people who believe it are lost? I'm not supposed to say that? And that was a general consensus, according to the rules.

I'll see you guys later. So, if they want to go in there and just have conversations where they can just pat each other on the back about everything, and ambivalence, and relativism, and all that, and they can do that. But maybe they're going to alter things, because they did want me in there.

They want to be in there. So, I can't play by those rules, though. I've got to be able to say, no, Mormonism is false. Islam is a false religion. Catholicism leads to damnation.

I need to be able to say those things. Now, they can say, well, you're wrong. Okay, well, I'm wrong.

Tell me how I'm wrong. Let's talk about it. But anyway, so that was it. So, if you are interested in participating in the chat room stuff that we do here during a radio show, all you have to do is go to rumble.com forward slash Matt Slick live, all one word, M-A-T-T-S-L-I-C-K live, L-I-V-E, all one word, and you can get in there to chat room.

And we have 29 in there right now, but it usually goes up to 60, 70, 80, 90. And then there are people on Facebook and Twitter and things like that who watch, and I don't know about all the messaging going back to whatever. But anyway, that's what we do. And so, you can join us if you want to do that. And if you actually have a theological question, Bible question, some other question, you can give me a call and we can talk, 877-207-2276. Okay, I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to get into radio questions, but I've got a radio question here, someone Scott sent in, and I'm not going to tell you what it is because it's a really good question and I have to look at it.

And it's out of a certain verse out of 2 Kings. So, I got that, I saw that, I'm like, wow, I've got to go check that out and do an in-depth examination. I haven't done it yet, so I can't comment, but there you go. So, let's see, let's see. Yeah, all these emails that come in. And here's the inbox there. So, let's see, here's a question.

Yeah, I get the question right now. I'm going to do hate mail instead. I like hate mail.

Let me see what this hate mail is. Yeah. Oh, that reminds me, someone else sent me a, said I needed to check out Catherine Crick. Catherine Crick. So, I'll be checking her out. The reason I'm reminded of her instantly is because of the question about Joyce Meyer. And as I've said before for the year, Joyce Meyer, she has taught heresies.

Don't know if she's repented or not from those heresies, but she's actually taught some serious heresy. And Catherine Crick, people are saying, you've got to watch her. She's whacked.

So, I like it. And I was telling somebody as I was looking, I was telling them that I feel like a cat behind a window when the outside is a bird. You know, those cats do that. They go like that.

They want to get to that bird, but they can't. That's how I am with heresy sometimes. I got to get it. And I got so much to do that, you know, I'd like to be able to just put caution tape, police tape, do not cross, you know, and just that appear in the office and the study for 12 hours, you know, about somebody like that.

To me, that's a good idea. That's a good time. For some other reason, people like doing things like, it's beyond me.

I'd like to sit in front of a TV and watch football. I'm like, what the, why? I don't get it. And they'll watch golf. Wow. And so, I can't fathom that one either.

And basketball, you know, basketball, they just run back and forth. There you go, you know, and people are like, wow, yeah, yeah. Like, okay, I'm going to go read the Bible. That's just me. I'm not saying I'm more spiritual or anything.

Anybody else feel like that? It just never connected with me. Just never did. And I do not know why I brought that up, but I did. My brain went someplace.

It looks like it went to a dead end. That's all right. So, hey, hold on. It cleared my throat.

All right. So I ended up on your website after a quick Google search on Joyce Meyer. I just, I saw click bait.

I've read this before, but I like it. Regarding the women my mother used to listen to, so I decided to do a quick search Joyce Meyer controversy. The article was ridiculous.

I love that stuff. The points made were so petty and the doctrine nitpicking is a big reason I never inherited the engulfing hold. Christianity has held over my mother. Well, you just don't know what the truth is about the issue of Christianity. So you're speaking out of, out of an area. You just don't know.

You don't know what the issues are. So I'm going to see why you see it. It's a waste of time on earth. So he just condemning all of Christianity. Now I know you have your faith and God bless you for it. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What? So, uh, he, he wants to reject Christianity, but he says, God bless you. You know, I remember, I remember, uh, I got an email once and, um, how did, and what entered like that?

And this, this email was full of just, just hatred. You know, you are the idiot. You're a moron. You couldn't argue over your weight of a wet paper bag.

I've seen glaciers, but think better than you. You know, it goes on here. Exegesis is horrible.

It says, God bless. Have a nice day. Like what? So it was, uh, it was me coming off guard. I was cracking up with that one. I said, you were doing so well.

And what happened? You know? So, uh, at any rate, um, he says, that's for me, I am more joyous than ever. I've left biblical thinking in the past where it belongs, I guess. Wow.

That leave biblical thinking away. Yeah. Like loving your neighbor, you know, being honest, being faithful to your, your wife, your husband, doing a good job at your, uh, good work.

These work at your job, not cheating anybody on anything, you know, helping the, the people who need help, you know? Yeah. I just leave all that stuff behind. Yeah.

What would you gonna put in place of it? You know, Oh man, let's see. And then I read your little spat about Wicca on your website.

I found it very uninformed to be honest. You deem it a form of satanic worship and it is, but uh, in fact it honors the earth, the skies, the moon, and the sun. It honors them. Okay.

Now let me, let me put this into practical language here. Let's see when I'm with this person and we're out in the wilderness in a forest and I'm going to ask this Wiccan, uh, a per a question. I'm going to say, see that tree over there?

Yes. Could you go honor it? I want to watch you honor it.

What do you do? Oh, and then there's all the, on the way there's a rock. Could you honor the rock please? Go ahead.

I'm going to watch you do that. You honor them. Look, if I honor, uh, you know, somebody for an accomplishment, I'm going to praise them. You know, you did a good job and blah, blah, blah.

And, uh, really think that you were quite capable, et cetera. What do you do? Talk to a rock. Okay.

Rock. You know what? I think you're awesome.

Yeah. I like the way the, uh, kind of the colors are there and uh, I like the fact that it's nice and hard and uh, I think you do a good job of stubbing people's toes when they, when they kick it. And, uh, also I saw a squirrel on it earlier, so that's good. Uh, I'm honoring you because you know, uh, it's a good rock. Okay. Now hold on to go over to the tree and you walk over the tree and uh, you go, Hey tree, I honor you.

Nice bark. Uh, what else? Uh, Oh yeah. Hey, you can't go anywhere even though you have, you can't leave. Uh, well, what would you be saying?

You know, I mean, how do you honor, honor objects like that? Oh, well, Hey, let's get to Jason from Salt Lake County. Jason, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, how you doing? Good. I just had a question or more of a clarification really about the imputation of Christ's righteousness that we receive because he lived a perfect life and the atonement, um, by his suffering and death on the cross. I guess I've always kind of been a little bit confused as to whether or not, um, I am righteous in Christ because he died for me or I'm righteous in Christ because the perfect life that he lived has been imputed to me.

It seems like if his perfect life has been imputed to me, he wouldn't need to die for me because when God, the father looks on me, he sees the righteousness of Christ. So I think there's just a little bit of a clarification there. Okay.

All right. So let's look at the Old Testament temple and the objects that were in the temple. They built the temple and, uh, but God's presence wasn't in it yet. And what they had to do in order to make it worthy of being indwelt by God is they offered an animal sacrifice and they took the blood and they went in and sprinkled it on varying objects and things like that.

And so then the shed blood made the temple capable of being developed by God. We'll get back to the break. We'll move this into what Christ did for us. Okay. So hold on, man. We got a break. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276.

And please just give me a call. There you go. All right. Let's get back to Jason. Hey Jason, are you still there? Yes.

All right. So I was just going to the Old Testament because that's a familiar actuality that God instituted. And so we are the ones who are now the temple of God, that he would dwell among us and within us. And so he does.

He lives in us. And Jesus is the high priest who offered a sacrifice on our behalf to God the father. And so we are now cleansed and God indwells us. So the blood of Christ, the sacrifice of Christ, removes our sin. It cleanses us. You with me?

Yes. Now Jesus lived under the law, Galatians 4-4, and he never sinned, 1 Peter 2-22. So we call that his active obedience. The sacrifice of Christ we call his passive obedience.

Passive is in that he just led to the cross. They took him there. They lifted him up on the cross.

They nailed him to it. And so that's the passive obedience. That's where our sin was imputed to him. The sin of the elect was imputed to Christ.

And so his blood shed cleanses us and makes us worthy, so to speak, by the cleansing of his blood to be indwelt by God. Okay, that's the active obedience. That's going to be the passive obedience. The active obedience is he kept that law. In Philippians 3-9, I'm going to read it to you.

It says this. I'll go back one verse. Go to verse 8. More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish, so that I may gain Christ, and may be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith. So we have a righteousness that comes from God that is granted to us. Most theologians, I agree, say that it's the righteousness of Christ, because he's God in flesh, that is imputed to us by faith.

That's called justification. Justification is the legal declaration of righteousness. And as Romans 4-3 says, Abraham believed God. It was credited to him as righteousness. And Romans 4-5 says, to the one who does not work but believes in him, who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness. So the righteousness that comes from Christ fulfilling the law is granted to us by faith. And that's his act of obedience to us, and his passive obedience is what cleanses us. So, long story short, the shed blood of Christ cleanses us and makes us indwellable by God, and upon faith, the righteousness of Christ is granted to us, and we're cleansed and clothed. We're stripped and clothed.

We're stripped from sin and clothed in righteousness, to put it bluntly and in a short way. Okay. Okay, thank you. That help? Yeah, I think so. I think I've always just kind of been a little bit confused about why, you know, if we have Christ's righteousness from his, as you called it, act of obedience, why the passive obedience needed to occur. But you're saying it's in the same vein as it were.

Yeah. Think of it as the blood of Christ wipes you clean, makes you naked. Everything's gone from you. The righteousness of Christ clothes you.

And this language is actually used in the Bible. We're clothed in righteousness. And so, just think of it that way. Two things have to happen.

You've got to be stripped away and redressed. Okay. Okay.

That's what happens. Thank you. All right, man. God bless. Okay. All right.

That was a good call. Let's get to Braden from Oklahoma. Hey, Braden, welcome. You're on the air. Awesome. Hey, Matt.

I just want to say thank you for taking the call. And this question, I don't want it to seem like I'm trying to debate, because I'm not trying to debate. I'm just trying to figure some stuff out with Scripture. So my question is in regard of Galatians chapter 6, starting in verse 7. And it says, Do not be deceived.

God is not mocked. For whoever one sows, that will he also reap. But the one who sows to his own flesh will reap, will from the flesh reap corruption. But the one who sows to the spirit will from the spirit reap eternal life. So from my just looking at this and my understanding, it's our obligation to sow to the spirit.

Because if we don't, we will reap, you know, corruption. And I think he's talking about eternal life there. And some translations say they're blasting.

Would he not be talking about hell? All right. So let's look at the context. Okay.

So one of the first things we always want to do. All right. Yes, sir. So we'll just go to Galatians 6.1.

We'll just start there. Brethren, if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in the spirit of gentleness, each one looking to yourself so that you too will not be tempted. He's talking about the brothers and sisters in Christ and about helping others and being careful.

Bear one another's burdens and thereby fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. But each one must examine his own work and then he'll have reason for boasting in regard to himself alone and not in regard to another. So right there, you know, the boasting is not about boasting before God. You know, if you're looking at your work, you can say, I've been doing this right and wrong.

Not that we're boasting, but so, you know, okay. And he says for each one will bear his own load. So what he's talking about here is that we have to watch out for one another, but you're responsible for your own actions, your own day, deeds and sayings, et cetera. And he goes on, the one who is taught the word is to share all good things with the one who teaches him. Do not be deceived.

God is not mocked. Whatever a man sows, this will also reap. So now what we see is the context is dealing with the people. He's already told you to know what you're doing, help others, but watch out, be careful. It's about what they do in relationship to others and just being watchful and stuff like that. And don't be deceived.

Okay. Wherever you sow, you're going to reap. So he's talking to both sides, those who are going to help and those who are going to be helped. For the one who sows to his flesh, from his flesh will reap corruption, but the one who sows to the spirit from the spirit will reap eternal life. All right now, we might be able to say that the corruption is damnation because of juxtaposition where the corruption results in death, eternal death. And if you sow to the flesh, in other words, you serve the sinful passions and desires, you're on your way to hell. But if you're sowing to the spirit, the Holy Spirit's work in you, you're on your way to heaven. He's not saying that these are the works that you do to get to those places. He's saying that at least the first one, there's a yes to it because everybody who doesn't go to heaven goes to hell because, well, they rejected Christ and their sin.

It's just an anchor that drags them down. But it's not so with the spirit because the spirit can only be in us if we're redeemed by faith. And if you as a Christian sow to the spirit, you're going to reap the things of eternal life that are good. And hold on, we've got to break, so hold on, okay? Okay. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, all you've got to do is dial 877-207-2276. All right, Braden, are you still there? Yes, sir. All right. I don't know if what I said helped.

Let me just see where you're at on that. Did it help any? Yes, it did help. So you're saying from what I got it from what you were saying was when it says that but the one who sows to the spirit will from the spirit reap eternal life. So you do agree that he's talking to born-again believers and that instead of this specifically talking about everlasting life in the context of salvation, it's talking about reaping things more so like the abundant life that a Christian would have if they were to abide in Jesus?

It's like that. Notice it says eternal life, but notice also it says reap to the spirit. That's not your own spirit.

That's the Holy Spirit. So how do you reap or how do you sow to the spirit? Sowing and reaping.

Notice the phraseology, and there's other phraseology that goes along like that in reaping and harvesting that Paul uses. So it looks like what's going on is that you're doing the things that are godly, and the result is eternal life. Not that you get it by your works, but this is what you sow to God. From God you're going to reap good, but it's not that it's a one-for-one earning because the Bible clearly says we're saved without any works and not by our works, but our works are important. Also Galatians is written to a bunch of people who are mixed up with unbelievers and false teachers and Judaizers. So what Paul's going to do is he's going to write generically to a lot of people, hey, you sow to the flesh, you're going to reap damnation and corruption. You sow to the spirit, you're going to be okay.

Well, is he saying you earn those? Where are you? How are you living? What is your goal?

There's a consequence to the goal of what you're saying. This is what's going on. Awesome. Well, I really appreciate that.

That definitely helps bring up the context a little better than I was writing it out. So I really appreciate it. Okay, sure. Okay.

Sounds good. All right, buddy. God bless.

God bless you. Thank you. All right.

Well, we have nobody waiting. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. All right.

I think I'm going to get back to some hate mail. So back to this Wicca thing. Wicca is interesting because they teach honoring creation.

There's different kinds of Wicca. They'll go out into the wilderness, into a forest, and they get into a circle. They dance.

They have a fire. They do things. They pray to Mother Earth. They can kind of invent their own gods that they're going to follow, decide which one they're going to follow.

It is so self-serving. I've talked to Wiccans before and I said, okay, well, let me ask you. Are the gods that you believe in, are they actually real? Sometimes I'll say, yes. Sometimes I'll say, well, no, not really.

I just serve them, which makes no sense whatsoever, but yet a lot of them will do that. It's whacked. Anyway, he goes on. He goes on. He says, I think Bill Mayer said it perfectly. Christians find themselves superior to others because they have a book that says a man named Jesus was put on the earth to die for his sins.

See, when someone says something like that, I'd love it to debate Bill Mayer and have that be a thing we can work on. Oh, we have a book. It's just a book.

That's all it is. A book just said it, so therefore it's true. That's why we're better than everybody else. That's a misrepresentation of what the Bible is teaching. People will often boil something down to such a degree that they miss what the actual teaching is and they don't care to be corrected.

They don't care to grow. That's the case there. Just because I have a book, some guy named Jesus, right? It's not like that. It's the prophecies of the Old Testament that mathematically, it's impossible that Jesus had fulfilled them. He walked on water. He did a lot of miraculous things in front of eyewitnesses and they wrote this down.

This is what we have in that. It's not just some book. When they percolate everything down to one little sentence, it's a misrepresentation. It's gross.

It's a gross misrepresentation. When he asked the Christian woman, he said, no, I don't find myself superior. I see myself as being full and trying to help the hungry. His response is, I'm not hungry. See, this is a stupid stuff. You're not hungry.

Well, okay. You're not hungry. Are you helping others who are not hungry? Are you helping people who are hungry? Are you helping anybody else? Mr. Mayor, what are you doing? You get on here on the news or whatever you want to give your opinions. Okay. Well, how are you helping people?

It's just these, these arrogant self-righteous morons. All right. Let's get to Bruce from Syracuse.

Bruce, welcome. You are out. I mean, how are you doing there? I'm doing all right.

How are you doing today, Matt? Doing all right. Good. I don't have my Bible in front of me, so I don't know the exact verses. You'll do better than me.

Okay. So I know that we are strictly saved by grace and that God sanctifies us and he asks us to do good works. He expects that from us, but that's not how we earn our salvation or maintain it. But when you get in Revelations, when Jesus talked, I think it was the Ephesians, and he says, unless you go back to doing the things you were doing at the start, then you're lukewarm and I'm going to spit you out. And that almost makes it sound to me like you're saying, you'll have no part of me. You will not be saved. And I don't know if I'm under, I'm not sure how to understand that. Yes. It says to the angel of Laodicea, Revelation 3, and I've been to Laodicea, by the way. Okay.

Just brag a little bit. The Amen, the faithful true witness, the beginning of the creation of God says this, I know your deeds that you're neither hot nor cold. I wish that you were hot or cold because you're lukewarm and either hot or cold.

I'll spit you out of my mouth. So in the area there is, uh, they had streams that were hot and stuff that were cold. We went, well, we're in Turkey. It did, you know, years ago we went to these Springs and some are hot, some are cold is really interesting. So what do you do when something is just kind of lukewarm? It's neither hot nor cold. And you used cold water for one thing. You used hot water for another, but this lukewarm stuff, no one really wanted it.

And the idea was it wasn't usable. So he's just saying, I'll spit you out. And that's all that's going on there. Okay. Just spit you out. Yeah.

He tells him to go back to doing what they were in the beginning. Yep. That's right. Now you understand it's a church. Now in that church, and when I talk about Laodicea, I can actually remember walking down the main road of the ruins of Laodicea and seeing, uh, how it was twisted by the earthquakes and land formation over the centuries and going over to big room and looking down into it and all this stuff and then houses of people. And there were lots of foundations of houses that were about 20 by 20, a lot of them about that size.

Okay. And we could see all this stuff. The point is that there's a lot of people there back in that day, it was a lot of people, hundreds and hundreds, maybe thousands. So in this mixture of people who, where there was a lot of commerce, there would be also a lot of sin. The church that was filled with the Christians there would also be in the midst of unbelief in Laodicea. So the pressures of the unbelievers could creep in to the good people, let's just say. And the church there could become weak. The church could become a little compromising.

You're neither hot or cold. I'm going to spit you out as a church, as a blessing. Now notice what it says in verse 14, to the angel of the church, write this. Well, the, there, it looks like what's going on is that there are angelic, well, angels, I'll just put it this way, angels that are given dominion or charge over certain churches and geographical location, because Laodicea is a location like Ephesus is, Ephesus 2. In fact, we went to all seven churches of revelation and there will be angels of each one.

So why is, this is a question I have, I'm not sure what to say about it. It's to the angel of the church to write this, amen and faithful and know your deeds. Well, what? It's to the angel, the deeds? But it looks like what's going on is that the angel is the representative of that church. And so it's being written to the Laodicean church and you need to come back. You need to repent. You need to become zealous. You need to do the things that are right as a proper group of real believers are supposed to do. He's warning them. You need to do that.

Okay? And that's all that's going on. Right, and it sounds like the consequence though, when he says, I will spit you out, that sounds like, that sounds like they would be losing their place with God. They would be losing their salvation when he says that. I don't know how else to interpret that. Oh, well, it doesn't say to lose your salvation, but if you spit them out, they're not God. It would mean that those who were bad will be manifested, but those who are good are going to be eternally saved.

He's talking generically to the Laodicean church, which is a mixture of both. Get it together, he's saying. Hey, hold on.

We've got a break, okay? Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. You want to give me a call?

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Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. All right, let's get back on the air with Bruce. Bruce, are you still there? Yes, sir. All right, now, there's a little bit more to talk about in here, in the text, because you're talking about Revelation 3.16.

It'll spit you out. And then look at verse 17. Because you say, I am rich and have become wealthy and have need of nothing, and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked. Can we ask you, does that sound like a bunch of saved people? Well, it doesn't sound like it, but we've both seen people that have got to a point where they compromise so much that you just can't even see the difference. Yes, and the Bible says in 1 John 2. I would say, no, I would say that he's probably talking to people that aren't saved. Yeah, that's what he's doing. But it sounds like they're already in his position, in his possession, because he should go back to what you were doing in the beginning, or I will spit you out.

So in other words, they're already in his possession, or else he wouldn't be able to spit them out. Okay, well, let's think, okay, a church, let's just say there's 500 people in this church in Laodicea. Let's just say it. It's going to be mixed with all kinds of people, saved and unsaved, people of different degrees of knowledge. There could be people who are attending and professing to be Christian when they're not really. All kinds of variables could be there. And so the overall action and health of that church is being compromised. So you could say there are real believers in there and there are false believers in there, and they're mixed up.

How do you write a letter to distinguish? It's a tough one. So he goes on and he says, you know, the church as a whole, he's not saying each individual, but the church as a whole, you need to do this. You know, you have need of nothing. You don't know that you're measurable and poor, blinded and naked. Well, does that mean that the people who are true believers in that bad church are blind and naked and wretched and miserable? Well, of course not. So it can't be that he's talking about every individual here.

It's a generic address. He just says, I advise to you that you buy from me gold and refine by fire so that you may become rich. What? So wait, he's not saying, do you buy salvation here, is he?

No, he's just saying he's got a whole lot to offer this world doesn't have. Right. That's right. And white garments.

Yes, and spiritual blessings. Right. If you clothe your sanctification.

Right. You have white garments. You may clothe yourself that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed and I salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. So this is highly symbolic, very symbolic.

As if you were in Leo, Dostoevna and I could just sit there. I mean, I could go back to the place of my memory and be sitting in one of like this area that we had to walk up the stairs and go to this thing. I could see the letter being read to a bunch of people right there. For those who are trusting in Christ completely, they're not going to be affected the same way as those who are being bad and doing stuff.

Then you realize, oh my goodness, I better shape up. This kind of letter address is generically to a group of people in which are good and bad, saved, not saved. And it's aimed at getting their act together at different levels at the same time. Okay. Okay.

Because. Well, that gives me some things to chew on. Go ahead.

Yeah. And see, the Bible says we can't lose our salvation. Jesus says in John 10, 27, 28, my sheep hear my voice. I give eternal life to them and they shall never perish. John 3, 16, you know, God said, I love the world that gave his only begotten son.

Whoever would believe would have everlasting life and never perish. So Jesus equates every sort of life with never perishing. That's how he does the will of the fathers at Jesus lose none. John 6, 38, 39. That's the will of the father that Jesus lose none.

Jesus can't fail to do the will of the father. And there's all kinds of stuff like this, but what we see are things like, Hey, you better run the race, right? You better watch out here. You better make sure of this.

You better make sure of that because that's what you would do. If you're talking to a bunch of people mixed up with believers and unbelievers and you want them to act right. But what Paul could have done or John in this case could have done is named individuals at Laodicea. But why would he do that?

Because if it's going to be inspired to the church, well then it only applies to that individual and it wouldn't make sense. So it's got to be a generic kind of a thing and that's what's going on. Okay. Okay. All right.

Well, it gives me plenty to chew on that. All right. I appreciate all your time, buddy. All right. But let me tell you, you can't lose your salvation. All right.

You can't. Because for one thing, Jesus canceled the sin dead at the cross, Colossians 2 14. Did he cancel all of their sin? Only parts of it.

Can someone go into Christ and be saved without all their sin having been canceled, all their future sins? Well, of course not. This is how I've always believed. I read things like this and it confuses me. Okay.

That's all right. And then you have the clear verses you need to hold up high and the not so clear like this, you don't use them to interpret the clear verses. There's a general principle of biblical interpretation. You use the clear verses to interpret the not so clear.

And, you know, I just say it, Revelation is a symbolic book and Revelation 3 is full of symbolism, hot water, cold water. You're rich. You say you've been wealthy, you're miserable and poor. You're blind. You want white garments.

Buy from me gold. You know, all these are symbols that mean stuff. And we know that we can't lose our salvation.

So what's going on here? He's addressing the church as a whole and trying to shake it up, get it together, act right. And it would even apply to those who are truly saved who might have one foot in the world.

Get it together, folks. Yeah, they would be compromised. If you had too many unbelievers in a church, everyone starts to get compromised to an extent it seems like.

Yes. And if that was the case, if people were seeing miraculous things happen in a Laodicean church, unbelievers are going to flock in there and it's like leaven. It's going to leaven everything. So the whole church could become compromised. In fact, you know, think about it, for example, Joel Osteen's church full of leaven, full of compromise. And it doesn't mean that every individual there is not saved or everyone is saved.

If we're to write a letter of correction, let's say you and I are going to write a letter, you know, the letter from Bruce and Matt to the church in Houston, you know, and we wrote, you have a big church, you're very successful, everything's going great, but you know what? You're selling false garments. You're selling false garments and people think that they are clothed in righteousness when they are not.

We all will spit you out. Oh, so we can see how that works. It doesn't mean every individual in there is like that, but it's a generic statement of the whole. Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That seems to make a little bit of sense. All right, Matt, I'm going to let you go and thank you so much for your time, brother. Appreciate it. Okay. No problem at all, Bruce. God bless, man. All right.

Keep it up. Bye. Okay. So as you may know, there are seven churches and one of them is Smyrna, right?

The seven churches of Revelation. I believe that's, uh, so, uh, let me check something out here. Uh, because I get a little story. Okay. Excuse me. All right. There we go. So, uh, which one was it? It was Smyrna. I do believe it was years ago.

This is kind of funny. Uh, there was in Turkey cause all the seven churches are in the state of the country of Turkey. And so, uh, years ago I went to there and saw Ephesus and, uh, you know, it, Ephesus is just, it's amazing and it's amazing.

Let me just see. It's amazing too. But, um, some of the places are just a small little thing, you know, 50 feet by 50 feet. There's a, uh, it's just an ancient kind of an arch, that kind of stuff is there. But anyway, it doesn't matter. So in Smyrna, there's a town there, and I think it was Smyrna. I believe it was.

It doesn't really matter. So I got this email from somebody from Turkey and it was English and they said, uh, in English they said, look, we took your, your article, whatever it was, I forgot which, and they translated it into Turkish and they read it in the church at Smyrna. And it was just awesome because I started thinking, Hey, the letter of slick to the church of Smyrna. And I got a kick out of that because, uh, you know, I'm smiling when I say it, but it was really nice to hear that. Um, and I got a nice joke. All right. All right.

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And don't forget, uh, don't forget that, uh, see Donitis says, say my name, Matt. Oh, let's see. Did I, uh, did I get to the other emails that people may have sent in?

Uh, just so I could say, say their names or stuff like that. Oh, wow. Hey, that's a good, good hate mail. I'm going to put that in there. Uh, love the show from Steven. Don says, I like the show. And, uh, Jeff says, uh, you're a boisterous blowhard by Boone.

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